KO is desperately trying to win an emmy to save his piece of crap show. And what better way to do it than tugging at the heart strings of the poor picked on gay community. "This is about the human heart", eeeasy stomach. KO's phony baloney delivery was so transparent that I could hardly see his feigned expressions of deep compassion, or maybe it was due to my throwing up. I need some KOpectate.
I am so pleased to hear what I have been saying for years re people against same sex love/relationships/marriage: WHY DO YOU CARE? If you are not sleeping with someone, why do you care who they sleep with? To preserve the "Sanctity of marriage"? So sacred it enjoys a 52% divorce rate? Reserved for men & women simply because they procreate?; then free to break up, & render the Majority of American children products of broken homes? Where or where is that infamous Christian compassion? A myth?
This makes me sad, marriage is between a man and a women. I just don't want it being taught in school that homosexuality is completely fine, because i don't think thats right. Little kids should not have to know about there things nor hear about them. I know many good homosexual's and i know i'm not trying to take away any of there constitutional rights. You may disagree with me but it's just my opinion, that god has a plan for his children and I don't think it involves gay or lesbian marriages.
@JGray74 Ok...so what are you doing? You sound just as hateful as the people/God you're insulting. Instead of trying to fight her, I don't see why you don't just try to be the better person in the matter. I was taught that God is supposed to be about love...And we're not supposed to judge others... You may not believe in my God, but I'd hope you'd still believe in being decent. Your comment could be paralleled to who gives a shit about homosexuals' plans. Neither statement is cool.
@sydleberry9 You know what? People teach both creationism and evolution....no one really says which one's right or wrong...They can take the same approach with homosexuality. If you're doing a good job raising your kids to be the saints you want them to be, they'll know what (according to you) is right or wrong. It's funny because God said there would be temptations. You have to be strong enough to fight them. I would hope your kids would learn that everyone is equal regardless of their beliefs.
@sydleberry9 The only way that people will know peace and love is through understanding.. Trying to hide your kids from this will NOT make them better people; it will just make them ignorant. And, I'm not a homosexual and don't believe it's what God wanted in marriage, but who am I to stop two lovers? IT'S LOVE. I'd hope someone would explain to their child that, yes, that's not the way God said it should be, but we should still embrace the fact that they've found love.
I have no previous experience with this Oberman dude, but this video, message and how it's presented feels genuine, true and shows there MUST be loads of bones in his body with love...
While I rarley agree with him, I do agree with Kieth on this one. I am am not Gay, Nor do I support gays. But what right do I have to tell two adults that they can't get married?
What do the people who voted against same sex marrage think they are protecting?
Keith Olbermann is preaching "love"??????? That is some shocking irony. He doesn't have a loving bone in his body. Keith is burning with hate. He is all about hate.
I too oppose the gay marriage ban. It is profoundly stupid. I am an atheist, and I never cease being tripped out and confused by the insanity of the religious right. I just also think Keith Olbermann is a big crock of shit.
also just an add in comment. he ends this speech like an irish person. he says good luck, its a very irish thing to say (murphy's law) where as I would expect him to say what i feel is the stereotypical american thing to say: 'god bless'. I just thought I'd share that.
wow. I never thought I would agree with Keith on anything. But I have to applaud him on this eloquently put commentary on something that is so important. As a queer woman I have to echo his statement "I do not understand."
This comment by Keith Olberman hits the nails on many heads, mostly hitting on organized religion and it's satanic grip on this country. Proposition Hate was fueled by religious organizations and the campaign for it was funded by the same. How backwards can we as a country be? How is it that gay marriages are going to be a threat to heterosexual marriages? This has never been answered, because we all KNOW that there is NO THREAT!
@1961arnie Here's the problem with that: Keith has a soul and isn't willing to sell it.. Even Obama, with as much as I like the guy, has to sell off bits and pieces of his soul to please all of his constituents. In politics, you either have a swirling black void of evil in the purest form where your soul should be, or your soul has a price tag attached to it. Keith doesn't seem to fall in either of those categories.
This man speaks nothing but truth. It's a shame some states in America are so backward as to ban gay marriage in a country that says "All MEN are born equal"
As nice a thought as it is... the idea of marriage for love, however, is a relatively new... and people are far to easily led and it's understandable that people would feel hate, they always feel divided... from very young they are groups and states up on them from something like you're on the team and you not to you're a boy and not a girl... all there things separate us make us prude to be ourselves but also make us divided from those around us but people cling to this need to be different
What a bunch of heavily thought out religious points on this video. It's a great thing that this is a religious issue... Oh wait, marriage is a civil right? Then I guess this is a government issue, you know, the exact same government that was formed off the basis of separation of church and state. Live well, enjoy life, and don't hinder your fellow man's chances to enjoy life as well. Live by these rules, instead of the words of an ancient fiction book.
You people who think this homosexuality is wrong, you are selfish and if Jesus who is loving, "One who says love thy neighbor" why would he think happiness between same sex relationships are wrong, fuck you i hope you see what they feel, fuck religion, If thats codemning same sex relationships, fuck it
in a heterosexual marrage there are three people in that marrage god, you, your spouse. so why in a homosexual marrage there is god, you, your spouse, and every other yahoo who has a f@*&ing problem with it???
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What is it to us who oppose prop 8? Well, we want to Bibical principles so God does not take his hand of provision and protection of of this country completely. It has already begun, and we believe if we are obedient to God's word he will keep our country safe and prosperous. That's what it means to us.
The same religious comment as always. We've heard it, move on.
Let God sort out the sinners and don't be arrogant and assume you know his mind or can judge for him...whenever I see this it seems so arrogant as if you are the voice of God. You aren't, face it.
In eternalwanker's defense, he was saying it in response to a comment of mine (I don't think that youtube's comment system is doing a very good job of showing what's a response to what right now)
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Here's the thing - God gave us the Bible so that we WOULD know the voice of God and proclaim it, that is not arrogance. It's belief in the Word of God. He gave it to us we would know what he thinks of certain acts. I choose to believe the Bible.
I didn't want Obama to win, but he did. Too bad for me, thats democracy.
The same people in Cali who put gav california to obama are the same people who voted to ban same sex marriage, sorry same sex couples, but this is a democracy.
Crypto jews like Keith Olbermann are committed to cultural tolerance because of their belief, one firmly rooted in history, that Jews are safe only in a society acceptant of a wide range of attitudes and behaviors. It is that belief, for example, not approval of homosexuality, that leads an overwhelming majority of American Jews to endorse 'gay rights' and to take a liberal stance on most other so-called 'social' issues." Read Kevin McDonald's 'The Culture of Critique.
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"And yet to me, this vote is hhhorrible, hhhorible." Come on, you fucking asshole, you are trying to get a melodramatic payoff and looking like an idiot! Not even gay people reacted so adversely to Prop 8. Any moron could see right through your posturing, voice trembling, and colloquial tap dancing. You have the journalistic substance of a colostomy bag. Fucking moron!
You say gay people didn't react like this, that's true, they reacted much more dramatically. I had so many friends come to school red-eyed and quivering, crying at any mentioning of Prop 8. He is being serious and what he's saying is true and intelligent.
Two pieces of advice going forward: 1) no more arrogant mayors celebrating the overthrow of democracy, and 2) do not equate yourselves with the civil rights movement. 52% represents a closing of the gap, and reframing your argument in a more mature way to the voting block who ultimately determines the fate of ballot initiatives might ultimately make a difference at day's end. Gavin Newsom's "whether you like it or not" created the Prop 8 ad, angering those who were first neutral to the issue.
