what orange amp variant used on the electric sponnagel piano. quite strange I saw a sponnagel at a thrift shop while back got an optigan recently. 25 usd. from an antique shop.
though it might of been island from the self titled first renisance. as it was also titled 'inocences and illusions'' though I have the line cd which calls it renisances first , and in the begining prologue and ashes are burning 72 double album harvest emi, long with turn of the cards and along with carnigie hall live.
didn't jane sing inocence. live or studio. heard that versions years ago. might of been in a record shop. some guy was playing. latter , think I also heard. it on yahoo radio
I saw Renaissance in Chicago at the Auditorium Theater, 3rd row center. They were on the bill with Cold Blood. Jane Relf lost her voice on the second song and Keith did all the singing. They were tremendous. Left in the middle of Cold Blood's set. Boring! No comparison. Came to see Renaissance. Not disappointed. Will always remember the feeling they generated that night. Still listen to my vinyl of them.
Keith's band after Renaissance was also incredible. I mean really good, one of the greatest unknown supergroups of the 70s... Armageddon. Search "Armageddon - Silver Tightrope" and prepare to be blown away! Armageddon: Keith Relf - vocals, harmonica (The Yardbirds, Renaissance) Martin Pugh - guitar (Rod Stewart, Steamhammer) Louis Cennamo - bass, bowed bass (Renaissance, Steamhammer) Bobby Caldwell - drums, percussion (Johnny Winter, Captain Beyond) And thanks for this!
Gee, what an unexpected treat to see this early version of Renaissance! I didn't know Keith could play guitar like that. Nor that Jane was so beautiful.
Does anybody know why this version of Renaissance quit so early, signing away their name to that "other" band?
I only discovered this version of Kings and Queens some half hour ago; I have played it now three times. The album version has been one of my favourite tracks of all time for some 20 years, but this, this is really breathtaking... pure genius, the sound, the vision, it sends shivers down my spine. Thank you very, very much of uploading.
I had see this incredible band in 69-70 at the Electric Circus (Lausanne) Switzerland - What a surprise to hear them again on the tube (RIP Keith Relf)
Jim (I guess you're Jim, if you uploaded this and you handle is 'JimMcCartyandCo'!) -- Fantastic stuff! Any more info on the context?, i.e. was this a 'live in-studio' performance filmed for some future use? Also, what do you mean by 'still not complete'? I hope there's more like this 'in the vault' still to come.
@progfan10 It was a live show for the German Beat Club TV programme, and I believe there's the full version of Kings & Queens (11:40) still around somewhere... but apart from that, I don't remember much about this, sorry! ;-)
@JimMcCartyandCo Are you really Jim?? if you are, i must say like the guitarist i am, that for me the less important thing in the band were the lead guitarists, i love the yardbirds not beacuse jimmy page was there, i love the cause i love your druming i love keith relf s singing and playing in harp,
a question: ¿ what guitars did keith relf played when he played ?
@JimMcCartyandCo I Love Renaissance since I discovered THEM In ´91 ; Just Love THIS Song; I AM Trying to do a Mixture off This and Ennio Morricone(once Upon in America), But Stíll Struggling; PROGRESSIVE ROCK RULES!!!
My goodness... the band were absolutely on fire here! Superlatives cannot really do this performance justice, but I'll have a go: Firstly, fantastic virtuoso musicianship, great balance, subtlety, dynamics... this song's got it all - and delivered with such panache, it's just wonderful! A live progressive-rock gem, suitably encapsulated to blow the minds of generations to come!!
This is the second half of what was The Yardbirds.The other half became Led Zeppelin.This is the same band that went on to become singer Haslem and composer Dunford fame.This was one of the earliest prog bands and it's nice to hear this early attempt at approaching rock music with a classical style.This is a major part of rock history.Like the caption said,it has been cut way short unfortunately but thanks for posting this JimMcCartyandCo..I wonder if this is THE Jim McCarty who posted this?
@rematpac Yes, you could say it's THE Jim! Though it's his "little helper" doing all the job, but he does come and visit his YT channel some of the time!... ;-)
@JimMcCartyandCo Thanks for letting me know.That is exciting to me as Renaissance's music has been a big part of my life.I'm really starting to get extremely interested in the original line up now that I have exhausted myself listening to everything in the Annie Haslem line up so thoroughly.The original line up was not only way ahead of their time,even now finally getting the appreciation it deserves all these years later around the world,but historically it's importance can never be understated
@sonor23 AND WITH NO LEAD GUITARIST,the group became split.Renaissance never to this day,and still performing even today ,never did recruit a lead guitarist but carried on to musically trump Zep by leaps and bounds even though they were never as popular with all the teeny bops.I checked your website sonor23 as I do most people's.I've only come across 3 real trolls so far and I'm not accussing you of being one,but your site has so much in common with the other 3 it's uncanny.Forgive if mistaken!
