shut up Ed you moron, Assholerod is a pawn just like you in Hussein's marxist takeover, if you think I'm just a racist/white right winger do a youtube search and hear Barry's views when he was young from people who knew him. He's a full blown Marxist anybody who doesn't think so, has their head up his ass.
The Progressives want the private sector gone. They want government to provide for everyone. That cannot happen, its unsustainable. Plus when the federal govt starts providing u with health care, income, and other necessities tyranny then reigns over everyone and the federal govt can then control u. Regular ppl dont understand that concept. The Progressives in the White House and in Congress understand that very, very well and are going to try and cease this opportunity as much as they can.
@atripa645 Maybe for entertainment. I wouldn't watch it as fact. I know they try to put down IBM because the nazi's used ibm computers. I know there is Michael More interviews in it. I wouldn't exactly call that an accurate way to get information.
That's kind of like watching "sicko" to learn about healthcare. Believe it or not someone I work with actually thinks that move was factual.
Yeah, I don't agree with "job" excuse for everything business tries to do. That's similar to the argument slave owners gave about how chattel slaves were better off working for a master. I don't believe in letting a greedy capitalist exploit people to make their selves rich. If the future workers will own the means of production and there will be no one person skimming the profit. Where are all the jobs that Bush said he would create with the tax cuts for the rich? It never happened.
Freak boy ""dingy harry"" on page 1000 in the bill placed a statute where the bill cannot be rescinded or repealed without 67 senate votes in favor..a virtual impossibility..
.......What a jackass,,,,
.......We'll just find another way to make it more difficult for those freaks to face people in public for the rest of their miserable rotten lousy lives..
It seems you don't really understand production. One of the biggest parts of our economy is trading in exotic financial instruments like derivatives. Non producers make all of the money in the financial sector. Why do you care about production anyway? Republicans are the people for send our production and mfg jobs overseas and highering foreign workers over Americans.
So investors are not producers? It seems to me they are the most vital to production. They are taking their money and risking it to finance production?
I'm not a Republican. But anyway we are a net importer of jobs(we import more jobs than we outsource). If you decide to not outsource, then other countries will not give us their jobs.
This is why all the campaigning against outsourcing was so ludicrous.
Right, investors are not producers they are gamblers.
No one knows how many service jobs have been outsourced abroad, because U.S. companies are not required to maintain such statistics. And, if outsourcing leads to the creation of jobs elsewhere in the economy, as many economists argue, that is also difficult to quantify.
Many companies do it to undermined US labor which is traitorous. At the same time they are waving the flag and donging taxes that the rest of us have to pay.
More bluntly, the parasites in society are now starting to realize that they have the numbers to vote to take from the people who get up and go to work every day. This tipping point has been foretold for years.
But yes investors are gamblers as well. Entreprenuers ARE gamblers. Yes, they risk everything and thank God they do. otherwise 70% of us wouldn't have jobs.
Outsourcing. From the reading I have done it is a net gain for the US. I don't have time to check the validity, but let's just say its 50/50. Doesn't it seem stupid to be campaigning on making outsourcing illiegal? That's what we heard from obama and kerry and some Republicans too.
Jobs were outsourced because it made financial sense to do it. If you stop outsourcing, both countries would have to raise prices because they would incur more cost.
Stop your "Im not a republican" claptrap, alright, MaHaOMG!1!1? Where did blind risk get us a little over a year ago? They are risking other people's money on a financial shell game with marginal spreads that would explode your feeble mind.
Why don't all you right wingers get up in front of the American people that you don't think everyone should get to vote. Only whites? only land or business owners? oh yeah you guys have to hide that. lol
The socialists democrats are continually crying and demanding more stolen goodies from the hard workers of this once free and proud and prosperous nation. These socialist democrats have bankrupted this nation. They keep demanding more and more and Osama will give it to them. We are broke now. We cannot afford any new programs. The dollar will collapse. We are doomed as a nation. You will not recognise this once free nation in 20 yrs. Thanks you my fellow socialist democrats for all your theft.
President Obama and his administration said if Health Care Reform is not passed, Medicare and Medicaid will blow a hole through our budget. This means, Obama and our government cant even properly administer Medicare and Medicaid, not to mention the entire federal budget. How can we expect them to be able to run National Health Care?
oh come on... first of all your comment is a opinion...one of which has no merit... thats like saying coke tastes better than pepsi...which in my opinion it does :)
second, the difference is that Fox were the ones spreading lies for months on the WH and Obama, they organized and help fund these 'tea parties'......that is a good enough reason alone to question anyones credibility that takes fox news serious.
i hate pussy libs that can't take care of themselves.
"Take Care of Me, I pooped my diaper. Take care of me I need healthcare. cuz I'm too stupid to figure it out."
Pathetic. I'm sooo anti govt right now. I would support any candidate whose platform was to eliminate the govt itself and then he would be out of a job as well.
@MaHaRushie If Rush told you to get an education and think for yourself would you do it? You hate government because corporations have pushing that for decades. You are a propaganda sponge.
Damn you're smart. You have all the answers don't you?
We don't need a defense force, police, firefighters, working traffic lights, highways, public schools, public transportation, social security etc, we'll do fine without it!
About the only thing govt is good for is military and utilities(roads, electric, communications). I bet we could replace them as well if we put our minds to it.
@MaHaRushie You want to privatize everything? You would be paying a tole a soon as you left your driveway. Our economic system is a product of our government. Capitalism needs government to provide the infrastructure ie roads, judicial system, property protection. You don't know it but you guys are the biggest statists out there. The free market is a lie. Read up on it.
