I'm totally against abortions and I love that they are holding signs showing people what they're doing. I hope that this group opens up a lot of peoples' minds that abortions are wrong.
Hey, I'm not gonna sue you...I don't have any kids in those schools, but I did demonstrate that what you are doing could be against the law, and you have demonstrated by your comments and conduct that you are willing to break the law until forced to stop by a judge. I think that speaks volumes as to your cause, your character, and your intent. 'Nuf said.
(3) Where consent by all parties is needed pursuant to this chapter, consent shall be considered obtained whenever one party has announced to all other parties engaged in the communication or conversation, in any reasonably effective manner, that such communication or conversation is about to be recorded or transmitted: PROVIDED, That if the conversation is to be recorded that said announcement shall also be recorded.
@SomechoicesRwrong People like you do nothing for your cause. I read your conversation w/ Rogue, and you are disgusting.
'demonstrated by your comments and conduct that you are willing to break the law until forced to stop by a judge'
What he said is true about you and a lot of your ilk. People like you are the ones who incite shootings and rapes and burglaries b/c labeling people murderers ect, then actively seeking to make available their whereabouts... like you want to see them get hurt.
Hey, I'm no lawyer, but I'm betting forwarding this YouTube link to the School District and the parents of some of these kids might result in some genuine unpleasntness for your cause. Maybe you should refrain from videotaping other people's kids. Might wanna.
Intercepting, recording, or divulging private communication — Consent required — Exceptions.
(1) Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, it shall be unlawful for any individual, partnership, corporation, association, or the state of Washington, its agencies, and political subdivisions to intercept, or record any: (b) Private conversation, by any device electronic or otherwise designed to record or transmit such conversation...
@RoguePlanet "...proof enough for you?" LOL! Hardly. The only proof I'll accept that I'm breaking the law is a court order from a judge.
"Hey, I'm no lawyer"
Had me fooled.
"I'm betting forwarding this YouTube link to the School District and the parents of some of these kids might result in some genuine unpleasntness for your cause."
Do you think we're trying to win a popularity contest? Have you actually watched any of our videos? Yes, people get "unpleasant" with us...daily.
@SomechoicesRwrong 'trying to win a popularity contest' you'd be on to a loser there, since most Americans are prochoice. As for your pictures, there's some graphic ones of women who've died having illegal abortions,one with her intestines coming out of her vagina.Would that be fair to make kids look at that?
Which says far more about you than it does about me. You're clearly intent on breaking the law until someone proves it to you...and even then. Your wisdom does not impress.
@RoguePlanet All it says is that a lot of people think we're breaking the law, but not one of them has brought us to court. You think that means we're breaking the law. I'm daring you to prove it. But like the hundreds of others before you, you won't. Because after you get off the phone with your lawyer or the police you'll realize that you were wrong all along. No laws were broken.
If that's the way you want it, I was just trying to let you know that publishing these conversations may be a violation of the law, but I suppose the parents of these kids could use the free money. Okay, I'll take your advice.
Generally, any audio recording of a conversation in Washington State is subject to the Two Party rule, in that both parties (or, in this case, all parties) engaged in a recorded conversarion must give consent to their voices being recorded. As minors cannot enter into legal contracts without their parents' consent, they cannot consent to your recording their voices. Therefore, if I understand correctly, you are in violation of the law in Washington State by publishing these conversations with
Anti-choice project and Westboro Church tormenting us daily thanks to free speech.... I don't think free speech was intended for these pricks to force their views on us and in such hostile manners while expecting to be protected from the hostile reactions they have initiated. Hey criminals I ain't saying nothing if you find these guys in a dark alley.
I also want to say that you are filming kids who aren't even talking to, who aren't causing you a problem, who aren't near you. I hope the parents of those children take legal action for filming their children. You better never show up at my kids school.
@Lady0Pamela You are not the first angry parent to see us filming their kids. Problem is, there is no legal action to take. Ever taken a camera to the beach, LadyPamela?
"You better never show up at my kids school."
Keep an eye out. We are expanding to more and more cities. We have every intention to bring the pictures to your kids school as well.
@tomherring So you do intentially show your pictures to children, preborn your good, preschool your fucked. Don't worry I have my eye out for you, and I when I find you I will be down at the intersection before you warning people to turn to avoid your pictures. I will be there with pro-choice literature. I will tell young girls to not let you make them feel bad about who they are and the choices they have made or will make. I will be there to ensure you do not get the reactions you want.
@Lady0Pamela We intentionally show our pictures to teenagers, because someone old enough to have an abortion is old enough to see an abortion.
I hope you come out with your warning signs, as it will only make people curious to see what all the fuss is about. "Graphic signs ahead? I can handle it, I'm gonna check it out."
They will contrast your pro-choice literature with a photo of what you defend -- of what is being chosen.
If abortion is too terrible to look at, why are we tolerating it?
@tomherring Pictures of war, death penalty, putting animals to sleep, etc are terrible to look at but we tolerate those? Do you wish to end war, the death penalty, or euthanizing animals? Mine will not just say Graphic signs, mine won't be for sick peoples curiousity it will to be to warn those who don't want to see your pictures to turn now.Your signs don't change my mind, why do you think they will change the minds of others? You're not the first to hold up these signs, not even the last.
@Lady0Pamela The press prints headlines with images of soldiers killed in action all the time. I don't know anyone who opposes putting animals to sleep. But these are all periphery arguments used to distract from the one at hand. Please stay focused. Defend baby killing on its merits.
Regarding your sign, whatever it says will draw attn to our signs, so we welcome your presence. People are far more curious than you give them credit for.
Yes the pictures change minds. Babies have been saved.
@tomherring I bet you would be singing a different story though if I stood out in front of your kids school, fav restraunt, holding signs of mutalited animals, but lets stay on point. You ppl always claim that you have changed minds and babies have been saved, but you always lack showing any evidence. Everytime you do provide evidence it is clearly fabricated as it's one of your own pretending they were going to have an abortion and you changed her mind. I don't have to defend my belief to you.
You stupid fucks. Please, go get a life instead of forcing people to see your grotesque point of view. Have your opinion but don't force it on us minors. YES. I go to that fucking high school and it would be much appreciated if you went somewhere else to spread your crazy bullshit.
Pro life douchebags are wrong. They supposedly beleive in censorship but their showing these disgusting pics. I'm pro choice I am not an incubator for some stupid ass fetus that is not even a person yet. My body My life My choice.
3: 21 - "I would rather see one little fetus without a brain (or any brain activity) dead, than 3 lives ruined... The Father, the Mother, and the Kid... The illegitimate child."
3:34 - "One life isn't worht the life of 3... It's just not."
You sick-fuck little gaggle of homo baby-killers... IT IS A TRAVESTY TO MURDER A CHILD IN ORDER TO LIVE LIFE AS YOU WISH.
And people wonder why some of those fetuses escape near abortions growing up to murder baby-killers later in life. DIE COMMIES!
You are technically harassing minors & recording children without parental consent. Pretty much 90% of people there were uncomfortable. Abortion is a womans choice, do you really wish to take away more women rights? A baby is not tech. born until it comes out of the womb. A woman who is raped, or completely incapable of giving birth to the child and may even die in the process, or if the baby is incapable of surviving the pregnancy, or if the baby dies during pregnancy, should not be born. GTFO
As a moderate pro choice person, do you still think that abortion is wrong if it's a 12 year old girl that was impregnated by her father or if it carrying a baby will kill a woman?
I like how you say you've videotaped your protest but you aren't pointing it at the students you were talking to. That kind of defeats your argument that you were doing it for your safety. You videotaped students who weren't involved with it. Thats just wrong and a little creepy.
I understand your right to free speech and all that but seriously, you wouldn't get away with that at an elementary school, even if you were in a public place.
