Socialist Party USA at Glasgow Socialism 2010

[Dantmos89]

A liberal is a man who is willing to spend somebody else's money.

-Carter Glass

Fuck socialists, the only people that need taking care of by the government are the elderly, children, vets, and the special ed. Everyone else needs to get a fucking job and stop wanting fucking handouts, fuck socialism and fuck all of you fuckers that want to take part of a paycheck from hardworking men and women and give it to fucking lazy pieces of shit.

[CAMERONisaEUROPHILE]

These aren't socialists,this guy thinks Obama is too conservative for gods sake,he wants to end capitalism and replace it with presumably Soviet style "socialism".These people are from the extreme Marxist/Leninist left.Dangerous political parties like these should be treated with the same disdain as neonazi parties,they are extremely dangerous.Im sure West Germany outlawed nazi and communist parties after WW2,and for good reason they are two sides of the same evil fascist totalitarian coin.

[Dcrfreeman]

all of these ignorant people have no idea what socialism is. we are not the nazi party. and we are not communists. we are socialists and so was jesus!

[Stickmodee]

Godless socialism in this past century has cuased more deaths, murders, and human suffering than any other system throughout human history. Look at Nazi Germany, Communist China, The USSR, Cambodia, Cuba, etc. Everywhwer it is tried, it fails. It destroys the human spirit, the family, the will to achieve. I say to socialists everywhere... FUCK YOU. Freedom works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheDolfan1972]

@Stickmodee Nazi germany was not a bolshevic type socialist state, it was totalitarian fascism. The rest of the countries you mentioned are not a socialist democracies, they are under a totalitarian communist system or dictatorship, if you will. Examples of democratic socialists states are Sweden, Amsterdam and up to a level, Canada. I agree that communism does not work, neither does fascism. God bless the USA.

[Apollyon911c]

ussa ya right never vote for me i will get this shit right

[02dr650guy]

NO SOCIALISM!!!! IT WILL BE THE DEATH OF YOU! WAKE THE FUCK UP. DO NOT BELIEVE THIS PROPAGANDA!!!!

[madjimms]

@02dr650guy Really? Most of the republic countries end up failing just like the US is. Socialist & Communist countries have lasted the longest & are the strongest, look it up.

[antifrituras]

@02dr650guy The man at the left is biting his fingers... He looks like scared. I don't matter what could be the best system.... I think who US must provide more social asistan than spend OUR money on war.

[brownspottedbanana]

suck my capitalistic dick.

[TheMomy791]

some of the people who are poor do not even try hard and just sit on the couch all day. All they do is just get welfare checks from the government. Capitalism rewards hard work. socialism does not

[UberDeathTurtle]

Let's keep the Republic.

[xtremejohnny69]

Socialism will not bring us freedom and democracy, only slavery and misery. Who wants democracy anyways? I know I'd rather have a constitutional republic. Socialism, even the light "european" socialism, will only bring poverty and dependency on government. And in the end we will end up living in the horid "utopia" where we all must work to feed our money hungry government and the few elite. Capitalism doesn't offer a free lunch but socialism offers no lunch

[merchan5967]

@xtremejohnny69 Socialists do not advocate the welfare state. The welfare state exists as a way to shut us up by trying to balance out the negative effects of capitalism. It does so by throwing money at the poor rather than fixing the chief causes of poverty (just enough money for them to stay poor), thus the dependency you complain of becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, in that it works along side the very system that necessitates its existence (capitalism), which socialism is meant to replace.

[merchan5967]

@xtremejohnny69 This is not to say that we want the welfare state to go away. As long as capitalism exists in the US we want to see the welfare state maintained so we do not a have a totally plutocratic system, I just believe that if we had a true socialist state with a democratized workplace, as well as free healthcare and education (and that's it) the welfare state would not need to be nearly so expansive. Perhaps it wouldn't even need to exist at all. Welfare exits more because of capitalism.

