How old is nathan? I want to see his progress, i have a son too plays like that and i am teaching and talking to him, but i want to learn more on how to teach effectively...
Rainman is an autistic savant! It's completely different of autism! Don't care about their comments, they should read more books and being informed about autism and other difficulties! There are people who care for children with autism or other developmental issues.
@multisnootylives1 You are a fucking worthless piece of shit!!! You wouldnt say that if someone you loved had autism. No--fucking idiots like you dont know how to love! you are also probably a child molester. Hope you burn in hell you worthless excuse for a human !!!!!!!!!!!!
@multisnootylives1 No! It's not like that! You are completely wrong, it's better for you to read some scientific papers which show the effectiveness of ABA treatment on autism. Autistic people are not retards, among of them there are a looooot of genius people. Be careful regarding the way you use your language!
@hcvang ABA treatment is a very strict treatment which uses rewards in order the child could associate an action with positive reinforcement, feelings and memory and repeat the right behaviour.
Happiness, validation, play... of course it helps!
But don't kid yourselves. "high" or "normal" functioning is not non-autistic. If you saw me in public, you'd say my function is normal, but you'd be way off the mark. I'm 43, autistic, live in an adult foster home, and I have a PhD in nutrition.
We teach autistic children to mimic neurotypical people. That's still a shallow level of social learning, even when coupled with the operant conditioning.
292 Tigger: to respond to your question on ABA therapy. ABA stands for Applied Behavior Analysis. It helps children w/ autism to learn and to able to function in their environment in a control setting and eventually having them to able to function "normally". Yes, you want the child to be able to copy what you are doing that is the building point of a goal you eventually want to meet. The teacher is blowing bubbles and allowing the child to play with his train is because that is his reward.
This is Great! I have a 3 year old son with Autism, and I am always looking for new ways to help him... I already do a lot of at home therapy as well as homeschool with him. I couldn't help but notice how this type of therapy would really help my child with transitioning from one thing to another. Thank-you for posting this, I will look up more on this type of therapy!
This may seem like an ignorant question, I apologize if it does. However, I LOVE what I have seen on ABA therapy. But what is the goal behind him copying the therapist building the bricks?
ABA can do some amazing things for children. If anyone is interested in learning more about using the ABA therapy style, I recommend checking out the online company rethink autism (.com) - they provide online video lessons that show parents how to effectively teach their kids with autism.
notice how when he places the green block on the red block, he places it on precisely at first, then he moves it slightly to immitate the therapist's perfectly. Something worth noting i think. (2.10mins)
I want to say that this is a great video. AND I also want to say that comparing autism to aspergers is like comparing apples and oranges. The high functioning autistics don't truly know what it is like to see a child suffer by poking their eyes out, and pulling their hair out. NOONE should say anything about how autistics feel.. Talk about YOURSELF not our kids!!!!!!!!!!!
My 18 month old was diagnosed today. I hate the reactions I am getting from in-laws. They say he's lazy, stubborn and that he doesn't have it. They say he can't have it because he is smart, etc. I say autism isn't about intelligence. Then they say he doesn't act like Rainman, so he can't have it. These comments are so annoying!
@charityjunebug I suppose I'm fortunate that I don't have in laws to deal with, but just a little advice for your own peace of mind, trust the experts. Trust yourself. You are his parent, not your in laws, and you are going to know your child best. There are a lot of people with autism who are extremely intelligent. Autism isn't mental retardation as some would believe. That is why awareness is so important. It might help to look into some good, easy read books that explain it for your in laws.
good work on nathan this is great hes got autismm too hugh well who cares all we know izs that hes getting threpy oh yeah my name is luis but you can casll me by my youtube name after colloge i;m planning on opening a school for autistic kids and other disobiltys goodf luck hes doing good.
Regardless of what one thinks of ABA, it is gross ignorance to say that "autistics don't get annoyed or feel insultied, mainly because it is hard for them to actualize any feeling". I am autistic, and just because we don't show feelings in the typical ways, in ways that typical people can see our body language and understand what feeling produced it, doesn't mean those feelings don't exist. Whether someone can speak "I'm annoyed" or not, doesn't determine whether they can feel annoyed or not.