Lets see so following your logic I am against statism therefore I am a statist. Ergo, because you are against tyrants you support tyrants. Bizzare.
We are paying for roads now. Ask yourself. Would the govt be better at designing computers than Dell? Do you think you could afford a car built by government motors?
Cash for clunkers and home buyers credit were disasters. Govt couldn't even handle h1n1 shots. Yet a group of people seem to have even more faith despite the failures.
I think government should not be in the business of make consumer goods, though we need to break up the monopolies and regulate way more. I think the reason people have more faith in government than corporations is people know that profit is their main purpose and it doesn't seem right. Many of the innovations that you might think were created by private corps were paid for with corporate subsidies(welfare). The internet was a government creation.
Of course profit is their main purpose. But that doesn't necessarily make it a bad thing. Because in order to make a profit you need to make your customers happy.
The rich don't just sit on their profits - they reinvest.
@ThisJustin123 So you don't think rich re-invest their money???? How do the rich get richer.
examples are all over the place. You think Steve Jobs needs to continue to reinvest in Apple??? He could live off the interest if he wanted. Rich got that way because they like to take risks. that doesn't just stop when the make a lot of money. follow?
@MaHaRushie --"The rich don't just sit on their profits - they reinvest."
Do u have any examples of this?
Jobs were outsourced because it made financial sense to do it. If you stop outsourcing, both countries would have to raise prices because they would incur more cost.
50,000 jobs a day are being lost in the US due this outsourcing. So would u propose to bring job creation back to the US?
@ThisJustin123 There is no way to track outsourced jobs. Many experts think there are actually MORE jobs that are outsourced from other countries to the US.
If you decide to play hardball and stop outsourcing to other countries. Guess what, they will do the same to us. Net result is even less jobs. Its a global economy now. Get used to it.
Damn you're smart. You have all the answers don't you?
We don't need a defense force, police, firefighters, working traffic lights, highways, public schools, public transportation, social security etc, we'll do fine without it!
The only problem with Schulz is that much like most Americans he believes there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats. Oh wait yes there is. Republicans will tell you to your face they have no problem with killing innocent woman and children and unjustified wars, supporting corporations in gang raping America, and fucking over the middle class. Democrats claim to be opposed to this but in the back halls of Congress and White House they fuck over just the same. i.e. Health Care Bill
Its called the free market champ. Its worked for all these years. Open a history book or an economics book. You don't like a product or service, you vote with your pocketbook. Nothing motivates business owners more than losing customers.
Where do you get this faith in the govt. is it there success in public schools, welfare, medicare, social security? All dismal failures.
@MaHaRushie Ha ha you didn't know there has never been a "free market" right. We are a mixed economy. You are a corporatist. Corporations run the government so you are pro government, but you prefer the tyrannical kind and not the democratic kind. good job slave.
@MaHaRushie The reason you want no government is that unlike a private tyranny where orders are given from the top down with little to no say from the majority of workers, government is potentially influenced by the people. Because your side doesn't believe in democracy you should just cut to the point and say you think the most exploitative elite should rule the land.
You're part of the problem. Its always about your side and my side. If you didn't like Bush how could you possible like OBAMA? They both suck.
One side note: I do think that the people who do not have skin in the game should NOT be able to vote. We are now at a point where the losers in our society can just vote to take away capital from the producers in society.
I can now see the wisdom of the founding fathers of requiring land owners only to be able to vote.
@MaHaRushie You are a total moron who listens to Rush. What the fuck do you know about government? You are a corporatist who wants pure despotism nuff said. If you don't know what the words mean than you should look them up.
Obviously you've never taken a basic economics course.
Companies work to maximize profit. That's the basic idea behind the economy. Now, if health insurance is a necessity for people, what do you think they'll do to maximize their profits? It's not like people can just choose to not have health insurance. You can of course, it's just a risky gamble.
Public schools have made the American workforce one of the most productive, and social security allows consumer spending. Read a fucking book.
Umm..Your idea only makes sense if one company has a monopoly which is currently regulated. People can simply go to a competitor.
Look at LCD TV's they have come down precipitously the last few years. Do you think they do that just to be nice? No. Its competition. Healthcare is no different than any other good or service in our economy.
No. That's different. LCDs are one time purchases, while insurance is not. I'ts most profitable for companies to get large numbers of people to sign up, and then spend as little as possible on them. Which is what is going on now. It's hard to switch, because the moment one company has deemed you too expensive to maintain, all other companies will too, especially since you wouldn't have been paying years of premiums already to offset their losses.
@FreeAgain2 what is that suppose to mean? We the people own the government. Have you ever heard of that idea? The government and economy are here to serve the people not a minority of greedy capitalists.
@FreeAgain2 read the constitution and after that read the new research 2000 poll that came out this week.
Among all respondents 56 percent oppose such a bill, compared to just 33 percent who support it. Just 37 percent of Democrats support the bill in it's current form, compared to 30 percent of Republicans and 31 percent of Independents.
@atripa645 However, if the bill does have a Public Option, or Medicare buy-in, the number of Democrats (88 percent) and Independents (57 percent) rises considerably. Not surprisingly, support among Republicans actually falls, to 22 percent.
@FreeAgain2 Pretty weak augment. You don't like facts that go against your programmed mind. Pathetic. If you don't even care if what you say is true why should anyone listen to you. lol fool.
Yep. I warned all you progressives a year ago that Obama was the Democrat George Bush.
Conservatives thought George Bush was the greatest guy in the world until he stabbed them in the back, and I warned that Obama would do the same to his base (I just didn't expect him to do it quite this soon). But no, you had to fall in love with a bullshit artist once again. If you guys had voted for Hillary you wouldn't be screaming in agony right now.
