Just saw Return To Forever 2011. Clarke still has it! Lenny White was not featured at all, ever. Gambale was great, but it was Dimeola I saw in the mid 70's with RTF.
They don't get played on the radio, but the theater was full. That don't happen much anymore.
No one wants to really play these days. :( I'm a young musician, and I woud love to make something crazy like this. No one my age has even heard of Return to Forever. It seems like young musicians now only want to make something cliche of a genre.
@theavantgardefunker, man honestly, this sound would just fall on the way-side... I am in that younger generation that you speak of and this type of music runs through my veins... Music isn't or shouldn't be about the glitz and glamor, but the direction music has taken over the past few years, if an RTF-like band were to come out and sound like this, there would be a small "Indie" following you know what I mean... But damn this is one of the funkiest damn jams I have ever heard, thanks 4 post
Hey ThingPlate, thanks for the response. Everytime I listen to this MasterPiece, I seem to get "hypnotized" by a different part of the song. For instance, if you listen to the drums right after DiMeola's last guitar solo, at app. 2:37 - 2:45, it seems to "draw me in" and mesmerize me. I looped that part of the song and listened to over and over again. I know that sounds strange, but still it's some of the funkiest drumming I've ever heard!
Always loved this tune. Ticks me off that I never got my disc back from a band I was producing that I lent it to. During the parts that it quickly flickers between the 4 member's photos, my imagination wants to tell me that each of the various photos correlates with a different one of the reoccurring syncopations amongst the flurry of sounds. Hehe... Or is this what the video's ACTUALLY doing!? Whoa, trippy, man!!
Many thanks to "Theavantgardefunder", and "Tanner9862"
I know that musicians have to eat, pay the bills and all that stuff, but how about some of you young and upcoming guys take a page out of the R.T.F. song book and put a band like this together? Forget the usual sampling with a rap on top of it, and just Play. I'll be the first in line to buy the CD :)~
No prob GP...one of very few young groups I can think of that can come close to this is The Roots...even though I don't think that they can get this crazy with the instruments!!! And I might be wrong...hoonose?
@theavantgardefunker The Roots ain't got sh*t on RTF!!! They are hip hop for one. Not in a million years would they ever have the musicianship of RTF. There isn't anyone in today's music that can touch this. Musicians today don't have the soul or feel, let alone the heart. The only band that I can think of that could pull off this caliber of musicianship and improvisation would be Phish. To much sampling and not enough musicality today. Kids need to study instead of following image and trends.
@ursusaltered calm down...it will be okay. People are entitled to their opinion. I've heard of Phish here and there but haven't really heard anything over the top about them....I've been listening to the Roots for YEARS. I don't understand where you get that they have no heart nor soul...but hey you are entitled to YOUR opinion. MANY artists fail to study improv anymore regardless of their "genre". Please do "study" up on the Roots - you might find out that they do play more than hip-hop.
@GPofLB I would say that it's a bunch the funkiest noise you'll ever hear! Gotta love Mr.White. i honestly haven't found any bands lately that make THIS type of music,but a few years ago I remember questlove and some other dudes (other than the roots) came up with a band similar to do some real experimental album. I remember listening to the album but I never got it for whatever unknown reason. That's the last time I heard anything remotely close to RTF...I'm a bit confused though on the "one"?
@theavantgardefunker --What is meant by "one" is -- the start of the 'count' to have nearly any (or any) song (instrumental or vocal) make 'sense'.
Sometimes when Mr. White is playing, he is playing 'in and around' the 'one' [for those parts -- the bass and keyboards are supplying the 'one' (or some may call it the 'glue' that keeps things together).
Around 2:50 the bass is playing on the 'one' [keeping things together] while drums are doing all manner of things -- not on the 'one'
To GPofLB: Funky? It's Hyper-Nasty. The confusing yet infectious groove that you mention is based on a very strong, very unusual syncopation, which can throw the listener completely off. But, perhaps incredibly, a standard 4/4 meter (i.e., even time) accommodates this piece from start to finish, and what's more, the track opens right on the "beat one" you were looking for! As for your last question, I'm afraid that the group, particularly that version of it, is singular and inimitable.
@PowderSpirit3 NO prob at all sis! I thought of doing something a lil ineteresting with the video instead of the usual boring slideshow... Glad you dig! Keep listening many more to come!
Just saw Return To Forever 2011. Clarke still has it! Lenny White was not featured at all, ever. Gambale was great, but it was Dimeola I saw in the mid 70's with RTF.
They don't get played on the radio, but the theater was full. That don't happen much anymore.
billytheweasel 5 months ago
In like a weird way. If you listen to the first five seconds it sounds like the song "Intergalactic" by the Beastie Boys
distortionpf 9 months ago
No one wants to really play these days. :( I'm a young musician, and I woud love to make something crazy like this. No one my age has even heard of Return to Forever. It seems like young musicians now only want to make something cliche of a genre.
