Heh, what ever athiest bozo! Everyone knows that giants roamed the earth, that millions of creatures can fit on a single boat, that someone can survive inside a giant fish. It's all clearly stated in the bible wrote by goat herding towl heads 3000 years ago, It's a safe bet they knew more about the universe than modern day scientists! Bah typical athiest nonsense!
i believe in God as a supreme being, not becuz of the the Bible, if the Bible had never existed i would still have a belief in a God, simply by using common sense, we didnt create ourselves or create the earth, if we did there would be a factory somewhere creating humans from scratch..to me religion, and all books are a form of control, to keep people divided and makes achieving love impossible..the Bible condones slavery, women are lower than animals, and alot of dark scary shit, MEN wrote it
Christians are just dishonest. They want to repent to a God(Yahweh Jehovah) that does everything that that God(Yahweh Jehovah) says is a sin. In other words, They want you to repent to a God(Yahweh Jehovah) that is a sinner because their God(Yahweh Jehovah) can't follow His(Yahweh Jehovah) own rules.
you can be peacefull and nice person even without massmurderer motivating you to do so. religions are inspired by fear and easy answers to big questions. i personally like to know instead of believe.
GOD IS NOT LOVE. CHRISTIANITY IS A FORM OF HUMANISM CREATED (ADOPTED) BY THAT IDIOT PAUL! EMMOTIONS, NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE A BASIS FOR THE HEBREW FAITH! NOT THEN, NOT NOW, NOT EVER! Its not about FEEEEEELLLLINGGS! Thats why they are so easily won over. Luv Luv Luv, they say. They should try think think think. Morons.
brought before him so that he may kill them himself. They dont want to hear it. The historical Jesus and the picture that was painted by imbeciles later are so far removed from one another, its enough to make me want to kill. (well not really, but Id settle for some good stiff poundings) LOL. But remember, if you start making sense , you will go from atheist to some sort of demonic Satanic liar. They are f--king SICK!!! They cant handle the truth!!! What do you say? I say, no wonder(contabove)
your time trying to reason with them. If you want to put the shoe on the other foot I can give you the scripture to do it. Never mind belief. Thats the only way you can reach these morons. Scripture is the only thing they can hear. Admittedly my motives are different but Id love to show you scripturally just how far off the mark they are. Its almost laughable. And as for thier claims of Jesus as Mr. Luveyduvy, the book of Luke shows Jesus demanding that certain individuals be (contabove)
postulate was DEVELOPED FROM THE BEGINNING AND BASED UPON FALSE CONTEXT! So now they are trying to take this approach with you. But they still, as far as Ive seen dont understand what the term PROPER CONTEXT MEANS. Thats how far off they are. I can assure you, this example Ive just used comes from a long list of misquotes, mistranslations and selective references. Its really quite sick. To them its faith before fact ,even if that fact is the scriptures they thump.You really are wasting(contabove
is shown Isaiah 7:14 so that he can say you see Jesus is clearly prophesised. But that same Christian is not encouraged to #1 read the whole chapter.#2 read the surrounding chapters,or#3 educate himself as to the historical background of the verse(what is taking place at the time) Again, lets put belief to the side for a moment. You need to understand that Christians are telling atheist that they are reading out of context because Jews have been proving, just how much the Christian (contabove)
belief for a moment ,lets look at the verse. #1 The origional Hebrew doesnt read 'virgin' at all.#2 The birth was to be a sign to King Ahaz to increase his faith while the 10 tribes were consolidating against his Kingdom with the Syrians.A SIGN, THAT HE WOULD SEE WITH HIS OWN EYES! Jesus being born 750 yrs later would be no sign to Ahaz that would be long dead and buried by then.#3 The child in question is actually born in the following chapter, 8:3 to Isaiah's wife. See, a christian(contabove)
Jesus was in full support of obediance to Mosaic Law. He even told Jews to adhere to it. Paul and his humanistic veiw of who Jesus screwed up the works. Paul abolished the Law, NOT JESUS! The Christian postulate was developed by gentile ignorance concerning the Old Testament. Christians are ones to accuse you of quoting out of context. Here is one of my favourites. I hope you will enjoy it. Christians will tell you that Isaiah 7:14 is a prophesy of Jesus' virgin birth. Never mind(contabove)
the bible is like a childrens story book it is more like a rule book if you actually believe in it that the stuff actually happened its like believing in the lord of the rings.
But not your or my definition of Love, rather it is God’s definition of Love. That is, true justice, and a legitimate offer of Grace and forgiveness.
I only wish you could believe, and maybe calling out to God to spare you from hell, like I did, would he give you Peace through the Cross. God is Love, and he demonstrated it in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
The problem is that you only see one side of the truth. God does judge sin, call it murder, killing, whatever you want, it is judgment. But God also forgives the sins of all those who place their faith in his forgiveness through the atonement of Jesus Christ.
God has no need to repent because he has acted perfectly according to his good nature, and yes, that is love.
Do you eat it, throw it, or give it away. As such, judgment, punishment, blessing, and forgiveness are rightfully the Creators to dispense at his choosing. The context of the Bible is not that God murdered these people, but that he exercised his right to judge them because he is their creator and they rebelled against his plan for creating them. Likewise, you do not (nor does anyone including Christians) possess the right to kill people because you are not their Creator.
Your hang up is not with the Christians. Your hang up is with Creation. If, by some off the wall chance there is a God who created the World and set a standard in place for that world to follow, then it stands to reason that that Creator could and would have a right to exercise dominion over the creation. Much like you have dominion over a cupcake or pie.
Forgive me for intruding on personal ground. I'm convinced that right and wrong are quite real as applied to my own screw-ups. Without redemption I would be quite lost indeed. I intended no offence.
Scientists dont all agree on all their explanations either. Is that the next enterprise you intend to jettison? Let me know when you find the safe haven of unanimity youre looking for where all the members conform to the straw men youve prepared for them. The good thing about straw men, they always lead with their chin, and their always in easy reach when youre ready to deliver your knock out blow. We both agree that false Christianity is false. Consider if there might be a true kind.
