Do you think Only the chip will work without the coper wire!? I tried a oyster card which dont have the coper wire. It had some kind of printed circuit. Any advice?
@arefin1988 You'll need some kind of aerial. The Oyster card has no battery; the chip gets its power from the aerial passing through the magnetic field of the reader.
Can you upload some pictures of the printed circuit? Would be nice to see it.
Maybe can try soldering a very fine copper wire onto the chip (be caerful not to cook the chip though!).
@frankcswain I thought the aerial is also intrinsic to the frequency the chip can transmit at. Therefore if you put a piece of wire of a different length, it won't be on the correct fq for the tube reader to read....I could be wrong though. I don't know enough about RFID. I really would love a working extracted chip. But they are pricey things to hack. if you mess one up, they are like £5 a time!
@frankcswain i didn't realize the typo until now, lol... do you think there be a mini version of Oyster card in future (like the mini 'Octopus Card')? the property management of our apartment uses it as a security pass for residents for entry (instead of using a passcode), I use the mini Octopus as a keychain, quite convenient... : )
@dc2010ist It's a good suggestion - I don't think there's any reason you couldn't shrink it down to that size. Apparently TfL experimented with giving their staff Oyster-implanted wristwatches but it didn't catch on.
We copied the instructions. After 1.5 hours we were able to expose the chip and aerial. Unfortunately the design has changed and there is no longer a copper wire in the card. Instead it look more like a the lines etched onto printed circuit boards. This material is extremely fragile and the acetone had caused the aerial material to snap in places. We tried it out at tube station prior to removing chips and aerial it from the card backing. Unfortunately it no longer functioned.
@cobaltnews Thanks, that's really interesting. I'll have to pick up a card next time I'm in London and check it out for myself. I think one of the earliest Oyster hackers (Chris Woebken?) soldered aerial back to the chip after it came off - so if you can find some suitable wire, you might be able to add your own aerial?
@geow9 Unlikely, I think Oyster cards use MiFARE chips which are quite difficult to clone. (I looked into cloning my chip because I wanted to get it onto an implantable RFID like what they put in dogs)
With money or paper bus tickets they can't track where you go, but with RFID technology it is possible to have the info stored on computers as to where each card has been used and to establish a pattern of movement. This allows them to track service to see at which locations and which times are most popular and adjust their service accordingly, It also makes tracking people easier.
@djshade806 Haha, no, it's a travel card you use to ride on the London Tube and busses. The RFID chip works like the magnetic strip on NYC's Metro cards, letting you through the turnstile if you have enough money for the fare.
how can implant the chip into my iphone？
hotxwei 2 months ago
it worked i put it on my watch thanks
honestthomas500 7 months ago
Hi, the reader is able to read the card through my wallet but would it be able to read it say if I put the chip in the back of my watch? Thanks
v390 8 months ago
@v390 Not sure - the metal of the watch might interfere, I'd seal the chip and antenna inside some Sellotape. Only one way to find out!
frankcswain 8 months ago
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v390 8 months ago
i did it with the new oyster card, put it in my watch and it works like a charm :D thanks man
xyzgogo7 9 months ago
@xyzgogo7 Really? What type of chip / antenna was inside? Do you have pics? Show us!
frankcswain 8 months ago
Do you think Only the chip will work without the coper wire!? I tried a oyster card which dont have the coper wire. It had some kind of printed circuit. Any advice?
arefin1988 9 months ago
@arefin1988 You'll need some kind of aerial. The Oyster card has no battery; the chip gets its power from the aerial passing through the magnetic field of the reader.
Can you upload some pictures of the printed circuit? Would be nice to see it.
Maybe can try soldering a very fine copper wire onto the chip (be caerful not to cook the chip though!).
frankcswain 9 months ago
@frankcswain If the aerial is only for power, would it be possible to actually provide it with a power source? Removes the need to have a coil?