This is extreme. no one, not even i who's prolife, commends you d-bags for filming MY FRIENDS for your own personal gain to bring up the attention against abortion. we are not ignorant of the situation. why are you coming to this school like we're just a bunch of ghetto, sexually-active pricks. i'll be fightin for rights to privacy. you have no buisiness showing up in front of MY SCHOOL recording people without consent (4:48). and seriously, you BOUGHT THEM?! (5:40) that is just sad. pedophiles
This is extreme. no one, not even i who's prolife, commends you d-bags for filming MY FRIENDS for your own personal gain to bring up the attention against abortion. we are not ignorant of the situation. why are you coming to this school like we're just a bunch of ghetto, sexually-active pricks. i'll be fightin for rights to privacy. you have no buisiness showing up in front of MY SCHOOL recording people without consent (4:48). and seriously, you BOUGHT THEM?! (5:40) that is just sad. pedophiles
@Seishintsuki LOL. Legal...and expensive. The law doesn't really care how you damage our equipment. You (or your parents) will be made to pay the replacement costs.
You must be one of those students Hades2004 was talking about on the other BHS video.
You, uh, just talked yourself into a corner. "Legal.... the law" lol k. You didn't do too well in debates did ya? Although I suppose if you did, you wouldn't say half the things you do in your videos. :3
@Seishintsuki Its also legal for them to take the camera to a store and have the guy there to fix it. Try bringing an aborted kid back to life. Whoops!
Then when is free speech protected then? Only when it agrees with the agenda of the media and uninformed school children? If they were on the side walk, they have every right under this Constitution to say what they want to say, and show what they want to show. Just because you don't like has doesn't mean in any way they aren't allowed showing it.
its funny you bitch about your first amendment rights and OC but you as family values conservatives would want to take away the first amendment rights of hugh hefner and larry flynt
I agree with you! anti-abortion. Even highschoolers should know that it is murder, but obviously these guys don't know, so I understand why you are standing there. Just becareful.
@itachicloud Girls who have had miscarriages know the pain of losing a child. They have a personal and heightened sensitivity to the fragility of an unborn baby. And while it may pain them even more than others to look upon the remains of a baby who was killed by abortion, they too must see the horror of "choice" if it's to ever end.
Someone who knows the emotions of love and grief which accompany natural abortion should be all the more vocal against the barbarity of unnatural abortion.
@ribbot123 No one wants to see, but this happens 3,500 a day in America and Americans need to see it.
If you believe abortion should be lawful, you deserve to be forced to look at what you support. If you oppose abortion but are doing little to stop it, you deserve to be forced to look at what your apathy enables.
If you want the pictures to stop, get the killing to stop.
I find it ironic that there is all this chaff about videotaping high school students by high school age students, but I see a ton of videos posted by high school students showing practical jokes done on kids even younger that are complete strangers to them which has nothing but support from their peers. The only reason there is any objection to the video taping here is because they think it is the only leg they can stand on. But it isn't. This is all legal. Just like those practical jokes
Come on anti choice project please tell me how would you feel if someone filmed your kid walking down a public street and posted that on the internet. how would you react?
@AntiChoiceProject a public sidewalk yes, and you were also recording underage kids and were being recorded without their consent. you also posted this on youtube without their consent.
@quarf53206 Our primary reason for the cameras is security (see, for instance, the video uploaded when we were confronted by Chad Smalley in Poulsbo). Shortly after purchasing the cameras, we realized an unforseen benefit of filming was catching pro-aborts doing what they do best, and uploading the footage to youtube for all to see.
No I haven't. the point is, I dont like being recorded without my consent and i know that most of those kids (who for the most part were or are under 18) feel the same way as me. If you're using the cameras for security, fine, but why upload your security footage to a public site? i believe that you were using the cameras for security but is it really necessary to upload it on youtube?
@AntiChoiceProject do you any of you think that you will make people sympathetic to your cause by talking down to them and treating them like they are stupid
@chrisismename i find it funny how they are willing to post videos of other peoples kids on the internet but if someone posted a video of one of their kids on the internet they would be livid
you men (or should i say boys) are truly just insensitive to people. and complete douchebags. you seem to think us teenagers are sponges who suck up all your stupid information. fuck you. i saw you guys, and you've probably never been put in a position where you need to have an abortion. just because you haven't experienced real life like som have doesnt mean you can "protest" i hope you feel great about yourself. go protest for something more important like the millions starving, who are alive.
Also posting videos of children that arent yours on the internet doesnt make people sympathetic to you, You may not be breaking any laws but come on. If somebody went up to one of your kids while they were walking dow the street and filmed them and put that on the internet you people would be livid. and yet you would be okay doing it yourself
What you should realize is your incredible “Chad Johnson” type arrogance doesn’t make people sympathetic to you. You say pro choice people just want to “Kill babies” when most of us just want to leave people alone
@AntiChoiceProject but you say that its a parents job to do that. i mean you say the government should stay out of peoples lives but you want to pick the issues
@Seahawks2380 I think you're misquoting us. Here is what Tom Herring said (note the last two sentences): "I think matters of sexual behavior should be relegated to parents, not dictated from the chalk board. I think our public school system has enough trouble teaching students math, history, science, English and current events. I'm all for teaching kids about Darfur and the Holocaust. But let's not cover up the American holocaust."
Fetuses which don't have deep interpersonal relationships, which have no idea who its parents are, which doesn't even know what ITSELF is (it's not even sentient).
Did you know what it felt like to be a fetus?
What did it feel like?
Were you bored during that long gestation period, with nothing to do?
What about rape?
It sounds the same as a sperm cell or egg cell, rather than a person, don't you agree?
Then neither do eldery people who suffer from dementia or alzhiemers. Then neither do people born without certain mental capabilities. Mabye we should just kill them too, since they dont qualify with your subjective definition of personhood.
oh my god. "if I have to file a police report" does he think that we are going to attck him oh my gosh high schoolers we are going to get jumped!
'your the high schooler I'm the grad student" now he thinks he's better then us. jerk face. and most people dont have kids when they're 21. These people holding the signs make me want to become pro choice, what right do they have to tell US what to do with OUR bodies!?!? In all honesty I am against abortion but these signs have made me reconsider.
@tomherring you really dont see anything wrong with shoving you views down the throats of other peoples kids. You really dont? If you film this stuff just for your safety then why do post it on the internet
(continued) It's none of your fucking business what a woman wants to do with her body and her life, if someone feels that they aren't ready to have a baby, then I say let her do what she wants. Thats why we're in america. So fuck you if you think that you can tell someone what they can and can't do with their OWN body, because again, its none of your fucking business.
who the hell are you guys to tell somebody that they can't have an abortion? Um, excuse me, but the last time I checked, this is my body to do with as I fucking please. Somebody elses abortion is not going to affect any body but the woman having the abortion, and the CLOSE people in her life, not these rude asswholes holding up signs of dead fetuses.
only a Jackass would film a minor and interview a minor and put it on the internet. If you were filming a basketball game and put that online no one would have a problem but you are up close and interviewing people who its easy to tell dont know that they are being filmed. so only a Jackass would do what you are doing
@hugabug007 i would have to agree. they say its for protection. I can understand that. So why post on the internet. they say no privacy in a public place. this is like taking a camera to a beach. But people who film at the beach dont go up and interview the children there
you video taped my school without ANYONE's concent, then making fun of people? yeah you guys are doing a fucking awesome job supporting your cause you assholes. oh and by the way, video taping minors without permission is illegal, fuck off
@redhead14109 You need not get anyone's consent to video record in a public setting. You do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy when you are out in public. So says our courts. Sorry, them's the rules.
We have broken no laws. Hence the reason we can continue exposing abortion on the sidewalks of your school. We'll be back again; may as well get used to it.