Musicdudeyoutub 10 months ago
Al D is baddass.
noodlam 1 year ago 2
@theavantgardefunker, man honestly, this sound would just fall on the way-side... I am in that younger generation that you speak of and this type of music runs through my veins... Music isn't or shouldn't be about the glitz and glamor, but the direction music has taken over the past few years, if an RTF-like band were to come out and sound like this, there would be a small "Indie" following you know what I mean... But damn this is one of the funkiest damn jams I have ever heard, thanks 4 post
Urology707 1 year ago
Hey ThingPlate, thanks for the response. Everytime I listen to this MasterPiece, I seem to get "hypnotized" by a different part of the song. For instance, if you listen to the drums right after DiMeola's last guitar solo, at app. 2:37 - 2:45, it seems to "draw me in" and mesmerize me. I looped that part of the song and listened to over and over again. I know that sounds strange, but still it's some of the funkiest drumming I've ever heard!
GPofLB 1 year ago
Always loved this tune. Ticks me off that I never got my disc back from a band I was producing that I lent it to. During the parts that it quickly flickers between the 4 member's photos, my imagination wants to tell me that each of the various photos correlates with a different one of the reoccurring syncopations amongst the flurry of sounds. Hehe... Or is this what the video's ACTUALLY doing!? Whoa, trippy, man!!
Cr8Tron 1 year ago
I'm Solid Gone! Mmmmm.... :)
SoopSoopa 1 year ago
oh now i know how eric b used this for the intro to move the crowd
antsorter 1 year ago
@antsorter What part of the video did Eric B sample?
spongebobfan879 1 year ago
this is a jewel! an incredible album!
tornmask 1 year ago
Many thanks to "Theavantgardefunder", and "Tanner9862"
I know that musicians have to eat, pay the bills and all that stuff, but how about some of you young and upcoming guys take a page out of the R.T.F. song book and put a band like this together? Forget the usual sampling with a rap on top of it, and just Play. I'll be the first in line to buy the CD :)~
GPofLB 1 year ago 2
No prob GP...one of very few young groups I can think of that can come close to this is The Roots...even though I don't think that they can get this crazy with the instruments!!! And I might be wrong...hoonose?
theavantgardefunker 1 year ago
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ursusaltered 1 year ago
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ursusaltered 1 year ago
@theavantgardefunker The Roots ain't got sh*t on RTF!!! They are hip hop for one. Not in a million years would they ever have the musicianship of RTF. There isn't anyone in today's music that can touch this. Musicians today don't have the soul or feel, let alone the heart. The only band that I can think of that could pull off this caliber of musicianship and improvisation would be Phish. To much sampling and not enough musicality today. Kids need to study instead of following image and trends.
ursusaltered 1 year ago
@ursusaltered calm down...it will be okay. People are entitled to their opinion. I've heard of Phish here and there but haven't really heard anything over the top about them....I've been listening to the Roots for YEARS. I don't understand where you get that they have no heart nor soul...but hey you are entitled to YOUR opinion. MANY artists fail to study improv anymore regardless of their "genre". Please do "study" up on the Roots - you might find out that they do play more than hip-hop.
theavantgardefunker 1 year ago
@GPofLB i dig on your out look i feel the same--just fuckin play the instrument
thingplate 1 year ago
@GPofLB But that would actually require some effort.
aWorldCitizen9 8 months ago
This song is either the Funkiest thing I've ever heard, or it's just a bunch of noise. Please help me decide.
I could figure it out myself, but Lenny White is confusing me with that Dope Ass Drum Beat!!! :)~ (I Love it)
By the way, where the hell is "one"?
Are there any bands out there still playing this type of music?
GPofLB 2 years ago 2
@GPofLB I would say that it's a bunch the funkiest noise you'll ever hear! Gotta love Mr.White. i honestly haven't found any bands lately that make THIS type of music,but a few years ago I remember questlove and some other dudes (other than the roots) came up with a band similar to do some real experimental album. I remember listening to the album but I never got it for whatever unknown reason. That's the last time I heard anything remotely close to RTF...I'm a bit confused though on the "one"?
theavantgardefunker 2 years ago
@theavantgardefunker --What is meant by "one" is -- the start of the 'count' to have nearly any (or any) song (instrumental or vocal) make 'sense'.
Sometimes when Mr. White is playing, he is playing 'in and around' the 'one' [for those parts -- the bass and keyboards are supplying the 'one' (or some may call it the 'glue' that keeps things together).
Around 2:50 the bass is playing on the 'one' [keeping things together] while drums are doing all manner of things -- not on the 'one'
reshea1950 5 months ago
To GPofLB: Funky? It's Hyper-Nasty. The confusing yet infectious groove that you mention is based on a very strong, very unusual syncopation, which can throw the listener completely off. But, perhaps incredibly, a standard 4/4 meter (i.e., even time) accommodates this piece from start to finish, and what's more, the track opens right on the "beat one" you were looking for! As for your last question, I'm afraid that the group, particularly that version of it, is singular and inimitable.
tanner9862 1 year ago
Hey now Sis! Thanx 4 keepin the Jazzy Funk alive N' kickin! This was the jazzy-fonkay- tightness! Gotta drop in more often, yeah! :-)
SoulByDzyne 2 years ago
@SoulByDzyne alright now...I surely keep the funk stanking the room up!
theavantgardefunker 2 years ago
gr8t share !!
wowWOWwow !! thankYOU
PowderSpirit3 2 years ago
i was soooooo into this i forgot to mention the AWESOME visuals !!
PowderSpirit3 2 years ago
@PowderSpirit3 NO prob at all sis! I thought of doing something a lil ineteresting with the video instead of the usual boring slideshow... Glad you dig! Keep listening many more to come!
theavantgardefunker 2 years ago