It's like the interview I saw on a program with an old man who was a member of the SS Einsatzgruppen. It was known that he had murdered jewish men, women, and children in a series of massacres, and he was sent to a Soviet labor camp for it. When asked what he did, he doesn't deny it. But does he think it was wrong? He says, "It was the war. I was fighting a war." He refused to believe he had committed murder. Riefenstahl is no different.
A brilliant cinematographer who invented film techniques that are still used to this day. The entire film shows her ability as a true movie maker. A few years before she passed away she did a film about the making of Triumph of Will. If you can open your hearts enough to watch it u will realize her life was all about making movies.
@ThisBoyTV And you will also learn a lot about the Nazi mind. As much as people want to praise the technical talents of Riefenstahl, it cannot be denied that she was a nazi and moved in the same circles and Gobbels. Try as she might to dismiss her past, she has never faced up to it honestly. Anyone to praises her has been duped by this nazi.
@ThisBoyTV Then prove that Riefenstahl was ever honest about her nazi past? You would forgive someone who, by her film work, motivated the deaths of millions? You are a dupe, retarded, and no better than a nazi. If the jackboot fits, wear it!
@ThisBoyTV Watch "Triumph of the Will"? Do you like nazi propaganda? Are you a little nazi pig? Scumbags like you must be exposed and taught a fearsome lesson about the nazis and their atrocities.
@omgcrayonz No! Germans who lived at that time knew their society was becoming increasingly racist, and such propaganda was the stock and trade of the nazis. Nazis played to Germans' fears and hatred of jews and produced media to stoke those sentiments. While Germans may or may not have known about the death camps, they knew that jews and other undesirables were being rounded up and taken away. They knew of the so-called "Blood Laws" and what they entailed. To say Germans did not know is a lie!
She may have looked "veddy gud" but what was under that facade was highly questionable. Personally I think when she did discover the full horrors of the regime she had supported, she suppressed them within her own mind to the extent that she was unable to countenence them even to herself. I might well be wrong there though. Very difficult to read her as anything other than a very driven woman.
@spitfireJEJ Typical of someone who was never held responsible for what she did. While her work has been praised on a technical level, it's still nazi propaganda. She had one role in the regime: to promote the leadership of Adolf Hitler and the Germanic Aryan ideal. On that level, everything she does is shit and must be denounced as such. To praise her work reveals that one is a dupe.
She would have done it all over again, if she had been given the chance. Not a singel word of regret for the nazi victims. Not a single word of remourse. Not a single word.... she keeps all the pity for herself, this selffish person.
"Everyone was in on it" - perhaps, but only the mediocrities - Thomas Mann and countless others fled immediately in 1933 because any intelligent person knew where things were going - and Riefenstahl was nothing if not intelligent. She knew exactly what she was doing.
God what an awful person - an evil face, and evil soul. "with indescribable joy, deeply moved and filled with burning gratitude, we share with you, my Fuehrer, your and Germany's greatest victory, the entry of German troops into Paris. You exceed anything the human imagination has power to conceive.." - direct quote from this arch-narcissist, proto-Fascist, opportunistic whore. The eyes are dead, the soul an empty pit, the words a torrent of self-justification.
It isn't that she produced propaganda - much art is; it is that the system she cheered for was eradicated (not only defeated), tinged as "evil". As the fellow up there says, Prokofiev cheered on Stalin, a political leader who holds the world record in the sphere of mass extermination.
Just saying. A woman has comed that far in western democracies. Dont even want to know what the situation would be like in the world if the natzies had won.
Odilo Globocnik was slovenian nazi serving in the SS however im not nazi nor neonazi i find all crimes and war disgusting and i hate all hate wankers here who are unable to see human tragedy of war more than 60 years on. BEside that i wont take preaching for Uk who is known for world wide crimes past and present and nowdays crown has clean name :D beside that u betrayed POLAND and chezchoslovakia in ww2 poles spiled blood for you but they couldnt eeven participate in victory parade
Same is hapening now in iraq i hold Yanks personal responsible for sectarion violence becouse they attacked peacefull country upon false clues. Now Sadam Hussein wasnt bad man he ruled with firm hand and during his rule Iraq flurished. It had best doctors, schools , universities in whole middle east. When Yanks came they broke the balance in country and killed some 100 000 people initialy, now everyones killing ecother .Iraq is on the way to hell yet another country ruined by filty yanks!