@tomherring The graphic pictures will continue until you assimulate. All you are doing is making people used to seeing the pictures thus having them lose relevance to your mission. Like in Australia when they put those graphic images on cigerrettes, at first ppl were disgusted, some covered them with stickers, but eventually they felt nothing for the images. So once we get used to you, then what? Will you start holding up dead fetus' till we get used to that.
i will always say this You family values conservatives just annoy me to tears. You want the world to be like it was in the 1950's. You say the government should stay out of peoples lives. Except when it comes to anything that could be defined as immoral. Ban PORN and pre marital sex. Ban nose rings and Tattoos. Thats a family values conservatives WET DREAM!
They arent suppost to video tape students without parental permission/consent saying that they can tape those students. They should have to blur over faces, or they can be sued. They made alot of students uncomfortable being RIGHT infront of the school this year, and possibly last year.
As for assisted suicide, yes I'm against killing innocent human beings; even those who ask me to kill them.
It is not normal for someone to wish they were dead. In the vast majority of cases, a person who wants to die is suffering from depression, and once the depression is treated they no longer want to die.
We live in a culture of death. We resort to killing people as a means of solving our problems (abortion, embryonic stem cell research, assisted suicide).
@tomherring i can see you have logged on since my assisted suicide and stem cell question. Why no response? Why are you for making someone who is suffering from a terminal illness suffer? why shouldnt stem cells that will be thrown away anyway be used to alleviate suffering?
@quarf53206 Quarf, I'm not sure what you are talking about. I've made two posts in response to your questions about euthanasia and research on embryonic humans. Just scroll down.
@tomherring you didnt address terminally ill people with euthanasia. You dont seem to understand that science takes time. if science was as easy as you expect the world would have cured every disease already.
I don't have any problem with adult stem cell research. I have big problems with any research that involves killing other human beings...which is precisely what research on embryonic humans does.
Not only is embryonic stem cell research morally problematic, for all its promises, it has been..how shall we say..disappointing. Can't post links in youtube, but check out:
stemcellresearch (dot) org
Scroll down and click on the link on the right: "Stem Cell Research Treatments"
So you dont seem to understand that science takes time. As far as i know you cant grow a kid in a petri dish. Also arent they going to be thrown away anyway?
I don't have any problem with adult stem cell research. I have big problems with any research that involves killing other human beings...which is precisely what research on embryonic humans does.
Not only is embryonic stem cell research morally problematic, for all its promises, it has been....how shall we say....mildly disappointing. Can't post links in youtube, but check out:
25% of the 1.3 million abortions in America every year are committed by women 18-24 years old. And I would venture to say the majority of those are committed in large part because of scumbag boyfriends who are indifferent ("I support whatever you decide"), unsupportive ("I don't want a baby"), or outright threatening ("If you don't have an abortion, I'm leaving you").
So yes, these kids desperately need to see what abortion looks like -- what it does to a helpless baby with fingers and toes.
@tomherring I beat if men had babies they wouldn't be standing out there protesting this....it is always men and women who are so ugly no one wants to impregnate them. Maybe you should work on the problem so women don't have to make the choice instead of playing on their emotions. Anti-choicers are always the same, preborn your good, preschool your fucked.
"its easy to tell that you arent changing their minds." -quarf
Perhaps. Maybe their minds won't change this year. Maybe it will take five years of seeing the pictures before they agree, killing a baby is a bad choice.
Regardless of whether or not our pictures end abortion though, they end the pretending.
" why not try to influence the minds of people who matter." -quarf
High school kids matter a great deal. Their chances of facing a crisis pregnancy in the next 5 years is very high
"Like a boil that can never be cured as long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its pus-flowing ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must likewise be exposed, with all of the tension its exposing creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Quarf, of course people think we're morons. Effective social reformers are rarely liked or appreciated. And social reformers who are liked are rarely effective. People don't want to see babies chopped to pieces -- we get that. But people MUST see babies chopped to pieces if there is going to be any hope of ending this crime against humanity.
Injustices do not end on their own, and they do not end when they are covered up. Dr. Martin Luther King got it right: (next post..)
its easy to tell that all the kids think you are moron. its easy to tell that you arent changing their minds. if changing abortion laws mean so much to you. why not try to influence the minds of people who matter. you family values conservative just annoy me because you want the world to be just like "Leave to beaver". Do you have a problem with stem cell research or Assisted suicide
Abortion, theft, slavery, rape, child abuse, and murder have all been around since before Rome was a power. The only losers behind the times are those who think baby killing is still a good idea.
Because our schools should be educating students about the truth. They don't seem to have a problem showing students pictures of genocide from the past. Why not pictures of genocide from the present?
Neither do they have a problem showing students how to use a condom (implying, of course, that there's nothing wrong with teens sleeping around). If a school is going to encourage teens to engage in sex, they ought to at least have the decency to show them what happens if they commit an abortion.
@tomherring but i thought you family values conservatives thought that the school system (aka government) should stay out of things that parents should be teaching their kids.
I can't speak for every person against abortion, but I am a family values conservative who thinks public schools should not be teaching kids how to put on a condom.
I think matters of sexual behavior should be relegated to parents, not dictated from the chalk board. I think our public school system has enough trouble teaching students math, history, science, English and current events. I'm all for teaching kids about Darfur and the Holocaust. But let's not cover up the American holocaust.
@tomherring Alot of parents don't teach their kids about sex and have no idea what to do. Why do you think that health teachers aren't effective. I agree we should teach abstinance.
I don't know the numbers (doubtful anyone does) but I would say *some parents don't teach their kids about sex. I bet the majority do have a conversation with their kids about it.
Still, I don't think this subject is proper to the role of the state. And when the state assumes authority in this area, who can doubt that it leads to many more parents sensing their duty to form their children's sexual attitudes and behavior has been relieved entirely?
Yep, I really do. I think sex-ed implementation has a lot to do with the number of teens engaging in sex today.
A school that teaches 15 year olds about how to have "safe sex" is really saying, "Hey, I know it's hard to exercise self-control. And that's okay. When the time comes, just make sure you know how to use these various devices."
That, my friend, is encouragement to a 15 year old with raging hormones. It's asking for trouble. Take a look around, quarf.
@tomherring I think when most where that age they didnt need encouragement from a teacher to have sex. wouldnt you agree though that if one doesnt want to have a baby at any age they should use birth control?
Teens don't need any more encouragement from teachers to engage in sex -- yes, that's my point exactly. Teachers should be cautioning students *NOT* to have sex because the consequences are so dire.
I believe if someone doesn't want to have a baby they should practice natural birth control. Which, by the way, works 100% of the time.
@tomherring so lets say they are two married people in their 30's who dont want children. you think two married adults that dont want kids shouldnt have sex at all
I think that frustrating the act of sex in order to divorce its natural life-giving aspect from its natural unitive aspect is un-natural, unhealthy biologically, and unhealthy emotionally.
I think it reduces sex -- the most intimate and personal of human relations -- to recreation and self-interest, as opposed to what the act signifies: self-donation. A total gifting of your entire self to your spouse, and your spouse back to you...everything, including your natural fertility.
@tomherring so only have sex if you can have kids? what if someone has had kids but doesnt want anymore should they just wait until one of the people in Marriage is sterile? do you have a problem with someone mastubating?
Anyone who has sex should only do so accepting the possibility that children may be conceived.
For the legitimate intentions on the part of spouses to space, or even avoid the conception of children, methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality. These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom.
@tomherringTeens don't need any more encouragement from teachers to engage in sex. if someone is determined to do something risky they are going to do it. its better that they know how to do the risky thing safely
About the rape/pregnancy/abortion argument: Look at the faces of the babies killed by a "pro-choice" abortion. Ask yourself which were conceived by love, lust, rape or what. More to the point, however, pregnancy is prevented in a rape victim through immediate and appropriate medical care. This care is needed for other practical reasons (e.g. crime evidence). Abortionists exploit the rape/pregnancy/abortion argument to promote their political goal: forced taxpayer funding of abortion-on-demand.
