@krunkmasterj Life is short, and we only get the one here on Earth...so when confronted with 2,000+ year old Bronze Age regurgitation in modern day, well, patience is not a virtue. I wholeheartedly agree with the late Christopher Hitchens on the topic of debating religion; the only sensible response to religion is ridicule. Laugh at it until it dies its well deserved and long overdue death of humiliation. And if you think Atheists can't debate "intelligently" look up Stephen Fry.
@TheGunpowderTreason if there is a god and u deny him there is a big chance u might go to hell, but if there isnt a god and u believe there is, WHAT DO U LOSE lol?? be smart about it
@krunkmasterj Did you seriously just try and pull Pascal's Wager on me? Really? Come on dude, this is the twenty first century, that line was old and bunko the second it popped into Pascal's brain.Give your invisible Sky-Father a little more credit than that.
This video shows us again, the power of arguments lead by a lot of atheists, who rather clever mockery and dummy stuff instead intelectual debate or disagreement. What is the evidence? That we can find a lot of HATERED AND PASSION. It would be ineteresting, by the way, if I could find a decent atheist who can use a civilized way of speech and of adress to those who disagree his points of view...
@robilo100 Oh those kind of atheists aren't hard to find...they're just kind of boring. If one wanted to dedicate a lengthy session to a purely "high brow" refutation of religion they most certainly could, the problem is why waste the time? Are we really concerned about why the Gods of Mount Olympus don't control every facet of our existence anymore? Are we that worried about offending the Native American spirits of nature? Of course not. The Christian God is just another character.
@Uushilumbu79 I'd say "thank god I allow the option for you to like or dislike my video instead of rejecting criticism like certain douche-bags who appear in this video but will not be named" but I only use god and his mythology for content. I can't very well go around and thank a ficticious character for things in reality, that would just be silly.
"You need to watch your hate speech, it's way too revealing."
How ironic, especially after attacking your atheist viewers as leading "adulterous, or chemically addicted, or money worshiping, or power hungry, or attention crazed, or over-the-top self-consciousness, or pride filled, or otherwise promiscuous lives."
@joshm60 I'm glad there is an uncensored version of this video. I tried to post the previous comment on the original video and got the dreaded "comment pending approval."
Through my years I've become CONVINCED that Christianity is only a tool used by leaders to sway the masses in their favor. It is such a pleasant fantasy that the good go to heaven, the bad go to hell, you are the divine son of the god that controls everything, that he loves you infinitely and is always there for you. Anyone who knows something about Power knows how powerful fantasies are on the human mind. Why tell the truth when you can play people's fantasies to your advantage?
@1Timothy313 Riiiiiight, I "twisted" what he had to say...of coooooourse I did. Mr.Voris is just another innocent victim of the evil liberal bias that twists and corrupts all good minded souls who make the same fatal mistake of making a public presentation. Of course he didn't advocate that the American Government, a Democratic Republic, should be removed in favor of a Theocratic Christian Monarchy...that was just me putting words in his mouth. You figured our evil plot out...GOLD STAR FOR YOU!
@1Timothy313 Hey Tim, that cunt Voris is well due being taken down a peg or two. Did ya happen to miss how he referred to us as slaves. Unintentionally honest there. I'm sure you'll get over your religious conditioning someday.
I find his Holcoaust denial, virulent anti-semitism, anti-environemnt, malevolent homophobia, and his Cathollic monarchy video which practically is an act of treason pretty much enough to make this man not only out to be an idiot but absolutely fucking evil.
Monarchy- A ruler, decended from a royal family which has ruled over the nation for centuries before, their power given to them by god, they follow christendom, adn think for their people, aside from athiest power hungry fools
Dictatorship-an athiest leader, who makes not regards for his people, takes over an innoeceont courty by force and rules over by strict military
Monarchy=republic>democracy>dictatorship
Not enoguh space to put the differences between republic and democracy, sorry ;)
@Varyalover Look, I try to be nice with responses when I can be...but this is the absolutely dumbest comment I've seen in recent memory. Did you do any research AT ALL before writing? In our vaunted "Information Age" it's absolutely inexcusable. Let me correct these malformed definitions of yours with a few very short, quick, easily verifiable facts:
1)Monarchs are Christian? Afraid not. King Abdullah bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud (MUSLIM King of Saudi Arabia), Sultan of Brunei (Sultan = Monarch).
History is littered with non-Christian monarchs; one could even argue North Korea is a Monarchy. Do you think the rule of Kim Jong Il, his father and more than likely his son is granted by the Christian God?
2) The only discernible, logical difference between a Monarchy and a Dictatorship is the hereditary transfer of power. Both are autocratic and traditionally control the military.
Put some thought into your comments next time you feel like fumbling through weak atheist slander.
@CBlargh Yeah...turns out I've been misspelling the word "Atheist" for a while. I used to assume that it was spelled the way it's commonly pronounced, but obviously I got that one wrong.
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And yes, this guy is a freak. Once someone closes their mind to obvious and self-discernible facts in the real world and chooses the simplicity of someone else's pre-processed ideas...well, people like Michael Vorris is what you end up with.
This is the biggest troll video. I stopped watching after 0:30. When someone claims that Hitler was a Catholic dictatorship, you know that you are dealing with an intentional liar. Actions prove louder than words.
@assasincomedy You're right, actions do prove louder than words. As much "in dispute" as Hitler's religion is in the eyes of contemporary apologists and arm-chair historians, there's not much more to say than the man himself. Mein Kampf has several references to the Christian God (or some allusions to him), need I bring up the enscription on the German Infantry issued belt buckles again? And who did Hitler target...Jews, homsexuals and other "social deviants"...kind of like Catholics often do.
@TheGunpowderTreason Well said! Also, not to mention that Hitlers first treaty was with the Vatican, thus creating an alliance with the Catholic church and the Third Reich.
@michpottier Wrong kiddo. The concordat secularised the state. Meaning the church had to get out of politics. It was not an alliance as we saw when Hitler broke his side of the bargin.
@Ohyewildthong Yes buuut. "The German Catholic Church has rescinded its ban on joining the Nazi Party. The Catholic Centre party has dissolved itself. [And Articles 31 and 32 prevent any revival of this democratic Catholic party which had opposed the Nazis.] In the Reichskonkordat, the Vatican has promised that German Bishops and their subordinates will be obedient to and honour the Nazi state (Article 16). It has promised that German Catholic educators will teach children Nazi doctrine"
@TheGunpowderTreason He also targeted Catholics and for your info, Caths and Pius XII saved numerous Jews during WWII. Also, the Christian God should not be mixed in with Hitlers God whom he made up to suit his own beliefs. To him, Jesus fought against the Jews, to us He converted them. Even if Hitler was Catholic, it isn't proof that the whole religion is bad because you can't ignore the fact that Caths, including Salazar whose regime I don't agree with, saved thousands of Jews. But then again,
@TheGunpowderTreason if Pius XII and the other Caths were atheist you'd jump to their defense wouldn't you because they at least had pure intentioins right? Actions prove louder than words, and Caths actions did throughout history. I'm not against Cath theocracy as it can and did work well, but in this day and age, while it wouldn't be harmful for the Catholic religion to be recognized as the state religion, forbidding public worship of other religions just wouldn't work. Extra ecclisiam nulla
@TheGunpowderTreason salus but you don't have to be liberal to respect the choice of people to build temples. Hell, Pius IX, conservative as he was permitted Judaism to be legal and for synagogues to be built and he restricted their place to live in to one part of Rome while forbidding public Protestantism (obvious really). It may have worked before but today, no. The Church still has the right to expose modernists and false teachers in its fold who are supposed to be obedient to her but aren't.
I doubt if he ever did. Many Jews including Golda Meir - not a softy - thanked Pius XII for his action during WW2. In fact, the great Rabbi of Rome converted to catholicism and took Eugenio as his christian name which was the pope's original first name.
TheGunpowderTreason, You are pretty good painter to make any thing looks ugly, the master of the ugliness. When the devil decided not to serve God, He became the most ugly of all the creatures of God. And His true colors are white and black, when you put these 2 colors together, you will get gray color of hatred on the livE of Evil.
Not Official Vortex Segment. It was edited by Lucifer Satan, or Emperer Palpatine. I can tell because of the noise and distractions to try and pull my attention away from the foundation of truth which is the Catholic Faith. None believer's tend to do what Satan does and try and scare us by making noise along with throwing fire balls with rude statements coming at us in 3-D. God Bless You All!
@TheGunpowderTreason screw that point, this guy can only adress a point in the video meant for comic relief rather than any actual point made by this video (thanks to TheGunPowderTreason for assuring me i wasnt the only one thinking that jason is a dumbass)
this was hilarious after watching a few of his videos..I can't even comment or even dislike them! the Catholic perspective of people like this guy is scary, and he is angry at Catholics who act like normal people lol
@Sideofyams "God is a personal god, have faith in him"
No I don't think I will, thank you. The belief in a personal God just illustrates an unfortunate shortcoming in your own life, a shortcoming that forces you to seek approval from a supernatural, mythological figment. I won't waste time guessing what this particular shortcoming is, be it abuse or neglect or confusion...all I can say is that I'm sorry. I'm truly sorry for whatever happened to you, and I hope that you can find peace in reality
@drdst17 As soon as people stop believing in their imaginary friends than I will gladly "grow up", but until Jesus, Allah, Faith and Teddy Ruxpin are all in the same moldy, cardboard box in the basement marked "Kids Stuff" I shall resist!
@TheGunpowderTreason Christ died for your sins, whether you decide to believe that or not. You'll find that out one day, when your short life eventually comes to an end. Don't forget to put that "Atheism" back into the cardboard box where you got it once you are done with it.
@drdst17 I agree with the demonstrable fact of Evolution, hence the mythological story of the creator deity of the Judeo-Christian tradition making the first pair of humans, known better as "The Book of Genesis 1-3" is just as demonstrably false. Since the fictional character of "Eve" did not consume of piece of forbidden fruit and cause the homo sapien species to be exiled from the fictional "Garden of Eden" the concept of "Original Sin" is also invalid, hence the fictional sacrifice of Jesus
not only never occurred, but even if the character was based on a real life individual who was executed by the Roman Empire, did not sacrifice himself to atone/forgive the "sins" of the homo-sapien species.