To the notion of a physical rather that spiritual Armageddon, that has been a minority believe for most of Christianity, from 381 AD until Hal Lindsey wrote THE LATE GRATE PLANET EARTH. He is quite wrong about that. Throwing over Christianity to manage guilt is like throwing out a Parachute to lighten a crashing plane. Guilt will find you even if youre not a Christian.
Good Christian thinking and bad Christian thinking are not equal just like good science and bad science are not. If the world didnt agree that sex didnt have limits the jails would not be filled with sexual offenders; so the discussion is where the line is drawn not whether one exists. As to losing your temper, if you can now do that with a clean conscience and someone else is miserable how is that better?
Christians often dont argue about fine points of doctrine. An unfortunate result is that some people confuse a mistaken belief for Christianity itself. Undermine the belief the whole system is jeopardized. I and many others believe that miraculous gifts were a place holder for the NT [I Cor 13:10]. Did you conclude that the ecstatic experience of faith lacked explanatory power, and the assurance you were on the right path? Christian faith doesnt have to be built on that.
It's hard to be even handed about possible or probable objectives of a God that you're determined to disbelieve in. What is the real value of enjoying a creation that is vastly better than the one we observe or achieving a relationship superior to any we can attain? You don't know what you are weighing sin and suffering against. By ruling out your being wrong, you forestall the consideration of what your impulses, will not permit.
Friend, the bible says that God is a God of judgment and wrath as well as love, mercy and grace. If you dispute the whole idea of God then youre unimpressed by the fact that God takes every life. If He tells you the reason you call Him a murderer. But clearly a murder is taking a life you have no right to take. Acts of God dont fit the definition.
the bible was written by people not by god, how do they know this? they talk about god like he's their neighbor or something. god any proff god exists other then the bible? and asking then how'd we get there? tell me ;) if not dont bother responding unless you wanna make me laugh;)
Come on dont pretend that you dont know better than that. A battle plan may be carried out by infantrymen but thats hardly evidence that no General was involved. You set up a picture of Christianity suitable for a 9 year old and make that the object of your attack. Good Job. I suppose you believe the regulations of the Obama administration were written by the President.
In fact a reason is given for every death, sin. You would say then, they are all murders. This world was not made as an end but a means, making men at home in heaven. Achieving your fairness notion does not achieve that end. God shows by His actions that this world as you complain about it does for those who would go. To be convinced of this, you must decide on heaven to see for yourself.
you are correct!!not out of contex.God killed a whole lot of people.cant read the bible without a little fear and asking WHYdid God do that?honestly i dont know.. i do not want to get on Gods bad side.
well first of all it's not out of context you're right, if it's true do you just not like it. That's like saying that you don't like a certain law or political person. Does that mean they don't exsist?
Nick, I agree that using the simple term "out of context" is sometimes a dodge used by people. On the other hand, there are consistent principles of hermeneutics which render the Bible understandable. After all, can someone make sense of a large cookbook by random readings of its contents? God is a balanced Being. He is love but He is also described by other nouns and adjectives. Many Christians today want to promote God as simply a great big comic kiss which is not accurate.
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im a christian and some 1 hoo also belives in RESULTS and when you RESEARCH who does the MOST GOOD it is christians . NOT atheists NOT islam AND NOT ANY OTHER KINDS OF PEOPLE. you have to face what has a REAL IMPACT ON THE WORLD and WHATS JUST TALK. i was tired of being SO FAKE ....ha i think you are too, i hope you see the light AND THE JOY THAT JESUS CHRIST CAN AND WILL GIVE IF YOU PUT YOUR TRUST IN HIM AND FOLLOW HIS WAYS, let God bless you.
god does what he does...and we have no place to question it...we might not even understand it...like being told not to play in the street when we were kids. god is not ONLY love...he is also justice and mercy....and wholly unperceivable
woo hoo. 10 grammar points for you brainy. You still believe in an invisible man who can hear everyone who prays to him and lives in the sky. Was science to tough for you? Would you like me to explain a few things for you? I am here to help you as the asylums are not yet taking your kind yet.
Are you really a Gary Glitter fan? I saw your eyes light up as you gave us his biography. 25 hit singles? I bet you have every one don't you? Was he really that big in england? That explains alot, really.
You check out the Guinness Book of Hit singles to see the level of sales he achieved in the 70s - but as with so many people who hit the 'big time' he pissed it up the wall and forgot to pay the tax man and was declared bankrupt before the end of the 70s
You think you are so smart don't you? I've no idea why God kills, but I believe He does. And I believe He loves,again I don't presume to know why.But I do know this, I know why we kicked your snobby English asses out of our country 234 years ago and grasped our Independence! We simply want to live and believe as we want to believe. If we want to believe in God, fine. If we don't, well that's our business isn't it? Quit trying to push your atheistic beliefs (or lack thereof) on everyone else.
I'm a FULL BLOWN Christian that ministers to people daily with amazing results! Helping homeless WITH MY OWN MONEY, & I'm talking bringing as many as 5, 6 or 7 people a night out to eat & even putting them up in motels for the nite if need be.There's videos of a very small amount of these occurrences on my site here.Well. I just want to say I LOVE YOUR VIDEO & will watch more!I'll never tell u "out of context".There's more to it than that.But u make very VALID & EDUCATED points!Lets talk
Do you have any idea how easy it is to win a debate with a Xian?
Why did God let humanity fall in the Garden of Eden?
(and before you say "free will"...)
If God already knows everything, past, present and future, then there is no free will!
God CANNOT "test us" if he is omniscient.
If everything is already planned, why bother worshipping or praying? It won't change anything, and if it does, it means God is capricious OR didn't have the power to forsee and answer your prayer in the 1st place!
Whoa now! i do hope you aren't disrespecting my beliefs by insinuating that Middle Eart might not have existed. It says so right there in the books that they did.
A big part of the Jewish people still follow the Torat , but don't believe in the new testaments , now I am not a judge here , but they are the one who don't follow the scriptures, the scriptures end where the OT ended .
