As usual with these wankers the US Military and Israel are to blame. Wat a load of crap. The occupation of Afgahnistan???? Isn't that wat the Taliban are trying to do??? I'm pretty sure once Afgahnistan can stand on its own feet NATO will leave. The problem with these activists is that they want us to disarm ourselves which is a noble idea except for the fact that every nasty sob with a redical agenda is arming themselves to the teeth. Not smart to be unarmed in a world of bullies...
Actually weapons are neutral. Its people who use them. A pistol can be used by a policeman to protect you or by a murderer to kill you. So get some reality hippy dipshit!
what youmean with "nazi Germany"? the past? ore the "what is"? because @ the moment whe have a better demokratie then you with your pseudo freedom! whou things wappons are the only solution is wrong! they are made to kill and notto save they made no fredom they make sklavs!! so wapponsfrinds fuck off!
Its great that these losers have the right to protest. Glad they can do so in a lawful manner. And guess what..the "defence industry" by supplying weapons has allowed them to do that. Like all dimwitted peaceniks, these folk need to read some history.
this is not about refusing to pick up weapons to defend stuff that ought to be defended...this is about weapons being manufactured so they can be sold off to someone they shouldn't be sold to for obvious reasons,the reasons they are being used for,conquest not defence.
as people under state we must make sure we oppose when our states do this,otherwise we carry responsibility as well.
If you lived in Indonesia, for example, the weapons that the Indonesian government are using to commit genocide and to torture their own citizens are being paid for with your taxes.
Yes. And the weapons used to stop the genocide in bosnia were paid for by my tax dollars. Dumbass hippies do get that by disarming the good guys, it doesn't make the bad guys disarm. In fact it usualy means you get genocides like you mentioned.
I was in Serejevo in 92 and housed 2 Bosnian children in England until they were repatriated in 1996.
The peacekeeping forces and their UN high command their UN high command in particular failed to prevent the slaughter of thousands of Bosnians taking refuge in supposedly 'safe areas', specifically Srebrenica.
I was in brcko in 1998-1999 and the genocide there was stopped by american arms. The very arms you want gone. This means hundreds of thousands more dead if you had your way.
Really? there is no genocide being commited anywhere by us forces. Having just been proven wrong once, are you really so eager to be proven wrong again?
I'm not talking about US forces, I'm talking about US and UK arms companies; subsidised by US and UK taxpayers, sold to Indonesia and used there to commit genocide and to carry out widespread torture of political opposition. You have proven nothing except your willingness to jump to conclusions based on false assumptions
So you would blame the people doing the killing, you would blame the people who paid taxes in a completely different country. FYI in rawanda they did quite well WITHOUT rifles. And in fact a large number of murders are being commited by non-us or uk weapons. You really proved nothing but your ignorance of the situation.
my ignorance? I know that I don't want to be complicit in funding corrupt and barbaric regimes out of my own pocket, which is what this demonstration was about. what's your problem?
People who think that they will remain free to protest without having an army bug me because they don't know history and refuse to see reality. Without the industry you dispise, you would not be free to protest anything. If you are so concerned about the genocide in Indonesia why didn't you protest outside thier embassy?
"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes ... known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.... No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
As a number of other people here have said, there is nothing wrong with defending that which deserves defending, but forcing every taxpayer to subsidise cheap arms to barbaric regimes is worth protesting. Indeed, in both Iraq and Afganistan our troops are fighting that which we have sold them. Surely you can grasp the wrongness of that, without calling people names?
Will you be protesting knife makers next? After all in rawanda most of the deaths were from knife wounds. I will never understand idiots who refuse to understand history and how it applies to the world today. I know what you want, a disarmed world. It will never happen. Go read a history book and try to LEARN. I doubt you will.
Why are you unable to discuss something without resorting to insults? The global arms trade accounts for one of the 3 biggest global industries (oil, arms and drugs). These companies can afford to trade successfully without knowingly equipping regimes that will use their weapons to commit acts of genocide and torture
this is not about refusing to pick up weapons to defend stuff that ought to be defended...this is about weapons being manufactured so they can be sold off to someone they shouldn't be sold to for obvious reasons,the reasons they are being used for,conquest not defence.
as people under state we must make sure we oppose when our states do this,otherwise we carry responsibility as well.
