I've been trying to figure out what's the difference between a triple axel and a triple lutz and a bunch of other triple stuff. Maybe it's because of my eyes or something, I don't know, they all look the same to me. Can somebody please explain the differences to me? Really appreciate it!
Only someone who could be more knowledgeable about the subject of triple axels would dare to demonstrate the lack of presentation skills by ignoring the misspelling of this video's title.
@paufigureskating she is an amazing skater, i saw her live at skate canada international 2011 and she had two solid, clean performences ! :) shes one to watch at the 2014 olympics!
This is the only sport I can think of where people criticize the top skaters in the world. You would have to be an amazing skater to come in 12th at worlds yet people criticize the skaters that com in second.
There are less than ten female skaters that have performed a triple axel in competition. Mao is the ONLY female skater to ever land two in one perfomance in competition.
What's annoying with figure skating is that it's hard to tell a person rollin down on the floor "beautifully" and someone challening for back-flip. When I started to watch figure skating back year 2004ish, i honestly could not tell the different between "a skate" and someone "performing a step sequence." Yes, step sequence has improved a lot through these yrs but i doubt that not even a 5% of an audience can tell the difference bw level 2 and level 4 step sequence.
obviously anybody who can do a triple axel is a great skater, but i don't like her technique. she bends too far foward on the take off and i hate skid take offs (even though it's almost impossible to do a triple axel without one and even though i do a skid take off myself) it just isn't a TRUE triple axel with that kind of a take off..
I don't see how the jump is under rotated. Look at how nearly all the men do triple axels they use the same skid into the jump to get the tension for the rotation.
Mao Asada is the most complete female skater of all times. Even though there are others with better jumping skills (Midori Ito) or better interpretation skills (Yu Na Kim). She is the only one who can put it all together
I love how even in slo-mo her rotations are so quick........beautiful jump, though I still give the nod to Midori for having the best ladies triple axle.
why does her 3A's distance is so short?to think 3A was supposed to be the longest jump. i think yuna's 2A covers more distance(longer) than this. just curious.
@akyinum44 that is the weakness of mao's jump. her jumps is jump, stays in the air, land. where as yuna is jump, move a wide distance as she jumps, lands. i mean. mao is like just spinning in the air in the same position whereas yuna is spinning in the air and moving accorss the ice. that is why yuna's jump is called textbook.
Every mao's video is full of triple axel crap story. What other things can she do except for under rotated triple axel? Is she going for triple axel competition? If I were her, I would spend more time trying to fix wrong edges, to be a faster skater (she is so slow) and to be musical. Not only techically, but artistically, she is just an average.
She definitely has the skill, especially with this but I think she needs to mature more in terms of musicality and honing her talent rather than trying too hard with 3A. She has the potential...just not the patience, I guess.
NO ONE is taking points off for pre-rotation, except for toeloop when its like a toe-axel. her axel is great . skid, tight rotation, maybe a little cheat on the end, but way less than a quarter, and that counts as clean these days.
Just saying, she wasn't cheated on the landing. the last slow mo showed a perfect landing. extra time even! but regardless, i think people greatly undervalue the difficulty involved in a jump such as this.
why does everyone think her triple axel is so bad?there is no underrotation, figure skating experts have found her axels fully rotated in competition, if they were underrotated the judges wouldn't count them.shes the only person who can do it right now, i dont see any other women even attempting this jump.very few women have landed it in history.why is everyone so quick to critisize it?its not like any of you can do a triple axel.she is an amazing skater and people need to stop being so hateful.
It is nice,that lady can do a 3 Axel . And she do it clean.
But.....every body here are so young and has no idea about womans witch was jumping it 17 years before Mao jump it... Midori Ito - ( same technique use Yagudin ) or special one by Tonya Harding.... Both womans jump it with + 3 Goe in new rules... How many pluses will get Mao ? I think than 0 ponits plus.
Xentradi97 but now we are at it I would like to know if yuna is your favorite skater and if yes what you find so special about her beacause i personnaly think she is a great skater but I just don't see anything special in her, ohh and i have a feeling that this discussion is gonna take a while therefor it would be best if you answered in my channel instead of this forum...
