Looking at the many 'branded' methods - Chi, Evolution, Pose etc., they seem similar in many ways. What I like about Pose is the emphasis on raising the foot, this seems to lead to a more relaxed style. Question - the Pose runners in the clip look like their feet are rising behind them rather than under their hips. Is the idea that you try to raise your foot under your hip, but because of the forward motion it actually rises up behind you, and then returns automatically for the next step?
@joeyyowee It's a bit tricky to analyse as the frame rates of the vid differs per person. The vid of the first two male pose trained runners (ptr) is a slowdowned 30fps vid. This makes the runners look a bit choppy/bouncy, where it's actually the footage that causes such. The vid of the last ptr is 210fps, showing 1 real sec. in 7sec. This vid shows much more fluent movement due to this. Same for the female ptr runner which is a 300fps vid. The vid of the own trained runners are all 210fps.
@joeyyowee; We counted and calculated frames in a discusion about this vid on posetech and concluded that the last runner (who is the least experienced) spended most time on support. He does pretty well though. All pose trained runners run within pose standard, but have individual differences which characterizes their personal style. I believe that personal "taste" plays a role regarding which runningstyle appeals more or less to someone.
Mooie vids! Maak je ook video analyses voor clienten? Ik ben aan het overschakelen van haklanding naar "optimaal". Train sinds relatief kort op de baan. Sinds heel kort met stukken blootvoets. Hoop ondanks stroef lijf (fietser, 1m94/90kg, maat 48 schoenen) een soepele, snelle 10km loper te worden, voor wintertriathlons. Enkels deden zeer door overpronatie, fysio wist geen oplossing. Maar zonder schoen en met vooral voorvoetlanding gaat het eigenlijk heel best nu. Alleen de kuiten.......auw. Gr.
@Cloxxki Hoi, ik lees je reactie nu pas omdat mijn @Thjeko er niet in voorkomt. Sorry. Ja ik geef één op één poseclinics In Den Haag en dat gaat samen met een analyse van de loopstijl vooraf en natuurlijk achteraf. Onder mijn Thjeko kanaal vind je hier wel wat voorbeelden van. Kijk in het kader van de kuitproblemen ook even naar de video; "Running technique training I oct. 2009". Succes met je lopen, je bent van harte welkom in het Haagse (google "Fysio en Zo Jacky" en je vindt me vast ;-).
@Thjeko "Pose" is just another word for biochemically efficient running. No pronation or supination and no hard heel striking. The goal is to hit the ground with the center of your foot. Compare videos of elite athletes and they have very efficient biomechanics. Yet arent necessarily pose runners.
Some pronation is okay though, as it dampens part of the impact from landing. I rather use the word LAND OVER the ball of the foot instead of HIT WITH (just sounds too hard and active).
I will not label an elite runner as a poserunner, if he doesn't know about (and is trained via) Pose Method (PM). Athletes that improve their running via PM often call themselves "poserunners".
I don't think this video is a fair comparison. The runners that are running their own style appear to be in the later stages of racing a triathlon, whereas the "pose" runners appear to be posing. The first runner is doing strides on a football field, the second runner is running along the beach doing strides, the third and forth runners are doing strides down the street. I think it would be a fair comparison if these pose runners was actually racing.
@dollyolld; You are right and I pointed that out in the info block that comes with the vid; "It seems honest to mention that the runners running their own style were performing in a race, this is in contrast to the Pose trained runners. Perhaps you've missed it.
I did have video footages from the "own style runners" right after the start of this short duathlon. But as the pack of runners was too crowded than, I prefered to use the vid in which you see them run solo. As the characteristics of the "own style" runners (described in the info block) showed the same at the start of the race it didn't make much difference for the purpose of this vid.
In discussions about running form, it is often said that every humanbody (with its own individual characteristics) has its own natural runningstyle, which doesn't need education as the body knows how to work that out best by itself.
For a small amount of genetic gifted athletes this might be true. Nevertheless for most of us plodders, some education in running skills wouldn't be such a bad idea ;-).