@Borgis99 Bush was a far closer to a free market conservative than any Democrat. lol learn a little something. Hillary sat on the board of wall mart and voted for Iraq. Her and Obama agreed on all most everyting.
@ohkeepa2012 If it's not a right left "thing" why didn't AJ called it the Capitalist Deception. That would be far more accurate. There is a lot AJ doesn't tell you.
So how come Congress & the Congressional staffers are exempted from this proposed legislation? If it's so good for US why is it not so good for THEM? Just asking. Peace.
Democrats will not get elected next time around if they keep making excuses and crying about things, blaming thing on anyone but themselves....THEY WRITE AND PASS THE LAW.....not us, not the president.......THE CONGRESS.
the president will move on, health care is just one of the things he got going until the Congress fucked it up..ooohhhh yeah the president will be fine....
Congressional Democrats....your job is one the line if you dont send a bill to the boss's desk to sign.....
How is this reform if all it does is force people to buy insurance or get fined by the U. S. Govt.
This rewards the insurance companies, it does not regulate them.
How is that a solution, to say "Well the way to get people insured is to force people to buy it from the companies who are supposed to be regulated by this bill.
@RealRepublican1 , Are you sure you are a Republican? Healthcare reform is important but not right now! that 1 trillion price tag willblow into 6 Trillion over 10 years! Why add to a deficit? Gotta fix the big problems first, UNEMPLOYEMENT for one which Nobama has ignored!
Money and Influence have won. I agree with Dean. It is better to leave things as they are, at least I have the right to die without ever having bought health insurance. But is there going to be a law that will force me to buy from these health deniers?
I dont think the Insurance companies are opposing this bill. I havent seen any Insurance ads on Fox CNN or MSNBC....opposing the Senate Bill...i sure seen alot of Ads with the house bill simply because the house bill had a public option. Why would u tax, fine, or jail people who dont want private insurance. People should have a CHOICE if they want government insurance or private insurance...not being forced by the government to buy private insurance.
the insurance companies act like they hate the bill because they win when they do. they got 80% of what they wanted by "hating" it, why not keep hating it and get the last fucking 20%? if that is going to be axelrod's and the WH's argument, "if it's so good for the insurance companies then why do they hate it", then we are all majorly fucked.
No shit, what alternative did a reasonable person have really? Sucks, but I'll vote for this empty suit again, if no viable alternative exists. I'd rather hack off my junk with a machete than vote for or, by voting for an impotent 3rd party, allow the GOP to win.
The GOP is an enemy of the American people.
I'd hate to see what a McCain-Palin 2009 would have looked like. Seriously, I think we'd be WAY more screwed on that path.
We'd have attacked Iran by now, that I'd bet a tooth on.
Thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard in this debate , the insurance companies are fighting us so it must be bad for them ,,,come on axel rod don't be a stupid mother fucker .....open your eyes
there is a trick called "listening". the ears are used during this activity and the brain is supposed to be at the back end processing the stream the ears pick up.. has any of this been done before you wrote your comment?
There is a trick called "argumentation". It consists of listening and using rational arguments to express a dissenting view. Did your Mommy and Daddy never tell you about it?
Just as Ed Schultz was scoring points on the guest, David Axelrod, Joe Scarborough wades into the shallow end of the pool and tosses out 'Red Meat': ",,,can't I say pissed off? JOE (pause) Li-ber-man...(drum roll, Mika fanning, etc.)"
Joe is all about sucking up to the power. He's trained to protect the guest so they will come back on again. As soon as Schultz started laying punches Joe derailed the argument. Bam! That's an industry pro at work, folks.
strange how that the commies that supported Obama now turn against him when they discover that Obama is in this great fraud game only for himself. Just like the European international bankers discovered that they backed Hitler in 1935 and were shocked to find that Hitler was only in the top slot for himself. When a self assertive ego maniac gains power all of his supporters will be disappointed and unhappy about the future hopes for change. The pussy-mouth pseudo-conservatives warned you. tj
My, my, yep, showing the immaturity of a 10 yr old or just trying to shut out free speech as many Obamaites & the WH are attempting to do with FOX, et al?
Another Obama shill & pitchman fooking for a free ride, are you?
Truth is man , i got mine , retired teamster with a health benifit pakage , just looking out for my fellow human beings, being compassionate is not in the dictionary for most on the right..
Well, you've hit on one of the keys to getting Americans to hate taxing the rich: The media driven fantasy that we're ALL going to be rich someday.
Seriously, a lot of stupid fucks literally think, "Damn, I don't want to pay those taxes when I'm rich, its just not fair."
People who suck at math don't realize that their conceptions of "rich" doesn't come within light years of how rich the super wealthy are. The Watlons? The Pritzkers? Billionaire heirs who never earned a nickel.
I know that , over 90% of the rich in America is inherited wealth , They should be taxed like back in the Reagan adm. back then it was like between 70% and 90%
Because a study released by Stanford says differently. Only 36% of top bracket children end up in the top bracket. 5% of top bracket children end up in the top. And the middle 3 brackets are pretty equally distributed.
So lives on the American aristocracy. As long as these people have their wealth, they will bribe, cajole, or slander all politicians who threaten to separate them from their money. This will never change. Money is indeed the root of all evil.
shut up Ed you moron, Assholerod is a pawn just like you in Hussein's marxist takeover, if you think I'm just a racist/white right winger do a youtube search and hear Barry's views when he was young from people who knew him. He's a full blown Marxist anybody who doesn't think so, has their head up his ass.