We follow the new testaments as Christians, and without it, the OT is not complete and meaningless.
Yes , who delete a word from the Bible will be cursed, but not necessarily for us as Christians to make the OT our focus, Jesus Christ and His new Bible, is our focus and new teachings.
So, the OT is only in the Bible to create a backstory? If the Ot is now irrelevant, then what is the original sin? Since we're no longer paying attention to the OT. And, did everybody get the memo about the 10 commandments being reduced to 2? i suspect a lot of people still think there are 10. Any reason homosexuality is still a sin?
The OT is not a backstory , but it's simply the 'old' testaments. Jesus didn't abolished it or deleted it, but He renewed it, and completed it.
The new testaments is ALL about Jesus Christ , from A to Z , and that's what counts for us as Christians. The Torat, or the old testament, still connected mostly to a big part of the judaism of today.
We have the new testaments as Christians, and that's what counts the most for us.
You believe in your fairy tales and I'll believe in mine. I prefer to believe that there was a Middle Earth, and we might not have made it from the age of the Elves and Dwarves to the age of Man, if not for the courage of two plucky Hobbits and their seven companions.
Show me one word in the new testament where Jesus Christ ordered or even stated for once that whoever pray for other gods will be murdered.
Satan destroy and kill what God create and build , and he do that out of hatred , envy and jealousy.
God uses the evil plans to make out of it a holy purpose , and His persecution by His enemies , His trial , condemnation , torture , crucifixion and death , is a proof of how God made the untimate sacrifice and redeemed the world through satan's plans.
"Show me one word in the new testament where Jesus Christ ordered"
He didn't have to order, the laws were already set in the OT, and in Matthew 5:17-19 he says that he didn't come to abolish the law or the prophets, they are to be upheld to the very "jot and tittle". (letter and stroke)
And God was handing out death sentences by the bushel full in the OT.
Show me in the old testament where it is written that Jesus will be named Jesus , or Jesus will take 12 as disciples ,beside the traitor. Jesus used the old testaments mostly to proove His true nature and reality as the Son of God. We must not forget that in the OT many wars and killings was mentionned, the jews wanted a God of power and revenge, a Just God more than a merciful God, they portrayed in some verses the god that they need , and they were waiting for an earthly Messiah to be a King.
Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfil. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter,* not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. (cont.)
Therefore, whoever breaks* one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Satan is the little kid who got molested by God, and now he follows the same path as Marilyn Manson and the guy from Virginia Tech. People, angels, spirits, whatever don't just decide to go evil and shit. They have to have a drive for revenge, somthing that makes them want to get even, or some kind of emotional pain that just builds up inside of them.
Satan wasn't molested by God but rebelled against His will , those that you called the evil little kids were not born evil , they became evil from receiving an evil treatement .
You said it right , "they have to have a drive to revenge" , where this drive for revenge and anger came from ? who put it in them and in the people who molested them , God or satan ?
You need to read the Bible again and know by the spirit not the mind what God is all about .
relgion is nothing but trouble, and responsible for 99% of al wars. So you relgious people can take your believes,
and shove it there were daylight almost
never comes!
Fuck you, fuck religion, and fuck god, because he doesn't excist, and if there was a jesus, then he doesn't do jack shit, because he's dead, you hear me? DEAD, D.E.A.D.!!!! So how stuppid can you be to let a dead or non excisting figure lead you stuppid and patfethic lifes? Fucking idiots, that's what religious people are!
bla bla bla...jesus says this, jesus does that. Well, you know what? Jesus doesn't
excist you moron! So he doesn't say or does anything at all, and whatever he said when he was alive, you don't know jack shit about that, because you weren't there when he was arround, whenever he was arround, because
that's something you can't proove, so stop
brainwash yourself and others with that
stuppid shit called religion, because you have no right to shove that crap to our throats you idiot!
Don't you know that there are the forces of evil on the other side ?
They are the one who do all the killings bro , and they do it through people who are away in their hearts from God , God create and give life , and if He allowed all that to happen , is because we want it to happen by refusing His help , by rejecting His love and mercy , by turning away ourselves as well as our children away from Him .
Are you saying that Satan somehow infiltrated the Bible and ordered to murder those who pray other gods ? Yeah, this is what written in Bible. It was a turning point for me to understand the foolishness of it.
And jews are god's chosen people cos they wrote it (Bible) first. :D
Jews are not God's chosen people anymore , the used to be , read the wedding parable in the new testament and you'll understand " the first will be the last and the last will be the first "
Show me one word in the new testament where Jesus Christ ordered or even stated for once that whoever pray for other gods ..
Now if you're talking about the old testament , don't forget that the people who wrote it wanted God to portray God the way they see Him , revengeful , God of the chosen people.
god kills people, controls all things yet lets his son die(which means he is responsible for killing him) and then tells us we cant kill, unless he asks us to or if somebody else commits the horrendous sin of not beleiving in him.
Because you people exist, and you're trying to do all sorts of evil things in this world because of your religion. We have to destroy it for humanity to survive.
and supports slavery, maybe they talk to their god and ask him to make an upgrade to modern times of the bible 2.0, with modern rules and modern science to explain the ilogic and butchery parts their beloved godhandwriters put in their pile of bullshit Bible 1.0.
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T.H.O.M.P.S.O.N. = "Theist-Hater Only Makes Points Showing Obvious Nescience"
But you are right in quoted the destructive portions of the Bible that shows God will punish evil-doers. Hopefully you will change course before death or you too will be breathing fire in the coming conflagration revealed in Revelation 20:15 as the lake of fire (the second death).
What's very positive is that atheists are becoming more and more accepted and don't have to hide our lack of theistic beliefs any longer. That is very freeing.
Thanks for your courage. I think you are actually referring to Paulists, which is the true teaching of Catholicism and those religions that sprang from it (most Protestantism, Evangelism, etc.). Unity is a Christian group which teaches Christian Idealism, the positive aspects of the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, and shouldn't be included with the others (I'm not a member).
