The situation is this. Your father's lineage determined what tribe you were a member of. This was important in distribution of land and inheritance, ect. It is a woman who determines someone's jewishness because it is her soul that is shared with the unborn while it is in the womb. A non jewish woman has a non jewish soul, and shares that soul with her unborn child. A jewish woman shares her jewish soul with HER unborn child. Make sense?
@ZanyProductionz it went beyond just "tribe". The Torah (and the whole Bible - did you even see the whole video here??) indicates that NATIONALITIES IN GENERAL...not just Israelite, but any nationality, was determined basically by the father. That's kind of obvious. So of course apostate and corrupt Jews LATER ON botched that up. Being in darkness, since they rejected Christ. Leviticus, Numbers, Chronicles. Ruth was a Gentile. Her children were ISRAELITES. Beyond just "tribe".
im too tired to make a lengthy explanation as to why you are wrong. my mother is jewish, therefore i am jewish. maybe it wasnt like that before, but the rabbis of old decided that it should be passed through the mother. being a jew isnt what flows through my blood, but what flows through my mind and my life. Ruth was a convert. you are either a troll, or very misguided.
@dagrandmarquee "too tired to make a lengthy explanation" you say? But apparently not too tired to make the moronic one you did. But at least even you admitted that "maybe it wasn't like that before", but said "but the rabbis of old decided that it should be passed through the mother." Did you even see the WHOLE video here? IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT APOSTATE RABBIS DECIDED TO CHANGE THE BIBLICAL DRIFT AND TEACHING AND POINT. The FATHER passes down the seed. Also Ruth was still a Moabite RACIALLY.
@sweetmikser no i dodnt sit through your 15 minutes of bullshit. you are arguing semantics here, bigh fucking whoop im not racially jewish because my father wasnt. im still a practicing jew, i was circumcised, dipped in a mikvah, and ive had my bar mitzvah and confirmation. so fuck your shit.
@dagrandmarquee listen...you foul-mouthed moron. No need to curse like a low-class psycho idiot. Also, if you didn't watch all of the video, then you should not be commenting the dopey crap that you are. You didn't see all the facts and points. Why is it "BS"? Because it goes against the un-Biblical junk that you want to believe? Again, if your FATHER is "Jewish", then you are...BIBLICALLY. period. The Talmud is just a work of imperfect and apostate men. NOT from God. Now, you're finished here
You understand perfectly without even needing to site facts and passages. th father determines what tribe one was a member of for property and inheritance purposes. Women share their souls with their unborn children while they are in the womb. When you are born, your own sould enters your body. So, before birth, a non jewish women shares a non jewish soul with her baby, and a jewish woman shares her jewish soul with her baby. It is not what flows through your blood. You are correct!
@ZanyProductionz (2nd) the junk you're barfing up about "Jewish soul with mother" is NON-BIBLICAL NON-SCRIPTURAL NON-TORAH human philosophy and invention. That has nothing to do with anything scientific or Biblical. The LIFE-SEED (the sperm) is passed down by the father. So the "soul" (or "life) is given by the father. You fail again. (As all apostate Jews today do.) The Torah was given to COVENANT JEWS. But you broke the Covenant, and are wandering in darkness.
I could not agree more. It amazes me how the Jews say they follow the Torah which clearly states: God said to Abraham...you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants throughout their generations; and this is the covenant that you must keep: You must circumcise every male...this shall be the sign of the covenant between me and you.
Throughout all generations, every male shall be circumcised when he is eight days old...this shall be...an eternal covenant. The uncircumcised male whose foreskin has not been circumcised, shall have his soul cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant. (Genesis 17:9-14). No covenant no club membership.
Is it any wonder it says in Rev 3:9 Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie -I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you. The Torah wasnt good enough so they had to create the Talmud!
@ghbdirect exactly, after they rejected Christ, they were cast off, and just wander in darkness and confusion. Twisting things around, making up things, teaching the opposite of what is clearly indicated, and lying about what's actually there. The Talmud is un-inspired work of apostate men. Even if it does have some good things in it. The Torah is infallible, and indicates paternal lineage IN EVERY INSTANCE. The father determines lineage, descent, and nationality. Never the mother.
@sweetmikser And when did they stop being called Hebrew? Lets see,
Ashkenazic Jews - Hebrew word "Ashkenaz," which is used to refer to Germany
Sephardic Jews -Sepharad," which refers to Spain. Most of the early Jewish settlers of North America were Sephardic. The first Jewish congregation in North America, Shearith Israel, founded in New York in 1684, was Sephardic. Philadelphia's first Jewish congregation, Congregation Mikveh Israel, founded in 1740, also Sephardic and is also still active.
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie -I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you. Getting hot in here!
@sweetmikser “If you were Abraham’s children, then you would do what Abraham did. But you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.You are doing the works of your own father. We are not illegitimate children they said. The only Father we have is God himself. Jesus said If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. Why is my language not clear to you
@sweetmikser You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? Whoever belongs to God hears what God says.
@ZanyProductionz (3rd) again, Ruth was a GENTILE...her children were ISRAELITES. Beyond just "tribe". As I said, nationalities in GENERAL (not just Israelite) were determined basically by the father. It's all men passing down the seed and the lineage...never the mother. Gee, I wonder why. And it's way beyond just "tribe". Also, why shouldn't the mother determine "tribe" too? If the mother determines "Jewishness"?? LOL....FAIL. No, the father determined nationality in general.
This guy is unfortunately very misguided, but it doesn't matter because the Torah was given to the Jewish people, and it's ok that he doesn't understand what it contains.
We must honor our parents ..including father Adam. You are correct about fathers & genealogy but not about preacher/teacher Jesus. He never taught worship of himself. He followed Torah including the first commandment. In agreement to your main point > Jewesses are forbidden to marry the other nations but men are not.
On the other hand mitochondrial DNA is passed down through the MATERNAL line...it all just goes to show what a crock of old nonsense ALL religious arguments are.
you're a drone. The life-seed biologically is passed down by the FATHER. The fact that someone is male or female is determined by the FATHER...never by the mother. (the sperm does that, not the egg). Also...you're just plain wrong when you say that mtDNA is passed down only by the mother, as you obviously have taken the Kool-Aid too much on that, and all the literature out there, and did not see my OTHER video, on MTDNA, and "PCR"...and that more sensitive testings have proven
@freeman8128 2nd) Also...you're just plain wrong when you say that mtDNA is passed down only by the mother, as you obviously have taken the Kool-Aid too much on that, and all the literature out there, and did not see my OTHER video...on MTDNA, and "PCR"...and that more sensitive testings have proven that the father's mtDNA is passed down too, but that the new data have generally been ignored.
@sweetmikser Oy veh! what an excited reaction from one simple aside. - You are obviously a religious crank to whom all this matters a great deal. It is sad that people like you (religious zealots of all creeds & persuasions) cannot pursue your obsessions without becoming offensive to anyone who may not entirely share them.
I know who (& whose) I am whether it comes from my mother or my father - so why don't you just get get a life, or go tell it to someone who gives a damn: I don't.
@freeman8128 nice dodge to the point about PCR and studies showing that male mtDNA swaps information with the mother's. All you did was whine and crow about supposedly "religious crankery", and barfed up ad homs, like a rude troll-tard. You said something incorrect, I simply pointed it out. Also that there's a video going into SPECIFICS...and the four (wrong) assumptions of Darwinist idiots on mtDNA. Also, if you didn't "give a damn", then why did you comment here at all in the first place? lol
@freeman8128 Assumptions and flaws of Neanderthal mtDNA interpretation:
1. That mtDNA is passed only by the mother. (Evidence from PCR showed it's also passed down by the father.) FAIL.
2. That mtDNA mutatIons are regular and serve as a molecular "clock." (It's been admitted that this "clock" may be off by 20-fold.) FAIL
3. That mtDNA can be used to determine human and primate relationships. (Admitted that it can't be told whether clock says Neanderthals & humans were "separate species.") FAIL
On the other hand mitochondrial DNA is passed down through the MATERNAL line...it all just goes to show what a crock of old nonsense ALL religious claims & arguments are.
@phineasbrobdignag no, your comment was nonsense. Because it's wrong and misses the point. Number one....there IS a "Jewish race" in a sense, in that there IS a "Jewish" ethnicity. And it's inconsistent to say different. "Jewish" is NOT JUST a "religion". Because what do we call all those non-religious or atheist Jews? They have no religion, but they're still Jews. Why? BECAUSE "JEW" IS A RACE OR ETHNICITY...in that sense. Also, is it "sexism" to stupidly say the WOMAN determines it?
@phineasbrobdignag no, your comment was nonsense. Because it's wrong and misses the point. Number one...there IS a "Jewish race" in a sense, in that there IS a "Jewish" ethnicity. And it's inconsistent to say different. "Jewish" is NOT JUST a "religion". Because what do we call all those non-religious or atheist Jews? They have no religion, but they're still Jews. Why? BECAUSE "JEW" IS A RACE OR ETHNICITY...in that sense. Also, is it "sexism" to stupidly say the WOMAN determines it?