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Wilone328 1 year ago
The Progressives want the private sector gone. They want government to provide for everyone. That cannot happen, its unsustainable. Plus when the federal govt starts providing u with health care, income, and other necessities tyranny then reigns over everyone and the federal govt can then control u. Regular ppl dont understand that concept. The Progressives in the White House and in Congress understand that very, very well and are going to try and cease this opportunity as much as they can.
bRizzle2009100 2 years ago
Can I say pisssed off on the air??????
Grow a set and act like a man......
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RealRepublican1 2 years ago
MaHaRashie go watch the movie the Corporation.
atripa645 2 years ago
@atripa645 Maybe for entertainment. I wouldn't watch it as fact. I know they try to put down IBM because the nazi's used ibm computers. I know there is Michael More interviews in it. I wouldn't exactly call that an accurate way to get information.
That's kind of like watching "sicko" to learn about healthcare. Believe it or not someone I work with actually thinks that move was factual.
MaHaRushie 1 year ago
Yeah, I don't agree with "job" excuse for everything business tries to do. That's similar to the argument slave owners gave about how chattel slaves were better off working for a master. I don't believe in letting a greedy capitalist exploit people to make their selves rich. If the future workers will own the means of production and there will be no one person skimming the profit. Where are all the jobs that Bush said he would create with the tax cuts for the rich? It never happened.
atripa645 2 years ago 2
Amen, atripa.
painxtreme 1 year ago
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Freak boy ""dingy harry"" on page 1000 in the bill placed a statute where the bill cannot be rescinded or repealed without 67 senate votes in favor..a virtual impossibility..
.......What a jackass,,,,
.......We'll just find another way to make it more difficult for those freaks to face people in public for the rest of their miserable rotten lousy lives..
hadenufnow 2 years ago
@MaHaRushie thinks that only certain people should get to vote. Okay who should not get to vote MaHaRushie?
atripa645 2 years ago
Only people with skin in the game. Landowners would be a starting point. Maybe, make potential voters answer a few basic civics questions.
Historians have been predicting what is currently happening. Once the non-producers gain the majority they can simply tax the producers in society.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
It seems you don't really understand production. One of the biggest parts of our economy is trading in exotic financial instruments like derivatives. Non producers make all of the money in the financial sector. Why do you care about production anyway? Republicans are the people for send our production and mfg jobs overseas and highering foreign workers over Americans.
atripa645 2 years ago
So investors are not producers? It seems to me they are the most vital to production. They are taking their money and risking it to finance production?
I'm not a Republican. But anyway we are a net importer of jobs(we import more jobs than we outsource). If you decide to not outsource, then other countries will not give us their jobs.
This is why all the campaigning against outsourcing was so ludicrous.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
Right, investors are not producers they are gamblers.
No one knows how many service jobs have been outsourced abroad, because U.S. companies are not required to maintain such statistics. And, if outsourcing leads to the creation of jobs elsewhere in the economy, as many economists argue, that is also difficult to quantify.
Many companies do it to undermined US labor which is traitorous. At the same time they are waving the flag and donging taxes that the rest of us have to pay.
atripa645 2 years ago
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atripa645 2 years ago
your getting sidetracked on the producers.
More bluntly, the parasites in society are now starting to realize that they have the numbers to vote to take from the people who get up and go to work every day. This tipping point has been foretold for years.
But yes investors are gamblers as well. Entreprenuers ARE gamblers. Yes, they risk everything and thank God they do. otherwise 70% of us wouldn't have jobs.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
Outsourcing. From the reading I have done it is a net gain for the US. I don't have time to check the validity, but let's just say its 50/50. Doesn't it seem stupid to be campaigning on making outsourcing illiegal? That's what we heard from obama and kerry and some Republicans too.
Jobs were outsourced because it made financial sense to do it. If you stop outsourcing, both countries would have to raise prices because they would incur more cost.
Govt is overreaching into the private sector!
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
Maha, next time get at least a 2nd grade level book for your "reading"
painxtreme 1 year ago
Stop your "Im not a republican" claptrap, alright, MaHaOMG!1!1? Where did blind risk get us a little over a year ago? They are risking other people's money on a financial shell game with marginal spreads that would explode your feeble mind.
Too many morons, too few arrows.
painxtreme 1 year ago
Who is "they"? What financial shell game are they risking other peoples money on?
Your posts leave us with more questions than answers.
MaHaRushie 1 year ago
Why don't all you right wingers get up in front of the American people that you don't think everyone should get to vote. Only whites? only land or business owners? oh yeah you guys have to hide that. lol
atripa645 2 years ago
Only whites? That would be racist.
The other suggestions would be possiblities as a starting point.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
The socialists democrats are continually crying and demanding more stolen goodies from the hard workers of this once free and proud and prosperous nation. These socialist democrats have bankrupted this nation. They keep demanding more and more and Osama will give it to them. We are broke now. We cannot afford any new programs. The dollar will collapse. We are doomed as a nation. You will not recognise this once free nation in 20 yrs. Thanks you my fellow socialist democrats for all your theft.
geofiles 2 years ago
President Obama and his administration said if Health Care Reform is not passed, Medicare and Medicaid will blow a hole through our budget. This means, Obama and our government cant even properly administer Medicare and Medicaid, not to mention the entire federal budget. How can we expect them to be able to run National Health Care?
geofiles 2 years ago
Fox organized tea parties? Where's the proof?
Panchee123 2 years ago
REPEAL the TAX & JAIL Mandate bill nobody ever wanted..
hadenufnow 2 years ago
Ed Shchultz speaks for millions of middle class Americans that the President and his minions in the White House have seem to have forgotten about.
convicted07 2 years ago
The White House just declared war on The Ed Show. They have been branded an opinion show that only reads the talking points of the Republican party.
