The tittle should say "the American f22 raptor" then the other one should say "the (then say all the 27 countries in the EU then fighter at the end". I'm just joking though. Both planes are bad ass.
@southparkfan2717 Not really. 'Stealth' works best head-on. Typhoons hunting F-22s fly a wide formation so the 22 can't be head-on to all of them. One gets a paint on the quarter-profile or IR jet-plume and either attacks or datalinks the info to another Typhoon in a better attack position. The 22 can't illuminate its own radar without being detected by Typhoons. And it can't fly above 25k because of oxygen problems, so they've always got the drop on it (lookdown IR trace against the ground).
@southparkfan2717 EF uses electronical means of hiding itself such as active cancellation. This tech recieves, distorts then sends the signal back out of phase thus hiding the jet. Unlike VLO it's not vulnerable to adverse weather conditions. EF's AESA can jam BVRAAM and at 60 miles out, it's infa red stealth killing tech (PIRATE) can track the hot spots that a jet makes as it moves through the sky. BVRAAM can easily be jammed so the WVR fight is always a likely possibility
Dogfight, eurofighter, bvr f22. Before than fanboys start nerdraging..this is just an opinion , you can turn off the "someone is wrong on the internet" alarm.
Alright, these are facts coming up here... The eurofighter is almost twice as good in terms of agility with fully packed missle bays (the case uses air to air missles) on both planes! The eurofighter can also fly at around 1.2 mach with additional fuel tanks, and around 1.5 mach with bombs, speed with missles and without missles are classified, experst however believe that the f22 does beat the ef in terms of speed by about .15 mach (which isn't a lot, especially because the ef accelerates 3
Faster than the f22 due to the engines, the f22's top speed's only faster due to design of the frame!). In stealth the f22 defenitely beats the ef. Like dais before it's proofen fact that the ef would beat an f22 in a dogfight, the only was for the f22 to escape would be the ef attacking the f22 at the ed's top speed, and the f22 accelerating by 1.5 mach, and thereby outrunning the ef (however in this case missle speed would be important). Summary? The EF easily beats the F22.
dont believe me eh? ok then type in eurofighter typhoon beat the f22 raptor they were put against each other an article wrote in international airpower magazine 2006
hate to break it to you f22 fans but in testing the Eurofighter won.... the 2 F22s were behind it and were about to lock on and then the Eurofighter out manoeuvred them and was able to lock on to both (no missiles were fired but it was monitored and the people observing acknowledged that the Eurofighter won
Eurofighter is a good plane, but the f-22 is much better, the only problem is: The f-22 costs over twice as much as the eurofighter, so you'd have to compare 1 f-22 against 2/3 eurofighters.
well the eurofighter is somewhat stealthy the f22 is much more the typhoon can gain altitude at a somewhat faster pace and has a slightly better thrust to weight ratio making high g maneuvers easier they are said to have essentially the same hud and multi target acquisition so i am guessing in the end a coin tosser for sure it good that these planes are used by our allies
The comparation its kindda unfair scince the Raptor is a 5th generation and the Eurofighter its a 4.5 Generation. The raptor can maneuver more due the trusth vectoring and the fact that have their weapons internally, In real combat an eurofighter cannot be as maneuverable as the airshows due its external weapons that produce aerodinamical disadvantages.
the F-22 is good but all western countries do millitary trials they did 1 test in the UK where 2 F-15E's were to track a eurofighter then lock on for a simulated kill, but the EF maneuvered and shook them then simulated a kill on a both, then they did a test in the US, 2 UF's were to track and kill a F-22 and did it but the US claimed "they were not stealthed anyways" and the next day for another test between the 2 the US canceled saying they have no time for games, how convient.
i am interested in the supirority of THE PLANE, NOT on board equipment,since, in theory any fighter can be out fited with same on board systems. i wanna know,which can reach the flight ceiling quickest,pull the tightest G's before structual failure ect, fly quickest with full payload and most monuvarable withful fulpayload. Lets say the both remot flown,whch could turn the tightest at full afterburn?
British invented the first jet engine and currently hold the EU's best fighter jet. The british Typhoon is also the most agile, I would rather pick it for dog fighter puposes than say an F-22A or a F-14D. The typhoon also has XLAA, QAAM and tomahawk missles, which by the way are the best missles in the world and the americans buy them. If the Americans brought their own plane and their own missles they would have a really big shock.
@ReconSparton You realise that on the VERY Eurofighter websight they show statistics that reveal that the f-22 is a more proficient fighter don't you? The days of traditional dogfighting are over. Air superiority has swept the floor, and its all about killing enemies at a distance now. Don't beleive me? Look at any simulated statistic out there. RAf pilots have flown the f-22 and admitted that its the best fighter out there. NO EVIDENCE AT ALL shows the Eurofighter is better than the F-22. NONE.
@AngrySwampManStudios actually, there are many raf pilots who prefer to take the eurofighter into war than any other plane. (and that's after trying many others including 22)
i'm not saying the euro is a better fighter, just telling you its personal preference with those guys.
the euro still packs enough technology and fire power to be in with a great chance of winning any fight. Especially with the 3d virtual helmet guidance system. no need for pointing the plane.
@AngrySwampManStudios Im not weighing in on the argument as to wich fighter is better , i actualy agree with you on that part only small problem i have is the " dogfighting is over" thing. It could very well be that it finaly is but surely you must be aware how often that has been said only to be proven wrong. I think its best to wait and see before making that call. The US having been saying it since WW2 to be proven wrong every time. Hopefully it is but we dont really know.
@ReconSparton The US uses the AIM series of missiles and we don't use british missiles.. we use the Aim-120-D.. not your XLAA or QAAM.. and the Tomahawk is an AMERICAN CRUISE MISSILE fool.. you obviously have no idea what your talking about so stop commenting
@Freeleacher hey did you see a real typhoon...? its not steathly at all...... its nose is circular ....... it has to small wings beside the cockpit....... it has a longer wing span...... it has missles under its wing and also that increases radar signature..... its engines are not embedded within the body....... it is not comvered with special tiles that decreases radar signature..... and it can be detected by a LIBYAN radar that sucks a lot..... how steathly is that?..... yeah like a paper
@HierSollteNameSein the Prototype F-22 (EURO) was cancelled by people in lockheed i think... because they are too dependent to computers just in flying.... to everyone here F-22 and Euro Typhoon are two very different aircraft...... F-22 raptor a Universal Air SUperirority Plane and Euro a multi purpose jet aircraft..... can euro fly over Russia without detected NO!!!... can Euro fly without aid of computer no... and euro fighter have a bigger maintenance fee.... f-22 is more a fighter than euro
@HierSollteNameSein yeah i know that...... but they were soo obsessed with agility and mach speed to outurn and out run the f-22 that they have to depend the airplanes themselves with computers in the ground and i know typhoon is a 4.5 gen fighter but the f-22 is a prototype 5.5 gen steath fighter with missles the can take down enemy aircraft up to 10 miles with bullseye accuracy..... i Respect the euro but the Euro fighter was a prototype f-22 or f-21 correct me if im wrong....
Typhoon have faults also... but THAT is one of the Critical Faults...... ones the computer controlling the plane on the ground malfunctioned..... typhoon just like a big rock falling from the sky.......... atleast F-22 can depend on their own....... F-22 has also air to ground capabilitys..... pls.... F-22 is expensive but thats the way it is.... the stronger the better the airplane is the expensive it was... like a more delicious bread cost more than an ordinary bread..... ok?
lets put it this way....... Typhoon is NOT a AERODYNAMIC aircraft.... it needs 3 supercomputers to stay still in the air...... F-22 will just simply blow out those computers and typhoon will just fall out from the sky...... and mind you f-22 is not a 5 gen.... its a 6th gen prototype fighter... cuz it can fire missile way better out of range in any enemy aircraft fire precisely...... and it had steath.... but its expensive u know... what i mean......
typhoon is more agile than f22, they did some tests in which they had a mock dogfight and the typoon got radar lock on for long enough to have shot down the f22, and the typhoon is also better at long range air to surface strike missions.
