Just because weapon A has track record of victory doesn't necessarily mean it's better for everyone than weapon B that lacks the track record. British brown bass musket had many track record of victory, whereas American Kentucky rifle had few, but during the Revolutionary War, Kentucky rifle turned out to be far superior than Brown Bass due to unique topography of the conflict.
lol....I'm very glad Norway did not buy Gripen. We all saw how it did in the Libya war. First they couldn't find fuel for it, then they didn't have air to grown weapon. hahaha. JAS is a joke just like rest of Sweden!
@JudasIkarious Mate, The fuel issuse was that the USA had a different Fuel mix. And if you mean air to ground weapon. The swedish mission was not to attack grounded forces in Libya like other nations mission was. Sweden had to have the skys clear from enemy airplanes and also scouting.
JAS 39 using fuel "JET A-1", a fuel for general aviation aircraft.JAS 39 is a multi-role fighter jet. She is even against the surface ships. I am extremely pleased that the Swedish forces does not help those self-seeking attack Libya.
My country surround with6+1countrys .During the past 25 years we has fought 3 times with 4 of them(1988 Vietnamese in Laos uniform , 2010 Vietnamese in Cambodian uniform)...and we never lose , the average casualty rate is 100:1.
In 2001, the Burmese army open fired and send "Wa"troops to invaded in to my country....We destroyed their 2 army divisions in retaliation for the first time(850dead 2,***wounded).Their government was changed after the event.
até agora eu não entendi porque a dona dilma ainda não escolheu esse caça?ele é bem mais barato,ele é bem mais rapido é tambem bem mais moderno!!!!!!!
Picture of the wartime experiences of Sweden. The engine of the F-18, because the plane fell. Loads of bombs - pathetic. high failure rate. Radar American and American missiles. Large eho radar.
It's a pity Norway ended up buying F35 Joint Strike Fighter and not Jas Gripen. Bying Gripen would ensure a stronger economic and military cooperation between the two Scandinavian neighbors.
@101financepeace Its a product of Sweden, what could go wrong? :) All jokes aside, we have like a hundred of them that i paid for (well, not all of them, but some of the stuffing in one of the seats or so), and i sleep very good at night :)
It is remarkable how a nation of just 9 million people can make such fantastic military equipment. For you hater, Sweden makes the Gotland class sub, the quietist submarine in service today. The US NAVY leased the Gotland and crew for 2 full years, trying to figure out how to detect it. It sank the US Carriers in all the simulated war games without ever being detected. Go Sverige! And Hail Pippi Langstrump
@SorrybutJebiga gripen uses an engine of prat&whitney(american engine)&thats why usa using sweden to promote the gripen.usa is ok with the promotion of gripen cause it serves the interests of american military companies.so when u say usa&russian is expensive&shit &u think gripen is not american then u should think twice&consider ALL factors.u dont buy a plane cause its prety or cause some1 said it or cause its nice.the only good russian plane now is su35bm&t50.but none of them is in production
@BitnikGr actually it is NOT.....BUT its only a matter of time before it will go in production(specially the su35 bmu which is the best aircraft now until the rise of pakfa)
@BitnikGr last time i check what borisov said su35 production will be available in 2018 and mass production after the end of 2021.su35 is very good but still NOT in production.its just a mater of time.i think russia is able to mass produce it waay earlier(russians offered su35 in hellas able to deliver it in 2014-2015 and t50 in 2018 in my country 4 only 92 millions but to bad our politicians r pupets and pussies and bitches of usa-israel.i hope with next gov well get su35&t50.its complexed
@itachiitachi1946 I don't know who is Borisov you refer to. I know that 16 aircrafts are delivered to units already and this doesn't count testing prototypes.
Greece won't get any Russian fighter aircraft while we are in NATO. It is a matter of standardization of equipment, which can't be overlooked.
@BitnikGr hellas can get any type of aircraft wants as long as trotors politicians and civilians wont exist in this lame country.and since when nato has the right to tell to my country what to buy and what not? usa can use nato as a tool but not in my country.
NATO is a military alliance. NATO spent many years in order to get to high level of standardization of equipment of all participant countries and this is a very important factor for efficiency of any military alliance. Weapons and systems of all NATO members must be interchangeable.
I also would like to see SU-35 with blue and white roundels over our skies, but I am sober enough to comprehend that while we are in NATO, this ain't going to happen.
@BitnikGr cold war is over. russia is our friend and NOT our enemy.russia is just a competitor of usa.my country is in nato and we still several russian equipments(like s-300,torm1,osak,zubr,isaknder E,kornetE,bmp1+2(and we ordewred 458 bmp3) and trust me..russian military equipment r trustworthy and very good.so i see NO point my country NOT getting the su35 bmu and then t50(russia likes hellas casue we r close allies with russia.russians and hellenes r liek bros)
@itachiitachi1946 S-300 are not operational and we got them by luck (not planned).
We don't have Iskander, we don't have BMP-2 and we won't get BMP-3. BMP-3 would suit nice, however... there are NATO ammo for BMP-3 and we have a lot of 7.62mm ammo for PKT.
In order to get SU-35, we must have political and economic independence. That means that maybe if we suddenly find huge oil field, we get out of NATO and EU, only then maybe we'll acquire SU-35... but it is likely improbable, right? :)
@BitnikGr 1)s-300bmpu1 r operational since 1997.weUNfocialy have lanched several misiles
2)we have so many bmp'2s that we gave 560to afghanistan as a partof nato help help
3)weve ordered bmp3 and its just a matter of time to get them
4)idk what us PKT ur refering to
5)we have HUGE oil fields,we dont have to get out of nato to get our equipment.lol.and eu also?lmaorussia wanted to help hellas with our debt by giving us 25 billions and then 160 billions but our corrupted politicians said no
@itachiitachi1946 1) Well, as it seems I live in different Greece, than you do :)
If we launched even a single S-300 missile, it would become widely known. Read related Press. Everyone already accepted that our S-300 are not operational.
2) We never had BMP-2. What we sent to Iraq were BMP-1.
3) PKT is a machine gun installed on BMP-3... actually two of them.
4) Yes, Russia wanted to help us with our debt. But when we canceled BMP-3 deal, they stopped buying our bonds and preferred Spanish ones.
@BitnikGr 1)well seems ur naive(gti de milame elinika tosi ora i8ela naksera?lol)
2)actually we sended bmp1 in iraq and bmp's 2 in afghanistan.theres a diference(ta vapsane kiolas gia na fenode sa kenuria sto iraq)
3)thanks 4 letting me know that
4)we did NOT cancelled the deal.lol.just usa was mad cause they cant control us.the deal is still active.they stoped buying our bonds cause papadreou didnt accept the help of russia and that infuriated putin.but putin is a great philelin
@itachiitachi1946 1) Ήθελα να δω πότε θα δεις ότι είμαι από Ελλάδα μέσα στο προφίλ μου. :)))
2) Δεν είχαμε ποτέ ΒΜΡ-2. Δεν υπάρχει ούτε μια φωτογραφία από Ελληνικό ΒΜΡ-2 και στο Αφγανιστάν ΒΜΡ-1 στείλαμε (υπάρχουν και φωτογραφίες)
4) Τα ίδια λες με άλλα λόγια. Ναι, εμάς και την Βουλγαρία πίεσαν οι ΗΠΑ για να ακυρώσουμε τον αγωγό. Μαζί με τον αγωγό ακυρώθηκε και η προμήθεια των ΒΜΡ-3. Αν δεν τα πήραμε τότε, με τα σημερινά οικονιμικά δεν πρόκειται να τα πάρουμε. Και η Ρωσία αγοράζει Ισπανικα τώρα.
@BitnikGr 1)de kitao profile ke ute preno sta sovara to utube.an ke sekova gia saksona pu paristane ton elina gia propaganda ke meta evaze to googl translator.ta kanun aft afti
2)ihame.me to telos tis sovietikis enosis ta pirame tzaba apo tin ukrania.
3)i politiki pu ine dili prodotes ktl ktl ke endidun se opia piesi askisun i ali.bmp3 fremm ine diakratiki simfonia.afto simeni i rosia afini opia mera 8eli ta bmp3 sto pirea ke meta pai dikastirio na pari ta lefta tis apti elada an 8eli.
3) Συμφωνώ μαζί σου σε αυτό. Την υπογραφή σου πρέπει να την τιμάς, ειδικά δε σε τέτοιο διακρατικό επίπεδο.