When eternalwanker attempted to siphon gasoline from a motor home parked on a Biloxi street , he got much more than he bargained for. Police arrived at the scene to find a very sick man curled up next to a motor home near
spilled sewage. A police spokesman said that the man admitted to trying to steal gasoline and plugged his siphon hose into the motor home's sewage tank by mistake. The owner of the vehicle declined to press charges
THE ONLY PERSON NOT HAVING SEX IS eternalwanker0. THAT'S WHY HE (SHE) IS SO OBSSESSED WITH GAY SEX...
Regardless of where you stand on same-sex marriage, what's troubling for US citizens in the California case is the idea that an equality guarantee could not be effectively enforced against the will of a majority. The point of such a guarantee is precisely to protect minorities from discrimination at the hands of a majority.
To the people who responded with the supposedly "humorous" idea that Prop 8 would be a gateway to multiple marriages, and so forth...you are complete morons. Because you believe that you can tell people who they can and can't marry, I suppose that means that I can tell you that your brain is inadequate, and the world would be better off without someone who is so filled with fear and hate.
Perhaps it is time for you to search within yourself-digging through your inevitable sins, your secrets, the basis of your fears. I am a heterosexual catholic, I was raised on the words of the bible, I have faith that God and Jesus, above all else, have the highest respect for humanity, and individual choice.
Why not argue based on personal facts, based on substance, rather than throwing the bible around like it is armor? Lose the bible, and speak person to person-why does this bother you so? Why are you truly homophobic? It is not because of the bible or jesus (because yes, he never spoke out about homosexuality-at least if you read the bible, you would know that)
I am deeply distraught at the level of disrespect that most of these comments show for humanity. Did any of you listen to the words of the video? This is not about YOU. You can disagree, you can think it is disgusting, but how dare you think yourself superior to anyone else in this world, to tell them that their love is not legal?
I don't know why anyone, straight or gay, would want to buy into an archaic and intrinsically broken lifestyle, but if straight people have the right to be miserable, than gay people do too.
If the rights you interpret were protected by the constitution, than they would not need legislating judges to protect them, they would already been tried and tested within the 200 year history.
Unfortunately, people are stupid, and need reminding every 10 years that a certain group of people are still people, are still citizens, and still have the same rights as everyone else as long as they're not criminals.
And we add a little line in our constitution, like "yes, black people are people too. yes, women are people too." and next it will be "yes, gays are people too."
An embarrassment to our integrity to even have to put a line in our constitution saying their rights arent abridged
One of my favorite Supreme Court cases is Loving v. Virginia, and not just because it has a name that would delight any novelist. It's because it reminds me, when I'm downhearted, of the truth of the sentiment at the end of "Angels in America," Tony Kushner's brilliant play: "The world only spins forward."
One of my favorite Supreme Court cases is Loving v. Virginia, and not just because it has a name that would delight any novelist. It's because it reminds me, when I'm downhearted, of the truth of the sentiment at the end of "Angels in America," Tony Kushner's brilliant play: "The world only spins forward."
It turned out that it wasn't just the state that hated the idea of black people marrying white people. God was onboard, too, according to the trial judge, who wrote, "The fact that He separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."
But the Supreme Court, which eventually heard the case, passed over the Almighty for the Constitution, which luckily has an equal-protection clause. "Marriage is one of the basic civil rights of man," the unanimous opinion striking down the couple's conviction said, "fundamental to our very existence and survival."
Fast-forward to Election Day 2008, and a flurry of state ballot propositions to outlaw gay marriage, all of which were successful. This is the latest wedge issue of the good-old-days crowd, supplanting abortion and immigration. They really put their backs into it this time around, galvanized by court decisions in three states ruling that it is discriminatory not to extend the right to marry to gay men and lesbians.
The most high-profile of those rulings, and the most high-profile ballot proposal, came in California. A state court gave its imprimatur to same-sex marriage in June; the electorate reversed that decision on Nov. 4 with the passage of Proposition 8, which defines marriage as only between a man and a woman. The opponents of gay marriage will tell you that the people have spoken. It's truer to say that money talks. The Mormons donated millions to the anti effort; the Knights of Columbus did, too.
Like the judge who ruled in the Loving case, they said they were doing God's bidding. When I was a small child I always used to picture God on a cloud, with a beard. Now I picture God saying, "Why does all the worst stuff get done in my name?"
Just informationally, this is how things are going to go from here on in: two steps forward, one step back. Courts will continue to rule in some jurisdictions that there is no good reason to forbid same-sex couples from marrying.
Legislatures in two states, New York and New Jersey, could pass a measure guaranteeing the right to matrimony to all, and both states have governors who have said they would sign such legislation.
Opponents will scream that the issue should be put to the people, as it was in Arizona, Florida and California. (Arkansas had a different sort of measure, forbidding unmarried couples from adopting or serving as foster parents.
Of course if the issue in Loving had been put to the people, there is no doubt that many would have been delighted to make racial intermarriage a crime. That's why God invented courts.
Yes, and then the past will seem as preposterous and mean-spirited as the events leading up to the Loving decision do today. After all, this is about one of the most powerful forces for good on earth, the determination of two human beings to tether their lives forever. The pitch of the opposition this year spoke to how far we have already come—the states in which civil unions and domestic partnerships are recognized, the families in which gay partners are welcome and beloved.
The antis argued that churches could be forced to perform same-sex unions, when any divorced Roman Catholic can tell you that the clergy refuse to officiate whenever they see fit. They argued that the purpose of same-sex marriage was the indoctrination of children, a popular talking point that has no basis in reality.
As Ellen DeGeneres, who was married several months ago to the lovely Portia de Rossi (great dress, girl), said about being shaped by the orientation of those around you, "I was raised by two heterosexuals. I was surrounded by heterosexuals. Just everywhere I looked: heterosexuals. They did not influence me." As for the notion that allowing gay men and lesbians to marry will destroy conventional marriage, I have found heterosexuals perfectly willing to do that themselves.
They said the same thing about interracial marriage. They made the same arguments. They showed the same prejudice. It's the same scared, hateful people terrified of their world changing in some tiny way they don't understand again.
I don't know about you, but when I heard Keith talk about love, all I could think about was the love God has for us. He set rules for us, he set boundries for us. To protect us. He loves us more than anyone who is married can. And these people are asking me to take the boundries my God, my Savior, made for my benefit, and just act like they aren't there. Marriage is for 1 man and 1 woman in love, with God. I will not throw away the boundries my God has given me.
Olbermann is such a blatherskite. He thinks he's such so sagacious, he's full of nothing but empty ideas.
You want to talk about love? The far left are the biggest hate mongers of all! So some people voted with their religion, why can't you understand that? I don't care three ways to Sunday about gay marriage, but it seems as though the far left are becoming more and more hypcritical. You scream tolerance and to put up with people, unless of course they don't agree with you. Then you slam em
Only over people's rights. When people's rights are on the line everything changes. I'm sure terrorists disagree with us, do we slam 'em? Yes. No, I'm not saying people who disagree are terrorists or anything like that, but let people make their own personal choices. You don't(or shouldn't) have the power to tell them what they can and cannot do in their personal life. You can disagree with whatever you want, that doesn't mean you can or should stop it.