@sweetmikser Brilliant! A Jewish ethnicity is the same thing as a Jewish race--just as there is a German ethnicity, that means there is a German race? Or a Canadian? It is primitive sexism to claim EITHER parent alone determines ethnicity--if my Gr. Grandfather is Jewish and my grandmother is jewish and her son is not Jewish and his wife, my mother, is Chinese, does that make me Chinese?Another culture drew these distinctions, that one could be tainted by 1/2 or 1/4 or 1/8th Jesish blood...
@Atalatl my point was simply that "Jewish" is NOT JUST a "religion" only. But also an ethnicity. (And used the term "race" loosely...and broadly...so don't throw a fit.) Because what do we call all those non-religious or atheist Jews? They have no religion, but they're still Jews. Why? BECAUSE "JEW" IS A RACE OR ETHNICITY...in that sense. Also, is it "sexism" to stupidly say the WOMAN determines it? Also, did you see the whole video all the way through? Or at least most of it? I doubt it.
@sweetmikser So nobody may become a jew by conversion, like Sammy Davis Jr.---oops, he did didn't he? Maybe he wasn't a "real" jew...just as the Copts can't be "real" christians because they are ethnically semitic. Of course that would mean that palestinians couldn't really be moslems because they are semitic, and caucasian moslems can't be "real" moslems because they are not semitic---> BILGE !!!
@phineasbrobdignag it's amazing how you JUST DON'T GET what I'm talking about. I'm referring to ETHNIC Judaism...NOT "religious" conversion or religious "Judaism". But strictly ETHNIC BLOOD NATIONALITY ETC... What part of that is too tough to understand or appreciate or grasp????? I'm NOT ONLY even referring to being Jewish either (ethnically). But ANY nationality (or race). Like if your father is Irish but your mother is Polish....YOU'RE IRISH!!!! According to the Bible etc
@phineasbrobdignag it's amazing how you JUST DON'T GET what I'm talking about. I'm referring to ETHNIC Judaism...NOT "religious" conversion or religious "Judaism". But strictly ETHNIC BLOOD NATIONALITY ETC... What part of that is too tough to understand or appreciate or grasp????? I'm NOT ONLY even referring to being Jewish either (ethnically). But ANY nationality (or race). Like if your father is Irish but your mother is Polish....YOU'RE IRISH!!!! According to the Bible etc
@phineasbrobdignag it's amazing how you JUST DON'T GET what I'm talking about. I'm referring to ETHNIC Judaism...NOT "religious" conversion or religious "Judaism". But strictly ETHNIC BLOOD NATIONALITY ETC... What part of that is too tough to understand or appreciate or grasp????? I'm NOT ONLY even referring to being Jewish either (ethnically). But ANY nationality (or race). Like if your father is Irish but your mother is Polish....YOU'RE IRISH!!!! According to the Bible etc
@phineasbrobdignag it's amazing how you JUST DON'T GET what I'm talking about. I'm referring to ETHNIC Judaism...NOT "religious" conversion or religious "Judaism". But strictly ETHNIC BLOOD NATIONALITY ETC... What part of that is too tough to understand or appreciate or grasp????? I'm NOT ONLY even referring to being Jewish either (ethnically). But ANY nationality (or race). Like if your father is Irish but your mother is Polish....YOU'RE IRISH!!!! According to the Bible etc
@sweetmikser According to the bible, it is OK to sell your daughter, own slaves and beat them, and prevent people with wounded gentalia from attending church...
@phineasbrobdignag It's not just Bible but BIOLOGY, with fathers etc. You're getting blocked now, because you're an insufferable idiot, who dodges the original points, doesn't admit you're wrong, then jumps into something else, with half-baked nonsense. OK, doofus, the NEW COVENANT does NOT say "prevent people with wounded genitalia from attending church". And the "selling of daughter" in OT was in the context of bond-debt, not willy nilly things. Also, women were given in marriage, get over it.
@sweetmikser Brilliant! A Jewish ethnicity is the same thing as a Jewish race--just as there is a German ethnicity, that means there is a German race? Or a Canadian? It is primitive sexism to claim EITHER parent alone determines ethnicity--if my Gr. Grandfather is Jewish and my grandmother is jewish and her son is not Jewish and his wife, my mother, is Chinese, does that make me Chinese?Another culture drew these distinctions, that one could be 'tainted' by 1/2 or 1/4 or 1/8th Jewish blood...
@AGUIABDON If Esther's children were chilren of a Persian man then no, her children were NOT RACIALLY "Jewish"...though they would have been of the Jewish RELIGIOUS FAITH. But that's different. That's not exactly the same thing. Esther's children (by a non-Jewish father) were not racially Jewish. They would have been Persian kids...who adhered to the God of the Jews. That was it. In the Bible, and in life, you are whatever your FATHER is...racially and ethnically. Religion is something else.
@sweetmikser I am descendant from sephardi jews since when my old relative came from Portugual to escape from catholics´s persecution in the 18th century he was obligated to change his surname, he married a brazilian woman and the jewsh tradiction was forgoten his sons married brazilian ones as well so I am not even a jew descendant by blood? am I a goy?
@AGUIABDON what do you mean? I just told you that if your father (and forefathers) were "Jews", then YOU are a Jew. Racially..... It doesn't matter what your mother or greate grand mothers were. The FATHERS determine it.
Respond to this video... and what you talk about is something not done G-d has NO wife. the Fact is Y'shua was born from Mary , Not sinless Mary No such thing Y'shua WAS Born to her.No matter how you look at it. (Asherah is a NO NO)
yes Jews ARE Caucasians..look it up,yes we are an ETHNIC people (mostly? we are related.)And for thousands of years Jewish woman lit shabbat candles.. WHY? Because G-d gave us a redeaming role to bring in the Messiah ( THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD)And HE was born to MARY NO two ways around it.Or are you saying Y'shua is NOT a Jew?
@Ahveddo are Jews from Japheth? Or from Shem? "Caucasian" (YOU look it up) are NOT from Shem. Also, the "Woman" in Genesis 3:15 is NOT "Mary". That's a Roman Catholic error and heresy. Are you a pagan Roman Catholic? The "woman" in Genesis is GOD'S SYMBOLIC "WIFE", Israel or Heavenly Jerusalem, His Divine Congregation or Arrangement "Zion." That's said in Isaiah etc, and in common sense. Also, Mary was a sinner. Jesus was sinless. Because GOD was Jesus' FATHER.
Ok ..lets see now i have re-listened.#1 Jews are NOT a race.We are caucasion.Is NO race Jew. Jews look at other Jews as..FAMILY.And now for the seed of woman.Take away decent by woman,THE SEED of the Woman brought Y'shua.Are you willing to say this?HE is Not from the Seed of the Woman? (i do understand what you see but your forgetting some things,and i believe in both male&female decent...and i am a Jew. Shabbat Shalom :) laila tov!
@Ahveddo Ok, number one...Jews are NOT "Caucasian". Jews are Middle Eastern and kin to Arabs...from SHEM. The "Caucasians" came from JAPHETH. Jews did not come from "Japheth". So real Jews are NOT "Caucasians". And yes, they are an ethnic race in a sense. Ok, now for the "Seed of the Woman". Ayayaya. That was NOT a human woman!!! That was referring to God's symbolic "woman" HEAVENLY ZION...His Divine Organization. God's symbolic "wife". NOT "Mary". But the Father produced that Messianic Seed.
No Sarah was Not a Jew ,but she IS Jacobs grandmother...and He is Judahs father.Its true Sarah IS the beginning.That does not mean ALL Jews must come from a female..Its just our beginning in the line of this one woman Sarah.(I can only say this because Abraham had 2 sons.One free - one bond.Jews are free.Thru the matriarch SARAH Came the line of Jews.OR Thru BOTH Hagar and Sarah would have to be the same... FACT- they are not.(besides this mother decent is because of many rapes during diaspora)
@Ahveddo again, I ask, did you see the WHOLE video? I mention the Jewish "insecurity" during the diaspora, and human rationalization. But not based on the Biblical God or Biblical Teaching. Did you see that part of the video?
Well aren't you rude.. 95% ..really?You from Hagar? Because then would you be a Jew? (NO). I too believe a child born from a Jewish man is a Jew.No matter what the mother.But your the rudest person I have written to.Angry rude.And the HARD Fact is? Sarah started the Line...SARAH is the line of Jewish (you can not deny it... its FACT)
well that was interesting Sweet..but then add this into it.. Sarah was a free woman,Hagar a bond woman.Abraham fathers both.. but the FREE womans child becomes the Jewish people.It was the mother,not the father (Gen 14:13 And there came one that had escaped and told Abram the Hebrew.) We are Really talking about Hebrew people.Not Jews. So? yes Woman(Sarah's) linage is really the first line. Woman have the claim as The FIRST lineage. (uh huh.. a jewess here and proud her G-d and Messiah.<3
@Ahveddo did you see the whole video? All of it through? Everything you just wrote in your comment here is like 95% NONSENSE. It doesn't matter which woman was "free", as to the obvious paternal lineage in the Scriptures that obviously determines who is a "Jew", "Israelite" (or even a "Hebrew"). It says "Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob"...NOT "Sarah, Rebekkah, and Rachel". Also, you dodge the point and question of why you see in 1 Chronicles Jewish father and Gentile woman, and the child STILL JEWISH.
