What to improve education for more children? Take 'No Child Left Behind' and, please, remove all of the teenage drug dealers, gang bangers, thugs, etc. LEAVE THEM BEHIND. Then teachers can save the students who really want to learn.
Wouldn't it be nice if the public schools actually took their money and spent it on our kid's education? The problem is all the extra crap/junkets that school administrators and teachers enjoy while students still share outdated books. I'm sure after the elections are over the dept of education will take the 1st hit. I'm also sure that the frivolous spending will still continue and educational programs will be cut instead to make up any budget shortfalls.
I think that the basic premises of public education are incorrect, and that anyone who puts this institution into its historical context and examines it dispassionately will come to the same conclusion.
I'm also quite convinced that any impetus to abolish it, or even to change it substantially for the better will not come from within the system, because the teachers and bureaucrats are quite content with their current position and have no incentive to innovate.
As a business owner i can tell you first hand the kids that do go though the system are for the most part dummer than dog shit. and have no common sence////
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The point made around 2:12-2:20 about $28,000 is disingenius. No individual tax payer pays that much so not every family serviced by a DC public school could just get up and attend a private school if they had their tax dollars back.
@PaulsDigitalSelf I believe you're missing the point which is; if you took all the money currently spent on public schools but instead gave each student $28,000 dollars they could with that money attend the best private schools in the country. The entire video is about value per dollar spent. We're not getting a good deal in our public education system.
@Mooja12 Well I certainly do not disagree. Generally speaking I favor treating education as a comodity and not as a right or something compulsory. I did consider what you suggest I missed, but then I realized that no one from the Cato institute would ever recommend such a policy of wealth redistribution.
@PaulsDigitalSelf I agree. I don't view it as a practical solution. I view it as input into the equation as to whether or not we're spending enough on public education. It seems to me more money is not going to solve the public education problems which is exactly the opposite of what you might conclude after listening to public school officials or even mainstream media.
@PaulsDigitalSelf No, but if they were simply given $28,000 straight up, then they could. It would cost the same amount and the poor would receive an excellent education.
@smokeyhoodoo I am not entirely against that sort of redistrubution but I am not entirely infavor either. If we redistribute money that way, the people we take it from with taxation will deamnd to see evidence of a return on their investment and suddenly the private schools will be subject to regulation based on poltical favoritism. Education should function more like going to a dentist or hiring a lawyer. Let teachers control their own profession and let the market control the cost.
Oh and I highly doubt CATO is a big fan of corporations. CATO is more libertarian, and I for one hate corporations. Under our constitution and TRUE Capitalism corporations and tycoons would not be. Almost all the mega corporations are in bed with the government, receive some sort of subsidy or are above the law in some way. BTW America isn't capitalist. It's corporatist. Big Business in bed with Big Brother.
@withtheoldbreed: The right to form corporations is an essential aspect of freedom of association. We need to have some mechanism whereby we can act jointedly on our own initiative & share common resources. The only way to do this to have an association of some kind which can act w/ a common will according to the officers who run that corporation. That some larger corporations would seek special privileges & exemptions, but the only way for people to avoid that is by diligence.
I hate public high school. Waste of time and money. Why should it cost about 15k a year for me to be taught that Capitalism is bad and socialism is the system of the future. I'm not joking. I wish the founders made a law prohibiting states from forcing citizens to use products it services. I also wish I could opt out of Social Security and medicare seeing that, at current rates, our country will be in anarchy by the time I reach that age. Quit pissing on the constitution.
@mecher3k No i'm not joking. I was presented with a power point in which they showed an image that said capitalism. In the picture there were a bunch of sad people sitting at textile mills and behind the machines there was a Fat businessman with a sack of gold. In the picture of Socialism all the workers were happy and the businessman was replaced with a bright sun and a bunch of birds. I told my teacher that the slides were labeled long. She said that they were correct as they were.
@httm241 how do you know if someone is a liberal? "By their words ye shall know them...", like this person who elevates the conversation with 3 simple words "F*** the kochs" - keep talking out of your butts liberals - you will certainly lose what little platform you speak from which is fine with me
@mecher3k interesting, so you have inside knowlege concerning my love for Koch. Seeing as I don't know anything about him, not sure how I can be a Koch-loving fool. Guess you did a detail investigation about me, or maybe you made that deduction based on my opinions.
@mecher3k haven't been exposed to CATO until now, so your assuming I love CATO too. So far I've looked at one video from CATO. I live in CA, & I've seen what education is costing and I see the lack of preparedness of high school graduates for college and gen'l life skills, that's why I visited this site. If CATO data is amiss, than thats to their discredit and should be exposed. Also, data is subject to interpetion and different viewpoints, but when the data rolls in it can speak for itself
How much money is enough? Because no matter how much money they get, they always seem to be doing worse. Internationally, funding does not seem to correlate with performance. How expensive should it really be to get some books and some people to teach math, reading and the sciences?
What guarrantee is there that your cherished public schools will put the money to use in a way of which you approve?
And private schools are heavily regulated today, and made to -
- use the same methods as public schools have been using for the last 200 years. They're also subject to the teacher unions' cartelistic licensing systems and writs of tenure.
They're a poor representation, a shadow of a shadow of what free enterprise in education may look like, with all forms of significant innovation prohibited by law. They're made to use the same same resources in a similar way, and they still regularly outperform public schools.
@PanzerDivisionBOM So what you're saying is public schools need to be watched over and regulated more carefully? I agree.
Other than that, the only thing I'm getting out of your reply that is relevant to my 5-month-old comment is that you think it's a great idea to have such ethical companies (like Monsanto and World News) to come in and teach children a pro-business attitude? When the entire economic collapse of 2008 was caused by such an attitude? Sounds like you need to go back to school.
"Regulated?" How much more "regulated" can you get than outright state ownership?
Your characterization of the 2008 financial crisis is completely ahistorical. It happened a few years after a major change in and expansion of the regulatory structure, in a period of severe inflation and credit manipulation, and was most severely felt in the enormously subsidized subprime mortgage sector, Banks like Wells-Fargo were even able to continue making small, consistent -
- net gains during the crisis by largely forgoing repackaged subprime mortgages (weathering constant punitive legal action to do so) and the new short-term debt papers, in favour relatively traditional and conservative assets.
But most telling of all is the emergence of the shadow banking sector shortly after Basel II. I've read some economic history, but I've never heard of anything like it. The closest thing I know of is the Blat, the organized Soviet black markets.
They were just saying know the cost. Once that is known it'll be Easier to make an informed decision. What if the best schools end up being the cheapest?
@mecher3k "corporation" in itself is not a buzzword for evil - corporations who do bad things are bad - so please explain when you say corporations are bad. I will say in general, corporations that are monopolistic in nature (ie. microsoft, google, etc.) tend to be self-serving, ie. serve their own interests rather than the interests of consumers Why doensn't someone mention Berskire-Hathaway in same breath as Koch bros.? Murdoch & co. drives price of oil up with their speculation.
The solution is simple - yet difficult. Institute uniforms and behavior codes in all public schools. Make it easier to fire teachers who don't perform. Hold parents responsible for childrens behavior and performance. That would "fix" the public system. Many of the other suggestions would lead to even more imbalance. Also let's stop being so politically correct. In many cases males and females learn better when they are separated (in classes at least - if not school).
All this does is show that private schools have lower general expenses than public ones. That's partially because private schools don't offer as wide a variety of athletic and extra curricular programs that public schools attempt to. Private schools also pick which students they will accept based on their own entrance standards, and don't need to fund special needs programs like the public schools that educate EVERYONE. It's easy to play with stats if you leave out key factors.
@GrapplingIgnorance If anything, private schools offer much more in the way of athletic and extra curricular progams. Don't make assumptions unless you've attended a private school for years
@nickitheninja5 Some do, most don't. It's not an assumption that private schools cater to a specific number of students who accepted at their own discretion. They don't need to accept students with special needs that would cost them more to accommodate for, and they don't need to deal with students that cause disciplinary problems or have other setbacks that the school deems unworthy of their time. Public schools educate EVERYONE. It's no contest to decide which ones have more on their plates.
@GrapplingIgnorance - you are correct. it would never be a fair comparison between public and private schools. Private schools don't have to cater to everyone like a public school does. It's a ridiculous comparison. There are many good public schools - as many as there are bad. I went to a private school and I went to good and "bad" (which really it was the population) public schools. Each one has it's plusses and minuses and a credit all three with helping me learn about life.
@nickitheninja5 They do educate everyone but how come a school in D.C needs $28k to educate a student when I go to a private school that only costs $13k a year to send me to. Is it really $15,000 more just because of special needs kids?
there is absolutely NO incentive for govt to help u. there is every bit of incentive for it to hurt you in every single way & regulate your life- govt is where all the tyrants live
It merely comes down to this: for every dollar recieved by the supposed beneficiary, how much does it cost the system & how long does it take?
