acquaintance with men in this city. And it shall come to pass in due time that I will give this city into your hands, that you shall have power over it, and its wealth pertaining to gold and silver shall be yours. Concern not yourselves about your debts, for I will give you the power to pay them. No treasure was ever discovered, nor did Salem ever fail to hands of the Mormons. FAILED
“Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Salem Massachusetts, August 6, 1836. At this time leaders of the LDS Church were heavily in debt due to their labors in the ministry”
I, the Lord your God, I have much treasure in this city for you, for the benefit of Zion, and many people in this city. Therefore, it is expedient that you should form acquaintance with men in this city.
“Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Salem Massachusetts, August 6, 1836. At this time leaders of the LDS Church were heavily in debt due to their labors in the ministry”
I, the Lord your God, I have much treasure in this city for you, for the benefit of Zion, and many people in this city. Therefore, it is expedient that you should form acquaintance with men in this city.
Petition NOT heard nor protection granted, yet congress was never broken up and continues in function until this day. It’s interesting that the LDS added a notation. If it was meant for democratic parties, congress is made up of representatives from both parties. Democratic and Republicans’ Mormons were making an appeal to the General government, not to the Democratic Party. FAILED.
Prophesy # 4 Congress to be broken up as a government.
While discussing the petition to Congress, I prophesied, by virtue of the holy priesthood vested in me, and in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that, if congress will not hear our petition and grant us protection, they shall be broken up as a government and God shall dam them, and there shall be nothing left of them. Vol. 22 P. 455 History of the Church Vol, 6 P. 116
Prophesy # 4 Congress to be broken up as a government.
While discussing the petition to Congress, I prophesied, by virtue of the holy priesthood vested in me, and in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that, if congress will not hear our petition and grant us protection, they shall be broken up as a government and God shall dam them, and there shall be nothing left of them. Vol. 22 P. 455 History of the Church Vol, 6 P. 116
Prophesy # 4 Congress to be broken up as a government.
While discussing the petition to Congress, I prophesied, by virtue of the holy priesthood vested in me, and in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that, if congress will not hear our petition and grant us protection, they shall be broken up as a government and God shall dam them, and there shall be nothing left of them. Vol. 22 P. 455 History of the Church Vol, 6 P. 116
History of the Church, Vol. 5, page 394). Date of prophesy May 6 1843, no action taking by the government, and today the Government still stands FAILED
Prophesy # 3 The United States Government to be overthrown in a few years.
I prophecy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left for their wickedness
to testify of my name and bear glad tiding unto the world.” (Doctrine and Covenants 114:1) April 17 1838 David Patten died in October 1838 and he never went on a mission the following spring. FAILED
@Chinaculiacan I'm not gonna get into all of your things.. but this one I happened to read. The funny thing is that you think that he had to be living to go on a mission. When Christ died, he went to heaven and took the righteous with him to spirit prison to teach the people who never heard of Him. There is missionary work in heaven just like on earth. There are billions of people who have never had the opportunity to hear about Jesus. Are they pushed aside? No. They are taught. By missionaries.
@QC51 OOK?Billions od people ah? Can you give a bible verse? is there a prison in heaven? hum? he took the righteous with him? Dude, everything u've given me has no bible verse at all, so when you have them, reply.
Speaking in the name of our Lord Joseph Smith declared, “Verily, thus saith the Lord: it Is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself
Prophesy # 1. President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. It was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time. For the coming of the Lord, which was nigh, even fifty six years should wind up the scene. (History of the church, Vol. 2, page 182) Prophesy spoken by Joseph in 1835 and recorded by Oliver colliery. FAILED
Patty Bartlett Sessions march 1842 age 47 already married to David Sessions. Marinda Johnson Hyde April 1842 age 27 already married to Orson Hyde. Elizabeth Davis Durfee June 1842 age 50 already married to Jabez Durfee. Sarah Kingsley Cleveland june 1842 age 53 already married John Cleveland.
Patty Bartlett Sessions march 1842 age 47 already married to David Sessions. Marinda Johnson Hyde April 1842 age 27 already married to Orson Hyde. Elizabeth Davis Durfee June 1842 age 50 already married to Jabez Durfee. Sarah Kingsley Cleveland june 1842 age 53 already married John Cleveland. This is for the ones who are thinking of joining the LDS Jose was a womanizer and a false prophet. He married little girls and other mans wives.
Lucinda Morgan Harris 1838 already married to George W Harris. Zina Hunting Jacobs Oct 1841 age 20 already married to Henry Jacobs. Presendia Huntington Buell Dec 1841 age 31 already married to Norman Buell.Sylvia Sessions Lyon Feb 1842 age 23 already married to Windsor Lyon. Mary Rollins Lightner Feb. 1842 age 23 already married to Adam Lightner.
Didn't the missionaries ever tell you about the Book of Mormon? Did you ever read the Book of Mormon?
We believe that the Book of Mormon, just like the Bible, is the word of God. and if it is the word of God, then Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God. and if Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God, then everything he said that God told him we should do, we do it, like building temples.
“But even if we or an angel from heaven (moroni) should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, curse be on him!” Galatians 1:6-9 Morman’s are not prepared for the coming apocalypse, Huge Sorrow will be to the morman who refuse to see the truth, You have been warned your fall will be great. Read the BIBLE ONLY!
you quote 1 cor. 3:16-17 then say that "mormons believe that the temples they build... these are where god inhabits you". once again friend u have wrested the scriptures, or at least our interpretation of them. the large majority of symbolism in the temple points to our bodies as the temple of God. all sacred things typify Christ. we believe our bodies are temples like the scriptures say. so we agree, the problem is in ur assumption that we do not.
"mormons believe the temple is the holiest experience you can have". that is not accurate. refer to my previous post below.
Acts 17:24 "God does not dwell in hand made temples" in no way means that his Holy Spirit can not abide, visit, or be shed abroad there. God dwells on high! i dwell at my house. that doesnt mean i cant leave.
"the mormons believe that the closest you can ever be to God is in the temple". come on now. u muttered that quickly and ur tone when you said it tells me u know it's a stretch. the closest u can be to God is literally to be in his presence and to be "one" with God as described in Jesus' intercessary prayer in John chapter 17. we also believe that we are to strive to recieve and audience with the Lord himself. whether that happens in a temple or in the mountains or in your home it is the same.
Name the 1 time during Jesus ministry he "flips out". When his fathers house was defiled by money changers. Also you are quoting scripture regarding Pagan worshippers at the temple of Apolo. not jewish temples. Acts is full of the desciples work at the
temple.
Gods people have always built a house of holiness to the lord.
I know for a fact that Mormons also teach that their body is a temple and they should take good care of it. I was an active member for several years where they spoke of this in general conference and church lessons. The way I see it and probably a lot of other members of the LDS, is that the Temple is just an addition to the church for a quite, peaceful dwelling they can go to outside the church and rest of the world to converse with their father in heaven. Although they do have weird rituals.
@camdawg7 Amen brother,,,I have come to the exact same realization. People can try so hard to be a "christian" that they end up worshiping the bible and not God himself. It always comes down to interpretation, interpretation, INTERPRETATION! And that is all you have,,,,Unfortunately that is not enough. How do you know how you read the Bible is correct? Is that all you are going to go on is interpretation? You have no confirmation or authority and are blind leading the blind.
a temple i for mormans who are worthy is for ppl to get away from the world and the noise just to feel the spirit and that is why u can get close with god because there is no noise in temples there is a room that no one is aloud to talk so ppl can feel the sprit i havent been in this room because i am only 13 to do baptisims for the dead how our is our cerimonies mezodic?
Why did Paul continue to attend the temple, even after his conversion to Christ?
The temple is about sacrifice. In the temples of old, animals were sacrificed for the sins of the people. Today, the sacrifices are different, but we are still asked to sacrifice.
Also, to say that one person's beliefs are heretical just because they don't agree with yours is very conceited and even heretical itself. There is no reason why I should accept your interpretation of the Bible over my own.
We don't need that? Why? How can you say that we don't need it? Has God told us to stop worshiping in temples? I wish my church had temples. They are places where everyone is dressed similar and is equal, where people can contemplate and not have distraction. It is a place where God can dwell within each and every person there. The Mormon's also teach that the body is a temple.
His point is that the body is the temple in which God dwells. Does God dwell in your body? Is Jesus in your heart? He does not need the Mormon temples to dwell. Mormons always say that there temples are like the Jewish temples. It is interesting because their was only one Jewish Temple not many like the Mormon temples. The Temple was on Mount Mariah. We do not need the temple because we no longer need to do sacrifices because Jesus is our sacrifce. He said it is finish when he was ont he cross
Also the Jewish temple had an outter court, and inner court, and a holy of holies. The holy of holies is where God dwelled. God does not dwell in the temple any more but dwells in believes. The body of believes make up the temple. When Jesus was on the cross the thick viel that shut off the holy of holies riped and the temple was destroyed later on because it is no longer need. High priest no longer have to go into the holy of holies on behalf of us because Jesus goes to God on behalf of us.
TO quote Acts about not needing temples made with hands - is not proper CONTEXT of that scripture - if you read it - you will notice it is speaking of FALSE temples he was refering to where they had idols. Consider this - all the Christians CONTINUED to attend the temple even AFTER christ left until it was destroyed. Christ himself thought the temple was important enough that the ONLY time he got upset was when they had defiled his fathers house - hmm doesn't sound like it isn't important.
@imtherealthing. The temple was very important until Jesus became the final sacrifc for our sins. Jesus said it is finished. The thick viel that close of the holy of holies in the temple was riped when Jesus was on the cross by God. God no longer dwells in it but in the body of his believers. The body of Christ makes up the Temple. The interesting thing to me is that the Jews only had one temple with an inner court, outer court, and holy of holies while mormons have many temples.
We do teach that our bodies are temples. I have been taught that since a VERY early age. like since i was four. that is one of the main things we teach! Please make sure what you are saying is true before you put it on the internet.
Remember Christians, the will of God is no Catholic, Protestant,Orthodox, Penticostal, Adventist, JW, Mormon Etc. NO DIVISION, Only Christians, holy, helping and sharing instead of buying and selling.
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 17:9-21)
that means they believe thats the only place it dwells and not in there bodies as well?... This guy obviously hasnt studied that religion enough... or he wouldnt have said or put it the way he has. Cuz they definitley know that your body is a temple for the Holy Ghost. Annd Id bet my life they do more to make sure there bodies are pure for that spirit than he does. There beliefe is not what he tries to make it out to be
So where does this guy get the idea that mormons dont believe our bodies to be temples as well? Lol like mormons dont believe that?!? They are probably the church ive studied the MOST to teach that principle!!! They dont drink or smoke or take in harmfull substances BECAUSE they believe their bodies are temples! They stay pure moraly for the same reason! aND THEY TEACH THAT BETTER THAN ANY CHURCH IVE STUDIED OR BEEN TO!!! What, just because they feel it stronger IN THERE BODIES when in the templ
This may have been mentioned before, but why did Christ throw the people out of the Temple when he saw them selling things there? If the Temple wasn't important or necessary don't you think that He would have just left them alone? And you should also count the references to temples in the Bible after Christ's crucifixion. If they were not necessary after Christ then why did the apostles still go to the temple? Was it just a social gathering place? No...it was a place to worship God.
