, I find it particularly annoying (as a woman who works hard at an honest job) that whenever women get into the sex trade business the blame falls onto the men who are buying. WTF. This whole "poor me" mentality is the reason our gender lacks respect. There is always a choice. Would I make more money if I worked at a strip club? Probably. And it's MY CHOICE to do it or not. No one is making me take my clothes off or screw for money and the same goes for every woman living in a free country.
One more thing... statistically, in the U.S., more homeless tend to be male and most of them are mentally ill. they aren't thown from there homes they just refuse to take medication or cannot afford it. There are more women shelters for abused, battered, and homeless women now then there have ever been and unlike a regular shelter, women's shelters do not kick you out in the morning..
@ starquant I was actually agreeing with you, so I don't get your defensiveness and arrogant contrariness. I "moved on", probably before you were born. I was commenting more on the fact that this movie is considered by movie critics as very good. I don't understand strangling the choir behind your preaching?! Abt story, I empathize with the mother's plight, but I care more abt Hunter. He deserves, as all kids do, a stable&solid home. Neither one of his parents could provide that. Mom can visit.
Easy to care about the Plight of a MALE child, to the detriment of the Mother. Everyone does. This movie shows a dead beat dad, who pisses off and then all of a sudden "gets a conscience" and instead of "owning" his part, goes off "Locates the Mother" and drops the ball, straight back into her LAP. FUCK ME. If I knew a man like that, I would castrate him at the first available opportunity. This film romanticizes a negative and encourages Males to take the EASY way out. Be more clear plz.
@starquant.Yes!What is so great abt this movie??The "hero" reminded me of the good ole white boys I met when I lived in Lubbock,TX-ugly, ignorant, certain they were every Am woman's dream 'cause theyMarlborough men.I didn't get his appeal to this gorgeous young woman.Ooh-ooh, she's missing him. WHY? And he hides behind seven, barely eight year old after abducting him from his loving bro.Torture, it sounded like so why wasn't she singing,"happiness is seeing ole uglyTravis in my rearview mirror"?
Your point is nonsensical. I suggest you go away and do what you do best. Have another beer and have sex with your sister. I have tried to start an intellectual discussion here and that excludes retards and inbreeders. If you want to have sex with something that has a Vagina, then go and chase the animals on your farm, we are all Mammals after all.. Stop talking shit, go and "git" "edumacated" and come back when your ration of "moonshine" has run out.
seriously, how am i the uneducated one? look at your arguments, grammar etc. and you question my competency due to my assertions being nonsensical? clearly you are the one that needs to be educated. if you try to propagate feminist ideology make sure that you are more prepared. don't try to purvey that male dominate/ subjugate female bullshit. Although there are still inequities that exist between genders, the feminist movement has progressed and they do not need your regressive mentality.
You relayed absolutely nothing is your reply that refutes anything I said. All you did was presume, stereotype and utter trash babble to someone that you know abysmally nothing about. Let me put it in lingo you'll understand. Ya ain't got nuthin' to say. Nothing in your "discussion" was in any form or manner "intellectual", at least from the collegiate background I'm from. I still say this movie is trash, & I guess it appeals to trash. You need to learn some class, in a BIG way!
Pm me for a comment. All the negatives seems to find me Ok. The Males that think I am a Lesbian. The simple fact is that, women are NOT cannon fodder, and thrown out like yesterdays trash. Education is pointless when all a man wants to see is between your legs. Equal pay and earning a living in your own right amounts to nothing. As a woman, you are supposed to starve and be beholding to another person for the rest of your life, if you don't want to, then see how far you get.
i'm not implying that all women who have an opinion are lesbians, fool. i respect women as our equal and obviously do not condone domestic violence. this is a MOVIE! don't you think that Travis felt some remorse? he did eventually apologise and realise that he was at fault, reuniting hunter with his mother. so what if jane had a questionable profession. parents and children should have unconditional love for one another, regardless of their circumstances.
Hey A34Z, movies effect and REFLECT Public opinions at any given time. This film shows cause and effect in a very effective manner. It tells me, that Men, in any given opportunity are USELESS. They are self absorbed, irresponsible idiots. I have some stats to help you in your quest for the truth. 98% of rapists are MALE. 95% of murders are MALE. 99% of Paedophiles are MALE. 91% of dead beat parents are MALE. 97% of terrorists are MALE . 80% of domestic violence is MALE induced. Digest that.