it all comes down to how many you have and the eu have lots of ef i think its like 620 the us have less then 200 f22 . + in a simulated the R.A.F shot down and killed an f22 in a 1 on 1 dog fight. i do think if they were the pull there heads together and make like a eurofighter raptor that would be one jet not to get in a fight with>
An American news report on the f22 watch?v=ei9oa5d2oNk )
and just in case you are to ignorant to watch, the news report highlights the problem if the f22 not having enough armour to even stop small arms fire so it could never be used out U.S airspace and the fact that for every 1 flying hour that is put in on the f22 37 are needed for servicing, also the computers onboard are prone to failure
I say there isnt really a better craft when it comes too these two. it all depends on the guy behind the stick. Id know becouse my famliy has been in the Luftwaffe for years :P
@osubuckeyes65 wrong the overall top speed of a euro fighter in 100 mph faster than the f22 however the f22 is faster in super cruise. however the euro fighters super-cruise can last longer without its engines overheating. also the f22 has a climb rate of 18000 ft a minute compared to the eurofighters ridiculous 62000 ft a min
@UKNationalAirsoft at high altitude the raptor has a top speed of mach 2.25 and the eurofighter has a top speed of mach 2( i dont know about low altitude) and unless you work for lockheed martin you have no idea what the rate of climb for a raptor is because its classified. 18000 seems pretty inacurate though considering even the f15 eagle has a rate of climb of 50,000 feet per second
@osubuckeyes65 i worked it out at 1800 feet a min and the f15 has a climb rate of 50000 feet per MINUTE
and that about the Mach speed is wrong somehow the f22 does 1500 mph and does 2.25 Mach where the eurofighter does 1600 mph and does Mach 2 which is wrong. i worked out that the climb rate was 18000 feet per minute cos a friend of mine was on exercise with an f22 and he claimed that in took about 5 mins to get to his hieght
@osubuckeyes65 yes but 1800 fpm is still good and the f22 pilots dont want to risk doing a verticle climb because the f22s too fragile and the on board computers wont allow a verticle climb for more than 90 seconds
@osubuckeyes65 You said a different generation would lose for sure to a higher one. If they are same type, it's doubtful. I'm giving you the example that it doesn't mind the generation or type. A bomber can take out 3 fighters, with frontal guns, hope you understand what i mean :)
@spanish111japan Generation means a lot you moron. A generation 4 jet (Eurofighter) lacks new technologies and stealth capabilities that gen 5 (Raptor) has. This means a LOT. Please go be stupid somewhere else.
@spanish111japan you studied aviation?.... so you to consider Typhoon that also have failures man..... F-22 is NOT exclusively air combat is Air Superiority..... that means that f-22 has also air to ground and bombs on armaments............. Typhoon isn't so perfect as you see it. it haves failures also..... please, restudy your aviation, and come back...... and lets talk again
@spanish111japan -"F-22 as far as i know is not ground attack. It does not carry bombs. So no, it doesn't."
The F-22 can carry 2x 1,000 lb. JDAMs or 8x 250 lb. SDBs internally.
-"Please, tell me failures of the Typhoon"
A double-engine flameout leading to a crash early on in its development. Nose gear failures... Issues with the ejection seat... One crashed (pilot died) after a catastrophic failure of the FLCS right after takeoff.
@em745aa Sure, now F-22 are ground attack planes, they are used to attack ground, that's why it's an air superiority aircraft. LOL Double engine flameout leading to crash EARLY ON IT'S DEVOLOPEMENT. You said it, it doesn't have it now. Nose gear failures? Nope. Issues with ejection seat? Could be, but it's doubtful. One crash due to FLCS? Nope F-22 Faulty stealth affected by water. Faulty electronic system wich once led to aircraft shutdown (Japan) If you give examples, do it right LOL
@em745aa Not 2 replies, but FOUR. Are you serious?
Rain affects the stealth AND RADAR. Who's denying you that ? NOBODY.
Cloud conditions ALWAYS change, some days are higher or lower, they fly higher, but they ALWAYS have to cross behind them, RAIN affects it, and deteriors it.
And I'll tell you what's "ashaming"... it's the recent MoD report that states the the 4th-gen. relic, NON-stealth, NON-AESA Eurofrauder has a flyaway cost in the same ballpark as the the F-22, and can't even win dogfights against "old" F-16's:
@em745aa Americans= Don't have the reason? They will INSULT YOU to DEATH. That F-22 prototype or not, is an F-22 watch?v=5Da0JCC7xzc You can't even find the corpses. Ashaming. My eurofighter is crap for= "It would not had been stopped, even expensive. if it was not crap." The F-22 is still in PRODUCTION , it has not been cancelled. Yet you can't admit the truth. Just shut the fuck up, replying to death won't give you the reason.
@em745aa EF-2000 10.95 f-22 13.56 Lenght EF 15.96 F-22 18.92 Height EF 5.28 F-22 5.05 Wing surface EF 5.28 F-22 78 Canard wing EF 2.4 F-22 What da fuck is that? Bomb weight + Fuel weight EF 6000 F-22 2270 Time to 35.000 ft EF 2.5 MIN F-22 Unknown Maximum speed EF MACH 2 F-22 MACH 1.9 RESULTS Typhoon is= Lighter, Faster, can carry more and BETTER weapons, is more manoubrable due to smaller size and due to the wing design. Your argument is lost.
-"Time to 35.000 ft EF 2.5 MIN F-22 Unknown Maximum speed EF MACH 2 F-22 MACH 1.9"
F-22: Climb rate 61,5k ft/min. with 8 missiles and full tanks, and top speed of Mach 2.4 (as quoted by Paul Metz, test pilot). Supercruise: Mach 1.7+ with missiles and full fuel.
The Eurotrash is a fucking joke by comparison. Even this _BRITISH_ pilot says the F-22 is the best fighter in the world:
-"Typhoon is= Lighter, Faster, can carry more and BETTER weapons"
F-22's payload is over 20k lbs. The EF has the same missiles the F-22 does, and at 16.5k lbs., the EF's payload is nothing special. Even the F-16 can carry 500 lbs. MORE!
-"is more manoubrable due to smaller size"
Does that mean the smaller MiG-21 is more "manoubrable" than the EF? LOL!!!
-"and due to the wing design"
Hi-sweep deltas are SHIT for agility, and bleed more energy in turns than lower-sweep designs.
Jesus Christ! Most of the bullshit you write is indecipherable!
Before accusing others of having "primitive intelligence," you had better learn to use PROPER ENGLISH yourself! Go take a few remedial classes! You need 'em!
(I'm going to quit this nonsense right here, because I don't like beating up on little kids, especially when they're mentally challenged.)
1- I am Spanish, and i'm learning/know FOUR languages, so before you call a person wich knows FOUR languages in front of an idiot who can't EVEN DIFFERENCE canard wing design to Hi-sweep design.
You're comparing a multi-role fighter in front of an air dominance fighter.
You're dumb, dude, it's the truth. Let's argue now about you talking about the Craptor and me talking about the B-52?
@SLiDaRr -"i stick with the EF wich is almost on pair and costs half as much. sry bad eng."
So sorry, but the numbers coming out of the UK's own MoD (this year) testify that the EF is AT LEAST as expensive as the F-22, and COSTS MORE to maintain.
The EF is a fucking joke, especially considering it isn't stealth, has no fielded AESA, can't supercruise like the F-22 (i.e. Mach 1.7+ with 8 missiles) and has a payload of 500 lbs LESS than an F-16.
@SLiDaRr -"but it can not as fast as the F-22 (MACH 1.2-1.5) but it can."
Those Mach 1.5 claims were made by EADS years ago and were blown way out of proportion, just like those claims that the EF was "stealthy."
Note that EADS does NOT make either of those claims anymore. They amounted to nothing more than blatantly false advertising by a company trying to sell off their product as a "cut-rate" F-22. Problem is, nobody was buying the rhetoric.
Realistically, the EF *MAY* be able to cruise at Mach 1.1-1.2 with a LIMITED missile loadout (i.e. 4 AMRAAMs), but there's no real word as to HOW LONG it can sustain that kind of flight regime.
The F-22 can fly all day long at over Mach 1.7 (or at least until it runs out of gas) with 8 missiles. You need internal missile bays and engines that are specifically designed for that kind of sustained hi-Mach flight. Your EF DOES NOT have either!
EF has no supercruise...ha! ....just what for sources are u getting ur info from?
f-22 cost as much as the Ef...still laughthing...maintenance...of the EF as much EF...still...! sry couldnt hold it. i searched the whole inet and couldnt find any affirmation of ur claims.
if this comment makes u angry just give a link in a pm. and if it proves that iam wrong i take everything back. i hope i provoked u a bit for it. :D dont dislike u though. because.....