But remember, the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 CE by the Romans, and hasnt be rebuilt yet. My point is that the temples and the rituals there in, were all foreshadowing Jesus Christ.(Col 2:14-17) Now that Jesus is at the Right hand of God as our Great High Priest, we enter into his Spiritual temple through faith by grace.
That is ONLY your interpretation - sorry - doesn't wash in the CONTEXT of the FACT that the LORD commanded temples to be built - PERIOD!..how - by hands of men...all throughout the bible we see this..even in NT times. YOu take the scripture in Acts 17 to mean HIS temples when it is IN CONTEXT speaking of the pagan temples. We also know that a temple will be built in the last days - read Revelations. We LDS also have modern prophets. Too bad you jumped into false christiandom & not the LDS faith
@Newagegamer3018 i appreciate your point of view and see a lot of similarities in our beliefs. on my mission i always enjoyed running into Jehovahs Witnesses on the streets or being welcomed into their homes to study. in my experience you are a very sincere and studious people indeed. my only suggestion would be not to try and minimize mormon beliefs in an effort to make them arguable via scripture. instead, try to understand them at their profoundest level.
@eruzeis. The temple was very important before Jesus died and shed is blood on the cross. WE do not need the temple any more because he was the final sacrific for our sins. Jesus on the cross said it is finished and God riped the thick viel that blocked of the holy of holies where God dwelled. He does not dwell there but now dwells in our bodies along with Jesus in our hearts. The body of Christ is God's temple now. The temple is no longer needed to sacrific animals for our sins.
You picked some good scriptures. There's only one problem I found with your logic. Your strongest scripture was this one Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
The problem is that the Jews had been told by God to build a temple with their hands. God is the same yesterday today and forever. The scripture above would make God a liar if He meant it the way you have interpreted it.
No it does not mean that God changed. It just means it is no longer needed because we no longer need to do sacrifices in it. God's character is still the same. The problem is this. He is a just God and the payment for our sins have been satisfied through Jesus shed blood on the cross. Sacrifices of animals in the holy of holies is no longer needed because our sins have already been paid for. God did not change. If you say that God changes by the place he dwells then the old testiment is wrong to
I remind you that if you chose that and say if we are no longer commanded to build temples with our hands as God has changed then I point to your church. God commanded that blacks could not hold the priesthood and then latter changed to allowing them to blacks being able to hold the priesthood. If you think that God does not change their then it is the same situation with temples. Circumstances changed, not God.
If temples are nonsense, then why have they been built? Why did Christ preach in them? Why did jehova command them to be built? Why did he appear in them? This type of person finds one scripture or 2 that say otherwise, and believes it completely. I say let them build temples, and let them worship how they please. It doesn't harm anyone. They aren't making a profit off of temple building. Certain scriptures found in the new testament were written for a select group of people. Not everyone.
But we need even more decadent Cathedrals? Notre Dam, what nonsense! St Peter's, rubbish! Christianity and Mormonism do the exact same thing, and most mormons I know do believe their body is a temple and the spirit dwells there, not only in a building with masonic symbols.
Did he just say we don' t need temples? I would ask anyone who feels the same way to step foot in one first before they make a judgement as to weather or not we need them. If you have not ever set foot into the house of God. Then how do you know weather or not they are needed?
The temples are used to perform sacred ordinances of the complete of the gospel to benefit those on earth AND those that are dead. We (mormons), after we get baptized into the church we get confirmed by a member of the higher or Melchezidek Priesthood, and receive the gift of the holy ghost, so we do beleive that the holy spirit does dwell in us, but if temples are so useless why did Jesus go to the temple, overturn the vendor's tables and say that this is my Fathers house, and banish all activi
@metalfanatic. We no longer need to do the ordinances of the old testiment because they were nailed to the cross with Jesus, Colossians 2:14-17. Also Jesus fulfulled the law. Jesus was the final High Priest, there is no need for it to be passed on. The temple was extremely important until he died on the cross and did away with the ordinances. He sacrific for our sins is complete. Sacrifices are no longer needed. Like Jesus said, it is finished and God riped the thick viel to the holy of holies.
I definitely think all should see bryank81's comments, the ordinances done now are to make sure that ALL who want to can join in the true church and return to Heavenly Father after the resurrection, the point is for all to be able to join Him and to continue to serve Him throughout eternity. Also, who is to say that we don't need them, they bring amazing joy and the Prophets today are given truths to tell the people of today so that they may better prepare themselves and have a happier life
@metal. Who is to say that we don't need them? The Bible is clear that we do not need them. The were nailed to the cross. Jesus abolished them, "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace" Ephesians 2:15. The Bible is clear that Jesus fulfulled the law and ordiences. We no longer live under the law but under grace Romans 6:14; 10:4; 7:4,6, Luke 16:16, 2 Corint. 3:14. Galat. 3:24-25.
our lives today as much, if not more than they were in the Old Testament, and when Christ was on the earth.
There is a Prophet leading Gods people today as was in old times. There are 12 Apostles on the earth also. God is the same, yesterday, today, and forever. Which means He doesnt change; His structure, His foundations, or His teachings. His method of leading His children who choose to follow Him IS the same as it was in old times. Prophets, Apostles, Quorums of 70.
ordinances that are required by God to return to Him. Modern day revelation is the answer. What is the Bible if not the writings of prophets and the REVELATIONS they received from their Savior. Most likely you have been taught and believe that the heavens are closed, there is no more revelation. That is incorrect. Nowhere in any scripture passage does it state such. The heavens are open and revelation, prophecies, healings, all of the same blessings of the Spirit are present in
@bryank81. The ordinances wee nailed to the cross and done away with, Colossians 2:14-17. Also Jesus was the final prophet. That does no mean that people cannot have th gift of prophecy. Jesus is our high priest and is in the heart of believes. We can communicate with God directly through prayer and reading the Bible. We do not need the office of the Prophet. We do not believe the heavens are closed.
Both situations, men that did not have the power of the priesthood, (the power to act in Gods name), to perform such translation.
Because the bible is flawed, flawed meaning that (important parts have been taken, and unimportant things added), and if you dont believe that try reading it. We must depend on something more than just the Bible to lead us and guide us perfectly back to our Father in Heaven. It lacks many of the principles and doctrines and
@bryan. I have read the Bible and it is sufficient for salvation. It is pretty clear when you read it and God has given you the eyes to see and the ears to hear. It is all there. There is evidence for what is written in the Bible also like the dead sea scrolls showing that what was written back then is what is written now. The Bible is sufficient. You are right though it does lack a lot of the Mormon principles and doctrines that show a different path to salvation.
@waterplo12 What do you mean the bible is sufficient? Do you have to have the bible to be saved? Absolutely not! That's worse than saying you are saved by your works! One only needs to believe in Christ and what he did for us and to fully accept his Atonement to be saved. You can learn all of this through another person, the bible, internet, praying etc... You don't need physical things to be saved.
@camdawg7 The bible isn't a book, it's a collection of books that some men decided to put together as much as they could find. Did they include all of the Prophets that lived at the time? Obviously not from what we have of the dead sea scrolls. They only decided on some of the prophets writings to include in this accumulation. Why not have all of the prophets words? Would that be bad? The mormons just include more prophets writings at the time but from the american continent.
@camdawg. What I mean by sufficient is that the Bible is sufficient to lead someone to salvation by believing in Christ and have an understanding of who God is. It is the word of God and it helps to increase someone's faith.
And what I'm saying is that the Bible is extreemely repetitive! You only need about 2 pages worth to sum it all up, it is so stinkin redundant. All the mormons do with their book is MORE REPETITION. You DON'T need 99/100ths of the bible. So why do we have it? For repetition. Why do they have the book of mormon.. for repetition. Of course all you need is the bible. Really all you need to know is what Christ did for us and that doesn't take too long to learn. (maybe an hour)
It's not the "Bible" that is so sacred and holy that you gotta praise it.. it's just a physical entity that helps us understand the word of god. What you should be praising and bowing to is God's word, not the "book". God's word can come from anywhere, not just the bible. So I'm sure there is some of God's words in the Book of mormon, there are some of god's words coming from your preacher, some of god's words coming from prayers. The "book" isn't going to save you, the words will.
@camdawg. What I am saying is the Bible is the word of God. The Book of Mormon does have a lot of the same stuff as the Bible but it has some extra stuff also. One example being you are saved by grace after all that you can do. The part that is extra is "after all that you can do." Nothing that you do saves you. That point is you have to use the word of God which we already have, the Bible and compare it to other books and what prophets say to see if it matches up.
So you don't need to follow the commandments to be saved? You don't have to love god or your neighbor? You can be evil and kill people and rape babies but accept Christ as your savior and still you're saved? If that's what the bible preaches then I know that I would not want to follow the idiot who made those rules. No, I'm pretty sure the bible preaches repentance doesn't it? (That's a serious question I don't know all that you Christians teach)
@camdawg. Those are good questions "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10 No human is righteous on their own accord. Are there sins that are worse than others? The answer is no. If one commits one sin then they are guilty of the whole law and that even includes murder. "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:20.
@camdawg. It is a tall task to be as righteous as the Pharisees since the Pharisees we considered by men to be the most righteous of the time. Our righteousness is imputed to us because of Jesus sacrifice and taking on the sins of the world on the cross. When we confess that he is are Lord and savior and have faith that his blood covers us we are saved. Are salvation is sealed by the stamp of the Holy Spirit.
@camdawg. We do not obey God because it will save us or make us righteous but because it is a result of being saved and being clothed in Jesus's righteousness. It is God who is the author and finisher of our salvation. We are made into a new creation. Now will a Christian still stumble at times, absolutely, but it is God who continues to work on us and purify us. We repent and renew our minds because we are a new creation. By reading God's word, the Bible, it helps us to renew our minds.
@camdawg. Back to your question if someone can be evil and be saved? Well the Bible states that no one is good so the answer is if the person's Lord and savior is Jesus Christ then yes. Can people kill people and rape babies be saved if Jesus is their Lord and savior? The Bible says that if we commit one sin then we are guilty of the whole law so one sin is not worse than any other.
@camdawg. The point is we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God and need Jesus as our Lord ans savior so we can be saved and have his righteousness imputed to us. These people who murder are rap babies need Jesus just as much as anyone else. The need Jesus as their Lord and Savior and allow God to work on them and to purify them. Look at the thief on the cross he did not have anytime to do righteous works but he had faith in Jesus and believed upon him and he was saved.
"For it is: Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule; a little here, a little there."
Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues God will speak to this people, to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest"; and, "This is the place of repose"— but they would not listen.