[xtremejohnny69]

@merchan5967 Yeah but if you offer universal healthcare then you have to give people a place to live and food to eat, otherwise everyone will be unhealthy and will run up a deifcit in the system, And if your food, healthcare, and shelter is paid for, then why work? I'd like to see most welfare privatized into loans more or less. Plus when you have competition, prices lower so universal healthcare and education would just be more expensive. Public education already costs taxpayers a shit load.

[merchan5967]

@xtremejohnny69 You missed the point of what I was saying. I'm just saying that if true socialism existed, perhaps some of the safety net programs could be done away with. Privatizing safety nets may break the cycle of dependency, but that will not be as a result of not needing help, it will be as a result of no longer having access to that help. When you turn something into a commodity, the result is that those without means are left behind. This is the problem that socialism is meant to fix.

[merchan5967]

@xtremejohnny69 If you give people free education, they will be able to train for new employment if they find themselves laid off, thus averting the financial problems that necessitate use of safety net programs. And the whole competition thing is a double edged sword. The reason we have trouble "competing" with companies in developing countries is because Americans don't work for slave wages and expect a safe workplace. Would you give that up in the name of competition/profit? I wouldn't.

[merchan5967]

@xtremejohnny69 Oh and a lot of people who fall on hard times do take out loans from private companies which usually have astronomically high interest rates and simply plunge already struggling people deeper into debt. In the end, anything for-profit is about money and if they don't get it from you paying up (which is quite hard if you're unemployed or underemployed), they get it by taking your stuff. This is what a capitalist "safety net" does. It's not about helping you, it's just about money.

[xtremejohnny69]

@merchan5967 When you have competition prices and interest rates will lower. In economics, you try to get more people to buy your product or service, so you give them incentives to use your product. Yes it is about profit, and that's what makes it better. When you're trying to keep your business from going under from pressure of competition, then you'll offer lower prices than the government, who has no competition.

[merchan5967]

@xtremejohnny69 Yes but how low do we stoop to stay in that "competition"? Middle class wages have been more or less stagnant for over 30 years while the income of the top 1% have skyrocketed. Under America's brand of capitalism (which is not what you describe above), the rich have been getting richer, and poor have stayed poor. Our for profit healthcare system has the highest prices in the world and we rank 37th in outcomes. What you described sounds great in theory but it hasn't worked.

[xtremejohnny69]

@merchan5967 Because our politicians have implemented what you describe. Goverment has gotten involved in business and fucked everything up. Had they never gotten involved, we wouldn't need ssi or medicare. But since they decided to set minimum wages and subsidize failing companies, which are socialist measures, we've seen a steady decline in our economy.

[merchan5967]

@xtremejohnny69 Let me say this again since you obviously didn't read it: I've already said that socialists do NOT argue for state control (Communism does that). We argue for an economy in which WORKERS control their own workplaces by running them DEMOCRATICALLY. In fact we argue for as LITTLE state control as possible. We're not trying to impose an autocracy on anyone. We're trying to spread democracy. There's nothing totalitarian about that.

[merchan5967]

@xtremejohnny69 I will concede that the welfare state is supported by socialists (if that's what you're referring to) in order to balance out the negative effects of capitalism. But socialism is not meant to simply balance out the problems of capitalism, it is meant to fix them permanently. Many socialists, including myself feel that if we had real socialism, the welfare state could be done away with, as the system that necessitated the existence of the welfare state would no longer exist.

[MegaLink117]

its santa XD

[NatedogJr]

Will Socialism promise this for the USA? *No dictatorship *Ends poverty *No inflation *No unemployment *Great Health care *No inflations *Have lots of jobs/careers/occupations/ we want (The PEOPLE CHOOSES) *No racism *Ends crime *Still democratic (PEOPLE Have say in federal government)

[xza14]

The workingmen must unite to take down the Proletariat

[SEIUMAN]

Don't believe everything that the anticommunists says. Many historians are Americans and American patriotism = anticommunist. And some of them speaks bad about anything communist just cause of money (capitalist propaganda). At this days, many people in the old soviet republics keeps making manifestations in favour of Stalin, mostly old people = EXPIRIENCED PEOPLE and an expirienced person can't be never contradicted by an historian.