@em745aa indeed iam laughing. saw the "Articles" and yep as i thought they are not trustworthy, enough. Yeah visual stealth you cant lock on... maybe for the F-15's.
When u think this supercruise then ur totally wrong. Supercruise is the ability of an aircraft to maintain supersonic flight, fully loaded, efficiently and without using afterburners. nothing with MACH 1.5 bulls.... Lockheed Martin meant only that the F-22 can do MACH 1.5 in supercruise fully loaded. they dont own supercruise XD
@em745aa damn this discussion was intresting, aggresive and now...just because i dont believe an article on an private HP. lol u cant even tell only one positive aspect bout the EF. I Know The EF is a car right? it seems u r the type of guy who sees only his beloved F-22 any other is just crap to u. sad. iam at least open for all! and not like u:" F22 is better, supercruise is a Lockheed Martin patent etc" idiot yeah kk u r clearly ignorant. Case closed.
@em745aa WRONG. Just search in google 'Typhoon payload. Now 'F-22 Payload' You can see your own words drown in your anger there. Pictures speak itself. Don't sepparate my sentences. You make their meaning change totally. It is more manoubrable due the size and the canard design. Sweep delta? No. The whole design changes with the Canard wings, it changes the whole turn. But now that you mention it, the MiG-21 was one of the most agile fighters by it's time.
Computer simulation uses real life data, wich tells you a lot.
''Combat-loaded F-22 routinely DOMINATES stripped-down F-16's in dogfight scenarios, while the EF can barely hold even with F-16's and Rafales.''
LOL
That's enough to qualify you as a retard.
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@em745aa /watch?v=APiiKsH0dR4 /watch?v=RgiThPPnIcY You're basing on a youtuber to call a news report wrong? Are you a kid or something? Invalid videos mate. Too much burgers for you. Your craptor can't be compared to the Typhoon, it's too crappy. yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080311134913AA1qT4c Get the link yourself. Come on, look at you. I reply you once, you reply twice, i reply you twice, you reply me FOUR times. Get ready to reply EIGHT times.
@The88Razor88 HEH!.. very well then.. let's see your knowledge in aviation.... just who are you to order spanish111japan.. to restudy aviation.. you don't know.. spanish111japan might be professional in aviation but you.. just who are you?.. .. are you sure that all of what you said is correct.... about EF vs. F-22? I.. know.. a small knowledge about aviation.... but.. lets.. see what's your knowledge in aviation is....
@Imhotterthenyou11 that means 0 its not manuvarable its like a muscle car a lot of power 0 control and its not invisable the russians never had any problems of detecting the crapy stealht planes
the only thing i cant argue abouth is that the raptor looks good but thats not what fighter jets are made for
@Imhotterthenyou11 I must admit that the F22 is truly remarkable. But it lacks few things in comparison to the Typhoon. Air to Air the typhoon leaves it for dead. Ok it's 5th gen but they cost twice as much as the eurofighter.
@Imhotterthenyou11 Lol the EF is an 4.5 gen fighter, just because it isnt designd to be stealthy but for agility! and only that doesnt make a plane inferior. It has stealth abilitys! And the "all mighty stealth dosent mean sh.. for the EF in dogfight. think why it is 4.>5< before u spread any false claims. The EF is way better to handle as the F22 in high g maneuvers at top speed thats what is designd for....! F22 top long range AA. EF top close range AA. F1 vs. Nascar get it?
@em745aa 1st very nice vid! but all are lowspeed "stunts". ok EF cant do that (no TVN yet, but is in planning) but its agility is in highspeed not lowspeed. A highspeed demonstration with those stunts r not possible for human an plane. Oh did u know that iam fanboy off both planes. :P
the only thing i complained is the price/effectiveness ratio of the F-22. not what it can do. oh oh here you know the X-31? its almost the EF with TVN looky looky. TVN pls come for the EF.
I'd say its the other way around. F-22 can't carry that much internal. And external breaks its stealth. At supersonic speed I'd say they're about the same. At subsonic my best guess is the F-22.
The f22 cost twice as much as the eurofighter so i'd be pretty shocked if the eurofighter won. Since according to any American every other countries aircraft are all shit, then the F22 is a reduntant waste of money. Unless of course there is a threat out there, but no American will admit that.
f-22 is a stealth fighter designed for air dominance for the next 20 to even 40 years. it has amazing manouverability which is only enhanced by thrust vectoring. it carries fire and forget missiles, so i might have to give it to the f-22.
@AngrySwampManStudios if you haven't noticed the eurofighter typhoon does have fire and forget missiles
and as maneuverable the f22 is the eurofighter far out classes it for agility in close in dog fighting anyway. and if you are talking about close range fighting the stealth wont even matter it is not as if the plane is invisible and does't have a infra red signature.
PS I no it sounds stupid and it is, but how can anyone prove the f22 is stealth and not just an expensive deterrent.
@THEROARINGRHINO Well, you don't see russia and china trying to copy the eurofighter do you? Russia and China have way better military tech than europe, but they do try to copy the f-22. This tells me that f-22 has something that some of the most powerful airforces want. Ef is good in its own right though, but it just doesn't compare to the more expensive f-22 that was designed for air superiority. EF competes as far as eficiency, but not in a dogfight. not at all.
@THEROARINGRHINO lol good point. j-10 is a eurofighter with a different label. But hell the chinese copy everything. They were a bad example. I don't think they could copy an f-22 to its full potential though.
@em745aa how about you enlighten us on how you think the eurofighter isn't more manoeuvrable than the
f22? I have seen both of them in flight and when you see the eurofighter dancing around the sky like a ninja on red bull as if g's aren't a problem it gives you a buzz. I know the f 22 is awe-inspiring and it could own a number of typhoons in BVR pit it against typhoon in a dogfight and then see who is the best!!!
F-22 has a 28 dps sustained turn rate at 20k feet and pitch rates TWICE those of an F-16.
F-22 is an unstable wing-tail, which makes it a tail lifter (the stabs counter overpitch by lifting the tail in turns). The EF being an unstable canard-delta, the canards must apply DOWNFORCE on the nose to counteract that same tendency to overpitch. The EF is therefore a downforce-lift platform, and THAT means the F-22 has superior lift/drag and lift/G ratios.
And I've read _HONEST_ accounts of Brits who've seen both at RIAT and Farnborough, and they all say the F-22 is more impressive and "does things" the EF could never do.
US fighters with IRST's have gone up against the F-22, and it didn't help them any. Should I expect the EF to be different just because its IRST has a "badass" sounding name like PIRATE? LOL!
IRST isn't the stealth "magic bullet" you guys seem to think it is. Its range is severely limited (~20 nm under ideal conditions, MUCH less in bad weather or clouds) and its FOV is minute compared to radar.
Stealth isn't realy what we need atm. Its nice if something DOES happen but right now we need better air-ground capabilities because of those terrorists. Stealth planes won't matter in that war.
RAF Typhoons on trial at NAS China Lake blew the F22s away. The very superior Typhoons, dominated "Within Visual Range" flight, and caused a surprise within the USAF by getting a radar lock on the F22 at a surprisingly long range. Although the next day scheduled. two engagements the USAF decided they didn’t want to play any more and threw everyone out. When this was reported by RAF aircrews an RAF officer ordered an end to the converstaion on security grounds. The F22 is a lemon .
Yeah but only 4 countries actually developed it, UK, Germany, Italy and Spain.
AndyLNorthants 5 days ago
The tittle should say "the American f22 raptor" then the other one should say "the (then say all the 27 countries in the EU then fighter at the end". I'm just joking though. Both planes are bad ass.
moxydesign 1 week ago
@moxydesign More correctly its should say the "50 states of American F-22 Raptor" vs the "27 states of the EU Fighter" lol
jermainekg6 5 days ago
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It's all down to the pilots and luck!
Trotters222 2 weeks ago
Eurofighter is not stealth. That is a major disadvantage, if it were going to go up against the F-22.
southparkfan2717 1 month ago
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@southparkfan2717 Not really. 'Stealth' works best head-on. Typhoons hunting F-22s fly a wide formation so the 22 can't be head-on to all of them. One gets a paint on the quarter-profile or IR jet-plume and either attacks or datalinks the info to another Typhoon in a better attack position. The 22 can't illuminate its own radar without being detected by Typhoons. And it can't fly above 25k because of oxygen problems, so they've always got the drop on it (lookdown IR trace against the ground).