When people defend gay marriage I feel like i'm hearing a record skip "I'ts wrong, man and woman, sacred, it's wrong, man and woman, sacred."
You need to evolve, like humans have always done, or else we'd all still be monkeys running around babbling nonsense, like a lot of you are right now.
Easily the best comment olbermann has ever written. Most of the time he rants about judiciary and political problems but this... this really seemed like he just wanted to make his case rather than badger the opposed. Also he acted the part; not angry, not frustrated, just dissapointed as we all are here in san francisco. This man is quoted for truth.
*claps* He said exactly what I think he should have... omg... it was so good and he is entirely right... <3 It was just plain amazing and I know he said that from his heart. You could feel it... I agree with him when he talked about do unto others as you would have them do unto you... People who agreed with prop 8 its ridiculous. If someone could just rip away your chance at being with the one you love how would that make you feel?
All I can say is Amen Keith! I don't normally agree with him to much but he makes SEVERAL valid points. 50 years ago, people were fighting just as hard to prevent allowing an African-American and a Caucasian person to marry. It is NOT the government's job to tell ANYONE who they can and can not marry. A marriage license is NOT a religious document. Remember that pesky 'Separation of Church and State' thing? The Churches do not have to marry a gay or lesbian couple.
This Keith O. commentary is one of the most eloquent I've ever heard. It touched my heart because after all, marriage is about love. Period. End of statement.
This is nothing but a mass of emotion, and even those who support gay marriage should recognize it. You can support traditional marriage for reasons having nothing to do with how you feel about homosexuals. Not supporting gay marriage =/= hating gay people.
Most moral philosophies concentrate on emotion. This notion that emotion is somehow taboo in debate is a falsehood to any that know anything about ethics. I will give you that Keith could make it more obvious that he is making a consequentialist argument, but just because it is emotional does not make it invalid.
"You can support traditional marriage for reasons having nothing to do with how you feel about homosexuals."
Watching Biden cowardly duck and weave his way through the gay marriage question in the VP debate was a sad and shameful moment. Listening to Obama proudly forward "Civil Unions" as a solution is equally tragic.
How sad it is that Obama - who has felt the weight of "separate but equal" - seems to have learned nothing from his own experience.
Let the Obama government know, "separate but equal" may be good enough for them, as it was the segregationists, but it is not good enough for the USA.
Honestly, it is a view that has persisted so because of the christian bible and its exploitation by the Catholics and governments throughout history (individuals like Paul and Constantine come to mind).
The problem is, that passages like "don't lie with mankind as one would with woman kind" have nothing to do with gay love, and everything to do with God's Old Testament agenda of having the Jewish people spread all over the earth.
The same with his views on sodomy and such; it came to be viewed as a directive to not waste the seed (because no one knew men made a virtually unlimited supply back then), which may have been true to an extent, but it mostly had to do with just obeying God.
A classic example is when God orders a man to impregnate a family member, but that individual pulls out, and was smitten. The majority of people thought the message was to conserve the seed, when it was actually just about obeying God.
Quite frankly, there is NOTHING in the Bible about same sex relations between females in ANY case.
At the end of the day, Keith is right. We need to expunge the last of the taint of the hatred and prejudice of ancient society, and embrace love for the sake of love.
I disagree that allowing men who sleep with men to call themselves spouses, and probably demand the same respect as marriage, constitutes either hatred or prejudice.
Gay love is not equal to gay sex. You don't have to sleep with someone to love them. Just because you necessarily want to get in someone's pants all the time doesn't mean the rest of us do. If you don't, I'm sorry, but from the overall tone of your posts that's how it seems, not to mention your username.
And the commandment (it isn't a main one, but it is part of the smaller, less consequential six hundred) about lying with man is honestly outdated and as useless as the many other commandments in that passage that few of the anti-gay marriage hypocrites bother to follow.
One bad apple does not ruin the bunch. If that were the case we would be a pretty bad bunch of straights...don't you think! Why don't you think before you write.
What is marriage but an institution sanctioned by laws in this country; where 50% of all marriages fail in divorce; so the gays want a chance to experience this. Let them have it. The freedom of choice is theirs. I personally don't know why they would want it, but I certainly don't oppose their right to have it. I am ashamed of all you HOMOPHOBES out there. You should check your own internal compasses on why you want to deny the gays the same rights as you.
They throw race issue into the whole gay marraige thang gay marraige has nothing to do with a persons race being gay is a lifestyle a persons sexuality. It is a fact that a man and another man cannot reproduce as well as a woman and a woman they either have to seminate or have sex with the opposite sex in order to have children now if you had a colony of just gay men and no women at all nothing would happen there would be no growth in there population therefore they would wither away.
I will not APOLOGIZE for how I feel on this issue. I just can't Fucking understand my position on the matter is non tolerated. Why do I have to be targeted as a bigot, racist or a hater, because I don't see it the way the other side does. Is this not a democracy? Does a vote not matter anymore, just because its not popular? You don't see us attacking , cussing, throwing fits or protesting, who are the intolerant her, really?
"In a world surrounded by hate, who are we to say no to love?"
What is marriage but the ultimate commitment between two people who love each other? When you love someone, you should get married. When you don't love someone, don't get married. It makes sense to me. It's child's logic.
So, why do we say no to that? why do we stop love? Why stop the commitment of love? It's ungodly! Gay marriage is a right our country should allow.
Marriage is a lot more than the ultimate commitment between two people that love each other. Marriage is by ancient definition through to modern times, a union between man and women, conducted with varying levels of ostentation but with some sort of religious ceremony, that provides a stable environment for kids to grow up in.
That definition is idyllic and bears a passing resemblance to the real "institution". Marriage has, in fact, been redefined multiple times over the years and takes on multiple forms all over the world. Sometimes marriage is between one man and one woman, sometimes between one man and many women, sometimes between one woman and many men, and sometimes between a whole community. I see no reason to limit the right of marriage, with its legal and emotional benefits (if any), to opposite genders.
Yes, but in all those instances that you mention, such as polygamy, there has always been an overriding principle, which is to provide a stable environment for kids to grow up in. That is marriage.
Very few want to limit the legal benefits of unions to gays, and the state cannot confer emotional benefits between two people one way or the other.
This issue is about parity and social respect for homosexual relationships being equal to marriage.
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I used to enjoy Olbermann, but he sounds more and more like a bigot. He fails to concede that an anti gay position is well thought out and considered. He tries to paint people who oppose gay marriage as fanatics and ass holes, which simply is a bigoted view. He is just like the Republican hatemongerers, Limbaugh, Hannity et alia.
Check most of my commentary on this page. Essentially marriage is an institution to provide a stable environment for children to be raised in, that has some religious ceremony attached to it and significance at a social level.
Trying to redefine marriage, apart from being newspeak which I personally dislike, is attempting to devalue the institution of marriage to a simple love/lust relationship between two people.
There are still plenty of gay couples who adopt, who are not married. Who provide love and support better than some straight couples.
Marriage doesn't provide you with the magic ability to give children a stable and nurturing environment. I don't even understand why you'd mention that. o_O
"Marriage doesn't provide you with the magic ability to give children a stable and nurturing environment."
Of cause not, but that is the historical evolutionary intention behind marriage, that a father protects the social status of the family within the tribe and the ability to provide education, physical security, food and shelter, and the mother, through tender instincts has the aforementioned security to raise the children with love.