Αλλά αυτή είναι η αλήθεια. Οι μικρές χώρες είναι πάνε με όποιον πληρώσει περισσότερα. Για να ακυρωθεί η συμφωνία με τη Ρωσία έπρεπε να εξασφαλίσουμε περισσότερα ανταλλάγματα από αυτούς που πίεζαν για να ακυρωθεί ο αγωγός. Πήραμε τέτοια ανταλλάγματα; Δεν ξέρω... Η προσφορά των 400 Μ1Α1 είναι μέσα σε αυτό το παιχνίδι; Δεν ξέρω...
3)ta abrams legan 8a ta parume tzaba ALLA siga mi ta pername tzaba.8a plironame 600 ekatomiria ke 60 gia metafora(eno kostizan 4,5 dis)i ameriki pige na vgali lefta apo mas.i germania skiliase gti mas 8eli protektorato ke to akirose.i agogi akiro8ikan aptis ipa mazi me ta bmp3 gti skiliasan ke aqfti tote.to 8ema den ine na mi skivis to kefali.i politiki mas ehun aniksi kolo ke kanun oti 8elun i ali.
@itachiitachi1946 2) Το να πετάς έτσι απλά όνομα ενός γνωστού πόρταλ αμυντικού χώρου δεν είναι πηγή. Συγκεκριμένο άρθρο παρακαλώ ή κάποιο βίντεο από σχολές τεθωρακισμένων με BMP-2 ή έστω φωτογραφία του BMP-2 με ελληνικά σήματα. Σταμάτα να επιμένεις... δεν είχαμε ποτέ BMP-2. Δες λίστα χωρών-χεριστών του BMP-2. Δεν έχει την Ελλάδα. Μόνο ΒΜΡ-1 είχαμε και μόνο αυτά δώσαμε.
4) Αυτό είναι το πρόβλημα των πολιτικών μας χωρίς @@. Γερμανοί μας τα πρίζουν για να πάρουμε πανάκριβα την Γερμανική σαβούρα.
@BitnikGr 2)kopse tis malakies ke to ili8io ifos.ehume bmp2.ine efkolo na vris piges.opote ti mu zitasgooglare to bes defencenet opos ipa epidi de to kseris esi de simeni oti den ehume.
4)i eliniki kin onia ine tiga sti diaf8ora ke ton atomikismo ke tin idiotikotita.akoma an imastan pio morfomeni ke siniditopiimeni sa polites tote ta pramata 8atan kalitera.i politiki mas ine me oli ti simasia tis leksis.SKATA.ala ke mis imaste halia.edo pistevume se evraikes my8ologies ke papades.ti psahnis
Είναι εύκολο, ε; Δεν το βρήσκω όμως... ούτε στο google, ούτε στο defencenet. Οι υπόλοιπες πηγές που έχω δεν συμπεριλαμβάνουν την Ελλάδα στην λίστα χειριστών των ΒΜΡ-2.
Για αυτό και σε ρωτάω να παραθέσεις ΣΥΓΚΕΚΡΙΜΕΝΗ πηγή. Link σε συγκεκριμένο άρθρο ή βίντεο με Ελληνικά BMP-2.
Μετά το "κόψε τις μαλακίες" δε σκοπεύω να συνεχίσω την κουβέντα μέχρι να παραθέσεις συγκεκριμένη πήγη.
@BitnikGr den eho pigi.to ksero gti toho diavasi stin amidiki vivlo sti stratigki ktl.kseris amidika periodika.ke toha di ke sto defencenet.edo tohi to greekmilitary.ke su na kopsis tis malakies gti de mu arese to ifos su.tespa..
@itachiitachi1946 Δεν το έχεις διαβάσει πουθενά. Είτε κάνεις λάθος και δεν το ξέρεις, είτε πεισματικά αρνήσαι να παραδεχτείς το λάθος.
Ξέρεις τι είναι το Σύμφωνο CFE; (wiki/Treaty_on_Conventional_Armed_Forces_in_Europe)
Η χρήση οπλικού συστήματος από μια χώρα της Ευρώπης, το οποίο δεν είναι δηλωμένο στο CFE, είναι παράνομη. Θέλεις να πεις ότι η Ελλάδα κρύβει το BMP-2 λες και είναι κανένα super-όπλο και έτσι παραβιάζει την συνθήκη; Οι πηγές του CFE είναι ανοιχτές, και σύμφωνα με αυτές έχουμε...
@BitnikGr ke m48,m48 molf,leopard 1a5,leopard 2a4,leopard 2a6 hel,btr 80,btr 60,BMP2(kala pos ke de to kseris afto?mu kani ediposi.tespa den ine afto to 8ema)to 8ema ine OTI I STRATIOTIKI PUNE KEFTEDES PERNUN 1700 EVRO!! SOLUS KOPSANE MIS8US KE SAFTUS DE KOPSANE TIPOTA(KE STIN EKLISIA EPISIS)na ta parasita pia ine(ke mi nomizis oti 8a polemisun mono afti en kero polemu)ine kratos en krati(eklisia ke stratos)ADE NA PARUME KE TA BMP3.MAKARI NA TA PARUME.NA TA DOSUN ME TSABUKA I ROSI
@itachiitachi1946 "m48,m48 molf,leopard 1a5,leopard 2a4,leopard 2a6 hel" - Αυτά είναι άρματα μάχης. Εμείς μιλούσαμε για ΤΟΜΑ/ΤΟΜΠ.
Ούτε BTR-60 και BTR-80 έχουμε σε υπηρεσία.
Για τα BMP-3 συμφωνώ... καλό θα μας έκανε αν τα είχαμε... Όχι τίποτε άλλο, αλλά τα έχουμε και ανάγκη. Και ομοιοτυπία με τους Κύπριους δεν είναι κακό πράγμα.
@BitnikGr to m113 den ine TOMA/TOMP....tespa katalava ti enois(an ke to m113 ehi poles paralages metaforiko,edopismos pirovoliko,anihnefsi.TOW piravli ktl)btr 60 ke 80 ehume.de ksero an ehume akoma ta 60aria ala ta 80 ehume giro sta 40-50.pirame ke kati aavv70(den ime siguros gia tin onomasia)metahirismena aptis inomenes polities ke ine amfivia ala den ine tipota spudeo.
mu ti spai pu i ameriki de 8eli i elada nahi agogus bmp3 fremm me scalp naval ke to stamata sa mafia eno emis kimomaste
@couraga prat and whitney make the engines of gripen(idk about volvo but im 110%sure that engine of gripen r made by prat and whitney.)ill check it out but i m sure its gonna be like prat and whitney make the engines in europe through volvo factories(common tactic of companies specialy in military products)(example.many 360 r made in china but by microsoft company)if u know what i mean.thanks 4 telling me that ill make sure to check it out.(ps saab has economic problems bout gripen...)
Beautiful jet. My dad and I both loved it at our local airshow in South Africa. We both got the chills feeling it's thunder shake the earth beneath us.
It's just flashy :D SAAB is still running and just to inform you. SAAB (the SAAB crew who creates this JAS) They have a special factory and will still create more JAS cause almost every country in Europe wants to buy JAS Gripen. The SAAB CAR factory is chaos but not bankrupt.
@neverfell Not quite every country in Europe. The reason why the Gripen has garnered so much interest is because of it's relative cheapness compared to it's rivals. But, a the end of the day, you get what you pay for
It's all about the pilot. I remembered when Sweden and U.S. Pilots did some practice training together, the sweds won cause they were far more experienced. Like i said, you can have a cheap aircraft, but in the end, it's all about the pilot who drives it. F-22 Raptor isn't far more superior then JAS. The cost for a JAS Gripen is like 2 billion dollars.
@aspiringdrummer17 I think you got that wrong, The reason some countries don't buy it, is because of the price tag.. Usually it competes with the american f-16, wich is not as complex as Jas 39 is. The radar, and computer system is pretty superior to those machines.. But F-16 usually wins the fight because of easy NATO standards, and the price tag.. I
@zvastianx Only the car manufacturer, SAAB is split into 2 different companies, the other is part of the Swedish Defence Group and partially owned by the BAe.
I don't know a lot about jets, but I do know I don't want to be around any of these jets everybody is arguing about when they start firing! They all look dangerous to me!
stop arguing about what fighter is the better. As a swede i of course like the gripen more than any other fighter. But i have respect for the other nations. I love france mirage, the eurofighter typhoon, the american f22, the russian SU 27 Flanker and many more. But remember that this plane has been developed and used by a country many times smaller than many of you! Respect!