" So then, the word of the LORD to them will become: Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule; a little here, a little there— so that they will go and fall backward, be injured and snared and captured."
You really need to study the scriptures a bit more if you are to understand temples and their purpose in the grand scheme of things. Most of all, you have to ask Him (God) in prayer. Sorry to break this to you but the bible isnt perfect. It has been translated around 25 times in between the prophets original writings of them and the King James Version. After the KJV, it has been translated upwards of 500 times.
@bryank. Really that is not shown by the dead sea scrolls and other evidences which show that what was written way back then is the same. Also even with all the different translations we can always go back to the origonal Greek for the New Testiment.
I'm plainly writing this in answer to poster of this video's statements.
In "my opinion", Mormon's DO teach that your bodies are a temple (in and of themselves) in regards to not defacing, or disrespecting them. They are seen as a gift from God.
Again, in MY opinion, going to the temple is a way for you to get closer to God, NOT physically closer, but in a spiritual sense. And with an atmosphere of respect, love, & humility as is shown in a temple you can feel closer to God.
okay sub calling someones comments/opinions extremely stupid is gonna offend that person u moron,yes we have temples to congregate and worship the lord together the way he wants us to, but as the guy in the vid said the bible says we are the temples and those are just man made structures,christians can get together in a garage and worship and that would be okay with our beliefs, seeing as how u guys fancy urselves as another form of christianity why dont u respond to the scripture he referenced?
HAHAHA. I do not want to come off as offensive in any way. However, that was EXTREMELY stupid. You said, "We don't need temples anymore because, we, uh... just don't need them anymore." "They had them in Jerusalem to get closer to God."
Is the Lord NOT the same yesterday, today and forever????? If he IS the same, (AND THE BIBLE SAYS HE IS THE SAME) Then we need temples now just like they have throughout the last thousands of years.
...the same yesterday, today and forever....That phrase is so often misused. God's righteousness, love, mercy, his plan, power, grace, etc is unchanging, yes. BUT HE often changes how HE operates. For example, we no longer have animal sacrifices. We no longer rely on carnal priests. God even swore that Jesus was a Priest, thus changing the law of priesthood (see Hebrew 7:18-22.) This passage also shows that God enters into new covenants and changes the nature of operation with man. There's more.
Whos to say what God will do? He is! He lets us know what His plan is in His Word. He always let the people know His plan before it happened. Its called Prophecy.
Jesus is the fulfillment of EVERYTHING needed for a)reconciliation with the Father, b) salvation and c) everlasting life.
HE is:
a. the sacrifice itself,
b. the administrator (or High Priest) of said sacrifice
c. EVERYTHING the Temple represented.
And with the veil torn, man cleansed and blessed with the Holy Spirit, HE put ALL believers into the priestly class(Rev.1:6) because WE BEING the temple, God dwells in us through the Holy Spirit (Romans 8, esp.8:9-11 and 2Cor.6:16)
Doctrine is easily found in the Word and we are continually encouraged to know it and keep it (Rom 6:19; 1Tim. 4:16). We are also encouraged to use scripture for correction, reproof and that it is good for doctrine. (2Tim.3:16).
I will explain this, eternal marriage and baptism link the entire human family together. This is part of what the melinium is going to be for. That way all men to ever live have the opportunity to choose Christ. Another scripture, says that all men come to God through Christ. This is the process by which it happens.
There is not one shred of historical evidence for The Book of Mormon. The Bible, however, is rich with archeological proofs. Hence, Mormonism is a joke; Christianity at least is backed up by historical data. (AND DO NOT SAY that Mormonism is a "christian" faith. IT IS NOT!)
Virtually every city mentioned in the Bible has been found. The historical data in terms of leadership progression for Israel and the surrounding countries has been proved valid via other historical sources. These same kind of proofs cannot be found for the Book of Mormon.
most of the cities mentioned in the bible are citites that already existed, if the bible talked to Moscow or Canada i still wouldnt believe it, the proof im talking about it of jesus, no historical proof, of the ark of the covenant, no historical proof, the 12 apostles, creation, talking animals and burning bushes, i have more proof saying the keyboard im typing on is god than some invisible guy in the sky, like santa clause, religion is an invention, get it thru ur thick skull
"most of the cities mentioned in the bible are cities that already existed"---well, yes indeed. But that little factoid is what separates the Bible from, say the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon has no historical basis whatsoever.
There is no "good way" to approach god, he has killed millions, he invented slavery, cancer, suffering, hell, the devil, demons, and evil (to name a few). His justice is obscene, or do you really think it's fair for a woman to be forced under the law to marry her rapists. Your "loving god" even regrets creating mankind as indicated in Genesis and he sends angels to lie to his prophets as seen in 2nd Chronicles 18. No truly "good" god requires or condones your woship.
Is that the best this guy can do? He raises some interesting issues, but is too quick to think he's gotten to the end of the argument. For example, his argument that God dwells in us, making temples unnecessary, ignores the fact that Mormons also believe God dwells in us. Mormons don't go to temples to experience God. They go to temples to engage in activities that celebrate the kind of life they've chosen. If, in worshipping as they do, they feel happier, it's hardly an indictment.
I hjust want to say that I live in Sweden, and mormons over here don't have any 200 year old decorated churches for sunday meetings and weddings. We only use very stripped out modern brick houses for chapels with electric church organs.
We really need the temple for weddings etc. to feel the spirit more deeply and to feel closer to god like christians would do in some of their stunningly bautiful old churches!
God does and did dwell in temples. It is all over in the Bible. The "handmaid" temples that are referred to in the your verses are clearly described as the idols and altars of "an unknown God" in the previous verses of scripture. You need to read the whole thing and not take the verses out of context. The same is true for acts 7:48. you have to read before hand and see what it is referring.
May I ask you a question. If Christ does not approve of temples why did he clean out the temple when He was on the earth if eventually He did not care for there use.
Now I am not saying that the Temples of the Bible are not important. Its very clear that Jesus Christ will eventually have the Temple rebuilt in Jerusalem. What I am saying is that is this age, Christ fulfills all the needs of the Temple and the laws of the Old Testament.(Col 2:16,17) I believe the Temple and the Sabbath and all the practices of the path were just a foreshadowing of what was to come, the reality however is found in Christ!
Is ther any where in the New Testament you see temples mentioned that are built with hands of men that are sanctioned by GOD? No!!! Acts 7:46-50, sums it up, when it come to how GOD feels on temples built by man. I didn't say it GOD did. Read it for yourselves.
Think how much money would pour into our economy if the government would start taxing religion. Property Tax, income tax, sales tax on supplies, personal property tax on cars & vans. God of all people should pay his taxes.
Dude don't get confused on your doctrine. God has always always had temples where his saints can go to worship. If you can point out one time period where the true church of god is on the earth and he hasn't appointed his prophet to build a temple? I think you need to be a little more sure of your doctrine before you go making these ridiculous videos.
yea totally agree with you. I just had some mormon girls come to my house today and they were talking about the temples. That you have to be righteous and pure to enter. I was like i thought the temple was within us through christ. The bible is the only protection against deception. Good message dude......
If you read the Book of Revelation, there are several prophecies about Christ returning to his temple. And about the temple playing a vital role in the second coming. If templs are no more, then John was a false prophet.
Dude don't get confused on your doctrine. God has always always had temples where his saints can go to worship. If you can point out one time period where the true church of god is on the earth and he hasn't appointed his prophet to build a temple? I think you need to be a little more sure of your doctrine before you go making these ridiculous videos.
Dude, might want to save some face and check your sources. Half of the stuff your saying on these videos makes zero sense. Bashing someone's religion after 5 months of studying is pretty lame anyway. Why don't you try a more constructive approach--more Christian approach--and tell us what you believe in personally instead of abysmally misinterpreting another religion.
Three things. You need a new mike, the sound quality is horrible. If the Book of Moromon is a lie then the LDS Church is a lie. It comes down to that. Finally never has the LDS Church taught that God is literally in the Temple. Someone has lied to you, or you have misunderstood what you have studied. You probably mean well so I appreciate the effort. I hope you can get past your issues and embrace The true Church that has been restored.
Correction at 2:36, The Israelites believed that God physically manifested, existed, within the Holy of Holies of the Temple. God commanded that the Temple be built as well as the tabernacle of old. Don't take my word for it, look it up yourself. I understand you feel an urge to correct what you feel is in error. But lets make sure your right first. There are too many folks who give the Holy Bible the once over and begin to preach and judge others automatically.
May I suggest that you also read some of the Fair articles as well as viewing Fair posts on Youtube, Also Check out some of the Backyardprofessor videos...but be warned..you might learn something that may be thought provoking, and be prepared to learn. I am not flaming you, but I just feel you have to educate yourself. You are not entirely wrong, but you are not entirely right.
Mormons also believe that you don't need the Temple to be close to the spirit. Some of Joseph Smiths as well as my own spitituall experiences happened in dark places. Also we believe the exact same thing that are bodies are sacred and Temples and that the spirit can dwell in us. So you a little off, but I do respect your opinion and kind words. I wish you were a little more open minded on this, Jesus himself visited Temple and called it his Fathers house. This just takes understanding.
Your reference seems to suggest that the jews were wrong to build temples as well. You are also mistaken about the Mormons not believing that their bodies are temples, for Jesus did teach that our bodies are a temple, but did not the ancient people build temples to perform gods holy works? Yes Mormons build temples to perform their most sacred ordinences and covenants, but they also consider their bodies temples of the lord.
You have never been to a "Mormon" temple, have you? Of course not. If you had, this video would most certainly not have been posted. If everyone on Earth had been to one besides you, you would be deemed by everyone the most ignorant person on the planet
You think that five months with the missionaries made you an expert on LDS religion? That's very funny cause I'm a convert of 22 years and I'm still learning. Please!!! before making another video about the LDS get your facts right. I invite you to our meetings and classes at the Institute of Religion so you can truly see what's all about before passing wrong information.
Great points Newagegamer! Perhaps nothing shows how non-Biblical and non-Christian Mormonism is than its temples and rituals.
They are nothing like the OT temple, which was *one* temple in Jerusalem, where animals were sacrificed, and what went on in it was not secret, being spelled out in detail in the OT.
The BoM says a temple like Solomon's was built by Nephi (2Ne 5:16), in the land Bountiful (3Ne 11:1). It doesn't say it was destroyed, so where is it today, or at least its ruins?
I admire your respect for the LDS faith Newagegamer. I admire your dillegance to follow the Bible. But remember to that it is the Lord you worship and not the Bible. Without true prophets people's interpretation of the Bible will vary exponentially, thus many translations of the Bible. The body is "a" temple. One of many. Did Christ say that "there will be no more temples now" in the scriptures? Did God not appear in holy temples to Moses? Everybody has thier "opinions" on scripture, sad.