Mommy and daddy will hurt their children. Try fighting for starilizing the drug addicts and rapists. I would rather see a child die with no memory then a child living with being raped. AND having to carry out the child after being raped?? funny how the average person fighting for this is A MAN!!
Why are my only options either: (A) Kill the child or (B) Rape the child? And how do you know all 1.3 million American babies aborted this year would have been rape victims? Why can't children who are not wanted by their biological parents be placed for adoption? Why do we have to solve our own problems by killing innocent children?
hopefully people will see whats wrong with abortion. Slavery and Racism both started out with people speaking out even though people didn't want to hear it.
I'm afraid it's going to take a lot more than speaking out against abortion if we're ever going to convince this country that abortion is sufficiently evil to make it illegal.
If I tell someone abortion is wrong, it's just my opinion, which they can easily shrug off as quickly as I can ignore their opinion of vanilla ice cream.
But if I prove to them that abortion is an act of unspeakable violence against a baby, they might change their mind. Pictures must be used.
Many think of abortion as an advance of women's rights.
It's really just a triumph of irresponsible men over vulnerable women. And the women bear almost the full weight of the pain of regret. Pain that lasts a lifetime.
On another note, to others, if you don't want to see the lives of 3 people ruined over the possible life of 1, then keep your damned sex organs in your pants, and have sex when you're ready to make a child, because that's what the whole process is for. Just because something is pleasurable doesn't mean it's what you should be allowed to do at any given moment.
The mother being on the brink of death and some instances of rape (non-alcohol/party) are the only justification I see for abortion.
People do not like to face guilt for their thoughts and actions, so by showing them these pictures they will invariably blame "you" for their mental discomfort. Your actions and sense of responsibility, though honorable, is lacking conscience & understanding. Being patient for others is extremely tiring, especially when they're being vehemently stupid but, trying to fix things in this way is actually weakening people's conscience as it barge into peoples minds—It's the right superior temporal
Elements such as these will raise the emotional significance of the consequence; they will increase the splat at the bottom of the cliff. In this case, thinking about the baby may take top priority and move images about sex to the mental back burner. Sex would then be seen as an incidental benefit en route to the major hurdle of caring for a baby. (footnote) Not only does behavior change, but attitude as well.
On the other hand, suppose that getting pregnant carries with it a major social stigma, that abortion clinics do not exist, that becoming a mother forces a girl to drop out of school and to get a menial job with low wages, that having a baby leads automatically to the restriction of marriage, and that no government handouts exist for single mothers.
If some stranger turned up and videoed the cameramans kids, these idiots would be singing a different tune. Creeps.
dianalee84 4 days ago
OHH MY FUCKING GOD...JUSS GET OUT OF THE FUCKING PICTURE IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE IN IT..
TheBandgeek129 5 days ago
this is retarded whos idea was it to fucking go to a high school with images like this and me sane
15damm7 1 month ago
@15damm7 .....there the people who have the most abortions are high schoolers so its perfectly logical
TheBandgeek129 5 days ago
@TheBandgeek129 not really causing chaos and upseting high school students yea real logical, idiots
15damm7 7 hours ago
I'm totally against abortions and I love that they are holding signs showing people what they're doing. I hope that this group opens up a lot of peoples' minds that abortions are wrong.
illninodude987 4 months ago in playlist More videos from AntiChoiceProject
listening to these repulsive teenagers makes me think maybe abortion isn't such a bad idea for americans. glad i'm irish right now. wow.
francishughes81 4 months ago
Hey, I'm not gonna sue you...I don't have any kids in those schools, but I did demonstrate that what you are doing could be against the law, and you have demonstrated by your comments and conduct that you are willing to break the law until forced to stop by a judge. I think that speaks volumes as to your cause, your character, and your intent. 'Nuf said.
RoguePlanet 4 months ago
(3) Where consent by all parties is needed pursuant to this chapter, consent shall be considered obtained whenever one party has announced to all other parties engaged in the communication or conversation, in any reasonably effective manner, that such communication or conversation is about to be recorded or transmitted: PROVIDED, That if the conversation is to be recorded that said announcement shall also be recorded.
RoguePlanet 4 months ago
@RoguePlanet "(3) Where consent by all parties is needed..."
blah blah blah.
Like I said before. Enough talk already. Bring the lawsuit.
SomechoicesRwrong 4 months ago
@SomechoicesRwrong People like you do nothing for your cause. I read your conversation w/ Rogue, and you are disgusting.
'demonstrated by your comments and conduct that you are willing to break the law until forced to stop by a judge'
What he said is true about you and a lot of your ilk. People like you are the ones who incite shootings and rapes and burglaries b/c labeling people murderers ect, then actively seeking to make available their whereabouts... like you want to see them get hurt.
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
Keep in mind that this:
RoguePlanet 4 months ago
Hey, I'm no lawyer, but I'm betting forwarding this YouTube link to the School District and the parents of some of these kids might result in some genuine unpleasntness for your cause. Maybe you should refrain from videotaping other people's kids. Might wanna.
RoguePlanet 4 months ago
RCW 9.73.030
Intercepting, recording, or divulging private communication — Consent required — Exceptions.
(1) Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, it shall be unlawful for any individual, partnership, corporation, association, or the state of Washington, its agencies, and political subdivisions to intercept, or record any: (b) Private conversation, by any device electronic or otherwise designed to record or transmit such conversation...
...proof enough for you?
RoguePlanet 4 months ago
@RoguePlanet "...proof enough for you?" LOL! Hardly. The only proof I'll accept that I'm breaking the law is a court order from a judge.
"Hey, I'm no lawyer"
Had me fooled.
"I'm betting forwarding this YouTube link to the School District and the parents of some of these kids might result in some genuine unpleasntness for your cause."
Do you think we're trying to win a popularity contest? Have you actually watched any of our videos? Yes, people get "unpleasant" with us...daily.
SomechoicesRwrong 4 months ago
@SomechoicesRwrong 'trying to win a popularity contest' you'd be on to a loser there, since most Americans are prochoice. As for your pictures, there's some graphic ones of women who've died having illegal abortions,one with her intestines coming out of her vagina.Would that be fair to make kids look at that?
dianalee84 1 month ago
Which says far more about you than it does about me. You're clearly intent on breaking the law until someone proves it to you...and even then. Your wisdom does not impress.
RoguePlanet 4 months ago
@RoguePlanet All it says is that a lot of people think we're breaking the law, but not one of them has brought us to court. You think that means we're breaking the law. I'm daring you to prove it. But like the hundreds of others before you, you won't. Because after you get off the phone with your lawyer or the police you'll realize that you were wrong all along. No laws were broken.
SomechoicesRwrong 4 months ago
If that's the way you want it, I was just trying to let you know that publishing these conversations may be a violation of the law, but I suppose the parents of these kids could use the free money. Okay, I'll take your advice.
RoguePlanet 4 months ago
@RoguePlanet You are not the first person to tell us we are breaking the law. Not even the hundredth.
SomechoicesRwrong 4 months ago
Generally, any audio recording of a conversation in Washington State is subject to the Two Party rule, in that both parties (or, in this case, all parties) engaged in a recorded conversarion must give consent to their voices being recorded. As minors cannot enter into legal contracts without their parents' consent, they cannot consent to your recording their voices. Therefore, if I understand correctly, you are in violation of the law in Washington State by publishing these conversations with
RoguePlanet 4 months ago
@RoguePlanet Enough talk. Sue us already.
SomechoicesRwrong 4 months ago
Anti-choice project and Westboro Church tormenting us daily thanks to free speech.... I don't think free speech was intended for these pricks to force their views on us and in such hostile manners while expecting to be protected from the hostile reactions they have initiated. Hey criminals I ain't saying nothing if you find these guys in a dark alley.
