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And another comment - you mention your mom is your motivator. I was always worried what people would think if I got the surgery. One day I got to the point when I was like "who cares? Im doing this for ME to make my life better" I didnt need to prove anything to anyone but myself.
Cool topic and very good statements. I used to feel the same way, that it was the "easy way out" and went back and forth for a few years...and up and down with my weight...after 19 years of fighting I added WLS as a TOOL to assist me.
I thought the video was FANTASTIC! I have always been curious on this topic. i don't know anyone that has had the surgery but as an obese person i have contemplated it many times. I think the reason that i did not pursue it was just lack of information and fear. it is stil in the back of my mind but i leave it there for now becuase what i am doing is working. Thanks for a great vid!
Wow came to this video after hearing about all the drama. Let me just say this video was well put together with great challenging questions its to bad more people couldn't be as kind and open to different paths as you great video and great channel I'm subbed
Low-carb is generally regarded as a "diet" rather than a habit/life change... there is so much scientific backing to the argument that low-carb is unnatural and unhealthy - I don't know that we should represent it on this channel. That's my opinion though... the others can weigh-in if they'd like.
Interesting...although i was joking. I have done my own scientific reasearch and have come to the conclusion that they all "experts" love to contradict each other. (I think it has to do with the almighty dollar) My philosiphy: each individual has thier own specific and independant health and it is impossible to have a way of eating that works for everyone.
That being said, if you treat low-carb like a "diet" and not a lifestyle change...that is all that it will be, same as all other diets.
LOL yes, true. I have know a lot of low-carb-ers and they all SWEAR by it, so I cannot refute the positivity there. And you're very right about the fact that whether it's a lifestyle or a diet is up to the individual.
Hi ...Good luck on your WW.. I had the sleeve Wed...Before surgery, I filled out a whole page on diets I've tried... WW to Phen Fen...I lost weight , but gained it back plus more....the surgery is just a tool to help me ... I have to do the rest....I have a host of dr. helping with exercise, nutrition, support groups, and a psychologist....I feel very fortunate to have the option of surgery...yea to getting healthy...that's what it's all about
I never noticed but I using don't pay that much attention. Most of my support is from the non weight loss community. Anyone that is losing weight, no matter how is hard and support is needed. Continued success on your weight loss.
I think its your choice to make and no one should judge..I've thought about before but have never done it for many reasons.. fear, money, knowing that i have other options besides going under the knife. but more power to whom ever takes this journey..we're all looking for the same results! :) great vid!
Wow. I watched that other ignorant girl's video first - what a difference between the two of you! I am a relatively new part of the WLS community and had never even heard of your community - her video was the first that I watched on your channel. What a shame... I appreciate your openness and willingness to listen and learn from others. I wish you all the best with whatever path you take to achieve your weight loss!
Al, you are a great speaker. I always enjoy your videos, but this one was so carefully balanced and fair. I also used to think it was the "easy way out", but after viewing some of the WLS YouTubers I have changed my tune.... however it also convinced me that I don't want it.
Agreed, Diva is a great vlogger. Thank you, it took me all my speaking mastery (lol) to keep this balanced and fair, unfortunately I think my other WLL'ers were much more passionate about that issue than I. >_>
I never considered weight loss surgery until I found the Youtube WLS community & became inspired by it, then i was like hey! maybe...? Tho I would probably choose lapband over gastric bypass becaus of less risk & restrictions. 1st tho I want to give dieting (I'm a calorie counter) a good try & see where that takes me. So far I've lost 94 lbs (in 8 month) since June 08, but if I reach a point where I don't have the strength to continue then who knows what choices I might find myself making next?
Easy way out huh! Perplexing! 400 lbs gained and lost over the past 20 years. How many times do you have to loose 100 lbs before it is dangerous? WLS is no different then having a boob job, or taking viagra, OH WAIT! Being obese KILLS YOU. Cases of death from a boob job and viagra huh! much lower chance of death. BUT ACCEPTED! Isn't it weird what is being criticized here. All the above are elective. Only one will save your life.........and it is the one being bashed. Interesting!!!!
So, I know everyone has their different opinions about things, but that never changes the truth. However "weight loss surgery" is a topic that I feel you can go either way on. I wouldn't do it unless I absoutely had to. I mean, why would someone if they didn't "have" to? God bless :D
maybe it is best to keep the 2 groups separate? It is hard to mesh with those that don't truly understand what the others are going through. Some can't relate, some don't agree, most simply don't understand. I don't hold anyone accountable for this gap. It isn't a total let down, just maybe we should stay focused on our individual goals, instead of trying to convince the other side. hmm food for thought.
There is no 'us' vs 'them' here. We are all fighting the same fight against obesity. We are all using different tools in that fight but the battle is the same for us all. It is a physical, spiritual, and emotional battle that requires mutual encouragement and caring. Some of us don't understand WLS. Granted. So what. I still care about you all and want you to succeed. The two sides have spoken their piece. Let's get back to what is important. Supporting and encouraging each other to succeed.
The one thing I am still not understanding is I support anyone who is losing weight I know it's hard no matter WHAT way you are doing it. Why is it ok for me to support everyone but because I had RNY I am not always supported by the same people I support? One to ponder. And again Alejandro thank you soo much for bringing this up. <3 Nicol
No saying I think people SHOULD support me. Not asking for that but everyone that basically calls it the easy way out. or doesn't support WLS are not supportive. Regardless. BUT Today is a happy day for me I hit my goal weight of 155 I have lost 150 lbs so I am on cloud nine. :D
I had a friend do fabulously on WW. I had 2 family members have GP and gained back their weight. I think it is still up to the individual to make it work.