Semajal 8 months ago
@Semajal Wow! That's a REALLY good question. I will ask my Twitter nerds.
frankcswain 8 months ago
@frankcswain I thought the aerial is also intrinsic to the frequency the chip can transmit at. Therefore if you put a piece of wire of a different length, it won't be on the correct fq for the tube reader to read....I could be wrong though. I don't know enough about RFID. I really would love a working extracted chip. But they are pricey things to hack. if you mess one up, they are like £5 a time!
clodester 3 months ago
@clodester Nah , the afaik the arial just generates power for the chip.
Secondsnow 2 months ago
@Secondsnow but it has to be long enough to induce an electrical charge from the transmitter so that the chip actually gets power.
clodester 2 months ago
why the ceiling is so slow?
dc2010ist 9 months ago
@dc2010ist ? Hahah. It's normal height! Perhaps it's a perspective thing.
frankcswain 9 months ago
@frankcswain i didn't realize the typo until now, lol... do you think there be a mini version of Oyster card in future (like the mini 'Octopus Card')? the property management of our apartment uses it as a security pass for residents for entry (instead of using a passcode), I use the mini Octopus as a keychain, quite convenient... : )
dc2010ist 9 months ago
@dc2010ist It's a good suggestion - I don't think there's any reason you couldn't shrink it down to that size. Apparently TfL experimented with giving their staff Oyster-implanted wristwatches but it didn't catch on.
frankcswain 9 months ago
We copied the instructions. After 1.5 hours we were able to expose the chip and aerial. Unfortunately the design has changed and there is no longer a copper wire in the card. Instead it look more like a the lines etched onto printed circuit boards. This material is extremely fragile and the acetone had caused the aerial material to snap in places. We tried it out at tube station prior to removing chips and aerial it from the card backing. Unfortunately it no longer functioned.
cobaltnews 10 months ago
@cobaltnews Thanks, that's really interesting. I'll have to pick up a card next time I'm in London and check it out for myself. I think one of the earliest Oyster hackers (Chris Woebken?) soldered aerial back to the chip after it came off - so if you can find some suitable wire, you might be able to add your own aerial?
frankcswain 10 months ago
Test.
cobaltnews 10 months ago
Can you just use a Swatch Snowpass RFID capable watch to use as an oyster card?
geow9 1 year ago
@geow9 Unlikely, I think Oyster cards use MiFARE chips which are quite difficult to clone. (I looked into cloning my chip because I wanted to get it onto an implantable RFID like what they put in dogs)
frankcswain 1 year ago
would you be able to place a RFID on a ring or in a watch without having an interference from the medal?
Eleskimo88 1 year ago
@Eleskimo88 Good question - I don't know (some people thought the metal in the back of an iPhone would prevent you embedding it in there).
I don't live in London anymore so I can't experiment on the cards, sorry!
frankcswain 1 year ago
would you be able to place a RFID on a ring or in a watch without having an interferance from the medal?
Eleskimo88 1 year ago
can one still use the Oystercard once the RFID chip, is it possible to travel with it?
grifrin 1 year ago
I've bought a sonic screwdriver for mine :) Just need to dismantle the screwdriver now!
tomcroll 1 year ago
In a banana, looool.
SausageJavelins 1 year ago
Epic card hack
8^)
SuperBrobot 1 year ago
Magic wand, that's a great one!
namchild 1 year ago
With money or paper bus tickets they can't track where you go, but with RFID technology it is possible to have the info stored on computers as to where each card has been used and to establish a pattern of movement. This allows them to track service to see at which locations and which times are most popular and adjust their service accordingly, It also makes tracking people easier.
Yoshin9 1 year ago
WTF is an oyster card?? this the new way of currency for london ??
djshade806 1 year ago
@djshade806 Haha, no, it's a travel card you use to ride on the London Tube and busses. The RFID chip works like the magnetic strip on NYC's Metro cards, letting you through the turnstile if you have enough money for the fare.
frankcswain 1 year ago