Jesus didn't die for our sins. Jesus didn't die, because as far as evidence and reasonable discourse can illustrate, he more than likely never existed outside of folklore and oral storytelling.
Don't throw the protagonist of your mythology at me and expect anything substantial.
@TheGunpowderTreason Like most Atheists, you say so much to say so little. Considering that your first statement "I agree with the demonstrable fact of Evolution" is false, it makes EVERYTHING you said after it completely moot.
I don't argue facts. Since you don't believe in "facts" and follow only your own hedonistic religion (atheism), I'll leave this conversation now and just pray for you.
May God grant you the grace and peace in your life to find Him one day.
@drdst17 Like most idiots...and I was wrestling with the proper term to use in describing you but this one does seem most appropriate...you have decided to abandon reason, rational thought and critical thinking because the end result is inconvenient for you. You like what religious mythology has to offer, so everything that contradicts that, despite its own provable veracity, is false and part of some hedonistic atheist conspiracy. I'm sorry you've been indoctrinated against common sense. Bye.
In addition, Hitler could hardly be considered Catholic. The man wanted to tear apart the institutional church and always feared the power of the Pope (he wanted every city to have a "pope"). Plus his interest in the occult is heretical to say the least.
Finally, your little kill counter should read quite a bit higher for athiests. Those communist regimes certainly weren't Catholic, or religious in any way. (you'd need 8 figures for the lot of 'em).
@lawwellsy You've missed the point on the kill counter, let me explain;
When a Catholic -or to be fair anyone- kills another human being due to the influence of their faith (ie "In the name of God", "Holy War", "Protect the faith", "Jihad" inspired violence, "kill the infidels", "Convert to save your soul!" yadda yadda) I blame that faith because it inspired the mentality to justify the act of violence. Atheists don't hide their actions behind the magical sky wizard and falsely justify murder.
@TheGunpowderTreason I should think that an absence of faith is equally to blame. Communist ideologues had no faith, and yet they murdered "for the revolution". And the Terror in France... well, they certainly weren't doing it for any god (save reason).
The important point is that faith doesn't need to be in the Divine for there to be slaughter in the name of that faith, and so athiests are just as inspired by faith, only their faith is not in the Divine.
@lawwellsy An absence of faith is a presence of reason. I'm not painting religion as the only source of murder in human history, that would be foolish. I would argue that it would be equally foolish to deny the effect and ability to inspire violence and murderous intent that religion also has.
And which definition of "Faith" are you going by? What it means in the religious context as compared to how it is used in the common vernacular are two fundamentally different concepts.
@TheGunpowderTreason If an absence of faith is the presence of reason, and you have no faith, then you have no faith that your computer will work, that people won't murder you, etc. This is naturally absurd, and I know you don't mean it. But faith, whether in God, a machine, a man, or whatever, is fundamentally an act of trust. That's the fundamental definition, and anything else is semantics and hair-splitting.
@lawwellsy But what is the foundation of your faith? If I have faith that my computer will turn on than it's because I have a realistic expectation based on the fact that it worked last time I turned it on, I maintain it pretty damn well and we didn't have any power surges or lightening storms that would affect it. I have faith that if I drop a book it will fall to the ground because gravity is still in effect and physics still works. There is no rational basis for faith in God(s).
@TheGunpowderTreason I'm honestly not sure that I can give you a satisfactory answer, but I will give you an honest one. My foundation is personal testimony. I testify to God's existence because I perceive it in the world, and in my life. His provision is always there. I pray to Him, and He answers me. In dreams, and in writing, and in the world. The key is, I think, expectant faith, and an observant eye. I wasn't sure on the former, but I did have the latter, and so I believe.
@TheGunpowderTreason If you want a fuller story of my conversion, as it were (I am, and always have been, Catholic), then I'd be happy to give it to you. But it's best as a PM, and if you don't want to hear it, then I won't force it.
You are quite ignorant - a monarchy can allow a libertarian society to flourish, just as a democracy can be tyrannical and totalitarian. If you want to see an example of the latter, go to Europe and yell on the streets "Mohammed was a paedophile". I guarantee you'll be in the dock quicksmart. And the former? Well, I need only point to Monaco and Lichtenstein as my examples there (semi-absolute, and Catholic).
@lawwellsy Once again, Monarchies are great as long as you agree with the policies and practices of your monarchs. All a true Monarchy is is a hereditary dictatorship, and we can see through some examples of contemporary Monarchies that you don't cite as examples (a few in the Middle East undergoing a little Democratic revolution come to mind) that it's really less the system and more how it is administered. As a rule of thumb I prefer to side with democracy; replaceable executives are good.
@TheGunpowderTreason Quite right on the system not being as important as its administration - subsidiarity is the principle and it's supported by the Church. Voris himself espouses it here: watch?v=rl-S5BBK86I&feature=related. The primary thing I want to combat though is the impression that democracy and freedom are synonymous. They're not. A peasant could have walked into Versailles and met Louis XIV. To meet Obama, you need a very fat pocketbook. Definitely not as close, or as free.
@lawwellsy Oh I agree, America hasn't had a true Democracy in quite a while. We've gone from a Democracy to a Democratic Republic to the Corporatist/semi-Fascist mess we're in today. I'm often at odds with mainstream political ideas because I'm a far leaning progressive; looking at the political discourse of our country nowadays is painful when you realize just how far away from ideas like Democracy and freedom we as a nation have strayed. A Theological Monarchy is still the absolute worst tho'
@TheGunpowderTreason America has never been a "true" democracy. It was founded as a constitutional republic. The authors of the Constitution thought the idea repugnant, and I'll let them speak on that regard (as I haven't studied the area). But you're not alone in being at odds with society - I'm a Jacobite Traditionalist Tory (American conservatives are almost always mere Whigs). So, we're in similar positions, but from opposite angles. It's actually a bit funny.
@lawwellsy I always like meeting rational people from the "other side", whether it be in person or in writing. I like to scrape past the obvious differences and dredge up the similarities instead, and work out from there.
What a poor excuse for a human. And why does he hold a pencil that he never uses except for when he's trying to look cool in his intro? Pretentious fuck.
If there is anything to take away from the revolts in the Middle East, it's that people like this guy will never succeed, ever. The ones trying to impose these ideas can't in this world of free information, and those already in power have their days numbered.
@spartacus6839 I made this video because I think Michael Vorris is a douche-bag. The only thing I'm "searching" for is lulz, which I tend to get when researching theology.
But you are right about one thing in particular...we do have a certain amount of time left on this Earth...and I intend to do whatever I can to make that time meaningful and enjoyable. The concept of an afterlife, while enticing, is implausible, unproveable and just one of the ways Religious parasites prey on your fear.
@spartacus6839 others need to follow those same rules as law, that's where the "do as you please" stops and the "keep thy faith to thyself" needs be enforced. I have a perfectly clear CONSCIENCE and live a happy, guilt free life without the idea of passing my own blame and misery off on some mystical father-figure. I deal with my own issues without resorting to scapegoats and wizards...and I gotta say it just seems healthier and a bit more mature. Live your own life and see things on your own.
@spartacus6839 If people can find some kind of joy by surrendering their time and resources to a higher power than great for them. It's their lives and they can do what they will...I'm big on personal freedoms, side effect of my liberal perspectives I suppose. I'll point out that I think it's a waste of time and the people administering the ideas of a higher power are taking pure advantage of them, but I still believe it's their right to do as they please. Now, when people start saying that
@spartacus6839 It's not that I don't care about salvation...I just don't believe we need it. At least not from an institution like the Catholic Church...or any church actually. I'm under the impression that all the things we need salvation for are completely fictional, created by -most conveniently- the Churches who say we need them. I disagree wholeheartedly. I disagree with every aspect of my moral, rational self. Humankind got on just fine before the concept of religion came about.
@TheGunpowderTreason ...e, not just phrases within the argument. Strip away my rhetoric and read what I have written. I look forward to a response. God bless.
@TheGunpowderTreason ...ust a monkey. The ability to reason makes us able to determine right and wrong, to learn, to study, and to come to philosophical truths like the necessity of a first efficient cause or the spiritual reality of the soul (Aristotle). An ape is an ape. A man is a man. They do not become anything more or less. Evolutionary theory gives us skeletons of ancestors, but they are still MEN, not just "awesome monkeys." In closing, try to re-read and attack my arguments next tim...
@TheGunpowderTreason ...n intrinsic value to it, because of the HUMAN person. Man is man, and can not have become man from another thing. There would be no sense in man coming from an ape. Related, maybe. But man still has reason, an intellect, a true will. We abstract, we develop sciences and philosophies. Monkeys and apes do not. Why devalue your personhood by saying it is really just another animal? I am not just a monkey. I am so much more than that. I may be related somehow but I am not j..
@TheGunpowderTreason ...ner. There is no comparison. Sex feels great, which we both agreed on. Just because sex no longer HAS TO result in pregnancy, doesn't change the fact that the purpose is in fact to PROCREATE. An earlier comment where I said "life is a perfect thing," I wasn't saying that each individual moment within life is perfect. I was highlighting the fact that it is better to exist than to not exist. Poverty is awful, but that doesn't mean that life is not worth living. Life has a..
@TheGunpowderTreason Sorry, class has been killing me. Before I begin, I want to point out that you didn't get at the root of a single of my arguments. You merely state "there is no God," prattle on about science saving the world, and leaving it at that. But, especially at the topic of sexuality, that is definitely untrue. Re-read my comments on the AIDS epidemic. Look at the failure/std rates of contraceptives vs. abstinence. Who wins in the game of life? The abstinent, or those with 1 part...
@jantoniello Here we go again (sad trombone wah-wah-waaah)
As much as I enjoy the occasional back-and-forth I can't keep writing the number "4" on the board and have the class continue to ask me what 2+2 equals. If you want a very basic answer to your questions, one that you can be satisfied with, here you go:
GOD IS FICTION. Any rules derived from that god's supposed teachings or done to appease him are IMMORAL. I'm sorry if you've fallen prey to history's greatest con-job, but here you are.