Lady0Pamela 4 months ago
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@Lady0Pamela "Hey criminals I ain't saying nothing if you find these guys in a dark alley."
Not at all surprised that someone who endorses violence against unborn people would encourage violence against born people.
tomherring 4 months ago
@tomherring You shouldn't be.
Lady0Pamela 4 months ago
I also want to say that you are filming kids who aren't even talking to, who aren't causing you a problem, who aren't near you. I hope the parents of those children take legal action for filming their children. You better never show up at my kids school.
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@Lady0Pamela You are not the first angry parent to see us filming their kids. Problem is, there is no legal action to take. Ever taken a camera to the beach, LadyPamela?
"You better never show up at my kids school."
Keep an eye out. We are expanding to more and more cities. We have every intention to bring the pictures to your kids school as well.
tomherring 4 months ago
@tomherring So you do intentially show your pictures to children, preborn your good, preschool your fucked. Don't worry I have my eye out for you, and I when I find you I will be down at the intersection before you warning people to turn to avoid your pictures. I will be there with pro-choice literature. I will tell young girls to not let you make them feel bad about who they are and the choices they have made or will make. I will be there to ensure you do not get the reactions you want.
Lady0Pamela 4 months ago
@Lady0Pamela We intentionally show our pictures to teenagers, because someone old enough to have an abortion is old enough to see an abortion.
I hope you come out with your warning signs, as it will only make people curious to see what all the fuss is about. "Graphic signs ahead? I can handle it, I'm gonna check it out."
They will contrast your pro-choice literature with a photo of what you defend -- of what is being chosen.
If abortion is too terrible to look at, why are we tolerating it?
tomherring 4 months ago
@tomherring Pictures of war, death penalty, putting animals to sleep, etc are terrible to look at but we tolerate those? Do you wish to end war, the death penalty, or euthanizing animals? Mine will not just say Graphic signs, mine won't be for sick peoples curiousity it will to be to warn those who don't want to see your pictures to turn now.Your signs don't change my mind, why do you think they will change the minds of others? You're not the first to hold up these signs, not even the last.
Lady0Pamela 4 months ago
@Lady0Pamela The press prints headlines with images of soldiers killed in action all the time. I don't know anyone who opposes putting animals to sleep. But these are all periphery arguments used to distract from the one at hand. Please stay focused. Defend baby killing on its merits.
Regarding your sign, whatever it says will draw attn to our signs, so we welcome your presence. People are far more curious than you give them credit for.
Yes the pictures change minds. Babies have been saved.
tomherring 4 months ago
@tomherring I bet you would be singing a different story though if I stood out in front of your kids school, fav restraunt, holding signs of mutalited animals, but lets stay on point. You ppl always claim that you have changed minds and babies have been saved, but you always lack showing any evidence. Everytime you do provide evidence it is clearly fabricated as it's one of your own pretending they were going to have an abortion and you changed her mind. I don't have to defend my belief to you.
Lady0Pamela 4 months ago
LEAVE THESE KIDS ALONE!
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It is wrong to shove this in our faces and expect us to walk by and say nothing. You get what you deserve.
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@Brentsey --Elaborate, please.
RepentAmerica454 5 months ago
I think abortions are pretty cool. They get rid of unwanted babies and don't afraid of anything.
Behemotho 5 months ago
Only in America.. (not ACP good on you, the kids)
VoleBrothers 7 months ago
these kids are the future. this is what they believe. so you wack jobs at anti choice need to cut the crap.
cjm608 7 months ago
@cjm608 --If these chumps are the future, there IS NO FUTURE.
RepentAmerica454 5 months ago
@AnitChoiceProject
You stupid fucks. Please, go get a life instead of forcing people to see your grotesque point of view. Have your opinion but don't force it on us minors. YES. I go to that fucking high school and it would be much appreciated if you went somewhere else to spread your crazy bullshit.
rayn0down 8 months ago 2
Pro life douchebags are wrong. They supposedly beleive in censorship but their showing these disgusting pics. I'm pro choice I am not an incubator for some stupid ass fetus that is not even a person yet. My body My life My choice.
FoxyAngie1000 10 months ago
high school students: never missing an opportunity to make asses out of themselves. smile--the world is watching ;)
lemonsnickers1 11 months ago
3: 21 - "I would rather see one little fetus without a brain (or any brain activity) dead, than 3 lives ruined... The Father, the Mother, and the Kid... The illegitimate child."
3:34 - "One life isn't worht the life of 3... It's just not."
You sick-fuck little gaggle of homo baby-killers... IT IS A TRAVESTY TO MURDER A CHILD IN ORDER TO LIVE LIFE AS YOU WISH.
And people wonder why some of those fetuses escape near abortions growing up to murder baby-killers later in life. DIE COMMIES!
tazztt1 11 months ago
@tazztt1
What a troll
Ilperon 10 months ago
Also, if you were in this video. Report this video as invading your rights/privacy. They have no right to do this.
raven09va 1 year ago
You are technically harassing minors & recording children without parental consent. Pretty much 90% of people there were uncomfortable. Abortion is a womans choice, do you really wish to take away more women rights? A baby is not tech. born until it comes out of the womb. A woman who is raped, or completely incapable of giving birth to the child and may even die in the process, or if the baby is incapable of surviving the pregnancy, or if the baby dies during pregnancy, should not be born. GTFO
raven09va 1 year ago
Haha, "I'm in grad school"... so that's why you're another retarded activist who doesn't need to make a living.
zorgitron 1 year ago
@zorgitron he is one of those people who thinks "Ive gone to college so i know everything and i am better than you"
Wildcat128007 11 months ago
As a moderate pro choice person, do you still think that abortion is wrong if it's a 12 year old girl that was impregnated by her father or if it carrying a baby will kill a woman?
TheWardcat 1 year ago
I like how you say you've videotaped your protest but you aren't pointing it at the students you were talking to. That kind of defeats your argument that you were doing it for your safety. You videotaped students who weren't involved with it. Thats just wrong and a little creepy.
I understand your right to free speech and all that but seriously, you wouldn't get away with that at an elementary school, even if you were in a public place.
FizzyMcShizzy 1 year ago
I can't stand that douchebag in the blue shirt. What a lil ass. He has now real idea of the world around him.
sunny4real1 1 year ago
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This is extreme. no one, not even i who's prolife, commends you d-bags for filming MY FRIENDS for your own personal gain to bring up the attention against abortion. we are not ignorant of the situation. why are you coming to this school like we're just a bunch of ghetto, sexually-active pricks. i'll be fightin for rights to privacy. you have no buisiness showing up in front of MY SCHOOL recording people without consent (4:48). and seriously, you BOUGHT THEM?! (5:40) that is just sad. pedophiles
KwanJan12 1 year ago
This is extreme. no one, not even i who's prolife, commends you d-bags for filming MY FRIENDS for your own personal gain to bring up the attention against abortion. we are not ignorant of the situation. why are you coming to this school like we're just a bunch of ghetto, sexually-active pricks. i'll be fightin for rights to privacy. you have no buisiness showing up in front of MY SCHOOL recording people without consent (4:48). and seriously, you BOUGHT THEM?! (5:40) that is just sad. pedophiles
KwanJan12 1 year ago
It is also legal to accidentally spill water onto your recording equipment. You shouldn't have had it out in a public place. Whoops!
Seishintsuki 1 year ago 2
@Seishintsuki LOL. Legal...and expensive. The law doesn't really care how you damage our equipment. You (or your parents) will be made to pay the replacement costs.