Yes evolution! We've evolved so far too and we don't even need to raise children as tribes. You can take two loving men, who have money and a home, and have them adopt an unwanted child from a 14 year old teen mommy whose wholesome Christan father threatened to beat her to death if she ever got knocked up.
spread love and happiness, share with all those who seek it, fight to honor your religion. This does not seem so hard, but after reading the comments--wow!
They say you have to be taught history so you can learn from your mistakes, but it seems to me the only thing accomplished is a sense of inequality and anger because of things happened in the past.
And religion which is supposed to be about love and living life the right way has become a blood fight.
We're all people aren't we? You live your life and they'll live theirs. Just calm down and think beyond the box you put yourself in, things are different on the outside
Don't compare racial restrictions years ago, which prohibited certain races to marry between a MAN and WOMAN with changing the entire concept of marriage to between MAN and MAN or WOMAN and WOMAN.
There, judicial decisions approving same-sex marriage or even state laws barring discrimination can be used to pronounce any opposing moral or religious doctrine to be "contrary to public policy." So declared, it would be short work for a state attorney general's opinion to deny the tax-exempt status of charities and most orthodox Jewish, Christian and Islamic religious bodies. If enough state lawyers do this, expect the IRS to chime in.
Chicago Tribune: If gays marry, churches could suffer
Well then FUCK the churches!! There's too many of the damn things to begin with. LOVE IS LOVE. Why should homosexuals be demoted to second class citizens BASED ON FEAR?
jesus christ, what an embarassing, pretentious, boring, fucking psuedo intellectual effeminate faggot.
GPerch123 7 months ago
@GPerch123 Ask yourself what would Jesus do friend
darkwarriorkane 4 weeks ago
I LOVE THIS MAN.
HollyGoLightly1978 1 year ago
KO is desperately trying to win an emmy to save his piece of crap show. And what better way to do it than tugging at the heart strings of the poor picked on gay community. "This is about the human heart", eeeasy stomach. KO's phony baloney delivery was so transparent that I could hardly see his feigned expressions of deep compassion, or maybe it was due to my throwing up. I need some KOpectate.
1pt21jigawatt 1 year ago
I am so pleased to hear what I have been saying for years re people against same sex love/relationships/marriage: WHY DO YOU CARE? If you are not sleeping with someone, why do you care who they sleep with? To preserve the "Sanctity of marriage"? So sacred it enjoys a 52% divorce rate? Reserved for men & women simply because they procreate?; then free to break up, & render the Majority of American children products of broken homes? Where or where is that infamous Christian compassion? A myth?
TheKimberly1975 1 year ago
I am so glad people like this exists. That's all i can say. So freaking HAPPY.
Namaechan 1 year ago
well said well said......... Keith you are very great. I love this talk.......
vocalistforever 1 year ago
I bet Olbermann wishes he could redefine his pathetic ratings.
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georgel19841 1 year ago
This makes me sad, marriage is between a man and a women. I just don't want it being taught in school that homosexuality is completely fine, because i don't think thats right. Little kids should not have to know about there things nor hear about them. I know many good homosexual's and i know i'm not trying to take away any of there constitutional rights. You may disagree with me but it's just my opinion, that god has a plan for his children and I don't think it involves gay or lesbian marriages.
sydleberry9 1 year ago
@sydleberry9 - who gives a shit about your hateful schizophrenic bipolar god's "plan"? You and him/her/it can shove it up your asses.
JGray74 1 year ago
@JGray74 Ok...so what are you doing? You sound just as hateful as the people/God you're insulting. Instead of trying to fight her, I don't see why you don't just try to be the better person in the matter. I was taught that God is supposed to be about love...And we're not supposed to judge others... You may not believe in my God, but I'd hope you'd still believe in being decent. Your comment could be paralleled to who gives a shit about homosexuals' plans. Neither statement is cool.
alsoccer213 1 year ago
@sydleberry9 You know what? People teach both creationism and evolution....no one really says which one's right or wrong...They can take the same approach with homosexuality. If you're doing a good job raising your kids to be the saints you want them to be, they'll know what (according to you) is right or wrong. It's funny because God said there would be temptations. You have to be strong enough to fight them. I would hope your kids would learn that everyone is equal regardless of their beliefs.
alsoccer213 1 year ago
@sydleberry9 The only way that people will know peace and love is through understanding.. Trying to hide your kids from this will NOT make them better people; it will just make them ignorant. And, I'm not a homosexual and don't believe it's what God wanted in marriage, but who am I to stop two lovers? IT'S LOVE. I'd hope someone would explain to their child that, yes, that's not the way God said it should be, but we should still embrace the fact that they've found love.
alsoccer213 1 year ago
if Keith were in office and a few more we could look at Washington with respect again with a little luck
1961arnie 1 year ago
i want him to run for congress please sir please run sir run for our lifes
1961arnie 1 year ago
Citizens voices must be shouted!! Do you support Barak's health Care policy? Stop by my profile to see exactly why Y0UR points of view are needed !!!
Yelena335 1 year ago
I have no previous experience with this Oberman dude, but this video, message and how it's presented feels genuine, true and shows there MUST be loads of bones in his body with love...
LeordRedhammer 1 year ago
Man, even when I agree with Olbermann, I'm turned off by how incredibly insincere he is.
SecondsToLast 2 years ago
This video still moves me. Regardless of who Olbermann is, it's wonderful that he said this.
uranusisachicken 2 years ago 3
While I rarley agree with him, I do agree with Kieth on this one. I am am not Gay, Nor do I support gays. But what right do I have to tell two adults that they can't get married?
What do the people who voted against same sex marrage think they are protecting?
confederatecharlie 2 years ago 4
Good for you Keith! You speak the truth!
Christheatheist1 2 years ago 3
Did they name this loser's show 'Countdown' because of what his sponsors do when thinking about how many viewers might be watching this shit?
roscoe85cj 2 years ago
Keith Olbermann is preaching "love"??????? That is some shocking irony. He doesn't have a loving bone in his body. Keith is burning with hate. He is all about hate.
I too oppose the gay marriage ban. It is profoundly stupid. I am an atheist, and I never cease being tripped out and confused by the insanity of the religious right. I just also think Keith Olbermann is a big crock of shit.
thimoneus 2 years ago
Obama opposes gay marriage too.
thimoneus 2 years ago 2
also just an add in comment. he ends this speech like an irish person. he says good luck, its a very irish thing to say (murphy's law) where as I would expect him to say what i feel is the stereotypical american thing to say: 'god bless'. I just thought I'd share that.
ihatepolitics 2 years ago
"Good night and good luck" is a nod to former CBS newsman, Edward Murrow.
kathl85 2 years ago
how can i get a printed copy of this speech? could anyone help me. thanks. I want to give it to my University LGBT society.
ihatepolitics 2 years ago 2
wow. I never thought I would agree with Keith on anything. But I have to applaud him on this eloquently put commentary on something that is so important. As a queer woman I have to echo his statement "I do not understand."
where is the love?
katisawriter 2 years ago 4
This comment by Keith Olberman hits the nails on many heads, mostly hitting on organized religion and it's satanic grip on this country. Proposition Hate was fueled by religious organizations and the campaign for it was funded by the same. How backwards can we as a country be? How is it that gay marriages are going to be a threat to heterosexual marriages? This has never been answered, because we all KNOW that there is NO THREAT!