First I want to address what you said about the emphasis we put on temples. The reason LDS put such an emphasis on the temples is because of what they stand for and what the ordinances performed inside stand for. Everything about the temple ordinances have to do with Jesus Christ. Everything. That is quite a lengthy topic but I thought I'd just bring that up. Our strong emphasis on temples is directly connected to the love, gratitude, and worship we have for our Holy Saviour.
Second, when you are trying to prove something to LDS using the Bible, you should at least use the version we do, KJV. Anytime someone not of my faith brings up a Bible verse, I look it up in my Bible (KJV). Sometimes the versions vary and it is best to use what we use if you are trying to prove something to us. So keep in mind that I will be reading from the KJV.
Third, it would behoove you to stop with the whole "Masonic rituals" thing. It is clear just from this very short video that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to this so please just leave that alone. They aren't "Masonic". They are ordinances the Lord has commanded. Just because the Masons do similar things does not mean that we stole it from them or our temple rituals were "inspired" by the Masonic rituals.
Fourth, temple worship was certainly going on after the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ, even by apostles. (Acts 2:46, Acts 3:1-10, Acts 5:20-42, Acts 21:26-30, Acts 22:17, Acts 24:6-18, Acts 25:8, Acts 26:21) This makes it clear that temple worship was and is still important and VALID even after the resurrection of Jesus.
As for Acts 7:48, I think what Paul was saying had something to do with the incorrect perception that the Athenians had about god and perhaps idols. I'm not quite sure what he was getting at and I don't think anyone knows. Paul certainly had a lot to say and we are subjected to misunderstanding.
1 Corinthians 3:16 and 17 are absolutely true! LDS of course believe this! This is why we believe it is of such great importance for us to take care of our bodies, and part of why we follow the Word of Wisdom. Our bodies are indeed temples of God. The temples the church builds that are dedicated to God and accepted by Him are temples as well. You make it sound like we do not believe our bodies are temples, and we most CERTAINLY do.
The KJV is a out of date translation and in many respects it is unaccurate. Butof course you use it since over half of the BoM is a big chunk of the KJ. And myvideo is not to say that Temples are useless or not part of True Worship. My point was that Literal Temples are not as important as the temple that the Holy spirit actually inhabits, True Christians. Mormons put to much attention on the temples and lose sight of whats Truly important.
The KJV is out of date and INaccurate to YOU. But you have your own translation provided by your church. LDS do not use the KJV because "over half of the BoM is a big chunk of the KJ." Please do not say lies about my church and religion.
Mormons put too much attention on temples? Do you even know what temples are and what they mean? *sigh* The whole point of temples is to draw closer to our Heavenly Father and Saviour... if this isn't what is important than that's pretty scary to think
what you might think is. LDS completely agree that our bodies (temples) are more important than the literal temple buildings. There is no conflict there.
You didn't answer my question: When you say "true Christians" are you referring to JW? Are there any "true Christians" that aren't JW?
Well actually I have been undertaking a study of Hebrew & Greek and I can tell you, as many other Greek scholars can, that the KJV Is indeed out ofdate and their are many translation that satisfy the original languages. And the BoM is indeed a big chunck of the KJV, I have no reason to lie. In fact ill make a video on it very soon.
"Are there any "true Christians" that aren't JW?" Of course there is, being a True Christian means being in Christ Jesus and following and loving his commands.
People who are not JW have a very different view of Christ. I don't know if there are any other groups that have the same view of Christ as JW. But it is still possible for them to be true Christians, even with a different belief about Christ from the JW, which would be wrong according to the JW?
Furthermore, in this case it is irrelevant whether or not the KJV is corrupt or not. If that is the version we use, taking a different version and using it to try to prove something to us is completely illogical and stupid.
Whats illogical and stupid is that you cannot conprehend that Gods word is Gods word no matter the translation. But since Your Mormon leaders insist that Gods word is corrupted anywhere it contradicts LDS teaching then I guess its really irelevant. Explain to me how God can "preserve" the BoM but not the Holy Bible?
But the diffrence between the Bible and BoM is that we actually have ancient and accurate manuscripts of the Hebrew and Greek. Can we say the same for the BoM? Of course not. So you cant really validate anything when it comes to your holy book.
Remember, just because we have manuscripts doesn't make the text true.
*I* don't have to validate anything! Just Google it. These are the last days and the truth will NOT be hid. You best get ready for it. Throughout your life the validation is just going to get better and better. =)
Newagegamer3018 said ..."Whats illogical and stupid is that you cannot conprehend that Gods word is Gods word no matter the translation"...
Yet his church changed the meaning of God when they changed every reference of "God" in the old Testament to "Jahovah" since they think that Jehovah is not Jesus, but God the Father.
So how can he think his bible is still "God's word", when the KJW was "so wrong" they had to change every reference to "God"???
Well Godsdivine name Yahweh(Jehovah) appears THOUSANDS of times in Hebrew manuscripts and all the New World Translation has done is render the Tetragramton as Jehovah. Jehovah is God the Father
but your belief in the opposite of what Mormons believe. Mormons and many other "Christian" churches believe that Jehovah is Jesus Christ. But then again, most "Christians" today believe the "Trinity" theory. Most Christians before Constantine believed in multiple "Gods", ie... The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and others.
What? Most Christians before Constantine believed in multiple Gods? Then they were not Christians, were they? We have always believed in One God, the father Almighty. The Holy Trinity is indeed a mystery and many books have been written trying to explain it. But, one of the definitions of a Christian church as opposed to a cult is the belief in the Three in One. Father,Son and Holy Spirit. Not three seperate intities. We also believe in the virgin birth,one baptism,as laid out in the Creed.
The Christian churches of today are very different from what they were just 50 years ago. Go back several hundred years and read the teaching of the Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, etc, and you find some very strange things. All churches change their theories over time. And they tend to reprint their bibles to reflect their new views.
Well, vaultcracker1,People were identified as Christians in Antioch in the Bible book of Acts. It is someone that follows the teachings of Christ. There is one Christian church that is unchanged the church that Christ came to earth to establish. That church was started by Christ 2000 years ago,and not by a man. I am a convert and came into the fold because of reading history and the Bible.Have you ever read a Catholic Bible?The first the original the undiluted word of God. Are you a Morman?
But the question remains Newagegamer3018. How can the JW church change so many things in their version of the bible and still say it has the same meaning as the KJV. I have a copy of your old green bible as well as the newer one. There are hundreds of changes, much more than just a name change for Jehovah. Many verses say the direct opposide of what the KJV says.
You really consider this to be worth your time? You live a sad little life.
whatupyoism 6 months ago
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acquaintance with men in this city. And it shall come to pass in due time that I will give this city into your hands, that you shall have power over it, and its wealth pertaining to gold and silver shall be yours. Concern not yourselves about your debts, for I will give you the power to pay them. No treasure was ever discovered, nor did Salem ever fail to hands of the Mormons. FAILED
Chinaculiacan 9 months ago
# 5 Finding Treasure in Salem, MA
“Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Salem Massachusetts, August 6, 1836. At this time leaders of the LDS Church were heavily in debt due to their labors in the ministry”
I, the Lord your God, I have much treasure in this city for you, for the benefit of Zion, and many people in this city. Therefore, it is expedient that you should form acquaintance with men in this city.
Chinaculiacan 9 months ago
# 5 Finding Treasure in Salem, MA
“Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Salem Massachusetts, August 6, 1836. At this time leaders of the LDS Church were heavily in debt due to their labors in the ministry”
I, the Lord your God, I have much treasure in this city for you, for the benefit of Zion, and many people in this city. Therefore, it is expedient that you should form acquaintance with men in this city.
Chinaculiacan 9 months ago
Petition NOT heard nor protection granted, yet congress was never broken up and continues in function until this day. It’s interesting that the LDS added a notation. If it was meant for democratic parties, congress is made up of representatives from both parties. Democratic and Republicans’ Mormons were making an appeal to the General government, not to the Democratic Party. FAILED.
Chinaculiacan 9 months ago
Prophesy # 4 Congress to be broken up as a government.
While discussing the petition to Congress, I prophesied, by virtue of the holy priesthood vested in me, and in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that, if congress will not hear our petition and grant us protection, they shall be broken up as a government and God shall dam them, and there shall be nothing left of them. Vol. 22 P. 455 History of the Church Vol, 6 P. 116
Chinaculiacan 9 months ago
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Prophesy # 4 Congress to be broken up as a government.
While discussing the petition to Congress, I prophesied, by virtue of the holy priesthood vested in me, and in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that, if congress will not hear our petition and grant us protection, they shall be broken up as a government and God shall dam them, and there shall be nothing left of them. Vol. 22 P. 455 History of the Church Vol, 6 P. 116
Chinaculiacan 9 months ago
Prophesy # 4 Congress to be broken up as a government.
While discussing the petition to Congress, I prophesied, by virtue of the holy priesthood vested in me, and in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that, if congress will not hear our petition and grant us protection, they shall be broken up as a government and God shall dam them, and there shall be nothing left of them. Vol. 22 P. 455 History of the Church Vol, 6 P. 116
Chinaculiacan 9 months ago
History of the Church, Vol. 5, page 394). Date of prophesy May 6 1843, no action taking by the government, and today the Government still stands FAILED
Chinaculiacan 9 months ago
Prophesy # 3 The United States Government to be overthrown in a few years.
I prophecy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left for their wickedness
Chinaculiacan 9 months ago
to testify of my name and bear glad tiding unto the world.” (Doctrine and Covenants 114:1) April 17 1838 David Patten died in October 1838 and he never went on a mission the following spring. FAILED
Chinaculiacan 9 months ago
@Chinaculiacan I'm not gonna get into all of your things.. but this one I happened to read. The funny thing is that you think that he had to be living to go on a mission. When Christ died, he went to heaven and took the righteous with him to spirit prison to teach the people who never heard of Him. There is missionary work in heaven just like on earth. There are billions of people who have never had the opportunity to hear about Jesus. Are they pushed aside? No. They are taught. By missionaries.
QC51 7 months ago
@QC51 OOK?Billions od people ah? Can you give a bible verse? is there a prison in heaven? hum? he took the righteous with him? Dude, everything u've given me has no bible verse at all, so when you have them, reply.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
Prophesy # 2 David W. Patten to go on a mission.
Speaking in the name of our Lord Joseph Smith declared, “Verily, thus saith the Lord: it Is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself
Chinaculiacan 9 months ago
Prophesy # 1. President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. It was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time. For the coming of the Lord, which was nigh, even fifty six years should wind up the scene. (History of the church, Vol. 2, page 182) Prophesy spoken by Joseph in 1835 and recorded by Oliver colliery. FAILED
Chinaculiacan 9 months ago
Patty Bartlett Sessions march 1842 age 47 already married to David Sessions. Marinda Johnson Hyde April 1842 age 27 already married to Orson Hyde. Elizabeth Davis Durfee June 1842 age 50 already married to Jabez Durfee. Sarah Kingsley Cleveland june 1842 age 53 already married John Cleveland.