That's quite nice. Now, do you care to elaborate (e.g., reflect and articulate) upon what you see and think or do you or do you care to just leave it at a vapid statement of several words.
Or it could be that I am the only one who has seen the dissappointment and betrayal as well as pain on the face of a child so assaulted. Some adults are so blind , only see what they wanna see...I give up! But you will think of me and Nathan, next time you accidentally get the shampoo in your insensitive eyes...
Angel? About the soap in the eyes? Are we to assume that is a reasonable way to entice communication, or that a therapist does not know how to use bubbles and uses the anyway? To me that was my point, the most disturbing part of this piece, the rest of it seemed very lame, but relatively harmless.
The people who carry out this treatment have surely studied autism. I'm guessing you haven't? I'm sure the therapist will be doing things you won't understand because of your lack of knowledge.
I had a fairly accurate body of knowledge about soap bubbles in the face at a very early age. Again, you worshippers of authority figures, have missed my point entirely. When the child recoils to prevent the bubbles from hitting him, he is being mistreated, in my opinion. Nobody comments on my specific concern, just on my qualifications, or lack thereof. Pathetic.
Part. 2. Who are the worshippers of authority figures? People who can differntiate between thinking they know best and when someone else may know better or a person who propegates the PC BS that stops kids getting hugs and comfort from teachers when they fall over in the playground.
"worshippers of authority" was hyperbole to describe the blind faith many have in anyone who holds a degree, a position of authority, or wears a uniform. I never claimed to be a "therapist" or any kind of expert, I am only a parent. How dare I comment on her improper use of soap bubbles. I agree that the bubbles may be a very positive, gleeful expression of good results that can come from obedience, if she blows offside where he can fully enjoy them. Soap bubbles sting the eyes. Remember?
Part 1. I was commenting on your concern, just not directly. I was discrediting your concern by explaining that I don't think you know the whole pisture so therefore are being wrongly concerned. It's very nice that you do care for the kids well being!
It is just easier for me to put myself in the mind of a child, than a college degreed therapist. I have spent the last 32 years in 24/7 contact with my homeschooled kids, literally gallons of soap bubbles have flowed thru our home. Her one lapse in common sense makes me question the validity of her every move. I can't believe nobody sees that but me. Thru theeyes of a child or two, Linda
And I reiterate, you don't know the whole picture. Could there be a reason the bubbles are being blown into his face? It looks pretty deliberate to me. Perhaps it's to make a stronger connection?
Remeber Nathan is autistic and this treatment has made a big improvement to him.
I can understand that. Schooling your kids for the last 32 years will make you more empathic towards children than some people. It could also make you a bit over protective. Which could be why you're the only one concerened about the possibility of soap getting in Nathan's eyes.
i work with some adults that are classified as low functioning. I only can think that if all these teaching techniques were available going back 30 years ago, what a difference it would have made.
The way she keeps making him do the same stupidly simple building, takes the train away when he tries to be TRULY imaginative/communicative and the tops it all off with the "reward" of having bubbles blown into hi face is nauseating. Most everyone loves bubbles, almost nobody enjoys soap in their eyes. Obviously, I am no expert, but any dummy can see this will only lead to further frustration, and holds little chance of benefit.
ABA addresses surface behaviors, not individual developmental, sensory processing and family relationship pattern differences. The primary core deficits is the inability for the child to connect his intent to purposeful motor-planning,the emergence of ideas or symbols from fixed forms of perception and spontaneous expressive language use. ABA is does none of that. Furthermore, it is counter to the latest research in the neuorsciences.
I am a developmental therapist, who has successfully worked with at least a hundred children/families in the field during the last 6 years utilizing a comprehensive developmental approach, which ABA, from DTT to PRT, clearly is not. So please do enlighten me!
I'm sure you're very successful but I also would place bets you utilize principles of ABA in your work. I think a lot of people who say they don't like ABA simply don't like the "application" of ABA, whether it be DTT or PRT (which are just 2 of many "applications"). But this shouldn't refute the science itself. You do agree we teach in small steps (shaping) and provide assistance when needed (prompting) and we want to scale back our prompts as necessary, (fading)? It's all ABA!