There is no death to God only to man. All people "die", is your point when they "die" or how they "die"? By your definition all men should live forever on the earth because for God to let men die at all is evil. It is your desire to be immortal that is at question. The problem is you wish to be immortal without cause or reason and on your own terms. If we all lived forever there would be no more births or the world would overpopulate so I ask, who deserves to die? Who would you kill?
When he says god kills people he's not talking about the fact that all people die... He's talking about the nice stories from the Bible where God kills people with his own Holy powers. Like when he kills every first born son in egypt because the pharoh didn't let the jewish slaves go...
Apparently God drowned the entire world from the last Christian I talked to because of demons havign sex people people making "Gaints." So yeah, lets kill everyone to kill a few gaints. Makes sense me, how bout you? Even if it was because we were "wicked" or what not, I'm sure there were more than 2 good people in the world. And what is "wicked" anyway? Not loving a mass murdering, narcissistic, with a inferiority complex.
Never heard the term "Atheism Pride," but it certainly has a nice ring.
God is a concept, a metaphor derived from understanding shared by ancient people--not a person or personality. I think we're starting to see people finally coming to see the truth and reject "traditional" religion. There is no reason to believe in the supernatural, when all can be explained by more plausible natural explanations.
Average Christians have no idea of the Bible. They are so confused being settled with contradiction that they are content with things such as 'God is Love...you will burn in Hell'.
That's why I stopped being a Christian a few years ago.I found that the Bible has been used by power hungry men for centuries to beat & control people who do not agree with them.
Human beings (being non-perfect) CAN be forgiven for evil done long ago if they change for the better BUT God (who is perfect, remember) gets no second chance to get it right. Once a murderer always a murderer!
Heh, what ever athiest bozo! Everyone knows that giants roamed the earth, that millions of creatures can fit on a single boat, that someone can survive inside a giant fish. It's all clearly stated in the bible wrote by goat herding towl heads 3000 years ago, It's a safe bet they knew more about the universe than modern day scientists! Bah typical athiest nonsense!
MrKitteh101 5 days ago
i believe in God as a supreme being, not becuz of the the Bible, if the Bible had never existed i would still have a belief in a God, simply by using common sense, we didnt create ourselves or create the earth, if we did there would be a factory somewhere creating humans from scratch..to me religion, and all books are a form of control, to keep people divided and makes achieving love impossible..the Bible condones slavery, women are lower than animals, and alot of dark scary shit, MEN wrote it
fhab525 1 month ago
Christians are just dishonest. They want to repent to a God(Yahweh Jehovah) that does everything that that God(Yahweh Jehovah) says is a sin. In other words, They want you to repent to a God(Yahweh Jehovah) that is a sinner because their God(Yahweh Jehovah) can't follow His(Yahweh Jehovah) own rules.
halolIlmao0 1 month ago
you can be peacefull and nice person even without massmurderer motivating you to do so. religions are inspired by fear and easy answers to big questions. i personally like to know instead of believe.
PanORotta 6 months ago
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john17972 9 months ago
@john17972 deist means you have a religion god can do what ever he wants
BatmanbinSuperman12 7 months ago
There are other lines of defense:
(1) Who are you to question (or judge) God
(2) Redefining the meaning of the word (like defining slavery as 'servants of God')
(3) Religions must be respected and not questioned.
(4) Or diverting the topic to how evil atheists are.
rpcarnell 11 months ago
GOD IS NOT LOVE. CHRISTIANITY IS A FORM OF HUMANISM CREATED (ADOPTED) BY THAT IDIOT PAUL! EMMOTIONS, NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE A BASIS FOR THE HEBREW FAITH! NOT THEN, NOT NOW, NOT EVER! Its not about FEEEEEELLLLINGGS! Thats why they are so easily won over. Luv Luv Luv, they say. They should try think think think. Morons.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 1 year ago
they get stonewalled by the Jewish people. They think the Christians are special needs idiots. Im starting to agree.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 1 year ago
brought before him so that he may kill them himself. They dont want to hear it. The historical Jesus and the picture that was painted by imbeciles later are so far removed from one another, its enough to make me want to kill. (well not really, but Id settle for some good stiff poundings) LOL. But remember, if you start making sense , you will go from atheist to some sort of demonic Satanic liar. They are f--king SICK!!! They cant handle the truth!!! What do you say? I say, no wonder(contabove)
SCORNDOGGMELACH 1 year ago
your time trying to reason with them. If you want to put the shoe on the other foot I can give you the scripture to do it. Never mind belief. Thats the only way you can reach these morons. Scripture is the only thing they can hear. Admittedly my motives are different but Id love to show you scripturally just how far off the mark they are. Its almost laughable. And as for thier claims of Jesus as Mr. Luveyduvy, the book of Luke shows Jesus demanding that certain individuals be (contabove)
SCORNDOGGMELACH 1 year ago
postulate was DEVELOPED FROM THE BEGINNING AND BASED UPON FALSE CONTEXT! So now they are trying to take this approach with you. But they still, as far as Ive seen dont understand what the term PROPER CONTEXT MEANS. Thats how far off they are. I can assure you, this example Ive just used comes from a long list of misquotes, mistranslations and selective references. Its really quite sick. To them its faith before fact ,even if that fact is the scriptures they thump.You really are wasting(contabove
SCORNDOGGMELACH 1 year ago
is shown Isaiah 7:14 so that he can say you see Jesus is clearly prophesised. But that same Christian is not encouraged to #1 read the whole chapter.#2 read the surrounding chapters,or#3 educate himself as to the historical background of the verse(what is taking place at the time) Again, lets put belief to the side for a moment. You need to understand that Christians are telling atheist that they are reading out of context because Jews have been proving, just how much the Christian (contabove)
SCORNDOGGMELACH 1 year ago
belief for a moment ,lets look at the verse. #1 The origional Hebrew doesnt read 'virgin' at all.#2 The birth was to be a sign to King Ahaz to increase his faith while the 10 tribes were consolidating against his Kingdom with the Syrians.A SIGN, THAT HE WOULD SEE WITH HIS OWN EYES! Jesus being born 750 yrs later would be no sign to Ahaz that would be long dead and buried by then.#3 The child in question is actually born in the following chapter, 8:3 to Isaiah's wife. See, a christian(contabove)
SCORNDOGGMELACH 1 year ago
Jesus was in full support of obediance to Mosaic Law. He even told Jews to adhere to it. Paul and his humanistic veiw of who Jesus screwed up the works. Paul abolished the Law, NOT JESUS! The Christian postulate was developed by gentile ignorance concerning the Old Testament. Christians are ones to accuse you of quoting out of context. Here is one of my favourites. I hope you will enjoy it. Christians will tell you that Isaiah 7:14 is a prophesy of Jesus' virgin birth. Never mind(contabove)
SCORNDOGGMELACH 1 year ago
the bible is like a childrens story book it is more like a rule book if you actually believe in it that the stuff actually happened its like believing in the lord of the rings.