Chinaculiacan 9 months ago
Patty Bartlett Sessions march 1842 age 47 already married to David Sessions. Marinda Johnson Hyde April 1842 age 27 already married to Orson Hyde. Elizabeth Davis Durfee June 1842 age 50 already married to Jabez Durfee. Sarah Kingsley Cleveland june 1842 age 53 already married John Cleveland. This is for the ones who are thinking of joining the LDS Jose was a womanizer and a false prophet. He married little girls and other mans wives.
Chinaculiacan 9 months ago
Lucinda Morgan Harris 1838 already married to George W Harris. Zina Hunting Jacobs Oct 1841 age 20 already married to Henry Jacobs. Presendia Huntington Buell Dec 1841 age 31 already married to Norman Buell.Sylvia Sessions Lyon Feb 1842 age 23 already married to Windsor Lyon. Mary Rollins Lightner Feb. 1842 age 23 already married to Adam Lightner.
Chinaculiacan 9 months ago
Thank you for your study and open mind.
Ghostbead 11 months ago
Didn't the missionaries ever tell you about the Book of Mormon? Did you ever read the Book of Mormon?
We believe that the Book of Mormon, just like the Bible, is the word of God. and if it is the word of God, then Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God. and if Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God, then everything he said that God told him we should do, we do it, like building temples.
lindalds 11 months ago
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“But even if we or an angel from heaven (moroni) should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, curse be on him!” Galatians 1:6-9 Morman’s are not prepared for the coming apocalypse, Huge Sorrow will be to the morman who refuse to see the truth, You have been warned your fall will be great. Read the BIBLE ONLY!
imationqwest 1 year ago
you quote 1 cor. 3:16-17 then say that "mormons believe that the temples they build... these are where god inhabits you". once again friend u have wrested the scriptures, or at least our interpretation of them. the large majority of symbolism in the temple points to our bodies as the temple of God. all sacred things typify Christ. we believe our bodies are temples like the scriptures say. so we agree, the problem is in ur assumption that we do not.
sandwichappy 1 year ago
"mormons believe the temple is the holiest experience you can have". that is not accurate. refer to my previous post below.
Acts 17:24 "God does not dwell in hand made temples" in no way means that his Holy Spirit can not abide, visit, or be shed abroad there. God dwells on high! i dwell at my house. that doesnt mean i cant leave.
sandwichappy 1 year ago
"the mormons believe that the closest you can ever be to God is in the temple". come on now. u muttered that quickly and ur tone when you said it tells me u know it's a stretch. the closest u can be to God is literally to be in his presence and to be "one" with God as described in Jesus' intercessary prayer in John chapter 17. we also believe that we are to strive to recieve and audience with the Lord himself. whether that happens in a temple or in the mountains or in your home it is the same.
sandwichappy 1 year ago
Name the 1 time during Jesus ministry he "flips out". When his fathers house was defiled by money changers. Also you are quoting scripture regarding Pagan worshippers at the temple of Apolo. not jewish temples. Acts is full of the desciples work at the
temple.
Gods people have always built a house of holiness to the lord.
Sephuskal 1 year ago
I know for a fact that Mormons also teach that their body is a temple and they should take good care of it. I was an active member for several years where they spoke of this in general conference and church lessons. The way I see it and probably a lot of other members of the LDS, is that the Temple is just an addition to the church for a quite, peaceful dwelling they can go to outside the church and rest of the world to converse with their father in heaven. Although they do have weird rituals.
3Deditor 1 year ago
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Did Donny Osmond wear his sacred undies while playing in "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat" ?
ccolimon 1 year ago
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Phatcass 1 year ago
It just seems like Christians worship an "idol", a book, rather than worshiping what and who the book teaches about.
camdawg7 1 year ago
@camdawg7 Amen brother,,,I have come to the exact same realization. People can try so hard to be a "christian" that they end up worshiping the bible and not God himself. It always comes down to interpretation, interpretation, INTERPRETATION! And that is all you have,,,,Unfortunately that is not enough. How do you know how you read the Bible is correct? Is that all you are going to go on is interpretation? You have no confirmation or authority and are blind leading the blind.
alawaiman 1 year ago
a temple i for mormans who are worthy is for ppl to get away from the world and the noise just to feel the spirit and that is why u can get close with god because there is no noise in temples there is a room that no one is aloud to talk so ppl can feel the sprit i havent been in this room because i am only 13 to do baptisims for the dead how our is our cerimonies mezodic?
robbiesilverwolf 2 years ago
u never heard us say that ur body is a temple?
robbiesilverwolf 2 years ago
Amen to you bro for this vid!!!
from the EAST SIDEOF LONG BEACH!! may Christ JESUS BLESS EVERYONE!
longbeachlt 2 years ago
Why did Paul continue to attend the temple, even after his conversion to Christ?
The temple is about sacrifice. In the temples of old, animals were sacrificed for the sins of the people. Today, the sacrifices are different, but we are still asked to sacrifice.
Also, to say that one person's beliefs are heretical just because they don't agree with yours is very conceited and even heretical itself. There is no reason why I should accept your interpretation of the Bible over my own.
lindalds 2 years ago
We don't need that? Why? How can you say that we don't need it? Has God told us to stop worshiping in temples? I wish my church had temples. They are places where everyone is dressed similar and is equal, where people can contemplate and not have distraction. It is a place where God can dwell within each and every person there. The Mormon's also teach that the body is a temple.
dbmules 2 years ago
His point is that the body is the temple in which God dwells. Does God dwell in your body? Is Jesus in your heart? He does not need the Mormon temples to dwell. Mormons always say that there temples are like the Jewish temples. It is interesting because their was only one Jewish Temple not many like the Mormon temples. The Temple was on Mount Mariah. We do not need the temple because we no longer need to do sacrifices because Jesus is our sacrifce. He said it is finish when he was ont he cross
waterplo12 1 year ago
Also the Jewish temple had an outter court, and inner court, and a holy of holies. The holy of holies is where God dwelled. God does not dwell in the temple any more but dwells in believes. The body of believes make up the temple. When Jesus was on the cross the thick viel that shut off the holy of holies riped and the temple was destroyed later on because it is no longer need. High priest no longer have to go into the holy of holies on behalf of us because Jesus goes to God on behalf of us.
waterplo12 1 year ago
TO quote Acts about not needing temples made with hands - is not proper CONTEXT of that scripture - if you read it - you will notice it is speaking of FALSE temples he was refering to where they had idols. Consider this - all the Christians CONTINUED to attend the temple even AFTER christ left until it was destroyed. Christ himself thought the temple was important enough that the ONLY time he got upset was when they had defiled his fathers house - hmm doesn't sound like it isn't important.
imtherealthing 2 years ago
@imtherealthing. The temple was very important until Jesus became the final sacrifc for our sins. Jesus said it is finished. The thick viel that close of the holy of holies in the temple was riped when Jesus was on the cross by God. God no longer dwells in it but in the body of his believers. The body of Christ makes up the Temple. The interesting thing to me is that the Jews only had one temple with an inner court, outer court, and holy of holies while mormons have many temples.
waterplo12 1 year ago
We do teach that our bodies are temples. I have been taught that since a VERY early age. like since i was four. that is one of the main things we teach! Please make sure what you are saying is true before you put it on the internet.
TheWestcoastlover 2 years ago
So God dwells in you and Jesus is in your heart?
waterplo12 1 year ago
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Remember Christians, the will of God is no Catholic, Protestant,Orthodox, Penticostal, Adventist, JW, Mormon Etc. NO DIVISION, Only Christians, holy, helping and sharing instead of buying and selling.
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 17:9-21)
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conceil8 2 years ago
that means they believe thats the only place it dwells and not in there bodies as well?... This guy obviously hasnt studied that religion enough... or he wouldnt have said or put it the way he has. Cuz they definitley know that your body is a temple for the Holy Ghost. Annd Id bet my life they do more to make sure there bodies are pure for that spirit than he does. There beliefe is not what he tries to make it out to be
jrinker182 2 years ago
So where does this guy get the idea that mormons dont believe our bodies to be temples as well? Lol like mormons dont believe that?!? They are probably the church ive studied the MOST to teach that principle!!! They dont drink or smoke or take in harmfull substances BECAUSE they believe their bodies are temples! They stay pure moraly for the same reason! aND THEY TEACH THAT BETTER THAN ANY CHURCH IVE STUDIED OR BEEN TO!!! What, just because they feel it stronger IN THERE BODIES when in the templ
jrinker182 2 years ago
Newagegamer3018 you have no clue what you are talking about.
motokichan4 2 years ago
This may have been mentioned before, but why did Christ throw the people out of the Temple when he saw them selling things there? If the Temple wasn't important or necessary don't you think that He would have just left them alone? And you should also count the references to temples in the Bible after Christ's crucifixion. If they were not necessary after Christ then why did the apostles still go to the temple? Was it just a social gathering place? No...it was a place to worship God.
eruzeis 2 years ago 2
But remember, the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 CE by the Romans, and hasnt be rebuilt yet. My point is that the temples and the rituals there in, were all foreshadowing Jesus Christ.(Col 2:14-17) Now that Jesus is at the Right hand of God as our Great High Priest, we enter into his Spiritual temple through faith by grace.
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago
That is ONLY your interpretation - sorry - doesn't wash in the CONTEXT of the FACT that the LORD commanded temples to be built - PERIOD!..how - by hands of men...all throughout the bible we see this..even in NT times. YOu take the scripture in Acts 17 to mean HIS temples when it is IN CONTEXT speaking of the pagan temples. We also know that a temple will be built in the last days - read Revelations. We LDS also have modern prophets. Too bad you jumped into false christiandom & not the LDS faith
imtherealthing 2 years ago
There was only one Jewish temple on Mount Mariah.
waterplo12 1 year ago
@Newagegamer3018 i appreciate your point of view and see a lot of similarities in our beliefs. on my mission i always enjoyed running into Jehovahs Witnesses on the streets or being welcomed into their homes to study. in my experience you are a very sincere and studious people indeed. my only suggestion would be not to try and minimize mormon beliefs in an effort to make them arguable via scripture. instead, try to understand them at their profoundest level.
sandwichappy 1 year ago
@eruzeis. The temple was very important before Jesus died and shed is blood on the cross. WE do not need the temple any more because he was the final sacrific for our sins. Jesus on the cross said it is finished and God riped the thick viel that blocked of the holy of holies where God dwelled. He does not dwell there but now dwells in our bodies along with Jesus in our hearts. The body of Christ is God's temple now. The temple is no longer needed to sacrific animals for our sins.
waterplo12 1 year ago
You picked some good scriptures. There's only one problem I found with your logic. Your strongest scripture was this one Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
The problem is that the Jews had been told by God to build a temple with their hands. God is the same yesterday today and forever. The scripture above would make God a liar if He meant it the way you have interpreted it.
Advice4vice 2 years ago
The real problem with temples is that they are located all over the Earth and are masonic.
