Well put, good on you. These pathetic pro-lifers quite obviously do not know anyone who is very very sick. How can someone stand in the way of helping others?
I know how hard it is to watch someone who is terminally ill and desperately want to find a cure for them. My husband has cystic fibrosis. According to doctors he doesn't have a long life ahead of him. However, we know that God can work miracles in our lives!! That being said, however, my husband and I would NEVER want to destroy the precious life of a little baby in an attempt to find a cure. A baby is a baby no matter how small. Ever seen Horton Hears a Who? :)
I wanted to add one more thing. Embryos can also be adopted (instead of being destroyed) by other infertile couples and given a chance at life. In fact, my husband and I are in the process of adopting 5 embryos right now. These little ones deserve a right to live... we are so excited to give them a warm womb to grow in and a home in which to love them!
An embryo is not a baby. A baby is a postnatal stage of human development. An embryo at this stage has none of the vital systems necessary for determining human life on any clinical level. Anyone with the vitals of an ex-utero embryo is clinically dead. Any parent of a dead child may donate their progeny to medical science, including, thankfully, IVF ova donors.
Of the hundreds of thousands of discarded waste embryos annually, only 100 or so have ever been adopted. What a waste of potential.
Even though I was an embryo conceived inside of my mother's womb instead of a petri dish, my life.... yes LIFE..... was precious to my mother. She fought to keep me safe andd healthy both prenatal and postnatal -to me, there is no difference. It's tragic to me that there aren't more people fighting for the rights of these little ones who cannot fight for themselves. They are life at it's earliest stage.
It's not really "back there," since no IVF embryo has ever been in the uterus in teh first place. The eggs are scraped directly from the ovaries and fertilized in a Petri dish. Since this is invasive surgery and a costly procedure, multiple eggs are harvested and fertilized simultaneously, resulting in significant overstock, the significant majority of which goes to waste.
vernacular "Embryonic Destruction Stem Cell Research" frames the issue clearly on the destruction of embryos as "lethal". No scientist known to Embryonic Stem Cell Research denies that embryos are destroyed in the process
Thanks for the comment L5. I got my number from 3 independent sources - 2 IVF clinic owners and 1 professor in microbiology. I have no intention of being rude, but may I ask from where you get your information? BTW, I erred in my last post, by saying that 1,200 embryos are trashed every year. The correct figure is 1,200 embryos are thrown into the trash in this country every DAY.
Sorry, but you've got your numbers confused. Of the famous "400,000" in storage that politicians bandy about, about 50,000 of them die per year, as the viability of a frozen embryo is 8 years. You can add those to the additional 400,000 thrown in the garbage in IVF clinics each year, and you get about 1,200 embryos being thrown into the garbage each year. Your only way out of that dilemma is to make IVF illegal.
I'm glad to have met a fellow activist. I will be participating in a nationwide rally on Oct. 5 to demand George Bush Step Down! They bomb the hell out of poor people and give them Sept. 11 every five seconds, but that's not murder. Then they blog that they've got goose bumps, because Armageddon is here. George Bush knows what's going on, because he's allowing these big Drug companies to strike it rich when they help people like you and my mom. We need to get pissed off and nasty NOW!
I usually don't give rejects the time of day. However, I'v been taking care of my elderly mother for almost four years, now. She's in the moderate stages of Alzheimer's AND a Diabetic. She lives with me and my "liberal" husband. I've yet to see my neocon, ugly, old sister wash my mother up, even once. My "liberal" husband has helped me do so. I know these right-wing, misogynistic freaks and losers only do it to piss us off. Let them say it to me in person, and believe me, I won't talk!
I really feel for your situation. I've lived in a wheelchair for the past 6 years and it hurts me more to see my family's pain than to experience my own.
I'm doing everything in my power to make trashing embryos instead of using them for cures an issue in November. I have to say that I don't believe the president is even aware of this. People have just got to understand the hyposcrisy of saying that you won't destroy life, when 1,000 lives of that description are destroyed every day.
Just a quick heads up on this: Stem cell surgery has been going on in China for the past 3 years, with very good results. You may want to check it out at www.stemcellschina.com. A number of Americans have had the treatment already.
Here's another underlying message: Georgey didn't paw @ a single black baby. Does that mean he's practicing eugenics, like Hitler did? Let's see. they both heard their mommas' voices in their heads, too. I bet you're not even 20 and never been with a REAL WOMAN; unless you're a lesbian, then I apologize profusely.Look up Liberalism in the Dictionary and while you're @ it, it's spelled JACKAL. Hold it! I think I hear your JACKAL momma calling -- Yup, she wants you back @ her teat!