A private charity has over 80-90% turnover efficiency. govt welfare? it costs at LEAST $5 for every $1 received. Moreover, that money recieved through govt welfare costs a ton of time, hassle & it often times doesn't even go to the right people- just look @ katrina. Who helped more people? fema or the local charity?
How much does it cost to learn how to add, multiply & divide? well if your in the so called 'public education', then it cost typically almost a million a classroom just to educate them from birth to when they learn to add in the public school. private? well u teach the kid urself- cost like nothing! thats why private charities are a trillion times more efficient!
Fact is that all the public schools cost millions of times more than any private/VOLUNTARY education would ever cost. Government currently is all about increasing externalities- seperating internal costs from the internal benefit. The voluntary sector is about making cost & benefit coherent- associating the costs & the benefit of every individual transaction as closely as possible and thus we see the increased efficiency & lower prices!
I suggest u at least study economics and read hayek's "Human Action" and "Road to Serfdom" as well as the works of Mises, Rothbard, Frederich Bastiat & david riccardo before u even have the audacity to talk of any public policy or economics!
It is both minute & yet overwhelmingly massive at the same time! minute in the sense that no person has more than a minute amount of it. Yet it remains overwhelmingly massive in that it is impossible for any person to have even the slightest inkling of its size!
If I have learned anything about corporate funded right wing think tanks it's that they have a habit of peddling privatization ideas simply as a way to funnel taxpayer money into their wallets. You want to prove private schools are better? Take 100 kids with bad grades and fork over the case yourselves to send them to private school instead of paying people to make youtube videos and invent untested policy ideas. That's all you have to do to make your case. Everything else is irrelevant.
why don't you???!!!! instead of STEALING money from parents & families through taxes and forcing families to pay double or even quadruple in some cases for a lousy education, give that money all of it back to the parents and families, give the school districts a middle finger & tell them to compete for students properly as any other business has to in order to survive. aka restore accountability!
@swu880 because I am not stupid enough to believe that if we stopped funding education that parents will be responsible enough to send their children to school on their own accord. Because I know the illiteracy rate will increase dramatically and the economy will tank. Because I'm not a dumbass ideologue who wants to run our society on the basis of axioms, assumptions and corporate funded propaganda but on practical real world solutions that have been shown to work.
hahahah That is called freedom. Freedom is self responsibility. Self responsibility is freedom! being able to bear both the fruits & consequences is the essence of decision making
Moreover, what makes you assume that there even exists some 'know it all' regulator who can determine the "best-est" choice for each and every person? lolol That is called tyranny! That is ARROGANCE! Hayek & mises wrote about this. Knowledge is very dispersive & very minute
@swu880 "Moreover, what makes you assume that there even exists some 'know it all'"
Never made such a claim. In fact I never said anything about government regulation at all. That's another issue.
Your response demonstrates your short sidedness quite well. But if you really wanted to be as free as you claim you do you would live by yourself in the middle of nowhere away from society where no one would tax you cent. Clearly freedom is not the only thing you seek in life.
@ned262626 It counts both the cost of debt service and capital costs as "educational expenditure paid with taxpayer dollars" but capital costs are paid by issuing bonds, not taxpayer dollars, which are then paid for by debt payments. Double counting.
I have no doubt that many public schools are inefficiently run, and through several channels the status quot will be upheld by those in authoritative positions in some sense or another, whether it be in schools (public or private), churches, community groups, and many political organizations, there will always be those who oppose it. I'm a public school teacher and I always encourage my students to think for themselves and question everything. This is my most cherished belief: individuality.
If schools are privatized the model will be the top 1% receives their million dollar bonuses of the public money to finance their dead asses. Wait till corporations take over. !!!! A dream to some a nightmare to the people!!
@redblue18700 I am not a libertarian but from what I understand, they feel that the Federal Government should have no authority over state affairs. They view that medical care and education are state affairs and that the federal government has interefered in states' rights too much. They feel that each state should decide it's own curriculum--not the NEA and the teachers' unions. As far as their feelings on union control over education, I'm not sure on that. They'll need to respond to you.
@gooangel2 the supreme court has ruled consistently that vouchers are legal. vouchers do not go to schools , they go to parents. the parents can spend it on whatever they want.
its like the military paying a soldier his salary. then the soldier uses the money he was given by the government to buy a bible. same thing.
@ned262626 I wasn't referring to vouchers. That would be the same principle Belgium schools operate on in a sense. They assign X amount of tax dollars to each child at birth and the parents can choose public or private schools. It creates competition. I have no problem with that because it is the parents making the decision and not union backed institutions. Tax dollars cannot go directly to the private schools and that has been ruled unconstitutional. I have no problem with what you pose.
I was asked about the "opportunity" kids have on these computers. They need to learn the skills manually before ever touching a computer. Unless a first grader is learning C++ I see no need to have any in the classrooms before 9th or 10th grade. Putting elementary and middle school students on these--with the exception of GT or special needs is stupidity. Our literacy rates have dropped in 20 years, not increased. Time to go back to the old ways a bit and use pen and paper.
Do libertarians believe that tax dollars should go to education at all? Don't they believe that poor parents will just have to educate their kids on their own? Do they believe that children have a right to tax dollars for education? I'm not sure they do.
@redblue18700 That's a very small fringe. Of course if making a "bad guy" allows you to hold your death grip on the "teachers unions are awesome" platform, be my guest.
I, on the other hand, would like to know my tax dollars are going to funding good, cost-efficient education.
I went to public schools - They are shit holes mostly...few are decent enough to even be called schools...
I found passion for learning outside of high school...did what I had to do and graduated....but high school mostly Imprisons the student mind and potential for 4 years until graduation...then reality is the true test and sets in motion
your true passions and ability's ...
The Truth is man can teach himself
I am a student for life...always learning..and they don't even teach that in school
Private schools are by far cheaper. We should be able to use our tax dollars as a credit to send our kids to private schools. Create some competition to boost public schools.
@Pernic10us Computers are a luxury. It is fact that literacy rates were higher even in the 70's and 80's than now. We didn't have computers then. We learned to do all on paper prior to getting any luxurious perks in high school--which meant free time when we did well. No child should see a computer until at least 10th grade and it should be used for research purposes. Unless learning C++ there isn't a reason to have them until high school. Parents then caved to pressure sales to own one.
@redblue18700 What really causes gas prices to go crazy...is the futures market, hedge funds and leverage....it really has nothing to do with LOL- any propaganda of crude shortage.
My point is that, perhaps, there are certian tax breaks for oil companies, processing, drilling, etc... that make gas prices too low, subsidies of a sort. At what point do tax breaks = subsidies? What is the baseline? If certain gas company tax breaks were removed gas might double in cost, thus reflecting the "true" cost of gas. This higher gas price would force consumers to choose alternative means of energy. Again, I have no idea what the details are.
The thing they don't mention is that private schools hand pick their students public schools do not. Which case what's the bench mark of a good school? Average Grades? Fix the problem allow public schools to hand pick their students you'll see performance numbers that rival the best Private schools overnight.
@U20E27 Yes this is true, private schools and colloquial schools have TOTAL control over what students they wish to keep enrolled. So if there is a student that is off in any way, they can BOOT the kid. This is UNHEARD of in the public schools. Those of us that are teachers or administrators know it.
So don't trust those "test scores" folks. The private schools get only the TOP students. Private schools are FORCED to keep every child.
School districts don't need to be spending $ on laptiops and IPads for pupils and it is happening. No student should see a computer until 10th grade or higher and to hell with public pressure for everyone to have a PC/Internet as if it is some kind of entitlement! I'm sick of my dime paying fo this crap and software designed to help them to "learn" skills when that is a teacher's job. IF they can't do it on paper, step-by-step, they sure don't need a luxury item to do it for them.
How can the teachers "learn" the students, of they don't have the tools to do it? I don't know how old you are, but I would be willing to bet that you have seen a considerable change in the workplace because of the use of computers!
Your tax dollars will be paying for it now, and their tax dollars are going to be paying for your Social Security then. Don't you want them to have every opportunity available to them?
@Pernic10us computers in the workplace are one thing. Computers in classrooms are another. Unless a first grader is learning C++, there is no need for a first grader to be on one--period. It is a luxury--not a necessity. Literacy rates have dropped in the past 20 years. It's time to go back to having them learn skills manually before introducing them to a computer. Having them in the classroom is not an opportunity for them at younger ages--it's a distraction from real learning.
This is a joke, we need to look deeper. This a biased representation. This has left the viewers with the impression that every public school student has $28,000 spent on him. That is certainly not true. But if some of these extra costs are incurred through building expenses, what, are they CONSTANTLY tearing down existing buildings and building new ones? That is absurd.
And to the man that said that 50% of public school graduates CAN'T READ, you can't be serious, please enlighten me.
@keysmann1 I saw the information in THIS video, that is not an objective representation of what the typical student has spent on him throughout the year.