Sound familiar?
StalinsLoveChild 2 years ago
oh come on... first of all your comment is a opinion...one of which has no merit... thats like saying coke tastes better than pepsi...which in my opinion it does :)
second, the difference is that Fox were the ones spreading lies for months on the WH and Obama, they organized and help fund these 'tea parties'......that is a good enough reason alone to question anyones credibility that takes fox news serious.
Redrum4409 2 years ago
It's fun to watch the Democrat party crack up over a poorly written health care reform bill.
johndrew25 2 years ago
Ed, i've been waiting for you to do this ever since you've come on t.v. thanks for putting the democratic administration to task, finally
snappa52 2 years ago 4
Killthe 3000 pg HC TAX & JAIL Trojan Horse Mandate Bill nobody wants..
Kill the bill..
Vote out the freaks..
Nobody wants it..
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smihat97 2 years ago
Question; what do you get when you elect and appoint a bunch of people with no business experience?
You get a bunch of people who get their lunches eaten by business people.
Obama built us a house out of straw and now we're wondering why the big bad wolf blew it down. Dumbasses.
RightWingTerrorist 2 years ago
i hate pussy libs that can't take care of themselves.
"Take Care of Me, I pooped my diaper. Take care of me I need healthcare. cuz I'm too stupid to figure it out."
Pathetic. I'm sooo anti govt right now. I would support any candidate whose platform was to eliminate the govt itself and then he would be out of a job as well.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
@MaHaRushie If Rush told you to get an education and think for yourself would you do it? You hate government because corporations have pushing that for decades. You are a propaganda sponge.
atripa645 2 years ago
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atripa645 2 years ago
or just submit these questions to referendums.
Igosuki 2 years ago
Damn you're smart. You have all the answers don't you?
We don't need a defense force, police, firefighters, working traffic lights, highways, public schools, public transportation, social security etc, we'll do fine without it!
Fucking idiot.
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smihat97 2 years ago
About the only thing govt is good for is military and utilities(roads, electric, communications). I bet we could replace them as well if we put our minds to it.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
@MaHaRushie You want to privatize everything? You would be paying a tole a soon as you left your driveway. Our economic system is a product of our government. Capitalism needs government to provide the infrastructure ie roads, judicial system, property protection. You don't know it but you guys are the biggest statists out there. The free market is a lie. Read up on it.
atripa645 2 years ago
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atripa645 2 years ago
Lets see so following your logic I am against statism therefore I am a statist. Ergo, because you are against tyrants you support tyrants. Bizzare.
We are paying for roads now. Ask yourself. Would the govt be better at designing computers than Dell? Do you think you could afford a car built by government motors?
Cash for clunkers and home buyers credit were disasters. Govt couldn't even handle h1n1 shots. Yet a group of people seem to have even more faith despite the failures.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
I think government should not be in the business of make consumer goods, though we need to break up the monopolies and regulate way more. I think the reason people have more faith in government than corporations is people know that profit is their main purpose and it doesn't seem right. Many of the innovations that you might think were created by private corps were paid for with corporate subsidies(welfare). The internet was a government creation.
atripa645 2 years ago
Of course profit is their main purpose. But that doesn't necessarily make it a bad thing. Because in order to make a profit you need to make your customers happy.
The rich don't just sit on their profits - they reinvest.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
@MaHaRushie --"The rich don't just sit on their profits - they reinvest."
Do u have any examples of this?
ThisJustin123 1 year ago
@ThisJustin123 So you don't think rich re-invest their money???? How do the rich get richer.
examples are all over the place. You think Steve Jobs needs to continue to reinvest in Apple??? He could live off the interest if he wanted. Rich got that way because they like to take risks. that doesn't just stop when the make a lot of money. follow?
MaHaRushie 1 year ago
@MaHaRushie --"The rich don't just sit on their profits - they reinvest."
Do u have any examples of this?
Jobs were outsourced because it made financial sense to do it. If you stop outsourcing, both countries would have to raise prices because they would incur more cost.
50,000 jobs a day are being lost in the US due this outsourcing. So would u propose to bring job creation back to the US?
ThisJustin123 1 year ago
@ThisJustin123 There is no way to track outsourced jobs. Many experts think there are actually MORE jobs that are outsourced from other countries to the US.
If you decide to play hardball and stop outsourcing to other countries. Guess what, they will do the same to us. Net result is even less jobs. Its a global economy now. Get used to it.
MaHaRushie 1 year ago
stick to 50 cent and away from politics. lol
atripa645 2 years ago
Damn you're smart. You have all the answers don't you?
We don't need a defense force, police, firefighters, working traffic lights, highways, public schools, public transportation, social security etc, we'll do fine without it!
Fucking idiot.
DeepLyricist 2 years ago
Well put.
MrHellawicked 2 years ago
Hows that hope and change working out for ya?
StalinsLoveChild 2 years ago 2
The libs are eating their own.
Talk about bad breath.
tommyde8 2 years ago
This is EXACTLY what Kucinich and Paul (and their supporters) foresaw - years ago.
Others too.
Please do not for a second pretend that you were not warned - indeed, repeatedly.
Inevitably, it is the PEOPLE who are to blame, for NOT voting for them - in the PRIMARIES, when it COUNTED!
RonPaulGeorgeRingo 2 years ago 2
I'm sooooo sick of the Democratic Party. Get OUT of my life!!!!
I am voting for Ron Paul. I'm sick of Obama, Pelosi, Reid and all the rest of these ass clowns.
WE DONT NEED THE GOVT TO TAKE CARE OF US!!!!!!!
GET IT?????
