lattice fin design bleeds "less" not more energy. the only time when a lattice fin design is inferior to a delta wing design like that on the AIM 120 is if the missile is cruising at subsonic or close to mach 1 speeds. thats why the R77 is known as a high speed amraam and has better turn rate, and higher energy to pursue its target during end game engagement
more furl and bigger engine hurt balistics because they also increase the overall geometry.
While these are truly in design, BVR combat is basically non-existant in today's world. US pretty much rules the skies without competition. Still the F/A-22 version and B versions are more than enough to knock any plane out of the sky.
I doubt the new version of the Amraam will come to fruition.
@whatthehell81 BVR combat is useless, either it will miss or run out of power before it can hit anything, youre not targeting inmovile airplanes that keep their heading, even now the AMRAAM (AIM-120) its pointless, only for big airplanes with low manouverability cant avoid them,
long range missiles are on their last days i think, only cruise missiles will prevail in the future, and better short range missiles, like a GPS guided missile =D
@Loxleiev This was true 20 years ago. But electronics and propulsion have advance rapidly since then. Now you have more processing power in your digital wristwatch then was available to a combat aircrafts of the 70s.
That is only true to an extend if it is fired at a short range (10nm or less). However, if both missiles were fired at their maximum range, for the Aim-120, it would be 30nm, the R-77 has a much higher chance of hitting its target simply due to the fact that it has more kinetic energy than the Aim-120 would. Reason is the guidance system on the Aim-120 depends on fins which bleeds kinetic energy while the waffle fins on the R-77 uses very little kinetic energy to manuever the missile.
No to mention that the R-77 has fins which gives it body lift that runs down the length of the mid section giving it a much better vertical ballistic properties allowing it to hit targets high above the shooting aircraft.
Now, the R-77 radar system isn't as perfect as the Aim-120 is so if you stuck an Aim-120 guidance system in an R-77, you're talkin' the best AAM in the world.
Although one thing needs to be understood about maximum range.
Maximum range is always based on intial velocity and incoming velocity, in other words the speed of the shooting aircraft and the speed of the incoming aircraft. True maximum range is if the missile was fired from a stand still position to the point at which the missile starts to lose lift, which normally is about 60% of their maximum range.
No, i dunno about f-15 but amraam is pretty easy to fuckoff with anti rocket maneur "kadushka" (google it) without loosing lock on enemy plane. also dunno for new modification of amraam.
It doesn't have a very long burn time.
stalkingalizee 9 months ago
ITS DESIGN IS AWESOME
MrAmardeep123456 9 months ago
best air to air missle in the world
longliveegypt1 1 year ago
what's the song ?
Arafit 1 year ago
@eighenvalue
lattice fin design bleeds "less" not more energy. the only time when a lattice fin design is inferior to a delta wing design like that on the AIM 120 is if the missile is cruising at subsonic or close to mach 1 speeds. thats why the R77 is known as a high speed amraam and has better turn rate, and higher energy to pursue its target during end game engagement
more furl and bigger engine hurt balistics because they also increase the overall geometry.
Tomahawk1999 1 year ago
@eighenvalue
Actualy grid fins have all over better aerodynamics - aspecialy at supersonic - and by design they need smaller actuators
Absolude advantage over plain wings
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
Have you done your research on the MOAB? You can ask the Americans why they took the R-77's fin design.
Ichikisu 2 years ago 4
There are new AMRAAM designs with a maximum range of about 114 km.
whatthehell81 2 years ago
While these are truly in design, BVR combat is basically non-existant in today's world. US pretty much rules the skies without competition. Still the F/A-22 version and B versions are more than enough to knock any plane out of the sky.
I doubt the new version of the Amraam will come to fruition.
Ichikisu 2 years ago
@whatthehell81 BVR combat is useless, either it will miss or run out of power before it can hit anything, youre not targeting inmovile airplanes that keep their heading, even now the AMRAAM (AIM-120) its pointless, only for big airplanes with low manouverability cant avoid them,
long range missiles are on their last days i think, only cruise missiles will prevail in the future, and better short range missiles, like a GPS guided missile =D
Loxleiev 8 months ago
@Loxleiev
wrong! is the other way.. BVR is the future..
we will see less and less close combats.. because of modern misiles
can do today. To take down enemies before they even had a chance to fight back..
Vann7 8 months ago 3
@Loxleiev This was true 20 years ago. But electronics and propulsion have advance rapidly since then. Now you have more processing power in your digital wristwatch then was available to a combat aircrafts of the 70s.
lanunselat 1 month ago
So much for the amraam. Imagine if an f-15 ans a su-30 fired their missiles at the same time?
Both planes would still be shot down with those active radar seekers.
Poseidon500 2 years ago 2
That is only true to an extend if it is fired at a short range (10nm or less). However, if both missiles were fired at their maximum range, for the Aim-120, it would be 30nm, the R-77 has a much higher chance of hitting its target simply due to the fact that it has more kinetic energy than the Aim-120 would. Reason is the guidance system on the Aim-120 depends on fins which bleeds kinetic energy while the waffle fins on the R-77 uses very little kinetic energy to manuever the missile.
Ichikisu 2 years ago
Well, you know what I meant. In theory it could happen.
Poseidon500 2 years ago
Well, in theory it could happen. BTW, thanks for posting this.
Poseidon500 2 years ago
You're welcome mate. Just gives some insight for others to wonder about. ^_^
Ichikisu 2 years ago
No to mention that the R-77 has fins which gives it body lift that runs down the length of the mid section giving it a much better vertical ballistic properties allowing it to hit targets high above the shooting aircraft.
Now, the R-77 radar system isn't as perfect as the Aim-120 is so if you stuck an Aim-120 guidance system in an R-77, you're talkin' the best AAM in the world.
Although one thing needs to be understood about maximum range.
Ichikisu 2 years ago
Maximum range is always based on intial velocity and incoming velocity, in other words the speed of the shooting aircraft and the speed of the incoming aircraft. True maximum range is if the missile was fired from a stand still position to the point at which the missile starts to lose lift, which normally is about 60% of their maximum range.
Ichikisu 2 years ago
Yes. when they say maximum range, they usually mean against a plane that is coming at them head on.
Poseidon500 2 years ago
No, i dunno about f-15 but amraam is pretty easy to fuckoff with anti rocket maneur "kadushka" (google it) without loosing lock on enemy plane. also dunno for new modification of amraam.
clouster75 2 years ago
INTO F16 YYEAA!!!
tetejac57 3 years ago
Well done Otlichno!!!
su27forserbia 3 years ago