And the reason that I was saying this seemed biased is because they took the HIGHEST figure that they could find, $28,000, and represented it as TYPICAL spending; that is biased.
If I asked you "how much money do you make?" And you find the LARGEST check that you EVER received, that is not a TRUE evaluation of your earnings; it's biased.
Homeschooling isn't necessary. Parents just need to take the time to get involved with the school. If there is something that they would like to see done differently, get in and make some suggestions. You hear a lot of people complaining, but see very little action. If you were to compare the top performing schools, public or private, to the lesser, you would see a considerable contrast in parent involvement in the students' education.
You're right. Home schooling may have it's advantages. But it is an option very few families can afford. We should be focusing on a viable solution for everyone. We as a society need to improve general education.
I am not saying that the current situation is ideal.
I do know however, that time and effort can be spent in the school by the parent, and the result of this is good. My kids are among the top performers in their classes, and have taken up, and excelled in extra-curricular activities. They far more competent than I was at their age, and it is mostly because I have spent the time and attention encouraging this. That is all it takes.
@Pernic10us It is not up to individuals to decide if "homeschooling is necessary" or not. It is up to the parents. Many teach their children at home because the schools ignored them when they felt that their childrens' needs were ignored by administrators and/or teachers at the particular school. As for the top performing public schools, not every parent can send their kids to those schools without relocating to that district.
There are a couple of interesting videos on the BuySomeBrains channel. He suggests putting a lot of what is done in schools, online. He calls teachers, performance artists protecting their interests! What do others make of his idea to break the current system and save costs?
In order to phase out public schools, it is necessary to establish low tuition private schools. The private schools would need a source of income other than tuition. One possibility is corporate sponsorship. How to get them to sponsor schools for a reason other than charity is the hard part. Schools would have to be a kind of advertising platform, which I have no problem with.
I think abolishing the cartels would go a long ways towards making education cheaper. New teachers could undercut the established ones by accepting sub-monopoly employment conditions, and new schools could undercut the old ones by cutting down on the expensive status symbols, discovering a more rational method for selecting qualified teachers than the current licensing requirements and by trimming down their curriculae to more precisely fit the specific needs of their students.
if you hate your child send them to public education. that would be the only reason to send them there.Item #10 of the communist manifesto will tell you the same.
This is crazy. That is more than what we are paying for our son's college education at a major university. Too many big wigs in public education are getting paid way too much. Our buildings are way too fancy, and it is our children that are paying the price. Too bad we didn't get these amounts per year when we opted to home educate. Yes, home education works, he's been on the Dean's List all semesters, and will graduate at the end of this school year.
@MeyerG4Indiana its not only that they are getting paid too much. Its that you are paying for your son to be brain fucked. He'll end up a libtard with a piece of paper saying he's smart when he is actually retarted. hahahahah
Why is the Government always involved in Lies. Government is so disreputable; it is evil. We really need to limit evil and not advance it, not give into it, no subsidize it. This is ugly. LA spends how much? LA spends that for kids who can barely even speak a proper sentence. It is not the teachers and it is not the money, it is the culture and Government supports this kind of culture because it itself is flawed and ugly.
@catoinstitutevideo Why did you lead with Houston and not LA? LA was big news this month, opening a building at a cost of 580m (and what was not reported was the several other multiple-100 dollar building opened recently). LA has horrible performance in every metric, re learning and achievement.
@dskeans So? He's talking about the "real" cost of education, not what the schools want you to believe. The point is the school lie about how much they spend per pupil by conveniently leaving out a few things.
@miazagora Thank you for your comments. More people need to speak up about how unequal and unethical public schooling is. If we want to have a free country, the most important step we need to take is to eliminate all public funding if schools. Our schools are no longer teaching about freedom; they teach socialism, just like the former USSR.
good luck changing this... the teachers union is the MOST powerful organization in this country they will vote your ass out if they think you are gonna cut the fat out of their comfy govt job. There are more teachers than anything in this country and they decide who gets in and who doesnt. great video though!
I would support school choice but I do not want to see my tax dollars go to sectarian schools. If vouchers were only allowed for secular schools I would support it.
@Ramshobraja So, you would rather children languish in awful public schools rather than get a good education in a "sectarian" school - no matter what it costs taxpayers. It's this type of thinking that has gotten us where we are today.
@miazagora Taxpayer dollars funding religious institutions is unconstitutional. Second, we don't need sectarian schools which discriminate against students. If you fund one sectarian school, you have to fund them all.
@Ramshobraja Belgium (not exactly a leader of socially conservative thought) allows kids to go to whatever school they want on the voucher system, Catholic/Islam/Protestant/etc included.
It isn't an endorsement of a religion if they allow kids to have the same chance to attend any religious institution. Also, I'm sick of liberals who scare people into thinking Catholic schools are indoctrination centers. Went to one for grammar, I can assure you they are not (and I had a better elem. ed, too).
Protect your public education against attacks by private interests lest you get a situation like Australia's; where rich private religious schools have received MORE public funding then secular public schools; which are then attacked for being inadequate and used to argue public edu per se is a waste. The very damaged caused by money stolen from public schools is used to argue still more should be taken and gifted to the private schools. It is a recipe for inequity and injustice.
@Tuathalful Want equality? Privatize ALL education - no taxpayer money for any schools - even colleges. Let schools compete for students and let students be free of "districts".
Is this an attack on the principle of public education? It claims state schools don't want you to know where they spend, but in my experience the same is true of private schools, esp. private schools that receive government funding. Both public and private use selected spending in promotion, but that's not transparency. Is the solution to people thinking it is morally ok to rip off the government, getting rid of government? Shall we return to the problems of society without public education?
" Shall we return to the problems of society without public education? "
When 87% were functionally literate, basic education could be had for as little as cost 40 dollars per year (1990 dollars) , where the last of the Mahicans was a best seller a book which very few people can read. Where in a population of 6 million, nearly 3 million copies of Thomas Paine "Common Sense" were sold. The gap between rich and poor has increased sense the founding of public schooling.
@Tuathalful What "problems" did public education solve? (NONE) Private schools - especially those that receive vouchers from our "benevolent" government, are kept to a MUCH higher standard than public schools. That's because they don't have teacher's unions involved. It's CRAZY to spend this much per pupil per year, when we could send every child in America to private school for LESS money and not have the headaches of unions and beaurocrats and special interests running education.
Public education is simply an imposed form of ignorance. The books are written by big corporations who censor true history, math and sciences are oversimplified, subsidies are granted for drugging the children with ADD meds, subsidies are granted for monstrous surveillance apparatuses, kids migrate from one indoctrination room to the next stripped of their critical thought, will to learn, will to ask questions, and regular interests. This is why kids are fucked up today. Simple shit folks.
@ChucMungNamMoiAoDai You do realize if public schools didn't exist then a high percentage of children won't be able to read and write, because private schools charge by the hour.
@eathenicus The cost of private education would come down because demand would go up. There would be scholarships provided by private industry that would fund schools. People would not be bound by "districts" and would have true choice and there would be competition, so the quality WOULD go up. Look at the graduation rates of pub. schls, especially in large cities - some are at less than 50%. The literacy rate was MUCH higher BEFORE public schools.
@eathenicus You realize that 28% of "high school graduates" can't read and write anyway? Factor in the number of kids who don't graduate at all, and the number is probably more like 50% of all kids who currently attend government schools will never learn to read and write. And all at the cheap price of $28,000.
Let me ask you this: would you buy a car for $28,000 that doesn't run?
Right now, private schools are essentially relegated to a niché market for rich kids by the existence of a tax-funded alternative, and are hampered by state regulations, including regional monopolies called "districts", AND are subject to a monopsony on teaching, held by the teachers' union.
And they're STILL cheaper than public schools. Add to that the fact that, with those programs ended, people would get to keep a lot more of their money. Now, why do you think prices would go anywhere other than way, way down? Why would not a vibrant marketplace of education spring up, to facilitate every niché and price point?
Y'know... a lot of people claim that if you forced the public school system to emulate the private sector, all of its problems would magically disappear. What this fails to account for is the fact that nine out of ten private businesses fail within the first year of operation. If all fifty states privatized their public school systems, we would have five school systems left at the end of the year.
@caffeinedelusions I think you misunderstand. The idea of free markets for schooling is not about converting a public institution over to a private: That would create a mess. There are two keys that I know of to encouraging private education over public education:
1. You need to encourage a free market where people have the choice of where to send their children to be educated.
2. The transition must be gradual so the markets can adjust.
@michaelt27 I don't misunderstand in the least. I disagree with the basic aim. Private education -shouldn't- be encouraged over public education.
Private Education conceals its shortcomings by only accepting successful students. This creates the illusion of superiority.
The unsuccessful students are dumped into the public school system, thus hampering its effectiveness. This creates the illusion of inferiority. The aim needs to be systemic improvement of the public system, not its abandonment.