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
The only problem with Schulz is that much like most Americans he believes there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats. Oh wait yes there is. Republicans will tell you to your face they have no problem with killing innocent woman and children and unjustified wars, supporting corporations in gang raping America, and fucking over the middle class. Democrats claim to be opposed to this but in the back halls of Congress and White House they fuck over just the same. i.e. Health Care Bill
Buster9826 2 years ago 4
I would say DEMS are 10 X worse than REPS but they both suck.
Time for a third party. The "GET THE HELL OUT OF MY LIFE" party.
Congress is soooo arrogant to think they can take care of us. They have an shitty track record. I wouldn't trust the govt to run anything.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
@MaHaRushie Oh but you trust private tyrannies with everything? Real smart. At least government is potentially influenced. Business are pure tyranny.
atripa645 2 years ago
Its called the free market champ. Its worked for all these years. Open a history book or an economics book. You don't like a product or service, you vote with your pocketbook. Nothing motivates business owners more than losing customers.
Where do you get this faith in the govt. is it there success in public schools, welfare, medicare, social security? All dismal failures.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
@MaHaRushie Ha ha you didn't know there has never been a "free market" right. We are a mixed economy. You are a corporatist. Corporations run the government so you are pro government, but you prefer the tyrannical kind and not the democratic kind. good job slave.
atripa645 2 years ago
You can play semantics games but US is considered a free market economy.
I'm saying NO GOVERNMENT should be our goal.
Corporations are not some evil entity as you think. It is US, you and me. 70% of Americans own stock.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
@MaHaRushie The reason you want no government is that unlike a private tyranny where orders are given from the top down with little to no say from the majority of workers, government is potentially influenced by the people. Because your side doesn't believe in democracy you should just cut to the point and say you think the most exploitative elite should rule the land.
atripa645 2 years ago
What is MY SIDE?
You're part of the problem. Its always about your side and my side. If you didn't like Bush how could you possible like OBAMA? They both suck.
One side note: I do think that the people who do not have skin in the game should NOT be able to vote. We are now at a point where the losers in our society can just vote to take away capital from the producers in society.
I can now see the wisdom of the founding fathers of requiring land owners only to be able to vote.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
What's up with all the "tyranny" references. What is your definition of tyranny? I think you have a chip on your shoulder.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
@MaHaRushie You are a total moron who listens to Rush. What the fuck do you know about government? You are a corporatist who wants pure despotism nuff said. If you don't know what the words mean than you should look them up.
atripa645 2 years ago
Umm.. not really. I thought libs were open minded. You seem to be prejudiced.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
Whoever you are, you are so right about things the right-wings can't stand it! I must say I am very impressed.
2009dbella 2 years ago
Thanks!
atripa645 2 years ago
You are most welcomed.
2009dbella 2 years ago
Obviously you've never taken a basic economics course.
Companies work to maximize profit. That's the basic idea behind the economy. Now, if health insurance is a necessity for people, what do you think they'll do to maximize their profits? It's not like people can just choose to not have health insurance. You can of course, it's just a risky gamble.
Public schools have made the American workforce one of the most productive, and social security allows consumer spending. Read a fucking book.
DeepLyricist 2 years ago
Umm..Your idea only makes sense if one company has a monopoly which is currently regulated. People can simply go to a competitor.
Look at LCD TV's they have come down precipitously the last few years. Do you think they do that just to be nice? No. Its competition. Healthcare is no different than any other good or service in our economy.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
No. That's different. LCDs are one time purchases, while insurance is not. I'ts most profitable for companies to get large numbers of people to sign up, and then spend as little as possible on them. Which is what is going on now. It's hard to switch, because the moment one company has deemed you too expensive to maintain, all other companies will too, especially since you wouldn't have been paying years of premiums already to offset their losses.
You can read books online.
DeepLyricist 2 years ago
Oh yea. I don't read books, that's old media.
MaHaRushie 2 years ago
Dude there are bags of chips deeper than you . As far as I know a tech. institute doesn't teach economics.
atripa645 2 years ago
The "something for nothing" progressives crowd strikes again.
FreeAgain2 2 years ago
@FreeAgain2 what is that suppose to mean? We the people own the government. Have you ever heard of that idea? The government and economy are here to serve the people not a minority of greedy capitalists.
atripa645 2 years ago 3
We don't OWN the government.
If you want healthcare - pay for it.
FreeAgain2 2 years ago
@FreeAgain2 read the constitution and after that read the new research 2000 poll that came out this week.
Among all respondents 56 percent oppose such a bill, compared to just 33 percent who support it. Just 37 percent of Democrats support the bill in it's current form, compared to 30 percent of Republicans and 31 percent of Independents.
atripa645 2 years ago
@atripa645 However, if the bill does have a Public Option, or Medicare buy-in, the number of Democrats (88 percent) and Independents (57 percent) rises considerably. Not surprisingly, support among Republicans actually falls, to 22 percent.
atripa645 2 years ago
opinion polls are worthless - why not poll kindergartners while you're at it.
You need to the government hand-out philosophy off your brain. The Constitution is about controlling the Government - not freebies for the voters.
if you want free health care move to Canada.
FreeAgain2 2 years ago
@FreeAgain2 Pretty weak augment. You don't like facts that go against your programmed mind. Pathetic. If you don't even care if what you say is true why should anyone listen to you. lol fool.
atripa645 2 years ago
Keep eating your Government cheese.
FreeAgain2 2 years ago
Yep. I warned all you progressives a year ago that Obama was the Democrat George Bush.