You must be one of those students Hades2004 was talking about on the other BHS video.
tomherring 1 year ago
@tomherring
You, uh, just talked yourself into a corner. "Legal.... the law" lol k. You didn't do too well in debates did ya? Although I suppose if you did, you wouldn't say half the things you do in your videos. :3
Seishintsuki 1 year ago
@Seishintsuki Its also legal for them to take the camera to a store and have the guy there to fix it. Try bringing an aborted kid back to life. Whoops!
tonytreva380 1 year ago
@Seishintsuki
Then when is free speech protected then? Only when it agrees with the agenda of the media and uninformed school children? If they were on the side walk, they have every right under this Constitution to say what they want to say, and show what they want to show. Just because you don't like has doesn't mean in any way they aren't allowed showing it.
Childinfaith 8 months ago
Haha next time I WILL get up in your face. And you will regret it
5Toesss 1 year ago
@5Toesss ...a sure sign the other side has lost the argument.
tomherring 1 year ago
its funny you bitch about your first amendment rights and OC but you as family values conservatives would want to take away the first amendment rights of hugh hefner and larry flynt
Wildcat128007 1 year ago
I agree with you! anti-abortion. Even highschoolers should know that it is murder, but obviously these guys don't know, so I understand why you are standing there. Just becareful.
Brandiemh 1 year ago
I find it really funny how dumb this school can be. Even though I go to it... I hate that... Most of the people here are Ignorant.
joebobers 1 year ago
WE had MORE of them here today!!
It pisses me off!
WHAT ABOUT THE GIRLS THAT HAVE MISCARRIAGES , HOW DOES THAT MAKE THEM FEEL!?
itachicloud 1 year ago
@itachicloud Girls who have had miscarriages know the pain of losing a child. They have a personal and heightened sensitivity to the fragility of an unborn baby. And while it may pain them even more than others to look upon the remains of a baby who was killed by abortion, they too must see the horror of "choice" if it's to ever end.
Someone who knows the emotions of love and grief which accompany natural abortion should be all the more vocal against the barbarity of unnatural abortion.
tomherring 1 year ago
I go there! Stop that! No one wants to see!
ribbot123 1 year ago
@ribbot123 No one wants to see, but this happens 3,500 a day in America and Americans need to see it.
If you believe abortion should be lawful, you deserve to be forced to look at what you support. If you oppose abortion but are doing little to stop it, you deserve to be forced to look at what your apathy enables.
If you want the pictures to stop, get the killing to stop.
tomherring 1 year ago
this is pro-abortion? i thought it was against with all the stupid arguments for it. the sire has coat hangers, wtf. it's murder.
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 Not sure who or what you are talking about. The ACP is against abortion, in case you were referring to us.
AntiChoiceProject 1 year ago
@AntiChoiceProject that's weird, i was commenting on another video and it posted here. sorry.
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
I find it ironic that there is all this chaff about videotaping high school students by high school age students, but I see a ton of videos posted by high school students showing practical jokes done on kids even younger that are complete strangers to them which has nothing but support from their peers. The only reason there is any objection to the video taping here is because they think it is the only leg they can stand on. But it isn't. This is all legal. Just like those practical jokes
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@Minxcomix Great point.
tomherring 1 year ago
didnt you have a police officer with you?
quarf53206 1 year ago
Come on anti choice project please tell me how would you feel if someone filmed your kid walking down a public street and posted that on the internet. how would you react?
Seahawks2380 1 year ago
I am a student at this school, and i dont agree with you recording this. you were on school property and had no right to be there.
markdubx 1 year ago
@markdubx We were on a public sidewalk. Do a Google search for "First Amendment to the US Constitution".
AntiChoiceProject 1 year ago 2
@AntiChoiceProject a public sidewalk yes, and you were also recording underage kids and were being recorded without their consent. you also posted this on youtube without their consent.
markdubx 1 year ago
@markdubx its kind of fucked up how they film for security reasons but post this crap online
quarf53206 1 year ago
@quarf53206 Our primary reason for the cameras is security (see, for instance, the video uploaded when we were confronted by Chad Smalley in Poulsbo). Shortly after purchasing the cameras, we realized an unforseen benefit of filming was catching pro-aborts doing what they do best, and uploading the footage to youtube for all to see.
tomherring 1 year ago
@markdubx Ever taken a camera to the beach, Mark?
tomherring 1 year ago
@tomherring
No I haven't. the point is, I dont like being recorded without my consent and i know that most of those kids (who for the most part were or are under 18) feel the same way as me. If you're using the cameras for security, fine, but why upload your security footage to a public site? i believe that you were using the cameras for security but is it really necessary to upload it on youtube?
markdubx 1 year ago
@AntiChoiceProject do you any of you think that you will make people sympathetic to your cause by talking down to them and treating them like they are stupid
Wildcat128007 11 months ago
These guys are just a huge joke at Bremerton HS.
Zanekluge 1 year ago
who is more immature the kids or these guys?
chrisismename 1 year ago
@chrisismename i find it funny how they are willing to post videos of other peoples kids on the internet but if someone posted a video of one of their kids on the internet they would be livid
Seahawks2380 1 year ago
you men (or should i say boys) are truly just insensitive to people. and complete douchebags. you seem to think us teenagers are sponges who suck up all your stupid information. fuck you. i saw you guys, and you've probably never been put in a position where you need to have an abortion. just because you haven't experienced real life like som have doesnt mean you can "protest" i hope you feel great about yourself. go protest for something more important like the millions starving, who are alive.
p00phead14 1 year ago
Also posting videos of children that arent yours on the internet doesnt make people sympathetic to you, You may not be breaking any laws but come on. If somebody went up to one of your kids while they were walking dow the street and filmed them and put that on the internet you people would be livid. and yet you would be okay doing it yourself
Seahawks2380 1 year ago
What you should realize is your incredible “Chad Johnson” type arrogance doesn’t make people sympathetic to you. You say pro choice people just want to “Kill babies” when most of us just want to leave people alone
Seahawks2380 1 year ago
Why do you think its your place to moralize kids that arent yours?
Seahawks2380 1 year ago
@Seahawks2380 We think it's everyone's place to inform teenagers that killing people is bad.
AntiChoiceProject 1 year ago 3
@AntiChoiceProject but you say that its a parents job to do that. i mean you say the government should stay out of peoples lives but you want to pick the issues
Seahawks2380 1 year ago
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@Seahawks2380 I think you're misquoting us. Here is what Tom Herring said (note the last two sentences): "I think matters of sexual behavior should be relegated to parents, not dictated from the chalk board. I think our public school system has enough trouble teaching students math, history, science, English and current events. I'm all for teaching kids about Darfur and the Holocaust. But let's not cover up the American holocaust."
AntiChoiceProject 1 year ago
@AntiChoiceProject The way you put that is so childish, its insane.
itachicloud 1 year ago
@AntiChoiceProject
Killing fetuses.
Fetuses which don't have deep interpersonal relationships, which have no idea who its parents are, which doesn't even know what ITSELF is (it's not even sentient).
Did you know what it felt like to be a fetus?
What did it feel like?
Were you bored during that long gestation period, with nothing to do?
What about rape?
It sounds the same as a sperm cell or egg cell, rather than a person, don't you agree?
It does not qualify as a person.
Enlighten me.
Ilperon 10 months ago
@Ilperon
Then neither do eldery people who suffer from dementia or alzhiemers. Then neither do people born without certain mental capabilities. Mabye we should just kill them too, since they dont qualify with your subjective definition of personhood.
Childinfaith 8 months ago
I just have to say that Grant is sooo hilarious haha. Ashlen had great points, just saying.
vdpangelinan 1 year ago
oh my god. "if I have to file a police report" does he think that we are going to attck him oh my gosh high schoolers we are going to get jumped!
'your the high schooler I'm the grad student" now he thinks he's better then us. jerk face. and most people dont have kids when they're 21. These people holding the signs make me want to become pro choice, what right do they have to tell US what to do with OUR bodies!?!? In all honesty I am against abortion but these signs have made me reconsider.