Protesting is also one of the most effective means to educating the public and showing the prescense of your ideas. Therefore gaining numbers capable of doing something.
yea fuck off - ONLY THE DEAD HAVE SEEN THE END OF WAR -Plato said that, and many others have said without war, we wouldnt exist. Wat would we do without arms? throw flowers at our enemies? make them a cup of tea while they slaughter your friends and family..? Think.
As usual with these wankers the US Military and Israel are to blame. Wat a load of crap. The occupation of Afgahnistan???? Isn't that wat the Taliban are trying to do??? I'm pretty sure once Afgahnistan can stand on its own feet NATO will leave. The problem with these activists is that they want us to disarm ourselves which is a noble idea except for the fact that every nasty sob with a redical agenda is arming themselves to the teeth. Not smart to be unarmed in a world of bullies...
ginjaninja1988 3 years ago
Arms everyone should have a gun
fixdeluxe1 3 years ago
Most of the people who orginised this protest were found with weapons during police raids last year.
DancesWithTanks 3 years ago
jea but weapon is weapon! and they are made to kill an ton make sklavs! no fredoom with wappon mother fucker
Furunkel89 3 years ago
Actually weapons are neutral. Its people who use them. A pistol can be used by a policeman to protect you or by a murderer to kill you. So get some reality hippy dipshit!
17HMR 3 years ago
what youmean with "nazi Germany"? the past? ore the "what is"? because @ the moment whe have a better demokratie then you with your pseudo freedom! whou things wappons are the only solution is wrong! they are made to kill and notto save they made no fredom they make sklavs!! so wapponsfrinds fuck off!
sorry but my englisch is not so good
Furunkel89 3 years ago
Its great that these losers have the right to protest. Glad they can do so in a lawful manner. And guess what..the "defence industry" by supplying weapons has allowed them to do that. Like all dimwitted peaceniks, these folk need to read some history.
17HMR 4 years ago
you must smoke that p crap grow up and do something like get a job
ohmygoditsnate 4 years ago
What a bunch of dumbass idiots. Who do you think ensures you have the right to make total fools of yourselves? THE MILITARY.
sonofdy 4 years ago
this is not about refusing to pick up weapons to defend stuff that ought to be defended...this is about weapons being manufactured so they can be sold off to someone they shouldn't be sold to for obvious reasons,the reasons they are being used for,conquest not defence.
as people under state we must make sure we oppose when our states do this,otherwise we carry responsibility as well.
toadley 4 years ago
So when you need weapons to defend yourselves who will build them? answer, nobody if you have your way, you would be just slaughtered..
sonofdy 4 years ago
If you lived in Indonesia, for example, the weapons that the Indonesian government are using to commit genocide and to torture their own citizens are being paid for with your taxes.
globalloon 4 years ago
Yes. And the weapons used to stop the genocide in bosnia were paid for by my tax dollars. Dumbass hippies do get that by disarming the good guys, it doesn't make the bad guys disarm. In fact it usualy means you get genocides like you mentioned.
sonofdy 4 years ago
The genocide in Bosnia famously wasn't stopped.
globalloon 4 years ago
I was whyen I was there. When were you there again?
sonofdy 4 years ago
I was in Serejevo in 92 and housed 2 Bosnian children in England until they were repatriated in 1996.
The peacekeeping forces and their UN high command their UN high command in particular failed to prevent the slaughter of thousands of Bosnians taking refuge in supposedly 'safe areas', specifically Srebrenica.
globalloon 4 years ago
I was in brcko in 1998-1999 and the genocide there was stopped by american arms. The very arms you want gone. This means hundreds of thousands more dead if you had your way.
sonofdy 4 years ago
The genocide continued until the end of 1995.
globalloon 4 years ago
Your point is moot anyway. Your taxes are subsidizing arms that are currently being used to COMMIT genocide.
globalloon 4 years ago
Really? there is no genocide being commited anywhere by us forces. Having just been proven wrong once, are you really so eager to be proven wrong again?