If you understood something about a Dev. approach and how it is based upon an understanding of the child's emotional, sensory processing and nuturance based relationship patterns then you would see no commonality. We enter and join in the child's world, We do not regard "surface behaviors" but underlying processing and see them as opportunities for joint "meaning-making." The perpetuated myth of the "science" behind ABA is seriously flawed.
@lucy0617 Oh, the old 'everything is ABA' argument. Tell me, if that's true, why do we notice any difference when a kid is put in an ABA program? Shouldn't that be the same thing they're getting anyway?
And ABA's not a science. The science behind ABA is Behaviorism, and it's been disproven (it's partly true but oversimplifies things a lot). ABA is a treatment methodology inspired by Behaviorism, one that has shown pretty good results in the literature.
Additionally, 'emotionally meaningful back and forth' would not seem to generalize well to school, when a teacher "rewards" with a letter grade, perhaps a smiley face...
Not it would not, would it? That is precisely why it needs serious overhaul, which is slowly beginning. The traditional teacher reward/task performance is not only a "surface band-aid" but actually detrimental to emotional healthy growth and development.
From a Developmental perspective, the "reward" should be in the pleasure of the engagement itself and not in response for "performing the task" as directed. Furthermore, as the child engages in, for example, building blocks, then that building should be extended into emotionally meaningful back and forth circles of engagement that unfolds by following the Child's lead. Adult directed and rewarded tokens of praise effectively defeats more meaningful
If everything were child lead, it seems like that would be a detriment to teaching theory of mind, and would instead teach egocentrism. However, by watching this child it is easy to see that he is engaged and enjoying the interaction. I am sure later he will be playing with trains and blocks together.
Pleasurable back and forth interactions that are child lead is not child dominated but meaningful co-regulated interactions based upon child's natural impulses. Egocentrism is essential for the emergence of healthy autonomy, without that the ability for child to read emotional intent/ cues from others is impossible!
I like the bubbles as positive reinforcement. My nephew Casey, diagnosed at age two, has been receiving ABA therapy for the past 7 years--and has greatly improved.
How old is nathan? I want to see his progress, i have a son too plays like that and i am teaching and talking to him, but i want to learn more on how to teach effectively...
curashag 1 month ago
Rainman is an autistic savant! It's completely different of autism! Don't care about their comments, they should read more books and being informed about autism and other difficulties! There are people who care for children with autism or other developmental issues.
Psychology8Valerie 4 months ago
ABA is a lot of work. Autistic children are worthless retards who will never accomplish anything. ABA=waste of time
multisnootylives1 5 months ago
@multisnootylives1 What is your problem?
jjjjjokerface 5 months ago
@jjjjjokerface : don't feed the trolls ;)
coacaze 5 months ago
@multisnootylives1 You are a fucking worthless piece of shit!!! You wouldnt say that if someone you loved had autism. No--fucking idiots like you dont know how to love! you are also probably a child molester. Hope you burn in hell you worthless excuse for a human !!!!!!!!!!!!
gramma1965 4 months ago
@multisnootylives1 No! It's not like that! You are completely wrong, it's better for you to read some scientific papers which show the effectiveness of ABA treatment on autism. Autistic people are not retards, among of them there are a looooot of genius people. Be careful regarding the way you use your language!
Psychology8Valerie 4 months ago
What an amazing teacher.
mickmeggie 7 months ago
so ABA is kind of like bombarding the kid with positive and emotional enforcement and reward?
hcvang 10 months ago
@hcvang ABA treatment is a very strict treatment which uses rewards in order the child could associate an action with positive reinforcement, feelings and memory and repeat the right behaviour.
Psychology8Valerie 4 months ago
nt
ringofedwin 1 year ago
Happiness, validation, play... of course it helps!
But don't kid yourselves. "high" or "normal" functioning is not non-autistic. If you saw me in public, you'd say my function is normal, but you'd be way off the mark. I'm 43, autistic, live in an adult foster home, and I have a PhD in nutrition.
We teach autistic children to mimic neurotypical people. That's still a shallow level of social learning, even when coupled with the operant conditioning.