@jantoniello Now of course your immediate reaction will be to think "he's ignoring my point again!" to which I can assure you, I have ready everything you've said...to the detriment of my own free time I have read every single word. Here's the core of our disagreement: you have failed to apply logic to the facets of your own beliefs. You reject the knowledge derived from your fellow man, knowledge that when applied to ourselves has only improved our quality of life. You think we owe it all to
@jantoniello the great magic wizard behind the scenes. The same (or very similar) great magic wizard that exists in stories all around the world. With so many to choose from, why settle for the one popular in this region? It's beyond arrogance to claim that your specific mythology has the answers to the riddles of life and claim it's teachings should be law while both providing no verifiable evidence for its veracity and being proven demonstrably wrong on almost every point made. Religion is a
@jantoniello hobby that should be shelved next to the other primitive beliefs of our ancestors. The world is not flat, the sky is not glass or a veneer with holes punched in it to allow stars to shine at night, and God does not live in a cloudbank. I am in no way devaluing humanity by acknowledging that we came from simpler organisms, I'd argue that fact makes humanity greater still. We're not "chosen" or "special" or entangled with the great destiny of the cosmos, we are animals that gained
@jantoniello higher brain functions, juswt like the bears got claws and the birds got wings and nylonase got the ability to digest nylon. For what it's worth I'm sorry that this has been done to you. I'm sorry that at an early age (I'm assuming) your basic worldview was corrupted and the cracks and fissures in your ability to understand the world was filled with supernatural tales of deities and magic apples. I'm sorry that the filter cemented onto your perspective has made you both fact
@jantoniello resistant and reliant on your attackers for what you have been told is "truth". It pains me that you can't appreciate the natural world for what it is and instead must conform it to the terms laid out by sinister fiction. I'm truly sorry that as long as you're trapped by this way of thinking you will be working against your own interests as an organism and a part of nature.
But enough apologies. The impass we face is, as I just railed on, I keep my mind open to all posibilities and
@jantoniello accept our part in the natural order. You labor under the thought that ours is a world contrived by the will of a magician who places restrictions on what we do in order to appease himself. I trust science over religion in every conceivable way because science is OURS. Our understanding, our rational minds and desire to know formed science...and it excludes no one based on who they are.
Humanity is better than God. God is a product of the human mind, as is science. And to date
@jantoniello science has been a shitload more useful. You may have noticed I didn't mention the other topics brought up here, especially regarding sexual morality. Mores and regulations derived from religious inspiration, regardless of their independent validity, are in my eyes poisonous fruit and therefore immoral. I'll go by human derived knowledge over divined anytime
On a side note, I hope your classes go well, I'm taking a few courses myself and it just eats the heart out of my spare time.
George Carlin wasn't kidding when he said that religion was the biggest bullshit story ever told. And this Voris douchebag is up to his eyeballs in it.
@theGunpowderTreason Thank you for making this video! I am still wondering how Michael Voris is able to find subscribers. Oh, well... the world is filled with diversity =)
Wow, this video has been getting more attention now than when I put it up. Lots of commenting to do, but I think I'll just put up a sequel video in the near future to answer most of these questions and nitpicks. I've got studying to do, tests to take and a job to find, so we'll see how the world treats my free time.
Side note: I find it ironic that your tag is @TheGunpowderTreason when the entire purpose of that act was to...RESTORE A CATHOLIC MONARCHY. Oh...irony of ironies.
@jantoniello I have to say I didn't plan on such a depth of intent when choosing my user name for Youtube (and also Xbox Live consequently). I just went through some pictures from a trip I took to England and was reminded of an afternoon I spent in Knaresborough. I found a nice, small pub that had the table from Guy Fawkes' home and had a pint of hard cider with my parents.
Besides, seeing how the character that inspired the phrase is used today, I'd like to associate more with that.
In sum, your response is not a good one. It is uninformed about the actuality of Church teaching, philosophy and even Voris's comments overall. Try to understand why the Church says what it says, believes what it believes before you try any sort of response to it...especially one as poor as this.
@jantoniello Sorry I'm just getting back to this, I've got a life to lead which only allows marginal time for "fun" things like this.
"Try to understand why the Church says what it says, believes what it believes"
I don't need to understand why an organization believes what it believes, I make my judgements based on the results. The Catholic Church's best intentions are irrelevant when they promote things like not using birth control or oppression of homosexuals. I care about effect, not cause
@TheGunpowderTreason I will have to be stepping away soon myself...so many papers to write!
That last sentence about sums up an atheist's perspective (at least, the majority of modern atheists). "I care about effect, not cause." But in the cause lays the ultimate reason for each effect. One should not take the effect as a greater case than the cause. I imagine we both agree that life is a great and perfect thing, but the Catholic (even some atheist personalists) would argue that ALL life has...
@jantoniello Ask those of less fortunate circumstances if life is "perfect" and I doubt they'll agree. In fact, let me put my opinion out there: I'm a caucasian male in his 30's from a stable, loving, fairly affluent upper-middle class family...I've never been hungry or depreived of anything I've needed, I've been well educated and things generally tend to go my way...and I would never ever even consider calling life "perfect".
"Great" certainly, but not even remotely close to perfect.
@TheGunpowderTreason ...worth. The case against birth control goes back to the purpose of things, as opposed to the accidents thereof, i.e. sex being for procreation, not only pleasure, which is also the response to homosexual acts. The Church is not burning homosexuals, nor saying God hates them; rather, God loves them as they are, and asks them to respect the order in which man is made. Some within the Church might, but they are misguided (much like the Westboros, which you have in the vid)...
1st big problem with the idea that sex must only be used for reproduction...IT FEELS GOOD. True this is more than likely a trait that got picked up through evolution (our ancestor[s] that had more fun in the breeding phase more than likely bred more than others) and I'm sorry if it sounds glib or simple, but I refuse the blanket response of "it's there so God can test us" or "it's there NOT to be used". I'm not a straight hedonist, but if we are afforded some experience by our -
@jantoniello -nature that is enjoyable or constructive and isn't harmful to ourselves or others than why deny ourselves such a thing? We live in the age when sex doesn't have to result in offspring, where the mechanisms that encourage us to behave a certain way, our instincts so to speak, can be satiated but without the consequences our ancestors had to bear...
Oh yeah...antiquated moral values that existed BEFORE our advantages of technology and understanding are forced upon such activities.
@TheGunpowderTreason ...The Church speaks of love and dignity of the human person, and sexual morality is very central to this dignity. It calls for a higher respect of the other, eventually the Divine Other, and oneself. Negative side-effects of the rampant sexuality, such as STDs, are still rising, even with condoms. Abortions are higher, even with birth control. But yet, you still say the Church is in the wrong in their defense of all life. I look forward to your response.
@jantoniello Divinity is a concept that has led to ruination and corruption more than anyone's salvation. It is an impossible standard that people break themselves to pieces trying to meet. WE ARE ANIMALS in every sense of the word...morphology, biology, behavior- we are just awesome monkeys. We as a species have had the luck of posessing more functional brains than some of our fellow fauna, but this doesn't give us anything remotely close to supernatural powers of insight or knowledge of gods
...the culture of sex that continues to spread the virus. The understanding of sex's PURPOSE needs to be taught and, in turn, the AIDS epidemic will begin to cease. 33000000 people have AIDS in the world, 22mil of which are in Africa. Are condoms doing their job? Obviously not. Abstinence works, is realistic and I would wager that - not counting Children - less than 1% of the total AIDS population is made up of abstinent humans (probably all other STDs too)
@jantoniello The intented purpose of sex is both obvious and irrelevant, so to speak. It doesn't matter what a thing is for, how we use it ultimately defines that thing. Use a blade in the kitchen and it's a tool- use it on the battlefield and it's a weapon. Same thing here. Have sex to have kids, it's reproduction...have it for fun and it's...well...awesome. That's what the PURPOSE of sex is...its defined by the ones having it and not stuffy virgins quoting their 2,000 year old desert stories
@TheGunpowderTreason You highlight very well here what Pope Benedict calls the dictatorship of relativism (i.e. no objective standard), as you say "[sex's purpose] is defined by those having it." Yes, sex is amazing but that is an accident (in the metaphysical use of this term) of its purpose, which is to procreate. A knife is a knife, however it is used. It is an object made to cut. However it is used is irrelevant, in battle or the kitchen: it does its PURPOSE.
@jantoniello It's personally hard to take what Benny says seriously...a man that eager to protect an obsolete institution over human life and decency is, in my opinion, an absolute monster who requires mockery and expulsion from any seat of authority. But I digress, back to the matter at hand. Benny's "Dictatorship of Relativism" disallows for things like the expansion of human experience and the evolution of social values. By that standard what was true in times before science and understanding
@jantoniello -is still true now. It is painfully obvious that this is a mentality of someone who is unwilling to adapt with modern thought and concept...someone who would rather cling to the archaic, outmoded, disproven and obsolete views of previous generations instead of taking an account of the modern world and trying to reconcile with it. Religion, especially Benny's, is a chain bolted to the ankles of progress- it's only functions we have long since evolved past as a species and a society.
...and you will see what the Church actually says in regards to this practice. The dictatorship of relativism is a PHILOSOPHY with no standards and no set rules; it is anarchic in the worst possible way. A Catholic philosophy stands in opposition to that: we have standards, rules, and the Natural Law to back it up. Fourthly, the Pope's lecture on condom use is one that must be spoken of in great depth, but I can summarize in this way: condoms themselves may prevent HIV outbreaks, but it is...
The United States was founded in opposition to a non-benevolent dictator, a non-Catholic monarchy. The benevolent king (in theory) would hold up natural law, and this should inform the state law, much like Plato, Augustine, Thomas More, etc. have proposed. This would not be discrimination, but rather an informed, philosophic response to our failed democracy. Also, when has Pope Benedict ever called for gays to be burned at the stake? Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church on homosexuality...
@jantoniello Are you a half witted revisionist or just really that uninformed of American History...
The Puritans...the original "founders" if you will...were Calvanists and former PROTESTANTS. They were upset that the English reformation didn't go far enough to excise Catholic teachings and practices from the new church. How do you get less Catholic than that? They didn't flee merry ol' England because the dictator was non-benevolent (a perversion of semantics if ever there were any).
@TheGunpowderTreason The Puritans came to America to flee persecution of their faith, not only because of a theological dispute. America - the United States as so founded by Washington, Jefferson, etc. - was to shed the colonies of the non-benevolent dictator that was King George III (including the issues of taxation w/o representation, etc.) Re-read your history, or at least learn what I mean by each argument I put forth.