czechdog2 1 year ago
But not your or my definition of Love, rather it is God’s definition of Love. That is, true justice, and a legitimate offer of Grace and forgiveness.
I only wish you could believe, and maybe calling out to God to spare you from hell, like I did, would he give you Peace through the Cross. God is Love, and he demonstrated it in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
tonywmail 1 year ago
If you kill someone it is murder.
The problem is that you only see one side of the truth. God does judge sin, call it murder, killing, whatever you want, it is judgment. But God also forgives the sins of all those who place their faith in his forgiveness through the atonement of Jesus Christ.
God has no need to repent because he has acted perfectly according to his good nature, and yes, that is love.
tonywmail 1 year ago
Do you eat it, throw it, or give it away. As such, judgment, punishment, blessing, and forgiveness are rightfully the Creators to dispense at his choosing. The context of the Bible is not that God murdered these people, but that he exercised his right to judge them because he is their creator and they rebelled against his plan for creating them. Likewise, you do not (nor does anyone including Christians) possess the right to kill people because you are not their Creator.
tonywmail 1 year ago
Your hang up is not with the Christians. Your hang up is with Creation. If, by some off the wall chance there is a God who created the World and set a standard in place for that world to follow, then it stands to reason that that Creator could and would have a right to exercise dominion over the creation. Much like you have dominion over a cupcake or pie.
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tonywmail 1 year ago
Christians = pwnt.
A100101100101 1 year ago
The god of the Old Testament killed over 2.3 Million not counting the the two cases of Genocide before there was a Law.
PastorIblis 1 year ago
If Christians want to take their religion seriously they need to eschew "God is love."
baigandine 1 year ago
Forgive me for intruding on personal ground. I'm convinced that right and wrong are quite real as applied to my own screw-ups. Without redemption I would be quite lost indeed. I intended no offence.
Sirduke62 2 years ago
Scientists dont all agree on all their explanations either. Is that the next enterprise you intend to jettison? Let me know when you find the safe haven of unanimity youre looking for where all the members conform to the straw men youve prepared for them. The good thing about straw men, they always lead with their chin, and their always in easy reach when youre ready to deliver your knock out blow. We both agree that false Christianity is false. Consider if there might be a true kind.
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Sirduke62 2 years ago
To the notion of a physical rather that spiritual Armageddon, that has been a minority believe for most of Christianity, from 381 AD until Hal Lindsey wrote THE LATE GRATE PLANET EARTH. He is quite wrong about that. Throwing over Christianity to manage guilt is like throwing out a Parachute to lighten a crashing plane. Guilt will find you even if youre not a Christian.
Sirduke62 2 years ago
Good Christian thinking and bad Christian thinking are not equal just like good science and bad science are not. If the world didnt agree that sex didnt have limits the jails would not be filled with sexual offenders; so the discussion is where the line is drawn not whether one exists. As to losing your temper, if you can now do that with a clean conscience and someone else is miserable how is that better?
Sirduke62 2 years ago
Christians often dont argue about fine points of doctrine. An unfortunate result is that some people confuse a mistaken belief for Christianity itself. Undermine the belief the whole system is jeopardized. I and many others believe that miraculous gifts were a place holder for the NT [I Cor 13:10]. Did you conclude that the ecstatic experience of faith lacked explanatory power, and the assurance you were on the right path? Christian faith doesnt have to be built on that.
Sirduke62 2 years ago
It's hard to be even handed about possible or probable objectives of a God that you're determined to disbelieve in. What is the real value of enjoying a creation that is vastly better than the one we observe or achieving a relationship superior to any we can attain? You don't know what you are weighing sin and suffering against. By ruling out your being wrong, you forestall the consideration of what your impulses, will not permit.
Sirduke62 2 years ago
Friend, the bible says that God is a God of judgment and wrath as well as love, mercy and grace. If you dispute the whole idea of God then youre unimpressed by the fact that God takes every life. If He tells you the reason you call Him a murderer. But clearly a murder is taking a life you have no right to take. Acts of God dont fit the definition.
Sirduke62 2 years ago
the bible was written by people not by god, how do they know this? they talk about god like he's their neighbor or something. god any proff god exists other then the bible? and asking then how'd we get there? tell me ;) if not dont bother responding unless you wanna make me laugh;)
peace- david hehe;)
dukelinius 2 years ago
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Sirduke62 2 years ago
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Come on dont pretend that you dont know better than that. A battle plan may be carried out by infantrymen but thats hardly evidence that no General was involved. You set up a picture of Christianity suitable for a 9 year old and make that the object of your attack. Good Job. I suppose you believe the regulations of the Obama administration were written by the President.
Sirduke62 2 years ago
In fact a reason is given for every death, sin. You would say then, they are all murders. This world was not made as an end but a means, making men at home in heaven. Achieving your fairness notion does not achieve that end. God shows by His actions that this world as you complain about it does for those who would go. To be convinced of this, you must decide on heaven to see for yourself.