I had GP a couple of weeks ago. My current thinking is that the surgery is helping get a "fresh start" on eating because the types of food and amount of them is so limited at first and then graduate.
For example, my new "pouch" has never had a Big Mac. I can make a choice not to ever introduce one to it.
You are right, WLS it is not the easiest way out, it may be fastest but not the easiest. The best thing to do is to not judge the path that others take to achieve their goal of a healthier life. There is a division between the groups, it just certain people that won't let others in the"click" therefore causing the division.
I agree - one community. WLS peeps still have to work out and eat right -çause if you don't you'll just re-gain. Build the bridge - I'm going to join your group! I'l be getting Lap Ban in MArch - but I am now and have been doing the healthy lifestyle change and will continue to do so! Cheers
Thanks for approaching this topic Al. Controversy causes education so all the drama to follow is good in the end as I'm sure it will benefit someone. I appreciate your respect for different opinions and positions regarding this topic. Cheers! Tom
Hey Al, I really appreciate your comments and bringing up this topic. I really enjoy WLL but felt like that separation between the two communities prevented a lot of really GOOD advice to be brought to light. I'll defninitely be doing a video response.
Thank you for bringing this topic to light, Ale and for being unbiased while presenting it. I look forward to hearing/seeing people's response. ~Rebecca
1. My father had a stroke when he was in his very early 40's and I didn't want to be on the same path. My hips hurt, my knees hurt, my asthma is bad. I look horrible naked. I am tired of struggling with food and having the food always eventually win.
2. I have been successful on lots of diet plans and programs. In the short term (ie:more than 1 year, less than 2). It isn't healthy to keep going up and down.
3. I'm having the WLS on Thursday, so I can't say at the moment.
I have no idea why the communities are so divided. I didnt knw there was a WLC until AJ's (watchmegetskinny) video introduced it. Honestly? At 1point or another each of us from WLS/WLC were just like 1 another. I don't see a reason why we shouldn't all be supportive of one another at ALL TIMES. We all have 1 COMMON GOAL, lose weight, get healthy. But also: break old habits, make better choices, KEEP WEIGHT OFF. I applaud every 1 from WLS/WLC for working toward your goals. Congrats. xoxo -Aimee
I considered it at my highest weight but the health risks up to and including death and not wanting to change how my body worked for the rest of my life kept me from doing it. I have to be able to do this on my own because after a couple of years when I can eat more I will if I have not changed my mindset. I feel like wls is an easier way out than diet and exercise alone but years down the road if you don't change your mindset you will gain it back. So I have to do it on my own.
I have considered the surgery at times when I felt helpless and out of control. WLS gives you a temporary reprieve from using food to cope with life. However if you are persistent you can eat in a way that allows you to gain your weight back. If you don't deal with the real (mental) reasons you overeat then you will eventually get back to overeating. WLS surgery is a bandaid that gives you a window of opportunity to make better choices and develop better habits. If you do so it works well.
Great weight loss surgery programs have regular Dr., a bariatric Dr., a Phyisican's assistant, a psychologist, a nutritionist, an exercise physiologist and a behavior change group requirement. You should never go to a program that does not support the entire package that would just be uninformed and not well researched.
I disagree Danny with WLS being a bandaid. I've known a co-worker personally and two others that have maintained and have lived healthier lives for several years with the process, because they did their research. Very well written thought though.
When I say bandaid I simply mean that WLS is not a cure all. It is a temporary means of helping with the physiological part of weight loss. It can't be depended on to be the final cure. Sometimes bandaids stop the bleeding...but sometimes you need "stitches." In this case, proper nutrition and exercise have to be the stitches. WLS puts you in position to succeed but you still have to get mentally healthy to succeed long term. You have to get to the underlying reasons we overeat or you will fail
I can't remember the questions, but it is an interesting topic for me. My brother, who is morbidly obese, refuses to have the surgery, even after the doctor told him he needed to lose weight or he might not make it another two years. His wife had the surgery, and looked great for awhile. But now she has gained the weight back. I, myself, believe that we need to change our eating habits and make the good choices. I worry about my brother, and my sister in law. Thank you for this channel.
2. I decided not to undergo surgery because I'm way too afraid.
3. I totally support anyone who decides to have the procedure done. It is up to the person and their doctor what they want to do with their body. I am not one to judge and I respect others decisions on how they want to lose weight. The only thing that bothers me is when people PUSH a weight loss method onto other people. Otherwise, I wouldn't think less of the person.
1. Yes i have briefly considered it, mainly on days i didnt believe in myself..
2. Thinking about it was the one thing needed... If you're not able to love yourself and your body enough to stop eating the way youre eating then the chance it might all come back on is huge. Or worse you overeat while youre not supposed to and face consequences.
I think a lot of eating habbits come from emotional problems, mainly not loving yourself enough. I would say: Try NLP (and give it a SERIOUS try!)
For me, I think WLS is the lazy person's way out. Basically, you are saying that you are powerless to make any changes in your life. You are admitting to yourself that food 100% controls you, and you are powerless to change that fact.