[BigOrangeTitan]

The U.S. won't attack Iran, they are helping us in Afghanistan.

[jimmyt3411]

Its so sad to see the ignorant youth converting into socialism. Capitalism: Free-market, when government does not intervene in the economy. Today we have corporatism meaning that we have corporations sending in lobbyists to have government favor their companies, which is NOT Capitalism because because government is intervening in the market by favoring (through subsidization and laws regulating competitors) a few corporations. We have had corporatism all throughout the twentieth century.

[xtremejohnny69]

@jimmyt3411 Finally some sanity on this video! Don't worry about the youth I'm an 18 year old college student and a complete free market capitalist! Hopefully we can get our nation back in the hands of true capitalists like Ron Paul in the election next year

[SuckMyPhallus]

@jimmyt3411 agreed. if anything, america is more socialist than it is capitalist. who else has a 40% corporate tax rate, the highest in the world? we are now the most anti-business first-world country in the world, and look where they have taken us - DEBT. socialist policies have done wonders for us, haven't they?

[jimmyt3411]

@SuckMyPhallus How can today's so-called 'Capitalism' function under such a heavy tax burden. China is booming as a result of deregulation in private industry, not because they introduced Socialism into their country. Although, China not perfect since their government is manipulating their own currency but then again so is ours. This issue stems philosophically though, primarily on the role of government, too bad the novels we read at my school are from authors who philosophically endorse Marx

[merchan5967]

@jimmyt3411 Communism is NOT socialism. Socialism strives to spread democracy, not restrict it. Spreading democracy to the workplace is the primary tenant of a socialist society. It is not about taxes or even being anti-business. We understand that for a nation to function, there must be profitable businesses. However, we reject the notion that profit should come at the expense of democracy or the well being of the people.

[jimmyt3411]

@merchan5967 Communism and Socialism both share the idea that man does not have free will and is not capable of 100% running his own lifestyle, therefore justifying state intrusion. I agree with Democracy as well, just so long as it is restricted on the basis that the majority cannot vote other peoples' rights away, thats called 'mob rule' and is why we have a Constitution in which there are inalienable rights that cannot be tampered with by a democratic vote.

[merchan5967]

@jimmyt3411 Where did you get the idea that socialists want to take anyone's rights or free will away? And I've already said that socialists do not argue for state control (Communism does that). We argue for an economy in which workers control their own workplaces by running them democratically. In fact we argue for as little state control as possible. We're not trying to impose an autocracy on anyone. We're trying to spread democracy. There's nothing totalitarian about that.

[jimmyt3411]

@merchan5967 When society votes on something, who will enforce the people's decision? Only a central authority like government can. The more you leave decisions in the workplace to be left on a Democratic vote, the more you are inviting the state to enforce what has been voted on. It is a contradiction to be for Socialism and for economic freedoms, especially when the people through their government is controlling the means of production. It is also a right for one to own property or a business.

[merchan5967]

@jimmyt3411 A democratized workplace is called also called a worker cooperative. They exist today in almost every country. There are hundreds of co-ops in the US and many more in Europe. They all work differently but achieve the goal of workplace democracy. The state has no part in their decision making that I'm aware of.

[merchan5967]

@jimmyt3411 And you're forgetting that there are several kinds of socialism. Another for is market socialism, in which private ownership of small to medium sized businesses is promoted, but the economy is decentralized through co-operative management and the enforcement of ant-trust laws. Your attempted prophecy of the effects of socialism is without base because, as I said, democratic socialism has never been attempted on a large scale.

[waldbube]

Haha, this guy has stolen his hair from Marx...