sonofdy 4 years ago
I'm not talking about US forces, I'm talking about US and UK arms companies; subsidised by US and UK taxpayers, sold to Indonesia and used there to commit genocide and to carry out widespread torture of political opposition. You have proven nothing except your willingness to jump to conclusions based on false assumptions
globalloon 4 years ago
So you would blame the people doing the killing, you would blame the people who paid taxes in a completely different country. FYI in rawanda they did quite well WITHOUT rifles. And in fact a large number of murders are being commited by non-us or uk weapons. You really proved nothing but your ignorance of the situation.
sonofdy 4 years ago
my ignorance? I know that I don't want to be complicit in funding corrupt and barbaric regimes out of my own pocket, which is what this demonstration was about. what's your problem?
globalloon 4 years ago
People who think that they will remain free to protest without having an army bug me because they don't know history and refuse to see reality. Without the industry you dispise, you would not be free to protest anything. If you are so concerned about the genocide in Indonesia why didn't you protest outside thier embassy?
sonofdy 4 years ago
"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes ... known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.... No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
— James Madison, Political Observations, 1795
globalloon 4 years ago
And the reason he could say that was because of the revolutionary WAR. You know where the monarcy was expelled by a WAR. Try again.
sonofdy 4 years ago
you never did explain how you stopped the genocide in Bosnia in 89 that continued until 1995
globalloon 4 years ago
1998 - 1999, geeezzzz read much?
sonofdy 4 years ago
so were you in Kosovo or Bosnia?
globalloon 4 years ago
As a number of other people here have said, there is nothing wrong with defending that which deserves defending, but forcing every taxpayer to subsidise cheap arms to barbaric regimes is worth protesting. Indeed, in both Iraq and Afganistan our troops are fighting that which we have sold them. Surely you can grasp the wrongness of that, without calling people names?
globalloon 4 years ago
Clearly you are to brainwashed to see the flaws in your argument.
sonofdy 4 years ago
Clearly I'm intelligent enough to question the sale of arms to foreign governments who use them for oppressing their people.
globalloon 4 years ago
Will you be protesting knife makers next? After all in rawanda most of the deaths were from knife wounds. I will never understand idiots who refuse to understand history and how it applies to the world today. I know what you want, a disarmed world. It will never happen. Go read a history book and try to LEARN. I doubt you will.
sonofdy 4 years ago
Why are you unable to discuss something without resorting to insults? The global arms trade accounts for one of the 3 biggest global industries (oil, arms and drugs). These companies can afford to trade successfully without knowingly equipping regimes that will use their weapons to commit acts of genocide and torture
globalloon 4 years ago
Whoever will build them, we shouldn't allow people who will sell them to anyone do it, just as we shouldn't depend on them for our own defence needs.
toadley 3 years ago
Who do you think you are to dictate such things?
sonofdy 3 years ago
this is not about refusing to pick up weapons to defend stuff that ought to be defended...this is about weapons being manufactured so they can be sold off to someone they shouldn't be sold to for obvious reasons,the reasons they are being used for,conquest not defence.
as people under state we must make sure we oppose when our states do this,otherwise we carry responsibility as well.
toadley 4 years ago
protesting is pointless unless you have the numbers to do anything.
and besides, its not like NZ has WOMD...
lets be honest...
gingasavage 4 years ago
Protesting is also one of the most effective means to educating the public and showing the prescense of your ideas. Therefore gaining numbers capable of doing something.
mmgg33 4 years ago
You effectively made fools of yourselves.
sonofdy 4 years ago
But what was the REAL point of the protest REALLY?
Does NZ have weapons?
Yes.
Do we, are we, have we used them?
NO
gingasavage 3 years ago
yea fuck off - ONLY THE DEAD HAVE SEEN THE END OF WAR -Plato said that, and many others have said without war, we wouldnt exist. Wat would we do without arms? throw flowers at our enemies? make them a cup of tea while they slaughter your friends and family..? Think.
kenny95258 4 years ago
fuck off hippies
borgie69 4 years ago