@starquant i'm notgoing totry and assail every comment you have. it seems that your animosity towards men may be founded in something that i'd rather not talk about. i'm just saying, don't dismiss every man. there some good dudes out there
Yep. I agree with you. The descrepency lies, when a Female is NOT part of a MALES immediate family. Things that Males will readily do to a female, seem to exclude a particular Female that is within their own family group( Such as a daughter, sister, mother or wife). THAT is when STUFF happens, to so called "random Females". It is really unfair and a movie should not be based on this premise. We don't react in such a fashion towards males and don't treat them as a lower form of life.
do you actually read the responses? your reply was totally irrelevant to my response. dude, your a lost cause. it doesn't matter whether or not the female is in the immediate family or not, every human has the capacity to discern between good and bad choices.
The capacity is somewhat deminished, when you are thrown out from your own family unit without a penny and have to make your own way in this life. It is done more routinely to females than males. Women have a harder road to haul, than any male ever did. A homeless woman ends up as a sex worker, a homeless males gets work as a street cleaner. Given to opportunity, I know which option I would take. Do you?.
I've read the entire thread and I think there has been some misconceptions. First of all, Starquant, it wasn't Travis who set Jane on fire, but Jane who set Travis on fire.
, I think people assumed you were a lesbian because of the sweeping and horrible generalizations you were making about men, not because you have an opinion, but because you have a very bad opinion about men in general.
@punkgoddis ok heres some facts, 98% of rapists are male, 99% of Pedophiles are MEN, 80 % of women receive minimum wage (Stats from United Nations).... Mate go and talk to someone who is ignorant. Plenty of Suckkers for the likes of you out there. I think your also an El Duce fan in your spare time, so go and do what you do best.
. It is only expected, that after saying so many awful things about EVERY SINGLE MAN, that one would assume you do not have relatioships with men... unless of course there is a few men that don't fit this description, which would mean you yourself know that it is a painfully shortsighted view of an entire gender.
A34Z, I suggest you go back and re-read Starquants comments and try not to Judge so harshly. We do not support our daughters. If a young girl shows a "free or independant will" we KICK HER OUT FROM OUR HOUSE. We do not support our daughters, emotionally or financially, WE TELL THEM how to live their lives and WHAT to do. If a young girl does not want to conform, then, we KICK her out. Where do you think all the sex workers come from?. It's really sad and stop attacking STARQUANT.
Starbuster, men ARE ignorant PERIOD!. When you have moved on from this realisation, let me know!. Women don't get good jobs, or decent pay or even a good home life...because the BOYS get everything .When the girls stand up and complain about it, they are labelled Whores and Lesbians. I just want a life where I can Live my own life and earn a decent living (with my clothes on) without the influence of these BASTARDS.
I am so glad she never had a daughter. Perhaps he would have done the Chinese thing, or Muslim thing, or Hindu thing and killed his own daughter at Birth. Good thing it was a boy then.
He reunites her with her son and then pisses off. She is left with all the bills,can't earn a living and is left to rot on WELFARE. Who the fck does he think he is, the lone ranger perhaps?. Reality is a colder mistress than this ill conceived piece of shit. I regret watching this a second time. It romantises Domestic Violence. It subjugates women and releases men of thier responsibility when they themselves become a parent. Who wrote this?. Phil Spector perhaps?.
Not to start anything here, but why would you think that?. She sent money for the child (when the father did not... no surprises there). She ended up on a profession, that most families will not support ( which dumbfounds me, as half the reason why a woman ends up in that situation is total lack of Financial support from Family in the first place). He basically "Dumped" the child back onto the Mother, "Ultimately implying "Do your Job, and I'll do nothing"..
@starquant ok there, psycho lesbo. your literal interpretations and feminist assertions are seriously getting on everyones nerves. i may bewrong, but what i got from it is almost like a social commentary at time where divorces, and single parents prevalent. In the end they seem to be an actual FAMILY, not in the traditional sense with 2.2 kids, dog etc, but a contemporary, REAL family. so chill, this film is awesome.