There's not much reason to give people like the orthographically challenged podjackel the time of day. The only thing to keep in mind is that a minimum of 1,000 embryos are thrown in the garbage every single day in this country. Those who oppose the research are simply closing their ears - 1,000 embryos a day. Trashed. Incinerated. With the rest of the refuse from IVF clinics. Don't forget that. Ever.
Well, there's been about 100 years of cancer research... no cure yet, let's give up there for one... 20+ in AIDS research? pfffft, waste of time and money. Let's better use it to teach Jesus and junk.
Umm, what's the point? What else are you supposed to do with medical waist? Maybe Focus on the Family should use their millions to buy up all these expired cells and pay for christian funerals for all of them. Wouldn't that be the rigth thing to do?
Nobody in the national debate referred to them as "medical waste". As a matter of fact, nobody referred to trashed embryos at all. All you heard about was some drivel about 400,000 "currently in frozen storage that would otherwise be discarded". Well, aside from them, here are another 350,000 embryos being trashed every day - 1,000 embryos every day into the biohazard waste bin.
I agree, there was a big, big lie perpetuated by the opponents that these embryos were just waiting to be adopted, or worse yet, that they were fetuses of a few months in age being discarded, not just a few cells.
It is time to take hold of this topic with speed and intelligence. The benefits are clear. That the resource has been blocked is not based on science or common sense.
In my view, the ailing, disabled and dying are cannon fodder in the abortion war. From my perspective in my wheelchair, that is no way to live. If you're serious about taking action, my group has some plans. Please contact me if you're serious.
JMcH, nice one. I love when people throw the "if embryonic stem cell research is so great, why hasn't it produced any cures?" argument into the mix.
Of course the answer is because, while some universities and foundations have done limited research, the large scale work capable of providing treatment and cures HAS NOT been able to move forward, thanks mostly to the religious right, our absurd President, and unfortunately misled citizens like yourself.
Word. I can't stand it when religion gets in the way of science. I really shouldn't say this... but science has proven itself over and over... can't say the same for religion :s
I mean if these are getting thrown out anyways, wtf not put them to some use.
Thats funny pinter12 because many states have approved state funding for embryonic stem cell research! it is our of federal hands idiot! its called states rights...just as even though Bush is against abortion he cannot cause CAlifornia or any other state to discontinue them UNLESS the majority of america votes for its ban.<br>
corriespejo: Wrong again. It requires 2/3 congress (house and senate) or 2/3 states to introduce it, and 3/4 states or 3/4 state special committees to approve of it. That means that it pretty much will never happen.
Too bad embryonic stem cells have not produced one single treatement or cure in all the years the research has been going on. Otherwise, you'd almost have a valid point with this video. (Oh, let me guess. "We just need more embryos! We just need fresh embryos!")
If reasearch were fully funded we may have treatments developed here. Thanks to the ignorant but well organized NeoCons the U.S. public and economy are being deprived of what may eventually prove to be an excellent treament for many diseases. Other countries aren't sitting on their hands. When these treatments become available in places like China you can bet the rich politicians and their families that oppose this research will be heading there for their treatments while the poor suffer.
Here's something I didn't know. I thought all those embryos were in some big freezing vault in Utah or somewhere. It would be interesting to dump all these trashed embryos on the White House Lawn - great fertilizer, Mr. President!
Maybe instead of fertilizer, you can continue to use them for beauty treatments. Yep, just smear a few embryos around on a woman's face and presto! 10 years younger! Move over, Oil of Olay!
no guys, jumping forward in the field of medicine substantially is no where near importing as keeping the %#@$ pro-lifers quiet for a few minutes.
ProcrastiBrowser 1 year ago
Well put, good on you. These pathetic pro-lifers quite obviously do not know anyone who is very very sick. How can someone stand in the way of helping others?
izabellerenee 3 years ago
I know how hard it is to watch someone who is terminally ill and desperately want to find a cure for them. My husband has cystic fibrosis. According to doctors he doesn't have a long life ahead of him. However, we know that God can work miracles in our lives!! That being said, however, my husband and I would NEVER want to destroy the precious life of a little baby in an attempt to find a cure. A baby is a baby no matter how small. Ever seen Horton Hears a Who? :)
McCanneFAM 3 years ago
I wanted to add one more thing. Embryos can also be adopted (instead of being destroyed) by other infertile couples and given a chance at life. In fact, my husband and I are in the process of adopting 5 embryos right now. These little ones deserve a right to live... we are so excited to give them a warm womb to grow in and a home in which to love them!