Conservatives thought George Bush was the greatest guy in the world until he stabbed them in the back, and I warned that Obama would do the same to his base (I just didn't expect him to do it quite this soon). But no, you had to fall in love with a bullshit artist once again. If you guys had voted for Hillary you wouldn't be screaming in agony right now.
When will the American voter LEARN?
Borgis99 2 years ago
@Borgis99 Bush was a far closer to a free market conservative than any Democrat. lol learn a little something. Hillary sat on the board of wall mart and voted for Iraq. Her and Obama agreed on all most everyting.
atripa645 2 years ago
LUL.
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ohkeepa2012 2 years ago
@ohkeepa2012 If it's not a right left "thing" why didn't AJ called it the Capitalist Deception. That would be far more accurate. There is a lot AJ doesn't tell you.
atripa645 2 years ago
The bill has been so watered down by Whore Lieberman that it's worthless.
Please contact your Senator & tell them TO VOTE AGAINST THIS WORTHLESS BILL.
DillonX 2 years ago
Ed has balls.
aznfootwork 2 years ago 3
So how come Congress & the Congressional staffers are exempted from this proposed legislation? If it's so good for US why is it not so good for THEM? Just asking. Peace.
TheSchmuckLook 2 years ago 2
Besides the Congress who writes and pass laws, THE MEDIA who influences public opinion is also too deep into it....
too late to back down and spin....
The media in regards to this bill is in a fight between the MSNBC's and the FOX's
One side will loose, and loose big, that means viewers, credibility, sponsorship, THEIR JOBS ,bonuses, pay....
making excuses now and backing down is just like QUITTING.
The pen is ready for signing,,,,,but it must reach the boss's desk first.... acapito?
thecruiseliner 2 years ago
Democrats will not get elected next time around if they keep making excuses and crying about things, blaming thing on anyone but themselves....THEY WRITE AND PASS THE LAW.....not us, not the president.......THE CONGRESS.
the president will move on, health care is just one of the things he got going until the Congress fucked it up..ooohhhh yeah the president will be fine....
Congressional Democrats....your job is one the line if you dont send a bill to the boss's desk to sign.....
acapito?
thecruiseliner 2 years ago
Good post Cruiseliner.
HeartInSanFrancisco 2 years ago
How is this reform if all it does is force people to buy insurance or get fined by the U. S. Govt.
This rewards the insurance companies, it does not regulate them.
How is that a solution, to say "Well the way to get people insured is to force people to buy it from the companies who are supposed to be regulated by this bill.
That's a bunch of BS.
HeartInSanFrancisco 2 years ago
I vote by text every day on Ed's show, on MSNBC. I do it to participate, but also to show support for Ed and his show.
Please do the same if you like Ed and what he represents.
Ed calls it like he sees it. And he is pissed.
Ed is right on this.
The bill will create a "tax" on the uninsured (who are uninsured because they are POOR)!
This bill would FORCE people who don't have insurance to buy it, from the fucking insurance companies who are supposed to reigned in by this bill.
HeartInSanFrancisco 2 years ago 2
I am a liberal and am sick of Obama. I am voting repubican in 2010 and Palin in 2012 and I suggest the rest of you liberals like me do the same!
bigdogsdontbark 2 years ago
@bigdogsdontbark ,Good for you!
RangRing68 2 years ago
This bill is good. Stop whining Ed. This bill makes coverage affordable, lowers out of pocket limits.
50% off prescription medicines in the coverage gap in Medicare. Let's pass the bill.
RealRepublican1 2 years ago
@RealRepublican1 , Are you sure you are a Republican? Healthcare reform is important but not right now! that 1 trillion price tag willblow into 6 Trillion over 10 years! Why add to a deficit? Gotta fix the big problems first, UNEMPLOYEMENT for one which Nobama has ignored!
RangRing68 2 years ago
LUL
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LegendaryMotives 2 years ago
Go Ed!! You are right on the money!
atripa645 2 years ago
The Insurance industry wrote this bill!!!
U2Berror 2 years ago 3
Let's face it !!!!
Money and Influence have won. I agree with Dean. It is better to leave things as they are, at least I have the right to die without ever having bought health insurance. But is there going to be a law that will force me to buy from these health deniers?
topthickproducer 2 years ago
no more foreign aid to israel until every single american has healthcare and employment. america first
rooper666hell 2 years ago 3
Israel or any place else.
cosmosgato 2 years ago
israel can go fuck itself
rooper666hell 2 years ago
I dont think the Insurance companies are opposing this bill. I havent seen any Insurance ads on Fox CNN or MSNBC....opposing the Senate Bill...i sure seen alot of Ads with the house bill simply because the house bill had a public option. Why would u tax, fine, or jail people who dont want private insurance. People should have a CHOICE if they want government insurance or private insurance...not being forced by the government to buy private insurance.
leo2009910 2 years ago
Why are the insurance companies fighting the bill? Why wouldn't they? They managed to get this far, why not push for more?
bkarwin 2 years ago
this clip cuts off, did axelrod ever bother to answer Big Ed's question?
KataVideo 2 years ago
All I know is it isn't medicare for all or single payer. I hate it when they desecrate the Bill of Rights...
PersonalJesus348 2 years ago
THERE IS NOT COMPETITION!!! State legislation gives the insurance companies ridiculous market share. MORE LEGISLATION ISN'T THE SOLUTION!
BigPurple121 2 years ago
the insurance companies act like they hate the bill because they win when they do. they got 80% of what they wanted by "hating" it, why not keep hating it and get the last fucking 20%? if that is going to be axelrod's and the WH's argument, "if it's so good for the insurance companies then why do they hate it", then we are all majorly fucked.
junkforkaryn 2 years ago 2
The name "Joe Lieberman" does not piss me off. I think he has nice teeth, and he's probably kind to his gardener.