April22942012 1 year ago
When school lets out. 2pm.
tomherring 1 year ago
@tomherring you really dont see anything wrong with shoving you views down the throats of other peoples kids. You really dont? If you film this stuff just for your safety then why do post it on the internet
hugabug007 1 year ago
what time of day did you do this?
hugabug007 1 year ago
(continued) It's none of your fucking business what a woman wants to do with her body and her life, if someone feels that they aren't ready to have a baby, then I say let her do what she wants. Thats why we're in america. So fuck you if you think that you can tell someone what they can and can't do with their OWN body, because again, its none of your fucking business.
you people discust me.
canDbar 1 year ago
who the hell are you guys to tell somebody that they can't have an abortion? Um, excuse me, but the last time I checked, this is my body to do with as I fucking please. Somebody elses abortion is not going to affect any body but the woman having the abortion, and the CLOSE people in her life, not these rude asswholes holding up signs of dead fetuses.
canDbar 1 year ago
one more thing. Only an ASSHOLE would try to force their views down the throats of Other peoples kids
hugabug007 1 year ago
only a Jackass would film a minor and interview a minor and put it on the internet. If you were filming a basketball game and put that online no one would have a problem but you are up close and interviewing people who its easy to tell dont know that they are being filmed. so only a Jackass would do what you are doing
hugabug007 1 year ago
@hugabug007 i would have to agree. they say its for protection. I can understand that. So why post on the internet. they say no privacy in a public place. this is like taking a camera to a beach. But people who film at the beach dont go up and interview the children there
quarf53206 1 year ago
you video taped my school without ANYONE's concent, then making fun of people? yeah you guys are doing a fucking awesome job supporting your cause you assholes. oh and by the way, video taping minors without permission is illegal, fuck off
redhead14109 1 year ago
@redhead14109 You need not get anyone's consent to video record in a public setting. You do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy when you are out in public. So says our courts. Sorry, them's the rules.
We have broken no laws. Hence the reason we can continue exposing abortion on the sidewalks of your school. We'll be back again; may as well get used to it.
tomherring 1 year ago
@tomherring The graphic pictures will continue until you assimulate. All you are doing is making people used to seeing the pictures thus having them lose relevance to your mission. Like in Australia when they put those graphic images on cigerrettes, at first ppl were disgusted, some covered them with stickers, but eventually they felt nothing for the images. So once we get used to you, then what? Will you start holding up dead fetus' till we get used to that.
Lady0Pamela 4 months ago
@redhead14109: Actually, i'm pretty sure video taping minors on school property is illegal, too.
canDbar 1 year ago
i will always say this You family values conservatives just annoy me to tears. You want the world to be like it was in the 1950's. You say the government should stay out of peoples lives. Except when it comes to anything that could be defined as immoral. Ban PORN and pre marital sex. Ban nose rings and Tattoos. Thats a family values conservatives WET DREAM!
quarf53206 1 year ago
rukialala10: Enough with the petty threats already. Sue us.
tomherring 1 year ago
They arent suppost to video tape students without parental permission/consent saying that they can tape those students. They should have to blur over faces, or they can be sued. They made alot of students uncomfortable being RIGHT infront of the school this year, and possibly last year.
rukialala10 1 year ago
As for assisted suicide, yes I'm against killing innocent human beings; even those who ask me to kill them.
It is not normal for someone to wish they were dead. In the vast majority of cases, a person who wants to die is suffering from depression, and once the depression is treated they no longer want to die.
We live in a culture of death. We resort to killing people as a means of solving our problems (abortion, embryonic stem cell research, assisted suicide).
We need a culture of life.
tomherring 1 year ago
so you are for someone with a terminal illness having their suffering prolonged. YOU MONSTER!
quarf53206 1 year ago
@tomherring i can see you have logged on since my assisted suicide and stem cell question. Why no response? Why are you for making someone who is suffering from a terminal illness suffer? why shouldnt stem cells that will be thrown away anyway be used to alleviate suffering?
quarf53206 1 year ago
@quarf53206 Quarf, I'm not sure what you are talking about. I've made two posts in response to your questions about euthanasia and research on embryonic humans. Just scroll down.
tomherring 1 year ago
@tomherring you didnt address terminally ill people with euthanasia. You dont seem to understand that science takes time. if science was as easy as you expect the world would have cured every disease already.
quarf53206 1 year ago
I don't have any problem with adult stem cell research. I have big problems with any research that involves killing other human beings...which is precisely what research on embryonic humans does.
Not only is embryonic stem cell research morally problematic, for all its promises, it has been..how shall we say..disappointing. Can't post links in youtube, but check out:
stemcellresearch (dot) org
Scroll down and click on the link on the right: "Stem Cell Research Treatments"
tomherring 1 year ago
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quarf53206 1 year ago
So you dont seem to understand that science takes time. As far as i know you cant grow a kid in a petri dish. Also arent they going to be thrown away anyway?
quarf53206 1 year ago
I don't have any problem with adult stem cell research. I have big problems with any research that involves killing other human beings...which is precisely what research on embryonic humans does.
Not only is embryonic stem cell research morally problematic, for all its promises, it has been....how shall we say....mildly disappointing. Can't post links in youtube, but check out:
stemcellresearch (dot) org/facts/treatments (dot) htm
tomherring 1 year ago
25% of the 1.3 million abortions in America every year are committed by women 18-24 years old. And I would venture to say the majority of those are committed in large part because of scumbag boyfriends who are indifferent ("I support whatever you decide"), unsupportive ("I don't want a baby"), or outright threatening ("If you don't have an abortion, I'm leaving you").
So yes, these kids desperately need to see what abortion looks like -- what it does to a helpless baby with fingers and toes.
tomherring 1 year ago
@tomherring I beat if men had babies they wouldn't be standing out there protesting this....it is always men and women who are so ugly no one wants to impregnate them. Maybe you should work on the problem so women don't have to make the choice instead of playing on their emotions. Anti-choicers are always the same, preborn your good, preschool your fucked.
Lady0Pamela 4 months ago
"its easy to tell that you arent changing their minds." -quarf
Perhaps. Maybe their minds won't change this year. Maybe it will take five years of seeing the pictures before they agree, killing a baby is a bad choice.
Regardless of whether or not our pictures end abortion though, they end the pretending.
" why not try to influence the minds of people who matter." -quarf
High school kids matter a great deal. Their chances of facing a crisis pregnancy in the next 5 years is very high
tomherring 1 year ago
do you have a problem with stem cell research or assisted suicide
quarf53206 1 year ago
"Like a boil that can never be cured as long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its pus-flowing ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must likewise be exposed, with all of the tension its exposing creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
tomherring 1 year ago
Quarf, of course people think we're morons. Effective social reformers are rarely liked or appreciated. And social reformers who are liked are rarely effective. People don't want to see babies chopped to pieces -- we get that. But people MUST see babies chopped to pieces if there is going to be any hope of ending this crime against humanity.
Injustices do not end on their own, and they do not end when they are covered up. Dr. Martin Luther King got it right: (next post..)
tomherring 1 year ago
its easy to tell that all the kids think you are moron. its easy to tell that you arent changing their minds. if changing abortion laws mean so much to you. why not try to influence the minds of people who matter. you family values conservative just annoy me because you want the world to be just like "Leave to beaver". Do you have a problem with stem cell research or Assisted suicide
quarf53206 1 year ago
Abortion, theft, slavery, rape, child abuse, and murder have all been around since before Rome was a power. The only losers behind the times are those who think baby killing is still a good idea.
tomherring 1 year ago
i say you losers are a bit behind in the times abortion has been around forever since oh i don't remember before rome was a power
razgriz545 1 year ago
stupid fuck
Kaljustin 1 year ago
why should it be the schools systems job to show this stuff to them? just tell me that
quarf53206 2 years ago
Because our schools should be educating students about the truth. They don't seem to have a problem showing students pictures of genocide from the past. Why not pictures of genocide from the present?