A woman with an opinion does not denote that she is a Lesbian. Think of the women in your "own" family before you condemn. If I was your mother or sister, I would be insulted and disgusted at your comment. I hope you have a happy and productful life (without women) because obviously you don't require them.
furthermore, you claim that i have poor relationships with women, implying that my life is devoid of female interactions, based on my interpretation of this film? your mentality seams to be conducive to poor/no relationships with men. if you are close-minded enough to believe that all men want is copulation, than your mentality is just as corrupted as those men who only want sex. If you want to continue a didactic feminist argument based on postulations which have no merit, that's fine with me!
This Film Fucked with my head when I first saw it when it was released. I watched it again and it has done the same thing. I wondered where I got my hatred of Men from, and it was this Film. I wonder if a woman abandoned her kid and wandered around for 4 years, would she be handed her kid back plus an expense account or perhaps be thrown in an insane asylum?. Men always Win, women end up as whores. He chained her up with a fuckin cowbell then when that didn't work, set her on fire.
0:53 Is that jessi slaughter's dad?
physicalKinetics 1 year ago
I'm impressed by your ability to find facts. At least the internet is good for something. I think you should read a book sweetie.
punkgoddis 1 year ago
@punkgoddis
But who is God ?
atombirdy 1 year ago
what song is playing in this trailer?
JWJD 1 year ago
, I find it particularly annoying (as a woman who works hard at an honest job) that whenever women get into the sex trade business the blame falls onto the men who are buying. WTF. This whole "poor me" mentality is the reason our gender lacks respect. There is always a choice. Would I make more money if I worked at a strip club? Probably. And it's MY CHOICE to do it or not. No one is making me take my clothes off or screw for money and the same goes for every woman living in a free country.
punkgoddis 1 year ago
One more thing... statistically, in the U.S., more homeless tend to be male and most of them are mentally ill. they aren't thown from there homes they just refuse to take medication or cannot afford it. There are more women shelters for abused, battered, and homeless women now then there have ever been and unlike a regular shelter, women's shelters do not kick you out in the morning..
punkgoddis 1 year ago
@ elpoo, Jesus loves you!!!
hurk13 1 year ago
The Band TEXAS fromScottland got their name from this movie!
hurk13 1 year ago
@hurk13 Who gives a shit, no one has ever heard of those fucks.
elpoo 1 year ago
@elpoo Take it easy dude....
QuixotePorSiempre 1 year ago
love this movie.
BlueScarecrow 1 year ago
a beautiful picture of reality.... and the fact ythat both can be at the same time awful and wonderful.
heloise121 1 year ago
Lovely movie
closer6171 1 year ago
angbody know what the song is?
cansam2905 1 year ago
@ starquant I was actually agreeing with you, so I don't get your defensiveness and arrogant contrariness. I "moved on", probably before you were born. I was commenting more on the fact that this movie is considered by movie critics as very good. I don't understand strangling the choir behind your preaching?! Abt story, I empathize with the mother's plight, but I care more abt Hunter. He deserves, as all kids do, a stable&solid home. Neither one of his parents could provide that. Mom can visit.
starbugster 1 year ago
Easy to care about the Plight of a MALE child, to the detriment of the Mother. Everyone does. This movie shows a dead beat dad, who pisses off and then all of a sudden "gets a conscience" and instead of "owning" his part, goes off "Locates the Mother" and drops the ball, straight back into her LAP. FUCK ME. If I knew a man like that, I would castrate him at the first available opportunity. This film romanticizes a negative and encourages Males to take the EASY way out. Be more clear plz.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant.Yes!What is so great abt this movie??The "hero" reminded me of the good ole white boys I met when I lived in Lubbock,TX-ugly, ignorant, certain they were every Am woman's dream 'cause theyMarlborough men.I didn't get his appeal to this gorgeous young woman.Ooh-ooh, she's missing him. WHY? And he hides behind seven, barely eight year old after abducting him from his loving bro.Torture, it sounded like so why wasn't she singing,"happiness is seeing ole uglyTravis in my rearview mirror"?
starbugster 2 years ago
Your point is nonsensical. I suggest you go away and do what you do best. Have another beer and have sex with your sister. I have tried to start an intellectual discussion here and that excludes retards and inbreeders. If you want to have sex with something that has a Vagina, then go and chase the animals on your farm, we are all Mammals after all.. Stop talking shit, go and "git" "edumacated" and come back when your ration of "moonshine" has run out.
starquant 1 year ago
seriously, how am i the uneducated one? look at your arguments, grammar etc. and you question my competency due to my assertions being nonsensical? clearly you are the one that needs to be educated. if you try to propagate feminist ideology make sure that you are more prepared. don't try to purvey that male dominate/ subjugate female bullshit. Although there are still inequities that exist between genders, the feminist movement has progressed and they do not need your regressive mentality.