By "private schools", are you by any chance referring to the ones in the US? Because knowing on the one hand something of how heavily regulated these schools are, and on the other how they are at present relegated to a niche market by a combination of public schools and truency laws, I don't think that observing them can yield any meaningful insight into the particulars of a market-driven alternative.
@michaelt27 To clarify, when I speak of abandonment it is with the understanding that each student sent to a private school represents parents that is abandoning the public system when their involvement could support and improve it.
I grew up in education, I -know- how funding is set up.
What this comes down to is this; either you want a public school system that works, and want to improve it, or you don't want a public system. Private schools directly undermine the funding of public schools.
@caffeinedelusions some private schools, I believe do only accept above average students, more frequently though the selection factor works nearly a reverse way: Students go to private school because parents feel that the students will do better there. Having been in both, I can be one voice supporting these parent's choice: The environment in the frugal private schools I was in was far better for learning and growing than their more costly public counterparts.
@caffeinedelusions I believe the solution lies not in abolishing the public system, but in de-monopolizing it. Where I live, everyone pays taxes to support the public system and those who send children to private school pay additional money to cover those costs. Seldom do parents volunteer in schools. The only big way then that sending children to private school is undermining p. s. is in less funding from the government.
I say let the school be accountable and merit the funding.
@caffeinedelusions Private schools do not undermine public schools. There is no proof that the "involvement" of private-schooled/home schooled kids would improve public schools. That's a myth and is unprovable. Just like "jobs saved or created".
The most fundamental question of all: What is the underlying law of nature.
As the way of all things, what effect do you suppose its question, knowledge, understanding and application by billions of persons would have on the state of global economics, science, the humanities, education, government and business?
And lets not forget the single, childless people that are getting taxed more and more via sin taxes to support public schools; At the very least, as a parent, the more you pay in at least has some value, even if its obscured.
If you are responsible and didn't have a child; Well, your out food stamps, government help, and you have to pay more on sin taxes...
Use a condom or stop making us pay for your mistakes
While true, the information here is misleading. The next appropriate step would be to then divide that new per pupil spending number by the number of families paying it, then see which private schools your families contribution would get you into. Public education in America is a collective investment by society towards future generations, not merely later in the life of the current generation.
Public education in America is a collective investment by the government towards brainwashing of future generations with keynesian economics, statism and New World Order propaganda. What a great investment that is.
Well if you decided to go for a private school, you would still be paying property taxes for public schools anyways, so you might as well use the product.
This video leaves out what I think is by far the greatest cost of all: the souls and minds of the young.
Ever since the Prussian model was adopted, no significant progress has been made in the process of education. If anything, schools are worse now than they were a hundred years ago. A nation that could once absorb Locke can now barely read at all, and fully one third of all schoolchildren have to be kept drugged, so as not to constitute a physical danger to themselves or others.
That is true, of course. "The Good Ol' Days" really weren't, unless you had the good fortune to be born a white male, instead of, say, one of the millions of natives who were killed during Columbus' lifetime.
So, is your argument that an abolition of state-sponsored and -enforced public schools and truency laws would cause more state-enforced genocide and slavery? Because I'd love to see the deduction on that.
@PanzerDivisionBOM "A nation that could once absorb Locke can now barely read at all," When "Captain Underpants" is on the Summer reading list for schools, you know we're in trouble!
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What to improve education for more children? Take 'No Child Left Behind' and, please, remove all of the teenage drug dealers, gang bangers, thugs, etc. LEAVE THEM BEHIND. Then teachers can save the students who really want to learn.
englishteach26 1 week ago
I wish tax receipts would say exactly what the money paid for...
jonescomplete 1 week ago
good god...
benxr2006 2 weeks ago
Wouldn't it be nice if the public schools actually took their money and spent it on our kid's education? The problem is all the extra crap/junkets that school administrators and teachers enjoy while students still share outdated books. I'm sure after the elections are over the dept of education will take the 1st hit. I'm also sure that the frivolous spending will still continue and educational programs will be cut instead to make up any budget shortfalls.
justmichelle71 1 month ago
@justmichelle71
I think that the basic premises of public education are incorrect, and that anyone who puts this institution into its historical context and examines it dispassionately will come to the same conclusion.
I'm also quite convinced that any impetus to abolish it, or even to change it substantially for the better will not come from within the system, because the teachers and bureaucrats are quite content with their current position and have no incentive to innovate.
PanzerDivisionBOM 3 weeks ago
As a business owner i can tell you first hand the kids that do go though the system are for the most part dummer than dog shit. and have no common sence////
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America is F N DOOMED and in 20 years will deserve to be a forth rate world power
HoodwinkedbyanAngel 1 month ago
The point made around 2:12-2:20 about $28,000 is disingenius. No individual tax payer pays that much so not every family serviced by a DC public school could just get up and attend a private school if they had their tax dollars back.
PaulsDigitalSelf 3 months ago
@PaulsDigitalSelf I believe you're missing the point which is; if you took all the money currently spent on public schools but instead gave each student $28,000 dollars they could with that money attend the best private schools in the country. The entire video is about value per dollar spent. We're not getting a good deal in our public education system.
Mooja12 3 months ago
@Mooja12 Well I certainly do not disagree. Generally speaking I favor treating education as a comodity and not as a right or something compulsory. I did consider what you suggest I missed, but then I realized that no one from the Cato institute would ever recommend such a policy of wealth redistribution.
PaulsDigitalSelf 3 months ago
@PaulsDigitalSelf I agree. I don't view it as a practical solution. I view it as input into the equation as to whether or not we're spending enough on public education. It seems to me more money is not going to solve the public education problems which is exactly the opposite of what you might conclude after listening to public school officials or even mainstream media.
Mooja12 3 months ago
@PaulsDigitalSelf No, but if they were simply given $28,000 straight up, then they could. It would cost the same amount and the poor would receive an excellent education.
smokeyhoodoo 2 months ago
@smokeyhoodoo I am not entirely against that sort of redistrubution but I am not entirely infavor either. If we redistribute money that way, the people we take it from with taxation will deamnd to see evidence of a return on their investment and suddenly the private schools will be subject to regulation based on poltical favoritism. Education should function more like going to a dentist or hiring a lawyer. Let teachers control their own profession and let the market control the cost.
PaulsDigitalSelf 2 months ago
Well, public opinion shows that most people support private school vouchers.
jpzxcvbnm 3 months ago
would a billion dollars a student be enough to ensure a good education?
phifaces 3 months ago
Oh and I highly doubt CATO is a big fan of corporations. CATO is more libertarian, and I for one hate corporations. Under our constitution and TRUE Capitalism corporations and tycoons would not be. Almost all the mega corporations are in bed with the government, receive some sort of subsidy or are above the law in some way. BTW America isn't capitalist. It's corporatist. Big Business in bed with Big Brother.
withtheoldbreed 5 months ago
@withtheoldbreed: The right to form corporations is an essential aspect of freedom of association. We need to have some mechanism whereby we can act jointedly on our own initiative & share common resources. The only way to do this to have an association of some kind which can act w/ a common will according to the officers who run that corporation. That some larger corporations would seek special privileges & exemptions, but the only way for people to avoid that is by diligence.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
I hate public high school. Waste of time and money. Why should it cost about 15k a year for me to be taught that Capitalism is bad and socialism is the system of the future. I'm not joking. I wish the founders made a law prohibiting states from forcing citizens to use products it services. I also wish I could opt out of Social Security and medicare seeing that, at current rates, our country will be in anarchy by the time I reach that age. Quit pissing on the constitution.
withtheoldbreed 5 months ago
@withtheoldbreed
"Why should it cost about 15k a year for me to be taught that Capitalism is bad and socialism is the system of the future. I'm not joking."
That's right you're not joking, you're outright lying.
mecher3k 3 months ago
@mecher3k No i'm not joking. I was presented with a power point in which they showed an image that said capitalism. In the picture there were a bunch of sad people sitting at textile mills and behind the machines there was a Fat businessman with a sack of gold. In the picture of Socialism all the workers were happy and the businessman was replaced with a bright sun and a bunch of birds. I told my teacher that the slides were labeled long. She said that they were correct as they were.
withtheoldbreed 3 months ago
@withtheoldbreed
That's right, you're not joking. You're lying.
mecher3k 3 months ago
Fuck thee kochs
httm241 6 months ago
@httm241 how do you know if someone is a liberal? "By their words ye shall know them...", like this person who elevates the conversation with 3 simple words "F*** the kochs" - keep talking out of your butts liberals - you will certainly lose what little platform you speak from which is fine with me
phifaces 3 months ago
@phifaces
Lol clueless idiot. I did have a detail rebuttal against you, but I see now you just a Koch loving fool.
mecher3k 3 months ago
@mecher3k interesting, so you have inside knowlege concerning my love for Koch. Seeing as I don't know anything about him, not sure how I can be a Koch-loving fool. Guess you did a detail investigation about me, or maybe you made that deduction based on my opinions.
phifaces 3 months ago
@phifaces
Considering how you love CATO, you obviously love the Koch as Charles was one of two founders of CATO.