If I ever get to that point, just shoot me. Life simply isn't worth living if I am powerless to change myself for the better.
Also, I better be on my deathbed, before any surgeon is going to cut me open.
Michiganlover, being powerless is NOT being lazy. We are not all created the same and we do not all have the same will power. If a person truly does not have the will power to stop eating then the surgery might be the only way to go. It's no different than a drug user entering rehab because they cannot stop the drug use alone. You are basically saying that their life is not worth living and I find that cruel and offensive.
I don't believe most are ever that powerless in life. Drug addicts yes, people who use food to cope with the emotional ups and downs of life not so much.
The one thing that separates us from nearly every other creature on the face of this earth, is our ability to think, to understand what went wrong, and to make plans to do better in the future.
I am not sure I buy into the AA idea, of admitting we are powerless over addiction. Each of us makes conscious choices to continue bad behavior.
I'll admit that I am totally ignorant about weight loss surgery and blindly refer to it as "an easy way out" as well. I'm interested to see what I learn this week. Good topic choice Al.
I've never considered surgery because I'm just not at a point where I don't think the weight can be brought off w/ just diet and exercise but I think that even if I were at a point where it was a viable option I would be scared. I had a friend who underwent gastric by-pass surgery and died several days later because of a blood clot. Now, the idea of weight loss surgery just terrifies me. I do think though, that it is a good option for some and shouldn't be looked down on in the least.
same for me. im a firm believer if you can move you can loose weight simple steps first walk and lower cals in. it all helps.
no i would never have the surgery because im too stubborn. i refused to buy new jeans i made myself get back into my pre baby clothes and did 50lbs to get back into those Also i have a sis who did this surgery im not saying all but seeing her and a few others they HAVE NOT learned how to eat nor do they exercise. so in that case yes they took the easy way out.
Alejandro, sign me up my friend. I was sent this video to see some of the video replies that you have already gotten. Once I watch them, I will do a video reply! :D cheers!
At my highest (267 lbs) I never considered surgery because I knew losing weight from there was totally do-able. I think if people have immediate health isues warranting the surgery then they should do it. If they just cant lose weight on will power alone, then sometimes that's the only option because remaining large has it's health issues just as the surgery does. Anyone who chooses that route should spend hours of research before doing it. I've got nothing against it...it just wasn't for me.
Years ago, at my heaviest of 220 lbs, I had scheduled the surgery, but backed out. The reason I backed out was out of fear of the surgery and the longer term potentiality for medical issues due to lack of absorption of minerals, etc. Granted that was the more severe of the surgeries out there. (the bypass). Certainly the lap band and the stapling survery are less invasive. Also with any quick weight loss, you often get loose skin, as opposed to when the weight loss is more gradual.
Are you serious?! At 220?! They'll do surgery for someone at 220? I can't even conceive of that. I'm 237, I have a bad back, and a bad knee, and I can STILL do a majority of physical activities without difficult. At 237, I'm certainly not about to keel over from some obesity related disease. No offense meant to you - I'm just horrified that a doctor would even entertain that option for someone with a fairly minor weight problem.
It's not about the weight in numbers of pounds, but what your bmi is. This is all personal, to what your body is doing, and what co-morbidities you may or may not have.
Yes, I know. My BMI is 41% (morbidly obese.) My point is, this is not that much extra weight. I do understand what some people are saying, that they have hundreds of pounds to lose, and that's possibly years of hard work to be in a comfortable range. At 220, you're looking at 30-40 pounds to get in a "safe, but still working on it" range. That's 6-ish months of diet and exercise, and not all that much more than the changes you have to make anyway for surgery.
I've never thought of weight loss surgery as the easy way out. It was a WLS member who originally inspired me to begin vlogging on here. People don't understand that even with the surgery you can still gain it all back!
Here are the reasons why I chose not to:
1) Its unnatural, and I believe in doing things the natural way
2) Its a highly invasive procedure that harms 2 otherwise healthy organs: the skin and the stomach
I'm with you on this one. If something can be done without damaging the body, I think we are wise to chose that option. I don't know that people realize that damage is cumulative, and our bodies have limited repair capacity.
You're also damaging muscle and fascia, in addition to the skin and stomach.
The first surgery was only performed 40 years ago - the long term consequences are still really unknown.
Your body, your choice, but I am personally against it.
i have considered it before. but i feel it is far to expensive and life changing so quickly to do it at that point in time. i felt i wasnt in such a situation where if i didnt get the surgery i may die. i am far more happier having lost it on my own as well. i dont think i would have the same feeling of being proud if i had WLS. also, loosing weight so fast makes it almost impossible to not have extra skin.
I wish I could convince all people considering wls not to do it!!! There are so many mental tricks you can use u don't need the surgery, I know lots of these tricks. Don't do it.
I am so glad that you chose this topic, i support both of the communities, and I think it would be good to see more of a "coming together". You said it perfectly, I think you should pic more topics in the future :) <3
I am so against wls. I know so many people who have lost their lifes from it. Please don't do it!!!! Its not worth death or a life ruined. Its just not worth the risk.
..that's all WLS is..a tool to help those who can't manage to lose other ways by forcing them to make the changes and stick to it. I sure would love the huge and quick losses most get from it..they seem to just melt sometimes LOL but the risks far outweigh the benefits for me. But, I don't judge anyone who has it, and if they're happy and they get to goal because of it, then I'm happy for them and completely support anyone's personal choices for their journey to health. Great topic!