TheMarkXIV 1 month ago
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@southparkfan2717 EF uses electronical means of hiding itself such as active cancellation. This tech recieves, distorts then sends the signal back out of phase thus hiding the jet. Unlike VLO it's not vulnerable to adverse weather conditions. EF's AESA can jam BVRAAM and at 60 miles out, it's infa red stealth killing tech (PIRATE) can track the hot spots that a jet makes as it moves through the sky. BVRAAM can easily be jammed so the WVR fight is always a likely possibility
clutchSlipper 2 weeks ago
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Dogfight, eurofighter, bvr f22. Before than fanboys start nerdraging..this is just an opinion , you can turn off the "someone is wrong on the internet" alarm.
Antifaith29 1 month ago
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the ef is build fir everything. The f22s just build with focus on stealth and speed.
To compare pro and con you can say: go home america
johnsarmisstrong 1 month ago
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Alright, these are facts coming up here... The eurofighter is almost twice as good in terms of agility with fully packed missle bays (the case uses air to air missles) on both planes! The eurofighter can also fly at around 1.2 mach with additional fuel tanks, and around 1.5 mach with bombs, speed with missles and without missles are classified, experst however believe that the f22 does beat the ef in terms of speed by about .15 mach (which isn't a lot, especially because the ef accelerates 3
the4clusters 1 month ago
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Faster than the f22 due to the engines, the f22's top speed's only faster due to design of the frame!). In stealth the f22 defenitely beats the ef. Like dais before it's proofen fact that the ef would beat an f22 in a dogfight, the only was for the f22 to escape would be the ef attacking the f22 at the ed's top speed, and the f22 accelerating by 1.5 mach, and thereby outrunning the ef (however in this case missle speed would be important). Summary? The EF easily beats the F22.
the4clusters 1 month ago
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dont believe me eh? ok then type in eurofighter typhoon beat the f22 raptor they were put against each other an article wrote in international airpower magazine 2006
captaincommando2 1 month ago
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the typhoon is far more manoverable & has already owned the f22 in a dogfight at close range do your homework!!! (airpower 2005 thats my source)
captaincommando2 1 month ago
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hate to break it to you f22 fans but in testing the Eurofighter won.... the 2 F22s were behind it and were about to lock on and then the Eurofighter out manoeuvred them and was able to lock on to both (no missiles were fired but it was monitored and the people observing acknowledged that the Eurofighter won
27thlegion 1 month ago
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Eurofighter is a good plane, but the f-22 is much better, the only problem is: The f-22 costs over twice as much as the eurofighter, so you'd have to compare 1 f-22 against 2/3 eurofighters.
seppsters 2 months ago
EUROFIGHTER IS BULLSHIT!
jjsword385 3 months ago
F-22 FTW! SCREW EUROFIGHTER!
jjsword385 3 months ago
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I knew before I clicked on this video that there would be American F22 fanboys saying how shit the Eurofighter is, LMFAO.
Apidium 3 months ago
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well the eurofighter is somewhat stealthy the f22 is much more the typhoon can gain altitude at a somewhat faster pace and has a slightly better thrust to weight ratio making high g maneuvers easier they are said to have essentially the same hud and multi target acquisition so i am guessing in the end a coin tosser for sure it good that these planes are used by our allies
tubevideoguy762 3 months ago
The comparation its kindda unfair scince the Raptor is a 5th generation and the Eurofighter its a 4.5 Generation. The raptor can maneuver more due the trusth vectoring and the fact that have their weapons internally, In real combat an eurofighter cannot be as maneuverable as the airshows due its external weapons that produce aerodinamical disadvantages.
Aquilis182 3 months ago
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the F-22 is good but all western countries do millitary trials they did 1 test in the UK where 2 F-15E's were to track a eurofighter then lock on for a simulated kill, but the EF maneuvered and shook them then simulated a kill on a both, then they did a test in the US, 2 UF's were to track and kill a F-22 and did it but the US claimed "they were not stealthed anyways" and the next day for another test between the 2 the US canceled saying they have no time for games, how convient.
TheGunner1324 3 months ago
i am interested in the supirority of THE PLANE, NOT on board equipment,since, in theory any fighter can be out fited with same on board systems. i wanna know,which can reach the flight ceiling quickest,pull the tightest G's before structual failure ect, fly quickest with full payload and most monuvarable withful fulpayload. Lets say the both remot flown,whch could turn the tightest at full afterburn?
glennbuchanan29 3 months ago
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British invented the first jet engine and currently hold the EU's best fighter jet. The british Typhoon is also the most agile, I would rather pick it for dog fighter puposes than say an F-22A or a F-14D. The typhoon also has XLAA, QAAM and tomahawk missles, which by the way are the best missles in the world and the americans buy them. If the Americans brought their own plane and their own missles they would have a really big shock.
ReconSparton 3 months ago
@ReconSparton You realise that on the VERY Eurofighter websight they show statistics that reveal that the f-22 is a more proficient fighter don't you? The days of traditional dogfighting are over. Air superiority has swept the floor, and its all about killing enemies at a distance now. Don't beleive me? Look at any simulated statistic out there. RAf pilots have flown the f-22 and admitted that its the best fighter out there. NO EVIDENCE AT ALL shows the Eurofighter is better than the F-22. NONE.
AngrySwampManStudios 3 months ago 2
@AngrySwampManStudios Yep the Eurofighters own website says the F-22 is more capable, while the EF is more cost efficient.
DailyStaley 3 months ago
@DailyStaley So figure, every f-22 would be good for every 4-6 enemy fighters. Quality seems to have a quantity all its own.
AngrySwampManStudios 3 months ago
@DailyStaley The tomahawk missiles are made in the U.S. by the way.
AngrySwampManStudios 3 months ago
@AngrySwampManStudios haha ya i know:P I think the F-22 is much better by the way. Im not a eurofighter fanboy haa
DailyStaley 3 months ago
@AngrySwampManStudios Yup but the cruise missiles where and are patent by Germans lol
jermainekg6 5 days ago
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@AngrySwampManStudios actually, there are many raf pilots who prefer to take the eurofighter into war than any other plane. (and that's after trying many others including 22)
i'm not saying the euro is a better fighter, just telling you its personal preference with those guys.
the euro still packs enough technology and fire power to be in with a great chance of winning any fight. Especially with the 3d virtual helmet guidance system. no need for pointing the plane.
danimayb 2 months ago
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@AngrySwampManStudios Im not weighing in on the argument as to wich fighter is better , i actualy agree with you on that part only small problem i have is the " dogfighting is over" thing. It could very well be that it finaly is but surely you must be aware how often that has been said only to be proven wrong. I think its best to wait and see before making that call. The US having been saying it since WW2 to be proven wrong every time. Hopefully it is but we dont really know.
Antifaith29 1 month ago
@ReconSparton The US uses the AIM series of missiles and we don't use british missiles.. we use the Aim-120-D.. not your XLAA or QAAM.. and the Tomahawk is an AMERICAN CRUISE MISSILE fool.. you obviously have no idea what your talking about so stop commenting
DailyStaley 3 months ago 2
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Hello all, stop arguing, EF is best.
edwardsweeney24 3 months ago
1.18 - holy shit , a typhoon can't do that.Thats got to be viffing.
26wordy 3 months ago
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is it true an RAF typhoon locked up a stealthed raptor.
26wordy 3 months ago
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i think eurofigher is better...is the most manouvrable fighter jet ever made...
pongo84gta 4 months ago
You do notice the f22 can carry tacticle nukes that could destroy ur hole piece of shit country right?
ToxicMoose235 4 months ago
@ToxicMoose235 good for us germans to be in the nato huh xD so we dont need to risk using tactical nukes - please keep ya radiation
Leftyotism 4 months ago
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f-22 was cancelled . check it out ! turns out that it's skin is corrosive to water . Typhoon wins !!
crazytempest 4 months ago
@HierSollteNameSein -"dude i just posted my comment to say why EF is unstable"
The F-22 is also unstable... so is the F-35, as well as the other two euro-canards.