DennyYou 2 years ago 3
I love this guy!! You go Keith!!
skeptical2006 3 years ago 3
This man truly speaks the truth. Right on, brother!
JayOleck 3 years ago 16
@JayOleck i want him in congress
1961arnie 1 year ago
@1961arnie Here's the problem with that: Keith has a soul and isn't willing to sell it.. Even Obama, with as much as I like the guy, has to sell off bits and pieces of his soul to please all of his constituents. In politics, you either have a swirling black void of evil in the purest form where your soul should be, or your soul has a price tag attached to it. Keith doesn't seem to fall in either of those categories.
JayOleck 1 year ago
Keith Olbermann is a hero.
Kdawg25 3 years ago 9
@Kdawg25 Keith Olbermann is the shit
MarFlo0266 1 year ago
Why is everyone still going on about gays and the bible?
I think there's a bigger issue here that we're all somehow forgetting.
Shrimp is an abomination, people. If you have ever eaten shrimp, you have some serious repenting to do.
Get on that.
SirYolkington 3 years ago 4
I LOVE YOU KIETH OLBERMANN!!! <3
jimboy929 3 years ago
*KEITH
jimboy929 3 years ago
I don't really care for the gay lifestyle, but I don't mind if they get married or not.
davykrump29 3 years ago
This man speaks nothing but truth. It's a shame some states in America are so backward as to ban gay marriage in a country that says "All MEN are born equal"
mojoman4147 3 years ago 3
As nice a thought as it is... the idea of marriage for love, however, is a relatively new... and people are far to easily led and it's understandable that people would feel hate, they always feel divided... from very young they are groups and states up on them from something like you're on the team and you not to you're a boy and not a girl... all there things separate us make us prude to be ourselves but also make us divided from those around us but people cling to this need to be different
DsaiTheWhite 3 years ago
What a bunch of heavily thought out religious points on this video. It's a great thing that this is a religious issue... Oh wait, marriage is a civil right? Then I guess this is a government issue, you know, the exact same government that was formed off the basis of separation of church and state. Live well, enjoy life, and don't hinder your fellow man's chances to enjoy life as well. Live by these rules, instead of the words of an ancient fiction book.
FightForHope 3 years ago 3
This is amazing and very heartfelt. We need to stamp out hatred in this country.
texasbmwmom 3 years ago 3
You people who think this homosexuality is wrong, you are selfish and if Jesus who is loving, "One who says love thy neighbor" why would he think happiness between same sex relationships are wrong, fuck you i hope you see what they feel, fuck religion, If thats codemning same sex relationships, fuck it
sincere2da 3 years ago 3
in a heterosexual marrage there are three people in that marrage god, you, your spouse. so why in a homosexual marrage there is god, you, your spouse, and every other yahoo who has a f@*&ing problem with it???
meifonlei 3 years ago
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What is it to us who oppose prop 8? Well, we want to Bibical principles so God does not take his hand of provision and protection of of this country completely. It has already begun, and we believe if we are obedient to God's word he will keep our country safe and prosperous. That's what it means to us.
OneWayJesus1 3 years ago
The same religious comment as always. We've heard it, move on.
Let God sort out the sinners and don't be arrogant and assume you know his mind or can judge for him...whenever I see this it seems so arrogant as if you are the voice of God. You aren't, face it.
StormAscendant 3 years ago 4
In eternalwanker's defense, he was saying it in response to a comment of mine (I don't think that youtube's comment system is doing a very good job of showing what's a response to what right now)
wetsuit101 3 years ago
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Here's the thing - God gave us the Bible so that we WOULD know the voice of God and proclaim it, that is not arrogance. It's belief in the Word of God. He gave it to us we would know what he thinks of certain acts. I choose to believe the Bible.
OneWayJesus1 3 years ago
Nonsense, arguing with emotion, not reason.
I didn't want Obama to win, but he did. Too bad for me, thats democracy.
The same people in Cali who put gav california to obama are the same people who voted to ban same sex marriage, sorry same sex couples, but this is a democracy.
IAMSUPERMARIOMAN 3 years ago
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Olbermann is an idiot and totally misprepresented what this was all about.
It was also a well rehearsed piece, made to "appear" authentic." What a joke he is.
theobamafactor 3 years ago
Damn.....that's the kind of power we need!
BigDogFletch 3 years ago
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Crypto jews like Keith Olbermann are committed to cultural tolerance because of their belief, one firmly rooted in history, that Jews are safe only in a society acceptant of a wide range of attitudes and behaviors. It is that belief, for example, not approval of homosexuality, that leads an overwhelming majority of American Jews to endorse 'gay rights' and to take a liberal stance on most other so-called 'social' issues." Read Kevin McDonald's 'The Culture of Critique.
gliderama 3 years ago
this is beautiful
alyssa62985 3 years ago
Right on, man.
SonnyWyatt 3 years ago 2
I dislike Keith Olbermann very much, but this video changed my opinion of him, a little bit.
MeLikeGuns 3 years ago
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"And yet to me, this vote is hhhorrible, hhhorible." Come on, you fucking asshole, you are trying to get a melodramatic payoff and looking like an idiot! Not even gay people reacted so adversely to Prop 8. Any moron could see right through your posturing, voice trembling, and colloquial tap dancing. You have the journalistic substance of a colostomy bag. Fucking moron!
fingerbang666 3 years ago
You don't understand at all.
You say gay people didn't react like this, that's true, they reacted much more dramatically. I had so many friends come to school red-eyed and quivering, crying at any mentioning of Prop 8. He is being serious and what he's saying is true and intelligent.
calvinwutwut 3 years ago 5
Two pieces of advice going forward: 1) no more arrogant mayors celebrating the overthrow of democracy, and 2) do not equate yourselves with the civil rights movement. 52% represents a closing of the gap, and reframing your argument in a more mature way to the voting block who ultimately determines the fate of ballot initiatives might ultimately make a difference at day's end. Gavin Newsom's "whether you like it or not" created the Prop 8 ad, angering those who were first neutral to the issue.
fingerbang666 3 years ago
Wow. I hadn't seen this video til now. I think Keith Olbermann is my new hero.
Cambria30 3 years ago 3
Me too.
UCDgirl 3 years ago
When eternalwanker attempted to siphon gasoline from a motor home parked on a Biloxi street , he got much more than he bargained for. Police arrived at the scene to find a very sick man curled up next to a motor home near
spilled sewage. A police spokesman said that the man admitted to trying to steal gasoline and plugged his siphon hose into the motor home's sewage tank by mistake. The owner of the vehicle declined to press charges
saying that it was the best laugh he'd ever had.
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago
Infantile
eternalwanker 3 years ago
THE ONLY PERSON NOT HAVING SEX IS eternalwanker0. THAT'S WHY HE (SHE) IS SO OBSSESSED WITH GAY SEX...
Regardless of where you stand on same-sex marriage, what's troubling for US citizens in the California case is the idea that an equality guarantee could not be effectively enforced against the will of a majority. The point of such a guarantee is precisely to protect minorities from discrimination at the hands of a majority.