These atheist governments STILL kill and oppress their people (read: China, North Korea). I would be willing to argue Hitler's atheism and the Nazi's as atheists as such, if you desire. Secondly, Voris calls for a Catholic monarchy because of the failure of the Democratic Republic in which we live. Most tend to hate politics, and mostly that comes from politicians failing to do what we want them to do. We can oust them and fix it from within, or sit with it until the chickens come to roost...
Failure of our democracy? When did our democracy fail? Has a dictator stepped into the White House and burned Congress to the ground? Yeah our current political situation is crappy (if you watch MSNBC and FoxNews it's like the apocalypse is coming) but our system has not failed. Failure would be a theocracy, especailly a Catholic monarchy, taking power. When a government decides against being Seccular than someone loses, either through sanctioned oppression or extra taxation.
I realize this was posted almost a year ago, but here goes: This video does not respond to Voris on the level he is speaking and ultimately falls back on the hate speech he spoke of. I will go post by post as time permits. Highlighting Hitler's Catholic upbringing is irrelevant: He was excommunicated latæ sententiæ by his actions and the National Socialist government was not a Catholic government. If I called Lenin's/Stalin's Communism an Atheist government, am I just saying nonsense?
@jantoniello Nope, you're kinda illustrating my point. Pointing and saying "(Bad Dictator/Leader A) was a monster because they were a (Religion/Political party/Philosophical affiliation)" is pointless. A person may me shaped by the influences of their upbringing but ultimately they decide what to do. Hitler wasn't a mass murdering asshat because he was a Catholic or an Atheist, it's because he was a mass murdering asshat. I'll gladly stop bringing up Hitler's background if others follow suit.
@TheGunpowderTreason The Nazi Ideology is religious in itself, setting up Hitler as a sort of Messiah and in turn rejecting the Church. But part of Marxist Communism involves the destruction of religion, and a rejection of God. That is an indisputable truth of Communism. The religious in Communist countries are still persecuted for their beliefs (notably: China). Isn't this the goal of atheists through the ages: To rid the world of God?
@halflifeproductionz He was raised a Roman Catholic and according to most resources I can find professed to remaining one throughout his adult life. But I don't think being raised Catholic made him the mass-murdering asshat that he was. I think that (and pervailing social opinions toward Jews at the time) very much inspired the target of his efforts though. I just like to bring it up when people try to make the assertion that Atheism undoubtedly leads to evil. Being evil leads to being evil.
@TheGunpowderTreason and other than the treaty of versailles. what other reason did hitler have to hate the jews? something to do with jesus if you can remember.
@halflifeproductionz He may have been raised that way, but he was not a practicing Catholic and by 1943 (at least) Nazism was being set up as a National Church and other faiths would thus be expelled (and probably subject to genocide, much like the Jews). Also, Catholic were killed in the camps too. See the book "Priestblock 25487" written by a Catholic priest and Holocaust Survivor.
@jantoniello Atheists through the ages? Sounds a lot more dramatic than it should.
Atheists don't want to "rid the world of God", for us there is no god to be rid of. We just want those who deny the reason and rational thinking that they apply to every other form of legend, mythology and fairy tale (such as Aztec Mummies, Wraiths, Hobbits, Black Lagoon Creatures, Vampires, the Dreamtime, spirit animals, etc) but deny to their own faith to correct that failure. That's all it is: correction.
problem with atheists is is that you are all so ignorant. and no, i don't mean ignorant as in what ever so common meaning of it is anymore which is "stupid", i mean that you are truly ignorant. So many atheists call religious people ignorant, however, atheists have no idea just how truly ignorant they themselves are. Atheists, get over yourselves and believe in God.
@swinfordable Believe in God? Which one? There's a buffet of equally valid divinity on display so picking one will be as hard as deciding between the butterscotch pudding with cool whip and the brownie ala-mode.
Hmm... I respect women and children, so Christianity is out. I'm a big fan of pork products so Islam and Judaism are out. And beef is kinda awesome so no Hinduism for me.
I think I'll accept Buddha as my God. There. Thanks swinfordable, you've helped me decide on my personal deity.
@swinfordable hm. ignorant? atheists rank as number one when it comes to religius knowledge. sure, when you belive absurd things then you defence of those belives is just as absurd. unlike you, atheists examine religion criticaly and unbiased. allso belive is not something that we can just choose to do. we need evidece in order to belive you.
What's funny is that Michael Voris is the angriest guy out there. Have you ever seen a video where he isn't pissed about something? I even got blocked from RealCatholicTV's channel, not for profanity, not for "hate speech," but for sincere criticisms of Catholic dogma. This guy is a hopeless spokesperson for what he's selling.
@Gunpowder: Not singling you out, but you and a lot of people, mostly theists, need to learn to spell "a-t-h-E-I-s-t". My second big pet peeve is those who think the word is both singular and plural, as in "a bunch of atheist"
@dabigq You got me there my friend, this is one of those words I've been mispelling for years and didn't even realize. It. This one and "Nemesis". And to think I tought English for a year...
As far as support of inhumane acts go, are you implying that the Catholic Church is innocent? While abortion may be an ethical quagmire, I find it pretty obvious that an organization that tells millions of people at high risk for AIDS and HIV infection not to use condoms, therefore actively causing the slow, agonizing and avoidable deaths of those people, to be an inhumane act. Monstrously inhumane in fact.
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And as far as my video being immature...you're obviously just a meany-head.
Oh you mean inhumane acts, like say, abortion? Yeah I can't believe Catholicism actually supports abortion, I mean as inhumane as it is, oh wait the RCC doesn't support abortion, atheists do. Well now I'm really confused! Very immature video, can't believe people actually take this seriously.
@777ChiRho Well we obviously have differing opinions on the moral status of abortion...well, actually we don't. It's one of the greats misconceptions of theists that people who are pro-choice are pro-abortion, which really isn't the case. I would love for there to be a procedure that would render abortion obsolete and unnecessary, but because of ideas like Casti Connubii and the insistance of inneffective "Abstinence Only" sex education by Religious authorities...it's a fact of life.
I think a reiteration of that laughtrack is in order. Ever heard of Stalin? Pol Pot? Mao? Hitler (who may have been RAISED Catholic, but his Nazi philosophy was completely anti-Christian and rooted in social Darwinism)? The atheists who support abortion (which, for the record, has killed more unborn children than the Holocaust killed Jews)?
I believe you have missed the point good sir. An Atheist is not compelled to commit any action because of their lack of a belief system. Atheism does not instruct its followers in what social rules are to be followed or what is sacrosanct and what is blasphemous. It doesn't instruct anyone to do anything, unlike the major organized religions of the world full of commandments and dogma. An Atheist has never taken a human life because the power of Atheism compelled them to.
catholics like to debate intelligently and calm and athiest debate with foul language and pissed off lol
krunkmasterj 4 weeks ago
@krunkmasterj Life is short, and we only get the one here on Earth...so when confronted with 2,000+ year old Bronze Age regurgitation in modern day, well, patience is not a virtue. I wholeheartedly agree with the late Christopher Hitchens on the topic of debating religion; the only sensible response to religion is ridicule. Laugh at it until it dies its well deserved and long overdue death of humiliation. And if you think Atheists can't debate "intelligently" look up Stephen Fry.
TheGunpowderTreason 3 weeks ago
@TheGunpowderTreason if there is a god and u deny him there is a big chance u might go to hell, but if there isnt a god and u believe there is, WHAT DO U LOSE lol?? be smart about it
krunkmasterj 3 weeks ago
@krunkmasterj Did you seriously just try and pull Pascal's Wager on me? Really? Come on dude, this is the twenty first century, that line was old and bunko the second it popped into Pascal's brain.Give your invisible Sky-Father a little more credit than that.
TheGunpowderTreason 3 weeks ago
Even the Traditionalist "Remnant" gave this guy the response he deserved.
DieselWeasel91 1 month ago
This was hilarious.
Did you or RealCatholicTV put the "ding" sound effect and the crown?
DieselWeasel91 1 month ago
@DieselWeasel91 They did...but the timing just worked out wa-a-ay too well to leave out.
TheGunpowderTreason 3 weeks ago
This video shows us again, the power of arguments lead by a lot of atheists, who rather clever mockery and dummy stuff instead intelectual debate or disagreement. What is the evidence? That we can find a lot of HATERED AND PASSION. It would be ineteresting, by the way, if I could find a decent atheist who can use a civilized way of speech and of adress to those who disagree his points of view...
robilo100 1 month ago
@robilo100 Oh those kind of atheists aren't hard to find...they're just kind of boring. If one wanted to dedicate a lengthy session to a purely "high brow" refutation of religion they most certainly could, the problem is why waste the time? Are we really concerned about why the Gods of Mount Olympus don't control every facet of our existence anymore? Are we that worried about offending the Native American spirits of nature? Of course not. The Christian God is just another character.
TheGunpowderTreason 1 month ago
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Michael Voris is a fascist!
TheMrgoku1985 1 month ago
America is NOT a Democracy, FOOL! Your country is run and controlled by Big Business Interest groups.
Cherubaby 2 months ago
The Catholic doctrine: "Let Us Prey"
FatherNature11 2 months ago
Thank God there is a "dislike" button.
Uushilumbu79 2 months ago
@Uushilumbu79 I'd say "thank god I allow the option for you to like or dislike my video instead of rejecting criticism like certain douche-bags who appear in this video but will not be named" but I only use god and his mythology for content. I can't very well go around and thank a ficticious character for things in reality, that would just be silly.
TheGunpowderTreason 2 months ago 2
Catholics already live under a monarchy called the Kingdom of God.
TheChurchAuthentic 2 months ago
"You need to watch your hate speech, it's way too revealing."
How ironic, especially after attacking your atheist viewers as leading "adulterous, or chemically addicted, or money worshiping, or power hungry, or attention crazed, or over-the-top self-consciousness, or pride filled, or otherwise promiscuous lives."
joshm60 4 months ago
@joshm60 I'm glad there is an uncensored version of this video. I tried to post the previous comment on the original video and got the dreaded "comment pending approval."
joshm60 4 months ago
Through my years I've become CONVINCED that Christianity is only a tool used by leaders to sway the masses in their favor. It is such a pleasant fantasy that the good go to heaven, the bad go to hell, you are the divine son of the god that controls everything, that he loves you infinitely and is always there for you. Anyone who knows something about Power knows how powerful fantasies are on the human mind. Why tell the truth when you can play people's fantasies to your advantage?