Advice4vice 2 years ago
No it does not mean that God changed. It just means it is no longer needed because we no longer need to do sacrifices in it. God's character is still the same. The problem is this. He is a just God and the payment for our sins have been satisfied through Jesus shed blood on the cross. Sacrifices of animals in the holy of holies is no longer needed because our sins have already been paid for. God did not change. If you say that God changes by the place he dwells then the old testiment is wrong to
waterplo12 1 year ago
God origonally dwelled in Adam and Even until the were disobedient. The next place he dwelled was in the tabernacle and then the temple.
waterplo12 1 year ago
I remind you that if you chose that and say if we are no longer commanded to build temples with our hands as God has changed then I point to your church. God commanded that blacks could not hold the priesthood and then latter changed to allowing them to blacks being able to hold the priesthood. If you think that God does not change their then it is the same situation with temples. Circumstances changed, not God.
waterplo12 1 year ago
I really liked your video and the scripture reference you provided. Very well spoken, you seem to be a very sincere young man.
janjikins 2 years ago
If temples are nonsense, then why have they been built? Why did Christ preach in them? Why did jehova command them to be built? Why did he appear in them? This type of person finds one scripture or 2 that say otherwise, and believes it completely. I say let them build temples, and let them worship how they please. It doesn't harm anyone. They aren't making a profit off of temple building. Certain scriptures found in the new testament were written for a select group of people. Not everyone.
cebrowski 2 years ago
But we need even more decadent Cathedrals? Notre Dam, what nonsense! St Peter's, rubbish! Christianity and Mormonism do the exact same thing, and most mormons I know do believe their body is a temple and the spirit dwells there, not only in a building with masonic symbols.
Rusikre 2 years ago
@Rusikre. The Cathedrals are not temples.
waterplo12 1 year ago
Did he just say we don' t need temples? I would ask anyone who feels the same way to step foot in one first before they make a judgement as to weather or not we need them. If you have not ever set foot into the house of God. Then how do you know weather or not they are needed?
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
@marcoplo. You learn it from the Bible and what it says.
waterplo12 1 year ago
activity of selling things in the temple? if temples are so useless why would he have done that with such "wrath"?
metalfanatic26 2 years ago
@Metalfanatic. The answer is because Jesus had not died on the cross yet.
waterplo12 1 year ago
The temples are used to perform sacred ordinances of the complete of the gospel to benefit those on earth AND those that are dead. We (mormons), after we get baptized into the church we get confirmed by a member of the higher or Melchezidek Priesthood, and receive the gift of the holy ghost, so we do beleive that the holy spirit does dwell in us, but if temples are so useless why did Jesus go to the temple, overturn the vendor's tables and say that this is my Fathers house, and banish all activi
metalfanatic26 2 years ago
@metalfanatic. We no longer need to do the ordinances of the old testiment because they were nailed to the cross with Jesus, Colossians 2:14-17. Also Jesus fulfulled the law. Jesus was the final High Priest, there is no need for it to be passed on. The temple was extremely important until he died on the cross and did away with the ordinances. He sacrific for our sins is complete. Sacrifices are no longer needed. Like Jesus said, it is finished and God riped the thick viel to the holy of holies.
waterplo12 1 year ago
I definitely think all should see bryank81's comments, the ordinances done now are to make sure that ALL who want to can join in the true church and return to Heavenly Father after the resurrection, the point is for all to be able to join Him and to continue to serve Him throughout eternity. Also, who is to say that we don't need them, they bring amazing joy and the Prophets today are given truths to tell the people of today so that they may better prepare themselves and have a happier life
metalfanatic26 1 year ago
@metal. Who is to say that we don't need them? The Bible is clear that we do not need them. The were nailed to the cross. Jesus abolished them, "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace" Ephesians 2:15. The Bible is clear that Jesus fulfulled the law and ordiences. We no longer live under the law but under grace Romans 6:14; 10:4; 7:4,6, Luke 16:16, 2 Corint. 3:14. Galat. 3:24-25.
waterplo12 1 year ago
our lives today as much, if not more than they were in the Old Testament, and when Christ was on the earth.
There is a Prophet leading Gods people today as was in old times. There are 12 Apostles on the earth also. God is the same, yesterday, today, and forever. Which means He doesnt change; His structure, His foundations, or His teachings. His method of leading His children who choose to follow Him IS the same as it was in old times. Prophets, Apostles, Quorums of 70.
bryank81 2 years ago
ordinances that are required by God to return to Him. Modern day revelation is the answer. What is the Bible if not the writings of prophets and the REVELATIONS they received from their Savior. Most likely you have been taught and believe that the heavens are closed, there is no more revelation. That is incorrect. Nowhere in any scripture passage does it state such. The heavens are open and revelation, prophecies, healings, all of the same blessings of the Spirit are present in
bryank81 2 years ago
@bryank81. The ordinances wee nailed to the cross and done away with, Colossians 2:14-17. Also Jesus was the final prophet. That does no mean that people cannot have th gift of prophecy. Jesus is our high priest and is in the heart of believes. We can communicate with God directly through prayer and reading the Bible. We do not need the office of the Prophet. We do not believe the heavens are closed.
waterplo12 1 year ago
Both situations, men that did not have the power of the priesthood, (the power to act in Gods name), to perform such translation.
Because the bible is flawed, flawed meaning that (important parts have been taken, and unimportant things added), and if you dont believe that try reading it. We must depend on something more than just the Bible to lead us and guide us perfectly back to our Father in Heaven. It lacks many of the principles and doctrines and
bryank81 2 years ago
@bryan. I have read the Bible and it is sufficient for salvation. It is pretty clear when you read it and God has given you the eyes to see and the ears to hear. It is all there. There is evidence for what is written in the Bible also like the dead sea scrolls showing that what was written back then is what is written now. The Bible is sufficient. You are right though it does lack a lot of the Mormon principles and doctrines that show a different path to salvation.
waterplo12 1 year ago
@waterplo12 What do you mean the bible is sufficient? Do you have to have the bible to be saved? Absolutely not! That's worse than saying you are saved by your works! One only needs to believe in Christ and what he did for us and to fully accept his Atonement to be saved. You can learn all of this through another person, the bible, internet, praying etc... You don't need physical things to be saved.
camdawg7 1 year ago
@camdawg7 The bible isn't a book, it's a collection of books that some men decided to put together as much as they could find. Did they include all of the Prophets that lived at the time? Obviously not from what we have of the dead sea scrolls. They only decided on some of the prophets writings to include in this accumulation. Why not have all of the prophets words? Would that be bad? The mormons just include more prophets writings at the time but from the american continent.
camdawg7 1 year ago
@camdawg. What I mean by sufficient is that the Bible is sufficient to lead someone to salvation by believing in Christ and have an understanding of who God is. It is the word of God and it helps to increase someone's faith.
waterplo12 1 year ago
And what I'm saying is that the Bible is extreemely repetitive! You only need about 2 pages worth to sum it all up, it is so stinkin redundant. All the mormons do with their book is MORE REPETITION. You DON'T need 99/100ths of the bible. So why do we have it? For repetition. Why do they have the book of mormon.. for repetition. Of course all you need is the bible. Really all you need to know is what Christ did for us and that doesn't take too long to learn. (maybe an hour)
camdawg7 1 year ago
It's not the "Bible" that is so sacred and holy that you gotta praise it.. it's just a physical entity that helps us understand the word of god. What you should be praising and bowing to is God's word, not the "book". God's word can come from anywhere, not just the bible. So I'm sure there is some of God's words in the Book of mormon, there are some of god's words coming from your preacher, some of god's words coming from prayers. The "book" isn't going to save you, the words will.
camdawg7 1 year ago
@camdawg. What I am saying is the Bible is the word of God. The Book of Mormon does have a lot of the same stuff as the Bible but it has some extra stuff also. One example being you are saved by grace after all that you can do. The part that is extra is "after all that you can do." Nothing that you do saves you. That point is you have to use the word of God which we already have, the Bible and compare it to other books and what prophets say to see if it matches up.
waterplo12 1 year ago
So you don't need to follow the commandments to be saved? You don't have to love god or your neighbor? You can be evil and kill people and rape babies but accept Christ as your savior and still you're saved? If that's what the bible preaches then I know that I would not want to follow the idiot who made those rules. No, I'm pretty sure the bible preaches repentance doesn't it? (That's a serious question I don't know all that you Christians teach)
camdawg7 1 year ago
@camdawg. Those are good questions "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10 No human is righteous on their own accord. Are there sins that are worse than others? The answer is no. If one commits one sin then they are guilty of the whole law and that even includes murder. "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:20.
waterplo12 1 year ago
@camdawg. It is a tall task to be as righteous as the Pharisees since the Pharisees we considered by men to be the most righteous of the time. Our righteousness is imputed to us because of Jesus sacrifice and taking on the sins of the world on the cross. When we confess that he is are Lord and savior and have faith that his blood covers us we are saved. Are salvation is sealed by the stamp of the Holy Spirit.
waterplo12 1 year ago
@camdawg. We do not obey God because it will save us or make us righteous but because it is a result of being saved and being clothed in Jesus's righteousness. It is God who is the author and finisher of our salvation. We are made into a new creation. Now will a Christian still stumble at times, absolutely, but it is God who continues to work on us and purify us. We repent and renew our minds because we are a new creation. By reading God's word, the Bible, it helps us to renew our minds.
waterplo12 1 year ago
@camdawg. Back to your question if someone can be evil and be saved? Well the Bible states that no one is good so the answer is if the person's Lord and savior is Jesus Christ then yes. Can people kill people and rape babies be saved if Jesus is their Lord and savior? The Bible says that if we commit one sin then we are guilty of the whole law so one sin is not worse than any other.
waterplo12 1 year ago
@camdawg. The point is we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God and need Jesus as our Lord ans savior so we can be saved and have his righteousness imputed to us. These people who murder are rap babies need Jesus just as much as anyone else. The need Jesus as their Lord and Savior and allow God to work on them and to purify them. Look at the thief on the cross he did not have anytime to do righteous works but he had faith in Jesus and believed upon him and he was saved.
waterplo12 1 year ago
"For it is: Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule; a little here, a little there."
Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues God will speak to this people, to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest"; and, "This is the place of repose"— but they would not listen.
Isaiah 28:10-12
waterplo12 1 year ago
" So then, the word of the LORD to them will become: Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule; a little here, a little there— so that they will go and fall backward, be injured and snared and captured."
Isaiah 28:13
waterplo12 1 year ago
You really need to study the scriptures a bit more if you are to understand temples and their purpose in the grand scheme of things. Most of all, you have to ask Him (God) in prayer. Sorry to break this to you but the bible isnt perfect. It has been translated around 25 times in between the prophets original writings of them and the King James Version. After the KJV, it has been translated upwards of 500 times.
bryank81 2 years ago
@bryank. Really that is not shown by the dead sea scrolls and other evidences which show that what was written way back then is the same. Also even with all the different translations we can always go back to the origonal Greek for the New Testiment.
waterplo12 1 year ago
I'm plainly writing this in answer to poster of this video's statements.