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago
That is ethnic/racial/religious minorities, not for gays. But yeah, keep attacking me, lol, just try and be funny when you do it eh.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
... your name is very interesting for one whom comments that another person is infantile.
victoriaau 3 years ago
I would rather be a wanker than Victoria.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
To the people who responded with the supposedly "humorous" idea that Prop 8 would be a gateway to multiple marriages, and so forth...you are complete morons. Because you believe that you can tell people who they can and can't marry, I suppose that means that I can tell you that your brain is inadequate, and the world would be better off without someone who is so filled with fear and hate.
julesthestar313 3 years ago
Perhaps it is time for you to search within yourself-digging through your inevitable sins, your secrets, the basis of your fears. I am a heterosexual catholic, I was raised on the words of the bible, I have faith that God and Jesus, above all else, have the highest respect for humanity, and individual choice.
julesthestar313 3 years ago
Why not argue based on personal facts, based on substance, rather than throwing the bible around like it is armor? Lose the bible, and speak person to person-why does this bother you so? Why are you truly homophobic? It is not because of the bible or jesus (because yes, he never spoke out about homosexuality-at least if you read the bible, you would know that)
julesthestar313 3 years ago
I am deeply distraught at the level of disrespect that most of these comments show for humanity. Did any of you listen to the words of the video? This is not about YOU. You can disagree, you can think it is disgusting, but how dare you think yourself superior to anyone else in this world, to tell them that their love is not legal?
julesthestar313 3 years ago 2
I don't know why anyone, straight or gay, would want to buy into an archaic and intrinsically broken lifestyle, but if straight people have the right to be miserable, than gay people do too.
TRMac50 3 years ago
Last I checked, the constitution protected all American Citizens' rights, not just those that aren't gay.
orladin 3 years ago
If the rights you interpret were protected by the constitution, than they would not need legislating judges to protect them, they would already been tried and tested within the 200 year history.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
Unfortunately, people are stupid, and need reminding every 10 years that a certain group of people are still people, are still citizens, and still have the same rights as everyone else as long as they're not criminals.
And we add a little line in our constitution, like "yes, black people are people too. yes, women are people too." and next it will be "yes, gays are people too."
An embarrassment to our integrity to even have to put a line in our constitution saying their rights arent abridged
orladin 3 years ago 2
Actually the black people are people too line was legislated into existence.
So too when women payed taxes, they had to given the vote too.
Some people are gay, but gay identification is not in the same class as blacks and women.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
One of my favorite Supreme Court cases is Loving v. Virginia, and not just because it has a name that would delight any novelist. It's because it reminds me, when I'm downhearted, of the truth of the sentiment at the end of "Angels in America," Tony Kushner's brilliant play: "The world only spins forward."
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago
One of my favorite Supreme Court cases is Loving v. Virginia, and not just because it has a name that would delight any novelist. It's because it reminds me, when I'm downhearted, of the truth of the sentiment at the end of "Angels in America," Tony Kushner's brilliant play: "The world only spins forward."
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago
It turned out that it wasn't just the state that hated the idea of black people marrying white people. God was onboard, too, according to the trial judge, who wrote, "The fact that He separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago
But the Supreme Court, which eventually heard the case, passed over the Almighty for the Constitution, which luckily has an equal-protection clause. "Marriage is one of the basic civil rights of man," the unanimous opinion striking down the couple's conviction said, "fundamental to our very existence and survival."
That was in 1967.
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago 2
Fast-forward to Election Day 2008, and a flurry of state ballot propositions to outlaw gay marriage, all of which were successful. This is the latest wedge issue of the good-old-days crowd, supplanting abortion and immigration. They really put their backs into it this time around, galvanized by court decisions in three states ruling that it is discriminatory not to extend the right to marry to gay men and lesbians.
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago
The most high-profile of those rulings, and the most high-profile ballot proposal, came in California. A state court gave its imprimatur to same-sex marriage in June; the electorate reversed that decision on Nov. 4 with the passage of Proposition 8, which defines marriage as only between a man and a woman. The opponents of gay marriage will tell you that the people have spoken. It's truer to say that money talks. The Mormons donated millions to the anti effort; the Knights of Columbus did, too.
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago 2
Like the judge who ruled in the Loving case, they said they were doing God's bidding. When I was a small child I always used to picture God on a cloud, with a beard. Now I picture God saying, "Why does all the worst stuff get done in my name?"
Just informationally, this is how things are going to go from here on in: two steps forward, one step back. Courts will continue to rule in some jurisdictions that there is no good reason to forbid same-sex couples from marrying.
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago 2
Legislatures in two states, New York and New Jersey, could pass a measure guaranteeing the right to matrimony to all, and both states have governors who have said they would sign such legislation.
Opponents will scream that the issue should be put to the people, as it was in Arizona, Florida and California. (Arkansas had a different sort of measure, forbidding unmarried couples from adopting or serving as foster parents.
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago
Of course if the issue in Loving had been put to the people, there is no doubt that many would have been delighted to make racial intermarriage a crime. That's why God invented courts.
The world only spins forward.
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago
Yes, and then the past will seem as preposterous and mean-spirited as the events leading up to the Loving decision do today. After all, this is about one of the most powerful forces for good on earth, the determination of two human beings to tether their lives forever. The pitch of the opposition this year spoke to how far we have already come—the states in which civil unions and domestic partnerships are recognized, the families in which gay partners are welcome and beloved.
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago
The antis argued that churches could be forced to perform same-sex unions, when any divorced Roman Catholic can tell you that the clergy refuse to officiate whenever they see fit. They argued that the purpose of same-sex marriage was the indoctrination of children, a popular talking point that has no basis in reality.
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago
As Ellen DeGeneres, who was married several months ago to the lovely Portia de Rossi (great dress, girl), said about being shaped by the orientation of those around you, "I was raised by two heterosexuals. I was surrounded by heterosexuals. Just everywhere I looked: heterosexuals. They did not influence me." As for the notion that allowing gay men and lesbians to marry will destroy conventional marriage, I have found heterosexuals perfectly willing to do that themselves.
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago 2
They said the same thing about interracial marriage. They made the same arguments. They showed the same prejudice. It's the same scared, hateful people terrified of their world changing in some tiny way they don't understand again.
orladin 3 years ago
Legislating judges. Legislating judges. Gay men and lesbians can marry, they just cannot marry their own sex.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
you are your own worst enemy man. re-read your last post and think.
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago
You want a social revolution for the benefit of a tiny minority and against the interests of the vast, vast majority.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
The World Needs more people Like this.
wertyterty5 3 years ago
I wonder why all these people are saying god is a man, how the fuck do they know!
kimseycook 3 years ago
I don't know about you, but when I heard Keith talk about love, all I could think about was the love God has for us. He set rules for us, he set boundries for us. To protect us. He loves us more than anyone who is married can. And these people are asking me to take the boundries my God, my Savior, made for my benefit, and just act like they aren't there. Marriage is for 1 man and 1 woman in love, with God. I will not throw away the boundries my God has given me.
laxguy49 3 years ago
Olbermann is such a blatherskite. He thinks he's such so sagacious, he's full of nothing but empty ideas.
You want to talk about love? The far left are the biggest hate mongers of all! So some people voted with their religion, why can't you understand that? I don't care three ways to Sunday about gay marriage, but it seems as though the far left are becoming more and more hypcritical. You scream tolerance and to put up with people, unless of course they don't agree with you. Then you slam em
cmontheplane 3 years ago
Really? wow. there are no words for how ignorant you are.