GiraffeColin 5 months ago
love the way you twisted everything to make Michael Voris look like an idiot....shows how you "handle" things.
1Timothy313 5 months ago
@1Timothy313 Riiiiiight, I "twisted" what he had to say...of coooooourse I did. Mr.Voris is just another innocent victim of the evil liberal bias that twists and corrupts all good minded souls who make the same fatal mistake of making a public presentation. Of course he didn't advocate that the American Government, a Democratic Republic, should be removed in favor of a Theocratic Christian Monarchy...that was just me putting words in his mouth. You figured our evil plot out...GOLD STAR FOR YOU!
TheGunpowderTreason 5 months ago
@1Timothy313 voris doesn't need any help looking like an idiot. some people are just good at what they do.
lusciousthecat 3 months ago
@lusciousthecat God Bless you.
1Timothy313 3 months ago
@1Timothy313 Hey Tim, that cunt Voris is well due being taken down a peg or two. Did ya happen to miss how he referred to us as slaves. Unintentionally honest there. I'm sure you'll get over your religious conditioning someday.
Well done gunpowdertreason
arklowrockz 3 months ago
@arklowrockz God Bless you.
1Timothy313 3 months ago
@1Timothy313
I find his Holcoaust denial, virulent anti-semitism, anti-environemnt, malevolent homophobia, and his Cathollic monarchy video which practically is an act of treason pretty much enough to make this man not only out to be an idiot but absolutely fucking evil.
And I am a Christian. Sorry about the curse.
TheEmpyrean1986 2 months ago
Oh and burning gays and witches wasn't a Catholic thing. No where in history did the Catholic Church have gays or witches burnt. So many fallacies.
Ohyewildthong 6 months ago
You're seriously trying to claim that Hitler lead a Catholic government. lolwut
Ohyewildthong 6 months ago
Ever heard of the word "Copyright" ?
MatthewCaligari 6 months ago
Monarchy- A ruler, decended from a royal family which has ruled over the nation for centuries before, their power given to them by god, they follow christendom, adn think for their people, aside from athiest power hungry fools
Dictatorship-an athiest leader, who makes not regards for his people, takes over an innoeceont courty by force and rules over by strict military
Monarchy=republic>democracy>dictatorship
Not enoguh space to put the differences between republic and democracy, sorry ;)
Varyalover 6 months ago
@Varyalover Look, I try to be nice with responses when I can be...but this is the absolutely dumbest comment I've seen in recent memory. Did you do any research AT ALL before writing? In our vaunted "Information Age" it's absolutely inexcusable. Let me correct these malformed definitions of yours with a few very short, quick, easily verifiable facts:
1)Monarchs are Christian? Afraid not. King Abdullah bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud (MUSLIM King of Saudi Arabia), Sultan of Brunei (Sultan = Monarch).
TheGunpowderTreason 6 months ago
(cont.)
History is littered with non-Christian monarchs; one could even argue North Korea is a Monarchy. Do you think the rule of Kim Jong Il, his father and more than likely his son is granted by the Christian God?
2) The only discernible, logical difference between a Monarchy and a Dictatorship is the hereditary transfer of power. Both are autocratic and traditionally control the military.
Put some thought into your comments next time you feel like fumbling through weak atheist slander.
TheGunpowderTreason 6 months ago
stupid video same as who made this video..
craventref 7 months ago
Did he just say "Volunteer to be god's slave, but don't worry, he'll be your friend when you're dead" @5:32?
Riiiiiight.....
What a freak! It's fascinating watching him lecture himself.
Why "athiest", BTW? Was that intentional?
CBlargh 7 months ago
@CBlargh Yeah...turns out I've been misspelling the word "Atheist" for a while. I used to assume that it was spelled the way it's commonly pronounced, but obviously I got that one wrong.
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And yes, this guy is a freak. Once someone closes their mind to obvious and self-discernible facts in the real world and chooses the simplicity of someone else's pre-processed ideas...well, people like Michael Vorris is what you end up with.
TheGunpowderTreason 6 months ago
This is the biggest troll video. I stopped watching after 0:30. When someone claims that Hitler was a Catholic dictatorship, you know that you are dealing with an intentional liar. Actions prove louder than words.
assasincomedy 7 months ago
@assasincomedy You're right, actions do prove louder than words. As much "in dispute" as Hitler's religion is in the eyes of contemporary apologists and arm-chair historians, there's not much more to say than the man himself. Mein Kampf has several references to the Christian God (or some allusions to him), need I bring up the enscription on the German Infantry issued belt buckles again? And who did Hitler target...Jews, homsexuals and other "social deviants"...kind of like Catholics often do.
TheGunpowderTreason 7 months ago 3
@TheGunpowderTreason Kind of like Catholics often do? That's quite funny. I wonder where you get your information from.
assasincomedy 7 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason Well said! Also, not to mention that Hitlers first treaty was with the Vatican, thus creating an alliance with the Catholic church and the Third Reich.
michpottier 6 months ago
@michpottier Wrong kiddo. The concordat secularised the state. Meaning the church had to get out of politics. It was not an alliance as we saw when Hitler broke his side of the bargin.
Ohyewildthong 6 months ago
@Ohyewildthong Yes buuut. "The German Catholic Church has rescinded its ban on joining the Nazi Party. The Catholic Centre party has dissolved itself. [And Articles 31 and 32 prevent any revival of this democratic Catholic party which had opposed the Nazis.] In the Reichskonkordat, the Vatican has promised that German Bishops and their subordinates will be obedient to and honour the Nazi state (Article 16). It has promised that German Catholic educators will teach children Nazi doctrine"
michpottier 6 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason He also targeted Catholics and for your info, Caths and Pius XII saved numerous Jews during WWII. Also, the Christian God should not be mixed in with Hitlers God whom he made up to suit his own beliefs. To him, Jesus fought against the Jews, to us He converted them. Even if Hitler was Catholic, it isn't proof that the whole religion is bad because you can't ignore the fact that Caths, including Salazar whose regime I don't agree with, saved thousands of Jews. But then again,
philipmarie1854 4 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason if Pius XII and the other Caths were atheist you'd jump to their defense wouldn't you because they at least had pure intentioins right? Actions prove louder than words, and Caths actions did throughout history. I'm not against Cath theocracy as it can and did work well, but in this day and age, while it wouldn't be harmful for the Catholic religion to be recognized as the state religion, forbidding public worship of other religions just wouldn't work. Extra ecclisiam nulla
philipmarie1854 4 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason salus but you don't have to be liberal to respect the choice of people to build temples. Hell, Pius IX, conservative as he was permitted Judaism to be legal and for synagogues to be built and he restricted their place to live in to one part of Rome while forbidding public Protestantism (obvious really). It may have worked before but today, no. The Church still has the right to expose modernists and false teachers in its fold who are supposed to be obedient to her but aren't.
philipmarie1854 4 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason
Catholics were also targeted by Hitler. As a matter of fact he hated them.
hhold 1 month ago
@hhold Is that why Pope Pious XII celebrated his birthday like a holiday?
TheGunpowderTreason 1 month ago
@TheGunpowderTreason
I doubt if he ever did. Many Jews including Golda Meir - not a softy - thanked Pius XII for his action during WW2. In fact, the great Rabbi of Rome converted to catholicism and took Eugenio as his christian name which was the pope's original first name.
hhold 1 month ago
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TheGunpowderTreason, You are pretty good painter to make any thing looks ugly, the master of the ugliness. When the devil decided not to serve God, He became the most ugly of all the creatures of God. And His true colors are white and black, when you put these 2 colors together, you will get gray color of hatred on the livE of Evil.
2750valio 7 months ago
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2750valio 7 months ago
Not Official Vortex Segment. It was edited by Lucifer Satan, or Emperer Palpatine. I can tell because of the noise and distractions to try and pull my attention away from the foundation of truth which is the Catholic Faith. None believer's tend to do what Satan does and try and scare us by making noise along with throwing fire balls with rude statements coming at us in 3-D. God Bless You All!
fitzpatrickgf 7 months ago
Great video gunpowdertreason. You're so right about this Voris character.
nlytend1 8 months ago
You are disgusting 'TheGunpowderTreason'. Please repent and start praying.
calihartley2010 8 months ago
This is stupid Thegunpowder your a loser get a life and do something other than finding clips of people laughing. faggot.
Sharpshooter14152 8 months ago
@Sharpshooter14152 Why is there a seemingly direct correlation between trolls and terrible grammar?
TheGunpowderTreason 8 months ago 2
@TheGunpowderTreason what are you talking about?
Sharpshooter14152 8 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason screw that point, this guy can only adress a point in the video meant for comic relief rather than any actual point made by this video (thanks to TheGunPowderTreason for assuring me i wasnt the only one thinking that jason is a dumbass)
xxxxcryptlordxxxx 8 months ago
Hitler was voted in after the Catholic Bishops and Vatican protested against the Nazi party and Nazi racism.
seancadams 8 months ago
this was hilarious after watching a few of his videos..I can't even comment or even dislike them! the Catholic perspective of people like this guy is scary, and he is angry at Catholics who act like normal people lol
stanleyyelnats69 8 months ago
@Sideofyams "God is a personal god, have faith in him"
No I don't think I will, thank you. The belief in a personal God just illustrates an unfortunate shortcoming in your own life, a shortcoming that forces you to seek approval from a supernatural, mythological figment. I won't waste time guessing what this particular shortcoming is, be it abuse or neglect or confusion...all I can say is that I'm sorry. I'm truly sorry for whatever happened to you, and I hope that you can find peace in reality
TheGunpowderTreason 8 months ago
Immature video is immature. You need to grow up.
drdst17 8 months ago
@drdst17 As soon as people stop believing in their imaginary friends than I will gladly "grow up", but until Jesus, Allah, Faith and Teddy Ruxpin are all in the same moldy, cardboard box in the basement marked "Kids Stuff" I shall resist!
TheGunpowderTreason 8 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason Christ died for your sins, whether you decide to believe that or not. You'll find that out one day, when your short life eventually comes to an end. Don't forget to put that "Atheism" back into the cardboard box where you got it once you are done with it.
drdst17 8 months ago
@drdst17 I agree with the demonstrable fact of Evolution, hence the mythological story of the creator deity of the Judeo-Christian tradition making the first pair of humans, known better as "The Book of Genesis 1-3" is just as demonstrably false. Since the fictional character of "Eve" did not consume of piece of forbidden fruit and cause the homo sapien species to be exiled from the fictional "Garden of Eden" the concept of "Original Sin" is also invalid, hence the fictional sacrifice of Jesus
TheGunpowderTreason 8 months ago
not only never occurred, but even if the character was based on a real life individual who was executed by the Roman Empire, did not sacrifice himself to atone/forgive the "sins" of the homo-sapien species.