In "my opinion", Mormon's DO teach that your bodies are a temple (in and of themselves) in regards to not defacing, or disrespecting them. They are seen as a gift from God.
Again, in MY opinion, going to the temple is a way for you to get closer to God, NOT physically closer, but in a spiritual sense. And with an atmosphere of respect, love, & humility as is shown in a temple you can feel closer to God.
pimptastic13 2 years ago
okay sub calling someones comments/opinions extremely stupid is gonna offend that person u moron,yes we have temples to congregate and worship the lord together the way he wants us to, but as the guy in the vid said the bible says we are the temples and those are just man made structures,christians can get together in a garage and worship and that would be okay with our beliefs, seeing as how u guys fancy urselves as another form of christianity why dont u respond to the scripture he referenced?
accordwhippa 2 years ago
HAHAHA. I do not want to come off as offensive in any way. However, that was EXTREMELY stupid. You said, "We don't need temples anymore because, we, uh... just don't need them anymore." "They had them in Jerusalem to get closer to God."
Is the Lord NOT the same yesterday, today and forever????? If he IS the same, (AND THE BIBLE SAYS HE IS THE SAME) Then we need temples now just like they have throughout the last thousands of years.
Thanks for trying.
subalphalf 2 years ago
...the same yesterday, today and forever....That phrase is so often misused. God's righteousness, love, mercy, his plan, power, grace, etc is unchanging, yes. BUT HE often changes how HE operates. For example, we no longer have animal sacrifices. We no longer rely on carnal priests. God even swore that Jesus was a Priest, thus changing the law of priesthood (see Hebrew 7:18-22.) This passage also shows that God enters into new covenants and changes the nature of operation with man. There's more.
onejace 2 years ago
You just said, "His PLAN". And who are you to say that God isn't going to use temples anymore. Where did God say that? NOWHERE!!!!!
All you people on YouTube are preaching doctrine you know nothing about...
Anyone familiar with the bible, know that as PRIESTCRAFT....
Pretty dangerous stuff when it comes to standing in front of your Savior one day.
Good Try!!!
bryank81 2 years ago
Whos to say what God will do? He is! He lets us know what His plan is in His Word. He always let the people know His plan before it happened. Its called Prophecy.
Now regarding temples:
2Cor.6:16 "..know ye not YE are the temple.."
Act 17:24 "..., seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, DWELLETH NOT in temples made with hands;..."
Eph 2:14 "For he...hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; " (represented by the temple veil that was torn upon Jesus' death)
onejace 2 years ago
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onejace 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Jesus is the fulfillment of EVERYTHING needed for a)reconciliation with the Father, b) salvation and c) everlasting life.
HE is:
a. the sacrifice itself,
b. the administrator (or High Priest) of said sacrifice
c. EVERYTHING the Temple represented.
And with the veil torn, man cleansed and blessed with the Holy Spirit, HE put ALL believers into the priestly class(Rev.1:6) because WE BEING the temple, God dwells in us through the Holy Spirit (Romans 8, esp.8:9-11 and 2Cor.6:16)
onejace 2 years ago
Doctrine is easily found in the Word and we are continually encouraged to know it and keep it (Rom 6:19; 1Tim. 4:16). We are also encouraged to use scripture for correction, reproof and that it is good for doctrine. (2Tim.3:16).
Nice try.
onejace 2 years ago
It is the circumstances that change not God.
waterplo12 1 year ago
I will explain this, eternal marriage and baptism link the entire human family together. This is part of what the melinium is going to be for. That way all men to ever live have the opportunity to choose Christ. Another scripture, says that all men come to God through Christ. This is the process by which it happens.
likeuntomoroni 2 years ago
There is not one shred of historical evidence for The Book of Mormon. The Bible, however, is rich with archeological proofs. Hence, Mormonism is a joke; Christianity at least is backed up by historical data. (AND DO NOT SAY that Mormonism is a "christian" faith. IT IS NOT!)
hoggdawn 2 years ago
haha, what "archeological proof" is there of any religion? have u guys found the bones of jesus? oh wait, he came back to life, how convenient....
TuPaCaLyPsE1872 2 years ago
Virtually every city mentioned in the Bible has been found. The historical data in terms of leadership progression for Israel and the surrounding countries has been proved valid via other historical sources. These same kind of proofs cannot be found for the Book of Mormon.
hoggdawn 2 years ago
most of the cities mentioned in the bible are citites that already existed, if the bible talked to Moscow or Canada i still wouldnt believe it, the proof im talking about it of jesus, no historical proof, of the ark of the covenant, no historical proof, the 12 apostles, creation, talking animals and burning bushes, i have more proof saying the keyboard im typing on is god than some invisible guy in the sky, like santa clause, religion is an invention, get it thru ur thick skull
TuPaCaLyPsE1872 2 years ago
"most of the cities mentioned in the bible are cities that already existed"---well, yes indeed. But that little factoid is what separates the Bible from, say the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon has no historical basis whatsoever.
hoggdawn 2 years ago
There is no "good way" to approach god, he has killed millions, he invented slavery, cancer, suffering, hell, the devil, demons, and evil (to name a few). His justice is obscene, or do you really think it's fair for a woman to be forced under the law to marry her rapists. Your "loving god" even regrets creating mankind as indicated in Genesis and he sends angels to lie to his prophets as seen in 2nd Chronicles 18. No truly "good" god requires or condones your woship.
anonalie 2 years ago
god may have invented cancer, suffering and so on, but Mankind invented god, so that does that mean Man created cancer? lol
TuPaCaLyPsE1872 2 years ago
Is that the best this guy can do? He raises some interesting issues, but is too quick to think he's gotten to the end of the argument. For example, his argument that God dwells in us, making temples unnecessary, ignores the fact that Mormons also believe God dwells in us. Mormons don't go to temples to experience God. They go to temples to engage in activities that celebrate the kind of life they've chosen. If, in worshipping as they do, they feel happier, it's hardly an indictment.
bilavideo 2 years ago 2
I'm sorry I'm trying to listen to you but as a mom I just want to say "Clean your room" :)
debbiequack 2 years ago
Thats not my room mom lol
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago
I hjust want to say that I live in Sweden, and mormons over here don't have any 200 year old decorated churches for sunday meetings and weddings. We only use very stripped out modern brick houses for chapels with electric church organs.
We really need the temple for weddings etc. to feel the spirit more deeply and to feel closer to god like christians would do in some of their stunningly bautiful old churches!
joddsen 2 years ago
lol, i love the swedish, you know why? cuz they burn down mormon chruches, "god" bless the swedish
TuPaCaLyPsE1872 2 years ago
YOu mean the 'Mormon Cult' Shows your ignorance in religion.
medavog 2 years ago
God does and did dwell in temples. It is all over in the Bible. The "handmaid" temples that are referred to in the your verses are clearly described as the idols and altars of "an unknown God" in the previous verses of scripture. You need to read the whole thing and not take the verses out of context. The same is true for acts 7:48. you have to read before hand and see what it is referring.
plhey0122 2 years ago
Nowhere in the Bible do we find anything that resembles the Mormon Temples
endofus 2 years ago
May I ask you a question. If Christ does not approve of temples why did he clean out the temple when He was on the earth if eventually He did not care for there use.
mormonx2 2 years ago
Now I am not saying that the Temples of the Bible are not important. Its very clear that Jesus Christ will eventually have the Temple rebuilt in Jerusalem. What I am saying is that is this age, Christ fulfills all the needs of the Temple and the laws of the Old Testament.(Col 2:16,17) I believe the Temple and the Sabbath and all the practices of the path were just a foreshadowing of what was to come, the reality however is found in Christ!
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago
Is ther any where in the New Testament you see temples mentioned that are built with hands of men that are sanctioned by GOD? No!!! Acts 7:46-50, sums it up, when it come to how GOD feels on temples built by man. I didn't say it GOD did. Read it for yourselves.
zane1963 2 years ago
I agree with you that our bodies are temples and that as we live the Gospel of Jesus Christ the Holy Ghost/Spirit will dwell inside of us.
mormonx2 2 years ago
Think how much money would pour into our economy if the government would start taxing religion. Property Tax, income tax, sales tax on supplies, personal property tax on cars & vans. God of all people should pay his taxes.
melvyd2 3 years ago
Dude my computer is turned up all the way and I cant hear you. fuhgetaboutit
chemistclyde 3 years ago
update your audio drivers
majesticdragoon 3 years ago
Dude don't get confused on your doctrine. God has always always had temples where his saints can go to worship. If you can point out one time period where the true church of god is on the earth and he hasn't appointed his prophet to build a temple? I think you need to be a little more sure of your doctrine before you go making these ridiculous videos.
13lackfir3 3 years ago
yea totally agree with you. I just had some mormon girls come to my house today and they were talking about the temples. That you have to be righteous and pure to enter. I was like i thought the temple was within us through christ. The bible is the only protection against deception. Good message dude......
disbniggamanuel85 3 years ago
If you read the Book of Revelation, there are several prophecies about Christ returning to his temple. And about the temple playing a vital role in the second coming. If templs are no more, then John was a false prophet.
bytebear 3 years ago
Good message Man, keep on fighting the good fight.
MarsTHEangel 3 years ago
Dude don't get confused on your doctrine. God has always always had temples where his saints can go to worship. If you can point out one time period where the true church of god is on the earth and he hasn't appointed his prophet to build a temple? I think you need to be a little more sure of your doctrine before you go making these ridiculous videos.
Argentos33 3 years ago
So why did all the ancient prophets also worship in temples. Were the prophets in the bible false prophets. Your preaching from the bible bro.
guitardaze 3 years ago
Dude, might want to save some face and check your sources. Half of the stuff your saying on these videos makes zero sense. Bashing someone's religion after 5 months of studying is pretty lame anyway. Why don't you try a more constructive approach--more Christian approach--and tell us what you believe in personally instead of abysmally misinterpreting another religion.
twizzydeeks 3 years ago
Three things. You need a new mike, the sound quality is horrible. If the Book of Moromon is a lie then the LDS Church is a lie. It comes down to that. Finally never has the LDS Church taught that God is literally in the Temple. Someone has lied to you, or you have misunderstood what you have studied. You probably mean well so I appreciate the effort. I hope you can get past your issues and embrace The true Church that has been restored.
Losertarian 3 years ago
Joseph Smith made a lot of false prophecies.