@sonor23 And what about Peter Grant's(Zep's producer)involvement with The Yardbirds just before Page split?And what about several of the same songs on The Yardbird's last album that was pulled at Page's request appearring later on Zep's 1st album,and I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON! Do your research first if you don't want to be accused of being a POSSIBLE troll.
@sonor23 I like your answers and apologize for accussing you of being a troll,BUT YOUR STILL WRONG BUDDY!Were you there when they split?How do you know who was planning to replace who or already did?Most people think The Yardbirds became Zep straight up-and that's a fact.Ask people if you don't believe me.The fact that Peter Grant was managing YB's means nothing?Or that they used the same original songs at the split means nothing?The split started with Beck leaving Page to all the guitar work
@sonor23 Then Relf and McCARTY left soon after,but The YB's pushed on.WhO REPLACED THOSE VALUABLE MEMBERS?SOMEONE OBVIOUSLY HAD TOO!! PAGE THEN CHANGED THE NAME OF THE GROUP TO LED ZEPPELIN!Are you going to be a good loser and admit your wrong?
@sonor23 Relf and McCarty,original Yardbird members from day one,formed the group Renaissance,recruiting his sister Jane Relf for vocals who was replaced by the famous singer Annie Haslem in1972.Page took what was left of The Yardbirds and renamed them Led Zeppelin.Since it's a historical fact that Zep has never had a member change in it's entire existense,it's safe to assume the members were all in place now isn't it?Especially since the last YB's played Zep tunes!!!!!!!
@rematpac well lets see, in order to get half of four, I think you'd need two, Jimmy Page was the only member of zeppelin that came from the Yardbirds, and since that is one out of four and not two out of four I believe that makes a quarter and not a half of the yardbirds, a quarter of the Yardbirds formed Zeppelin.
@Adamboms WRONG.the final Yardbirds were all together when Page changed the name to Led Zeppelin,ALL 4 OF THEM.And even before that John Paul Jones was a Yardbird along with Page after Paul Samwell-Smith left.THEN Relf and McCarty split to form Renaissance.The 2nd to last Yardbirds even recorded an album that was quickly pulled from the record shelves at Page's request and has never been officially released.The last Yardbirds changed their name to The New Yardbirds which was renamed Led Zeppelin
@rematpac thats not true Relf and Mcarthy left before page recruited John Paul Jones, after J.ones was recruited he got Robert Plant who then suggested Bonham for drums, they used the Yardbirds name for a short time but changed it after Page recieved a cease and desist order from Chris Dreja who claimed to still have the rights to the band name. all they did with the yardbirds name was a short Scandanavian tour and released no material and changed the name after the C&D order came.
@rematpac afterwards that album you talked about was a Yardbirds live album, and no one from Led Zeppelin except Page was on it, Chris Dreja was the bass player for that not Jones. They did start to work on one album with the Yardbirds name but it became the first Zeppelin album instead
@Adamboms O.K.,Well it sounds like you know more about it than I do,so now we both know that The New Yardbird's changed their name to Led Zeppelin before they toured or released an album.
@rematpac actually I just found out that jones did appear on single or two as a session musician in 66 when Page and Beck were both in the band, but I think that was it.
@Adamboms He was the 1st one to be involved with The Yardbirds from Zep after Page from what I've read. I'm glad I know most of the other details now,but the only thing I can't figure out is why there would be a rights dispute over The Yardbirds name when as far as I know nobody tried to use it until years later in 1984 for a Yardbirds reunion(without Relf who was electrocuted by his guitar in 1976).Relf and McCarty started a band called Together but soon changed their name to Renaissance.