Yea, good job at getting your info from the same people who helped to fuck over the country.
mecher3k 3 months ago
@mecher3k haven't been exposed to CATO until now, so your assuming I love CATO too. So far I've looked at one video from CATO. I live in CA, & I've seen what education is costing and I see the lack of preparedness of high school graduates for college and gen'l life skills, that's why I visited this site. If CATO data is amiss, than thats to their discredit and should be exposed. Also, data is subject to interpetion and different viewpoints, but when the data rolls in it can speak for itself
phifaces 3 months ago
can some one tell me what cato is
CMSpida 6 months ago
This country's public education system sucks. Why? Because they don't have anywhere near enough funds.
Also, we should abolish private schools...they mostly teach elitism and lies.
dudelikesWoW 6 months ago
@dudelikesWoW
How much money is enough? Because no matter how much money they get, they always seem to be doing worse. Internationally, funding does not seem to correlate with performance. How expensive should it really be to get some books and some people to teach math, reading and the sciences?
What guarrantee is there that your cherished public schools will put the money to use in a way of which you approve?
And private schools are heavily regulated today, and made to -
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PanzerDivisionBOM 3 weeks ago
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- use the same methods as public schools have been using for the last 200 years. They're also subject to the teacher unions' cartelistic licensing systems and writs of tenure.
They're a poor representation, a shadow of a shadow of what free enterprise in education may look like, with all forms of significant innovation prohibited by law. They're made to use the same same resources in a similar way, and they still regularly outperform public schools.
PanzerDivisionBOM 3 weeks ago
@PanzerDivisionBOM So what you're saying is public schools need to be watched over and regulated more carefully? I agree.
Other than that, the only thing I'm getting out of your reply that is relevant to my 5-month-old comment is that you think it's a great idea to have such ethical companies (like Monsanto and World News) to come in and teach children a pro-business attitude? When the entire economic collapse of 2008 was caused by such an attitude? Sounds like you need to go back to school.
dudelikesWoW 3 weeks ago
@dudelikesWoW
"Regulated?" How much more "regulated" can you get than outright state ownership?
Your characterization of the 2008 financial crisis is completely ahistorical. It happened a few years after a major change in and expansion of the regulatory structure, in a period of severe inflation and credit manipulation, and was most severely felt in the enormously subsidized subprime mortgage sector, Banks like Wells-Fargo were even able to continue making small, consistent -
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PanzerDivisionBOM 3 weeks ago
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- net gains during the crisis by largely forgoing repackaged subprime mortgages (weathering constant punitive legal action to do so) and the new short-term debt papers, in favour relatively traditional and conservative assets.
But most telling of all is the emergence of the shadow banking sector shortly after Basel II. I've read some economic history, but I've never heard of anything like it. The closest thing I know of is the Blat, the organized Soviet black markets.
PanzerDivisionBOM 3 weeks ago
They were just saying know the cost. Once that is known it'll be Easier to make an informed decision. What if the best schools end up being the cheapest?
LoklarYsera 6 months ago
Ahhh yes the cato institute, the "think tank" for corporations everywhere!
mecher3k 6 months ago
@mecher3k How are they for corporations? Because they say we need less government in our lives? Please.
Seiku 6 months ago
@Seiku
Lol. You are so ignorant on who supports CATO. Hint, it's the corporations.
mecher3k 6 months ago
@mecher3k The word "Corporation" is somehow some voodoo curse word to you. Theres no point in discussing it if you have a strong bias about it.
Seiku 6 months ago
@mecher3k "corporation" in itself is not a buzzword for evil - corporations who do bad things are bad - so please explain when you say corporations are bad. I will say in general, corporations that are monopolistic in nature (ie. microsoft, google, etc.) tend to be self-serving, ie. serve their own interests rather than the interests of consumers Why doensn't someone mention Berskire-Hathaway in same breath as Koch bros.? Murdoch & co. drives price of oil up with their speculation.
phifaces 3 months ago
fuck you cato institute
httm241 6 months ago
The solution is simple - yet difficult. Institute uniforms and behavior codes in all public schools. Make it easier to fire teachers who don't perform. Hold parents responsible for childrens behavior and performance. That would "fix" the public system. Many of the other suggestions would lead to even more imbalance. Also let's stop being so politically correct. In many cases males and females learn better when they are separated (in classes at least - if not school).
Amidat 6 months ago
All this does is show that private schools have lower general expenses than public ones. That's partially because private schools don't offer as wide a variety of athletic and extra curricular programs that public schools attempt to. Private schools also pick which students they will accept based on their own entrance standards, and don't need to fund special needs programs like the public schools that educate EVERYONE. It's easy to play with stats if you leave out key factors.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance If anything, private schools offer much more in the way of athletic and extra curricular progams. Don't make assumptions unless you've attended a private school for years
nickitheninja5 6 months ago
@nickitheninja5 Some do, most don't. It's not an assumption that private schools cater to a specific number of students who accepted at their own discretion. They don't need to accept students with special needs that would cost them more to accommodate for, and they don't need to deal with students that cause disciplinary problems or have other setbacks that the school deems unworthy of their time. Public schools educate EVERYONE. It's no contest to decide which ones have more on their plates.
GrapplingIgnorance 6 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance - you are correct. it would never be a fair comparison between public and private schools. Private schools don't have to cater to everyone like a public school does. It's a ridiculous comparison. There are many good public schools - as many as there are bad. I went to a private school and I went to good and "bad" (which really it was the population) public schools. Each one has it's plusses and minuses and a credit all three with helping me learn about life.
Amidat 6 months ago
@nickitheninja5 They do educate everyone but how come a school in D.C needs $28k to educate a student when I go to a private school that only costs $13k a year to send me to. Is it really $15,000 more just because of special needs kids?
nickitheninja5 6 months ago
there is absolutely NO incentive for govt to help u. there is every bit of incentive for it to hurt you in every single way & regulate your life- govt is where all the tyrants live
swu880 9 months ago
It merely comes down to this: for every dollar recieved by the supposed beneficiary, how much does it cost the system & how long does it take?
A private charity has over 80-90% turnover efficiency. govt welfare? it costs at LEAST $5 for every $1 received. Moreover, that money recieved through govt welfare costs a ton of time, hassle & it often times doesn't even go to the right people- just look @ katrina. Who helped more people? fema or the local charity?
swu880 9 months ago
How much does it cost to learn how to add, multiply & divide? well if your in the so called 'public education', then it cost typically almost a million a classroom just to educate them from birth to when they learn to add in the public school. private? well u teach the kid urself- cost like nothing! thats why private charities are a trillion times more efficient!
swu880 9 months ago
Fact is that all the public schools cost millions of times more than any private/VOLUNTARY education would ever cost. Government currently is all about increasing externalities- seperating internal costs from the internal benefit. The voluntary sector is about making cost & benefit coherent- associating the costs & the benefit of every individual transaction as closely as possible and thus we see the increased efficiency & lower prices!
swu880 9 months ago
"Where are all the angels that can run society for us?"
swu880 9 months ago
/watch?v=LO2eh6f5Go0&feature=related
swu880 9 months ago
Also read Leonard Read's "I pencil"
lolol socialism will always inevitably fail! it is self contradictory & self destructive
For you to say you know even half as much as the parents of another's child is to be arrogant even more so than all the kings of history!
swu880 9 months ago
I suggest u at least study economics and read hayek's "Human Action" and "Road to Serfdom" as well as the works of Mises, Rothbard, Frederich Bastiat & david riccardo before u even have the audacity to talk of any public policy or economics!
swu880 9 months ago
It is both minute & yet overwhelmingly massive at the same time! minute in the sense that no person has more than a minute amount of it. Yet it remains overwhelmingly massive in that it is impossible for any person to have even the slightest inkling of its size!
swu880 9 months ago
If I have learned anything about corporate funded right wing think tanks it's that they have a habit of peddling privatization ideas simply as a way to funnel taxpayer money into their wallets. You want to prove private schools are better? Take 100 kids with bad grades and fork over the case yourselves to send them to private school instead of paying people to make youtube videos and invent untested policy ideas. That's all you have to do to make your case. Everything else is irrelevant.
smpunditz 9 months ago
@smpunditz
why don't you???!!!! instead of STEALING money from parents & families through taxes and forcing families to pay double or even quadruple in some cases for a lousy education, give that money all of it back to the parents and families, give the school districts a middle finger & tell them to compete for students properly as any other business has to in order to survive. aka restore accountability!
swu880 9 months ago
@swu880
I highly doubt you even know the basics of economics
swu880 9 months ago
@swu880 because I am not stupid enough to believe that if we stopped funding education that parents will be responsible enough to send their children to school on their own accord. Because I know the illiteracy rate will increase dramatically and the economy will tank. Because I'm not a dumbass ideologue who wants to run our society on the basis of axioms, assumptions and corporate funded propaganda but on practical real world solutions that have been shown to work.
smpunditz 9 months ago
@smpunditz
hahahah That is called freedom. Freedom is self responsibility. Self responsibility is freedom! being able to bear both the fruits & consequences is the essence of decision making
Moreover, what makes you assume that there even exists some 'know it all' regulator who can determine the "best-est" choice for each and every person? lolol That is called tyranny! That is ARROGANCE! Hayek & mises wrote about this. Knowledge is very dispersive & very minute
swu880 9 months ago
@swu880 "Moreover, what makes you assume that there even exists some 'know it all'"
Never made such a claim. In fact I never said anything about government regulation at all. That's another issue.