U.S.A. needs Socialism or it will soon go down

greetings from Switzerland

[redsoxfan1984]

@waldbube Not coming any time soon. Fox News told Americans that moving further right will actually save this country. The lower house of Congress has a massive majority of far-right Republicans, and the upper house won't change much.

[dancingwithcalvin]

@waldbube

U.S.A isnt going any where. Capitalism is one of the reason our country inspired innovation for generations and generations. Computer? Made in America. Internet? made in America. Key board? made in America. Youtube? made in America....

[waldbube]

@dancingwithcalvin War in Vietnam, Financial crisis, war in Iraq, Afganistan, Civilwar in Niqaragua, financial crisis world wide, war in palestina, unequality in the USA, islamophobie and guantanamo are made in the USA. And now: a good healthcare system, free schools, workers right and a minimal salary were all not made in America.

[dancingwithcalvin]

@waldbube

A bunch of wars? Yeah America has to get its hands dirty for the benefit of the world. We have a good healthcare system, its just not perfect. Yet. And yeah we have public shools and unions originated in the cities in America.

[waldbube]

@dancingwithcalvin your health care system can't conquer with a european one, also the schools and universitys doesn t have the same quality and are too expensiv. unions haven't got much power compared with european unions. and please tell me what war in afganistan or iraq brings the people living there instead of death. the western economie is based on an imperialistic system, which uses the 3rd world as his slaves. and please don t talk so disrespectful about wars!

[jollygreengiant1415]

@waldbube I'm an American and I agree with you. We need more socialism in this nation if people want to live fairly. We ultimately need a multiparty system in the US for anything to be done. I really hope people start getting behind this idea instead of a two party system.

[NatedogJr]

@jollygreengiant1415 I'm American and I don't want Socialism! Why?

"Critics of Socialism point out that it brings extensive government intervention in all parts of the economy and, by necessity, in people's personal lives."

"Most of the major factors of production are owned by the state. Private property rights are strictly limited to small tools than an individual needs for an occupation."

-Glencoe Economics Today and Tomorrow (California High School Textbook)

[jollygreengiant1415]

@NatedogJr Quoted from a high school textbook. You just shot yourself in the foot. hahahaha wow dude.

[NatedogJr]

@jollygreengiant1415 Well, where am I "supposed" to quote Socialism from? Also, why do you want Socialism over Capitalism? Just Curious....

[jollygreengiant1415]

@NatedogJr Well, anyone who knows anything about public schooling knows that its basically a system in which children and young adults are taught how America rules at everything. So, in my opinion, high school books are hardly balanced.

Anyway moving on. More socialism is needed (social programs) because I see people around me dying or going into debt because of their lack of wealth. These people work their asses off but die of the flu at 50. I want socialism because I care.

[NatedogJr]

@jollygreengiant1415 I assume that whatever they teach me is worth learning. As long as I get my diploma, then it is all good! I don't think America will accept Socialism. I mean what makes Capitalism and Socialism different Is what I meant.

[jollygreengiant1415]

@NatedogJr You're probably right, at least for right now. Democracy really never took off until the 1700s even though the ancient greeks came up with it. So in time I think people will accept socialism.

[NatedogJr]

@jollygreengiant1415 Well, how do you you define socialism and how do you define capitalism?

[MrSystematica]

@jollygreengiant1415 not with the radical right in america screwing things up wanting christian laws in congress

[jollygreengiant1415]

@MrSystematica All i can say is, give it time. People will wake up. Maybe.

[MrSystematica]

@jollygreengiant1415 we can only hope comrade. *fist pump*

[Stickmodee]

@jollygreengiant1415 You are not an American. You need to move to Europe, cunt. I agree the 2 party system in US is corrupt. Socialism is not the answer. It is slavery to the state. Freedom works. America is the best chance for humanity on this planet. no one is risking their lives to sneak into China. Freedom is the solution to the human condition.