For all those who really care: Lineage of the tribes is dependent upon the father, therefore the father is mentioned. (Important for such things as inheritance, priesthood, etc.)
Whether someone is Jewish is dependent on the mother.
Of course if you want to completely disregard what I have to say about it (the Talmud has to say about it) feel free to do so.
@IshYehudi613 frankly, that sounds idiotic. It's having it both ways. "Lineage of tribes" dependent on the father, but "being Jewish" on the mother. FAIL. That's NOT what the Bible actually says. The infallible and INSPIRED Scriptures. The Talmud, on the other hand, though I know has some good things in it, is just an UN-inspired work of MEN. And is NOT infallible at all. But has much nonsense in it TOO. Again, Ruth was a Gentile, but her children were considered racially Jewish. Saw whole vid?
Sorry, I removed the comment before I realized you commented...at this point I really had only read your description anyway. (No, still have not seen the entire vid. I skimmed because of your request)
Whether you like it or not, that is exactly how Judaism works. Jewishness is through the mother, inheritance through the father.
Ruth was a convert: her children are racially Jewish. Same with all the women you mentioned. Say what you will about the Talmud but fact ain't rhetoric
@IshYehudi613 you need to see the WHOLE video, all the way through. Because I address this "Ruth converted" cop-out. No kidding she converted. But that's RELIGIOUS conversion. She still remained MOABITE RACIALLY. But her children were considered FULLY RACIALLY JEWISH. Even though, ooops, the mother was Gentile. See the whole video, before you assume I know nothing of the Talmud. I mention Mishnah Kiddushin 3:12, that REVERSES the true Torah and Biblical attitude.
I don't think you get the whole Jewish idea (yes I saw you claim the converted "cop-out").
...In short, Judaism isn't a nationality versus religion. They are one and the same. So a convert is Ethnically Jewish.
You're knowledge of the Talmud is from other sources. Yes you are lacking in your knowledge until you see and understand it inside for yourself. (I.E. until you can read the Talmud...you understand Aramaic and Hebrew?)
@IshYehudi613 I don' t have all thirteen volumes of the tedious Talmud in my house. But I have Jewish summations of it, etc. BY JEWS THEMSELVES WHO BELIEVE IT. So what? Again though, it's inconsistent to say that Ruth was "ethnically Jewish" when she wasn't. As that is NOT the position today with Jews. If a Croatian woman who converted to Judaism married a Jewish man, what would the child be considered racially today by Jews? Idiotically NOT racially Jewish. But in Scripture the child WAS!
"If a Croatian woman who converted to Judaism married a Jewish man, what would the child be considered racially today by Jews? Idiotically NOT racially Jewish."
No...If she had an Orthodox conversion she would be considered Jewish by everyone and so would the child.
Yes, there are converts to Judaism nowadays as well and the children are considered Jewish. I know a few personally.
@IshYehudi613 the problem you miss is that in Leviticus 24 that son of an Egyptian father but Israelite woman WAS NOT NOT NOT considered racially Jewish, but just "in the community". Which is why Scripture-twisting Scripture-ignoring Jews today see that same passage in Leviticus 24 and HALLUCINATE things that are not really there. That guy was considered an ALIEN RESIDENT...NOT a racial "Jew". Because his FATHER was Egyptian, therefore he was racially Egyptian. And an "alien resident". (vs 16)
I saw you wrote that too. He was Jewish, but because he was of an Egyptian father he had no tribe to claim as his own, thus he decided to curse g-d and was subsequently killed...
Look...It's past my bedtime already and I gotta get some sleep...
Good night. Nice talking with you. I am ending the conversation but I recommend that you do some more research into the matter if you really want to understand the matter at hand.
@IshYehudi613 what you wrote is simply NOT TRUE. It's like you're being intentionally dishonest, or just forgetting. Jews TODAY do NOT consider a person who has a Jewish father but a Croatian mother "racially Jewish". But in the BIBLE....(regardless of conversion or this or that) if a person had a Jewish father but a Moabite mother....THE CHILD WAS RACIALLY JEWISH...PERIOD. That's NOT how it's considered (racially) today, by "Orthodox Jews". RACIALLY...not. So stop lying.
Did the mother convert to Orthodox Judaism? If yes, then she's Racially Jewish and so is every child she has after her conversion. If not: neither she or the child is Jewish, racially or otherwise.
@IshYehudi613 ? come on. There's no way a person can be "racially" anything simply by making a religious conversion, that she can theoretically change at any time, and then maybe become an atheist, if she wanted to. If she renounced modern Judaism, but was still married to a racially Jewish man, would she still be "racially Jewish"?? Also, again, what you just said is just NOT BIBLICAL. Nor logical. The guy in Leviticus 24 was called an "alien resident", just like a full-blooded Egyptian.
To answer your questions I'm going to need to pose a few to you first:
What is a "racial Jew"?
What do you know about Orthodox Jewish conversion?
You keep going to the Bible which, as an Orthodox Jew, I view it as only Half of the god given law. (A written law and a law that goes by word of mouth): Tell me, what are the laws concerning the Sabbath that when broken a person gets the death penalty? What are the laws with regards to killing an animal in Bible "as I have commanded you"
@IshYehudi613 well that is the problem. Modern "Jews" go really mainly by the man-made un-insipred fallible and apostate TALMUD... And not really so much by the Holy Scriptures. The Bible indicates paternal lineage, in every single instance. The seed is passed down by the father, not the mother. By the way, are you a Hasid? Or some other kind of "Orthodox" Jew?
@IshYehudi613 you didn't answer mine first. I asked if you what if that woman renounced her Judaism conversion and became an atheist? And her child was 2 years old...maybe. But the father is still (obviously) racially Jewish. What does modern Talmudic Judaism consider things to be now???? You see the confusing mess? But in the Holy Bible, YOU ARE WHATEVER YOUR FATHER IS, RACIALLY AND ETHNICALLY, PERIOD. Also, you're not Hasidic, so what are you?
@IshYehudi613 OK, do you agree that God Almighty and Sovereign of the Universe, Hashem, Adonai, El-Shaddai, Yehowah is of the highest intelligence? If so then do you think it's possible for him to write something which contradicts what he has said or had written down in the past pertaining to the same context? Is there such a thing as two opposing truths concerning the same point? If this is a point which isn't brought up at shul then please can you ask it on our behalf for our benefit?
1.) I was sure you WERE a member of intelligent creation.
2.) So why would you agree with both the Tanakh and writings which contradict it?
3.) Actually this was the same as point 2 put in different words.
4.) Which country are you from? My American family call it Temple but my Austrian family used to call it shul because shul is the Yiddish word for school (similar to the German, 'Schule') and so I'm glad you study in the Yeshiva. I studied in Beth Drasha.
1.) Yes. Although Torah means Law, Neviim means Prophets and Ketuvim means writings and so it is more than just the first 5 books. Anyway, the point is that you DID know what the Tanakh was. So, how come you don't understand the question? You must see that there is a difference between the Tanakh and the Talmud.
@IshYehudi613 I see. You understand what I mean but don't understand why I was asking. One of the problems we face when having to type. So much can be lost (even if there is no translation required!) So, this is why I have sent you a message to your youtube inbox about some of the basic differences between the Tanakh and the Talmud.
@IshYehudi613 I'm not sure, but I think GP meant why would you believe the TALMUD which "contradicts" the Holy Tanakh. Because IT DOES... How can you say you believe both, when there are some pointed-out contradictions (like with this Talmudic "mother clause" un-Biblical nonsense.) That's the point here (and in the video).
@IshYehudi613 OK, ManJew613laws. I hope that you will enjoy living in Israel. Have you ever been? If you have a family are they happy to move with you?
@IshYehudi613 I wasn't always a Jehovah's Witness. However, Jehovah's Witnesses also teach this so I was eventually going to learn it anyway. It also surprised me when I was speaking to my Jewish family because they really believe that the Tanakh is only the Torah. It reminds me that I still haven't sent them the simple Email to clear this point up. They also told me that as far as they know there is no concept of Heaven in Judaism. What do you think?
@GypsyPianist the "Tanhakh" is the Torah, Nevi'im, and Kethuvim. Which means "Law, Prophets, and Writings". In fact the very word "TaNaKh" has the three letters "T..N..K" that stand for "Torah, Nevi'im, and Kethuvim". IT'S THE WHOLE HEBREW BIBLE. All 39 inspired Books of Hebrew Scripture canon. NOT just the first five books of Moses, which is not even the "Torah" but rather the "Pentateuch". Ish should know this. Anyway, the whole Bible indicates MALE lineage. With the Messiah too especially.
@sweetmikser Insight Vol.2 Page 439: Moses was the writer of the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Bible, namely, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. His writership has been acknowledged by the Jews throughout their history, this section of the Bible being known by them as the Torah, or Law.
@GypsyPianist yes, that's true. In that general sense. But what's interesting is that technically the "Law" is not the whole 5 books. Meaning, you don't find the "law" yet in the Book of Genesis at all. And first half of the Book of Exodus. The "Law of Moses" is CONTAINED within the first books (actually from Exodus to Deuteronomy), but it's not the entire 5 books. Minor point in a way, but technically you don't find the "Law of Moses" yet in the Book of Genesis. So I call it the Pentateuch.