You are guilty as every other self-serving American who looked away. When usa attacked and slaughtered phew milions of koreans phew milions of vietnamese paradox to whole this preaching how bad nazis were is event that took place 16 of march 1968 masacre in MY LAI. After Americans slaughtered everyone which ofcorse included raping of underage children and women before slaightering. The superior was cleaned of all charges cause american public wanted so this proves all americans are bad apples
I don't know what makes you think you know me, but you forgot that the Iraq and Vietnam wars are famous for causing huge protests among the American people, so obviously you didn't "prove all americans are bad apples". Those who did look away were just as bad as complacent Germans, though, in my opinion.
Also, I didn't mean that ALL Germans looked away, there were plenty that risked their life to stop the Nazis or fled the country, but obviously Riefenstahl wasn't one of them.
You do know that pretty much every classical musician/artist had a patron... who was usually a warlord, right? Art has been utilized as propaganda for centuries. Beethoven, and Mozart wrote pieces for the Holy Roman Emperors, and da Vinci designed war machines for Italian tyrants... Sergei Prokofiev never seems to get a bad rap, even though he scored propaganda films for Stalin (who murdered more people than Hitler). Back in the day you couldn't even be an artist, without a warlord-patron.
But then again, you wouldnt make this comment in the first place, wouldnt you? I bet that this "ftworthxxx" cant speak 4 languages as you. And mainly, it was him I made the comment to...
Artists who pretend that their work exists in a void, free of connection to social reality and is consequence-free, is truly a "useful idiot" in the classic sense. Somehow Arendt and Einstein knew something was horribly wrong with the Nazis, even before the atrocities became clear.
Riefenstahl's ignorance was her own failing, and just like with Martin Heidegger, "art" does not excuse an individual's total lack of judgment. She is as guilty as every other self-serving German who looked away.
Art is free if in america every social minority can trooop and protest around and is given rights which is all acording to fredom of speech which is basic right of democracy why shouldnt this woman "or anyone basicly " film this films all art is free for interpretation one could understand it as nazi propaganda someone else just as visualy stunting film then again someone just as mirror of history without any special meaning
Without Riefenstahl, we would not be able to watch the true story of Third Reich Nazi Party. Those movies such as Triumph of the Will presented documentary to us.
Yes, and Toby Keith provided us all an invaluable look at Middle America's boorish psyche after the Sept. 11 attacks. Toby Keith is still lame, though.
@jobharrison oh stop with "middle america's boorish psyche." I know they "cling to their guns and bibles." So damn tiresome and how arrogant. Most of middle america are "good people" who try to do right and raise their kids in an environment filled with the sanctimomious yet corrupt world the elite media propagates. Middle America is the driving force for most of the good in this world.
Definitely a genius! Recognized by her win at the Cannes Film Festival. The only people who opposed her and worked relentlessly to have her boycotted and ruined after the war, were the scumbag Zionists.... just like they do with anyone who differs with their world view! What a great lady. No, I am not a neo-Nazi, nor a sympathiser.... Nazism was an evil religious cult, in the final analysis. Neo's today are idiots whom Hitler would have exterminated! All power to Jesus the Christ of G_d.
she shouldn't be renowned, she should have been executed. They try prison guards who were making a living and forced to work and this woman was very enthusiastic about the nazis. She simply had lots of money and lots of free labor. That is not talent
You say that because you are a radical blind idiot. The same way, a right-wing guy who dont appreciate cinematographic works like The Battleship Potemkin or Soy Cuba is a radical blind idiot too.