I don't have a better answer though.
dcs002 1 year ago
292 Tigger: to respond to your question on ABA therapy. ABA stands for Applied Behavior Analysis. It helps children w/ autism to learn and to able to function in their environment in a control setting and eventually having them to able to function "normally". Yes, you want the child to be able to copy what you are doing that is the building point of a goal you eventually want to meet. The teacher is blowing bubbles and allowing the child to play with his train is because that is his reward.
godshands89 2 years ago
This is Great! I have a 3 year old son with Autism, and I am always looking for new ways to help him... I already do a lot of at home therapy as well as homeschool with him. I couldn't help but notice how this type of therapy would really help my child with transitioning from one thing to another. Thank-you for posting this, I will look up more on this type of therapy!
TheMysticalMoon 2 years ago
This may seem like an ignorant question, I apologize if it does. However, I LOVE what I have seen on ABA therapy. But what is the goal behind him copying the therapist building the bricks?
292Tigger 2 years ago
Social receptivity. I was recently hired to work with children who have Autism using the ABA methodology.
Luv4Learning 2 years ago
ABA can do some amazing things for children. If anyone is interested in learning more about using the ABA therapy style, I recommend checking out the online company rethink autism (.com) - they provide online video lessons that show parents how to effectively teach their kids with autism.
knk0717 2 years ago
Is the therapist working inside the home? How long are the sessions? Where are Mom & Dad during the sessions?
researchologist 2 years ago
Your family is blessed!
luvtocheer98 3 years ago
Your therapist is very enthusiastic, and she seems to have a good way of directing his attention at things.
Chocolateluvr1987 3 years ago
Loved the therapists style! Wtg Nathan! Good job!
haysd2you 3 years ago
notice how when he places the green block on the red block, he places it on precisely at first, then he moves it slightly to immitate the therapist's perfectly. Something worth noting i think. (2.10mins)
alex01010101 3 years ago
I love this video so much!!
navywife1977 3 years ago
WHO CARES what you WERE????
I AM a mother. AND I SEE RESULTS DOING WHAT WE DO. SHUSH ABOUT OUR KIDS, birth your own and YAP about them!
navywife1977 3 years ago
I want to say that this is a great video. AND I also want to say that comparing autism to aspergers is like comparing apples and oranges. The high functioning autistics don't truly know what it is like to see a child suffer by poking their eyes out, and pulling their hair out. NOONE should say anything about how autistics feel.. Talk about YOURSELF not our kids!!!!!!!!!!!
navywife1977 3 years ago
My 18 month old was diagnosed today. I hate the reactions I am getting from in-laws. They say he's lazy, stubborn and that he doesn't have it. They say he can't have it because he is smart, etc. I say autism isn't about intelligence. Then they say he doesn't act like Rainman, so he can't have it. These comments are so annoying!
charityjunebug 3 years ago 6
And they are wrong. My daughter and I are both autistic, and we are sharp as tacks. :)
sillymummy 3 years ago 2
@charityjunebug I suppose I'm fortunate that I don't have in laws to deal with, but just a little advice for your own peace of mind, trust the experts. Trust yourself. You are his parent, not your in laws, and you are going to know your child best. There are a lot of people with autism who are extremely intelligent. Autism isn't mental retardation as some would believe. That is why awareness is so important. It might help to look into some good, easy read books that explain it for your in laws.
TheRealVenna 8 months ago
Right on, Nathan! You go, kiddo. His therapist is doing a great job...nice and enthusiastic. Congrats! -John
TheElliottFamily 3 years ago 4
Hi and thank you for your lovely comment. I will pass on your positive feed back to his ABA therapist.
All the best. Regards Michael.
milcraig 3 years ago
good work on nathan this is great hes got autismm too hugh well who cares all we know izs that hes getting threpy oh yeah my name is luis but you can casll me by my youtube name after colloge i;m planning on opening a school for autistic kids and other disobiltys goodf luck hes doing good.
lcl176 3 years ago
Hi and thank you for your lovely comment. All the best. Regards Michael.
milcraig 3 years ago
Regardless of what one thinks of ABA, it is gross ignorance to say that "autistics don't get annoyed or feel insultied, mainly because it is hard for them to actualize any feeling". I am autistic, and just because we don't show feelings in the typical ways, in ways that typical people can see our body language and understand what feeling produced it, doesn't mean those feelings don't exist. Whether someone can speak "I'm annoyed" or not, doesn't determine whether they can feel annoyed or not.