@GypsyPianist no, in Genesis 17 was NOT the "Law" Covenant. That was the Abrahamic covenant and something else. In Genesis 9 was not a "Law" covenant either. There technically was no "Law" issued yet until Moses. That's correct. That's both the Watchtower position as well as the Apostle Paul's. In Romans 5:13,14 you read: "For until the Law, sin was in the world...but sin is not charged where there is NO LAW. But death ruled from Adam down to MOSES." Moses was the starting point, it says.
Yes, I know and your findings are faith strengthening. Technically, there have always been laws since Adam and Eve were told not to eat the fruit. The laws which the Jews of today still follow are included in Genesis. For example, circumcision. So, whatever the the pattern of healthful words are, we are not talking about strict Biblical adherence when it comes to Judaism as we have seen from the other discussion which is going on here. Well done for supporting the FDS so boldly!
@GypsyPianist by the way, lol, another thing that supports MALE lineage and importance. Is in that very Verse I quoted. Romans 5 verses 13,14. It says ADAM down to MOSES. If the "mother" determined the essential nature of a person, then why didn't it say "From EVE down to ZIPPORAH"? ("Zipporah" being Moses' wife...) You notice that sin, death, and the "sin nature" came from ONE MAN...Adam. We did not get our sin nature from Eve at all. But only from Adam. Hence why the need for the MAN Jesus.
@sweetmikser Good thought. It makes me think that those who believe it is only the mother line have the same attitude that Eve had when she put herself as spokeswoman ahead of Adam.
@GypsyPianist yes, also it's a Roman Catholic invention and heresy too. Remember, they hold "Mary" to be very prominent, and in some sense even over Jesus. That Mary was the "Second Eve". And that Mary was sinless too, in order for Jesus to be sinless. But the Protestant and JW position is that Mary didn't have to be sinless for Jesus to be perfect and sinless. Because the sinless nature comes from the FATHER, and Jesus' Father was GOD HIMSELF. Mary is never called in the Bible "Second Eve."
@GypsyPianist thanks...I try hard to be logical, scientific, and Scriptural...in all these analyses. And where the facts or weight of evidence leads. No matter how hard or sensitive or even nasty they may or may not be. Political correctness is NOT the truth. The harsh and hard truth is always the truth. (In whatever realm.) People tend to believe what they WANT to believe, whether the actual and thorough facts support it or not. Human nature. But we got to try hard to stick to brutal facts.
@GypsyPianist by the way, I noticed last week that on the video page, that you said to "IshYehudi613" that you were writing him private messages, etc. To get better into some matters. Just curious how that went.
@IshYehudi613 ok, what I "want" from you is to answer this critical point. Why is it (analyzing it carefully) in the Chronicles, you NEVER SEE...NOT ONCE...a situation, in the lineages, a racially Gentile father, and a racially Israelite mother, and where the offspring are considered Israelites in the lineages. EVER. Not once. BUT you DO see in Chronicles, some examples where the father is Jewish (of course), but the mother is NOT Jewish. And the kids were STILL RACIALLY JEWS IN THE LINEAGE.
@IshYehudi613 you're dodging. Which is no real surprise. Because you have no real answer for it. No reasonable or logical or Biblical answer at all. Just made-up junk of "tribe from father, Jewishness from mother". Again, though, the question is why don't you see NOT EVEN ONE CASE in Chronicles of the husband being a Gentile and the mother being Jewish, and the kids in the lineage are considered Israelites. But that you DO find sometimes the wife being Gentile in Chronicles, with no problem.
I'm not sure I was clear in the way I addressed the Egyptian question... Yes he was Jewish, but because he had an Egyptian father he had no community of his own and he wished to live with his mother's tribe (Hence..."in the community"...I'm not sure of the exact words) They didn't want him because he wasn't of their tribe, he got angry etc.
See the irony: Moses was not Jewish, but he who received God's laws should govern the Jewish people...
Jews today can not meet all laws of the Torah, because it really is impossible! Jesus is not only true Jew, but also the only one who could comply with all laws. Still, he humbled himself and died for our sins. That's wonderful!
can you please add me as a friend i would like ask a few questions and could you tell me where you downloaded these videos and evolution ones or did you buy them?
Paul chose Timothy as a traveling companion and, to avoid giving Jews an occasion for stumbling, circumcised him.—Ac 16:3. If Timothy with a Jewish mother but Gentile father was considered Jewish then surely he would have been baptised before Paul acted as a moyel. The tradition is that you are circumsised on your 8th day of life after being born.
Thanks for putting the rest up! I watch it after work. Also, I agree with the things you wrote. It sounds to me like you're more precise than others and I really admire that! Now, I didn't mean that the woman was Eve. She wrongly wanted to covet the position of head of the family. I just thought there might be 'woman' principle that some might pick on. Well I can't wait to show my family this video. You got this from part of the literature or is this your own research? Very well done!
@GypsyPianist well, yeah, the point is that even though God's "Wife" (His Heavenly Zion Organization) gave symbolic birth to the Messianic "Seed" (which Seed is Christ AND His anointed followers, His "Body"...Galatians), the FATHER of that "Seed" is Jehovah God Almighty Himself. God the Father. So there still is a FATHER principle...involved and that can never be avoided. God is the Father of Jesus, in all ways. Before and after Jesus became a perfect man. God is the "Life-giver" of the "Seed".
Yerushalayem shel zahav! What a wonderful mix! OK, this is a prob. I've had for my whole life. My only question is does Gen. 3:15 change any part of this concept concerning the woman's seed? Are you Jewish (ethnically)?
@GypsyPianist thank you... As for Genesis 3:15...it's unbelievable how people (both Roman Catholics and certain Jews) have gotten that so wrong. The "woman" referred to there IS NOT AN INDIVIDUAL HUMAN WOMAN. (sighs...) That was referring to GOD'S ORGANIZATION "ZION". Either Heavenly Zion or Earthly Zion, which in Scripture is referred to as "God's Woman". His Divine Organization, Congregation, and "Wife". Of divine Angels and divine Arrangement. THAT is what produced the Messianic "Seed".
The situation is this. Your father's lineage determined what tribe you were a member of. This was important in distribution of land and inheritance, ect. It is a woman who determines someone's jewishness because it is her soul that is shared with the unborn while it is in the womb. A non jewish woman has a non jewish soul, and shares that soul with her unborn child. A jewish woman shares her jewish soul with HER unborn child. Make sense?
ZanyProductionz 3 weeks ago
@ZanyProductionz it went beyond just "tribe". The Torah (and the whole Bible - did you even see the whole video here??) indicates that NATIONALITIES IN GENERAL...not just Israelite, but any nationality, was determined basically by the father. That's kind of obvious. So of course apostate and corrupt Jews LATER ON botched that up. Being in darkness, since they rejected Christ. Leviticus, Numbers, Chronicles. Ruth was a Gentile. Her children were ISRAELITES. Beyond just "tribe".
sweetmikser 3 weeks ago
im too tired to make a lengthy explanation as to why you are wrong. my mother is jewish, therefore i am jewish. maybe it wasnt like that before, but the rabbis of old decided that it should be passed through the mother. being a jew isnt what flows through my blood, but what flows through my mind and my life. Ruth was a convert. you are either a troll, or very misguided.
dagrandmarquee 4 months ago
@dagrandmarquee "too tired to make a lengthy explanation" you say? But apparently not too tired to make the moronic one you did. But at least even you admitted that "maybe it wasn't like that before", but said "but the rabbis of old decided that it should be passed through the mother." Did you even see the WHOLE video here? IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT APOSTATE RABBIS DECIDED TO CHANGE THE BIBLICAL DRIFT AND TEACHING AND POINT. The FATHER passes down the seed. Also Ruth was still a Moabite RACIALLY.
sweetmikser 4 months ago
@sweetmikser no i dodnt sit through your 15 minutes of bullshit. you are arguing semantics here, bigh fucking whoop im not racially jewish because my father wasnt. im still a practicing jew, i was circumcised, dipped in a mikvah, and ive had my bar mitzvah and confirmation. so fuck your shit.
dagrandmarquee 3 months ago
@dagrandmarquee listen...you foul-mouthed moron. No need to curse like a low-class psycho idiot. Also, if you didn't watch all of the video, then you should not be commenting the dopey crap that you are. You didn't see all the facts and points. Why is it "BS"? Because it goes against the un-Biblical junk that you want to believe? Again, if your FATHER is "Jewish", then you are...BIBLICALLY. period. The Talmud is just a work of imperfect and apostate men. NOT from God. Now, you're finished here
sweetmikser 3 months ago
You understand perfectly without even needing to site facts and passages. th father determines what tribe one was a member of for property and inheritance purposes. Women share their souls with their unborn children while they are in the womb. When you are born, your own sould enters your body. So, before birth, a non jewish women shares a non jewish soul with her baby, and a jewish woman shares her jewish soul with her baby. It is not what flows through your blood. You are correct!