It is a "drastic" process per se. Sometimes people don't have a lot of time to lose (x) amount of weight before they have a serious medical problem and that process is a "tool" to help them.
Oh, this could get good..or messy.. lol Personally, it's never been an option, even though I realize it's not the easy way out.. but I can't see doing that to my body, it's just too drastic. WLS isnt magic, ultimately, to be successful, you have to change the way you eat and think about food, you have to cut calories drastically, to an unhealthy level, and still have to exercise anyway..I can do that w/o the surgery..and the health issues that come with it. Some can't..for them "the tool" works
2.Personally I would have to have a doctor tell me at this present time that my health was too poor to carry on without immediate weight loss surgery/urgent measures have to be taken/past the point of diet-exercise.
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I agree that to make a well-rounded WLL panel a WLS YouTube community member should join the discussions and represent their "side" of things here in the entire WL community!
I appreciate that for some, WLS is great for some.
For me, I'm not "anti" it. I have friends on here that are having or have had WLS and I support them fully. BUT, I'd never have it and haven't considered it. The reasons why: 1. I'm not big enough to warrant it. 2. I CAN lose weight naturally (as I have in the past) 3. I want to stand back at the end and say "I did that myself". I hope I haven't offended anyone by saying that - just being honest. Em x
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And another comment - you mention your mom is your motivator. I was always worried what people would think if I got the surgery. One day I got to the point when I was like "who cares? Im doing this for ME to make my life better" I didnt need to prove anything to anyone but myself.
Kellawanda 2 years ago
Cool topic and very good statements. I used to feel the same way, that it was the "easy way out" and went back and forth for a few years...and up and down with my weight...after 19 years of fighting I added WLS as a TOOL to assist me.
Kellawanda 2 years ago
I thought the video was FANTASTIC! I have always been curious on this topic. i don't know anyone that has had the surgery but as an obese person i have contemplated it many times. I think the reason that i did not pursue it was just lack of information and fear. it is stil in the back of my mind but i leave it there for now becuase what i am doing is working. Thanks for a great vid!
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goldlmine007 2 years ago
Wow came to this video after hearing about all the drama. Let me just say this video was well put together with great challenging questions its to bad more people couldn't be as kind and open to different paths as you great video and great channel I'm subbed
Spartan488to300 3 years ago
You don't have a low carb representative either!! pffffffft!!!!!!
Still love the channel though. :)
thesiegster 3 years ago
Low-carb is generally regarded as a "diet" rather than a habit/life change... there is so much scientific backing to the argument that low-carb is unnatural and unhealthy - I don't know that we should represent it on this channel. That's my opinion though... the others can weigh-in if they'd like.
Sorry!
antishay 3 years ago
Interesting...although i was joking. I have done my own scientific reasearch and have come to the conclusion that they all "experts" love to contradict each other. (I think it has to do with the almighty dollar) My philosiphy: each individual has thier own specific and independant health and it is impossible to have a way of eating that works for everyone.
That being said, if you treat low-carb like a "diet" and not a lifestyle change...that is all that it will be, same as all other diets.
thesiegster 3 years ago
LOL yes, true. I have know a lot of low-carb-ers and they all SWEAR by it, so I cannot refute the positivity there. And you're very right about the fact that whether it's a lifestyle or a diet is up to the individual.
Hmm.
antishay 3 years ago
Hi ...Good luck on your WW.. I had the sleeve Wed...Before surgery, I filled out a whole page on diets I've tried... WW to Phen Fen...I lost weight , but gained it back plus more....the surgery is just a tool to help me ... I have to do the rest....I have a host of dr. helping with exercise, nutrition, support groups, and a psychologist....I feel very fortunate to have the option of surgery...yea to getting healthy...that's what it's all about
vikkijoe86 3 years ago
WOW get a life do your thing and leave everyone else to do their thing.
tubbietubtub 3 years ago
I never noticed but I using don't pay that much attention. Most of my support is from the non weight loss community. Anyone that is losing weight, no matter how is hard and support is needed. Continued success on your weight loss.
Jinxie228 3 years ago
I think its your choice to make and no one should judge..I've thought about before but have never done it for many reasons.. fear, money, knowing that i have other options besides going under the knife. but more power to whom ever takes this journey..we're all looking for the same results! :) great vid!
UltimateAnonymity 3 years ago
Wow. I watched that other ignorant girl's video first - what a difference between the two of you! I am a relatively new part of the WLS community and had never even heard of your community - her video was the first that I watched on your channel. What a shame... I appreciate your openness and willingness to listen and learn from others. I wish you all the best with whatever path you take to achieve your weight loss!
jodie729 3 years ago
great vid!!! although I am not in the position to be qualified to talk about it...
But we all have the same goal, so we should accept/respect the different ways of achieving it (as long as nobody is hurt - mentally or physically :))
ProjectClassReunion 3 years ago
Al, you are a great speaker. I always enjoy your videos, but this one was so carefully balanced and fair. I also used to think it was the "easy way out", but after viewing some of the WLS YouTubers I have changed my tune.... however it also convinced me that I don't want it.