Your response demonstrates your short sidedness quite well. But if you really wanted to be as free as you claim you do you would live by yourself in the middle of nowhere away from society where no one would tax you cent. Clearly freedom is not the only thing you seek in life.
smpunditz 9 months ago
That cato paper is full of double counting of costs.
thecomputergurukid 10 months ago
@thecomputergurukid giive me an example
ned262626 9 months ago
@ned262626 It counts both the cost of debt service and capital costs as "educational expenditure paid with taxpayer dollars" but capital costs are paid by issuing bonds, not taxpayer dollars, which are then paid for by debt payments. Double counting.
thecomputergurukid 9 months ago
Teachers arent babysitters.
MrJohnnyrace 10 months ago
I have no doubt that many public schools are inefficiently run, and through several channels the status quot will be upheld by those in authoritative positions in some sense or another, whether it be in schools (public or private), churches, community groups, and many political organizations, there will always be those who oppose it. I'm a public school teacher and I always encourage my students to think for themselves and question everything. This is my most cherished belief: individuality.
MrAdamconrad23 10 months ago
why dont they video tape the classes from a teacher giving a lesson then post it online?
lvll138inrs 10 months ago
If schools are privatized the model will be the top 1% receives their million dollar bonuses of the public money to finance their dead asses. Wait till corporations take over. !!!! A dream to some a nightmare to the people!!
azothdaco 10 months ago
This is bad. & things far worse are happening. Search for this:
GOOGLE: CAJeffO index
SEE: Pages1, 2, 3, 8 & 9
ALSO SEE ISSUES: 1, 2 & 20
CaJeffO 10 months ago
@redblue18700 I am not a libertarian but from what I understand, they feel that the Federal Government should have no authority over state affairs. They view that medical care and education are state affairs and that the federal government has interefered in states' rights too much. They feel that each state should decide it's own curriculum--not the NEA and the teachers' unions. As far as their feelings on union control over education, I'm not sure on that. They'll need to respond to you.
gooangel2 10 months ago
Are these cost total for K-12?
Mezey5 10 months ago
@UBSCARED excuse me? private schools are given tax money?
not that this guy has ever seen
ned262626 10 months ago
read: Losing the Brains Race
NEA Lesson Plan: Teach Kids To A) Vote for Democrats; B) Masturbate
Teachers union promotes Alinsky radicals guide to revolution
usactionnewsdotcom 10 months ago
@UBSCARED Tax dollars do not and cannot go to private schools. It is forbidden by law. CHARTER schools are another story.
gooangel2 10 months ago
@gooangel2 the supreme court has ruled consistently that vouchers are legal. vouchers do not go to schools , they go to parents. the parents can spend it on whatever they want.
its like the military paying a soldier his salary. then the soldier uses the money he was given by the government to buy a bible. same thing.
ned262626 10 months ago
@ned262626 I wasn't referring to vouchers. That would be the same principle Belgium schools operate on in a sense. They assign X amount of tax dollars to each child at birth and the parents can choose public or private schools. It creates competition. I have no problem with that because it is the parents making the decision and not union backed institutions. Tax dollars cannot go directly to the private schools and that has been ruled unconstitutional. I have no problem with what you pose.
gooangel2 10 months ago
@gooangel2 yes, i am also for vouchers, i am against government giving straight to private schools as you say. i guess we agree.
ned262626 10 months ago
I was asked about the "opportunity" kids have on these computers. They need to learn the skills manually before ever touching a computer. Unless a first grader is learning C++ I see no need to have any in the classrooms before 9th or 10th grade. Putting elementary and middle school students on these--with the exception of GT or special needs is stupidity. Our literacy rates have dropped in 20 years, not increased. Time to go back to the old ways a bit and use pen and paper.
gooangel2 10 months ago
Do libertarians believe that tax dollars should go to education at all? Don't they believe that poor parents will just have to educate their kids on their own? Do they believe that children have a right to tax dollars for education? I'm not sure they do.
redblue18700 10 months ago
@redblue18700 That's a very small fringe. Of course if making a "bad guy" allows you to hold your death grip on the "teachers unions are awesome" platform, be my guest.
I, on the other hand, would like to know my tax dollars are going to funding good, cost-efficient education.
jrsub3 10 months ago
I went to public schools - They are shit holes mostly...few are decent enough to even be called schools...
I found passion for learning outside of high school...did what I had to do and graduated....but high school mostly Imprisons the student mind and potential for 4 years until graduation...then reality is the true test and sets in motion
your true passions and ability's ...
The Truth is man can teach himself
I am a student for life...always learning..and they don't even teach that in school
DamnYourReallyUgly 11 months ago
Private schools are by far cheaper. We should be able to use our tax dollars as a credit to send our kids to private schools. Create some competition to boost public schools.
quizerry 11 months ago
@Pernic10us Computers are a luxury. It is fact that literacy rates were higher even in the 70's and 80's than now. We didn't have computers then. We learned to do all on paper prior to getting any luxurious perks in high school--which meant free time when we did well. No child should see a computer until at least 10th grade and it should be used for research purposes. Unless learning C++ there isn't a reason to have them until high school. Parents then caved to pressure sales to own one.
gooangel2 11 months ago
I'd like to see CATO talk about tax breaks for oil & gas companies that skew prices at the pump.
redblue18700 11 months ago
@redblue18700 What really causes gas prices to go crazy...is the futures market, hedge funds and leverage....it really has nothing to do with LOL- any propaganda of crude shortage.
DamnYourReallyUgly 11 months ago
@DamnYourReallyUgly
My point is that, perhaps, there are certian tax breaks for oil companies, processing, drilling, etc... that make gas prices too low, subsidies of a sort. At what point do tax breaks = subsidies? What is the baseline? If certain gas company tax breaks were removed gas might double in cost, thus reflecting the "true" cost of gas. This higher gas price would force consumers to choose alternative means of energy. Again, I have no idea what the details are.
redblue18700 10 months ago
@redblue18700 Well lets see for a "Tax break" means to not pay a tax.
A subsidy is Tax payer money freebie to a corporation.
There is a big difference.
The truth is without a free market currency ...the market value is left up to futures market hedge funding.
With a true currency and free market -->that would provide True regulation of that market.
Futures markets options, etc are having a field day at consumers expense...and government integrity.
DamnYourReallyUgly 10 months ago
The thing they don't mention is that private schools hand pick their students public schools do not. Which case what's the bench mark of a good school? Average Grades? Fix the problem allow public schools to hand pick their students you'll see performance numbers that rival the best Private schools overnight.
U20E27 1 year ago
@U20E27 Yes this is true, private schools and colloquial schools have TOTAL control over what students they wish to keep enrolled. So if there is a student that is off in any way, they can BOOT the kid. This is UNHEARD of in the public schools. Those of us that are teachers or administrators know it.
So don't trust those "test scores" folks. The private schools get only the TOP students. Private schools are FORCED to keep every child.
capoman1 11 months ago
School districts don't need to be spending $ on laptiops and IPads for pupils and it is happening. No student should see a computer until 10th grade or higher and to hell with public pressure for everyone to have a PC/Internet as if it is some kind of entitlement! I'm sick of my dime paying fo this crap and software designed to help them to "learn" skills when that is a teacher's job. IF they can't do it on paper, step-by-step, they sure don't need a luxury item to do it for them.
gooangel2 1 year ago
@gooangel2
How can the teachers "learn" the students, of they don't have the tools to do it? I don't know how old you are, but I would be willing to bet that you have seen a considerable change in the workplace because of the use of computers!
Your tax dollars will be paying for it now, and their tax dollars are going to be paying for your Social Security then. Don't you want them to have every opportunity available to them?
Pernic10us 11 months ago
@Pernic10us computers in the workplace are one thing. Computers in classrooms are another. Unless a first grader is learning C++, there is no need for a first grader to be on one--period. It is a luxury--not a necessity. Literacy rates have dropped in the past 20 years. It's time to go back to having them learn skills manually before introducing them to a computer. Having them in the classroom is not an opportunity for them at younger ages--it's a distraction from real learning.
gooangel2 10 months ago
This is a joke, we need to look deeper. This a biased representation. This has left the viewers with the impression that every public school student has $28,000 spent on him. That is certainly not true. But if some of these extra costs are incurred through building expenses, what, are they CONSTANTLY tearing down existing buildings and building new ones? That is absurd.