@JeffersonCapuxu2 less maintenance demanding is a myth,they are compareble as for this:)I wouldnt sayGripen is cheaper in use than block 52+ what was proven by Czechs and Hungarians(similar spendings as for block 52+)As I wrote in PM it wasnt only political decision.To top it up I'd say Gripen shows its superiotity over Block 52+ as for AA fight but also f 16 is superior in some points of that as climb speed,max speed.newer versions of weapon.load capasity.But as multirole including ground
@neverfell why 47 people are Americans? We (USA) supply you with the engine and some avionic equipment. We don't hate any foreign jet, actually we want to learn more non US made aircraft. Please grow up.
Don't come here and talk, Sweden is the 2nd biggest weapon exporter in the whole world. I am not sure who nr 1 is. Bofors (from Sweden) has created the most advanced artillery in human existence. My comment was more of a joke then serious. I love U.S. Great country to be in. But your economy is so bad cause of all your military in Iraq and so on. But some country need to take a stand against that stupid country. I'll respect that, but Sweden is so small still we owns.
@MrThorn88 During the exercise, the Gripen C proved its superiority vs F-16C in both dogfights and BVR engagements. Given that the F-16E uses the same airframe as the F-16C, it has the same weakness when it comes to RCS and dogfights.
@Iskall91 But they didnt use F 16 block 52+ advanced or 60 (cuz they dont have it:).also f 16 always will be better for multirole tasks.Dogfight is not so important when over 80% of fights are at medium or long distance and f 16 block 52+ advanced carries the newest ganeration of missles for example aim9.Grippen only older generation.Also AWACS compatibilty in Grippen is very limited not like in F 16
@MrThorn88 They used Block 52 F-16s out of the 425th Fighter Squadron. If you think dogfight is not important, look at the lessons learned from the Vietnam war when USA used F-4 phantoms. Dogfight matters a lot. Gripen uses the IRIS-T missile. The Aim-9 is being phased out. Both are short range heat seeking missiles. What makes you think the F-16 is better at multirole tasks? The Gripen is just as capable with AWACS as any other NATO standard fighter aircraft.
@Iskall91 52 but not 52+ plus:))its big difference:)Vietnam was many years agonow we have 2011:) well there many things that make f16 better multiroler I wont point them all but for examplef 16 has:Longer range,better radar,can carry heavier load(2 tones tmore than grippen),much more better climbing speed(gripen 250 m/s and f 16 340 m/s),max speed,F 16 carries newest missles AIM 9X,link 16 system,JHMCS helmit system,more various,multiple armament for ground targets(f.e. to ground radars destroy)
@Iskall91 and dont get me wrong I dont say that grippen is worse dogfigher cuz of course is not,but grippen C and f 16C b 52+ are compareble as for dogfight(with little pointer to grippen),depands on pilot skills.But for multirole skills F 16 is better also much cheaper because Sweden had to make technology from the scratch and they did great job!!! but costed them a lot and technologies for f 16 were developed from existing which doesnt get so much money:)
@Iskall91 and BVR missles,they dont use the same missles for example new f 16 has AIM 9X !!,grippen has older version aim9M and 9X is much more viable can destroy targets at angle of 180 deegres with thrust vectoring. ,also grippen's better RCS doesnt mean he is invisible:)new radar APG-68(V)9 is more upgraded and much more sensitive and detects objects with better RCS(which is not sooooooo amazing in Gripen but very good:)
@MrThorn88 The Gripen uses the same BVR missiles as the F-16, and it also uses the Meteor which is one of the most modern BVR missiles today. Better radar or not, if the Gripen can detect the F-16 from a further distance than the F-16 can detect the Gripen, the F-16 is gone. The thing is that RCS is classified so it isn't possible to know which would win in a BVR engagement between the F-16E and the Gripen C, but between the Gripen NG and the F-16E, the result would be like in Red flag.
@Iskall91 52 but not 52+ plus:))its big difference:)Vietnam was many years agonow we have 2011:) well there many things that make f16 better multiroler I wont point them all but for examplef 16 has:Longer range,better radar,can carry heavier load(2 tones tmore than grippen),much more better climbing speed(gripen 250 m/s and f 16 340 m/s),max speed,F 16 carries newest missles AIM 9X,link 16 system,JHMCS helmit system,more various,multiple armament for ground targets(f.e. to ground radars destroy)
@MrThorn88 So there you have it. Gripen is better than all the F-16 at BVR and in dogfights, and it is still very capable in a multi role mission. Just so you know, the link 16 is also used in the Gripen. Try to stay focused on the aircraft itself, rather than all the other equipment such as helmets -.-
@Iskall91 Blok 52+ has very similar systems(ECM too) as Grippen,for now thy are compareble as for AA fight.Ground attack is very important factor on battle field and block 52+ is superior and I also compare sources and specifications,also I spoke to people on many fourums.Also there was big debate about these two fighters while buying fighter for Polish air force and many specialists(not only Polish) were debating and conclusion was one:As multirole fighter f 16 block 52 advanmced is better.
@MrThorn88 They are not comparable in AA combat. I've already proven that. Gripen wins AA combat hands down. In ground attack, the F-16 is more potent due to it's bigger arsenal. The Gripen is less maintenance demanding, easier to operate, more cost effective than any F-16 today. The Gripen is also able to operate from a standard 800m road. It can be serviced by a crew of 5 conscripts and a technician under 10 min. Poland chose the F-16 based on Politics, NATO and the US.
The Gripen was one of contenders in competition for 48 new multirole fighters for the Polish Air Force. On 27 December 2002, the Polish Defence Minister announced the selection of the F-16C/D Block 50/52+. According to Stephen Larrabee, the choice to go with the F-16 was heavily influenced by a lucrative offset agreement by Lockheed Martin, and the political emphasis placed on the strategic relationship between Poland, the US, and NATO"
@MrThorn88 They are not comparable in AA combat. I've already proven that. Gripen wins AA combat hands down. In ground attack, I found some info about Gripen that makes it better. The Gripen is less maintenance demanding, easier to operate, more cost effective than any F-16 today. The Gripen is also able to operate from a standard 800m road. It can be serviced by a crew of 5 conscripts and a technician under 10 min. Poland chose the F-16 based on Politics, NATO and the US. Sent source in PM
@MrThorn88 The truth is something that can be proven. You have failed to do so time and time again. You also fail to read any comment or source I give you. You are also desperate. A sign of failure. You also fail to grasp the basic concept of:
-How to write a coherent and readable piece of information
-Comparing sources
-Using sources
Based on that, I say that you've been defeated fair and square.
@Iskall91 U got pissed off cuz u know that truth is not ur domain.U lost.U wanted to convice me to ur view which is simply untrue or wanna-be truth:)I advise english reading classes if u have problems.U try to force me to admit that I lost hahah,U r pathetic.U r so desperate and lost that beg for admitting as ur last chance to win:)u r funny kid:)
@MrThorn88 Do you seriously think I know the answer to that question? Why don't you come to Sweden and knock on everybody's door and ask? I'm sure you'll get a warm welcome. My reading skills are fine, but you apparently have some difficulty writing.
I'm not the one who uses several polish forums as sources, states that as facts, then have the nerve to call my sources made by the US air force and several others biased based on the fact that you lack sources to support your claim. I'm done here.
@Iskall91 Show me one grammar mistake I made in text I wrote to u.Maybe exept some typos and slangish words u won't find anything illogic or impossible to read.(unless u use google transalator)They were mostly american and english forums and few Polish but this is not about forums but specifiications and other real data put in there.U use wiki...yeaa its very reliable source hahah;)I dont have to support obvious conclusions.I should support statement that water is wet?cut this crap:)Good day.
@Iskall91 Gripen NG is great defence AA fighter and if my country needed that kind of plane I'd like it to be Gripen.But we needed very good multirole fighter and BLOCK 52+ is the one cuz its better for this.
I've been very kind and methodical to you during the entire time, and you should be grateful for that. I've come to the conclusion that you are either: A troll, or a troll. No one in the entire world no matter their age would display such an act of stupidity, stubbornness, ignorance and sheer and utter idiocy and not be a troll.