Neither do they have a problem showing students how to use a condom (implying, of course, that there's nothing wrong with teens sleeping around). If a school is going to encourage teens to engage in sex, they ought to at least have the decency to show them what happens if they commit an abortion.
tomherring 2 years ago
@tomherring but i thought you family values conservatives thought that the school system (aka government) should stay out of things that parents should be teaching their kids.
quarf53206 2 years ago
I can't speak for every person against abortion, but I am a family values conservative who thinks public schools should not be teaching kids how to put on a condom.
I think matters of sexual behavior should be relegated to parents, not dictated from the chalk board. I think our public school system has enough trouble teaching students math, history, science, English and current events. I'm all for teaching kids about Darfur and the Holocaust. But let's not cover up the American holocaust.
tomherring 2 years ago
@tomherring Alot of parents don't teach their kids about sex and have no idea what to do. Why do you think that health teachers aren't effective. I agree we should teach abstinance.
TheMasamune444 2 years ago
I don't know the numbers (doubtful anyone does) but I would say *some parents don't teach their kids about sex. I bet the majority do have a conversation with their kids about it.
Still, I don't think this subject is proper to the role of the state. And when the state assumes authority in this area, who can doubt that it leads to many more parents sensing their duty to form their children's sexual attitudes and behavior has been relieved entirely?
Anyway - the topic is a bit of a tangent.
tomherring 2 years ago
@tomherring you really think that schools ecourage teens to have sex?
quarf53206 2 years ago
Yep, I really do. I think sex-ed implementation has a lot to do with the number of teens engaging in sex today.
A school that teaches 15 year olds about how to have "safe sex" is really saying, "Hey, I know it's hard to exercise self-control. And that's okay. When the time comes, just make sure you know how to use these various devices."
That, my friend, is encouragement to a 15 year old with raging hormones. It's asking for trouble. Take a look around, quarf.
tomherring 2 years ago
@tomherring I think when most where that age they didnt need encouragement from a teacher to have sex. wouldnt you agree though that if one doesnt want to have a baby at any age they should use birth control?
quarf53206 2 years ago
Teens don't need any more encouragement from teachers to engage in sex -- yes, that's my point exactly. Teachers should be cautioning students *NOT* to have sex because the consequences are so dire.
I believe if someone doesn't want to have a baby they should practice natural birth control. Which, by the way, works 100% of the time.
tomherring 2 years ago
@tomherring so lets say they are two married people in their 30's who dont want children. you think two married adults that dont want kids shouldnt have sex at all
quarf53206 2 years ago
I think that frustrating the act of sex in order to divorce its natural life-giving aspect from its natural unitive aspect is un-natural, unhealthy biologically, and unhealthy emotionally.
I think it reduces sex -- the most intimate and personal of human relations -- to recreation and self-interest, as opposed to what the act signifies: self-donation. A total gifting of your entire self to your spouse, and your spouse back to you...everything, including your natural fertility.
tomherring 2 years ago
@tomherring so only have sex if you can have kids? what if someone has had kids but doesnt want anymore should they just wait until one of the people in Marriage is sterile? do you have a problem with someone mastubating?
quarf53206 2 years ago
Anyone who has sex should only do so accepting the possibility that children may be conceived.
For the legitimate intentions on the part of spouses to space, or even avoid the conception of children, methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality. These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom.
tomherring 2 years ago
@tomherring what about masturbation do you have a problem with that?
quarf53206 2 years ago
@tomherringTeens don't need any more encouragement from teachers to engage in sex. if someone is determined to do something risky they are going to do it. its better that they know how to do the risky thing safely
quarf53206 1 year ago
"The ACP showed Bremerton High Schoolers something their teachers refuse to show them: what abortion means to a defenseless baby."
ITS THE PARENTS JOB TO SHOW THEM THIS STUFF YOU ASSHOLES NOT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM
quarf53206 2 years ago
For a second there, I thought you were talking about sexual education.
Then I remembered you're talking about the greatest injustice America has ever known.
tomherring 2 years ago
About the rape/pregnancy/abortion argument: Look at the faces of the babies killed by a "pro-choice" abortion. Ask yourself which were conceived by love, lust, rape or what. More to the point, however, pregnancy is prevented in a rape victim through immediate and appropriate medical care. This care is needed for other practical reasons (e.g. crime evidence). Abortionists exploit the rape/pregnancy/abortion argument to promote their political goal: forced taxpayer funding of abortion-on-demand.
kweer58 2 years ago
Mommy and daddy will hurt their children. Try fighting for starilizing the drug addicts and rapists. I would rather see a child die with no memory then a child living with being raped. AND having to carry out the child after being raped?? funny how the average person fighting for this is A MAN!!
Larxie1 2 years ago
Why are my only options either: (A) Kill the child or (B) Rape the child? And how do you know all 1.3 million American babies aborted this year would have been rape victims? Why can't children who are not wanted by their biological parents be placed for adoption? Why do we have to solve our own problems by killing innocent children?
tomherring 2 years ago
hopefully people will see whats wrong with abortion. Slavery and Racism both started out with people speaking out even though people didn't want to hear it.
TheMasamune444 2 years ago
Thank you Masamune.
I'm afraid it's going to take a lot more than speaking out against abortion if we're ever going to convince this country that abortion is sufficiently evil to make it illegal.
If I tell someone abortion is wrong, it's just my opinion, which they can easily shrug off as quickly as I can ignore their opinion of vanilla ice cream.
But if I prove to them that abortion is an act of unspeakable violence against a baby, they might change their mind. Pictures must be used.
tomherring 2 years ago
Dude I love abortion! I've gotten like three girls pregnant and I don't have to deal with the responsibility of it all. It's so great!
MrHorizon 2 years ago
Many think of abortion as an advance of women's rights.
It's really just a triumph of irresponsible men over vulnerable women. And the women bear almost the full weight of the pain of regret. Pain that lasts a lifetime.
tomherring 2 years ago
Lol.
KrelmKrelm 2 years ago
u pleople aer dammass
pimpmastertimmy 2 years ago
What's a dammass?
tomherring 2 years ago
Also, this video is NOT ILLEGAL. Shut up.
brenisacorgi 2 years ago
On another note, to others, if you don't want to see the lives of 3 people ruined over the possible life of 1, then keep your damned sex organs in your pants, and have sex when you're ready to make a child, because that's what the whole process is for. Just because something is pleasurable doesn't mean it's what you should be allowed to do at any given moment.
The mother being on the brink of death and some instances of rape (non-alcohol/party) are the only justification I see for abortion.
brenisacorgi 2 years ago
I don't think there is any justification for deliberately killing a baby.
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tomherring 2 years ago
When feelings are respected, a respect of life follows suit naturally. You can not do the latter first; it is impossible.
brenisacorgi 2 years ago
People do not like to face guilt for their thoughts and actions, so by showing them these pictures they will invariably blame "you" for their mental discomfort. Your actions and sense of responsibility, though honorable, is lacking conscience & understanding. Being patient for others is extremely tiring, especially when they're being vehemently stupid but, trying to fix things in this way is actually weakening people's conscience as it barge into peoples minds—It's the right superior temporal
brenisacorgi 2 years ago
Elements such as these will raise the emotional significance of the consequence; they will increase the splat at the bottom of the cliff. In this case, thinking about the baby may take top priority and move images about sex to the mental back burner. Sex would then be seen as an incidental benefit en route to the major hurdle of caring for a baby. (footnote) Not only does behavior change, but attitude as well.
brenisacorgi 2 years ago
On the other hand, suppose that getting pregnant carries with it a major social stigma, that abortion clinics do not exist, that becoming a mother forces a girl to drop out of school and to get a menial job with low wages, that having a baby leads automatically to the restriction of marriage, and that no government handouts exist for single mothers.
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