Jesus didn't die for our sins. Jesus didn't die, because as far as evidence and reasonable discourse can illustrate, he more than likely never existed outside of folklore and oral storytelling.
Don't throw the protagonist of your mythology at me and expect anything substantial.
TheGunpowderTreason 8 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason Like most Atheists, you say so much to say so little. Considering that your first statement "I agree with the demonstrable fact of Evolution" is false, it makes EVERYTHING you said after it completely moot.
I don't argue facts. Since you don't believe in "facts" and follow only your own hedonistic religion (atheism), I'll leave this conversation now and just pray for you.
May God grant you the grace and peace in your life to find Him one day.
drdst17 8 months ago
@drdst17 Like most idiots...and I was wrestling with the proper term to use in describing you but this one does seem most appropriate...you have decided to abandon reason, rational thought and critical thinking because the end result is inconvenient for you. You like what religious mythology has to offer, so everything that contradicts that, despite its own provable veracity, is false and part of some hedonistic atheist conspiracy. I'm sorry you've been indoctrinated against common sense. Bye.
TheGunpowderTreason 8 months ago
In addition, Hitler could hardly be considered Catholic. The man wanted to tear apart the institutional church and always feared the power of the Pope (he wanted every city to have a "pope"). Plus his interest in the occult is heretical to say the least.
Finally, your little kill counter should read quite a bit higher for athiests. Those communist regimes certainly weren't Catholic, or religious in any way. (you'd need 8 figures for the lot of 'em).
lawwellsy 8 months ago
@lawwellsy You've missed the point on the kill counter, let me explain;
When a Catholic -or to be fair anyone- kills another human being due to the influence of their faith (ie "In the name of God", "Holy War", "Protect the faith", "Jihad" inspired violence, "kill the infidels", "Convert to save your soul!" yadda yadda) I blame that faith because it inspired the mentality to justify the act of violence. Atheists don't hide their actions behind the magical sky wizard and falsely justify murder.
TheGunpowderTreason 8 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason I should think that an absence of faith is equally to blame. Communist ideologues had no faith, and yet they murdered "for the revolution". And the Terror in France... well, they certainly weren't doing it for any god (save reason).
The important point is that faith doesn't need to be in the Divine for there to be slaughter in the name of that faith, and so athiests are just as inspired by faith, only their faith is not in the Divine.
lawwellsy 8 months ago
@lawwellsy An absence of faith is a presence of reason. I'm not painting religion as the only source of murder in human history, that would be foolish. I would argue that it would be equally foolish to deny the effect and ability to inspire violence and murderous intent that religion also has.
And which definition of "Faith" are you going by? What it means in the religious context as compared to how it is used in the common vernacular are two fundamentally different concepts.
TheGunpowderTreason 8 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason If an absence of faith is the presence of reason, and you have no faith, then you have no faith that your computer will work, that people won't murder you, etc. This is naturally absurd, and I know you don't mean it. But faith, whether in God, a machine, a man, or whatever, is fundamentally an act of trust. That's the fundamental definition, and anything else is semantics and hair-splitting.
lawwellsy 8 months ago
@lawwellsy But what is the foundation of your faith? If I have faith that my computer will turn on than it's because I have a realistic expectation based on the fact that it worked last time I turned it on, I maintain it pretty damn well and we didn't have any power surges or lightening storms that would affect it. I have faith that if I drop a book it will fall to the ground because gravity is still in effect and physics still works. There is no rational basis for faith in God(s).
TheGunpowderTreason 8 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason I'm honestly not sure that I can give you a satisfactory answer, but I will give you an honest one. My foundation is personal testimony. I testify to God's existence because I perceive it in the world, and in my life. His provision is always there. I pray to Him, and He answers me. In dreams, and in writing, and in the world. The key is, I think, expectant faith, and an observant eye. I wasn't sure on the former, but I did have the latter, and so I believe.
lawwellsy 8 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason If you want a fuller story of my conversion, as it were (I am, and always have been, Catholic), then I'd be happy to give it to you. But it's best as a PM, and if you don't want to hear it, then I won't force it.
lawwellsy 8 months ago
You are quite ignorant - a monarchy can allow a libertarian society to flourish, just as a democracy can be tyrannical and totalitarian. If you want to see an example of the latter, go to Europe and yell on the streets "Mohammed was a paedophile". I guarantee you'll be in the dock quicksmart. And the former? Well, I need only point to Monaco and Lichtenstein as my examples there (semi-absolute, and Catholic).
lawwellsy 8 months ago
@lawwellsy Once again, Monarchies are great as long as you agree with the policies and practices of your monarchs. All a true Monarchy is is a hereditary dictatorship, and we can see through some examples of contemporary Monarchies that you don't cite as examples (a few in the Middle East undergoing a little Democratic revolution come to mind) that it's really less the system and more how it is administered. As a rule of thumb I prefer to side with democracy; replaceable executives are good.
TheGunpowderTreason 8 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason Quite right on the system not being as important as its administration - subsidiarity is the principle and it's supported by the Church. Voris himself espouses it here: watch?v=rl-S5BBK86I&feature=related. The primary thing I want to combat though is the impression that democracy and freedom are synonymous. They're not. A peasant could have walked into Versailles and met Louis XIV. To meet Obama, you need a very fat pocketbook. Definitely not as close, or as free.
lawwellsy 8 months ago
@lawwellsy Oh I agree, America hasn't had a true Democracy in quite a while. We've gone from a Democracy to a Democratic Republic to the Corporatist/semi-Fascist mess we're in today. I'm often at odds with mainstream political ideas because I'm a far leaning progressive; looking at the political discourse of our country nowadays is painful when you realize just how far away from ideas like Democracy and freedom we as a nation have strayed. A Theological Monarchy is still the absolute worst tho'
TheGunpowderTreason 8 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason America has never been a "true" democracy. It was founded as a constitutional republic. The authors of the Constitution thought the idea repugnant, and I'll let them speak on that regard (as I haven't studied the area). But you're not alone in being at odds with society - I'm a Jacobite Traditionalist Tory (American conservatives are almost always mere Whigs). So, we're in similar positions, but from opposite angles. It's actually a bit funny.
lawwellsy 8 months ago
@lawwellsy I always like meeting rational people from the "other side", whether it be in person or in writing. I like to scrape past the obvious differences and dredge up the similarities instead, and work out from there.
TheGunpowderTreason 8 months ago
What a poor excuse for a human. And why does he hold a pencil that he never uses except for when he's trying to look cool in his intro? Pretentious fuck.
TheLiberalSoup 9 months ago
I don't agree with MV on this but If anyone thinks we are living in a democracy now, they're a damn fool.
tfrenn 9 months ago
If there is anything to take away from the revolts in the Middle East, it's that people like this guy will never succeed, ever. The ones trying to impose these ideas can't in this world of free information, and those already in power have their days numbered.
Abignalessuccessor 9 months ago
love. this. so. much.
blindside300 9 months ago
I think I love you.
amandaclaire1011 10 months ago
@spartacus6839 I made this video because I think Michael Vorris is a douche-bag. The only thing I'm "searching" for is lulz, which I tend to get when researching theology.
But you are right about one thing in particular...we do have a certain amount of time left on this Earth...and I intend to do whatever I can to make that time meaningful and enjoyable. The concept of an afterlife, while enticing, is implausible, unproveable and just one of the ways Religious parasites prey on your fear.
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
God bless.
bheadh 10 months ago
@spartacus6839 others need to follow those same rules as law, that's where the "do as you please" stops and the "keep thy faith to thyself" needs be enforced. I have a perfectly clear CONSCIENCE and live a happy, guilt free life without the idea of passing my own blame and misery off on some mystical father-figure. I deal with my own issues without resorting to scapegoats and wizards...and I gotta say it just seems healthier and a bit more mature. Live your own life and see things on your own.
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@spartacus6839 If people can find some kind of joy by surrendering their time and resources to a higher power than great for them. It's their lives and they can do what they will...I'm big on personal freedoms, side effect of my liberal perspectives I suppose. I'll point out that I think it's a waste of time and the people administering the ideas of a higher power are taking pure advantage of them, but I still believe it's their right to do as they please. Now, when people start saying that
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
-Note to self-
Really getting tired of the 6 entry long replies...Youtube needs to expand the character limit...seriously...this is getting dumb...
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@spartacus6839 It's not that I don't care about salvation...I just don't believe we need it. At least not from an institution like the Catholic Church...or any church actually. I'm under the impression that all the things we need salvation for are completely fictional, created by -most conveniently- the Churches who say we need them. I disagree wholeheartedly. I disagree with every aspect of my moral, rational self. Humankind got on just fine before the concept of religion came about.
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason ...e, not just phrases within the argument. Strip away my rhetoric and read what I have written. I look forward to a response. God bless.
jantoniello 10 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason ...ust a monkey. The ability to reason makes us able to determine right and wrong, to learn, to study, and to come to philosophical truths like the necessity of a first efficient cause or the spiritual reality of the soul (Aristotle). An ape is an ape. A man is a man. They do not become anything more or less. Evolutionary theory gives us skeletons of ancestors, but they are still MEN, not just "awesome monkeys." In closing, try to re-read and attack my arguments next tim...
jantoniello 10 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason ...n intrinsic value to it, because of the HUMAN person. Man is man, and can not have become man from another thing. There would be no sense in man coming from an ape. Related, maybe. But man still has reason, an intellect, a true will. We abstract, we develop sciences and philosophies. Monkeys and apes do not. Why devalue your personhood by saying it is really just another animal? I am not just a monkey. I am so much more than that. I may be related somehow but I am not j..
jantoniello 10 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason ...ner. There is no comparison. Sex feels great, which we both agreed on. Just because sex no longer HAS TO result in pregnancy, doesn't change the fact that the purpose is in fact to PROCREATE. An earlier comment where I said "life is a perfect thing," I wasn't saying that each individual moment within life is perfect. I was highlighting the fact that it is better to exist than to not exist. Poverty is awful, but that doesn't mean that life is not worth living. Life has a..
jantoniello 10 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason Sorry, class has been killing me. Before I begin, I want to point out that you didn't get at the root of a single of my arguments. You merely state "there is no God," prattle on about science saving the world, and leaving it at that. But, especially at the topic of sexuality, that is definitely untrue. Re-read my comments on the AIDS epidemic. Look at the failure/std rates of contraceptives vs. abstinence. Who wins in the game of life? The abstinent, or those with 1 part...
jantoniello 10 months ago
@jantoniello Here we go again (sad trombone wah-wah-waaah)
As much as I enjoy the occasional back-and-forth I can't keep writing the number "4" on the board and have the class continue to ask me what 2+2 equals. If you want a very basic answer to your questions, one that you can be satisfied with, here you go:
GOD IS FICTION. Any rules derived from that god's supposed teachings or done to appease him are IMMORAL. I'm sorry if you've fallen prey to history's greatest con-job, but here you are.