@Iskall91 but also that grippen has great future potential.I would say they are different types of fighter.Grippen is defence AA fighter and Block 52+/60 is multirole.But for now in AA fight they are compareble.Two of them has its good and bad sides so result of fight is matter of condisions,situation and pilot's skills.Greetings
@Iskall91 in dogfight grippen and f 16 B lock 52+ are compareble like I said it depands on pilot skills and as for multirole tasks F 16 is much more viable:)
@Iskall91 also I pointed many superior things of f 16 and u only spoted helmit.Be objecyive,we just disscus not fight.This planes will never fight against each other but will fight togheter against other air forces(if needed:)
@MrThorn88 Besides, I don't exaggerate anything. I can send you my sources if you don't believe me. As for ground attack the F-16 block 60 is better, but for the rest, the Gripen is better. A multirole fighter's primary role is AA combat, second to that is Air to Surface and reacon. I forgot to mention Gripens ECM pod, which makes it nearly impossible for radar guided missiles and radars to lock on to the Gripen. That is also stated in the Red Flag exercise.
@Iskall91 the next thing is that even if grippen spots f 16 earlier he cant shoot him down cuz missles has about 20-30 kilometers range and f 16 will spot grippen from 40 kilometers easily(with range of radar of 130 km:)
@MrThorn88 Please, use as few answers as possible. Otherwise it is difficult for me to give a correct answer. The Radar range is not the same as being able to spot something far away. Radar range is the maximum range the radar can spot anything at all. Radar detection range depends on the radar cross section of the target. A Gripen is better in dogfights compared to any F-16, as I have stated earlier, and as my sources indicate. A standard BVR missile has a range of 75 km.
This is why the Dassault Rafale fighter, can't have large markets sales around Europe and the world, is because of this Aircraft, by SAAB. Of course, the Typhoon, doesn't help the matter, as well. ( poor / sad France ).
The Gripen is a good bird.....probably the best non-NATO, non-Russian design there is. The Swedes made wise and efficient use of severely restricted funding for the Gripen program, and delivered a masterpiece. The Gripen isn't exactly an F-22, but still in the same league, and a match for any fighter if well handled.....not to mention quite a bit less expensive than most Western fighters. The Czechs are tickled silly with their new Gripens......a welcome change from the old Russian shit.
JudasIkarious is a troll.
TheRedGrant 3 days ago
@TheRedGrant
How many times they have won the battle after WWII ?
araumtoon 2 days ago
@araumtoon
Just because weapon A has track record of victory doesn't necessarily mean it's better for everyone than weapon B that lacks the track record. British brown bass musket had many track record of victory, whereas American Kentucky rifle had few, but during the Revolutionary War, Kentucky rifle turned out to be far superior than Brown Bass due to unique topography of the conflict.
TheRedGrant 2 days ago
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@TheRedGrant
I mean to the Norwegian army.How many times they have won the battle after WWII ?
Why they outspoken as much like they have won many battle in their life times ?
araumtoon 2 days ago
lol....I'm very glad Norway did not buy Gripen. We all saw how it did in the Libya war. First they couldn't find fuel for it, then they didn't have air to grown weapon. hahaha. JAS is a joke just like rest of Sweden!
JudasIkarious 3 days ago
@JudasIkarious Mate, The fuel issuse was that the USA had a different Fuel mix. And if you mean air to ground weapon. The swedish mission was not to attack grounded forces in Libya like other nations mission was. Sweden had to have the skys clear from enemy airplanes and also scouting.
TheZniper 3 days ago 2
@TheZniper lol....just like they told us. I'm glad we dont bought JAS Gripen;)
JudasIkarious 3 days ago
@JudasIkarious No problem Norwgien mate, have fun with F-35 ;)
TheZniper 1 day ago
@JudasIkarious
JAS 39 using fuel "JET A-1", a fuel for general aviation aircraft.JAS 39 is a multi-role fighter jet. She is even against the surface ships. I am extremely pleased that the Swedish forces does not help those self-seeking attack Libya.
araumtoon 2 days ago
For 32 Burmese Mig-29 , 12 Vietnamese Su30(and12 Su-35 in the future)...We choose Gripen.
But....please finish your Meteor research soooooooon.We needdddddd it.^ ^"
araumtoon 1 week ago
My country surround with6+1countrys .During the past 25 years we has fought 3 times with 4 of them(1988 Vietnamese in Laos uniform , 2010 Vietnamese in Cambodian uniform)...and we never lose , the average casualty rate is 100:1.
In 2001, the Burmese army open fired and send "Wa"troops to invaded in to my country....We destroyed their 2 army divisions in retaliation for the first time(850dead 2,***wounded).Their government was changed after the event.
So , we are experienced.
We choose Gripen
araumtoon 1 week ago
Congratulations for Poland for wastefulness and not chooseing Grippen. Let`s torture with F16.
listonoszpat233 2 weeks ago
i hope we are getting these soon..
nikobelictheserb 2 weeks ago
that is one seXy aircraft...
TheNohabla 2 weeks ago
In Mexico There were rumors about buy this plane,but it was only rumors, bad lucky for us.
azulgrana13 2 weeks ago
It really is the SAAB car of the fighter world. Well made, but ugly, weird and wouldn't keep up in a race against proper sportier models.
benbennit 2 weeks ago
Kamprad lives in Switzerland, thats why the buy Gripen. he give them free meatballs at ikea.
thejurassicpark 3 weeks ago
What countries are planning on buying the Gripen jets?
TheAntiMoral 3 weeks ago
MEXICAN AIR FORCE LIKE THIS AIRCRAFT HOPE THEY PURCHASE INSTEAD OF THE BULL CRAP AND TO EXPESIVE F 16
jesuselmexicanarts 3 weeks ago
até agora eu não entendi porque a dona dilma ainda não escolheu esse caça?ele é bem mais barato,ele é bem mais rapido é tambem bem mais moderno!!!!!!!
TheCavaloBR 3 weeks ago
RALALE is Mejor
hugos31 3 weeks ago
If the F-35 JSF falls through, Sea Gripen might be coming to the FAA...
Maupin001 4 weeks ago
Picture of the wartime experiences of Sweden. The engine of the F-18, because the plane fell. Loads of bombs - pathetic. high failure rate. Radar American and American missiles. Large eho radar.
domosil1 1 month ago
man mexico needs this to replace the ancient f-5
Gabriel7252 1 month ago
I hope Brazil chooses this fighter too.
gaaby280499 1 month ago
un buen avion lastima que su autonomia es muy limitada
dioschilote1986 1 month ago
Como necesitaria Uruguay aunque fuera unos 10 Saab Gripen , excelente video !!!
alfersca 1 month ago
I heard my country Serbia is going to buy 16 Gripens ;)
7JoviC 1 month ago
wot is the intended role for this fighter?
mikefan09 1 month ago
@mikefan09 A multi-fighter!
Melchersson 1 month ago
@Melchersson excellent thanks. as expected. seems very worthy to buy!
mikefan09 1 month ago
It's a pity Norway ended up buying F35 Joint Strike Fighter and not Jas Gripen. Bying Gripen would ensure a stronger economic and military cooperation between the two Scandinavian neighbors.
Polsibro 1 month ago
Good adv : h
OatinEThailand 1 month ago
Since like Croatia will buy 12 of these. The best wings you can get for your airforce. Keep going saab. Good wishes from croatia!
domycrodubrava 1 month ago 3
From a communications perspective, the video is good but the music choice is the wrong one.
TalkerOne 1 month ago
Well, it seems that Gripen won a market again.
Not surprising.
Even it's not the best, it's a very capable aircraft with a good price. Very seducing.
A smart move from SAAB.
kornofulgur 1 month ago
If the Saab 9-5 could fly, it would look exactly like this.
jacketman22 1 month ago 10
Congratulations to Switzerland for choosing Gripen!
mef83 2 months ago 33
@mef83 americans probably think that sweden oredered the jets from switzerland :D
2mnyshp 2 months ago
@2mnyshp : precisely; since Switzerland is the country where the Volvo cars are manufactured;-)))
N9155E 1 month ago
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marhen4283 1 month ago
yaaay 240 p
admiralPs 2 months ago
This is the newest jet fighter that the Swiss air force has chosen?
It better deliver it because it's my money who was use to choose this aircraft.
101financepeace 2 months ago
@101financepeace Its a product of Sweden, what could go wrong? :) All jokes aside, we have like a hundred of them that i paid for (well, not all of them, but some of the stuffing in one of the seats or so), and i sleep very good at night :)
FlushySwe 2 months ago 2
Can you buy these at IKEA?
AchromaticRefractor 2 months ago 5
@couraga @itachiitachi1946 Volvo assembles their modified version of a General Electric engine. Check Wikipedia for details.