FollowOtherness 3 years ago
There are no words for how gratuitous the comments you are making are.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
Only over people's rights. When people's rights are on the line everything changes. I'm sure terrorists disagree with us, do we slam 'em? Yes. No, I'm not saying people who disagree are terrorists or anything like that, but let people make their own personal choices. You don't(or shouldn't) have the power to tell them what they can and cannot do in their personal life. You can disagree with whatever you want, that doesn't mean you can or should stop it.
StormAscendant 3 years ago 2
Keith Olbermann seems to be the sanest person on American tv.
P47RICK 3 years ago 2
I meant when people speak against gay marriage
chemikatie954 3 years ago
When people defend gay marriage I feel like i'm hearing a record skip "I'ts wrong, man and woman, sacred, it's wrong, man and woman, sacred."
You need to evolve, like humans have always done, or else we'd all still be monkeys running around babbling nonsense, like a lot of you are right now.
chemikatie954 3 years ago
Easily the best comment olbermann has ever written. Most of the time he rants about judiciary and political problems but this... this really seemed like he just wanted to make his case rather than badger the opposed. Also he acted the part; not angry, not frustrated, just dissapointed as we all are here in san francisco. This man is quoted for truth.
SeekerofTruth0 3 years ago
hell yeah olbermann!!!!
laurdawgmacdaddy 3 years ago
AMEN!
karneene 3 years ago
*claps* He said exactly what I think he should have... omg... it was so good and he is entirely right... <3 It was just plain amazing and I know he said that from his heart. You could feel it... I agree with him when he talked about do unto others as you would have them do unto you... People who agreed with prop 8 its ridiculous. If someone could just rip away your chance at being with the one you love how would that make you feel?
FFTRIB101 3 years ago
All I can say is Amen Keith! I don't normally agree with him to much but he makes SEVERAL valid points. 50 years ago, people were fighting just as hard to prevent allowing an African-American and a Caucasian person to marry. It is NOT the government's job to tell ANYONE who they can and can not marry. A marriage license is NOT a religious document. Remember that pesky 'Separation of Church and State' thing? The Churches do not have to marry a gay or lesbian couple.
kevinology360 3 years ago
This Keith O. commentary is one of the most eloquent I've ever heard. It touched my heart because after all, marriage is about love. Period. End of statement.
jalavie 3 years ago 2
This is nothing but a mass of emotion, and even those who support gay marriage should recognize it. You can support traditional marriage for reasons having nothing to do with how you feel about homosexuals. Not supporting gay marriage =/= hating gay people.
ChristinaTM 3 years ago
Most moral philosophies concentrate on emotion. This notion that emotion is somehow taboo in debate is a falsehood to any that know anything about ethics. I will give you that Keith could make it more obvious that he is making a consequentialist argument, but just because it is emotional does not make it invalid.
"You can support traditional marriage for reasons having nothing to do with how you feel about homosexuals."
Could you please provide three examples?
TheBigGrumpy 3 years ago
Watching Biden cowardly duck and weave his way through the gay marriage question in the VP debate was a sad and shameful moment. Listening to Obama proudly forward "Civil Unions" as a solution is equally tragic.
How sad it is that Obama - who has felt the weight of "separate but equal" - seems to have learned nothing from his own experience.
Let the Obama government know, "separate but equal" may be good enough for them, as it was the segregationists, but it is not good enough for the USA.
TheBigGrumpy 3 years ago
i think that was a pre-election tactic to appeal to the christians... i hope
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kadjrare 3 years ago
Yeah, yet, I'm not sure pandering to moral smallness is any more noble than actually having those beliefs to begin with.
TheBigGrumpy 3 years ago
morality =/= politics
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kadjrare 3 years ago
Beautiful
skysurfer2010 3 years ago
If we're all equal in gods eyes, then why do these relegious crack heads think gays are any different?
iluvmytamagatchi 3 years ago 2
Honestly, it is a view that has persisted so because of the christian bible and its exploitation by the Catholics and governments throughout history (individuals like Paul and Constantine come to mind).
The problem is, that passages like "don't lie with mankind as one would with woman kind" have nothing to do with gay love, and everything to do with God's Old Testament agenda of having the Jewish people spread all over the earth.
ScottishWookiee 3 years ago
The same with his views on sodomy and such; it came to be viewed as a directive to not waste the seed (because no one knew men made a virtually unlimited supply back then), which may have been true to an extent, but it mostly had to do with just obeying God.
A classic example is when God orders a man to impregnate a family member, but that individual pulls out, and was smitten. The majority of people thought the message was to conserve the seed, when it was actually just about obeying God.
ScottishWookiee 3 years ago
Quite frankly, there is NOTHING in the Bible about same sex relations between females in ANY case.
At the end of the day, Keith is right. We need to expunge the last of the taint of the hatred and prejudice of ancient society, and embrace love for the sake of love.
ScottishWookiee 3 years ago
I disagree that allowing men who sleep with men to call themselves spouses, and probably demand the same respect as marriage, constitutes either hatred or prejudice.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
I don't understand what you are saying. Restate that statement with more context, please.
ScottishWookiee 3 years ago
Despising newspeak does not constitute hate or prejudice.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
Gay love is not equal to gay sex. You don't have to sleep with someone to love them. Just because you necessarily want to get in someone's pants all the time doesn't mean the rest of us do. If you don't, I'm sorry, but from the overall tone of your posts that's how it seems, not to mention your username.
StormAscendant 3 years ago
And the commandment (it isn't a main one, but it is part of the smaller, less consequential six hundred) about lying with man is honestly outdated and as useless as the many other commandments in that passage that few of the anti-gay marriage hypocrites bother to follow.
ScottishWookiee 3 years ago
Support all gays, bi's, and lesbians of all ages! We are a good community and we are all good people!
It's a terrible thing that Proposition 8 passed! But we keep on fighting because we are strong people!
GAY PRIDE!!!
AgainstProposition8 3 years ago
"we are all good people!"
Lucius Cornelius Sulla was gay. It was rumoured about Adolf Hitler as well.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
One bad apple does not ruin the bunch. If that were the case we would be a pretty bad bunch of straights...don't you think! Why don't you think before you write.
danf17 3 years ago
Oh of cause, I was just responding to the comment that all gays are good.
Why don't you read up before you write.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
Love this and so glad he stood up ad said this.
People who voted to take our rights should be ashamed. God would not approve.
Stay out of our Bedrooms.
cooperrileyhenry 3 years ago
I don't mind prop 8 as a personally gain for my own country. More tourism for us. XD
squiddiez 3 years ago
profound speech.
Rockinazn4life 3 years ago
Votes done, get over it. At least you won't get stormed and taken to jail for being gay like they do the people who grow medical marijuana.
thejugg420 3 years ago
Right on. Please don't fight the right to love openly. My love is just as good as everyone else's.
ThatEthanGuy 3 years ago
What is marriage but an institution sanctioned by laws in this country; where 50% of all marriages fail in divorce; so the gays want a chance to experience this. Let them have it. The freedom of choice is theirs. I personally don't know why they would want it, but I certainly don't oppose their right to have it. I am ashamed of all you HOMOPHOBES out there. You should check your own internal compasses on why you want to deny the gays the same rights as you.
pr1nz355 3 years ago 2
They throw race issue into the whole gay marraige thang gay marraige has nothing to do with a persons race being gay is a lifestyle a persons sexuality. It is a fact that a man and another man cannot reproduce as well as a woman and a woman they either have to seminate or have sex with the opposite sex in order to have children now if you had a colony of just gay men and no women at all nothing would happen there would be no growth in there population therefore they would wither away.
haterraiders 3 years ago
So if a woman is incapable of having children by genetic defect she's as useless as a gay man?