Sirduke62 2 years ago
Agree!Fuck you god,we do not want to know you:)Good job mate.
phillozoph50 2 years ago
you are correct!!not out of contex.God killed a whole lot of people.cant read the bible without a little fear and asking WHYdid God do that?honestly i dont know.. i do not want to get on Gods bad side.
RubyLee333 2 years ago
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Ebinification 2 years ago
...we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL men, specially of those that believe. 1 Tim 4:10
legaldropout 2 years ago
OUT OF CONTEXT!
SouthernWhiteTrash 2 years ago
spread the good word, brotha'!!!
thesaxist02 2 years ago
Excellent.
caligulaincarnate 2 years ago
well first of all it's not out of context you're right, if it's true do you just not like it. That's like saying that you don't like a certain law or political person. Does that mean they don't exsist?
ryry617 2 years ago
Nick, I agree that using the simple term "out of context" is sometimes a dodge used by people. On the other hand, there are consistent principles of hermeneutics which render the Bible understandable. After all, can someone make sense of a large cookbook by random readings of its contents? God is a balanced Being. He is love but He is also described by other nouns and adjectives. Many Christians today want to promote God as simply a great big comic kiss which is not accurate.
Henry10th 2 years ago
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im a christian and some 1 hoo also belives in RESULTS and when you RESEARCH who does the MOST GOOD it is christians . NOT atheists NOT islam AND NOT ANY OTHER KINDS OF PEOPLE. you have to face what has a REAL IMPACT ON THE WORLD and WHATS JUST TALK. i was tired of being SO FAKE ....ha i think you are too, i hope you see the light AND THE JOY THAT JESUS CHRIST CAN AND WILL GIVE IF YOU PUT YOUR TRUST IN HIM AND FOLLOW HIS WAYS, let God bless you.
forestwhiticer 2 years ago
and i take it you're basing this on what? keep in mind hitler was a christian.
you're right, you can't argue with results.
idiot.
chloe3353 2 years ago
LOL! so you are more merciful than God and you judge him. LOL! oh you holy thing.
freedomalert 3 years ago
god does what he does...and we have no place to question it...we might not even understand it...like being told not to play in the street when we were kids. god is not ONLY love...he is also justice and mercy....and wholly unperceivable
piemonade 3 years ago
god is really non-existent and you really must have no mind if you believe in this
lionsfan42 3 years ago
if "god is nonexistent" is an intelligent statement...i will continue to be an idiot...thanks for the laugh =]
piemonade 3 years ago
well this "god" is either non-existent or THE shittiest one, with the intelligence and attitude of a three year old
lionsfan42 3 years ago
ignorance is bliss eh?
ajtaggs 2 years ago
woo hoo. 10 grammar points for you brainy. You still believe in an invisible man who can hear everyone who prays to him and lives in the sky. Was science to tough for you? Would you like me to explain a few things for you? I am here to help you as the asylums are not yet taking your kind yet.
fibbsabaddy 2 years ago
Are you really a Gary Glitter fan? I saw your eyes light up as you gave us his biography. 25 hit singles? I bet you have every one don't you? Was he really that big in england? That explains alot, really.
jcribson73 3 years ago
You check out the Guinness Book of Hit singles to see the level of sales he achieved in the 70s - but as with so many people who hit the 'big time' he pissed it up the wall and forgot to pay the tax man and was declared bankrupt before the end of the 70s
mattblackcat 3 years ago
You think you are so smart don't you? I've no idea why God kills, but I believe He does. And I believe He loves,again I don't presume to know why.But I do know this, I know why we kicked your snobby English asses out of our country 234 years ago and grasped our Independence! We simply want to live and believe as we want to believe. If we want to believe in God, fine. If we don't, well that's our business isn't it? Quit trying to push your atheistic beliefs (or lack thereof) on everyone else.
jcribson73 3 years ago
Awesome video. I've recently found myself in the same situation.
garsyver 3 years ago
Gary Glitter's out of jail!
Lookatmeimdriving5 3 years ago
Satan=Sauron
Jesus=Gandalf
Moses=Elrond
Abraham=Bilbo
Noe=Frodo
Makes sense to me :D
Kossec 3 years ago
Nick,
I'm a FULL BLOWN Christian that ministers to people daily with amazing results! Helping homeless WITH MY OWN MONEY, & I'm talking bringing as many as 5, 6 or 7 people a night out to eat & even putting them up in motels for the nite if need be.There's videos of a very small amount of these occurrences on my site here.Well. I just want to say I LOVE YOUR VIDEO & will watch more!I'll never tell u "out of context".There's more to it than that.But u make very VALID & EDUCATED points!Lets talk
davidbrucemusicvideo 3 years ago 3
Do you have any idea how easy it is to win a debate with a Xian?
Why did God let humanity fall in the Garden of Eden?
(and before you say "free will"...)
If God already knows everything, past, present and future, then there is no free will!
God CANNOT "test us" if he is omniscient.
If everything is already planned, why bother worshipping or praying? It won't change anything, and if it does, it means God is capricious OR didn't have the power to forsee and answer your prayer in the 1st place!
buffdaddy3144 3 years ago
Dear Nick, You seem to have focused your rage at someone you do not claim to believe in. Is that logical?
Apparently you are not the atheist you claim to be. You are just mad at God. The problem with that as I see it, is this....
Whether you like what He has done in the past, or what He will do in the future is of no consequence to someone who is all powerful.
pezzman2 3 years ago
We have to discern between a fairy tale and the Truth.
All we need is to follow Jesus : whoever wanted to follow Me , let him deny himself , lift his cross and follow Me, plain and simple.
No need to decode the scriptures, there are people who don't even know how to read , and they are better than all the preachers out there.
comali2212 3 years ago
Whoa now! i do hope you aren't disrespecting my beliefs by insinuating that Middle Eart might not have existed. It says so right there in the books that they did.