A34Z 1 year ago
Your Grammar sucks too, you petty minded wanker, so go and hassle someone who gives a damn what you think.
starquant 1 year ago
You relayed absolutely nothing is your reply that refutes anything I said. All you did was presume, stereotype and utter trash babble to someone that you know abysmally nothing about. Let me put it in lingo you'll understand. Ya ain't got nuthin' to say. Nothing in your "discussion" was in any form or manner "intellectual", at least from the collegiate background I'm from. I still say this movie is trash, & I guess it appeals to trash. You need to learn some class, in a BIG way!
starbugster 1 year ago
Pm me for a comment. All the negatives seems to find me Ok. The Males that think I am a Lesbian. The simple fact is that, women are NOT cannon fodder, and thrown out like yesterdays trash. Education is pointless when all a man wants to see is between your legs. Equal pay and earning a living in your own right amounts to nothing. As a woman, you are supposed to starve and be beholding to another person for the rest of your life, if you don't want to, then see how far you get.
starquant 1 year ago
i'm not implying that all women who have an opinion are lesbians, fool. i respect women as our equal and obviously do not condone domestic violence. this is a MOVIE! don't you think that Travis felt some remorse? he did eventually apologise and realise that he was at fault, reuniting hunter with his mother. so what if jane had a questionable profession. parents and children should have unconditional love for one another, regardless of their circumstances.
A34Z 1 year ago
Hey A34Z, movies effect and REFLECT Public opinions at any given time. This film shows cause and effect in a very effective manner. It tells me, that Men, in any given opportunity are USELESS. They are self absorbed, irresponsible idiots. I have some stats to help you in your quest for the truth. 98% of rapists are MALE. 95% of murders are MALE. 99% of Paedophiles are MALE. 91% of dead beat parents are MALE. 97% of terrorists are MALE . 80% of domestic violence is MALE induced. Digest that.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant i'm notgoing totry and assail every comment you have. it seems that your animosity towards men may be founded in something that i'd rather not talk about. i'm just saying, don't dismiss every man. there some good dudes out there
A34Z 1 year ago
Yep. I agree with you. The descrepency lies, when a Female is NOT part of a MALES immediate family. Things that Males will readily do to a female, seem to exclude a particular Female that is within their own family group( Such as a daughter, sister, mother or wife). THAT is when STUFF happens, to so called "random Females". It is really unfair and a movie should not be based on this premise. We don't react in such a fashion towards males and don't treat them as a lower form of life.
starquant 1 year ago
do you actually read the responses? your reply was totally irrelevant to my response. dude, your a lost cause. it doesn't matter whether or not the female is in the immediate family or not, every human has the capacity to discern between good and bad choices.
A34Z 1 year ago
The capacity is somewhat deminished, when you are thrown out from your own family unit without a penny and have to make your own way in this life. It is done more routinely to females than males. Women have a harder road to haul, than any male ever did. A homeless woman ends up as a sex worker, a homeless males gets work as a street cleaner. Given to opportunity, I know which option I would take. Do you?.
starquant 1 year ago
And yes I do read your replies. Do you read mine?.
starquant 1 year ago
I've read the entire thread and I think there has been some misconceptions. First of all, Starquant, it wasn't Travis who set Jane on fire, but Jane who set Travis on fire.
punkgoddis 1 year ago
, I think people assumed you were a lesbian because of the sweeping and horrible generalizations you were making about men, not because you have an opinion, but because you have a very bad opinion about men in general.