36views...I must say it's throwing me in a deep void...a bit...I'm sure this music I heard when i was an embryo tho' I clearly remember ELVIS at that stage too...and tecknically I was born when RENAISSANCE played...The visuals are absolutely incredible and musically speaking I find this multi-dimensional...if not completely outstanding !! Viele danke...thanks for the upload
what orange amp variant used on the electric sponnagel piano. quite strange I saw a sponnagel at a thrift shop while back got an optigan recently. 25 usd. from an antique shop.
cuseofmuncubis 6 days ago
bellissimo ho ancora lp originale
severus1001 2 weeks ago
thank you
vtripaldi 3 weeks ago
damn good for rare studio material love renaisance and the yardbirds.
cuseofmuncubis 1 month ago
though it might of been island from the self titled first renisance. as it was also titled 'inocences and illusions'' though I have the line cd which calls it renisances first , and in the begining prologue and ashes are burning 72 double album harvest emi, long with turn of the cards and along with carnigie hall live.
cuseofmuncubis 1 month ago
didn't jane sing inocence. live or studio. heard that versions years ago. might of been in a record shop. some guy was playing. latter , think I also heard. it on yahoo radio
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Vox572X 1 month ago
Thanks for this, Jim and helper. Jim, you are a fantastic drummer! (but you already knew that).
bethany3844 2 months ago
@bethany3844 No, he didn't! He's far too modest for that! ;-)
JimMcCartyandCo 2 months ago
amazing quality, great to see this line up!
whiskeynale69 3 months ago
Do you have video with keith relf ?:O
maxime324 3 months ago
very nice band <3 keith relf for the win !
maxime324 3 months ago
I can't believe the excellent quality of this video, as it is so old. Makes me appreciate the original "Relf" Renaissance even more!
carvcom1 4 months ago
I saw Renaissance in Chicago at the Auditorium Theater, 3rd row center. They were on the bill with Cold Blood. Jane Relf lost her voice on the second song and Keith did all the singing. They were tremendous. Left in the middle of Cold Blood's set. Boring! No comparison. Came to see Renaissance. Not disappointed. Will always remember the feeling they generated that night. Still listen to my vinyl of them.
roger91350 4 months ago
I do hear shades of The YB's here.... but slight.... love this band!
burningredsun 4 months ago
clayopalstar 4 months ago
This version is really enjoyable!! Love it utmost!!!!
68generation 5 months ago
Gee, what an unexpected treat to see this early version of Renaissance! I didn't know Keith could play guitar like that. Nor that Jane was so beautiful.
Does anybody know why this version of Renaissance quit so early, signing away their name to that "other" band?
fabrikk60 7 months ago
Keith Relf, un des plus GRANDS!!!!! Cette version de Kings & Queens est fantastic!!!
PRAUTHOY 7 months ago
Fantastic!
susantyrellfans 8 months ago
Timeless and so refreshing.
somalucy 9 months ago
I only discovered this version of Kings and Queens some half hour ago; I have played it now three times. The album version has been one of my favourite tracks of all time for some 20 years, but this, this is really breathtaking... pure genius, the sound, the vision, it sends shivers down my spine. Thank you very, very much of uploading.
Atticwalk 9 months ago
I saw them at an all night concert at the lyceum with this line up, with yes the nice and peter hammill also playing.
puddypuss 9 months ago
Wow...so good...one of my 3 favorite album...
dansimsss 9 months ago
I had see this incredible band in 69-70 at the Electric Circus (Lausanne) Switzerland - What a surprise to hear them again on the tube (RIP Keith Relf)
gaianaful1 10 months ago
Brilliant and so spacey !
vintagezigg 10 months ago
@vintagezigg Class!
seanreillyireland 10 months ago
Jim--I loved working the US tour with you!
Bob Z
1046rzac 10 months ago
Jim (I guess you're Jim, if you uploaded this and you handle is 'JimMcCartyandCo'!) -- Fantastic stuff! Any more info on the context?, i.e. was this a 'live in-studio' performance filmed for some future use? Also, what do you mean by 'still not complete'? I hope there's more like this 'in the vault' still to come.
progfan10 11 months ago
@progfan10 It was a live show for the German Beat Club TV programme, and I believe there's the full version of Kings & Queens (11:40) still around somewhere... but apart from that, I don't remember much about this, sorry! ;-)
JimMcCartyandCo 11 months ago
@JimMcCartyandCo Are you really Jim?? if you are, i must say like the guitarist i am, that for me the less important thing in the band were the lead guitarists, i love the yardbirds not beacuse jimmy page was there, i love the cause i love your druming i love keith relf s singing and playing in harp,
a question: ¿ what guitars did keith relf played when he played ?
alejandrosuckmy 10 months ago
@alejandrosuckmy Thanks for that - I think Keith played a Gibson, but don`t know the model.