A great vlogger is divatauna
halfbakedlaska 3 years ago
Agreed, Diva is a great vlogger. Thank you, it took me all my speaking mastery (lol) to keep this balanced and fair, unfortunately I think my other WLL'ers were much more passionate about that issue than I. >_>
alejandro
weightlosslosers 3 years ago
I never considered weight loss surgery until I found the Youtube WLS community & became inspired by it, then i was like hey! maybe...? Tho I would probably choose lapband over gastric bypass becaus of less risk & restrictions. 1st tho I want to give dieting (I'm a calorie counter) a good try & see where that takes me. So far I've lost 94 lbs (in 8 month) since June 08, but if I reach a point where I don't have the strength to continue then who knows what choices I might find myself making next?
blkBBW 3 years ago
Easy way out huh! Perplexing! 400 lbs gained and lost over the past 20 years. How many times do you have to loose 100 lbs before it is dangerous? WLS is no different then having a boob job, or taking viagra, OH WAIT! Being obese KILLS YOU. Cases of death from a boob job and viagra huh! much lower chance of death. BUT ACCEPTED! Isn't it weird what is being criticized here. All the above are elective. Only one will save your life.........and it is the one being bashed. Interesting!!!!
wormfood92 3 years ago
So, I know everyone has their different opinions about things, but that never changes the truth. However "weight loss surgery" is a topic that I feel you can go either way on. I wouldn't do it unless I absoutely had to. I mean, why would someone if they didn't "have" to? God bless :D
brasileiraamericana 3 years ago
maybe it is best to keep the 2 groups separate? It is hard to mesh with those that don't truly understand what the others are going through. Some can't relate, some don't agree, most simply don't understand. I don't hold anyone accountable for this gap. It isn't a total let down, just maybe we should stay focused on our individual goals, instead of trying to convince the other side. hmm food for thought.
watchmegetskinny 3 years ago
There is no 'us' vs 'them' here. We are all fighting the same fight against obesity. We are all using different tools in that fight but the battle is the same for us all. It is a physical, spiritual, and emotional battle that requires mutual encouragement and caring. Some of us don't understand WLS. Granted. So what. I still care about you all and want you to succeed. The two sides have spoken their piece. Let's get back to what is important. Supporting and encouraging each other to succeed.
ActionWords 3 years ago
Thank God for Good Insurance.
MySilentSerenity 3 years ago
The one thing I am still not understanding is I support anyone who is losing weight I know it's hard no matter WHAT way you are doing it. Why is it ok for me to support everyone but because I had RNY I am not always supported by the same people I support? One to ponder. And again Alejandro thank you soo much for bringing this up. <3 Nicol
ShrinkinPhotographer 3 years ago
I'm curious who is not supporting you in your WL that you feel should be?
antishay 3 years ago
No saying I think people SHOULD support me. Not asking for that but everyone that basically calls it the easy way out. or doesn't support WLS are not supportive. Regardless. BUT Today is a happy day for me I hit my goal weight of 155 I have lost 150 lbs so I am on cloud nine. :D
ShrinkinPhotographer 3 years ago
Awesome! I am so happy for you. 150 lbs is amazing.
ActionWords 3 years ago
I had a friend do fabulously on WW. I had 2 family members have GP and gained back their weight. I think it is still up to the individual to make it work.
I had GP a couple of weeks ago. My current thinking is that the surgery is helping get a "fresh start" on eating because the types of food and amount of them is so limited at first and then graduate.
For example, my new "pouch" has never had a Big Mac. I can make a choice not to ever introduce one to it.
momtothepoob 3 years ago
You Opened Up a Can of WORMS:-)
Several Hurricanes are passing through DFW:-)
I think we all need to support each other, No matter how we Choose to lose weight.
Were all OverWeight so were all Fucked Up Mentally....We all have been teased and tortmented, and need Support.
WEIGHTLOSS IS A CHOICE:-)
No Matter how the method.
I have lost almost 100 pounds and I did it on my own....only because I dont have Insurance.
Nicsaprincess 3 years ago
i am in youtube heaven today, thank you al!
alifelessboring 3 years ago
You are right, WLS it is not the easiest way out, it may be fastest but not the easiest. The best thing to do is to not judge the path that others take to achieve their goal of a healthier life. There is a division between the groups, it just certain people that won't let others in the"click" therefore causing the division.
Seedcovers 3 years ago
Thumbs up. Well said.
Slim4Iife 3 years ago
I agree - one community. WLS peeps still have to work out and eat right -çause if you don't you'll just re-gain. Build the bridge - I'm going to join your group! I'l be getting Lap Ban in MArch - but I am now and have been doing the healthy lifestyle change and will continue to do so! Cheers
kbf1 3 years ago
I love this dialogue
ActionWords 3 years ago
Thanks for approaching this topic Al. Controversy causes education so all the drama to follow is good in the end as I'm sure it will benefit someone. I appreciate your respect for different opinions and positions regarding this topic. Cheers! Tom
winelover215 3 years ago
Thank you Tom.
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Respectfully,
Alejandro
weightlosslosers 3 years ago
totally agree!
vzballa 3 years ago
I agree that we should all be ONE group no matter how we are losing it. I appreciate you bringing this topic to the table. You've handled it well :)
allisonpacino 3 years ago
Allison, so great to hear from you! :) I would appreciate it if you can spread the word :)
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Respectfully,
Alejandro
weightlosslosers 3 years ago
Hey Al, I really appreciate your comments and bringing up this topic. I really enjoy WLL but felt like that separation between the two communities prevented a lot of really GOOD advice to be brought to light. I'll defninitely be doing a video response.
youwantgeek 3 years ago
I definitely wanted to change it up this week. Let's talk about the hard issues. Want a book review? Go to Amazon! :) hehe.