And to the man that said that 50% of public school graduates CAN'T READ, you can't be serious, please enlighten me.
capoman1 1 year ago
@capoman1 If you watch the video again you will see that it clearly states that it is the District of Columbia that spends $28,000 pewr pupil.
keysmann1 11 months ago
@keysmann1 I saw the information in THIS video, that is not an objective representation of what the typical student has spent on him throughout the year.
And the reason that I was saying this seemed biased is because they took the HIGHEST figure that they could find, $28,000, and represented it as TYPICAL spending; that is biased.
If I asked you "how much money do you make?" And you find the LARGEST check that you EVER received, that is not a TRUE evaluation of your earnings; it's biased.
capoman1 11 months ago
HOME SCHOOL YOUR KIDS...I know people have time in this shit hole economy.
Teach them right and well while you have the time, or IF you have the time.
DamnYourReallyUgly 1 year ago
@DamnYourReallyUgly
Homeschooling isn't necessary. Parents just need to take the time to get involved with the school. If there is something that they would like to see done differently, get in and make some suggestions. You hear a lot of people complaining, but see very little action. If you were to compare the top performing schools, public or private, to the lesser, you would see a considerable contrast in parent involvement in the students' education.
Pernic10us 11 months ago
@Pernic10us I is not easy to make change to the Department of Education...as that is were the changes must take place...
You can't just go to your local school and have a Parent Teacher conference...and expect changes to happen.
Public Schools only follow orders and curriculum from politicians.
BY THE WAY- HOME SCHOOLING is shown to have The Highest percentage of results over that of public.
Though homeschooling is a small percentage...it outweighs any results of that of Public complex.
DamnYourReallyUgly 11 months ago
@DamnYourReallyUgly
You're right. Home schooling may have it's advantages. But it is an option very few families can afford. We should be focusing on a viable solution for everyone. We as a society need to improve general education.
Pernic10us 11 months ago
@DamnYourReallyUgly
I am not saying that the current situation is ideal.
I do know however, that time and effort can be spent in the school by the parent, and the result of this is good. My kids are among the top performers in their classes, and have taken up, and excelled in extra-curricular activities. They far more competent than I was at their age, and it is mostly because I have spent the time and attention encouraging this. That is all it takes.
Pernic10us 11 months ago
@Pernic10us It is not up to individuals to decide if "homeschooling is necessary" or not. It is up to the parents. Many teach their children at home because the schools ignored them when they felt that their childrens' needs were ignored by administrators and/or teachers at the particular school. As for the top performing public schools, not every parent can send their kids to those schools without relocating to that district.
gooangel2 10 months ago
Home schooling saves even more money and BS.
DamnYourReallyUgly 1 year ago
There are a couple of interesting videos on the BuySomeBrains channel. He suggests putting a lot of what is done in schools, online. He calls teachers, performance artists protecting their interests! What do others make of his idea to break the current system and save costs?
dalriada842 1 year ago
the biggest failure in education..... parents
BadgerVidder 1 year ago 21
@BadgerVidder wrong. black kids who go to catholic schools are twice as likely t o graduate from college thatn if they go to public schools
ned262626 9 months ago
In order to phase out public schools, it is necessary to establish low tuition private schools. The private schools would need a source of income other than tuition. One possibility is corporate sponsorship. How to get them to sponsor schools for a reason other than charity is the hard part. Schools would have to be a kind of advertising platform, which I have no problem with.
nrkgalt 1 year ago
@nrkgalt
I think abolishing the cartels would go a long ways towards making education cheaper. New teachers could undercut the established ones by accepting sub-monopoly employment conditions, and new schools could undercut the old ones by cutting down on the expensive status symbols, discovering a more rational method for selecting qualified teachers than the current licensing requirements and by trimming down their curriculae to more precisely fit the specific needs of their students.
PanzerDivisionBOM 1 year ago
if you hate your child send them to public education. that would be the only reason to send them there.Item #10 of the communist manifesto will tell you the same.
shgibby61981 1 year ago
This is crazy. That is more than what we are paying for our son's college education at a major university. Too many big wigs in public education are getting paid way too much. Our buildings are way too fancy, and it is our children that are paying the price. Too bad we didn't get these amounts per year when we opted to home educate. Yes, home education works, he's been on the Dean's List all semesters, and will graduate at the end of this school year.
MeyerG4Indiana 1 year ago
@MeyerG4Indiana its not only that they are getting paid too much. Its that you are paying for your son to be brain fucked. He'll end up a libtard with a piece of paper saying he's smart when he is actually retarted. hahahahah
shgibby61981 1 year ago
@MeyerG4Indiana It's the fact that teacher unions are asking for big raises that they don't deserve.
jshjamaar 1 year ago
go cato
MirageScience 1 year ago
Why is the Government always involved in Lies. Government is so disreputable; it is evil. We really need to limit evil and not advance it, not give into it, no subsidize it. This is ugly. LA spends how much? LA spends that for kids who can barely even speak a proper sentence. It is not the teachers and it is not the money, it is the culture and Government supports this kind of culture because it itself is flawed and ugly.
qncsc 1 year ago
@catoinstitutevideo Why did you lead with Houston and not LA? LA was big news this month, opening a building at a cost of 580m (and what was not reported was the several other multiple-100 dollar building opened recently). LA has horrible performance in every metric, re learning and achievement.
qncsc 1 year ago
This guy is just arguing the definition of "per-pupil spending."
dskeans 1 year ago
@dskeans So? He's talking about the "real" cost of education, not what the schools want you to believe. The point is the school lie about how much they spend per pupil by conveniently leaving out a few things.
miazagora 1 year ago
@miazagora Thank you for your comments. More people need to speak up about how unequal and unethical public schooling is. If we want to have a free country, the most important step we need to take is to eliminate all public funding if schools. Our schools are no longer teaching about freedom; they teach socialism, just like the former USSR.
runr100 1 year ago
good luck changing this... the teachers union is the MOST powerful organization in this country they will vote your ass out if they think you are gonna cut the fat out of their comfy govt job. There are more teachers than anything in this country and they decide who gets in and who doesnt. great video though!
Crustydraw 1 year ago
No gov't agency accurately reports its budget. That's part of the political game.
typodaemon 1 year ago
@typodaemon That doesn't make it right.
miazagora 1 year ago
I would support school choice but I do not want to see my tax dollars go to sectarian schools. If vouchers were only allowed for secular schools I would support it.
Ramshobraja 1 year ago
@Ramshobraja So, you would rather children languish in awful public schools rather than get a good education in a "sectarian" school - no matter what it costs taxpayers. It's this type of thinking that has gotten us where we are today.
miazagora 1 year ago
@miazagora Taxpayer dollars funding religious institutions is unconstitutional. Second, we don't need sectarian schools which discriminate against students. If you fund one sectarian school, you have to fund them all.
Ramshobraja 1 year ago
@Ramshobraja The federal government shouldn't be funding ANY schools. Dismantle the DOE and sue them for malpractice.
miazagora 1 year ago
@Ramshobraja Belgium (not exactly a leader of socially conservative thought) allows kids to go to whatever school they want on the voucher system, Catholic/Islam/Protestant/etc included.
It isn't an endorsement of a religion if they allow kids to have the same chance to attend any religious institution. Also, I'm sick of liberals who scare people into thinking Catholic schools are indoctrination centers. Went to one for grammar, I can assure you they are not (and I had a better elem. ed, too).
jrsub3 10 months ago
the system doesn't exist for economic reasons
it exists for moral reasons
if you want to convince anyone, you have to start fighting the brother's keeper morality that dominates the USA, else no change will occur
Radeo 1 year ago
Protect your public education against attacks by private interests lest you get a situation like Australia's; where rich private religious schools have received MORE public funding then secular public schools; which are then attacked for being inadequate and used to argue public edu per se is a waste. The very damaged caused by money stolen from public schools is used to argue still more should be taken and gifted to the private schools. It is a recipe for inequity and injustice.
Tuathalful 1 year ago
@Tuathalful Want equality? Privatize ALL education - no taxpayer money for any schools - even colleges. Let schools compete for students and let students be free of "districts".
miazagora 1 year ago
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Tuathalful 1 year ago
Is this an attack on the principle of public education? It claims state schools don't want you to know where they spend, but in my experience the same is true of private schools, esp. private schools that receive government funding. Both public and private use selected spending in promotion, but that's not transparency. Is the solution to people thinking it is morally ok to rip off the government, getting rid of government? Shall we return to the problems of society without public education?