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@jantoniello Now of course your immediate reaction will be to think "he's ignoring my point again!" to which I can assure you, I have ready everything you've said...to the detriment of my own free time I have read every single word. Here's the core of our disagreement: you have failed to apply logic to the facets of your own beliefs. You reject the knowledge derived from your fellow man, knowledge that when applied to ourselves has only improved our quality of life. You think we owe it all to
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@jantoniello the great magic wizard behind the scenes. The same (or very similar) great magic wizard that exists in stories all around the world. With so many to choose from, why settle for the one popular in this region? It's beyond arrogance to claim that your specific mythology has the answers to the riddles of life and claim it's teachings should be law while both providing no verifiable evidence for its veracity and being proven demonstrably wrong on almost every point made. Religion is a
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@jantoniello hobby that should be shelved next to the other primitive beliefs of our ancestors. The world is not flat, the sky is not glass or a veneer with holes punched in it to allow stars to shine at night, and God does not live in a cloudbank. I am in no way devaluing humanity by acknowledging that we came from simpler organisms, I'd argue that fact makes humanity greater still. We're not "chosen" or "special" or entangled with the great destiny of the cosmos, we are animals that gained
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@jantoniello higher brain functions, juswt like the bears got claws and the birds got wings and nylonase got the ability to digest nylon. For what it's worth I'm sorry that this has been done to you. I'm sorry that at an early age (I'm assuming) your basic worldview was corrupted and the cracks and fissures in your ability to understand the world was filled with supernatural tales of deities and magic apples. I'm sorry that the filter cemented onto your perspective has made you both fact
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@jantoniello resistant and reliant on your attackers for what you have been told is "truth". It pains me that you can't appreciate the natural world for what it is and instead must conform it to the terms laid out by sinister fiction. I'm truly sorry that as long as you're trapped by this way of thinking you will be working against your own interests as an organism and a part of nature.
But enough apologies. The impass we face is, as I just railed on, I keep my mind open to all posibilities and
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@jantoniello accept our part in the natural order. You labor under the thought that ours is a world contrived by the will of a magician who places restrictions on what we do in order to appease himself. I trust science over religion in every conceivable way because science is OURS. Our understanding, our rational minds and desire to know formed science...and it excludes no one based on who they are.
Humanity is better than God. God is a product of the human mind, as is science. And to date
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@jantoniello science has been a shitload more useful. You may have noticed I didn't mention the other topics brought up here, especially regarding sexual morality. Mores and regulations derived from religious inspiration, regardless of their independent validity, are in my eyes poisonous fruit and therefore immoral. I'll go by human derived knowledge over divined anytime
On a side note, I hope your classes go well, I'm taking a few courses myself and it just eats the heart out of my spare time.
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
George Carlin wasn't kidding when he said that religion was the biggest bullshit story ever told. And this Voris douchebag is up to his eyeballs in it.
shelton705 10 months ago
@shelton705 He's so full of shit his eyes are brown.
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
dude you hit the nail on this guys head. i couldn't believe this sort of extremism is fostered by modern catholics.
halflifeproductionz 10 months ago
@theGunpowderTreason Thank you for making this video! I am still wondering how Michael Voris is able to find subscribers. Oh, well... the world is filled with diversity =)
thedeeliciousplum 10 months ago
Wow, this video has been getting more attention now than when I put it up. Lots of commenting to do, but I think I'll just put up a sequel video in the near future to answer most of these questions and nitpicks. I've got studying to do, tests to take and a job to find, so we'll see how the world treats my free time.
'Till later...
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
sorry, didn't convince me...Christus vincit!
spambeeify 10 months ago 2
@spambeeify Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's...and that other bit. To each their own I suppose.
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
Side note: I find it ironic that your tag is @TheGunpowderTreason when the entire purpose of that act was to...RESTORE A CATHOLIC MONARCHY. Oh...irony of ironies.
jantoniello 10 months ago
@jantoniello I have to say I didn't plan on such a depth of intent when choosing my user name for Youtube (and also Xbox Live consequently). I just went through some pictures from a trip I took to England and was reminded of an afternoon I spent in Knaresborough. I found a nice, small pub that had the table from Guy Fawkes' home and had a pint of hard cider with my parents.
Besides, seeing how the character that inspired the phrase is used today, I'd like to associate more with that.
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
In sum, your response is not a good one. It is uninformed about the actuality of Church teaching, philosophy and even Voris's comments overall. Try to understand why the Church says what it says, believes what it believes before you try any sort of response to it...especially one as poor as this.
jantoniello 10 months ago
@jantoniello Sorry I'm just getting back to this, I've got a life to lead which only allows marginal time for "fun" things like this.
"Try to understand why the Church says what it says, believes what it believes"
I don't need to understand why an organization believes what it believes, I make my judgements based on the results. The Catholic Church's best intentions are irrelevant when they promote things like not using birth control or oppression of homosexuals. I care about effect, not cause
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason I will have to be stepping away soon myself...so many papers to write!
That last sentence about sums up an atheist's perspective (at least, the majority of modern atheists). "I care about effect, not cause." But in the cause lays the ultimate reason for each effect. One should not take the effect as a greater case than the cause. I imagine we both agree that life is a great and perfect thing, but the Catholic (even some atheist personalists) would argue that ALL life has...
jantoniello 10 months ago
@jantoniello Ask those of less fortunate circumstances if life is "perfect" and I doubt they'll agree. In fact, let me put my opinion out there: I'm a caucasian male in his 30's from a stable, loving, fairly affluent upper-middle class family...I've never been hungry or depreived of anything I've needed, I've been well educated and things generally tend to go my way...and I would never ever even consider calling life "perfect".
"Great" certainly, but not even remotely close to perfect.
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason ...worth. The case against birth control goes back to the purpose of things, as opposed to the accidents thereof, i.e. sex being for procreation, not only pleasure, which is also the response to homosexual acts. The Church is not burning homosexuals, nor saying God hates them; rather, God loves them as they are, and asks them to respect the order in which man is made. Some within the Church might, but they are misguided (much like the Westboros, which you have in the vid)...
jantoniello 10 months ago
@jantoniello
1st big problem with the idea that sex must only be used for reproduction...IT FEELS GOOD. True this is more than likely a trait that got picked up through evolution (our ancestor[s] that had more fun in the breeding phase more than likely bred more than others) and I'm sorry if it sounds glib or simple, but I refuse the blanket response of "it's there so God can test us" or "it's there NOT to be used". I'm not a straight hedonist, but if we are afforded some experience by our -
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@jantoniello -nature that is enjoyable or constructive and isn't harmful to ourselves or others than why deny ourselves such a thing? We live in the age when sex doesn't have to result in offspring, where the mechanisms that encourage us to behave a certain way, our instincts so to speak, can be satiated but without the consequences our ancestors had to bear...
Oh yeah...antiquated moral values that existed BEFORE our advantages of technology and understanding are forced upon such activities.
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason ...The Church speaks of love and dignity of the human person, and sexual morality is very central to this dignity. It calls for a higher respect of the other, eventually the Divine Other, and oneself. Negative side-effects of the rampant sexuality, such as STDs, are still rising, even with condoms. Abortions are higher, even with birth control. But yet, you still say the Church is in the wrong in their defense of all life. I look forward to your response.
jantoniello 10 months ago
@jantoniello Divinity is a concept that has led to ruination and corruption more than anyone's salvation. It is an impossible standard that people break themselves to pieces trying to meet. WE ARE ANIMALS in every sense of the word...morphology, biology, behavior- we are just awesome monkeys. We as a species have had the luck of posessing more functional brains than some of our fellow fauna, but this doesn't give us anything remotely close to supernatural powers of insight or knowledge of gods
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
...the culture of sex that continues to spread the virus. The understanding of sex's PURPOSE needs to be taught and, in turn, the AIDS epidemic will begin to cease. 33000000 people have AIDS in the world, 22mil of which are in Africa. Are condoms doing their job? Obviously not. Abstinence works, is realistic and I would wager that - not counting Children - less than 1% of the total AIDS population is made up of abstinent humans (probably all other STDs too)
jantoniello 10 months ago
@jantoniello The intented purpose of sex is both obvious and irrelevant, so to speak. It doesn't matter what a thing is for, how we use it ultimately defines that thing. Use a blade in the kitchen and it's a tool- use it on the battlefield and it's a weapon. Same thing here. Have sex to have kids, it's reproduction...have it for fun and it's...well...awesome. That's what the PURPOSE of sex is...its defined by the ones having it and not stuffy virgins quoting their 2,000 year old desert stories
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason You highlight very well here what Pope Benedict calls the dictatorship of relativism (i.e. no objective standard), as you say "[sex's purpose] is defined by those having it." Yes, sex is amazing but that is an accident (in the metaphysical use of this term) of its purpose, which is to procreate. A knife is a knife, however it is used. It is an object made to cut. However it is used is irrelevant, in battle or the kitchen: it does its PURPOSE.
jantoniello 10 months ago
@jantoniello It's personally hard to take what Benny says seriously...a man that eager to protect an obsolete institution over human life and decency is, in my opinion, an absolute monster who requires mockery and expulsion from any seat of authority. But I digress, back to the matter at hand. Benny's "Dictatorship of Relativism" disallows for things like the expansion of human experience and the evolution of social values. By that standard what was true in times before science and understanding
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@jantoniello -is still true now. It is painfully obvious that this is a mentality of someone who is unwilling to adapt with modern thought and concept...someone who would rather cling to the archaic, outmoded, disproven and obsolete views of previous generations instead of taking an account of the modern world and trying to reconcile with it. Religion, especially Benny's, is a chain bolted to the ankles of progress- it's only functions we have long since evolved past as a species and a society.