Nothing special or unique about the EF in that regard.
em745aa 5 months ago
@Freeleacher hey did you see a real typhoon...? its not steathly at all...... its nose is circular ....... it has to small wings beside the cockpit....... it has a longer wing span...... it has missles under its wing and also that increases radar signature..... its engines are not embedded within the body....... it is not comvered with special tiles that decreases radar signature..... and it can be detected by a LIBYAN radar that sucks a lot..... how steathly is that?..... yeah like a paper
The88Razor88 5 months ago
@HierSollteNameSein the Prototype F-22 (EURO) was cancelled by people in lockheed i think... because they are too dependent to computers just in flying.... to everyone here F-22 and Euro Typhoon are two very different aircraft...... F-22 raptor a Universal Air SUperirority Plane and Euro a multi purpose jet aircraft..... can euro fly over Russia without detected NO!!!... can Euro fly without aid of computer no... and euro fighter have a bigger maintenance fee.... f-22 is more a fighter than euro
The88Razor88 5 months ago
@HierSollteNameSein yeah i know that...... but they were soo obsessed with agility and mach speed to outurn and out run the f-22 that they have to depend the airplanes themselves with computers in the ground and i know typhoon is a 4.5 gen fighter but the f-22 is a prototype 5.5 gen steath fighter with missles the can take down enemy aircraft up to 10 miles with bullseye accuracy..... i Respect the euro but the Euro fighter was a prototype f-22 or f-21 correct me if im wrong....
The88Razor88 5 months ago
The f22 is The world moderns plane
nilsie1000 5 months ago
Typhoon have faults also... but THAT is one of the Critical Faults...... ones the computer controlling the plane on the ground malfunctioned..... typhoon just like a big rock falling from the sky.......... atleast F-22 can depend on their own....... F-22 has also air to ground capabilitys..... pls.... F-22 is expensive but thats the way it is.... the stronger the better the airplane is the expensive it was... like a more delicious bread cost more than an ordinary bread..... ok?
The88Razor88 5 months ago
lets put it this way....... Typhoon is NOT a AERODYNAMIC aircraft.... it needs 3 supercomputers to stay still in the air...... F-22 will just simply blow out those computers and typhoon will just fall out from the sky...... and mind you f-22 is not a 5 gen.... its a 6th gen prototype fighter... cuz it can fire missile way better out of range in any enemy aircraft fire precisely...... and it had steath.... but its expensive u know... what i mean......
The88Razor88 5 months ago
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I heard that the euro out maneuvered the f-22 and got into such a position that it could have taken it out in the UK recently.
jcalpha103 5 months ago
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All the Eurofighter pilot needs to do is to survive long enough for the F-22 pilot to suffocate to death due to its defective oxygen system.
JCrownwell 5 months ago
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This video would only make sense if the 'vs' mean 'Very Similar'
Because lets face it, they both fucking rule the skies, but remember they are on the same side.
mr9396 5 months ago
these two planes should fight to death then we will know which one is the best.
Revengeofthestorm61 5 months ago
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typhoon is more agile than f22, they did some tests in which they had a mock dogfight and the typoon got radar lock on for long enough to have shot down the f22, and the typhoon is also better at long range air to surface strike missions.
startrekwarsmixguy 6 months ago
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euro fighter beat F22 least the euro fighter doesnt use sneaky stalth to hide its self lol
TheRuckerproductions 6 months ago
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or euro raptor thats a better name
LolAtThatFail2011 6 months ago
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it all comes down to how many you have and the eu have lots of ef i think its like 620 the us have less then 200 f22 . + in a simulated the R.A.F shot down and killed an f22 in a 1 on 1 dog fight. i do think if they were the pull there heads together and make like a eurofighter raptor that would be one jet not to get in a fight with>
LolAtThatFail2011 6 months ago
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F22 isn't as unstable in the air, therefore not as agile as the eurofighter. Stealth was rejected on the eurofighter in favour of agility.
steelefist 6 months ago
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An American news report on the f22 watch?v=ei9oa5d2oNk )
and just in case you are to ignorant to watch, the news report highlights the problem if the f22 not having enough armour to even stop small arms fire so it could never be used out U.S airspace and the fact that for every 1 flying hour that is put in on the f22 37 are needed for servicing, also the computers onboard are prone to failure
doodleking101 6 months ago
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I say there isnt really a better craft when it comes too these two. it all depends on the guy behind the stick. Id know becouse my famliy has been in the Luftwaffe for years :P
MrZeus141 6 months ago
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You forget that while the Eurofighters are working over Libya the F-22s are all on the ground...
Qmqmzpzp 6 months ago
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Least the Typhoon isn't grounded and releasing toxic gas' into the cockpit!!!!
killkidnumber1 7 months ago
This isnt even a good comparison. The f22 is a generation ahead so it would obviously win
osubuckeyes65 7 months ago
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@osubuckeyes65 what do you mean ef 2000 is faster and can simply outrun a f22 and outmanouver its missiles
UKNationalAirsoft 6 months ago
@UKNationalAirsoft the eurofighter's top speed and supercruise speed are slower than the f22
osubuckeyes65 6 months ago
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@osubuckeyes65 wrong the overall top speed of a euro fighter in 100 mph faster than the f22 however the f22 is faster in super cruise. however the euro fighters super-cruise can last longer without its engines overheating. also the f22 has a climb rate of 18000 ft a minute compared to the eurofighters ridiculous 62000 ft a min
UKNationalAirsoft 6 months ago
@UKNationalAirsoft at high altitude the raptor has a top speed of mach 2.25 and the eurofighter has a top speed of mach 2( i dont know about low altitude) and unless you work for lockheed martin you have no idea what the rate of climb for a raptor is because its classified. 18000 seems pretty inacurate though considering even the f15 eagle has a rate of climb of 50,000 feet per second
osubuckeyes65 6 months ago
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@osubuckeyes65 i worked it out at 1800 feet a min and the f15 has a climb rate of 50000 feet per MINUTE
and that about the Mach speed is wrong somehow the f22 does 1500 mph and does 2.25 Mach where the eurofighter does 1600 mph and does Mach 2 which is wrong. i worked out that the climb rate was 18000 feet per minute cos a friend of mine was on exercise with an f22 and he claimed that in took about 5 mins to get to his hieght
UKNationalAirsoft 6 months ago
@UKNationalAirsoft sorry about the f15 typo but theres aircraft 40 years old with a better climb rate than 18000 feet per minute
osubuckeyes65 6 months ago
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@osubuckeyes65 yes but 1800 fpm is still good and the f22 pilots dont want to risk doing a verticle climb because the f22s too fragile and the on board computers wont allow a verticle climb for more than 90 seconds
UKNationalAirsoft 6 months ago
@osubuckeyes65 LOL, 50,000 feet per second, thats about 34,000 miles per hour didn't know f15s were THAT quick.
mikester1290 6 months ago
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dsandron 6 months ago
@osubuckeyes65 Generation means nothing.
In WWII, a Helldiver shot down 3 Zeros.
A HELLDIVER, shooting down 3 Zeros, makes your argument invalid!
spanish111japan 6 months ago
@spanish111japan how is a helldiver shooting down 3 zeros relevant to this arguement?
osubuckeyes65 6 months ago
@osubuckeyes65 You said a different generation would lose for sure to a higher one. If they are same type, it's doubtful. I'm giving you the example that it doesn't mind the generation or type. A bomber can take out 3 fighters, with frontal guns, hope you understand what i mean :)
spanish111japan 6 months ago
@spanish111japan Generation means a lot you moron. A generation 4 jet (Eurofighter) lacks new technologies and stealth capabilities that gen 5 (Raptor) has. This means a LOT. Please go be stupid somewhere else.
Imhotterthenyou11 5 months ago
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@Imhotterthenyou11
Maybie the ignorant here is you.
What can a machine with an idiot do, in front of a weaker machine with a clever guy?
Letting you know, that it depends on the role too.
F-22 Is exclusively, for air combat, while the typhoon has ground and air capabilities.
Letting you know, that the F-22 isn't so perfect as you see it. It haves failures.
Please, study aviation, like i did, and come back.
You're just an airplane fan.
spanish111japan 5 months ago
@spanish111japan you studied aviation?.... so you to consider Typhoon that also have failures man..... F-22 is NOT exclusively air combat is Air Superiority..... that means that f-22 has also air to ground and bombs on armaments............. Typhoon isn't so perfect as you see it. it haves failures also..... please, restudy your aviation, and come back...... and lets talk again
The88Razor88 5 months ago
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@The88Razor88 Of course it haves failures, every airplane haves failures, even the best of best.