[jollygreengiant1415]

@Stickmodee I see you got a great education under that there skull of yours, boy.

[raiderline65]

@waldbube wow...good thing nobody asked your swiss ass...mind your own business

[YoungRapper700]

@waldbube Your a huge dumbass, Socialism almost never works out. Look how well Russia did. With a Socialist country. You ALWAYS go broke.

[wildboy789789]

what kind of votes does the socialist party pull? have we won a senator or govenor, or have we gotten mayors or congressmen elected?... i have no idea... can anyone tell me?

[PowerMetalupyours]

@wildboy789789 haha yes, dont be scared!! its no communism! think about it like a democracy for the middle class for the working class!!

[wildboy789789]

@PowerMetalupyours communism is total government control on the economy, usually with a dictator... i prefer a democracy with a socialist society so people can decide how much regulation we need... im part of this whole global social democrat movement, i think we will win

[PowerMetalupyours]

@wildboy789789 haha communist countries never have dictators. but unfortunately they turn into dictators capitalists just paint them bad.but yes one day we will open the eyes of capitalist parties and socialize our country by democracy. little by little comrade!!!

[redsoxfan1984]

@wildboy789789 There have been a couple of Socialist mayors of Burlington, Vermont. Also, one of the current senator from Vermont, Bernie Sanders, identifies as a Democratic Socialist, but is a registered independent, and was never part of SPUSA.

Google "list of elected Socialists", and you'll get a list of them.

[wildboy789789]

@redsoxfan1984 sweet, thanks... i classify myself as a social democrat so ill have to take a look at bernie sanders... its a global political movement afterall, not like all the rascist nationalist parties :)

[SwingBeatnik]

I am a Socialist but this guy doesn't have all his facts right. Slavery was not allowed for 250 years... I think he meant the fact they didnt have rights

And I do believe Iran is a threat, but I never thought Iraq was. You don't have to be pro war or something lke that to want to invade Iran. Sometimes you actually need to fight a war. Khomenei and Ahmadinejad believe deep in their heart (and are open about this) that the Mahdi (messiah) will only come about if someones kills all the Jews...

[bioazr]

Hail to our representative from the U.S.A.! Thank you for representing us well, comrade.

[snapsepaven]

concrats america, I was wondering when you would try a little red power. what party colour are you going to use since the slavedrivers allready have the red colour? power to you!

[loserman243]

@snapsepaven Slavery is not a political issue, not all conservatives believe slavery is good, haha in fact almost no one supports that. All socialism is is a movement to shut down free enterprise and replace it with a system where a Harvard Grad makes about the same as the janitor that cleans the place up.

[snapsepaven]

@loserman243 haha. Brought that one upon myself! I was playing in to the socialistic stereotype, and I must admit it made me sound a bit juvenile. of course I don't believe the conseratives support slavery. I haven't looked much into American socialism, but the way I see it your college crads still make way more than the janitor. Although he will pay a higher tax he'll still come out on top, thus the broadest shoulders carries the heaviest burden. still wondering about the colour though

[PsychoPunk1965]

I know Eric Chester, and I had my difference with him when I was in the Socialist Party USA. But he is making more sense these days (minus his negative view on the Second International). He is, nevertheless, very correct about the Democratic Party not being a viable option for the American Left. It took health care deform to see this. So in a sense, I owe Eric Chester an apology...

[DeepTh0ught]

@TheDaviniumXX Yes he does, and it is kinda funny, but don't we all emulate each other?

[wildboy789789]

@TheDaviniumXX yes i promise, democratic socialism works

[wildboy789789]

socialist democracy works... socialism gives government the power to control corporations, and democracy gives people power over the government... i want all people pulled twords the lower middle class with a 30% income tax and monthly government checks, all the lazy stupid people will be able to eat and live in a small house... people can spend their government money and become poorer, or work and save up to become richer... and CEO's need elections

[poneil69]

I believe, that beyond nationalities, a Socialist reality can be just that, a reality. I admire the American Socialist Party. In the face of absolute capitalism they stand their ground. In this " bread and circus" society that we, in the West,( the lucky ones ! ), live, they may face the hardest of struggles.I am with them.