NormDePlume69 3 years ago 2
Alrighty , I respect your beliefs ..
comali2212 3 years ago
In another word , to follow Jesus Christ , all I need as a Christian or even other than a Christian , is to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
comali2212 3 years ago
A big part of the Jewish people still follow the Torat , but don't believe in the new testaments , now I am not a judge here , but they are the one who don't follow the scriptures, the scriptures end where the OT ended .
comali2212 3 years ago
We follow the new testaments as Christians, and without it, the OT is not complete and meaningless.
Yes , who delete a word from the Bible will be cursed, but not necessarily for us as Christians to make the OT our focus, Jesus Christ and His new Bible, is our focus and new teachings.
comali2212 3 years ago
He came to fulfill what is written about Him only, " It is accomplished ", these were His last words.
He came to fulfill what is written about Him.
No need for the old testaments anymore, we have the good news, we can't keep stucked in the old testaments,we remain faithful to it only.
Jesus came to fulfill what is written about Him only on the tongues of the prophets.
In the OT, the jews were the chosen people, in the new T , the gentiles as well became the chosen people,thats the renewal.
comali2212 3 years ago
So, the OT is only in the Bible to create a backstory? If the Ot is now irrelevant, then what is the original sin? Since we're no longer paying attention to the OT. And, did everybody get the memo about the 10 commandments being reduced to 2? i suspect a lot of people still think there are 10. Any reason homosexuality is still a sin?
NormDePlume69 3 years ago
Perversity is a sin , and in all its aspects.
The OT is not a backstory , but it's simply the 'old' testaments. Jesus didn't abolished it or deleted it, but He renewed it, and completed it.
The new testaments is ALL about Jesus Christ , from A to Z , and that's what counts for us as Christians. The Torat, or the old testament, still connected mostly to a big part of the judaism of today.
We have the new testaments as Christians, and that's what counts the most for us.
comali2212 3 years ago
Y'okay, whatever.
You believe in your fairy tales and I'll believe in mine. I prefer to believe that there was a Middle Earth, and we might not have made it from the age of the Elves and Dwarves to the age of Man, if not for the courage of two plucky Hobbits and their seven companions.
NormDePlume69 3 years ago 6
Show me one word in the new testament where Jesus Christ ordered or even stated for once that whoever pray for other gods will be murdered.
Satan destroy and kill what God create and build , and he do that out of hatred , envy and jealousy.
God uses the evil plans to make out of it a holy purpose , and His persecution by His enemies , His trial , condemnation , torture , crucifixion and death , is a proof of how God made the untimate sacrifice and redeemed the world through satan's plans.
comali2212 3 years ago
"Show me one word in the new testament where Jesus Christ ordered"
He didn't have to order, the laws were already set in the OT, and in Matthew 5:17-19 he says that he didn't come to abolish the law or the prophets, they are to be upheld to the very "jot and tittle". (letter and stroke)
And God was handing out death sentences by the bushel full in the OT.
NormDePlume69 3 years ago
Show me in the old testament where it is written that Jesus will be named Jesus , or Jesus will take 12 as disciples ,beside the traitor. Jesus used the old testaments mostly to proove His true nature and reality as the Son of God. We must not forget that in the OT many wars and killings was mentionned, the jews wanted a God of power and revenge, a Just God more than a merciful God, they portrayed in some verses the god that they need , and they were waiting for an earthly Messiah to be a King.
comali2212 3 years ago
The mention of Jesus in Ot is irrelevant. Jesus decreed the laws of the OT must be upheld. Who are you say what Jesus "mostly used" the OT for?
Matthew 5:17-19
Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfil. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter,* not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. (cont.)
NormDePlume69 3 years ago
(cont.)
Therefore, whoever breaks* one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
NormDePlume69 3 years ago
Jesus didn't come to abolish the OT , but to " renew it ", to complete it by " a new testaments.
He didn't delete the 10 commandements , but He reduced them into 2 commandements.
He told the jews when they asked Him about the divorce, He told them because of the hardness of their hearts Moses allowed the divorce..
So Jesus came and brought with Him the wind of change, the good news , new teachings that nailed Him on a cross.
comali2212 3 years ago
Satan is the little kid who got molested by God, and now he follows the same path as Marilyn Manson and the guy from Virginia Tech. People, angels, spirits, whatever don't just decide to go evil and shit. They have to have a drive for revenge, somthing that makes them want to get even, or some kind of emotional pain that just builds up inside of them.
setustraight 3 years ago
God is the creator not the molester.
Satan wasn't molested by God but rebelled against His will , those that you called the evil little kids were not born evil , they became evil from receiving an evil treatement .
You said it right , "they have to have a drive to revenge" , where this drive for revenge and anger came from ? who put it in them and in the people who molested them , God or satan ?
You need to read the Bible again and know by the spirit not the mind what God is all about .
comali2212 3 years ago
Satan is the unsung hero in the Bible.
All through the OT, god smites millions of people.
Satan freed us from God's oppression by showing us the tree of knowledge.
He constantly questions God's morality and never harmed a hair on anyone's head in the Bible (except Job, but it was God's idea and WAGER).
There is a part of Leviticus where God actually puts a PRICE on human life.
Now, I know the Bible is fiction, but if it were real I'd follow Satan's rebellion in a heartbeat.
buffdaddy3144 3 years ago
relgion is nothing but trouble, and responsible for 99% of al wars. So you relgious people can take your believes,
and shove it there were daylight almost
never comes!
Fuck you, fuck religion, and fuck god, because he doesn't excist, and if there was a jesus, then he doesn't do jack shit, because he's dead, you hear me? DEAD, D.E.A.D.!!!! So how stuppid can you be to let a dead or non excisting figure lead you stuppid and patfethic lifes? Fucking idiots, that's what religious people are!
3DPeter 3 years ago
My god, if you changed the word 'religion' to 'men' you'd sound like a radical feminist.
Fr33artist 3 years ago
bla bla bla...jesus says this, jesus does that. Well, you know what? Jesus doesn't
excist you moron! So he doesn't say or does anything at all, and whatever he said when he was alive, you don't know jack shit about that, because you weren't there when he was arround, whenever he was arround, because
that's something you can't proove, so stop
brainwash yourself and others with that
stuppid shit called religion, because you have no right to shove that crap to our throats you idiot!