SamuelHLampa 2 months ago
My love in the sky
integrity212 2 months ago 2
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It is remarkable how a nation of just 9 million people can make such fantastic military equipment. For you hater, Sweden makes the Gotland class sub, the quietist submarine in service today. The US NAVY leased the Gotland and crew for 2 full years, trying to figure out how to detect it. It sank the US Carriers in all the simulated war games without ever being detected. Go Sverige! And Hail Pippi Langstrump
melsody 2 months ago 2
LOL MIG or Su take one :)
Xjazzzi 2 months ago
hey Brazil is waiting you!
borracheirofeudal 2 months ago
/watch?v=6C_AcMyWPTw
Russian short documentary about Gripen. With english subtitles, if you are interesting.
BitnikGr 3 months ago
@BitnikGr
Nice documentary. I love when Russians say Bomba :) haha
marhen4283 1 month ago
we from serbia planned to buy this , we dont want US and russians aircrafts its exprensive and shit!
SorrybutJebiga 3 months ago
@SorrybutJebiga gripen uses an engine of prat&whitney(american engine)&thats why usa using sweden to promote the gripen.usa is ok with the promotion of gripen cause it serves the interests of american military companies.so when u say usa&russian is expensive&shit &u think gripen is not american then u should think twice&consider ALL factors.u dont buy a plane cause its prety or cause some1 said it or cause its nice.the only good russian plane now is su35bm&t50.but none of them is in production
itachiitachi1946 3 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 SU-35 is in production and comes to units....
BitnikGr 3 months ago
@BitnikGr actually it is NOT.....BUT its only a matter of time before it will go in production(specially the su35 bmu which is the best aircraft now until the rise of pakfa)
itachiitachi1946 3 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 Actually... they are! Order for 48 SU-35 was placed by Russian MoD in 2008. 16 are already built and delivered.
BitnikGr 3 months ago
@BitnikGr last time i check what borisov said su35 production will be available in 2018 and mass production after the end of 2021.su35 is very good but still NOT in production.its just a mater of time.i think russia is able to mass produce it waay earlier(russians offered su35 in hellas able to deliver it in 2014-2015 and t50 in 2018 in my country 4 only 92 millions but to bad our politicians r pupets and pussies and bitches of usa-israel.i hope with next gov well get su35&t50.its complexed
itachiitachi1946 3 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 I don't know who is Borisov you refer to. I know that 16 aircrafts are delivered to units already and this doesn't count testing prototypes.
Greece won't get any Russian fighter aircraft while we are in NATO. It is a matter of standardization of equipment, which can't be overlooked.
BitnikGr 3 months ago
@BitnikGr hellas can get any type of aircraft wants as long as trotors politicians and civilians wont exist in this lame country.and since when nato has the right to tell to my country what to buy and what not? usa can use nato as a tool but not in my country.
itachiitachi1946 3 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 Leaving politics aside...
NATO is a military alliance. NATO spent many years in order to get to high level of standardization of equipment of all participant countries and this is a very important factor for efficiency of any military alliance. Weapons and systems of all NATO members must be interchangeable.
I also would like to see SU-35 with blue and white roundels over our skies, but I am sober enough to comprehend that while we are in NATO, this ain't going to happen.
BitnikGr 3 months ago
@BitnikGr cold war is over. russia is our friend and NOT our enemy.russia is just a competitor of usa.my country is in nato and we still several russian equipments(like s-300,torm1,osak,zubr,isaknder E,kornetE,bmp1+2(and we ordewred 458 bmp3) and trust me..russian military equipment r trustworthy and very good.so i see NO point my country NOT getting the su35 bmu and then t50(russia likes hellas casue we r close allies with russia.russians and hellenes r liek bros)
itachiitachi1946 3 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 S-300 are not operational and we got them by luck (not planned).
We don't have Iskander, we don't have BMP-2 and we won't get BMP-3. BMP-3 would suit nice, however... there are NATO ammo for BMP-3 and we have a lot of 7.62mm ammo for PKT.
In order to get SU-35, we must have political and economic independence. That means that maybe if we suddenly find huge oil field, we get out of NATO and EU, only then maybe we'll acquire SU-35... but it is likely improbable, right? :)
BitnikGr 3 months ago
@BitnikGr 1)s-300bmpu1 r operational since 1997.weUNfocialy have lanched several misiles
2)we have so many bmp'2s that we gave 560to afghanistan as a partof nato help help
3)weve ordered bmp3 and its just a matter of time to get them
4)idk what us PKT ur refering to
5)we have HUGE oil fields,we dont have to get out of nato to get our equipment.lol.and eu also?lmaorussia wanted to help hellas with our debt by giving us 25 billions and then 160 billions but our corrupted politicians said no
itachiitachi1946 3 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 1) Well, as it seems I live in different Greece, than you do :)
If we launched even a single S-300 missile, it would become widely known. Read related Press. Everyone already accepted that our S-300 are not operational.
2) We never had BMP-2. What we sent to Iraq were BMP-1.
3) PKT is a machine gun installed on BMP-3... actually two of them.
4) Yes, Russia wanted to help us with our debt. But when we canceled BMP-3 deal, they stopped buying our bonds and preferred Spanish ones.
BitnikGr 3 months ago
@BitnikGr 1)well seems ur naive(gti de milame elinika tosi ora i8ela naksera?lol)
2)actually we sended bmp1 in iraq and bmp's 2 in afghanistan.theres a diference(ta vapsane kiolas gia na fenode sa kenuria sto iraq)
3)thanks 4 letting me know that
4)we did NOT cancelled the deal.lol.just usa was mad cause they cant control us.the deal is still active.they stoped buying our bonds cause papadreou didnt accept the help of russia and that infuriated putin.but putin is a great philelin
itachiitachi1946 3 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 1) Ήθελα να δω πότε θα δεις ότι είμαι από Ελλάδα μέσα στο προφίλ μου. :)))
2) Δεν είχαμε ποτέ ΒΜΡ-2. Δεν υπάρχει ούτε μια φωτογραφία από Ελληνικό ΒΜΡ-2 και στο Αφγανιστάν ΒΜΡ-1 στείλαμε (υπάρχουν και φωτογραφίες)
4) Τα ίδια λες με άλλα λόγια. Ναι, εμάς και την Βουλγαρία πίεσαν οι ΗΠΑ για να ακυρώσουμε τον αγωγό. Μαζί με τον αγωγό ακυρώθηκε και η προμήθεια των ΒΜΡ-3. Αν δεν τα πήραμε τότε, με τα σημερινά οικονιμικά δεν πρόκειται να τα πάρουμε. Και η Ρωσία αγοράζει Ισπανικα τώρα.
BitnikGr 3 months ago
@BitnikGr 1)de kitao profile ke ute preno sta sovara to utube.an ke sekova gia saksona pu paristane ton elina gia propaganda ke meta evaze to googl translator.ta kanun aft afti
2)ihame.me to telos tis sovietikis enosis ta pirame tzaba apo tin ukrania.
3)i politiki pu ine dili prodotes ktl ktl ke endidun se opia piesi askisun i ali.bmp3 fremm ine diakratiki simfonia.afto simeni i rosia afini opia mera 8eli ta bmp3 sto pirea ke meta pai dikastirio na pari ta lefta tis apti elada an 8eli.
itachiitachi1946 3 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 2) Πηγή υπάρχει για αυτούς τους ισχυρισμούς.
3) Συμφωνώ μαζί σου σε αυτό. Την υπογραφή σου πρέπει να την τιμάς, ειδικά δε σε τέτοιο διακρατικό επίπεδο.
Αλλά αυτή είναι η αλήθεια. Οι μικρές χώρες είναι πάνε με όποιον πληρώσει περισσότερα. Για να ακυρωθεί η συμφωνία με τη Ρωσία έπρεπε να εξασφαλίσουμε περισσότερα ανταλλάγματα από αυτούς που πίεζαν για να ακυρωθεί ο αγωγός. Πήραμε τέτοια ανταλλάγματα; Δεν ξέρω... Η προσφορά των 400 Μ1Α1 είναι μέσα σε αυτό το παιχνίδι; Δεν ξέρω...