Yes, we should carefully observe and analyze Riefenstahl's works for their historical value, but as someone who made the following comment about Mein Kampf:
"The book made a tremendous impression on me. I became a confirmed National Socialist after reading the first page. I felt a man who could write such a book would undoubtedly lead Germany. I felt very happy that such a man had come."
...we should remember that our responsibility to the reality around us comes before any notions of art.
It's like the interview I saw on a program with an old man who was a member of the SS Einsatzgruppen. It was known that he had murdered jewish men, women, and children in a series of massacres, and he was sent to a Soviet labor camp for it. When asked what he did, he doesn't deny it. But does he think it was wrong? He says, "It was the war. I was fighting a war." He refused to believe he had committed murder. Riefenstahl is no different.
bearmare 1 year ago
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All who praise Riefenstahl, praise a nazi. There is no denying it.
bearmare 1 year ago
All who Riefenstahl, praise a nazi. There is no denying it.
bearmare 1 year ago
A brilliant cinematographer who invented film techniques that are still used to this day. The entire film shows her ability as a true movie maker. A few years before she passed away she did a film about the making of Triumph of Will. If you can open your hearts enough to watch it u will realize her life was all about making movies.
ThisBoyTV 1 year ago
@ThisBoyTV And you will also learn a lot about the Nazi mind. As much as people want to praise the technical talents of Riefenstahl, it cannot be denied that she was a nazi and moved in the same circles and Gobbels. Try as she might to dismiss her past, she has never faced up to it honestly. Anyone to praises her has been duped by this nazi.
bearmare 1 year ago
@bearmare
You definitely retarded
ThisBoyTV 1 year ago
@ThisBoyTV Then prove that Riefenstahl was ever honest about her nazi past? You would forgive someone who, by her film work, motivated the deaths of millions? You are a dupe, retarded, and no better than a nazi. If the jackboot fits, wear it!
bearmare 1 year ago
@ThisBoyTV Watch "Triumph of the Will"? Do you like nazi propaganda? Are you a little nazi pig? Scumbags like you must be exposed and taught a fearsome lesson about the nazis and their atrocities.
bearmare 1 year ago
You people need to realize that most normal German citizens had NO IDEA about the final question of exterminating the Jews.
omgcrayonz 2 years ago
@omgcrayonz No! Germans who lived at that time knew their society was becoming increasingly racist, and such propaganda was the stock and trade of the nazis. Nazis played to Germans' fears and hatred of jews and produced media to stoke those sentiments. While Germans may or may not have known about the death camps, they knew that jews and other undesirables were being rounded up and taken away. They knew of the so-called "Blood Laws" and what they entailed. To say Germans did not know is a lie!
bearmare 1 year ago
I sink she luks veddy gud for 63 years of age here.
Very artistic filming for the interview.
ToolsnFire 2 years ago
She may have looked "veddy gud" but what was under that facade was highly questionable. Personally I think when she did discover the full horrors of the regime she had supported, she suppressed them within her own mind to the extent that she was unable to countenence them even to herself. I might well be wrong there though. Very difficult to read her as anything other than a very driven woman.
spitfireJEJ 2 years ago
@spitfireJEJ Typical of someone who was never held responsible for what she did. While her work has been praised on a technical level, it's still nazi propaganda. She had one role in the regime: to promote the leadership of Adolf Hitler and the Germanic Aryan ideal. On that level, everything she does is shit and must be denounced as such. To praise her work reveals that one is a dupe.
bearmare 1 year ago
She would have done it all over again, if she had been given the chance. Not a singel word of regret for the nazi victims. Not a single word of remourse. Not a single word.... she keeps all the pity for herself, this selffish person.
ricke1966 2 years ago
im not sure if she was a selfish and cruel person
there is a picture of leni riefenstahl in poland where she cries because for the first time she sees jewish people beeing punished by the nazis
and by the way she spent a lot of money for children in africa in the 80s
ffm20zaheri 2 years ago
Hitlers Nute.