Despite how much they love their partners the issue is they can't add children to an already overpopulated planet? Man, I wish I saw that before!
squiddiez 3 years ago
I will not APOLOGIZE for how I feel on this issue. I just can't Fucking understand my position on the matter is non tolerated. Why do I have to be targeted as a bigot, racist or a hater, because I don't see it the way the other side does. Is this not a democracy? Does a vote not matter anymore, just because its not popular? You don't see us attacking , cussing, throwing fits or protesting, who are the intolerant her, really?
notMM 3 years ago 2
Yeah, reading the reaction in these comments reminds me of a book I read on the S.A.. Very militant and lacking a democratic spirit.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
This is an AMAZING speech.
Incredible.
Good for you Keith.
BFT
barefootted 3 years ago
Thank you Keith. One of the BEST and most heartfelt commentaries I've heard on this subject yet!!! Bless you!
Scottiepoo5612 3 years ago
"Love is love is love..." Enya
"Let love surround." Jillian Goldin
"In a world surrounded by hate, who are we to say no to love?"
What is marriage but the ultimate commitment between two people who love each other? When you love someone, you should get married. When you don't love someone, don't get married. It makes sense to me. It's child's logic.
So, why do we say no to that? why do we stop love? Why stop the commitment of love? It's ungodly! Gay marriage is a right our country should allow.
Lockea 3 years ago 5
Marriage is a lot more than the ultimate commitment between two people that love each other. Marriage is by ancient definition through to modern times, a union between man and women, conducted with varying levels of ostentation but with some sort of religious ceremony, that provides a stable environment for kids to grow up in.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
That definition is idyllic and bears a passing resemblance to the real "institution". Marriage has, in fact, been redefined multiple times over the years and takes on multiple forms all over the world. Sometimes marriage is between one man and one woman, sometimes between one man and many women, sometimes between one woman and many men, and sometimes between a whole community. I see no reason to limit the right of marriage, with its legal and emotional benefits (if any), to opposite genders.
SmallWorldFilms 3 years ago 2
Yes, but in all those instances that you mention, such as polygamy, there has always been an overriding principle, which is to provide a stable environment for kids to grow up in. That is marriage.
Very few want to limit the legal benefits of unions to gays, and the state cannot confer emotional benefits between two people one way or the other.
This issue is about parity and social respect for homosexual relationships being equal to marriage.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
It may not be possible to have expressed this any better than Keith Olbermann just did. Amazing.
SmallWorldFilms 3 years ago
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I used to enjoy Olbermann, but he sounds more and more like a bigot. He fails to concede that an anti gay position is well thought out and considered. He tries to paint people who oppose gay marriage as fanatics and ass holes, which simply is a bigoted view. He is just like the Republican hatemongerers, Limbaugh, Hannity et alia.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
I've only just discovered Olbermann myself, so I'm open to hearing your opinion. However, I think he made good points.
What are the well thought out and considered anti-gay positions? Please let me know, as I can't recall ever hearing one.
SmallWorldFilms 3 years ago
I'm still waiting eternalwanker.
SmallWorldFilms 3 years ago
Check most of my commentary on this page. Essentially marriage is an institution to provide a stable environment for children to be raised in, that has some religious ceremony attached to it and significance at a social level.
Trying to redefine marriage, apart from being newspeak which I personally dislike, is attempting to devalue the institution of marriage to a simple love/lust relationship between two people.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
There are still plenty of gay couples who adopt, who are not married. Who provide love and support better than some straight couples.
Marriage doesn't provide you with the magic ability to give children a stable and nurturing environment. I don't even understand why you'd mention that. o_O
squiddiez 3 years ago
"Marriage doesn't provide you with the magic ability to give children a stable and nurturing environment."
Of cause not, but that is the historical evolutionary intention behind marriage, that a father protects the social status of the family within the tribe and the ability to provide education, physical security, food and shelter, and the mother, through tender instincts has the aforementioned security to raise the children with love.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
Yes evolution! We've evolved so far too and we don't even need to raise children as tribes. You can take two loving men, who have money and a home, and have them adopt an unwanted child from a 14 year old teen mommy whose wholesome Christan father threatened to beat her to death if she ever got knocked up.
Ahhh, the tribe.
squiddiez 3 years ago
"We've evolved so far too and we don't even need to raise children as tribes."
Oh yeah, than why are kids in the present generation overweight, inactive, unhealthy little brats with no manners?
eternalwanker 3 years ago
I don't know, hopefully denying gays/lesbians the right to marry will fix this problem!
Even though the united states has the fattest/most inactive/spoiled kids in the world. The issue is clearly gay parents.
squiddiez 3 years ago
lol
eternalwanker 3 years ago
way to twist anthropological theory in a rather unintelligent way.
FollowOtherness 3 years ago
Way to make a completely egotistical, unaccountable comment.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
spread love and happiness, share with all those who seek it, fight to honor your religion. This does not seem so hard, but after reading the comments--wow!
blayanksnut 3 years ago
They say you have to be taught history so you can learn from your mistakes, but it seems to me the only thing accomplished is a sense of inequality and anger because of things happened in the past.
And religion which is supposed to be about love and living life the right way has become a blood fight.
We're all people aren't we? You live your life and they'll live theirs. Just calm down and think beyond the box you put yourself in, things are different on the outside
chemikatie954 3 years ago
beautiful.
MsSkateboardP 3 years ago
Simple formula: If you want happiness, wish happiness for yourself and others.
Simple formula: If you don't want happiness, do not wish happiness for yourself and do not wish happiness for others.
reybeez1973 3 years ago
God this makes ME want to cry- Thank GOD another straight person feels that way. THANK GOD.
StJimmyHavok 3 years ago 2
Don't compare racial restrictions years ago, which prohibited certain races to marry between a MAN and WOMAN with changing the entire concept of marriage to between MAN and MAN or WOMAN and WOMAN.
housetrax 3 years ago
eat crap
RICHMOND94114 3 years ago
There, judicial decisions approving same-sex marriage or even state laws barring discrimination can be used to pronounce any opposing moral or religious doctrine to be "contrary to public policy." So declared, it would be short work for a state attorney general's opinion to deny the tax-exempt status of charities and most orthodox Jewish, Christian and Islamic religious bodies. If enough state lawyers do this, expect the IRS to chime in.
Chicago Tribune: If gays marry, churches could suffer
housetrax 3 years ago
Well then FUCK the churches!! There's too many of the damn things to begin with. LOVE IS LOVE. Why should homosexuals be demoted to second class citizens BASED ON FEAR?
StJimmyHavok 3 years ago
Gay are not second class citizens. What a laugh.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
Yeah. Actually, with this law? THEY ARE. AND It's SAD.
Learn about what you're talking about before you go telling me off, mmmk?
StJimmyHavok 3 years ago
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No gay is deprived of any right that a non-gay has.
eternalwanker 3 years ago
Except for marriage is all they want. Marriage is a right, not a privilege. No matter what religion or bigotry has to say. LOVE IS LOVE.
StJimmyHavok 3 years ago 2
So, gays and lesbians CAN marry? If they can't marry then your statement is logically incorrect.
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