F-22 as far as i know is not ground attack. It does not carry bombs. So no, it doesn't.
Please, tell me failures of the Typhoon, and study aviation.
When you're a professional, talk to a professional. Don't be an ignorant.
spanish111japan 5 months ago
@spanish111japan -"F-22 as far as i know is not ground attack. It does not carry bombs. So no, it doesn't."
The F-22 can carry 2x 1,000 lb. JDAMs or 8x 250 lb. SDBs internally.
-"Please, tell me failures of the Typhoon"
A double-engine flameout leading to a crash early on in its development. Nose gear failures... Issues with the ejection seat... One crashed (pilot died) after a catastrophic failure of the FLCS right after takeoff.
-"Don't be an ignorant."
LOL!
em745aa 5 months ago
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spanish111japan 5 months ago
@spanish111japan -"Nose gear failures? Nope"
watch?v=mJEFaRj0rBY
-"Issues with ejection seat? Could be"
thelocal.de/national/20100916-29879.html
-"One crash due to FLCS? Nope"
Google: SAUDI EUROFIGHTER CRASH 2010
(cont.)
em745aa 5 months ago
-"F-22 Faulty stealth affected by water"
watch?v=Jw2W_XlWkmQ (demo performed... IN THE RAIN!! IT'S A MIRACLE!!!!)
watch?v=Htd6hJwisZ0 (@1:06 - 1:58 --- rain tests)
-"If you give examples, do it right LOL"
LOL yourself, Mr. "Don't be an ignorant".
(What an ignorant idiot you are!)
em745aa 5 months ago
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@em745aa You claim typhoons are ba for one plane having thos isues. Ejection eat site not woking.
f-16.net/news_article1768.html LOL
I aid the stealth gets afected and deterioed by ran, no that th f-22 esnt't wrk.
You call me an ignorant? Do i claim all airplanes of one kind horrible due to one precise modl?
LOL, Go back to the kindergarten.
Argument faile. Wel, you tred!
Yes, my keyboard shitted, sing scren kboard,tat'hs why bad writing
spanish111japan 5 months ago
@spanish111japan -"I aid the stealth gets afected and deterioed by ran"
And the idiocy continues on...
Rain also affects RADAR, dumbass!
And how much rain is there at altitudes jet fighters fly at, hmm? Fighters usually fly ABOVE clouds... and rain doesn't fall upwards.
MORON!
em745aa 5 months ago
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@em745aa Not 2 replies, but FOUR. Are you serious?
Rain affects the stealth AND RADAR. Who's denying you that ? NOBODY.
Cloud conditions ALWAYS change, some days are higher or lower, they fly higher, but they ALWAYS have to cross behind them, RAIN affects it, and deteriors it.
You're kidding me dude?
spanish111japan 4 months ago
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@em745aa Why dd you end two comments when they fitted in one? You dumb or something bro?
spanish111japan 5 months ago
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@em745aa Some failures! of the Craptor
watch?v=KaoYz90giTk&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL516D19A406AF2D94
Ashaming
watch?v=faB5bIdksi8
It would not had been stopped, even expensive. if it was not crap.
HEADSHOT!
spanish111japan 5 months ago
@spanish111japan -"watch?v=KaoYz90giTk&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL516D19A406AF2D94"
watch?v=RgiThPPnIcY
watch?v=vZ-Mfd6K6CI
Figures that a brain-dead euro-twit such as yourself would use bogus vids as proof of your "research."
Hell, why don't you post that butch-twunt Rachel Madcows's vid and Zeptocrap's "Eurofagger beat F-22" vids while you're at it?
em745aa 5 months ago
And I'll tell you what's "ashaming"... it's the recent MoD report that states the the 4th-gen. relic, NON-stealth, NON-AESA Eurofrauder has a flyaway cost in the same ballpark as the the F-22, and can't even win dogfights against "old" F-16's:
f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-15345.html
em745aa 5 months ago
-"watch?v=faB5bIdksi8"
That's a YF-22 prototype, you fucking, FUCKING moron. That "crash" happened _TWO DECADES_ ago.
-"It would not had been stopped, even expensive. if it was not crap."
Then by that token, your Eurofrauder is also "crap."
How "crappy" can the F-22 be if there's a FUCKING BAN ON ITS EXPORT, YOU DOOFUS!
em745aa 5 months ago
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spanish111japan 4 months ago
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@em745aa
The united stastes even HIDES F-22 crashes to not ashame their Craptor more. You'r raptor is nothing compared to the new generation fighters.
.reviewjournalcom/lvrj_home/2004/Dec-22-Wed-2004/photos/crash.jpg
washingtonpostcom/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/25/AR2009032502007.html
If you base on aircraft crashes like you're doing now, you're pretty idiotic to think you know about aviation.
But sure, let's compare your way and see your primitive way of intelligence.
spanish111japan 4 months ago
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spanish111japan 4 months ago
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@em745aa I'll leave it in 6 replies.
Go ahead, let's see your idiocracy.
spanish111japan 4 months ago
@spanish111japan -"Cloud conditions ALWAYS change, some days are higher or lower"
Rain _ALWAYS_ falls from low altitudes, idiot!
-"You're basing on a youtuber to call a news report wrong?"
That youtuber is relaying the USAF's official response to the Post article, dumbass!
Google: USAF F-22 RESPONSE WASHINGTON POST
em745aa 4 months ago
-"yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080311134913AA1qT4c"
Wow... A four-year old post mentioning a "super-computer SIMULATION" (which nobody else has apparently heard about)...
LMAO!!!!!!!
Combat-loaded F-22 routinely DOMINATES stripped-down F-16's in dogfight scenarios, while the EF can barely hold even with F-16's and Rafales.
-"f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-15345.html"
The link is VALID! TYPE the links by hand, lazy nitwit! Copy-paste doesn't work right on YouTube.
em745aa 4 months ago
-"watch?v=5Da0JCC7xzc"
An "ashaming" tragedy, JUST LIKE THE SAUDI PILOT WHO DIED LAST YEAR IN HIS EUROFRAUDER!
-"The united stastes even HIDES F-22 crashes"
Well, obviously they're not very good at it, since little pukes like you can dig up these nefarious American cover-ups without much fuss.
em745aa 4 months ago
-"Time to 35.000 ft EF 2.5 MIN F-22 Unknown Maximum speed EF MACH 2 F-22 MACH 1.9"
F-22: Climb rate 61,5k ft/min. with 8 missiles and full tanks, and top speed of Mach 2.4 (as quoted by Paul Metz, test pilot). Supercruise: Mach 1.7+ with missiles and full fuel.
The Eurotrash is a fucking joke by comparison. Even this _BRITISH_ pilot says the F-22 is the best fighter in the world:
watch?v=vZ-Mfd6K6CI
em745aa 4 months ago
-"Typhoon is= Lighter, Faster, can carry more and BETTER weapons"
F-22's payload is over 20k lbs. The EF has the same missiles the F-22 does, and at 16.5k lbs., the EF's payload is nothing special. Even the F-16 can carry 500 lbs. MORE!
-"is more manoubrable due to smaller size"
Does that mean the smaller MiG-21 is more "manoubrable" than the EF? LOL!!!
-"and due to the wing design"
Hi-sweep deltas are SHIT for agility, and bleed more energy in turns than lower-sweep designs.
em745aa 4 months ago
-"Go ahead, let's see your idiocracy."
What the FUCK does "idiocracy" mean?
Jesus Christ! Most of the bullshit you write is indecipherable!
Before accusing others of having "primitive intelligence," you had better learn to use PROPER ENGLISH yourself! Go take a few remedial classes! You need 'em!
(I'm going to quit this nonsense right here, because I don't like beating up on little kids, especially when they're mentally challenged.)
em745aa 4 months ago
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@em745aa
1- I am Spanish, and i'm learning/know FOUR languages, so before you call a person wich knows FOUR languages in front of an idiot who can't EVEN DIFFERENCE canard wing design to Hi-sweep design.
You're comparing a multi-role fighter in front of an air dominance fighter.
You're dumb, dude, it's the truth. Let's argue now about you talking about the Craptor and me talking about the B-52?