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Alejandro
weightlosslosers 3 years ago
WLS Loser here! Thanks Alejandro. We should have more of a voice cross-community.
atomx71 3 years ago
I completely agree. I think WLS needs to be represented on our channel.
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Alejandro
weightlosslosers 3 years ago
Thank you for bringing this topic to light, Ale and for being unbiased while presenting it. I look forward to hearing/seeing people's response. ~Rebecca
CreationofClay 3 years ago
Thank you Rebecca! :)
weightlosslosers 3 years ago
Great video, I had lap band about 5 months ago and I will post a video response later today:) Becky
bookyroony 3 years ago
Look forward to it!
weightlosslosers 3 years ago
1. My father had a stroke when he was in his very early 40's and I didn't want to be on the same path. My hips hurt, my knees hurt, my asthma is bad. I look horrible naked. I am tired of struggling with food and having the food always eventually win.
2. I have been successful on lots of diet plans and programs. In the short term (ie:more than 1 year, less than 2). It isn't healthy to keep going up and down.
3. I'm having the WLS on Thursday, so I can't say at the moment.
IamBmeTammy 3 years ago
Good luck Tammy. Will be pulling for you!
junkinthetrunkk 3 years ago
Thanks junkinthetrunk.
It'll be first thing in the morning and I'll accept all good thoughts sent my way :-)
IamBmeTammy 3 years ago
I have no idea why the communities are so divided. I didnt knw there was a WLC until AJ's (watchmegetskinny) video introduced it. Honestly? At 1point or another each of us from WLS/WLC were just like 1 another. I don't see a reason why we shouldn't all be supportive of one another at ALL TIMES. We all have 1 COMMON GOAL, lose weight, get healthy. But also: break old habits, make better choices, KEEP WEIGHT OFF. I applaud every 1 from WLS/WLC for working toward your goals. Congrats. xoxo -Aimee
phattestgirl 3 years ago
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YAY Alejandro...GREAT! You are the GREATEST! very honest
junkinthetrunkk 3 years ago
I considered it at my highest weight but the health risks up to and including death and not wanting to change how my body worked for the rest of my life kept me from doing it. I have to be able to do this on my own because after a couple of years when I can eat more I will if I have not changed my mindset. I feel like wls is an easier way out than diet and exercise alone but years down the road if you don't change your mindset you will gain it back. So I have to do it on my own.
Serious1n2004 3 years ago
I have considered the surgery at times when I felt helpless and out of control. WLS gives you a temporary reprieve from using food to cope with life. However if you are persistent you can eat in a way that allows you to gain your weight back. If you don't deal with the real (mental) reasons you overeat then you will eventually get back to overeating. WLS surgery is a bandaid that gives you a window of opportunity to make better choices and develop better habits. If you do so it works well.
ActionWords 3 years ago
This is a really great comment imho. Thank you, Danny.
antishay 3 years ago
Great weight loss surgery programs have regular Dr., a bariatric Dr., a Phyisican's assistant, a psychologist, a nutritionist, an exercise physiologist and a behavior change group requirement. You should never go to a program that does not support the entire package that would just be uninformed and not well researched.
08TheYearofMe 3 years ago
I agree that research is the key.
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Respectfully,
Alejandro
weightlosslosers 3 years ago
I disagree Danny with WLS being a bandaid. I've known a co-worker personally and two others that have maintained and have lived healthier lives for several years with the process, because they did their research. Very well written thought though.
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Alejandro
weightlosslosers 3 years ago
When I say bandaid I simply mean that WLS is not a cure all. It is a temporary means of helping with the physiological part of weight loss. It can't be depended on to be the final cure. Sometimes bandaids stop the bleeding...but sometimes you need "stitches." In this case, proper nutrition and exercise have to be the stitches. WLS puts you in position to succeed but you still have to get mentally healthy to succeed long term. You have to get to the underlying reasons we overeat or you will fail
ActionWords 3 years ago
i would like to volunteer, i am 5 yrs out .... and i lost 417 pounds,
MyPinkRainbow 3 years ago
it IS all about the same goal...do what is best for you...peace.
nessamaine 3 years ago
I can't remember the questions, but it is an interesting topic for me. My brother, who is morbidly obese, refuses to have the surgery, even after the doctor told him he needed to lose weight or he might not make it another two years. His wife had the surgery, and looked great for awhile. But now she has gained the weight back. I, myself, believe that we need to change our eating habits and make the good choices. I worry about my brother, and my sister in law. Thank you for this channel.
colliermorgan 3 years ago
1. I've never considered the surgery before.
2. I decided not to undergo surgery because I'm way too afraid.
3. I totally support anyone who decides to have the procedure done. It is up to the person and their doctor what they want to do with their body. I am not one to judge and I respect others decisions on how they want to lose weight. The only thing that bothers me is when people PUSH a weight loss method onto other people. Otherwise, I wouldn't think less of the person.
singdomiso 3 years ago
1. Yes i have briefly considered it, mainly on days i didnt believe in myself..
2. Thinking about it was the one thing needed... If you're not able to love yourself and your body enough to stop eating the way youre eating then the chance it might all come back on is huge. Or worse you overeat while youre not supposed to and face consequences.