ZanyProductionz 3 weeks ago
@ZanyProductionz (2nd) the junk you're barfing up about "Jewish soul with mother" is NON-BIBLICAL NON-SCRIPTURAL NON-TORAH human philosophy and invention. That has nothing to do with anything scientific or Biblical. The LIFE-SEED (the sperm) is passed down by the father. So the "soul" (or "life) is given by the father. You fail again. (As all apostate Jews today do.) The Torah was given to COVENANT JEWS. But you broke the Covenant, and are wandering in darkness.
sweetmikser 3 weeks ago
@sweetmikser
I could not agree more. It amazes me how the Jews say they follow the Torah which clearly states: God said to Abraham...you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants throughout their generations; and this is the covenant that you must keep: You must circumcise every male...this shall be the sign of the covenant between me and you.
ghbdirect 4 days ago
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Throughout all generations, every male shall be circumcised when he is eight days old...this shall be...an eternal covenant. The uncircumcised male whose foreskin has not been circumcised, shall have his soul cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant. (Genesis 17:9-14). No covenant no club membership.
ghbdirect 4 days ago
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Is it any wonder it says in Rev 3:9 Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie -I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you. The Torah wasnt good enough so they had to create the Talmud!
ghbdirect 4 days ago
@ghbdirect exactly, after they rejected Christ, they were cast off, and just wander in darkness and confusion. Twisting things around, making up things, teaching the opposite of what is clearly indicated, and lying about what's actually there. The Talmud is un-inspired work of apostate men. Even if it does have some good things in it. The Torah is infallible, and indicates paternal lineage IN EVERY INSTANCE. The father determines lineage, descent, and nationality. Never the mother.
sweetmikser 4 days ago
@sweetmikser And when did they stop being called Hebrew? Lets see,
Ashkenazic Jews - Hebrew word "Ashkenaz," which is used to refer to Germany
Sephardic Jews -Sepharad," which refers to Spain. Most of the early Jewish settlers of North America were Sephardic. The first Jewish congregation in North America, Shearith Israel, founded in New York in 1684, was Sephardic. Philadelphia's first Jewish congregation, Congregation Mikveh Israel, founded in 1740, also Sephardic and is also still active.
ghbdirect 4 days ago
@sweetmikser I am just finding it interesting that these so called Jews are mostly of european decendants! You?
ghbdirect 4 days ago
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Rev 3:9 Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie -I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you. Getting hot in here!
ghbdirect 4 days ago
@sweetmikser “If you were Abraham’s children, then you would do what Abraham did. But you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.You are doing the works of your own father. We are not illegitimate children they said. The only Father we have is God himself. Jesus said If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. Why is my language not clear to you
ghbdirect 4 days ago
@sweetmikser You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? Whoever belongs to God hears what God says.
ghbdirect 4 days ago
@ZanyProductionz (3rd) again, Ruth was a GENTILE...her children were ISRAELITES. Beyond just "tribe". As I said, nationalities in GENERAL (not just Israelite) were determined basically by the father. It's all men passing down the seed and the lineage...never the mother. Gee, I wonder why. And it's way beyond just "tribe". Also, why shouldn't the mother determine "tribe" too? If the mother determines "Jewishness"?? LOL....FAIL. No, the father determined nationality in general.
sweetmikser 3 weeks ago
This guy is unfortunately very misguided, but it doesn't matter because the Torah was given to the Jewish people, and it's ok that he doesn't understand what it contains.
ZanyProductionz 3 weeks ago
We must honor our parents ..including father Adam. You are correct about fathers & genealogy but not about preacher/teacher Jesus. He never taught worship of himself. He followed Torah including the first commandment. In agreement to your main point > Jewesses are forbidden to marry the other nations but men are not.
elishebabb 4 months ago
freeman8128 said:
On the other hand mitochondrial DNA is passed down through the MATERNAL line...it all just goes to show what a crock of old nonsense ALL religious arguments are.
sweetmikser 4 months ago
@freeman8128 (1st)
you're a drone. The life-seed biologically is passed down by the FATHER. The fact that someone is male or female is determined by the FATHER...never by the mother. (the sperm does that, not the egg). Also...you're just plain wrong when you say that mtDNA is passed down only by the mother, as you obviously have taken the Kool-Aid too much on that, and all the literature out there, and did not see my OTHER video, on MTDNA, and "PCR"...and that more sensitive testings have proven
sweetmikser 4 months ago
@freeman8128 2nd) Also...you're just plain wrong when you say that mtDNA is passed down only by the mother, as you obviously have taken the Kool-Aid too much on that, and all the literature out there, and did not see my OTHER video...on MTDNA, and "PCR"...and that more sensitive testings have proven that the father's mtDNA is passed down too, but that the new data have generally been ignored.
sweetmikser 4 months ago
@sweetmikser Oy veh! what an excited reaction from one simple aside. - You are obviously a religious crank to whom all this matters a great deal. It is sad that people like you (religious zealots of all creeds & persuasions) cannot pursue your obsessions without becoming offensive to anyone who may not entirely share them.
I know who (& whose) I am whether it comes from my mother or my father - so why don't you just get get a life, or go tell it to someone who gives a damn: I don't.
freeman8128 4 months ago
@freeman8128 nice dodge to the point about PCR and studies showing that male mtDNA swaps information with the mother's. All you did was whine and crow about supposedly "religious crankery", and barfed up ad homs, like a rude troll-tard. You said something incorrect, I simply pointed it out. Also that there's a video going into SPECIFICS...and the four (wrong) assumptions of Darwinist idiots on mtDNA. Also, if you didn't "give a damn", then why did you comment here at all in the first place? lol
sweetmikser 4 months ago
@freeman8128 Assumptions and flaws of Neanderthal mtDNA interpretation:
1. That mtDNA is passed only by the mother. (Evidence from PCR showed it's also passed down by the father.) FAIL.
2. That mtDNA mutatIons are regular and serve as a molecular "clock." (It's been admitted that this "clock" may be off by 20-fold.) FAIL
3. That mtDNA can be used to determine human and primate relationships. (Admitted that it can't be told whether clock says Neanderthals & humans were "separate species.") FAIL
sweetmikser 4 months ago
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On the other hand mitochondrial DNA is passed down through the MATERNAL line...it all just goes to show what a crock of old nonsense ALL religious claims & arguments are.
freeman8128 4 months ago
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freeman8128 4 months ago
Since there is no Jewish race, this entire video is nonsense. It is a good illustration of primitive sexism, however.
phineasbrobdignag 5 months ago
@phineasbrobdignag no, your comment was nonsense. Because it's wrong and misses the point. Number one....there IS a "Jewish race" in a sense, in that there IS a "Jewish" ethnicity. And it's inconsistent to say different. "Jewish" is NOT JUST a "religion". Because what do we call all those non-religious or atheist Jews? They have no religion, but they're still Jews. Why? BECAUSE "JEW" IS A RACE OR ETHNICITY...in that sense. Also, is it "sexism" to stupidly say the WOMAN determines it?
sweetmikser 5 months ago
@phineasbrobdignag no, your comment was nonsense. Because it's wrong and misses the point. Number one...there IS a "Jewish race" in a sense, in that there IS a "Jewish" ethnicity. And it's inconsistent to say different. "Jewish" is NOT JUST a "religion". Because what do we call all those non-religious or atheist Jews? They have no religion, but they're still Jews. Why? BECAUSE "JEW" IS A RACE OR ETHNICITY...in that sense. Also, is it "sexism" to stupidly say the WOMAN determines it?
sweetmikser 5 months ago
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Atalatl 5 months ago
@sweetmikser Brilliant! A Jewish ethnicity is the same thing as a Jewish race--just as there is a German ethnicity, that means there is a German race? Or a Canadian? It is primitive sexism to claim EITHER parent alone determines ethnicity--if my Gr. Grandfather is Jewish and my grandmother is jewish and her son is not Jewish and his wife, my mother, is Chinese, does that make me Chinese?Another culture drew these distinctions, that one could be tainted by 1/2 or 1/4 or 1/8th Jesish blood...