Tuathalful 1 year ago
@Tuathalful
" Shall we return to the problems of society without public education? "
When 87% were functionally literate, basic education could be had for as little as cost 40 dollars per year (1990 dollars) , where the last of the Mahicans was a best seller a book which very few people can read. Where in a population of 6 million, nearly 3 million copies of Thomas Paine "Common Sense" were sold. The gap between rich and poor has increased sense the founding of public schooling.
WorBlux 1 year ago 2
*Mohicans.. few can read today.
*increased since
Even when funding is public but attached per student as per some European nations there are significant improvements in performance.
WorBlux 1 year ago
@Tuathalful What "problems" did public education solve? (NONE) Private schools - especially those that receive vouchers from our "benevolent" government, are kept to a MUCH higher standard than public schools. That's because they don't have teacher's unions involved. It's CRAZY to spend this much per pupil per year, when we could send every child in America to private school for LESS money and not have the headaches of unions and beaurocrats and special interests running education.
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The333rd 1 year ago
Public education is simply an imposed form of ignorance. The books are written by big corporations who censor true history, math and sciences are oversimplified, subsidies are granted for drugging the children with ADD meds, subsidies are granted for monstrous surveillance apparatuses, kids migrate from one indoctrination room to the next stripped of their critical thought, will to learn, will to ask questions, and regular interests. This is why kids are fucked up today. Simple shit folks.
Bodhidharma1986 1 year ago
We need to privatize all the schools.
ChucMungNamMoiAoDai 1 year ago 27
@ChucMungNamMoiAoDai what about the pooooooor????
MaikUniversum 1 year ago
@ChucMungNamMoiAoDai It would certainly save the taxpayers a lot of money - even if we paid for private school for every single child in America.
miazagora 1 year ago
@ChucMungNamMoiAoDai You do realize if public schools didn't exist then a high percentage of children won't be able to read and write, because private schools charge by the hour.
eathenicus 1 year ago
@eathenicus The cost of private education would come down because demand would go up. There would be scholarships provided by private industry that would fund schools. People would not be bound by "districts" and would have true choice and there would be competition, so the quality WOULD go up. Look at the graduation rates of pub. schls, especially in large cities - some are at less than 50%. The literacy rate was MUCH higher BEFORE public schools.
miazagora 1 year ago
@eathenicus You realize that 28% of "high school graduates" can't read and write anyway? Factor in the number of kids who don't graduate at all, and the number is probably more like 50% of all kids who currently attend government schools will never learn to read and write. And all at the cheap price of $28,000.
Let me ask you this: would you buy a car for $28,000 that doesn't run?
burleyed 1 year ago
@ChucMungNamMoiAoDai Do that and absolutely nobody who makes under 80,000 a year children will have an education.
jshjamaar 1 year ago
@jshjamaar
Right now, private schools are essentially relegated to a niché market for rich kids by the existence of a tax-funded alternative, and are hampered by state regulations, including regional monopolies called "districts", AND are subject to a monopsony on teaching, held by the teachers' union.
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PanzerDivisionBOM 1 year ago
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And they're STILL cheaper than public schools. Add to that the fact that, with those programs ended, people would get to keep a lot more of their money. Now, why do you think prices would go anywhere other than way, way down? Why would not a vibrant marketplace of education spring up, to facilitate every niché and price point?
PanzerDivisionBOM 1 year ago 2
@ChucMungNamMoiAoDai It's already privatize you moron. Monolopies.
jshjamaar 1 year ago
@ChucMungNamMoiAoDai
It would make it easier for the corporate sponsors to train our kids to be better consumers!
Pernic10us 11 months ago
Y'know... a lot of people claim that if you forced the public school system to emulate the private sector, all of its problems would magically disappear. What this fails to account for is the fact that nine out of ten private businesses fail within the first year of operation. If all fifty states privatized their public school systems, we would have five school systems left at the end of the year.
caffeinedelusions 1 year ago
@caffeinedelusions I think you misunderstand. The idea of free markets for schooling is not about converting a public institution over to a private: That would create a mess. There are two keys that I know of to encouraging private education over public education:
1. You need to encourage a free market where people have the choice of where to send their children to be educated.
2. The transition must be gradual so the markets can adjust.
michaelt27 1 year ago
@michaelt27 I don't misunderstand in the least. I disagree with the basic aim. Private education -shouldn't- be encouraged over public education.
Private Education conceals its shortcomings by only accepting successful students. This creates the illusion of superiority.
The unsuccessful students are dumped into the public school system, thus hampering its effectiveness. This creates the illusion of inferiority. The aim needs to be systemic improvement of the public system, not its abandonment.
caffeinedelusions 1 year ago
@caffeinedelusions
By "private schools", are you by any chance referring to the ones in the US? Because knowing on the one hand something of how heavily regulated these schools are, and on the other how they are at present relegated to a niche market by a combination of public schools and truency laws, I don't think that observing them can yield any meaningful insight into the particulars of a market-driven alternative.
PanzerDivisionBOM 1 year ago
@michaelt27 To clarify, when I speak of abandonment it is with the understanding that each student sent to a private school represents parents that is abandoning the public system when their involvement could support and improve it.
I grew up in education, I -know- how funding is set up.
What this comes down to is this; either you want a public school system that works, and want to improve it, or you don't want a public system. Private schools directly undermine the funding of public schools.
caffeinedelusions 1 year ago
@caffeinedelusions some private schools, I believe do only accept above average students, more frequently though the selection factor works nearly a reverse way: Students go to private school because parents feel that the students will do better there. Having been in both, I can be one voice supporting these parent's choice: The environment in the frugal private schools I was in was far better for learning and growing than their more costly public counterparts.
michaelt27 1 year ago
@caffeinedelusions I believe the solution lies not in abolishing the public system, but in de-monopolizing it. Where I live, everyone pays taxes to support the public system and those who send children to private school pay additional money to cover those costs. Seldom do parents volunteer in schools. The only big way then that sending children to private school is undermining p. s. is in less funding from the government.
I say let the school be accountable and merit the funding.
michaelt27 1 year ago
@caffeinedelusions Private schools do not undermine public schools. There is no proof that the "involvement" of private-schooled/home schooled kids would improve public schools. That's a myth and is unprovable. Just like "jobs saved or created".
miazagora 1 year ago
@caffeinedelusions Wow, that is the dumbest statement ever. Yes, 9 out of 10 restaurants fail, but nobody would argue that food is hard to come by.
tkwelge 1 year ago
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TedDGPoulos 1 year ago
And lets not forget the single, childless people that are getting taxed more and more via sin taxes to support public schools; At the very least, as a parent, the more you pay in at least has some value, even if its obscured.
If you are responsible and didn't have a child; Well, your out food stamps, government help, and you have to pay more on sin taxes...
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rufusangus22 1 year ago
While true, the information here is misleading. The next appropriate step would be to then divide that new per pupil spending number by the number of families paying it, then see which private schools your families contribution would get you into. Public education in America is a collective investment by society towards future generations, not merely later in the life of the current generation.
al3xthegr3at 1 year ago
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@al3xthegr3at
Public education in America is a collective investment by the government towards brainwashing of future generations with keynesian economics, statism and New World Order propaganda. What a great investment that is.
HubertPaetz 1 year ago
Well if you decided to go for a private school, you would still be paying property taxes for public schools anyways, so you might as well use the product.
Raptor302 1 year ago
This video leaves out what I think is by far the greatest cost of all: the souls and minds of the young.
Ever since the Prussian model was adopted, no significant progress has been made in the process of education. If anything, schools are worse now than they were a hundred years ago. A nation that could once absorb Locke can now barely read at all, and fully one third of all schoolchildren have to be kept drugged, so as not to constitute a physical danger to themselves or others.
PanzerDivisionBOM 1 year ago 53
@PanzerDivisionBOM That is because only the elits could send children to school back in the days.
ceezmad1 1 year ago
@ceezmad1
That is true, of course. "The Good Ol' Days" really weren't, unless you had the good fortune to be born a white male, instead of, say, one of the millions of natives who were killed during Columbus' lifetime.
So, is your argument that an abolition of state-sponsored and -enforced public schools and truency laws would cause more state-enforced genocide and slavery? Because I'd love to see the deduction on that.
PanzerDivisionBOM 1 year ago
@PanzerDivisionBOM "A nation that could once absorb Locke can now barely read at all," When "Captain Underpants" is on the Summer reading list for schools, you know we're in trouble!
miazagora 1 year ago 13
@PanzerDivisionBOM I come out today that I am victim.
jshjamaar 1 year ago
haha my city got called out!
soundmoneyfan 1 year ago
Mojo misses the point.......it's not so much the mind-boggling cost, but rather that they hide it.
niderbip 1 year ago
Why doesn't this mention the hideous influence of Rockefeller's NEA (Natl Edu Assoc) ?
33rdPatriot 1 year ago
Well-done video. Short and to the point, easy to understand. (Visual representation of the numbers is easier to digest than those in the paper.)
ShiroiHyou 1 year ago