But, I would happily crush his violin.
synapsecracklepop 2 years ago
Go Ed! Good on him!
Bear5177 2 years ago 2
go Ed!
goldensextant 2 years ago 3
obambi is 4 and out.
And I voted for this empty suit.
cosmosgato 2 years ago 3
No shit, what alternative did a reasonable person have really? Sucks, but I'll vote for this empty suit again, if no viable alternative exists. I'd rather hack off my junk with a machete than vote for or, by voting for an impotent 3rd party, allow the GOP to win.
The GOP is an enemy of the American people.
I'd hate to see what a McCain-Palin 2009 would have looked like. Seriously, I think we'd be WAY more screwed on that path.
We'd have attacked Iran by now, that I'd bet a tooth on.
Bunnicula71 2 years ago
Thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard in this debate , the insurance companies are fighting us so it must be bad for them ,,,come on axel rod don't be a stupid mother fucker .....open your eyes
sjcpal 2 years ago 4
No he thinks WE'RE stupid MFs!
cosmosgato 2 years ago
Nice job aiding and abetting Axelrod's evasion Joe. Well played. You must be slightly less drunk this morning.
CitizenWorm 2 years ago 2
A Conservative playing the voice of reason between two enraged Liberals. Funny. Very funny!
bobhardball 2 years ago
there is a trick called "listening". the ears are used during this activity and the brain is supposed to be at the back end processing the stream the ears pick up.. has any of this been done before you wrote your comment?
inmyforties 2 years ago
There is a trick called "argumentation". It consists of listening and using rational arguments to express a dissenting view. Did your Mommy and Daddy never tell you about it?
bobhardball 2 years ago
You just saw it right there @ 1:50:
Just as Ed Schultz was scoring points on the guest, David Axelrod, Joe Scarborough wades into the shallow end of the pool and tosses out 'Red Meat': ",,,can't I say pissed off? JOE (pause) Li-ber-man...(drum roll, Mika fanning, etc.)"
Joe is all about sucking up to the power. He's trained to protect the guest so they will come back on again. As soon as Schultz started laying punches Joe derailed the argument. Bam! That's an industry pro at work, folks.
dogstar7 2 years ago 5
The Fed bankers in 1913, did the same bs, said they all hated the the fed bill lol, its the oldest easiest trick.
Plat465 2 years ago
Axelrod is a shill for the insurance industry.
Lieberman should be stripped of ALL Senate seniority IMMEDIATELY.
Richardgwm 2 years ago 14
strange how that the commies that supported Obama now turn against him when they discover that Obama is in this great fraud game only for himself. Just like the European international bankers discovered that they backed Hitler in 1935 and were shocked to find that Hitler was only in the top slot for himself. When a self assertive ego maniac gains power all of his supporters will be disappointed and unhappy about the future hopes for change. The pussy-mouth pseudo-conservatives warned you. tj
tj5555555 2 years ago
Right you are, although I wouldn't say they were commies, more like all those wannabe socialists wanting a FREE ride.
search4truth1 2 years ago
david axelrod is sexy and i bet he has a big rod in his pants
Diadematov 2 years ago
Joe Lieberman rides Satan's cock like a cowgirl on ecstasy
SubmarinerAndroid 2 years ago 6
It's actually a govt payroll. Easy fuckin money.
MrHelldogger 2 years ago
LMAO
FixedNewsChannel 2 years ago
damn. that must be quite a site. a cowgirl riding cock on ecstasy sounds pretty hot!
asphyxiafeeling 2 years ago
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borntobelegend 2 years ago
lol, the guy on the phone is David Axelrod.
IAMtheNewWorldOrder 2 years ago
Obama lied to us about Health Care. We have to accept that. He is not the leader we thought we elected.
alandtami 2 years ago 5
No, he didn't lie at all.
It's just that the Sheeple have opened there eyes now and don't like what they've orchestrated.
search4truth1 2 years ago
You're an Idiot , If you are not a millionaire shut the fuck up ....
sjcpal 2 years ago
humm, hit a nerve did I? heh heh
My, my, yep, showing the immaturity of a 10 yr old or just trying to shut out free speech as many Obamaites & the WH are attempting to do with FOX, et al?
Another Obama shill & pitchman fooking for a free ride, are you?
search4truth1 2 years ago
Truth is man , i got mine , retired teamster with a health benifit pakage , just looking out for my fellow human beings, being compassionate is not in the dictionary for most on the right..
sjcpal 2 years ago
Well, you've hit on one of the keys to getting Americans to hate taxing the rich: The media driven fantasy that we're ALL going to be rich someday.
Seriously, a lot of stupid fucks literally think, "Damn, I don't want to pay those taxes when I'm rich, its just not fair."
People who suck at math don't realize that their conceptions of "rich" doesn't come within light years of how rich the super wealthy are. The Watlons? The Pritzkers? Billionaire heirs who never earned a nickel.
Bunnicula71 2 years ago
I know that , over 90% of the rich in America is inherited wealth , They should be taxed like back in the Reagan adm. back then it was like between 70% and 90%
sjcpal 2 years ago
@sjcpal
Could you cite your source?
Because a study released by Stanford says differently. Only 36% of top bracket children end up in the top bracket. 5% of top bracket children end up in the top. And the middle 3 brackets are pretty equally distributed.
BigPurple121 2 years ago
got a link to that stanford study?
KataVideo 2 years ago
So lives on the American aristocracy. As long as these people have their wealth, they will bribe, cajole, or slander all politicians who threaten to separate them from their money. This will never change. Money is indeed the root of all evil.
mrbhave 2 years ago