[andharvey8]

A few points:

"... from a country that had a 250 year history of slavery" So, are we to infer that Great Britan did not have any slaves in that 250 year period?

"Capitalist countries are in a crisis....Worst economic downturn since the 1930's"

Did you notice that the crisis was created by our Socialist efforts to subsidize housing on a massive scale, or did that slip your mind?

"Climate change crisis" Total Bunk, need I say more.....

"Gap between rich and poor" Lowest in the world

[wildboy789789]

im moving to a country with a socialist left wing party... this country is skrewed with these idiots voteing

[NewRevolutionLeader]

Capitalism is not only a fraud it goes against every major religion and creates greed. Doesn't everyone else think lobbying government officials should be illegal? Lobbying just creates government serving corporations and not the people. Regulations on markets creates REAL FREE ENTERPRISE where anyone anywhere can thrive and create profit.

[ShareBroSis]

Hail Marx!!

[ShareBroSis]

BUT I think Obama is NOT know how doing his Socialist Party., but Socialist Party employment? MUST be ,, we make zero unemployment always!! because if citizen Socialist Party or members in name record. but remove debt system. for created new economy and work farmer, house, cloths, and electric car, wind power, soal,..that will make easy economy but we do create (restoring) new economy system.

[ShareBroSis]

@ShareBroSis soal=solar

[ShareBroSis]

I'm Socialist Party member (joined 2003 to continue active) but and welcome Christian if believe "Share Brothers and Sisters" but deaf with sign language

and text internet active (maybe limited english 5th grade)., I live USA and California but plan move to Georgia, USA.

[HermiOdleProduction5]

I say everyone gets a decent pay and works harder to increase it and goes to school(for free) to get a better job. Come on! Why can't we have the goods of socialism and the goods of capitalism?

[ShareBroSis]

@HermiOdleProduction5

capitalism is big fraud because debt too much and stuck economy system.

[HermiOdleProduction5]

Does the socialist party belive in community control of the state rather then government control? If they do then I'm a socialist. Though I don't see anything wrong with private property.

[B94241]

You are now realising that the speaker is going for a Marx look.

[MrDaleaaaa]

wrong country gay and gals pack it up go some place els don't go to the communist countries their to capitalist for you

[PsychoPunk1965]

As an independent social democratic progressive here in America, I wanted to say hello to Eric Chester. Our vision of socialism differed, but Eric Chester is a decent man nevertheless...

[deno914]

Labour .... Tory.... Lib Dems..... all capitalist. Listen to Nick Griffin you arseholes. WE ARE SOCIALISTS. The BNP would have let the banks go to the wall and invested in our country. We want the troops back. Why are we fighting muslim countries, this guy could be talking about the BNP.

[deno914]

God Bless Margaret Thatcher

[MrDaleaaaa]

@deno914 deno914 margerit thatcher the queen of the socialist (or fathers save us from hitler so we can be  communist )

[deno914]

Scottish Socialists - bunch of twats, kevin mcvey - twat. stephen mullen - bigger twat. The BNP has to be the only choice.

[wilmatic]

Capitalism has not failed, Greed has failed. But Socialism always fails, Cuba just said they are getting out of another business because they are losing money, so they are going to a Capitalistic system for that business.Look at the depression of 1920(not 1929)after WWI. This was because of PROGRESSIVE Woodrow Wilson raising the rich to a 75%tax. They cut gov.spending and taxes across the board and it only took 18 months and you had the roaring 20's. So u socialist get off my CAPITALISTIC land

[wilmatic]

Warren Harding was the president to cut taxes and lead us to a great decade, until another progressive took over and you got the depression of 1920. So socialist do research before you say socialism is better then Capitalism. Socialism is only good for the lazy, and ones who can't think for them selves, sitting on the couch and eating Mcdonalds, while people working are paying him.