Atalatl 5 months ago
@Atalatl my point was simply that "Jewish" is NOT JUST a "religion" only. But also an ethnicity. (And used the term "race" loosely...and broadly...so don't throw a fit.) Because what do we call all those non-religious or atheist Jews? They have no religion, but they're still Jews. Why? BECAUSE "JEW" IS A RACE OR ETHNICITY...in that sense. Also, is it "sexism" to stupidly say the WOMAN determines it? Also, did you see the whole video all the way through? Or at least most of it? I doubt it.
sweetmikser 5 months ago
@sweetmikser So nobody may become a jew by conversion, like Sammy Davis Jr.---oops, he did didn't he? Maybe he wasn't a "real" jew...just as the Copts can't be "real" christians because they are ethnically semitic. Of course that would mean that palestinians couldn't really be moslems because they are semitic, and caucasian moslems can't be "real" moslems because they are not semitic---> BILGE !!!
phineasbrobdignag 5 months ago
@phineasbrobdignag it's amazing how you JUST DON'T GET what I'm talking about. I'm referring to ETHNIC Judaism...NOT "religious" conversion or religious "Judaism". But strictly ETHNIC BLOOD NATIONALITY ETC... What part of that is too tough to understand or appreciate or grasp????? I'm NOT ONLY even referring to being Jewish either (ethnically). But ANY nationality (or race). Like if your father is Irish but your mother is Polish....YOU'RE IRISH!!!! According to the Bible etc
sweetmikser 5 months ago
@phineasbrobdignag it's amazing how you JUST DON'T GET what I'm talking about. I'm referring to ETHNIC Judaism...NOT "religious" conversion or religious "Judaism". But strictly ETHNIC BLOOD NATIONALITY ETC... What part of that is too tough to understand or appreciate or grasp????? I'm NOT ONLY even referring to being Jewish either (ethnically). But ANY nationality (or race). Like if your father is Irish but your mother is Polish....YOU'RE IRISH!!!! According to the Bible etc
sweetmikser 5 months ago
@phineasbrobdignag it's amazing how you JUST DON'T GET what I'm talking about. I'm referring to ETHNIC Judaism...NOT "religious" conversion or religious "Judaism". But strictly ETHNIC BLOOD NATIONALITY ETC... What part of that is too tough to understand or appreciate or grasp????? I'm NOT ONLY even referring to being Jewish either (ethnically). But ANY nationality (or race). Like if your father is Irish but your mother is Polish....YOU'RE IRISH!!!! According to the Bible etc
sweetmikser 5 months ago
@phineasbrobdignag it's amazing how you JUST DON'T GET what I'm talking about. I'm referring to ETHNIC Judaism...NOT "religious" conversion or religious "Judaism". But strictly ETHNIC BLOOD NATIONALITY ETC... What part of that is too tough to understand or appreciate or grasp????? I'm NOT ONLY even referring to being Jewish either (ethnically). But ANY nationality (or race). Like if your father is Irish but your mother is Polish....YOU'RE IRISH!!!! According to the Bible etc
sweetmikser 5 months ago
@sweetmikser According to the bible, it is OK to sell your daughter, own slaves and beat them, and prevent people with wounded gentalia from attending church...
phineasbrobdignag 5 months ago
@phineasbrobdignag It's not just Bible but BIOLOGY, with fathers etc. You're getting blocked now, because you're an insufferable idiot, who dodges the original points, doesn't admit you're wrong, then jumps into something else, with half-baked nonsense. OK, doofus, the NEW COVENANT does NOT say "prevent people with wounded genitalia from attending church". And the "selling of daughter" in OT was in the context of bond-debt, not willy nilly things. Also, women were given in marriage, get over it.
sweetmikser 5 months ago
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Atalatl 5 months ago
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@sweetmikser Brilliant! A Jewish ethnicity is the same thing as a Jewish race--just as there is a German ethnicity, that means there is a German race? Or a Canadian? It is primitive sexism to claim EITHER parent alone determines ethnicity--if my Gr. Grandfather is Jewish and my grandmother is jewish and her son is not Jewish and his wife, my mother, is Chinese, does that make me Chinese?Another culture drew these distinctions, that one could be 'tainted' by 1/2 or 1/4 or 1/8th Jewish blood...
Atalatl 5 months ago
So the sons of Esther were not jews?
AGUIABDON 6 months ago
@AGUIABDON If Esther's children were chilren of a Persian man then no, her children were NOT RACIALLY "Jewish"...though they would have been of the Jewish RELIGIOUS FAITH. But that's different. That's not exactly the same thing. Esther's children (by a non-Jewish father) were not racially Jewish. They would have been Persian kids...who adhered to the God of the Jews. That was it. In the Bible, and in life, you are whatever your FATHER is...racially and ethnically. Religion is something else.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@sweetmikser I am descendant from sephardi jews since when my old relative came from Portugual to escape from catholics´s persecution in the 18th century he was obligated to change his surname, he married a brazilian woman and the jewsh tradiction was forgoten his sons married brazilian ones as well so I am not even a jew descendant by blood? am I a goy?
AGUIABDON 6 months ago
@AGUIABDON what do you mean? I just told you that if your father (and forefathers) were "Jews", then YOU are a Jew. Racially..... It doesn't matter what your mother or greate grand mothers were. The FATHERS determine it.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@sweetmikser oh okay then,others jews told me differents ways however thank you!
AGUIABDON 6 months ago
Respond to this video... also u lose debate on the fact you invoke Asherah. :) Shalom
Ahveddo 6 months ago
@Ahveddo I invoked "Asherah"? How so? Are you hallucinating again? What are you talking about?
sweetmikser 6 months ago
Respond to this video... and what you talk about is something not done G-d has NO wife. the Fact is Y'shua was born from Mary , Not sinless Mary No such thing Y'shua WAS Born to her.No matter how you look at it. (Asherah is a NO NO)
Ahveddo 6 months ago
@sweetmikser do i sound catholic?
Ahveddo 6 months ago
yes Jews ARE Caucasians..look it up,yes we are an ETHNIC people (mostly? we are related.)And for thousands of years Jewish woman lit shabbat candles.. WHY? Because G-d gave us a redeaming role to bring in the Messiah ( THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD)And HE was born to MARY NO two ways around it.Or are you saying Y'shua is NOT a Jew?
Ahveddo 6 months ago
@Ahveddo are Jews from Japheth? Or from Shem? "Caucasian" (YOU look it up) are NOT from Shem. Also, the "Woman" in Genesis 3:15 is NOT "Mary". That's a Roman Catholic error and heresy. Are you a pagan Roman Catholic? The "woman" in Genesis is GOD'S SYMBOLIC "WIFE", Israel or Heavenly Jerusalem, His Divine Congregation or Arrangement "Zion." That's said in Isaiah etc, and in common sense. Also, Mary was a sinner. Jesus was sinless. Because GOD was Jesus' FATHER.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
Ok ..lets see now i have re-listened.#1 Jews are NOT a race.We are caucasion.Is NO race Jew. Jews look at other Jews as..FAMILY.And now for the seed of woman.Take away decent by woman,THE SEED of the Woman brought Y'shua.Are you willing to say this?HE is Not from the Seed of the Woman? (i do understand what you see but your forgetting some things,and i believe in both male&female decent...and i am a Jew. Shabbat Shalom :) laila tov!
Ahveddo 6 months ago
@Ahveddo Ok, number one...Jews are NOT "Caucasian". Jews are Middle Eastern and kin to Arabs...from SHEM. The "Caucasians" came from JAPHETH. Jews did not come from "Japheth". So real Jews are NOT "Caucasians". And yes, they are an ethnic race in a sense. Ok, now for the "Seed of the Woman". Ayayaya. That was NOT a human woman!!! That was referring to God's symbolic "woman" HEAVENLY ZION...His Divine Organization. God's symbolic "wife". NOT "Mary". But the Father produced that Messianic Seed.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
No Sarah was Not a Jew ,but she IS Jacobs grandmother...and He is Judahs father.Its true Sarah IS the beginning.That does not mean ALL Jews must come from a female..Its just our beginning in the line of this one woman Sarah.(I can only say this because Abraham had 2 sons.One free - one bond.Jews are free.Thru the matriarch SARAH Came the line of Jews.OR Thru BOTH Hagar and Sarah would have to be the same... FACT- they are not.(besides this mother decent is because of many rapes during diaspora)
Ahveddo 6 months ago
@Ahveddo again, I ask, did you see the WHOLE video? I mention the Jewish "insecurity" during the diaspora, and human rationalization. But not based on the Biblical God or Biblical Teaching. Did you see that part of the video?
sweetmikser 6 months ago
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@sweetmikser i will watch it again :)
Ahveddo 6 months ago
Well aren't you rude.. 95% ..really?You from Hagar? Because then would you be a Jew? (NO). I too believe a child born from a Jewish man is a Jew.No matter what the mother.But your the rudest person I have written to.Angry rude.And the HARD Fact is? Sarah started the Line...SARAH is the line of Jewish (you can not deny it... its FACT)
Ahveddo 6 months ago
@Ahveddo Sarah was not a Jew though, but a Chaldean. "Jews" (or "Israelites") did not come until after Jacob...(and more specifically Judah).
sweetmikser 6 months ago
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Ahveddo 6 months ago
well that was interesting Sweet..but then add this into it.. Sarah was a free woman,Hagar a bond woman.Abraham fathers both.. but the FREE womans child becomes the Jewish people.It was the mother,not the father (Gen 14:13 And there came one that had escaped and told Abram the Hebrew.) We are Really talking about Hebrew people.Not Jews. So? yes Woman(Sarah's) linage is really the first line. Woman have the claim as The FIRST lineage. (uh huh.. a jewess here and proud her G-d and Messiah.<3
Ahveddo 6 months ago
@Ahveddo did you see the whole video? All of it through? Everything you just wrote in your comment here is like 95% NONSENSE. It doesn't matter which woman was "free", as to the obvious paternal lineage in the Scriptures that obviously determines who is a "Jew", "Israelite" (or even a "Hebrew"). It says "Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob"...NOT "Sarah, Rebekkah, and Rachel". Also, you dodge the point and question of why you see in 1 Chronicles Jewish father and Gentile woman, and the child STILL JEWISH.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said
For all those who really care: Lineage of the tribes is dependent upon the father, therefore the father is mentioned. (Important for such things as inheritance, priesthood, etc.)