McCanneFAM 3 years ago
An embryo is not a baby. A baby is a postnatal stage of human development. An embryo at this stage has none of the vital systems necessary for determining human life on any clinical level. Anyone with the vitals of an ex-utero embryo is clinically dead. Any parent of a dead child may donate their progeny to medical science, including, thankfully, IVF ova donors.
Of the hundreds of thousands of discarded waste embryos annually, only 100 or so have ever been adopted. What a waste of potential.
anachroeden 3 years ago
Even though I was an embryo conceived inside of my mother's womb instead of a petri dish, my life.... yes LIFE..... was precious to my mother. She fought to keep me safe andd healthy both prenatal and postnatal -to me, there is no difference. It's tragic to me that there aren't more people fighting for the rights of these little ones who cannot fight for themselves. They are life at it's earliest stage.
McCanneFAM 3 years ago
Thankyou, McCanneFAM. You make a good point.
AFactADay 2 years ago
An embryo is not a baby? Ohh really, sherlock!
An embryo is a human life. It is living. It's a LIVE cell.
Stopping something from living is the SAME as killing.
Think about it.
AFactADay 2 years ago
It's not really "back there," since no IVF embryo has ever been in the uterus in teh first place. The eggs are scraped directly from the ovaries and fertilized in a Petri dish. Since this is invasive surgery and a costly procedure, multiple eggs are harvested and fertilized simultaneously, resulting in significant overstock, the significant majority of which goes to waste.
anachroeden 3 years ago
vernacular "Embryonic Destruction Stem Cell Research" frames the issue clearly on the destruction of embryos as "lethal". No scientist known to Embryonic Stem Cell Research denies that embryos are destroyed in the process
glorbnic 4 years ago
Thanks for the comment L5. I got my number from 3 independent sources - 2 IVF clinic owners and 1 professor in microbiology. I have no intention of being rude, but may I ask from where you get your information? BTW, I erred in my last post, by saying that 1,200 embryos are trashed every year. The correct figure is 1,200 embryos are thrown into the trash in this country every DAY.
mkace 4 years ago
Sorry, but you've got your numbers confused. Of the famous "400,000" in storage that politicians bandy about, about 50,000 of them die per year, as the viability of a frozen embryo is 8 years. You can add those to the additional 400,000 thrown in the garbage in IVF clinics each year, and you get about 1,200 embryos being thrown into the garbage each year. Your only way out of that dilemma is to make IVF illegal.
mkace 4 years ago
You are a true hero! Keep up the good work and thank you!
cinjef 5 years ago
Actually it's embrionic not embionic. neocons are the anti christ.
cinjef 5 years ago
I'm glad to have met a fellow activist. I will be participating in a nationwide rally on Oct. 5 to demand George Bush Step Down! They bomb the hell out of poor people and give them Sept. 11 every five seconds, but that's not murder. Then they blog that they've got goose bumps, because Armageddon is here. George Bush knows what's going on, because he's allowing these big Drug companies to strike it rich when they help people like you and my mom. We need to get pissed off and nasty NOW!
ovendoll 5 years ago
I usually don't give rejects the time of day. However, I'v been taking care of my elderly mother for almost four years, now. She's in the moderate stages of Alzheimer's AND a Diabetic. She lives with me and my "liberal" husband. I've yet to see my neocon, ugly, old sister wash my mother up, even once. My "liberal" husband has helped me do so. I know these right-wing, misogynistic freaks and losers only do it to piss us off. Let them say it to me in person, and believe me, I won't talk!
ovendoll 5 years ago
I really feel for your situation. I've lived in a wheelchair for the past 6 years and it hurts me more to see my family's pain than to experience my own.
I'm doing everything in my power to make trashing embryos instead of using them for cures an issue in November. I have to say that I don't believe the president is even aware of this. People have just got to understand the hyposcrisy of saying that you won't destroy life, when 1,000 lives of that description are destroyed every day.
mkace 5 years ago
Just a quick heads up on this: Stem cell surgery has been going on in China for the past 3 years, with very good results. You may want to check it out at www.stemcellschina.com. A number of Americans have had the treatment already.
mkace 5 years ago
Here's another underlying message: Georgey didn't paw @ a single black baby. Does that mean he's practicing eugenics, like Hitler did? Let's see. they both heard their mommas' voices in their heads, too. I bet you're not even 20 and never been with a REAL WOMAN; unless you're a lesbian, then I apologize profusely.Look up Liberalism in the Dictionary and while you're @ it, it's spelled JACKAL. Hold it! I think I hear your JACKAL momma calling -- Yup, she wants you back @ her teat!