AlphaCentauri00 3 years ago
Correction at 2:36, The Israelites believed that God physically manifested, existed, within the Holy of Holies of the Temple. God commanded that the Temple be built as well as the tabernacle of old. Don't take my word for it, look it up yourself. I understand you feel an urge to correct what you feel is in error. But lets make sure your right first. There are too many folks who give the Holy Bible the once over and begin to preach and judge others automatically.
myway43 3 years ago
May I suggest that you also read some of the Fair articles as well as viewing Fair posts on Youtube, Also Check out some of the Backyardprofessor videos...but be warned..you might learn something that may be thought provoking, and be prepared to learn. I am not flaming you, but I just feel you have to educate yourself. You are not entirely wrong, but you are not entirely right.
myway43 3 years ago
I had watched MrNirom's excellent response to your video. It lays it all out. Have you watched his video response. Thanks MrNirom.
myway43 3 years ago
Mormons also believe that you don't need the Temple to be close to the spirit. Some of Joseph Smiths as well as my own spitituall experiences happened in dark places. Also we believe the exact same thing that are bodies are sacred and Temples and that the spirit can dwell in us. So you a little off, but I do respect your opinion and kind words. I wish you were a little more open minded on this, Jesus himself visited Temple and called it his Fathers house. This just takes understanding.
Rockwellthe2ND 3 years ago
a great book i suggest is Kingdom of the Cults by walter martin
GracetoCults 3 years ago
Your reference seems to suggest that the jews were wrong to build temples as well. You are also mistaken about the Mormons not believing that their bodies are temples, for Jesus did teach that our bodies are a temple, but did not the ancient people build temples to perform gods holy works? Yes Mormons build temples to perform their most sacred ordinences and covenants, but they also consider their bodies temples of the lord.
Dyoni1 3 years ago
You have never been to a "Mormon" temple, have you? Of course not. If you had, this video would most certainly not have been posted. If everyone on Earth had been to one besides you, you would be deemed by everyone the most ignorant person on the planet
splatzs 3 years ago
You think that five months with the missionaries made you an expert on LDS religion? That's very funny cause I'm a convert of 22 years and I'm still learning. Please!!! before making another video about the LDS get your facts right. I invite you to our meetings and classes at the Institute of Religion so you can truly see what's all about before passing wrong information.
abishlyn 3 years ago
Great points Newagegamer! Perhaps nothing shows how non-Biblical and non-Christian Mormonism is than its temples and rituals.
They are nothing like the OT temple, which was *one* temple in Jerusalem, where animals were sacrificed, and what went on in it was not secret, being spelled out in detail in the OT.
The BoM says a temple like Solomon's was built by Nephi (2Ne 5:16), in the land Bountiful (3Ne 11:1). It doesn't say it was destroyed, so where is it today, or at least its ruins?
Senojes 3 years ago
I admire your respect for the LDS faith Newagegamer. I admire your dillegance to follow the Bible. But remember to that it is the Lord you worship and not the Bible. Without true prophets people's interpretation of the Bible will vary exponentially, thus many translations of the Bible. The body is "a" temple. One of many. Did Christ say that "there will be no more temples now" in the scriptures? Did God not appear in holy temples to Moses? Everybody has thier "opinions" on scripture, sad.
alawaiman 3 years ago
First I want to address what you said about the emphasis we put on temples. The reason LDS put such an emphasis on the temples is because of what they stand for and what the ordinances performed inside stand for. Everything about the temple ordinances have to do with Jesus Christ. Everything. That is quite a lengthy topic but I thought I'd just bring that up. Our strong emphasis on temples is directly connected to the love, gratitude, and worship we have for our Holy Saviour.
EverASurprise 3 years ago
Second, when you are trying to prove something to LDS using the Bible, you should at least use the version we do, KJV. Anytime someone not of my faith brings up a Bible verse, I look it up in my Bible (KJV). Sometimes the versions vary and it is best to use what we use if you are trying to prove something to us. So keep in mind that I will be reading from the KJV.
EverASurprise 3 years ago
Third, it would behoove you to stop with the whole "Masonic rituals" thing. It is clear just from this very short video that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to this so please just leave that alone. They aren't "Masonic". They are ordinances the Lord has commanded. Just because the Masons do similar things does not mean that we stole it from them or our temple rituals were "inspired" by the Masonic rituals.
EverASurprise 3 years ago
Fourth, temple worship was certainly going on after the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ, even by apostles. (Acts 2:46, Acts 3:1-10, Acts 5:20-42, Acts 21:26-30, Acts 22:17, Acts 24:6-18, Acts 25:8, Acts 26:21) This makes it clear that temple worship was and is still important and VALID even after the resurrection of Jesus.
EverASurprise 3 years ago
As for Acts 7:48, I think what Paul was saying had something to do with the incorrect perception that the Athenians had about god and perhaps idols. I'm not quite sure what he was getting at and I don't think anyone knows. Paul certainly had a lot to say and we are subjected to misunderstanding.
EverASurprise 3 years ago
1 Corinthians 3:16 and 17 are absolutely true! LDS of course believe this! This is why we believe it is of such great importance for us to take care of our bodies, and part of why we follow the Word of Wisdom. Our bodies are indeed temples of God. The temples the church builds that are dedicated to God and accepted by Him are temples as well. You make it sound like we do not believe our bodies are temples, and we most CERTAINLY do.
EverASurprise 3 years ago
This video was NOT a benefit to me or ANYONE. It would be best to take it down. It's not nice to spread lies.
I have a question for you. When you say "true Christians" are you referring to JW? Are there any "true Christians" that aren't JW?
P.S. In your video description it should read "...with their unbiblical...". You got "their" and "there" mixed up.
EverASurprise 3 years ago
The KJV is a out of date translation and in many respects it is unaccurate. Butof course you use it since over half of the BoM is a big chunk of the KJ. And myvideo is not to say that Temples are useless or not part of True Worship. My point was that Literal Temples are not as important as the temple that the Holy spirit actually inhabits, True Christians. Mormons put to much attention on the temples and lose sight of whats Truly important.
Newagegamer3018 3 years ago
The KJV is out of date and INaccurate to YOU. But you have your own translation provided by your church. LDS do not use the KJV because "over half of the BoM is a big chunk of the KJ." Please do not say lies about my church and religion.
Mormons put too much attention on temples? Do you even know what temples are and what they mean? *sigh* The whole point of temples is to draw closer to our Heavenly Father and Saviour... if this isn't what is important than that's pretty scary to think
EverASurprise 3 years ago
what you might think is. LDS completely agree that our bodies (temples) are more important than the literal temple buildings. There is no conflict there.
You didn't answer my question: When you say "true Christians" are you referring to JW? Are there any "true Christians" that aren't JW?
EverASurprise 3 years ago
Well actually I have been undertaking a study of Hebrew & Greek and I can tell you, as many other Greek scholars can, that the KJV Is indeed out ofdate and their are many translation that satisfy the original languages. And the BoM is indeed a big chunck of the KJV, I have no reason to lie. In fact ill make a video on it very soon.
Newagegamer3018 3 years ago
The point that the KJV is corrupted doesn't matter! You aren't getting it! Using a version we don't accept to prove us wrong is illogical.
You still won't answer my question:
When you say "true Christians" are you referring to JW? Are there any "true Christians" that aren't JW?
EverASurprise 3 years ago
"Are there any "true Christians" that aren't JW?" Of course there is, being a True Christian means being in Christ Jesus and following and loving his commands.
Newagegamer3018 3 years ago
People who are not JW have a very different view of Christ. I don't know if there are any other groups that have the same view of Christ as JW. But it is still possible for them to be true Christians, even with a different belief about Christ from the JW, which would be wrong according to the JW?
EverASurprise 3 years ago
Furthermore, in this case it is irrelevant whether or not the KJV is corrupt or not. If that is the version we use, taking a different version and using it to try to prove something to us is completely illogical and stupid.
EverASurprise 3 years ago
Whats illogical and stupid is that you cannot conprehend that Gods word is Gods word no matter the translation. But since Your Mormon leaders insist that Gods word is corrupted anywhere it contradicts LDS teaching then I guess its really irelevant. Explain to me how God can "preserve" the BoM but not the Holy Bible?
Newagegamer3018 3 years ago
You can certainly think that. The Book of Mormon is very different. It would written and hid up. The Bible went through many, many hands.
EverASurprise 3 years ago
But the diffrence between the Bible and BoM is that we actually have ancient and accurate manuscripts of the Hebrew and Greek. Can we say the same for the BoM? Of course not. So you cant really validate anything when it comes to your holy book.
Newagegamer3018 3 years ago
Remember, just because we have manuscripts doesn't make the text true.
*I* don't have to validate anything! Just Google it. These are the last days and the truth will NOT be hid. You best get ready for it. Throughout your life the validation is just going to get better and better. =)
EverASurprise 3 years ago
Newagegamer3018 said ..."Whats illogical and stupid is that you cannot conprehend that Gods word is Gods word no matter the translation"...
Yet his church changed the meaning of God when they changed every reference of "God" in the old Testament to "Jahovah" since they think that Jehovah is not Jesus, but God the Father.
So how can he think his bible is still "God's word", when the KJW was "so wrong" they had to change every reference to "God"???
vaultcracker1 3 years ago 2
Well Godsdivine name Yahweh(Jehovah) appears THOUSANDS of times in Hebrew manuscripts and all the New World Translation has done is render the Tetragramton as Jehovah. Jehovah is God the Father
Newagegamer3018 3 years ago
You say "Jehovah is God the Father"...
but your belief in the opposite of what Mormons believe. Mormons and many other "Christian" churches believe that Jehovah is Jesus Christ. But then again, most "Christians" today believe the "Trinity" theory. Most Christians before Constantine believed in multiple "Gods", ie... The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and others.
vaultcracker1 3 years ago
What? Most Christians before Constantine believed in multiple Gods? Then they were not Christians, were they? We have always believed in One God, the father Almighty. The Holy Trinity is indeed a mystery and many books have been written trying to explain it. But, one of the definitions of a Christian church as opposed to a cult is the belief in the Three in One. Father,Son and Holy Spirit. Not three seperate intities. We also believe in the virgin birth,one baptism,as laid out in the Creed.
nanabonniez 3 years ago
Who are you to define what a Christian is?
The Christian churches of today are very different from what they were just 50 years ago. Go back several hundred years and read the teaching of the Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, etc, and you find some very strange things. All churches change their theories over time. And they tend to reprint their bibles to reflect their new views.
vaultcracker1 3 years ago
Well, vaultcracker1,People were identified as Christians in Antioch in the Bible book of Acts. It is someone that follows the teachings of Christ. There is one Christian church that is unchanged the church that Christ came to earth to establish. That church was started by Christ 2000 years ago,and not by a man. I am a convert and came into the fold because of reading history and the Bible.Have you ever read a Catholic Bible?The first the original the undiluted word of God. Are you a Morman?
nanabonniez 3 years ago
But the question remains Newagegamer3018. How can the JW church change so many things in their version of the bible and still say it has the same meaning as the KJV. I have a copy of your old green bible as well as the newer one. There are hundreds of changes, much more than just a name change for Jehovah. Many verses say the direct opposide of what the KJV says.
vaultcracker1 3 years ago
Its called revisions lol
Newagegamer3018 3 years ago