Mother of God. You're pretty idiotic.
Don't argue with professionals.
spanish111japan 4 months ago
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@em745aa
'(I'm going to quit this nonsense right here, because I don't like beating up on little kids, especially when they're mentally challenged.)'
Now kids study aviation and are licensed in it.
I truly appreciate your irony.
spanish111japan 4 months ago
@em745aa "channel not avalible says evrything" XD
SLiDaRr 3 months ago
@SLiDaRr "'channel not avalible says evrything'? XD"
Which of course negates everything I've said, right?
What do you want to know about me?
My nationality? (Canadian)
My height? (5'11")
My hair color? (dirty blond)
My cock size? (8.5" :) )
(Seriously, is that the best rebuttal you can come up with?!)
em745aa 3 months ago
@em745aa sry my fault your profile isnt open so i thought it got deleted...nevermind.
But i get that u love the overrated F-22. ;)
Its a very nice aircraft with the best tech. but by far toooooooooooo expensive.
And there is simply no real use for it. ok u can use it as multi-role fighter.....150 millon is just too much to be effective.
i stick with the EF wich is almost on pair and costs half as much. sry bad eng.
SLiDaRr 3 months ago
@SLiDaRr -"i stick with the EF wich is almost on pair and costs half as much. sry bad eng."
So sorry, but the numbers coming out of the UK's own MoD (this year) testify that the EF is AT LEAST as expensive as the F-22, and COSTS MORE to maintain.
The EF is a fucking joke, especially considering it isn't stealth, has no fielded AESA, can't supercruise like the F-22 (i.e. Mach 1.7+ with 8 missiles) and has a payload of 500 lbs LESS than an F-16.
em745aa 3 months ago
@em745aa "can't supercruise like the F-22"
but it can not as fast as the F-22 (MACH 1.2-1.5) but it can.
SLiDaRr 3 months ago
@SLiDaRr -"but it can not as fast as the F-22 (MACH 1.2-1.5) but it can."
Those Mach 1.5 claims were made by EADS years ago and were blown way out of proportion, just like those claims that the EF was "stealthy."
Note that EADS does NOT make either of those claims anymore. They amounted to nothing more than blatantly false advertising by a company trying to sell off their product as a "cut-rate" F-22. Problem is, nobody was buying the rhetoric.
em745aa 3 months ago
Realistically, the EF *MAY* be able to cruise at Mach 1.1-1.2 with a LIMITED missile loadout (i.e. 4 AMRAAMs), but there's no real word as to HOW LONG it can sustain that kind of flight regime.
The F-22 can fly all day long at over Mach 1.7 (or at least until it runs out of gas) with 8 missiles. You need internal missile bays and engines that are specifically designed for that kind of sustained hi-Mach flight. Your EF DOES NOT have either!
em745aa 3 months ago
@em745aa yeah of course.....big LOL
EF has no supercruise...ha! ....just what for sources are u getting ur info from?
f-22 cost as much as the Ef...still laughthing...maintenance...of the EF as much EF...still...! sry couldnt hold it. i searched the whole inet and couldnt find any affirmation of ur claims.
if this comment makes u angry just give a link in a pm. and if it proves that iam wrong i take everything back. i hope i provoked u a bit for it. :D dont dislike u though. because.....
SLiDaRr 3 months ago
EF and F-22 Rules the sky
SLiDaRr 3 months ago
@SLiDaRr -"EF has no supercruise...ha! ....just what for sources are u getting ur info from?"
It doesn't supercruise as per Lockheed Martin's definition: SUSTAINED Mach 1.5 (and above) with a full AtA combat load.
As for the rest, you're not using the right search terms in Google.
Google this: EUROFIGHTER COST NATIONAL AUDIT OFFICE 2011
(Laugh at THAT!)
em745aa 3 months ago
@em745aa indeed iam laughing. saw the "Articles" and yep as i thought they are not trustworthy, enough. Yeah visual stealth you cant lock on... maybe for the F-15's.
When u think this supercruise then ur totally wrong. Supercruise is the ability of an aircraft to maintain supersonic flight, fully loaded, efficiently and without using afterburners. nothing with MACH 1.5 bulls.... Lockheed Martin meant only that the F-22 can do MACH 1.5 in supercruise fully loaded. they dont own supercruise XD
SLiDaRr 3 months ago
@SLiDaRr -"and yep as i thought they are not trustworthy, enough."
Then you're an idiot.
Case closed.
em745aa 3 months ago
@em745aa damn this discussion was intresting, aggresive and now...just because i dont believe an article on an private HP. lol u cant even tell only one positive aspect bout the EF. I Know The EF is a car right? it seems u r the type of guy who sees only his beloved F-22 any other is just crap to u. sad. iam at least open for all! and not like u:" F22 is better, supercruise is a Lockheed Martin patent etc" idiot yeah kk u r clearly ignorant. Case closed.
SLiDaRr 3 months ago
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@SLiDaRr Good job Frank didnt patent the Jet engine then otherwise the arguement would be dead. Supercruise schnoopercruise :)
KowBoySpace 2 weeks ago
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spanish111japan 4 months ago
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@em745aa
F-22 Top speed 2.4? LOL
WRONG
F-22 Mach 1.9
Typhoon Mach 2.0
Fucking joke? It can carry ten times more various weapons than your Craptors, ten times more weapon load, ten times more fuel load.
You call it a joke?
'watch?v=vZ-Mfd6K6CI'
Don't repeat your links, you're annoying.
spanish111japan 4 months ago
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@em745aa You can obviously see how many F-22 crashes are known out there, why does the US govt don't mention most of them? Tell me why?
spanish111japan 4 months ago
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@em745aa
What the fuck dude, are you dumb or something?
Computer simulation uses real life data, wich tells you a lot.
''Combat-loaded F-22 routinely DOMINATES stripped-down F-16's in dogfight scenarios, while the EF can barely hold even with F-16's and Rafales.''
LOL
That's enough to qualify you as a retard.
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spanish111japan 4 months ago
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@em745aa Rain allways falls from low altitudes?
WRONG
Altitude of clouds always depends, and it's never always low.
You seem to have a lack of first grade lessons too.
That youtuber is saying nothing but bullshit, like the website.
Truth hurts you, it hurts you to know the F-22 is an expired piece of metal.
For some reason there have been built less than 200 F-22s, even their cost.
If something is worth it, it's bought.
If not, it's not bought.
You can see the EF-2000. King of best
spanish111japan 4 months ago
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@em745aa
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LOL
Are you fucking kidding me? Have you got mind problems or something?
If you're trying to have the reason over an aviation expert, you must be something dumb.
Just go back to your trollcave to masturbate. You're only a wannabee airplane fan.
spanish111japan 4 months ago
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spanish111japan 4 months ago
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@em745aa Also, letting you know that you must be childish by your attitude.
Insulting to death and comparing two aircrafts of the same team as if they were enemies?
You're dumb or you train specially for it?
F-22= Air combat
EF-2000= Ground attack, Air Combat, Naval Attack.
F-22? Waste
spanish111japan 4 months ago
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@spanish111japan right.. it's correct.... very.. very.. good...
inFernalEmmIsaRY47 5 months ago
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@The88Razor88 HEH!.. very well then.. let's see your knowledge in aviation.... just who are you to order spanish111japan.. to restudy aviation.. you don't know.. spanish111japan might be professional in aviation but you.. just who are you?.. .. are you sure that all of what you said is correct.... about EF vs. F-22? I.. know.. a small knowledge about aviation.... but.. lets.. see what's your knowledge in aviation is....
inFernalEmmIsaRY47 5 months ago
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@inFernalEmmIsaRY47 Thanks! Someone who is intelligent !
spanish111japan 5 months ago
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@Imhotterthenyou11 Adding too that the Typhoon is 4.5, NOT 4.
spanish111japan 5 months ago
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@Imhotterthenyou11 that means 0 its not manuvarable its like a muscle car a lot of power 0 control and its not invisable the russians never had any problems of detecting the crapy stealht planes
the only thing i cant argue abouth is that the raptor looks good but thats not what fighter jets are made for
nukstero 5 months ago
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@Imhotterthenyou11 I must admit that the F22 is truly remarkable. But it lacks few things in comparison to the Typhoon. Air to Air the typhoon leaves it for dead. Ok it's 5th gen but they cost twice as much as the eurofighter.