ocandy01 2 years ago
"Everyone was in on it" - perhaps, but only the mediocrities - Thomas Mann and countless others fled immediately in 1933 because any intelligent person knew where things were going - and Riefenstahl was nothing if not intelligent. She knew exactly what she was doing.
antimatterXXXIII 2 years ago
God what an awful person - an evil face, and evil soul. "with indescribable joy, deeply moved and filled with burning gratitude, we share with you, my Fuehrer, your and Germany's greatest victory, the entry of German troops into Paris. You exceed anything the human imagination has power to conceive.." - direct quote from this arch-narcissist, proto-Fascist, opportunistic whore. The eyes are dead, the soul an empty pit, the words a torrent of self-justification.
antimatterXXXIII 2 years ago
Tough Movies! Great Movies! Great Artist!
ex1le444 2 years ago
her response: You mean after the war? (Yes) I think we have lost the war, that is the question, No?
lefekir 2 years ago
@lefekir yeah! dam it, & I made all those great movies too! How the Hell did we lose?
ex1le444 2 years ago
It isn't that she produced propaganda - much art is; it is that the system she cheered for was eradicated (not only defeated), tinged as "evil". As the fellow up there says, Prokofiev cheered on Stalin, a political leader who holds the world record in the sphere of mass extermination.
lefekir 2 years ago
dirty whore!
fulgenciomartinez 2 years ago
Watch your mouth. She is a legend.
shasha1873 2 years ago
In film-arts, maybe. But her views and her lies are fucked up.
haljup 2 years ago
Nazi views are not as bad as you think. A woman like this never came this far under Western Democracies.
shasha1873 2 years ago
Western democracies? do you mean the kind of Western democracies that is in Germany today? With Angela Merkel as the Prime minister...
haljup 2 years ago
I am talking about 60 years ago.
shasha1873 2 years ago
Just saying. A woman has comed that far in western democracies. Dont even want to know what the situation would be like in the world if the natzies had won.
haljup 2 years ago
your right. she was gassed.
MrJimmyboy1972 2 years ago
Like Margaret Thatcher for instance? Angela Merkel? and the USA's next president, Hilary Clinton?
spitfireJEJ 2 years ago
Odilo Globocnik was slovenian nazi serving in the SS however im not nazi nor neonazi i find all crimes and war disgusting and i hate all hate wankers here who are unable to see human tragedy of war more than 60 years on. BEside that i wont take preaching for Uk who is known for world wide crimes past and present and nowdays crown has clean name :D beside that u betrayed POLAND and chezchoslovakia in ww2 poles spiled blood for you but they couldnt eeven participate in victory parade
odiloglobocnik 2 years ago
Same is hapening now in iraq i hold Yanks personal responsible for sectarion violence becouse they attacked peacefull country upon false clues. Now Sadam Hussein wasnt bad man he ruled with firm hand and during his rule Iraq flurished. It had best doctors, schools , universities in whole middle east. When Yanks came they broke the balance in country and killed some 100 000 people initialy, now everyones killing ecother .Iraq is on the way to hell yet another country ruined by filty yanks!
odiloglobocnik 2 years ago
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Your English is awful!!
ftworthxxx 2 years ago
You are guilty as every other self-serving American who looked away. When usa attacked and slaughtered phew milions of koreans phew milions of vietnamese paradox to whole this preaching how bad nazis were is event that took place 16 of march 1968 masacre in MY LAI. After Americans slaughtered everyone which ofcorse included raping of underage children and women before slaightering. The superior was cleaned of all charges cause american public wanted so this proves all americans are bad apples
odiloglobocnik 2 years ago
I don't know what makes you think you know me, but you forgot that the Iraq and Vietnam wars are famous for causing huge protests among the American people, so obviously you didn't "prove all americans are bad apples". Those who did look away were just as bad as complacent Germans, though, in my opinion.