That's amazing! You can actually see the braking with the heel strike and the total absence of braking with the Pose form! Excellent Vid!!
cccincocc 6 months ago
Looking at the many 'branded' methods - Chi, Evolution, Pose etc., they seem similar in many ways. What I like about Pose is the emphasis on raising the foot, this seems to lead to a more relaxed style. Question - the Pose runners in the clip look like their feet are rising behind them rather than under their hips. Is the idea that you try to raise your foot under your hip, but because of the forward motion it actually rises up behind you, and then returns automatically for the next step?
cjt5mith 8 months ago
The guy in 1:30 has the best form imo.
joeyyowee 1 year ago
@joeyyowee It's a bit tricky to analyse as the frame rates of the vid differs per person. The vid of the first two male pose trained runners (ptr) is a slowdowned 30fps vid. This makes the runners look a bit choppy/bouncy, where it's actually the footage that causes such. The vid of the last ptr is 210fps, showing 1 real sec. in 7sec. This vid shows much more fluent movement due to this. Same for the female ptr runner which is a 300fps vid. The vid of the own trained runners are all 210fps.
Thjeko 1 year ago
@joeyyowee; We counted and calculated frames in a discusion about this vid on posetech and concluded that the last runner (who is the least experienced) spended most time on support. He does pretty well though. All pose trained runners run within pose standard, but have individual differences which characterizes their personal style. I believe that personal "taste" plays a role regarding which runningstyle appeals more or less to someone.
Thjeko 1 year ago
Mooie vids! Maak je ook video analyses voor clienten? Ik ben aan het overschakelen van haklanding naar "optimaal". Train sinds relatief kort op de baan. Sinds heel kort met stukken blootvoets. Hoop ondanks stroef lijf (fietser, 1m94/90kg, maat 48 schoenen) een soepele, snelle 10km loper te worden, voor wintertriathlons. Enkels deden zeer door overpronatie, fysio wist geen oplossing. Maar zonder schoen en met vooral voorvoetlanding gaat het eigenlijk heel best nu. Alleen de kuiten.......auw. Gr.
Cloxxki 1 year ago
@Cloxxki Hoi, ik lees je reactie nu pas omdat mijn @Thjeko er niet in voorkomt. Sorry. Ja ik geef één op één poseclinics In Den Haag en dat gaat samen met een analyse van de loopstijl vooraf en natuurlijk achteraf. Onder mijn Thjeko kanaal vind je hier wel wat voorbeelden van. Kijk in het kader van de kuitproblemen ook even naar de video; "Running technique training I oct. 2009". Succes met je lopen, je bent van harte welkom in het Haagse (google "Fysio en Zo Jacky" en je vindt me vast ;-).
Thjeko 1 year ago
@Thjeko "Pose" is just another word for biochemically efficient running. No pronation or supination and no hard heel striking. The goal is to hit the ground with the center of your foot. Compare videos of elite athletes and they have very efficient biomechanics. Yet arent necessarily pose runners.
dollyolld 2 years ago
@dollyolld I'm okay with that.
Some pronation is okay though, as it dampens part of the impact from landing. I rather use the word LAND OVER the ball of the foot instead of HIT WITH (just sounds too hard and active).
I will not label an elite runner as a poserunner, if he doesn't know about (and is trained via) Pose Method (PM). Athletes that improve their running via PM often call themselves "poserunners".
Thjeko 2 years ago
I don't think this video is a fair comparison. The runners that are running their own style appear to be in the later stages of racing a triathlon, whereas the "pose" runners appear to be posing. The first runner is doing strides on a football field, the second runner is running along the beach doing strides, the third and forth runners are doing strides down the street. I think it would be a fair comparison if these pose runners was actually racing.
dollyolld 2 years ago 2
@dollyolld; You are right and I pointed that out in the info block that comes with the vid; "It seems honest to mention that the runners running their own style were performing in a race, this is in contrast to the Pose trained runners. Perhaps you've missed it.
Thjeko 2 years ago
I did have video footages from the "own style runners" right after the start of this short duathlon. But as the pack of runners was too crowded than, I prefered to use the vid in which you see them run solo. As the characteristics of the "own style" runners (described in the info block) showed the same at the start of the race it didn't make much difference for the purpose of this vid.
Thjeko 2 years ago
In discussions about running form, it is often said that every humanbody (with its own individual characteristics) has its own natural runningstyle, which doesn't need education as the body knows how to work that out best by itself.
For a small amount of genetic gifted athletes this might be true. Nevertheless for most of us plodders, some education in running skills wouldn't be such a bad idea ;-).
Thjeko 2 years ago
pose running looks like less energy loss.
strikernl 2 years ago
@strikernl
Not really.
More energy is conserved when you land on the middle of the foot.
When you land on the heel, your lower leg acts as a brake. As a result, more energy is used (landing on the heel).
mark95427 1 year ago