I think a lot of eating habbits come from emotional problems, mainly not loving yourself enough. I would say: Try NLP (and give it a SERIOUS try!)
3. =2
Feliesje 3 years ago
1. I have not considered WLS. My highest weight, Jan 1, 2009, was only 195.
2. I never thought I was heavy enough for it, the risks out weighed the benefits, the benefits I can get "on my own" per se, without WLS.
3. Personally, I think it is very drastic. However, some people may need drastic measures...so...
dieselmota 3 years ago
For me, I think WLS is the lazy person's way out. Basically, you are saying that you are powerless to make any changes in your life. You are admitting to yourself that food 100% controls you, and you are powerless to change that fact.
If I ever get to that point, just shoot me. Life simply isn't worth living if I am powerless to change myself for the better.
Also, I better be on my deathbed, before any surgeon is going to cut me open.
No way would I ever have the surgery done!
michiganlover 3 years ago
Michiganlover, being powerless is NOT being lazy. We are not all created the same and we do not all have the same will power. If a person truly does not have the will power to stop eating then the surgery might be the only way to go. It's no different than a drug user entering rehab because they cannot stop the drug use alone. You are basically saying that their life is not worth living and I find that cruel and offensive.
Imskinnyinside 3 years ago
Ditto
ActionWords 3 years ago
I don't believe most are ever that powerless in life. Drug addicts yes, people who use food to cope with the emotional ups and downs of life not so much.
The one thing that separates us from nearly every other creature on the face of this earth, is our ability to think, to understand what went wrong, and to make plans to do better in the future.
I am not sure I buy into the AA idea, of admitting we are powerless over addiction. Each of us makes conscious choices to continue bad behavior.
michiganlover 3 years ago
I'll admit that I am totally ignorant about weight loss surgery and blindly refer to it as "an easy way out" as well. I'm interested to see what I learn this week. Good topic choice Al.
luxie1718 3 years ago
I've never considered surgery because I'm just not at a point where I don't think the weight can be brought off w/ just diet and exercise but I think that even if I were at a point where it was a viable option I would be scared. I had a friend who underwent gastric by-pass surgery and died several days later because of a blood clot. Now, the idea of weight loss surgery just terrifies me. I do think though, that it is a good option for some and shouldn't be looked down on in the least.
positivechica 3 years ago
Good video.
I agree there is a divide between the groups. I have always considered us all to be in the same group. It is obvious that some don't see it that way.
I wonder if there is any resentment towards non-WLS folks by the WLS folks? Or viceversa?
It is my opinion that we are ALL on the same team. The WL team. Different approaches but same goals.
ActionWords 3 years ago
same for me. im a firm believer if you can move you can loose weight simple steps first walk and lower cals in. it all helps.
no i would never have the surgery because im too stubborn. i refused to buy new jeans i made myself get back into my pre baby clothes and did 50lbs to get back into those Also i have a sis who did this surgery im not saying all but seeing her and a few others they HAVE NOT learned how to eat nor do they exercise. so in that case yes they took the easy way out.
beyerprep 3 years ago
Alejandro, sign me up my friend. I was sent this video to see some of the video replies that you have already gotten. Once I watch them, I will do a video reply! :D cheers!
watchmegetskinny 3 years ago
Awesome vid! I do think that there seems to be a little divide.....you are right, your channel needs a WLS participant.....
I have never thought of having surgery, I feel for me it's too invasive and surgery scares me in general~ :-)
KarlaKayM 3 years ago
There are two unfilled days....gastric Saturday and lap-band Sunday?
sebbes 3 years ago
i wanna the lap band but i listen to others and decided not too. now i'm no longer obese and just over weight and it's no longer an option.
yes i wish would have followed my gut and had it done
zurplemoon 3 years ago
At my highest (267 lbs) I never considered surgery because I knew losing weight from there was totally do-able. I think if people have immediate health isues warranting the surgery then they should do it. If they just cant lose weight on will power alone, then sometimes that's the only option because remaining large has it's health issues just as the surgery does. Anyone who chooses that route should spend hours of research before doing it. I've got nothing against it...it just wasn't for me.
Imskinnyinside 3 years ago
Years ago, at my heaviest of 220 lbs, I had scheduled the surgery, but backed out. The reason I backed out was out of fear of the surgery and the longer term potentiality for medical issues due to lack of absorption of minerals, etc. Granted that was the more severe of the surgeries out there. (the bypass). Certainly the lap band and the stapling survery are less invasive. Also with any quick weight loss, you often get loose skin, as opposed to when the weight loss is more gradual.
fit2btried 3 years ago
Are you serious?! At 220?! They'll do surgery for someone at 220? I can't even conceive of that. I'm 237, I have a bad back, and a bad knee, and I can STILL do a majority of physical activities without difficult. At 237, I'm certainly not about to keel over from some obesity related disease. No offense meant to you - I'm just horrified that a doctor would even entertain that option for someone with a fairly minor weight problem.
WingedSeed 3 years ago
It's not about the weight in numbers of pounds, but what your bmi is. This is all personal, to what your body is doing, and what co-morbidities you may or may not have.
cutsiegirlz 3 years ago
Yes, I know. My BMI is 41% (morbidly obese.) My point is, this is not that much extra weight. I do understand what some people are saying, that they have hundreds of pounds to lose, and that's possibly years of hard work to be in a comfortable range. At 220, you're looking at 30-40 pounds to get in a "safe, but still working on it" range. That's 6-ish months of diet and exercise, and not all that much more than the changes you have to make anyway for surgery.