ovendoll 5 years ago
There's not much reason to give people like the orthographically challenged podjackel the time of day. The only thing to keep in mind is that a minimum of 1,000 embryos are thrown in the garbage every single day in this country. Those who oppose the research are simply closing their ears - 1,000 embryos a day. Trashed. Incinerated. With the rest of the refuse from IVF clinics. Don't forget that. Ever.
mkace 5 years ago
Well, there's been about 100 years of cancer research... no cure yet, let's give up there for one... 20+ in AIDS research? pfffft, waste of time and money. Let's better use it to teach Jesus and junk.
j2the3rd 5 years ago
Umm, what's the point? What else are you supposed to do with medical waist? Maybe Focus on the Family should use their millions to buy up all these expired cells and pay for christian funerals for all of them. Wouldn't that be the rigth thing to do?
gregcb 5 years ago
Nobody in the national debate referred to them as "medical waste". As a matter of fact, nobody referred to trashed embryos at all. All you heard about was some drivel about 400,000 "currently in frozen storage that would otherwise be discarded". Well, aside from them, here are another 350,000 embryos being trashed every day - 1,000 embryos every day into the biohazard waste bin.
So that's the point. Get itf?
9fp 5 years ago
I agree, there was a big, big lie perpetuated by the opponents that these embryos were just waiting to be adopted, or worse yet, that they were fetuses of a few months in age being discarded, not just a few cells.
hlinko 5 years ago
It is time to take hold of this topic with speed and intelligence. The benefits are clear. That the resource has been blocked is not based on science or common sense.
It is time for action.
guyser52 5 years ago
In my view, the ailing, disabled and dying are cannon fodder in the abortion war. From my perspective in my wheelchair, that is no way to live. If you're serious about taking action, my group has some plans. Please contact me if you're serious.
Martin
mkace 5 years ago
Martin is serious -- there's some great stuff underway, and anyone interested in really taking serious action should keep an eye out.
Also, if you want to take another action right now, support pro-stem-cell candidates.
We've raised nearly $14,000 in the first few weeks -- help us take this to $100,000
hlinko 5 years ago
Here's the link (annoyingly, YouTube seems to require it be broken up to post):
www Stem Cell Candidates org
hlinko 5 years ago
JMcH, nice one. I love when people throw the "if embryonic stem cell research is so great, why hasn't it produced any cures?" argument into the mix.
Of course the answer is because, while some universities and foundations have done limited research, the large scale work capable of providing treatment and cures HAS NOT been able to move forward, thanks mostly to the religious right, our absurd President, and unfortunately misled citizens like yourself.
pinter12 5 years ago
Word. I can't stand it when religion gets in the way of science. I really shouldn't say this... but science has proven itself over and over... can't say the same for religion :s
I mean if these are getting thrown out anyways, wtf not put them to some use.
ZeClassique 5 years ago
I agree!
chabooboo 5 years ago
with ZeClassique, that is.
chabooboo 5 years ago
Thats funny pinter12 because many states have approved state funding for embryonic stem cell research! it is our of federal hands idiot! its called states rights...just as even though Bush is against abortion he cannot cause CAlifornia or any other state to discontinue them UNLESS the majority of america votes for its ban.<br>
corrieespejo 5 years ago
corriespejo: Wrong again. It requires 2/3 congress (house and senate) or 2/3 states to introduce it, and 3/4 states or 3/4 state special committees to approve of it. That means that it pretty much will never happen.
AnExtropian 4 years ago
Too bad embryonic stem cells have not produced one single treatement or cure in all the years the research has been going on. Otherwise, you'd almost have a valid point with this video. (Oh, let me guess. "We just need more embryos! We just need fresh embryos!")
JMcH 5 years ago
If reasearch were fully funded we may have treatments developed here. Thanks to the ignorant but well organized NeoCons the U.S. public and economy are being deprived of what may eventually prove to be an excellent treament for many diseases. Other countries aren't sitting on their hands. When these treatments become available in places like China you can bet the rich politicians and their families that oppose this research will be heading there for their treatments while the poor suffer.
cinjef 5 years ago
acctually it has in clinical trials so shut the fuck up about things you dont know.
jaykia 5 years ago
Here's something I didn't know. I thought all those embryos were in some big freezing vault in Utah or somewhere. It would be interesting to dump all these trashed embryos on the White House Lawn - great fertilizer, Mr. President!
mkace 5 years ago
Maybe instead of fertilizer, you can continue to use them for beauty treatments. Yep, just smear a few embryos around on a woman's face and presto! 10 years younger! Move over, Oil of Olay!
JMcH 5 years ago