JimMcCartyandCo 10 months ago
@JimMcCartyandCo I Love Renaissance since I discovered THEM In ´91 ; Just Love THIS Song; I AM Trying to do a Mixture off This and Ennio Morricone(once Upon in America), But Stíll Struggling; PROGRESSIVE ROCK RULES!!!
bombom52 7 months ago
My goodness... the band were absolutely on fire here! Superlatives cannot really do this performance justice, but I'll have a go: Firstly, fantastic virtuoso musicianship, great balance, subtlety, dynamics... this song's got it all - and delivered with such panache, it's just wonderful! A live progressive-rock gem, suitably encapsulated to blow the minds of generations to come!!
ronsprog1 11 months ago
Luis Cennamo, one of my favourite '70 bass player looks like Riccardo Cocciante or Ronnie James Dio...
nazzare79 11 months ago
The real Renaissance band...really awsome!!
centswan 1 year ago
Brilliant song. I love it!
12stringedYardbird 1 year ago
This is really cool Jim!
WC3POchannel10A 1 year ago
This is the second half of what was The Yardbirds.The other half became Led Zeppelin.This is the same band that went on to become singer Haslem and composer Dunford fame.This was one of the earliest prog bands and it's nice to hear this early attempt at approaching rock music with a classical style.This is a major part of rock history.Like the caption said,it has been cut way short unfortunately but thanks for posting this JimMcCartyandCo..I wonder if this is THE Jim McCarty who posted this?
rematpac 1 year ago
@rematpac Yes, you could say it's THE Jim! Though it's his "little helper" doing all the job, but he does come and visit his YT channel some of the time!... ;-)
JimMcCartyandCo 1 year ago 2
@JimMcCartyandCo Thanks for letting me know.That is exciting to me as Renaissance's music has been a big part of my life.I'm really starting to get extremely interested in the original line up now that I have exhausted myself listening to everything in the Annie Haslem line up so thoroughly.The original line up was not only way ahead of their time,even now finally getting the appreciation it deserves all these years later around the world,but historically it's importance can never be understated
rematpac 1 year ago
@rematpac No , the other half did not become Led Zeppelin . Only Jimmy Page played in THE YARDBIRDS .
sonor23 1 year ago
@sonor23 But did not Page,The Yardbird's guitarist,breakaway from them to form his own group Led Zeppelin?
rematpac 1 year ago
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@sonor23 Do better research.No insult intended,but you told me nothihg that I already knew decades ago.
rematpac 1 year ago
@rematpac You said this 3 months ago in your initial post :
" This is the second half of what was The Yardbirds.The other half became Led Zeppelin. "
Yes , Page left The Yardbirds to start LZ - everybody knows that . One person doth not make a HALF of a4 piece band . That's all I was pointing out .
So , anybody who attempts to clear up one of your messages is a troll ? You have thin skin my friend .
sonor23 1 year ago
@sonor23 AND WITH NO LEAD GUITARIST,the group became split.Renaissance never to this day,and still performing even today ,never did recruit a lead guitarist but carried on to musically trump Zep by leaps and bounds even though they were never as popular with all the teeny bops.I checked your website sonor23 as I do most people's.I've only come across 3 real trolls so far and I'm not accussing you of being one,but your site has so much in common with the other 3 it's uncanny.Forgive if mistaken!
rematpac 1 year ago
@rematpac You are mistaken , and I resent your suggesting that I am a troll .
sonor23 1 year ago
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@sonor23 And what about Peter Grant's(Zep's producer)involvement with The Yardbirds just before Page split?And what about several of the same songs on The Yardbird's last album that was pulled at Page's request appearring later on Zep's 1st album,and I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON! Do your research first if you don't want to be accused of being a POSSIBLE troll.
rematpac 1 year ago
@rematpac So what . HALF OF THE YARDBIRDS DID NOT BECOME LED ZEPPELIN ! Get it ????????
sonor23 1 year ago
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@sonor23 I like your answers and apologize for accussing you of being a troll,BUT YOUR STILL WRONG BUDDY!Were you there when they split?How do you know who was planning to replace who or already did?Most people think The Yardbirds became Zep straight up-and that's a fact.Ask people if you don't believe me.The fact that Peter Grant was managing YB's means nothing?Or that they used the same original songs at the split means nothing?The split started with Beck leaving Page to all the guitar work
rematpac 1 year ago
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@sonor23 Then Relf and McCARTY left soon after,but The YB's pushed on.WhO REPLACED THOSE VALUABLE MEMBERS?SOMEONE OBVIOUSLY HAD TOO!! PAGE THEN CHANGED THE NAME OF THE GROUP TO LED ZEPPELIN!Are you going to be a good loser and admit your wrong?