AuRatio 4 years ago
"Autistics don't get annoyed or feel insulted, mainly because it is hard for them to actualize any feeling."
Wrong! I'm autistic and I'm very annoyed and insulted by that statement.
Abnormaldiversity 4 years ago
ahhhh it's just a phase!
reyeskid 4 years ago
Yes he can. He is extremely good at following through with commands and asking for reinforcers on his own now.
Regards Michael.
milcraig 4 years ago
i like how she works with her child!
dbaby61 4 years ago
That's quite nice. Now, do you care to elaborate (e.g., reflect and articulate) upon what you see and think or do you or do you care to just leave it at a vapid statement of several words.
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Bistouk88 4 years ago
Or it could be that I am the only one who has seen the dissappointment and betrayal as well as pain on the face of a child so assaulted. Some adults are so blind , only see what they wanna see...I give up! But you will think of me and Nathan, next time you accidentally get the shampoo in your insensitive eyes...
lyflovr 4 years ago
BTW...anybody read Jenny Mc Carthy's article in People about her autistic boy? Clean diet helped hers and many others. Hmmm...
lyflovr 4 years ago
Angel? About the soap in the eyes? Are we to assume that is a reasonable way to entice communication, or that a therapist does not know how to use bubbles and uses the anyway? To me that was my point, the most disturbing part of this piece, the rest of it seemed very lame, but relatively harmless.
lyflovr 4 years ago
The people who carry out this treatment have surely studied autism. I'm guessing you haven't? I'm sure the therapist will be doing things you won't understand because of your lack of knowledge.
saggiehead 4 years ago
I had a fairly accurate body of knowledge about soap bubbles in the face at a very early age. Again, you worshippers of authority figures, have missed my point entirely. When the child recoils to prevent the bubbles from hitting him, he is being mistreated, in my opinion. Nobody comments on my specific concern, just on my qualifications, or lack thereof. Pathetic.
lyflovr 4 years ago
Part. 2. Who are the worshippers of authority figures? People who can differntiate between thinking they know best and when someone else may know better or a person who propegates the PC BS that stops kids getting hugs and comfort from teachers when they fall over in the playground.
saggiehead 4 years ago
"worshippers of authority" was hyperbole to describe the blind faith many have in anyone who holds a degree, a position of authority, or wears a uniform. I never claimed to be a "therapist" or any kind of expert, I am only a parent. How dare I comment on her improper use of soap bubbles. I agree that the bubbles may be a very positive, gleeful expression of good results that can come from obedience, if she blows offside where he can fully enjoy them. Soap bubbles sting the eyes. Remember?
lyflovr 4 years ago
Part 1. I was commenting on your concern, just not directly. I was discrediting your concern by explaining that I don't think you know the whole pisture so therefore are being wrongly concerned. It's very nice that you do care for the kids well being!
saggiehead 4 years ago
It is just easier for me to put myself in the mind of a child, than a college degreed therapist. I have spent the last 32 years in 24/7 contact with my homeschooled kids, literally gallons of soap bubbles have flowed thru our home. Her one lapse in common sense makes me question the validity of her every move. I can't believe nobody sees that but me. Thru theeyes of a child or two, Linda
lyflovr 4 years ago
And I reiterate, you don't know the whole picture. Could there be a reason the bubbles are being blown into his face? It looks pretty deliberate to me. Perhaps it's to make a stronger connection?
Remeber Nathan is autistic and this treatment has made a big improvement to him.
saggiehead 4 years ago
I can understand that. Schooling your kids for the last 32 years will make you more empathic towards children than some people. It could also make you a bit over protective. Which could be why you're the only one concerened about the possibility of soap getting in Nathan's eyes.
saggiehead 4 years ago
So she is trying to make him angry, aahhh. That ought to produce an interesting adolescent. I'm sure we will see him actualize some emotions then.
lyflovr 4 years ago
I would have thought all emotions would need to be encouraged to give balance? That's just a guess but seems like common sense.
saggiehead 4 years ago
i work with some adults that are classified as low functioning. I only can think that if all these teaching techniques were available going back 30 years ago, what a difference it would have made.