P.S. If it was not for America this world would not be where it is now... FREE and prospering

[flmcon]

I have ( No Socialism) bumper stickers! Want one

[TEHNIQUE1993]

becose your fucking country destroyed politcly and economicly all socialist countrys

it will come to you some time !!

zivio drugi tito!

[namzezam]

you are all invited just google this new key word:

ComComIsm.

[ymp5000]

@amsterdam78 Broad brushing, not good. Private property was no more invented than the use of fire was. The existence of violence and the benefits of order necessitated rules of conduct in primitive society. This could have gone many ways. One way that was widely utilized was a system that observed private property rights. You think ancient cultures lived in harmony with nature but they didnt. mortality rates were high and life expectancy was low. Oh, and there was slavery and war.

[amsterdam78]

Under authoritarian "Communist" states, decisions are made by Communist Party officials, the bureaucracy and the military. The inevitable product of each system is a class society with gross inequality of privileges, a draining of the productive wealth and goods of the society into military purposes, environmental pollution, and war in which workers are compelled to fight other workers.

[amsterdam78]

Under capitalist and authoritarian "Communist" states, people have little control over fundamental areas of their lives. The capitalist system forces workers to sell their abilities and skills to the few who own the workplaces, profit from these workers' labor, and use the government to maintain their privileged position.

[ymp5000]

@amsterdam78 Lenin who used controlled famine as a political weapon, was the first to employ concentration camps, who dissolved any trace of civil liberty or free speech, who tried to eliminate religion from society, who disbanded the Constituent Assembly and put his communist party at the pinnacle of a totalitarian regime. I was talking about that Lenin, I dont know the guy you spoke of. Only 111 million people have died for the glorious government but their OK now! WTF?

[ymp5000]

@amsterdam78 BTW I know you are still just copying and pasting. That last rant was from the socialist party USA: Article of Principals. You said you are 48, and you still cant think for yourself? Your like a robot man. They put data in you spit un altered data back out. Its kind of lame dont you think? You are only debating me but im debating the Socialist Party USA.

[ymp5000]

None of those people died in combat. They were drug from their homes and executed or starved to death by the likes of Linen, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro and Che.

[amsterdam78]

"Lenin" never did anything but try and build a strong socialist workers state, against international intervention and civil war. Stalinism has nothing to do with socialism. Mao made mistakes, but his country is still a super power. Castro and Che were great revolutionaries that fought for liberation. Cuba stands today as a model of communism against imperialist aggression. How many have suffered and died due to capitalism...not enough room to write all that.

[ymp5000]

@amsterdam78

Come on, give it a try. Tell us how many and when.

[amsterdam78]

@ymp5000 I would have to go back to the beginning of the modern world. Before the invention of "private Property" Humans lived communal lives with their equals and with nature. After the modern world dawned, the world has been split between exploiter and exploited. Capitalists such as yourself are an exploiter. Every death from lack of privilege is a death due to capitalism. Every capitalist and imperialist produced victims of capitalism. Every poor child dead at birth due to lack of heath care.

[ymp5000]

@amsterdam78 But not just in cultures whos social systems would be the basis of capitalism (YEAH!!!), that shit was on every cotenant but one.

[ymp5000]

Cambodia Body Count: 2,627,000 1975-1987. Korea Body Count: 3,163,000 1948-Present. Russia Body Count: 64,837,000. And the Holy Grail of socialist compassion! China Body Count: 111,973,000 1931-Present. thats what socialism/communism get you. Death and destruction on a scale that rivals the worst diseases ever known.

[ymp5000]

Angola Body Count: 125,000 1975-1992. Bulgaria Body Count: 222,000 1946-1990. Romania Body Count: 435,000 1947-1989. Mozambique Body Count: 700,000 1975-1990. Yugoslavia Body Count: 1,072,000 1945-1992. Ethiopia Body Count: 1,343,610 1974-1991. Vietnam Body Count: 1,670,000 1975-Present. Afghanistan Body Count: 1,750,000 1978-1992.