BitnikGr 3 months ago
@BitnikGr 2)defencenetteliagr
3)ta abrams legan 8a ta parume tzaba ALLA siga mi ta pername tzaba.8a plironame 600 ekatomiria ke 60 gia metafora(eno kostizan 4,5 dis)i ameriki pige na vgali lefta apo mas.i germania skiliase gti mas 8eli protektorato ke to akirose.i agogi akiro8ikan aptis ipa mazi me ta bmp3 gti skiliasan ke aqfti tote.to 8ema den ine na mi skivis to kefali.i politiki mas ehun aniksi kolo ke kanun oti 8elun i ali.
4)ADALAGMATA? ..ARXIDIA PIRAME.tipota de pirame.
itachiitachi1946 3 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 2) Το να πετάς έτσι απλά όνομα ενός γνωστού πόρταλ αμυντικού χώρου δεν είναι πηγή. Συγκεκριμένο άρθρο παρακαλώ ή κάποιο βίντεο από σχολές τεθωρακισμένων με BMP-2 ή έστω φωτογραφία του BMP-2 με ελληνικά σήματα. Σταμάτα να επιμένεις... δεν είχαμε ποτέ BMP-2. Δες λίστα χωρών-χεριστών του BMP-2. Δεν έχει την Ελλάδα. Μόνο ΒΜΡ-1 είχαμε και μόνο αυτά δώσαμε.
4) Αυτό είναι το πρόβλημα των πολιτικών μας χωρίς @@. Γερμανοί μας τα πρίζουν για να πάρουμε πανάκριβα την Γερμανική σαβούρα.
BitnikGr 3 months ago
@BitnikGr 2)kopse tis malakies ke to ili8io ifos.ehume bmp2.ine efkolo na vris piges.opote ti mu zitasgooglare to bes defencenet opos ipa epidi de to kseris esi de simeni oti den ehume.
4)i eliniki kin onia ine tiga sti diaf8ora ke ton atomikismo ke tin idiotikotita.akoma an imastan pio morfomeni ke siniditopiimeni sa polites tote ta pramata 8atan kalitera.i politiki mas ine me oli ti simasia tis leksis.SKATA.ala ke mis imaste halia.edo pistevume se evraikes my8ologies ke papades.ti psahnis
itachiitachi1946 3 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 Κρίμα... και νόμιζα ότι είχαμε συζήτηση επιπέδου.
Είναι εύκολο, ε; Δεν το βρήσκω όμως... ούτε στο google, ούτε στο defencenet. Οι υπόλοιπες πηγές που έχω δεν συμπεριλαμβάνουν την Ελλάδα στην λίστα χειριστών των ΒΜΡ-2.
Για αυτό και σε ρωτάω να παραθέσεις ΣΥΓΚΕΚΡΙΜΕΝΗ πηγή. Link σε συγκεκριμένο άρθρο ή βίντεο με Ελληνικά BMP-2.
Μετά το "κόψε τις μαλακίες" δε σκοπεύω να συνεχίσω την κουβέντα μέχρι να παραθέσεις συγκεκριμένη πήγη.
Γεια.
BitnikGr 3 months ago
@BitnikGr den eho pigi.to ksero gti toho diavasi stin amidiki vivlo sti stratigki ktl.kseris amidika periodika.ke toha di ke sto defencenet.edo tohi to greekmilitary.ke su na kopsis tis malakies gti de mu arese to ifos su.tespa..
gia
itachiitachi1946 3 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 Δεν το έχεις διαβάσει πουθενά. Είτε κάνεις λάθος και δεν το ξέρεις, είτε πεισματικά αρνήσαι να παραδεχτείς το λάθος.
Ξέρεις τι είναι το Σύμφωνο CFE; (wiki/Treaty_on_Conventional_Armed_Forces_in_Europe)
Η χρήση οπλικού συστήματος από μια χώρα της Ευρώπης, το οποίο δεν είναι δηλωμένο στο CFE, είναι παράνομη. Θέλεις να πεις ότι η Ελλάδα κρύβει το BMP-2 λες και είναι κανένα super-όπλο και έτσι παραβιάζει την συνθήκη; Οι πηγές του CFE είναι ανοιχτές, και σύμφωνα με αυτές έχουμε...
BitnikGr 3 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 ...
έχουμε ΒΜΡ-1, Leonidas II, Μ113 και κάποιες παραλλαγές του M113. Αυτά έχουμε...
BitnikGr 3 months ago
@BitnikGr ke m48,m48 molf,leopard 1a5,leopard 2a4,leopard 2a6 hel,btr 80,btr 60,BMP2(kala pos ke de to kseris afto?mu kani ediposi.tespa den ine afto to 8ema)to 8ema ine OTI I STRATIOTIKI PUNE KEFTEDES PERNUN 1700 EVRO!! SOLUS KOPSANE MIS8US KE SAFTUS DE KOPSANE TIPOTA(KE STIN EKLISIA EPISIS)na ta parasita pia ine(ke mi nomizis oti 8a polemisun mono afti en kero polemu)ine kratos en krati(eklisia ke stratos)ADE NA PARUME KE TA BMP3.MAKARI NA TA PARUME.NA TA DOSUN ME TSABUKA I ROSI
itachiitachi1946 2 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 "m48,m48 molf,leopard 1a5,leopard 2a4,leopard 2a6 hel" - Αυτά είναι άρματα μάχης. Εμείς μιλούσαμε για ΤΟΜΑ/ΤΟΜΠ.
Ούτε BTR-60 και BTR-80 έχουμε σε υπηρεσία.
Για τα BMP-3 συμφωνώ... καλό θα μας έκανε αν τα είχαμε... Όχι τίποτε άλλο, αλλά τα έχουμε και ανάγκη. Και ομοιοτυπία με τους Κύπριους δεν είναι κακό πράγμα.
BitnikGr 2 months ago
@BitnikGr to m113 den ine TOMA/TOMP....tespa katalava ti enois(an ke to m113 ehi poles paralages metaforiko,edopismos pirovoliko,anihnefsi.TOW piravli ktl)btr 60 ke 80 ehume.de ksero an ehume akoma ta 60aria ala ta 80 ehume giro sta 40-50.pirame ke kati aavv70(den ime siguros gia tin onomasia)metahirismena aptis inomenes polities ke ine amfivia ala den ine tipota spudeo.
mu ti spai pu i ameriki de 8eli i elada nahi agogus bmp3 fremm me scalp naval ke to stamata sa mafia eno emis kimomaste
itachiitachi1946 2 months ago
@itachiitachi1946
Gripen uses a Volvo RM 12 engine. Stop spreading lies.
couraga 2 months ago
@couraga prat and whitney make the engines of gripen(idk about volvo but im 110%sure that engine of gripen r made by prat and whitney.)ill check it out but i m sure its gonna be like prat and whitney make the engines in europe through volvo factories(common tactic of companies specialy in military products)(example.many 360 r made in china but by microsoft company)if u know what i mean.thanks 4 telling me that ill make sure to check it out.(ps saab has economic problems bout gripen...)
itachiitachi1946 2 months ago
Beautiful jet. My dad and I both loved it at our local airshow in South Africa. We both got the chills feeling it's thunder shake the earth beneath us.
Slayer10911 3 months ago
Americans and Rusiians always laugh at Europeans.
Even China too...
RobertsDigital 3 months ago
Our country ordered 6 of them & It look so nice when Grippen come to Thailand hope to see the real one soon
Villazism 3 months ago
i like the gripen, to me it looks nicer than the rafale and typhoon.
Bilderbergz 3 months ago
SAAB is going bankrupt. Suck on that fanboys.
zvastianx 4 months ago
@zvastianx
U.S also, sorry bitch!
neverfell 4 months ago
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zvastianx 4 months ago
@zvastianx
Good job!
neverfell 4 months ago
@neverfell
Thank you! jk
Too bad for SAAB. Come on! What's not to like about the Gripen?
zvastianx 4 months ago
@zvastianx
It's just flashy :D SAAB is still running and just to inform you. SAAB (the SAAB crew who creates this JAS) They have a special factory and will still create more JAS cause almost every country in Europe wants to buy JAS Gripen. The SAAB CAR factory is chaos but not bankrupt.
neverfell 4 months ago
@neverfell Not quite every country in Europe. The reason why the Gripen has garnered so much interest is because of it's relative cheapness compared to it's rivals. But, a the end of the day, you get what you pay for
aspiringdrummer17 4 months ago
@aspiringdrummer17
It's all about the pilot. I remembered when Sweden and U.S. Pilots did some practice training together, the sweds won cause they were far more experienced. Like i said, you can have a cheap aircraft, but in the end, it's all about the pilot who drives it. F-22 Raptor isn't far more superior then JAS. The cost for a JAS Gripen is like 2 billion dollars.
neverfell 3 months ago
@neverfell
More experienced, won? What? Citations. This smells like bullshit.