rematpac 1 year ago
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@sonor23 Relf and McCarty,original Yardbird members from day one,formed the group Renaissance,recruiting his sister Jane Relf for vocals who was replaced by the famous singer Annie Haslem in1972.Page took what was left of The Yardbirds and renamed them Led Zeppelin.Since it's a historical fact that Zep has never had a member change in it's entire existense,it's safe to assume the members were all in place now isn't it?Especially since the last YB's played Zep tunes!!!!!!!
rematpac 1 year ago
@rematpac well lets see, in order to get half of four, I think you'd need two, Jimmy Page was the only member of zeppelin that came from the Yardbirds, and since that is one out of four and not two out of four I believe that makes a quarter and not a half of the yardbirds, a quarter of the Yardbirds formed Zeppelin.
Adamboms 1 year ago
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@Adamboms WRONG.the final Yardbirds were all together when Page changed the name to Led Zeppelin,ALL 4 OF THEM.And even before that John Paul Jones was a Yardbird along with Page after Paul Samwell-Smith left.THEN Relf and McCarty split to form Renaissance.The 2nd to last Yardbirds even recorded an album that was quickly pulled from the record shelves at Page's request and has never been officially released.The last Yardbirds changed their name to The New Yardbirds which was renamed Led Zeppelin
rematpac 1 year ago
@rematpac thats not true Relf and Mcarthy left before page recruited John Paul Jones, after J.ones was recruited he got Robert Plant who then suggested Bonham for drums, they used the Yardbirds name for a short time but changed it after Page recieved a cease and desist order from Chris Dreja who claimed to still have the rights to the band name. all they did with the yardbirds name was a short Scandanavian tour and released no material and changed the name after the C&D order came.
Adamboms 1 year ago
@rematpac afterwards that album you talked about was a Yardbirds live album, and no one from Led Zeppelin except Page was on it, Chris Dreja was the bass player for that not Jones. They did start to work on one album with the Yardbirds name but it became the first Zeppelin album instead
Adamboms 1 year ago
@Adamboms O.K.,Well it sounds like you know more about it than I do,so now we both know that The New Yardbird's changed their name to Led Zeppelin before they toured or released an album.
rematpac 1 year ago
@rematpac Well alright! thanks for the intelligent discussion.
Adamboms 1 year ago
@rematpac actually I just found out that jones did appear on single or two as a session musician in 66 when Page and Beck were both in the band, but I think that was it.
Adamboms 1 year ago
@Adamboms He was the 1st one to be involved with The Yardbirds from Zep after Page from what I've read. I'm glad I know most of the other details now,but the only thing I can't figure out is why there would be a rights dispute over The Yardbirds name when as far as I know nobody tried to use it until years later in 1984 for a Yardbirds reunion(without Relf who was electrocuted by his guitar in 1976).Relf and McCarty started a band called Together but soon changed their name to Renaissance.
rematpac 1 year ago
Does anybody have the studio version of this song that they can upload?
DangerousPowerDeity 1 year ago
Wow Just AWESOME!!!!
666UFO666 1 year ago
I'm glad I found these guys! Great stuff.
mellotron12 1 year ago
OMG!!!!!!!
....i can die now....
bnine 1 year ago
Excellent!! Amazing! Best quality
rialcnis 1 year ago
man I love "Kings and Queens".....brilliant.....
HistoryofTek 1 year ago
a most excellent video. They keep getting better and better:)
Sylphqueen1968 1 year ago
Excellent!!!!
beamenders69 1 year ago
Excellent!!!!
beamenders69 1 year ago
Excellent!!!!
beamenders69 1 year ago
i love this song
rafferty246 1 year ago
Royal treat , Mumrik ! ( :
Hemulen40 1 year ago
Royal treat , Mumrik ! ( :
Hemulen40 1 year ago
Amazing quality,staggering job Marie.
yardbirdmackay 1 year ago
Wow this is great quality video, love this, thanks for putting it up Marie...Keith was getting better and better looking too...
68generation 1 year ago
36views...I must say it's throwing me in a deep void...a bit...I'm sure this music I heard when i was an embryo tho' I clearly remember ELVIS at that stage too...and tecknically I was born when RENAISSANCE played...The visuals are absolutely incredible and musically speaking I find this multi-dimensional...if not completely outstanding !! Viele danke...thanks for the upload
PoireauMan68 1 year ago
great job marie..i'll have to check to see if i've got this slightly extended version...
losyardbirds 1 year ago
This is so full of energy,Impact,It knocks me out. Best version to date I think. betty
BettyNewsinger 1 year ago