Whether someone is Jewish is dependent on the mother.
Of course if you want to completely disregard what I have to say about it (the Talmud has to say about it) feel free to do so.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@IshYehudi613 frankly, that sounds idiotic. It's having it both ways. "Lineage of tribes" dependent on the father, but "being Jewish" on the mother. FAIL. That's NOT what the Bible actually says. The infallible and INSPIRED Scriptures. The Talmud, on the other hand, though I know has some good things in it, is just an UN-inspired work of MEN. And is NOT infallible at all. But has much nonsense in it TOO. Again, Ruth was a Gentile, but her children were considered racially Jewish. Saw whole vid?
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said
Sorry, I removed the comment before I realized you commented...at this point I really had only read your description anyway. (No, still have not seen the entire vid. I skimmed because of your request)
Whether you like it or not, that is exactly how Judaism works. Jewishness is through the mother, inheritance through the father.
Ruth was a convert: her children are racially Jewish. Same with all the women you mentioned. Say what you will about the Talmud but fact ain't rhetoric
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@IshYehudi613 you need to see the WHOLE video, all the way through. Because I address this "Ruth converted" cop-out. No kidding she converted. But that's RELIGIOUS conversion. She still remained MOABITE RACIALLY. But her children were considered FULLY RACIALLY JEWISH. Even though, ooops, the mother was Gentile. See the whole video, before you assume I know nothing of the Talmud. I mention Mishnah Kiddushin 3:12, that REVERSES the true Torah and Biblical attitude.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said:
I don't think you get the whole Jewish idea (yes I saw you claim the converted "cop-out").
...In short, Judaism isn't a nationality versus religion. They are one and the same. So a convert is Ethnically Jewish.
You're knowledge of the Talmud is from other sources. Yes you are lacking in your knowledge until you see and understand it inside for yourself. (I.E. until you can read the Talmud...you understand Aramaic and Hebrew?)
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@IshYehudi613 I don' t have all thirteen volumes of the tedious Talmud in my house. But I have Jewish summations of it, etc. BY JEWS THEMSELVES WHO BELIEVE IT. So what? Again though, it's inconsistent to say that Ruth was "ethnically Jewish" when she wasn't. As that is NOT the position today with Jews. If a Croatian woman who converted to Judaism married a Jewish man, what would the child be considered racially today by Jews? Idiotically NOT racially Jewish. But in Scripture the child WAS!
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said:
"If a Croatian woman who converted to Judaism married a Jewish man, what would the child be considered racially today by Jews? Idiotically NOT racially Jewish."
No...If she had an Orthodox conversion she would be considered Jewish by everyone and so would the child.
Yes, there are converts to Judaism nowadays as well and the children are considered Jewish. I know a few personally.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@IshYehudi613 the problem you miss is that in Leviticus 24 that son of an Egyptian father but Israelite woman WAS NOT NOT NOT considered racially Jewish, but just "in the community". Which is why Scripture-twisting Scripture-ignoring Jews today see that same passage in Leviticus 24 and HALLUCINATE things that are not really there. That guy was considered an ALIEN RESIDENT...NOT a racial "Jew". Because his FATHER was Egyptian, therefore he was racially Egyptian. And an "alien resident". (vs 16)
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said:
I saw you wrote that too. He was Jewish, but because he was of an Egyptian father he had no tribe to claim as his own, thus he decided to curse g-d and was subsequently killed...
Look...It's past my bedtime already and I gotta get some sleep...
Good night. Nice talking with you. I am ending the conversation but I recommend that you do some more research into the matter if you really want to understand the matter at hand.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@IshYehudi613 what you wrote is simply NOT TRUE. It's like you're being intentionally dishonest, or just forgetting. Jews TODAY do NOT consider a person who has a Jewish father but a Croatian mother "racially Jewish". But in the BIBLE....(regardless of conversion or this or that) if a person had a Jewish father but a Moabite mother....THE CHILD WAS RACIALLY JEWISH...PERIOD. That's NOT how it's considered (racially) today, by "Orthodox Jews". RACIALLY...not. So stop lying.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said:
Did the mother convert to Orthodox Judaism? If yes, then she's Racially Jewish and so is every child she has after her conversion. If not: neither she or the child is Jewish, racially or otherwise.
I'm sorry: I don't know what you want from me
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@IshYehudi613 ? come on. There's no way a person can be "racially" anything simply by making a religious conversion, that she can theoretically change at any time, and then maybe become an atheist, if she wanted to. If she renounced modern Judaism, but was still married to a racially Jewish man, would she still be "racially Jewish"?? Also, again, what you just said is just NOT BIBLICAL. Nor logical. The guy in Leviticus 24 was called an "alien resident", just like a full-blooded Egyptian.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYeh said
To answer your questions I'm going to need to pose a few to you first:
What is a "racial Jew"?
What do you know about Orthodox Jewish conversion?
You keep going to the Bible which, as an Orthodox Jew, I view it as only Half of the god given law. (A written law and a law that goes by word of mouth): Tell me, what are the laws concerning the Sabbath that when broken a person gets the death penalty? What are the laws with regards to killing an animal in Bible "as I have commanded you"
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@IshYehudi613 well that is the problem. Modern "Jews" go really mainly by the man-made un-insipred fallible and apostate TALMUD... And not really so much by the Holy Scriptures. The Bible indicates paternal lineage, in every single instance. The seed is passed down by the father, not the mother. By the way, are you a Hasid? Or some other kind of "Orthodox" Jew?
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said:
You still haven't answered my questions, thus, i cannot finish answering yours.
I am not a Hasid
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@IshYehudi613 you didn't answer mine first. I asked if you what if that woman renounced her Judaism conversion and became an atheist? And her child was 2 years old...maybe. But the father is still (obviously) racially Jewish. What does modern Talmudic Judaism consider things to be now???? You see the confusing mess? But in the Holy Bible, YOU ARE WHATEVER YOUR FATHER IS, RACIALLY AND ETHNICALLY, PERIOD. Also, you're not Hasidic, so what are you?
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said:
1) I have answered your questions in my previous posts
2) Answer mine so I may make my point clearer.
Of course if you don't care what I have to say I can just leave...
I'm an Orthodox Jew who is not a Hasid
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said:
@sweetmikser you didn't answer my questions
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@IshYehudi613 OK, do you agree that God Almighty and Sovereign of the Universe, Hashem, Adonai, El-Shaddai, Yehowah is of the highest intelligence? If so then do you think it's possible for him to write something which contradicts what he has said or had written down in the past pertaining to the same context? Is there such a thing as two opposing truths concerning the same point? If this is a point which isn't brought up at shul then please can you ask it on our behalf for our benefit?
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said:
@GypsyPianist LOL.
1) Yes...God's intelligence is infinite
2) No it's not possible for him to write something which contradicts what he has said etc.
3) I don't know what you mean by two opposing truths concerning the same point
4) Just in general, Shul is where we pray, we study in Yeshiva/ school
sweetmikser 6 months ago
Thank you for the Lots Of Love. OK,
1.) I was sure you WERE a member of intelligent creation.
2.) So why would you agree with both the Tanakh and writings which contradict it?
3.) Actually this was the same as point 2 put in different words.
4.) Which country are you from? My American family call it Temple but my Austrian family used to call it shul because shul is the Yiddish word for school (similar to the German, 'Schule') and so I'm glad you study in the Yeshiva. I studied in Beth Drasha.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said:
@GypsyPianist
1)"So why would you agree with both the Tanakh and writings which contradict it?"
I have no idea what you mean
2) I'm from the USA
sweetmikser 6 months ago
GypsyPianist said:
@IshYehudi613
1.) Do you know what the TaNaKH is?
2.) Oh, yes, I saw from your profile but just wondered if you were from a different country originally.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said:
@GypsyPianist 1) Tanach is a Hebrew anagram for Torah, Neviim, and Kesuvim. Our written Torah
2) no I'm originally from the US...hope to move to Israel
sweetmikser 6 months ago
GypsyPianist said:
@IshYehudi613
1.) Yes. Although Torah means Law, Neviim means Prophets and Ketuvim means writings and so it is more than just the first 5 books. Anyway, the point is that you DID know what the Tanakh was. So, how come you don't understand the question? You must see that there is a difference between the Tanakh and the Talmud.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said:
@GypsyPianist The Talmud explains the Tanakh...it doesn't contradict it. Hence I do not understand your question
sweetmikser 6 months ago
GypsyPianist said:
@IshYehudi613 I see. You understand what I mean but don't understand why I was asking. One of the problems we face when having to type. So much can be lost (even if there is no translation required!) So, this is why I have sent you a message to your youtube inbox about some of the basic differences between the Tanakh and the Talmud.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@IshYehudi613 I'm not sure, but I think GP meant why would you believe the TALMUD which "contradicts" the Holy Tanakh. Because IT DOES... How can you say you believe both, when there are some pointed-out contradictions (like with this Talmudic "mother clause" un-Biblical nonsense.) That's the point here (and in the video).
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said:
@sweetmikser Since I have explained the situation quite clearly I'm done here. Thank you for your time.