And the Eurofighter has greater manoeuvrability
Polaris543 5 months ago
@Imhotterthenyou11 Lol the EF is an 4.5 gen fighter, just because it isnt designd to be stealthy but for agility! and only that doesnt make a plane inferior. It has stealth abilitys! And the "all mighty stealth dosent mean sh.. for the EF in dogfight. think why it is 4.>5< before u spread any false claims. The EF is way better to handle as the F22 in high g maneuvers at top speed thats what is designd for....! F22 top long range AA. EF top close range AA. F1 vs. Nascar get it?
SLiDaRr 3 months ago
@SLiDaRr -"just because it isnt designd to be stealthy but for agility!"
The F-22 was designed for BOTH, and it beats the EF on agility.
-"It has stealth abilitys!"
No more so than the Rafale or the Superhornet.
-"And the 'all mighty stealth dosent mean sh.. for the EF in dogfight.'"
Google: F-22 GHOST FLEA CAN'T SEE
(1st result)
Stealth does indeed mean a whole lot of shit in a visual-range fight.
em745aa 3 months ago
-"The EF is way better to handle as the F22 in high g maneuvers at top speed thats what is designd for....!"
Now THAT's funny!! I *KNOW* for a fact that there's no documented proof to support this fanboy claim.
There's nothing like a visual reality check to drive home the point that in a F-22 vs. EF dogfight, the EF would be toast:
watch?v=pB2xjexTqqQ
(Keep in mind that the F-22 can perform all these "stunts" with or without loaded weapons bays.)
em745aa 3 months ago
@em745aa 1st very nice vid! but all are lowspeed "stunts". ok EF cant do that (no TVN yet, but is in planning) but its agility is in highspeed not lowspeed. A highspeed demonstration with those stunts r not possible for human an plane. Oh did u know that iam fanboy off both planes. :P
the only thing i complained is the price/effectiveness ratio of the F-22. not what it can do. oh oh here you know the X-31? its almost the EF with TVN looky looky. TVN pls come for the EF.
watch?v=4eaGTU8BD7A
SLiDaRr 3 months ago
Eurofighter = Air-land
F 22 = Air Air...thats why it is built for the US...
Denniboy26 7 months ago
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@Disaveli
I'd say its the other way around. F-22 can't carry that much internal. And external breaks its stealth. At supersonic speed I'd say they're about the same. At subsonic my best guess is the F-22.
EliteGhost001 7 months ago
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The f22 cost twice as much as the eurofighter so i'd be pretty shocked if the eurofighter won. Since according to any American every other countries aircraft are all shit, then the F22 is a reduntant waste of money. Unless of course there is a threat out there, but no American will admit that.
snozdog 7 months ago
f-22 is a stealth fighter designed for air dominance for the next 20 to even 40 years. it has amazing manouverability which is only enhanced by thrust vectoring. it carries fire and forget missiles, so i might have to give it to the f-22.
AngrySwampManStudios 8 months ago
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@AngrySwampManStudios if you haven't noticed the eurofighter typhoon does have fire and forget missiles
and as maneuverable the f22 is the eurofighter far out classes it for agility in close in dog fighting anyway. and if you are talking about close range fighting the stealth wont even matter it is not as if the plane is invisible and does't have a infra red signature.
PS I no it sounds stupid and it is, but how can anyone prove the f22 is stealth and not just an expensive deterrent.
THEROARINGRHINO 7 months ago
@THEROARINGRHINO Well, you don't see russia and china trying to copy the eurofighter do you? Russia and China have way better military tech than europe, but they do try to copy the f-22. This tells me that f-22 has something that some of the most powerful airforces want. Ef is good in its own right though, but it just doesn't compare to the more expensive f-22 that was designed for air superiority. EF competes as far as eficiency, but not in a dogfight. not at all.
AngrySwampManStudios 7 months ago
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@AngrySwampManStudios well you have got me there. And all I can say is take a look at the J 10 :)
THEROARINGRHINO 7 months ago
@THEROARINGRHINO lol good point. j-10 is a eurofighter with a different label. But hell the chinese copy everything. They were a bad example. I don't think they could copy an f-22 to its full potential though.
AngrySwampManStudios 7 months ago 2
@THEROARINGRHINO -"as maneuverable the f22 is the eurofighter far out classes it for agility"
Care to enlighten us on why you think that is? I mean, aside from the fact that you're a Brit and are obviously biased in favor of your "homeboy." ;)
-"and if you are talking about close range fighting the stealth wont even matter"
Oh, you think so, eh?
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em745aa 7 months ago
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@em745aa how about you enlighten us on how you think the eurofighter isn't more manoeuvrable than the
f22? I have seen both of them in flight and when you see the eurofighter dancing around the sky like a ninja on red bull as if g's aren't a problem it gives you a buzz. I know the f 22 is awe-inspiring and it could own a number of typhoons in BVR pit it against typhoon in a dogfight and then see who is the best!!!
typhoon= ninja on red bull
f22= stealth sniperer
THEROARINGRHINO 7 months ago
@THEROARINGRHINO -"how about you enlighten us on how you think the eurofighter isn't more manoeuvrable than the f22"
LOL! Yeah, and prove to me that God DOESN'T exist.
Piss poor comeback!
YOU made the positive assertion that the EF IS more maneuverable, so the burden of proof lies on YOU.
That being said... (cont)
em745aa 7 months ago
F-22 has a 28 dps sustained turn rate at 20k feet and pitch rates TWICE those of an F-16.
F-22 is an unstable wing-tail, which makes it a tail lifter (the stabs counter overpitch by lifting the tail in turns). The EF being an unstable canard-delta, the canards must apply DOWNFORCE on the nose to counteract that same tendency to overpitch. The EF is therefore a downforce-lift platform, and THAT means the F-22 has superior lift/drag and lift/G ratios.
em745aa 7 months ago
Also...
watch?v=pB2xjexTqqQ
-"I have seen both of them in flight..."
And I've read _HONEST_ accounts of Brits who've seen both at RIAT and Farnborough, and they all say the F-22 is more impressive and "does things" the EF could never do.
em745aa 7 months ago
-"also have you heard of PIRATE?"
PIRATE SHMIRATE.
US fighters with IRST's have gone up against the F-22, and it didn't help them any. Should I expect the EF to be different just because its IRST has a "badass" sounding name like PIRATE? LOL!
IRST isn't the stealth "magic bullet" you guys seem to think it is. Its range is severely limited (~20 nm under ideal conditions, MUCH less in bad weather or clouds) and its FOV is minute compared to radar.
em745aa 7 months ago
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@em745aa also have you heard of PIRATE?
THEROARINGRHINO 7 months ago
both are beautiful works off art just think about the lucky bastards fling them a would love to 1500 miles per hour yes please haha
lesm27 8 months ago
Ur video is stupid
marcus1mk 8 months ago
There is no real enemy for Raptor now, even the Eurofighter isn´t an enemy and they will never be enemys.
Raptor is more agile because of Thrust Vectoring, its also Stealth.
The only Point both have is Supercruise
Su33Kampfpilot 8 months ago
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lesm27 8 months ago
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@Su33Kampfpilot
Exactly
Stealth isn't realy what we need atm. Its nice if something DOES happen but right now we need better air-ground capabilities because of those terrorists. Stealth planes won't matter in that war.
EliteGhost001 7 months ago
lol euro-fighters a joke but still no offence to all you euro fighter fans
33333333333333331993 8 months ago
This video sucks...the question wasn't answered and no one seems to be able to give an answer that isn't based solely on thier nationality....
djinnification 9 months ago
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typhoon is actually used in libya.. F22 cant fight properly due to com system and actual and real warfare. F22 is useless.
DianosAbael 9 months ago
the music too loud! i wont to hear the jet-sound!!
gerald2954 9 months ago in playlist Samoloty 1
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RAF Typhoons on trial at NAS China Lake blew the F22s away. The very superior Typhoons, dominated "Within Visual Range" flight, and caused a surprise within the USAF by getting a radar lock on the F22 at a surprisingly long range. Although the next day scheduled. two engagements the USAF decided they didn’t want to play any more and threw everyone out. When this was reported by RAF aircrews an RAF officer ordered an end to the converstaion on security grounds. The F22 is a lemon .
cucumberman1234567 9 months ago