WingedSeed 3 years ago
I've never thought of weight loss surgery as the easy way out. It was a WLS member who originally inspired me to begin vlogging on here. People don't understand that even with the surgery you can still gain it all back!
Here are the reasons why I chose not to:
1) Its unnatural, and I believe in doing things the natural way
2) Its a highly invasive procedure that harms 2 otherwise healthy organs: the skin and the stomach
3) I'm not willing to risk my life to lose weight
coquinat 3 years ago
4) It can result in nutrient deficincies that are difficult to treat
coquinat 3 years ago
I'm with you on this one. If something can be done without damaging the body, I think we are wise to chose that option. I don't know that people realize that damage is cumulative, and our bodies have limited repair capacity.
You're also damaging muscle and fascia, in addition to the skin and stomach.
The first surgery was only performed 40 years ago - the long term consequences are still really unknown.
Your body, your choice, but I am personally against it.
WingedSeed 3 years ago
i have considered it before. but i feel it is far to expensive and life changing so quickly to do it at that point in time. i felt i wasnt in such a situation where if i didnt get the surgery i may die. i am far more happier having lost it on my own as well. i dont think i would have the same feeling of being proud if i had WLS. also, loosing weight so fast makes it almost impossible to not have extra skin.
kristine0002 3 years ago
I wish I could convince all people considering wls not to do it!!! There are so many mental tricks you can use u don't need the surgery, I know lots of these tricks. Don't do it.
sushicatny 3 years ago
I am so glad that you chose this topic, i support both of the communities, and I think it would be good to see more of a "coming together". You said it perfectly, I think you should pic more topics in the future :) <3
FindingKristy 3 years ago
Hmm, I never even really though about what a delicate subject this can be among people in the weight loss community.
1) I have considered it, not seriously, but it's always seemed like it would be an awesome solution to my problems.
2) I still think about it every so often, but I don't think I would sacrifice the time and healing process to go through with it.
3) I haven't had it because apparently I'm not big enough at 6'2" and 200 lbs - and in the back of my mind I know I can lose the weight.
AEAFHCO1018 3 years ago
1. Yes when I weighed 235 I considered it
2. I wanted to do it myself
3. I am against it (I don't want to offend anyone)
I just know that I don't need the surgery to lose the weight that I want to.
I am considering cosmetic surgery once I get to goal though.
avarielle015 3 years ago
I am so against wls. I know so many people who have lost their lifes from it. Please don't do it!!!! Its not worth death or a life ruined. Its just not worth the risk.
sushicatny 3 years ago
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08TheYearofMe 3 years ago
..that's all WLS is..a tool to help those who can't manage to lose other ways by forcing them to make the changes and stick to it. I sure would love the huge and quick losses most get from it..they seem to just melt sometimes LOL but the risks far outweigh the benefits for me. But, I don't judge anyone who has it, and if they're happy and they get to goal because of it, then I'm happy for them and completely support anyone's personal choices for their journey to health. Great topic!
Jazmine375 3 years ago
It is a "drastic" process per se. Sometimes people don't have a lot of time to lose (x) amount of weight before they have a serious medical problem and that process is a "tool" to help them.
weightlosslosers 3 years ago
Oh, this could get good..or messy.. lol Personally, it's never been an option, even though I realize it's not the easy way out.. but I can't see doing that to my body, it's just too drastic. WLS isnt magic, ultimately, to be successful, you have to change the way you eat and think about food, you have to cut calories drastically, to an unhealthy level, and still have to exercise anyway..I can do that w/o the surgery..and the health issues that come with it. Some can't..for them "the tool" works
Jazmine375 3 years ago
It is a delicate subject!
1. I have not seriously considered WLS
2.Personally I would have to have a doctor tell me at this present time that my health was too poor to carry on without immediate weight loss surgery/urgent measures have to be taken/past the point of diet-exercise.
3.Video Attached
I agree that to make a well-rounded WLL panel a WLS YouTube community member should join the discussions and represent their "side" of things here in the entire WL community!
ceramicheart150 3 years ago
Well rounded is the definitely the key here.
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Alejandro
weightlosslosers 3 years ago
Right on Al.
piperlynne 3 years ago
thank you piper!
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Alejandro
weightlosslosers 3 years ago
Well, if you ever want an active voice on the channel with weightloss surgery let me know. I will do a video response to this.
ShrinkinPhotographer 3 years ago
Oh, you and I would have so much fun! :)
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Alejandro
weightlosslosers 3 years ago
Hmm... controversial! Love it.
I appreciate that for some, WLS is great for some.
For me, I'm not "anti" it. I have friends on here that are having or have had WLS and I support them fully. BUT, I'd never have it and haven't considered it. The reasons why: 1. I'm not big enough to warrant it. 2. I CAN lose weight naturally (as I have in the past) 3. I want to stand back at the end and say "I did that myself". I hope I haven't offended anyone by saying that - just being honest. Em x
TheStarvingSoprano 3 years ago
Good thoughts.
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Alejandro
weightlosslosers 3 years ago
This is a very necessary video. I really enjoyed it.
julinside 3 years ago
Thank you!
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Alejandro
weightlosslosers 3 years ago