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
...and you will see what the Church actually says in regards to this practice. The dictatorship of relativism is a PHILOSOPHY with no standards and no set rules; it is anarchic in the worst possible way. A Catholic philosophy stands in opposition to that: we have standards, rules, and the Natural Law to back it up. Fourthly, the Pope's lecture on condom use is one that must be spoken of in great depth, but I can summarize in this way: condoms themselves may prevent HIV outbreaks, but it is...
jantoniello 10 months ago
The United States was founded in opposition to a non-benevolent dictator, a non-Catholic monarchy. The benevolent king (in theory) would hold up natural law, and this should inform the state law, much like Plato, Augustine, Thomas More, etc. have proposed. This would not be discrimination, but rather an informed, philosophic response to our failed democracy. Also, when has Pope Benedict ever called for gays to be burned at the stake? Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church on homosexuality...
jantoniello 10 months ago
@jantoniello Are you a half witted revisionist or just really that uninformed of American History...
The Puritans...the original "founders" if you will...were Calvanists and former PROTESTANTS. They were upset that the English reformation didn't go far enough to excise Catholic teachings and practices from the new church. How do you get less Catholic than that? They didn't flee merry ol' England because the dictator was non-benevolent (a perversion of semantics if ever there were any).
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason The Puritans came to America to flee persecution of their faith, not only because of a theological dispute. America - the United States as so founded by Washington, Jefferson, etc. - was to shed the colonies of the non-benevolent dictator that was King George III (including the issues of taxation w/o representation, etc.) Re-read your history, or at least learn what I mean by each argument I put forth.
jantoniello 10 months ago
These atheist governments STILL kill and oppress their people (read: China, North Korea). I would be willing to argue Hitler's atheism and the Nazi's as atheists as such, if you desire. Secondly, Voris calls for a Catholic monarchy because of the failure of the Democratic Republic in which we live. Most tend to hate politics, and mostly that comes from politicians failing to do what we want them to do. We can oust them and fix it from within, or sit with it until the chickens come to roost...
jantoniello 10 months ago
Failure of our democracy? When did our democracy fail? Has a dictator stepped into the White House and burned Congress to the ground? Yeah our current political situation is crappy (if you watch MSNBC and FoxNews it's like the apocalypse is coming) but our system has not failed. Failure would be a theocracy, especailly a Catholic monarchy, taking power. When a government decides against being Seccular than someone loses, either through sanctioned oppression or extra taxation.
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
I realize this was posted almost a year ago, but here goes: This video does not respond to Voris on the level he is speaking and ultimately falls back on the hate speech he spoke of. I will go post by post as time permits. Highlighting Hitler's Catholic upbringing is irrelevant: He was excommunicated latæ sententiæ by his actions and the National Socialist government was not a Catholic government. If I called Lenin's/Stalin's Communism an Atheist government, am I just saying nonsense?
jantoniello 10 months ago
@jantoniello Nope, you're kinda illustrating my point. Pointing and saying "(Bad Dictator/Leader A) was a monster because they were a (Religion/Political party/Philosophical affiliation)" is pointless. A person may me shaped by the influences of their upbringing but ultimately they decide what to do. Hitler wasn't a mass murdering asshat because he was a Catholic or an Atheist, it's because he was a mass murdering asshat. I'll gladly stop bringing up Hitler's background if others follow suit.
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason The Nazi Ideology is religious in itself, setting up Hitler as a sort of Messiah and in turn rejecting the Church. But part of Marxist Communism involves the destruction of religion, and a rejection of God. That is an indisputable truth of Communism. The religious in Communist countries are still persecuted for their beliefs (notably: China). Isn't this the goal of atheists through the ages: To rid the world of God?
jantoniello 10 months ago
@jantoniello wasn't shitler a roman catholic?
halflifeproductionz 10 months ago
@halflifeproductionz He was raised a Roman Catholic and according to most resources I can find professed to remaining one throughout his adult life. But I don't think being raised Catholic made him the mass-murdering asshat that he was. I think that (and pervailing social opinions toward Jews at the time) very much inspired the target of his efforts though. I just like to bring it up when people try to make the assertion that Atheism undoubtedly leads to evil. Being evil leads to being evil.
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@TheGunpowderTreason and other than the treaty of versailles. what other reason did hitler have to hate the jews? something to do with jesus if you can remember.
halflifeproductionz 10 months ago
@halflifeproductionz He may have been raised that way, but he was not a practicing Catholic and by 1943 (at least) Nazism was being set up as a National Church and other faiths would thus be expelled (and probably subject to genocide, much like the Jews). Also, Catholic were killed in the camps too. See the book "Priestblock 25487" written by a Catholic priest and Holocaust Survivor.
jantoniello 10 months ago
@jantoniello Atheists through the ages? Sounds a lot more dramatic than it should.
Atheists don't want to "rid the world of God", for us there is no god to be rid of. We just want those who deny the reason and rational thinking that they apply to every other form of legend, mythology and fairy tale (such as Aztec Mummies, Wraiths, Hobbits, Black Lagoon Creatures, Vampires, the Dreamtime, spirit animals, etc) but deny to their own faith to correct that failure. That's all it is: correction.
TheGunpowderTreason 10 months ago
@gooddarkjedi i'm talking from the perspective of someone who used to be an atheist. so i know your though process makes no sense.
swinfordable 11 months ago
Michael Voris is a cock sucking fag....end of story
toomuchsoysauce 11 months ago
problem with atheists is is that you are all so ignorant. and no, i don't mean ignorant as in what ever so common meaning of it is anymore which is "stupid", i mean that you are truly ignorant. So many atheists call religious people ignorant, however, atheists have no idea just how truly ignorant they themselves are. Atheists, get over yourselves and believe in God.
swinfordable 1 year ago
@swinfordable Believe in God? Which one? There's a buffet of equally valid divinity on display so picking one will be as hard as deciding between the butterscotch pudding with cool whip and the brownie ala-mode.
Hmm... I respect women and children, so Christianity is out. I'm a big fan of pork products so Islam and Judaism are out. And beef is kinda awesome so no Hinduism for me.
I think I'll accept Buddha as my God. There. Thanks swinfordable, you've helped me decide on my personal deity.
TheGunpowderTreason 1 year ago
@swinfordable theist, get over yourself and embrace reality
toomuchsoysauce 11 months ago
@swinfordable hm. ignorant? atheists rank as number one when it comes to religius knowledge. sure, when you belive absurd things then you defence of those belives is just as absurd. unlike you, atheists examine religion criticaly and unbiased. allso belive is not something that we can just choose to do. we need evidece in order to belive you.
gooddarkjedi 11 months ago
4:35 Self-hate? I guess the Bible doesn't promote that or anything... oh, wait... yeah it does:
[John 12:25] "The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life."
Hmm... love the life I know I have, or love the life that a violent book said I'll have.... I think I know what I'm picking.
Mystrymeat 1 year ago
@Mystrymeat nothing like defeating them with their own weapons eh? love it.
gooddarkjedi 11 months ago
What's funny is that Michael Voris is the angriest guy out there. Have you ever seen a video where he isn't pissed about something? I even got blocked from RealCatholicTV's channel, not for profanity, not for "hate speech," but for sincere criticisms of Catholic dogma. This guy is a hopeless spokesperson for what he's selling.
GlorifiedTruth 1 year ago
@Gunpowder: Not singling you out, but you and a lot of people, mostly theists, need to learn to spell "a-t-h-E-I-s-t". My second big pet peeve is those who think the word is both singular and plural, as in "a bunch of atheist"
dabigq 1 year ago
@dabigq You got me there my friend, this is one of those words I've been mispelling for years and didn't even realize. It. This one and "Nemesis". And to think I tought English for a year...
TheGunpowderTreason 1 year ago
What a DICK!
acme181169 1 year ago
Yes, I hate the Catholic Church. But I love myself. How about that?
SuperFantasticFox 1 year ago
@SuperFantasticFox Sounds natural.
TheGunpowderTreason 1 year ago
As far as support of inhumane acts go, are you implying that the Catholic Church is innocent? While abortion may be an ethical quagmire, I find it pretty obvious that an organization that tells millions of people at high risk for AIDS and HIV infection not to use condoms, therefore actively causing the slow, agonizing and avoidable deaths of those people, to be an inhumane act. Monstrously inhumane in fact.
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And as far as my video being immature...you're obviously just a meany-head.
TheGunpowderTreason 1 year ago
Oh you mean inhumane acts, like say, abortion? Yeah I can't believe Catholicism actually supports abortion, I mean as inhumane as it is, oh wait the RCC doesn't support abortion, atheists do. Well now I'm really confused! Very immature video, can't believe people actually take this seriously.
777ChiRho 1 year ago
@777ChiRho Well we obviously have differing opinions on the moral status of abortion...well, actually we don't. It's one of the greats misconceptions of theists that people who are pro-choice are pro-abortion, which really isn't the case. I would love for there to be a procedure that would render abortion obsolete and unnecessary, but because of ideas like Casti Connubii and the insistance of inneffective "Abstinence Only" sex education by Religious authorities...it's a fact of life.
TheGunpowderTreason 1 year ago
You wouldn't like Jesus Hulk when he's repentant! :-))
jodenmalik 1 year ago
"Atheist kills: 0"
I think a reiteration of that laughtrack is in order. Ever heard of Stalin? Pol Pot? Mao? Hitler (who may have been RAISED Catholic, but his Nazi philosophy was completely anti-Christian and rooted in social Darwinism)? The atheists who support abortion (which, for the record, has killed more unborn children than the Holocaust killed Jews)?
Higsbeard 1 year ago
@Higsbeard
I believe you have missed the point good sir. An Atheist is not compelled to commit any action because of their lack of a belief system. Atheism does not instruct its followers in what social rules are to be followed or what is sacrosanct and what is blasphemous. It doesn't instruct anyone to do anything, unlike the major organized religions of the world full of commandments and dogma. An Atheist has never taken a human life because the power of Atheism compelled them to.
TheGunpowderTreason 1 year ago