PS you still haven't answered my questions
sweetmikser 6 months ago
GypsyPianist said:
@IshYehudi613 OK, ManJew613laws. I hope that you will enjoy living in Israel. Have you ever been? If you have a family are they happy to move with you?
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said:
@GypsyPianist LOL...I have to say: I'm impressed. I did not expect you to get it...Even very Orthodox Jews don't really get it sometimes.
I intend to move on my own...I am only in my twenties and don't have a wife and kids to worry about (hence, I feel it's the best time)
sweetmikser 6 months ago
GypsyPianist said:
@IshYehudi613 I wasn't always a Jehovah's Witness. However, Jehovah's Witnesses also teach this so I was eventually going to learn it anyway. It also surprised me when I was speaking to my Jewish family because they really believe that the Tanakh is only the Torah. It reminds me that I still haven't sent them the simple Email to clear this point up. They also told me that as far as they know there is no concept of Heaven in Judaism. What do you think?
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@GypsyPianist the "Tanhakh" is the Torah, Nevi'im, and Kethuvim. Which means "Law, Prophets, and Writings". In fact the very word "TaNaKh" has the three letters "T..N..K" that stand for "Torah, Nevi'im, and Kethuvim". IT'S THE WHOLE HEBREW BIBLE. All 39 inspired Books of Hebrew Scripture canon. NOT just the first five books of Moses, which is not even the "Torah" but rather the "Pentateuch". Ish should know this. Anyway, the whole Bible indicates MALE lineage. With the Messiah too especially.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
GypsyPianist said:
@sweetmikser Insight Vol.2 Page 439: Moses was the writer of the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Bible, namely, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. His writership has been acknowledged by the Jews throughout their history, this section of the Bible being known by them as the Torah, or Law.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@GypsyPianist yes, that's true. In that general sense. But what's interesting is that technically the "Law" is not the whole 5 books. Meaning, you don't find the "law" yet in the Book of Genesis at all. And first half of the Book of Exodus. The "Law of Moses" is CONTAINED within the first books (actually from Exodus to Deuteronomy), but it's not the entire 5 books. Minor point in a way, but technically you don't find the "Law of Moses" yet in the Book of Genesis. So I call it the Pentateuch.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
GypsyPianist said:
@sweetmikser
1.) Law covenant
2.) Genesis 17:9-14
3.) Genesis 9
4.) πεντάτευχος (pentateukhos), from Ancient Greek πέντε (pente, “five”) + τεῦχος (teukhos, “tool, scroll, book”).
5.) Was Moses always the law mediator for Jehovah's people
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@GypsyPianist no, in Genesis 17 was NOT the "Law" Covenant. That was the Abrahamic covenant and something else. In Genesis 9 was not a "Law" covenant either. There technically was no "Law" issued yet until Moses. That's correct. That's both the Watchtower position as well as the Apostle Paul's. In Romans 5:13,14 you read: "For until the Law, sin was in the world...but sin is not charged where there is NO LAW. But death ruled from Adam down to MOSES." Moses was the starting point, it says.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
GP said:
Yes, I know and your findings are faith strengthening. Technically, there have always been laws since Adam and Eve were told not to eat the fruit. The laws which the Jews of today still follow are included in Genesis. For example, circumcision. So, whatever the the pattern of healthful words are, we are not talking about strict Biblical adherence when it comes to Judaism as we have seen from the other discussion which is going on here. Well done for supporting the FDS so boldly!
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@GypsyPianist by the way, lol, another thing that supports MALE lineage and importance. Is in that very Verse I quoted. Romans 5 verses 13,14. It says ADAM down to MOSES. If the "mother" determined the essential nature of a person, then why didn't it say "From EVE down to ZIPPORAH"? ("Zipporah" being Moses' wife...) You notice that sin, death, and the "sin nature" came from ONE MAN...Adam. We did not get our sin nature from Eve at all. But only from Adam. Hence why the need for the MAN Jesus.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
GypsyPianist said:
@sweetmikser Good thought. It makes me think that those who believe it is only the mother line have the same attitude that Eve had when she put herself as spokeswoman ahead of Adam.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@GypsyPianist yes, also it's a Roman Catholic invention and heresy too. Remember, they hold "Mary" to be very prominent, and in some sense even over Jesus. That Mary was the "Second Eve". And that Mary was sinless too, in order for Jesus to be sinless. But the Protestant and JW position is that Mary didn't have to be sinless for Jesus to be perfect and sinless. Because the sinless nature comes from the FATHER, and Jesus' Father was GOD HIMSELF. Mary is never called in the Bible "Second Eve."
sweetmikser 6 months ago
GypsyPianist said:
@sweetmikser I like your reasoning on this. You certainly are one of the beloved of Jehovah!
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@GypsyPianist thanks...I try hard to be logical, scientific, and Scriptural...in all these analyses. And where the facts or weight of evidence leads. No matter how hard or sensitive or even nasty they may or may not be. Political correctness is NOT the truth. The harsh and hard truth is always the truth. (In whatever realm.) People tend to believe what they WANT to believe, whether the actual and thorough facts support it or not. Human nature. But we got to try hard to stick to brutal facts.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@GypsyPianist by the way, I noticed last week that on the video page, that you said to "IshYehudi613" that you were writing him private messages, etc. To get better into some matters. Just curious how that went.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@IshYehudi613 ok, what I "want" from you is to answer this critical point. Why is it (analyzing it carefully) in the Chronicles, you NEVER SEE...NOT ONCE...a situation, in the lineages, a racially Gentile father, and a racially Israelite mother, and where the offspring are considered Israelites in the lineages. EVER. Not once. BUT you DO see in Chronicles, some examples where the father is Jewish (of course), but the mother is NOT Jewish. And the kids were STILL RACIALLY JEWS IN THE LINEAGE.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said:
@sweetmikser You either need to explain what Racially Jewish means or stop asking questions you don't want an answer to.
(You still haven't answered my questions to you)
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@IshYehudi613 you're dodging. Which is no real surprise. Because you have no real answer for it. No reasonable or logical or Biblical answer at all. Just made-up junk of "tribe from father, Jewishness from mother". Again, though, the question is why don't you see NOT EVEN ONE CASE in Chronicles of the husband being a Gentile and the mother being Jewish, and the kids in the lineage are considered Israelites. But that you DO find sometimes the wife being Gentile in Chronicles, with no problem.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
IshYehudi613 said:
I'm not sure I was clear in the way I addressed the Egyptian question... Yes he was Jewish, but because he had an Egyptian father he had no community of his own and he wished to live with his mother's tribe (Hence..."in the community"...I'm not sure of the exact words) They didn't want him because he wasn't of their tribe, he got angry etc.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
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sweetmikser 6 months ago
mariftoledo said:
See the irony: Moses was not Jewish, but he who received God's laws should govern the Jewish people...
Jews today can not meet all laws of the Torah, because it really is impossible! Jesus is not only true Jew, but also the only one who could comply with all laws. Still, he humbled himself and died for our sins. That's wonderful!
sweetmikser 6 months ago
thegeniushasreturned
can you please add me as a friend i would like ask a few questions and could you tell me where you downloaded these videos and evolution ones or did you buy them?
sweetmikser 6 months ago
GP said
GypsyPianist said:
Paul chose Timothy as a traveling companion and, to avoid giving Jews an occasion for stumbling, circumcised him.—Ac 16:3. If Timothy with a Jewish mother but Gentile father was considered Jewish then surely he would have been baptised before Paul acted as a moyel. The tradition is that you are circumsised on your 8th day of life after being born.
sweetmikser 6 months ago
GP said
Thanks for putting the rest up! I watch it after work. Also, I agree with the things you wrote. It sounds to me like you're more precise than others and I really admire that! Now, I didn't mean that the woman was Eve. She wrongly wanted to covet the position of head of the family. I just thought there might be 'woman' principle that some might pick on. Well I can't wait to show my family this video. You got this from part of the literature or is this your own research? Very well done!
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@GypsyPianist well, yeah, the point is that even though God's "Wife" (His Heavenly Zion Organization) gave symbolic birth to the Messianic "Seed" (which Seed is Christ AND His anointed followers, His "Body"...Galatians), the FATHER of that "Seed" is Jehovah God Almighty Himself. God the Father. So there still is a FATHER principle...involved and that can never be avoided. God is the Father of Jesus, in all ways. Before and after Jesus became a perfect man. God is the "Life-giver" of the "Seed".
sweetmikser 6 months ago
GypsyPianist said:
Yerushalayem shel zahav! What a wonderful mix! OK, this is a prob. I've had for my whole life. My only question is does Gen. 3:15 change any part of this concept concerning the woman's seed? Are you Jewish (ethnically)?
sweetmikser 6 months ago
@GypsyPianist thank you... As for Genesis 3:15...it's unbelievable how people (both Roman Catholics and certain Jews) have gotten that so wrong. The "woman" referred to there IS NOT AN INDIVIDUAL HUMAN WOMAN. (sighs...) That was referring to GOD'S ORGANIZATION "ZION". Either Heavenly Zion or Earthly Zion, which in Scripture is referred to as "God's Woman". His Divine Organization, Congregation, and "Wife". Of divine Angels and divine Arrangement. THAT is what produced the Messianic "Seed".
sweetmikser 6 months ago