punkgoddis 1 year ago
@punkgoddis ok heres some facts, 98% of rapists are male, 99% of Pedophiles are MEN, 80 % of women receive minimum wage (Stats from United Nations).... Mate go and talk to someone who is ignorant. Plenty of Suckkers for the likes of you out there. I think your also an El Duce fan in your spare time, so go and do what you do best.
starquant 1 year ago
. It is only expected, that after saying so many awful things about EVERY SINGLE MAN, that one would assume you do not have relatioships with men... unless of course there is a few men that don't fit this description, which would mean you yourself know that it is a painfully shortsighted view of an entire gender.
punkgoddis 1 year ago
A34Z, I suggest you go back and re-read Starquants comments and try not to Judge so harshly. We do not support our daughters. If a young girl shows a "free or independant will" we KICK HER OUT FROM OUR HOUSE. We do not support our daughters, emotionally or financially, WE TELL THEM how to live their lives and WHAT to do. If a young girl does not want to conform, then, we KICK her out. Where do you think all the sex workers come from?. It's really sad and stop attacking STARQUANT.
CarbonSXMonkey 1 year ago 2
Starbuster, men ARE ignorant PERIOD!. When you have moved on from this realisation, let me know!. Women don't get good jobs, or decent pay or even a good home life...because the BOYS get everything .When the girls stand up and complain about it, they are labelled Whores and Lesbians. I just want a life where I can Live my own life and earn a decent living (with my clothes on) without the influence of these BASTARDS.
starquant 1 year ago
I am so glad she never had a daughter. Perhaps he would have done the Chinese thing, or Muslim thing, or Hindu thing and killed his own daughter at Birth. Good thing it was a boy then.
starquant 2 years ago
He reunites her with her son and then pisses off. She is left with all the bills,can't earn a living and is left to rot on WELFARE. Who the fck does he think he is, the lone ranger perhaps?. Reality is a colder mistress than this ill conceived piece of shit. I regret watching this a second time. It romantises Domestic Violence. It subjugates women and releases men of thier responsibility when they themselves become a parent. Who wrote this?. Phil Spector perhaps?.
starquant 2 years ago
calm down, she's more than likely going to bring Hunter back to Walt and Anne.
iown813 2 years ago
Not to start anything here, but why would you think that?. She sent money for the child (when the father did not... no surprises there). She ended up on a profession, that most families will not support ( which dumbfounds me, as half the reason why a woman ends up in that situation is total lack of Financial support from Family in the first place). He basically "Dumped" the child back onto the Mother, "Ultimately implying "Do your Job, and I'll do nothing"..
starquant 2 years ago
@starquant ok there, psycho lesbo. your literal interpretations and feminist assertions are seriously getting on everyones nerves. i may bewrong, but what i got from it is almost like a social commentary at time where divorces, and single parents prevalent. In the end they seem to be an actual FAMILY, not in the traditional sense with 2.2 kids, dog etc, but a contemporary, REAL family. so chill, this film is awesome.
A34Z 1 year ago
A woman with an opinion does not denote that she is a Lesbian. Think of the women in your "own" family before you condemn. If I was your mother or sister, I would be insulted and disgusted at your comment. I hope you have a happy and productful life (without women) because obviously you don't require them.
starquant 1 year ago
furthermore, you claim that i have poor relationships with women, implying that my life is devoid of female interactions, based on my interpretation of this film? your mentality seams to be conducive to poor/no relationships with men. if you are close-minded enough to believe that all men want is copulation, than your mentality is just as corrupted as those men who only want sex. If you want to continue a didactic feminist argument based on postulations which have no merit, that's fine with me!
A34Z 1 year ago
This Film Fucked with my head when I first saw it when it was released. I watched it again and it has done the same thing. I wondered where I got my hatred of Men from, and it was this Film. I wonder if a woman abandoned her kid and wandered around for 4 years, would she be handed her kid back plus an expense account or perhaps be thrown in an insane asylum?. Men always Win, women end up as whores. He chained her up with a fuckin cowbell then when that didn't work, set her on fire.
starquant 2 years ago
Love this film one of my fave's.
AndrewYeardley 2 years ago
This movie is a must see. Amazing!
sf2fs 2 years ago
That voiceover guy must have become so fucking rich in the 1980s. He sounds like an asshole.
jpastuch 2 years ago
classic
Jalban 2 years ago
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dooom560 1 year ago