[ymp5000]

Yemen Body Count:1,000 1969-1990. Poland Body Count:22,000 1948-1989. Hungary Body Count: 27,000 1949-1989. Laos Body Count: 56,000 1975-Present. Czechoslovakia Body Count: 65,000 1948-1990. Germany Body Count: 70,000 1949-1990. Cuba Body Count: 73,000 1961-Present. Albania Body Count: 100,000 1946-1991. Mongolia Body Count: 100,000 1924-1992.

[comraderedoctober]

All fine and well so long as the Socialist Party does not stand for communism or nationalism base within multi-democracy localisms. A place whereas 4th International Trotskyist are not allowed due to their disruptive nature historically speaking.

[amsterdam78]

comraderedoctober is a christian democrat, NOT a socialist. He is a liar and a thief. His name is Atlee Yarrow and he is working with a clandestine group to "usurp the hegemony of the SPUSA." Atlee Yarrow was expelled from the socialist party for numerous reasons, and ever since has been an avid internet stalker and counter-revolutionary. He seeks a christian theocracy in the United States, and is a strong pro-life anti-abortion/woman's rights activist.

[diamortem]

So, I should continue to work, in a prison, putting my life on the line every day, so you can raise my taxes further to hope you get enough welfare to pay a barber to cut that mess growing on your head. I bet you're not even smart enough to realize that I just created a perfect, run-on sentence. Go to Germany, Russia, Cuba, North Korea, China, Ukraine, Canada, or other inferior countries if you want to enjoy Socialism. As long as I'm in a free country, I'll defend my freedom, thank you!

[amsterdam78]

THE SOCIALIST PARTY strives to establish a radical democracy that places people's lives under their own control - a non-racist, classless, feminist socialist society... where working people own and control the means of production and distribution through democratically-controlled public agencies; where full employment is realized for everyone who wants to work

[ymp5000]

@amsterdam78

I thought I might find you hear!

[olddonno1]

@amsterdam78 Yep and the public have full control? or do the elitists rip the

shit out of us all? remmember its the people who put there taxes to the socialist

goverment, where they decide that out of our money they deserve there bonus or we pay there expences without question! Socialism doesent work, its freedom that works, and thats where the conservatives come in! im a conservative and i live in a council estate but i work and strive to make my life better!

[9408994041]

@amsterdam78 socialism and capitalism, two different ways of doing the exact same thing, Fucking you over

[amsterdam78]

workers have the right to form unions freely, and to strike and engage in other forms of job actions; and where the production of society is used for the benefit of all humanity, not for the private profit of a few. We believe socialism and democracy are one and indivisible. The working class is in a key and central position to fight back against the ruling capitalist class and its power.

[amsterdam78]

The working class is the major force worldwide that can lead the way to a socialist future - to a real radical democracy from below. The Socialist Party fights for progressive changes compatible with a socialist future. We support militant working class struggles and electoral action, independent of the capitalist controlled two-party system, to present socialist alternatives.

[amsterdam78]

We strive for democratic revolutions - radical and fundamental changes in the structure and quality of economic, political, and personal relations - to abolish the power now exercised by the few who control great wealth and the government.

[TheRealCates]

@amsterdam78 Well said comrade =)

[terpis]

As long as yr in a free country, you can spew ignorant bullshit and make a fool of yrself too, apparently.

Be free, little poodle. Yap yap yap.

BTW, what is it with you chickenshits and yr scrubbed-clean, anonymous little snark channels? Man up a little.

[ymp5000]

@diamortem

HEAR HEAR!

[amsterdam78]

@ymp5000 Capitalist Pig

[ymp5000]

@amsterdam78

Fucking-A right im a CAPITALIST. The pig part is subjective.