556Fanatic 3 months ago
@aspiringdrummer17 I think you got that wrong, The reason some countries don't buy it, is because of the price tag.. Usually it competes with the american f-16, wich is not as complex as Jas 39 is. The radar, and computer system is pretty superior to those machines.. But F-16 usually wins the fight because of easy NATO standards, and the price tag.. I
eightypuff01 3 months ago
@zvastianx Only the car manufacturer, SAAB is split into 2 different companies, the other is part of the Swedish Defence Group and partially owned by the BAe.
RagingBerzerker 4 months ago
I don't know a lot about jets, but I do know I don't want to be around any of these jets everybody is arguing about when they start firing! They all look dangerous to me!
ccth22 4 months ago
@brassas
why you so innterested in putting Gripen down? Who you representing any one in to
Arm bussines know you have the teknik the market wanth ore you donth.
all arm's have to follow the teknik development
tjallew 4 months ago
stop arguing about what fighter is the better. As a swede i of course like the gripen more than any other fighter. But i have respect for the other nations. I love france mirage, the eurofighter typhoon, the american f22, the russian SU 27 Flanker and many more. But remember that this plane has been developed and used by a country many times smaller than many of you! Respect!
AddeXtreme 4 months ago
The Gripen is better than any F-16. No other source says otherwise. THE END.
Iskall91 4 months ago
@Iskall91 U know its not rue:)
MrThorn88 4 months ago
Welcome Gripen to Thailand!
Endless01235 4 months ago
Brazil go buy 35 or 130 Gripen's Aircraft
Americans are ugly!
JeffersonCapuxu2 4 months ago
@JeffersonCapuxu2 less maintenance demanding is a myth,they are compareble as for this:)I wouldnt sayGripen is cheaper in use than block 52+ what was proven by Czechs and Hungarians(similar spendings as for block 52+)As I wrote in PM it wasnt only political decision.To top it up I'd say Gripen shows its superiotity over Block 52+ as for AA fight but also f 16 is superior in some points of that as climb speed,max speed.newer versions of weapon.load capasity.But as multirole including ground
MrThorn88 4 months ago
nothing when compared to Su's or Mig's :)
so2murad 4 months ago
@so2murad Ur kidding right?
fillecool2 4 months ago
huge respect for u swedish engineers,myself being an engineer,u rock dudes.
arjungs661992 5 months ago
I'll Be Back,When 240p goes hom
arjungs661992 5 months ago
47 people are Americans and russians.
neverfell 5 months ago 19
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GoFlyDude 4 months ago
@neverfell the netherlands are purchasing F35's right now, but still, thumbs up!
GoFlyDude 4 months ago
@neverfell why 47 people are Americans? We (USA) supply you with the engine and some avionic equipment. We don't hate any foreign jet, actually we want to learn more non US made aircraft. Please grow up.
truonghthe 4 months ago
@truonghthe
Don't come here and talk, Sweden is the 2nd biggest weapon exporter in the whole world. I am not sure who nr 1 is. Bofors (from Sweden) has created the most advanced artillery in human existence. My comment was more of a joke then serious. I love U.S. Great country to be in. But your economy is so bad cause of all your military in Iraq and so on. But some country need to take a stand against that stupid country. I'll respect that, but Sweden is so small still we owns.
neverfell 4 months ago
@neverfell
Actually pretty much all of the West's economy is bad because of financial crisis in private and public finance...
556Fanatic 3 months ago
F 16 block 52+/60 is better and cheaper at a time.
MrThorn88 5 months ago
@MrThorn88 Look up the Red Flag exercise in Alaska and you will change your mind.
Iskall91 4 months ago
@Iskall91 and what about it?
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@MrThorn88 During the exercise, the Gripen C proved its superiority vs F-16C in both dogfights and BVR engagements. Given that the F-16E uses the same airframe as the F-16C, it has the same weakness when it comes to RCS and dogfights.
Iskall91 4 months ago
@Iskall91 But they didnt use F 16 block 52+ advanced or 60 (cuz they dont have it:).also f 16 always will be better for multirole tasks.Dogfight is not so important when over 80% of fights are at medium or long distance and f 16 block 52+ advanced carries the newest ganeration of missles for example aim9.Grippen only older generation.Also AWACS compatibilty in Grippen is very limited not like in F 16
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@MrThorn88 They used Block 52 F-16s out of the 425th Fighter Squadron. If you think dogfight is not important, look at the lessons learned from the Vietnam war when USA used F-4 phantoms. Dogfight matters a lot. Gripen uses the IRIS-T missile. The Aim-9 is being phased out. Both are short range heat seeking missiles. What makes you think the F-16 is better at multirole tasks? The Gripen is just as capable with AWACS as any other NATO standard fighter aircraft.
Iskall91 4 months ago
@Iskall91 52 but not 52+ plus:))its big difference:)Vietnam was many years agonow we have 2011:) well there many things that make f16 better multiroler I wont point them all but for examplef 16 has:Longer range,better radar,can carry heavier load(2 tones tmore than grippen),much more better climbing speed(gripen 250 m/s and f 16 340 m/s),max speed,F 16 carries newest missles AIM 9X,link 16 system,JHMCS helmit system,more various,multiple armament for ground targets(f.e. to ground radars destroy)
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@Iskall91 and dont get me wrong I dont say that grippen is worse dogfigher cuz of course is not,but grippen C and f 16C b 52+ are compareble as for dogfight(with little pointer to grippen),depands on pilot skills.But for multirole skills F 16 is better also much cheaper because Sweden had to make technology from the scratch and they did great job!!! but costed them a lot and technologies for f 16 were developed from existing which doesnt get so much money:)
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MrThorn88 4 months ago
@Iskall91 and BVR missles,they dont use the same missles for example new f 16 has AIM 9X !!,grippen has older version aim9M and 9X is much more viable can destroy targets at angle of 180 deegres with thrust vectoring. ,also grippen's better RCS doesnt mean he is invisible:)new radar APG-68(V)9 is more upgraded and much more sensitive and detects objects with better RCS(which is not sooooooo amazing in Gripen but very good:)
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@Iskall91 so read what this helmit gives in dogfight and then say something:)
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@MrThorn88 The Gripen uses the same BVR missiles as the F-16, and it also uses the Meteor which is one of the most modern BVR missiles today. Better radar or not, if the Gripen can detect the F-16 from a further distance than the F-16 can detect the Gripen, the F-16 is gone. The thing is that RCS is classified so it isn't possible to know which would win in a BVR engagement between the F-16E and the Gripen C, but between the Gripen NG and the F-16E, the result would be like in Red flag.
Iskall91 4 months ago
@Iskall91 52 but not 52+ plus:))its big difference:)Vietnam was many years agonow we have 2011:) well there many things that make f16 better multiroler I wont point them all but for examplef 16 has:Longer range,better radar,can carry heavier load(2 tones tmore than grippen),much more better climbing speed(gripen 250 m/s and f 16 340 m/s),max speed,F 16 carries newest missles AIM 9X,link 16 system,JHMCS helmit system,more various,multiple armament for ground targets(f.e. to ground radars destroy)
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@MrThorn88 It's not a big difference. The IRIS-T is newer. AIM-9X entered service in 2003. IRIS-T in 2005.
Radars:
PS-05A JAS-39 A/B/C/D
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 48~56 NM. All F-16s have 1.2 m2 in RCS. Gripen would spot the F-16 at around ~60 NM.
APG-68 V9 F-16 C/D/I (F-16 block 52+) Gripens RCS is 0.1 m2.
For RCS 0.1 m2 25~30 NM+
The F-16 would spot the Gripen at a maximum distance of ~30 NM.
APG-80 (F-16 block 60)
RCS target 0.1m2 28~36 NM
F-16 block 60 spots Gripen at ~36 NM
Iskall91 4 months ago
@Iskall91 u exagerated a bit but...nevermind:)but Ok about RCS but as for multirole marits I pointed F 16 b 52+ is much superior.
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@MrThorn88 So there you have it. Gripen is better than all the F-16 at BVR and in dogfights, and it is still very capable in a multi role mission. Just so you know, the link 16 is also used in the Gripen. Try to stay focused on the aircraft itself, rather than all the other equipment such as helmets -.-
Iskall91 4 months ago
@Iskall91 so grippen is not better as for BVR fight.equipment is very if not the most important thing on battlefield.