3DPeter 3 years ago
in the US, we call it cherry picking
MasterMark123 3 years ago
Don't you know that there are the forces of evil on the other side ?
They are the one who do all the killings bro , and they do it through people who are away in their hearts from God , God create and give life , and if He allowed all that to happen , is because we want it to happen by refusing His help , by rejecting His love and mercy , by turning away ourselves as well as our children away from Him .
That is why bro !
comali2212 3 years ago
Are you saying that Satan somehow infiltrated the Bible and ordered to murder those who pray other gods ? Yeah, this is what written in Bible. It was a turning point for me to understand the foolishness of it.
And jews are god's chosen people cos they wrote it (Bible) first. :D
iSOdushman 3 years ago
Jews are not God's chosen people anymore , the used to be , read the wedding parable in the new testament and you'll understand " the first will be the last and the last will be the first "
Show me one word in the new testament where Jesus Christ ordered or even stated for once that whoever pray for other gods ..
Now if you're talking about the old testament , don't forget that the people who wrote it wanted God to portray God the way they see Him , revengeful , God of the chosen people.
comali2212 3 years ago
god kills people, controls all things yet lets his son die(which means he is responsible for killing him) and then tells us we cant kill, unless he asks us to or if somebody else commits the horrendous sin of not beleiving in him.
alanaldasucks 3 years ago
i got to this by accident, if you guys don't believe this thing exists, why are you so hung up on it? strange.
roudy1689 3 years ago
Because you people exist, and you're trying to do all sorts of evil things in this world because of your religion. We have to destroy it for humanity to survive.
rowsdowersavesus 3 years ago 6
and supports slavery, maybe they talk to their god and ask him to make an upgrade to modern times of the bible 2.0, with modern rules and modern science to explain the ilogic and butchery parts their beloved godhandwriters put in their pile of bullshit Bible 1.0.
filosk8 3 years ago
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T.H.O.M.P.S.O.N. = "Theist-Hater Only Makes Points Showing Obvious Nescience"
But you are right in quoted the destructive portions of the Bible that shows God will punish evil-doers. Hopefully you will change course before death or you too will be breathing fire in the coming conflagration revealed in Revelation 20:15 as the lake of fire (the second death).
Acronym77 3 years ago
What's very positive is that atheists are becoming more and more accepted and don't have to hide our lack of theistic beliefs any longer. That is very freeing.
memerider 3 years ago
Thanks for your courage. I think you are actually referring to Paulists, which is the true teaching of Catholicism and those religions that sprang from it (most Protestantism, Evangelism, etc.). Unity is a Christian group which teaches Christian Idealism, the positive aspects of the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, and shouldn't be included with the others (I'm not a member).
memerider 3 years ago
There is no death to God only to man. All people "die", is your point when they "die" or how they "die"? By your definition all men should live forever on the earth because for God to let men die at all is evil. It is your desire to be immortal that is at question. The problem is you wish to be immortal without cause or reason and on your own terms. If we all lived forever there would be no more births or the world would overpopulate so I ask, who deserves to die? Who would you kill?
ovieheap 3 years ago
When he says god kills people he's not talking about the fact that all people die... He's talking about the nice stories from the Bible where God kills people with his own Holy powers. Like when he kills every first born son in egypt because the pharoh didn't let the jewish slaves go...
Raventheclown 3 years ago
Ever notice how he's saying anything about not allowing Christians to believe as they do, but Christians dont want to allow him to believe as he does.
This is exactly what this video was made for.
Except he didn't say it like that, he gave examples.
Stay objective and stop perpetuating illusions.
brndnlnr1 3 years ago
Ever notice how he's saying anything about not allowing Christians to believe as they do, but Christians dont want to allow him to believe as he does.
This is exactly what this video was made for.
Except he didn't say it like that, he gave examples.
Stay objective and stop perpetuating illusions.
brndnlnr1 3 years ago
Ever notice how people like yourself have a hollow dead look on your face.?
HandofDoom7 3 years ago
Ever notice how people like yourself try to tell other people what it means to live?
brndnlnr1 3 years ago
well duh, if the christians told what the bible also says everyone would know there religions bullshit
Lookatmeimdriving5 4 years ago
Apparently God drowned the entire world from the last Christian I talked to because of demons havign sex people people making "Gaints." So yeah, lets kill everyone to kill a few gaints. Makes sense me, how bout you? Even if it was because we were "wicked" or what not, I'm sure there were more than 2 good people in the world. And what is "wicked" anyway? Not loving a mass murdering, narcissistic, with a inferiority complex.
TheyCallMeThumbs 4 years ago
All I can say is, Athiesm Pride.
Really nice vid m8.
SeNsaToR 4 years ago 5
Never heard the term "Atheism Pride," but it certainly has a nice ring.
God is a concept, a metaphor derived from understanding shared by ancient people--not a person or personality. I think we're starting to see people finally coming to see the truth and reject "traditional" religion. There is no reason to believe in the supernatural, when all can be explained by more plausible natural explanations.
memerider 3 years ago
Average Christians have no idea of the Bible. They are so confused being settled with contradiction that they are content with things such as 'God is Love...you will burn in Hell'.
BibleTruth 4 years ago 3
The nasty parts being the pages between the front and back covers.
mattblackcat 4 years ago 3
That's why I stopped being a Christian a few years ago.I found that the Bible has been used by power hungry men for centuries to beat & control people who do not agree with them.
wiccanwench 4 years ago 4
ditto. . .
PaganLiberty 4 years ago
hey mate i think you had a lend of my brain i think exactly the same way
painsey 4 years ago
Human beings (being non-perfect) CAN be forgiven for evil done long ago if they change for the better BUT God (who is perfect, remember) gets no second chance to get it right. Once a murderer always a murderer!
seemomster 4 years ago
Horay for Nick Gisburne!
Cherry picking Xtians. What a joke.
dfarmer1584 4 years ago