Also, I didn't mean that ALL Germans looked away, there were plenty that risked their life to stop the Nazis or fled the country, but obviously Riefenstahl wasn't one of them.
jobharrison 2 years ago
You do know that pretty much every classical musician/artist had a patron... who was usually a warlord, right? Art has been utilized as propaganda for centuries. Beethoven, and Mozart wrote pieces for the Holy Roman Emperors, and da Vinci designed war machines for Italian tyrants... Sergei Prokofiev never seems to get a bad rap, even though he scored propaganda films for Stalin (who murdered more people than Hitler). Back in the day you couldn't even be an artist, without a warlord-patron.
Dieuaimebeethoven 2 years ago
More awful English...
ftworthxxx 2 years ago
Dont hear you speaking german at all...
She has a second language, you americans dont even have any.
haljup 2 years ago
Please! I speak 4 languages.
shasha1873 2 years ago
Aaah. Thank you. Welcome to my world.
Offcourse there are some exceptions, sorry.
But then again, you wouldnt make this comment in the first place, wouldnt you? I bet that this "ftworthxxx" cant speak 4 languages as you. And mainly, it was him I made the comment to...
haljup 2 years ago
Artists who pretend that their work exists in a void, free of connection to social reality and is consequence-free, is truly a "useful idiot" in the classic sense. Somehow Arendt and Einstein knew something was horribly wrong with the Nazis, even before the atrocities became clear.
Riefenstahl's ignorance was her own failing, and just like with Martin Heidegger, "art" does not excuse an individual's total lack of judgment. She is as guilty as every other self-serving German who looked away.
jobharrison 2 years ago
Art is free if in america every social minority can trooop and protest around and is given rights which is all acording to fredom of speech which is basic right of democracy why shouldnt this woman "or anyone basicly " film this films all art is free for interpretation one could understand it as nazi propaganda someone else just as visualy stunting film then again someone just as mirror of history without any special meaning
odiloglobocnik 2 years ago
Without Riefenstahl, we would not be able to watch the true story of Third Reich Nazi Party. Those movies such as Triumph of the Will presented documentary to us.
jacarandaxia 2 years ago
Yes, and Toby Keith provided us all an invaluable look at Middle America's boorish psyche after the Sept. 11 attacks. Toby Keith is still lame, though.
jobharrison 2 years ago
@jobharrison oh stop with "middle america's boorish psyche." I know they "cling to their guns and bibles." So damn tiresome and how arrogant. Most of middle america are "good people" who try to do right and raise their kids in an environment filled with the sanctimomious yet corrupt world the elite media propagates. Middle America is the driving force for most of the good in this world.
wmhoad 2 years ago
Ich liebe dich Leni
joman2299 2 years ago
have just read her memoirs
she's a woman of talent and great strength, is worth admiring
bezzatej 2 years ago
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Definitely a genius! Recognized by her win at the Cannes Film Festival. The only people who opposed her and worked relentlessly to have her boycotted and ruined after the war, were the scumbag Zionists.... just like they do with anyone who differs with their world view! What a great lady. No, I am not a neo-Nazi, nor a sympathiser.... Nazism was an evil religious cult, in the final analysis. Neo's today are idiots whom Hitler would have exterminated! All power to Jesus the Christ of G_d.
hugiaino 2 years ago
she shouldn't be renowned, she should have been executed. They try prison guards who were making a living and forced to work and this woman was very enthusiastic about the nazis. She simply had lots of money and lots of free labor. That is not talent
braveandtall 2 years ago
You say that because you are a radical blind idiot. The same way, a right-wing guy who dont appreciate cinematographic works like The Battleship Potemkin or Soy Cuba is a radical blind idiot too.
absassi 2 years ago
maybe you should be executed.
art is free!
odiloglobocnik 2 years ago
Yes, we should carefully observe and analyze Riefenstahl's works for their historical value, but as someone who made the following comment about Mein Kampf:
"The book made a tremendous impression on me. I became a confirmed National Socialist after reading the first page. I felt a man who could write such a book would undoubtedly lead Germany. I felt very happy that such a man had come."
...we should remember that our responsibility to the reality around us comes before any notions of art.
jobharrison 2 years ago