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@Iskall91 Im talking about f16 C b 52+.
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@Iskall91 Blok 52+ has very similar systems(ECM too) as Grippen,for now thy are compareble as for AA fight.Ground attack is very important factor on battle field and block 52+ is superior and I also compare sources and specifications,also I spoke to people on many fourums.Also there was big debate about these two fighters while buying fighter for Polish air force and many specialists(not only Polish) were debating and conclusion was one:As multirole fighter f 16 block 52 advanmced is better.
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@MrThorn88 They are not comparable in AA combat. I've already proven that. Gripen wins AA combat hands down. In ground attack, the F-16 is more potent due to it's bigger arsenal. The Gripen is less maintenance demanding, easier to operate, more cost effective than any F-16 today. The Gripen is also able to operate from a standard 800m road. It can be serviced by a crew of 5 conscripts and a technician under 10 min. Poland chose the F-16 based on Politics, NATO and the US.
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Iskall91 4 months ago
@MrThorn88
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The Gripen was one of contenders in competition for 48 new multirole fighters for the Polish Air Force. On 27 December 2002, the Polish Defence Minister announced the selection of the F-16C/D Block 50/52+. According to Stephen Larrabee, the choice to go with the F-16 was heavily influenced by a lucrative offset agreement by Lockheed Martin, and the political emphasis placed on the strategic relationship between Poland, the US, and NATO"
Iskall91 4 months ago
@MrThorn88 They are not comparable in AA combat. I've already proven that. Gripen wins AA combat hands down. In ground attack, I found some info about Gripen that makes it better. The Gripen is less maintenance demanding, easier to operate, more cost effective than any F-16 today. The Gripen is also able to operate from a standard 800m road. It can be serviced by a crew of 5 conscripts and a technician under 10 min. Poland chose the F-16 based on Politics, NATO and the US. Sent source in PM
Iskall91 4 months ago
@Iskall91 ground attack and multirole viabilty F 16 block 52+ is better.Greetings
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@MrThorn88 I've sent my sources to you. Now, I wish to see your sources.
Iskall91 4 months ago
@Iskall91 they are all on teh net,specifications data,etc.I dont feel like looking for them now.
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@Iskall91 I was learning about for some time now some of this sorces are unavaliable or just I foggot where I found them:)
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@MrThorn88 The truth is something that can be proven. You have failed to do so time and time again. You also fail to read any comment or source I give you. You are also desperate. A sign of failure. You also fail to grasp the basic concept of:
-How to write a coherent and readable piece of information
-Comparing sources
-Using sources
Based on that, I say that you've been defeated fair and square.
Iskall91 4 months ago
@Iskall91 U got pissed off cuz u know that truth is not ur domain.U lost.U wanted to convice me to ur view which is simply untrue or wanna-be truth:)I advise english reading classes if u have problems.U try to force me to admit that I lost hahah,U r pathetic.U r so desperate and lost that beg for admitting as ur last chance to win:)u r funny kid:)
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@Iskall91 U r also odd.All Swedish are like that?Like emotionally undeveloped robots?
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@MrThorn88 Do you seriously think I know the answer to that question? Why don't you come to Sweden and knock on everybody's door and ask? I'm sure you'll get a warm welcome. My reading skills are fine, but you apparently have some difficulty writing.
I'm not the one who uses several polish forums as sources, states that as facts, then have the nerve to call my sources made by the US air force and several others biased based on the fact that you lack sources to support your claim. I'm done here.
Iskall91 4 months ago
@Iskall91 Show me one grammar mistake I made in text I wrote to u.Maybe exept some typos and slangish words u won't find anything illogic or impossible to read.(unless u use google transalator)They were mostly american and english forums and few Polish but this is not about forums but specifiications and other real data put in there.U use wiki...yeaa its very reliable source hahah;)I dont have to support obvious conclusions.I should support statement that water is wet?cut this crap:)Good day.
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@Iskall91 Gripen NG is great defence AA fighter and if my country needed that kind of plane I'd like it to be Gripen.But we needed very good multirole fighter and BLOCK 52+ is the one cuz its better for this.
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@MrThorn88
I've been very kind and methodical to you during the entire time, and you should be grateful for that. I've come to the conclusion that you are either: A troll, or a troll. No one in the entire world no matter their age would display such an act of stupidity, stubbornness, ignorance and sheer and utter idiocy and not be a troll.
Have a nice day.
Iskall91 4 months ago
@Iskall91 but also that grippen has great future potential.I would say they are different types of fighter.Grippen is defence AA fighter and Block 52+/60 is multirole.But for now in AA fight they are compareble.Two of them has its good and bad sides so result of fight is matter of condisions,situation and pilot's skills.Greetings
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@Iskall91 Also newest F 16 's have better radar
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@Iskall91 so u have to admit that F 16 B 52+ is better multiroler:)
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@Iskall91 in dogfight grippen and f 16 B lock 52+ are compareble like I said it depands on pilot skills and as for multirole tasks F 16 is much more viable:)
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@Iskall91 thanks to this helmit f 16 doesnt have to be so manuvreble cuz pilot of f 16 will just look at gripen and shoot and will get grippen down:)
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@Iskall91 also I pointed many superior things of f 16 and u only spoted helmit.Be objecyive,we just disscus not fight.This planes will never fight against each other but will fight togheter against other air forces(if needed:)
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Iskall91 4 months ago
@MrThorn88 Besides, I don't exaggerate anything. I can send you my sources if you don't believe me. As for ground attack the F-16 block 60 is better, but for the rest, the Gripen is better. A multirole fighter's primary role is AA combat, second to that is Air to Surface and reacon. I forgot to mention Gripens ECM pod, which makes it nearly impossible for radar guided missiles and radars to lock on to the Gripen. That is also stated in the Red Flag exercise.
Iskall91 4 months ago
@Iskall91 the next thing is that even if grippen spots f 16 earlier he cant shoot him down cuz missles has about 20-30 kilometers range and f 16 will spot grippen from 40 kilometers easily(with range of radar of 130 km:)
MrThorn88 4 months ago
@MrThorn88 Please, use as few answers as possible. Otherwise it is difficult for me to give a correct answer. The Radar range is not the same as being able to spot something far away. Radar range is the maximum range the radar can spot anything at all. Radar detection range depends on the radar cross section of the target. A Gripen is better in dogfights compared to any F-16, as I have stated earlier, and as my sources indicate. A standard BVR missile has a range of 75 km.
Iskall91 4 months ago
@Iskall91 yeaa but block 52 has good systems to prevent hitting from 75 km.its almoast impossible to get him from that distance.
MrThorn88 4 months ago
What is the song in the video ?? I have got need to a name or lecturer. Please somebody !!!
takipeti92 5 months ago
jeg kan faen ikke tro at norge kjøpte f-35, de flygende iPodene og ikke disse?! De her er jo helt råe
Andersng1 5 months ago
This is why the Dassault Rafale fighter, can't have large markets sales around Europe and the world, is because of this Aircraft, by SAAB. Of course, the Typhoon, doesn't help the matter, as well. ( poor / sad France ).
MrJeffreydunson 5 months ago
HEY WTF IS THAT YOUR GRPAHICS IN ATTACK IS FAKE
MrTHENAZISOLDIER 5 months ago
@MrTHENAZISOLDIER idiot, its th promotional video!!! asshole
lucianmop 5 months ago
Bara svensk militär som använder sig av musik man får neger-vibbar av. Hade jag fått bestämma hade musiken utgjorts av Ultima Thule - Ragnarök. :-)
svensktiger1 5 months ago
cool I thing it's a light weight fighter
adeyaindonesia 5 months ago
The Gripen is a good bird.....probably the best non-NATO, non-Russian design there is. The Swedes made wise and efficient use of severely restricted funding for the Gripen program, and delivered a masterpiece. The Gripen isn't exactly an F-22, but still in the same league, and a match for any fighter if well handled.....not to mention quite a bit less expensive than most Western fighters. The Czechs are tickled silly with their new Gripens......a welcome change from the old Russian shit.
Lex5576 5 months ago
Hello Everybody!!! Jas is the best Fighter ever made. Join Strike Figther is realy BAD. Regards Svein Meyer, Norway
bergvoll14 5 months ago
@bergvoll14 Tell your government that :P
gt5004life 5 months ago
is this bird can land and take off from carrier
adeyaindonesia 5 months ago