Jckojcko 4 years ago
The way she keeps making him do the same stupidly simple building, takes the train away when he tries to be TRULY imaginative/communicative and the tops it all off with the "reward" of having bubbles blown into hi face is nauseating. Most everyone loves bubbles, almost nobody enjoys soap in their eyes. Obviously, I am no expert, but any dummy can see this will only lead to further frustration, and holds little chance of benefit.
lyflovr 4 years ago
thank , good job.
angelofautism 4 years ago
ABA addresses surface behaviors, not individual developmental, sensory processing and family relationship pattern differences. The primary core deficits is the inability for the child to connect his intent to purposeful motor-planning,the emergence of ideas or symbols from fixed forms of perception and spontaneous expressive language use. ABA is does none of that. Furthermore, it is counter to the latest research in the neuorsciences.
Neilgs 4 years ago
You clearly don't know anything about ABA, or what's been told to you has been misinformation.
lucy0617 4 years ago
I am a developmental therapist, who has successfully worked with at least a hundred children/families in the field during the last 6 years utilizing a comprehensive developmental approach, which ABA, from DTT to PRT, clearly is not. So please do enlighten me!
Neilgs 4 years ago
I'm sure you're very successful but I also would place bets you utilize principles of ABA in your work. I think a lot of people who say they don't like ABA simply don't like the "application" of ABA, whether it be DTT or PRT (which are just 2 of many "applications"). But this shouldn't refute the science itself. You do agree we teach in small steps (shaping) and provide assistance when needed (prompting) and we want to scale back our prompts as necessary, (fading)? It's all ABA!
lucy0617 4 years ago 4
If I was you do not place more than a penny.
If you understood something about a Dev. approach and how it is based upon an understanding of the child's emotional, sensory processing and nuturance based relationship patterns then you would see no commonality. We enter and join in the child's world, We do not regard "surface behaviors" but underlying processing and see them as opportunities for joint "meaning-making." The perpetuated myth of the "science" behind ABA is seriously flawed.
Neilgs 4 years ago
@lucy0617 Oh, the old 'everything is ABA' argument. Tell me, if that's true, why do we notice any difference when a kid is put in an ABA program? Shouldn't that be the same thing they're getting anyway?
And ABA's not a science. The science behind ABA is Behaviorism, and it's been disproven (it's partly true but oversimplifies things a lot). ABA is a treatment methodology inspired by Behaviorism, one that has shown pretty good results in the literature.
Abnormaldiversity 1 year ago
you need to shut up
dbaby61 4 years ago
Additionally, 'emotionally meaningful back and forth' would not seem to generalize well to school, when a teacher "rewards" with a letter grade, perhaps a smiley face...
grnidgoddss 4 years ago
Not it would not, would it? That is precisely why it needs serious overhaul, which is slowly beginning. The traditional teacher reward/task performance is not only a "surface band-aid" but actually detrimental to emotional healthy growth and development.
Neilgs 4 years ago
From a Developmental perspective, the "reward" should be in the pleasure of the engagement itself and not in response for "performing the task" as directed. Furthermore, as the child engages in, for example, building blocks, then that building should be extended into emotionally meaningful back and forth circles of engagement that unfolds by following the Child's lead. Adult directed and rewarded tokens of praise effectively defeats more meaningful
emotional development.
Neilgs 4 years ago
If everything were child lead, it seems like that would be a detriment to teaching theory of mind, and would instead teach egocentrism. However, by watching this child it is easy to see that he is engaged and enjoying the interaction. I am sure later he will be playing with trains and blocks together.
grnidgoddss 4 years ago
Pleasurable back and forth interactions that are child lead is not child dominated but meaningful co-regulated interactions based upon child's natural impulses. Egocentrism is essential for the emergence of healthy autonomy, without that the ability for child to read emotional intent/ cues from others is impossible!
Neilgs 4 years ago
I like the bubbles as positive reinforcement. My nephew Casey, diagnosed at age two, has been receiving ABA therapy for the past 7 years--and has greatly improved.
JeanWalton 4 years ago
We certainly will be as soon as we can find or film more material. Thank you for your support.
milcraig 4 years ago