@wsfggf If Mao makes you happy good for you. You're her fan than it's fine. Most experts, skating fans and audience would agree Yuna is a once in a lifetime talent and an amazing skater not only in jumps, speed, looks, expression, musicality and artistic merit. And that's why she is the champion and Mao is not. If you can see it or appreciate it, too bad. You're an extreme minority that Yuna is not exceptional. Which is ur opinion. No need to argue further
@Xentradi97 well I don't want to be rude but I have to point out that mao is two times world champion and a olympic silver medalist.. what she has achieved is the best evidence of what she is capabale of. I don't see why you seem to be insulted because that was diffenitly not what I tried to do. I like yuna kim as a skater although i have different oppinions about yuna and mao...
@wsfggf What makes you think I'm offended? I said you're entitled to your opinion as a fan. But most people disagrees with you. Which is a fact. And the scores, medals and accolades and praises all shows that. I'm merely trying to point out that the difference in opinion is not with me and you. But simply that you are a minority and majority does not assess like you. You seem to be having hard time grasping that concept.
@wsfggf Engaging audience is part of skating so is inspiring them. Emoting them. Some skaters delivers it on all level. And if you think Mao is all about skating you're wrong. You obviously don't watch Mao's interviews back home in Japan. Her tears and her stories in front of Japanese press. It's obvious that Mao is your favorite and that's fine. But you have to understand, everyone of the skaters have determination and hard work. Mao is no exception in that regard. And she won silver.
@Xentradi97 mao asada is really my favorite skater, and a reason for that is not only because her magnificent skating that has the hole package but also because she is one of the few skater's I enjoy watching and moves me by every program she does. she just makes me want to smile every time I watch her, and makes it look soo easy. although i am not from japan nor japanese i sometimes watch her interview and i have never get the impression of that she is saying anyhing wrong
@wsfggf With new rule, I'm sure there'll be someone who'll even attempt 4A's and 5A's even in future but as you can see the focus would be on the technical aspect of jump not all around skating. That my friend will make skating boring. Why? Skating isn't just about the jumps. Yuna flirted and lit the audience. Joannie Rochette emoted and moved the audience. Mao just doesn't do that other than for her jumps. And she's much slower on the ice.
@Xentradi97 well I agree on the part where you say skating isn't only about jumps, because I also think skating is alot more. but I have to say that even so mao delieves many jumps which i personnaly like, she delievers just as much of her artistic side..... she just doesn't flirt with the judges and the people who watches her. nor does she use personal isues to get the audience to pity her....
@wsfggf There's new score of Yuna and Mao's past performance based on the new scoring system which by the way Japan's skating association pulled its heavy lobbying power to institute to favor Mao (which I think is rather unfair tactic as no other skaters get that kind of favors), Mao's scores get a boost and she considerably narrows her points gap with Yuna, however is STILL behind Yuna. Instead of trying to put down Yuna, Mao needs to ask why she lost and what she needs to do better.
@Xentradi97 well if you have seen mao's past performences you probably have also seen that mao has improved from every season and she still does improve, just look at her old step sequences and spiral it's clear that she has and still does improve alot ( a thing I really like about her).... what japans skating association did does not ONLY favor mao but every other skater as well.
@wsfggf Mao is a great skater. No one doubts that. If it wasn't for Yuna, she'd have won the gold. Actually this Olympics, everyone threw down their A game. I've not seen so many clean and technically strong routines in one Olympic than I did in this one. However, it's very clear and most agree that she came short. And we know why. Her 3A is an amazing achievement. But most don't feel the magic in her routine the way Yuna Kim throws it down. Even Joannie Rochette had more emotion
@wsfggf than Mao. And as for the new scoring system, sure other skaters will benefit from it too, but it's mainly Mao with 3A who would. And it was done by heavy lobbying from JSA. Big surprise. They want to ensure Mao gets a gold next time. So it becomes more about 3A again. Through out the season, I never seen Mao talk about anything but perfecting that 3A. Skating is not just about 3A and Yuna has clearly shown that by beating her without it.
@Xentradi97 Xentradi97 I don't think that her program is only focused on her technical side , I think her artistic side is is just as incredible as everything else in her program is... but what makes the technical sometimes seem like the focus is because of her many jumps that are soo beautiful done without any diffeculty...
@wsfggf Yuna is the best all around skater while Mao focuses on technical aspect of skating namely Tripple Axel. And now she got her nations skating association to change the rule so that it would favor her skating. Not exactly fair but good start. She needs to get faster on the ice, choose better music that suits her better, better coach, and more expressive. If Yuna retires, Mao would win next gold for sure. But if she doesn't, these are things she needs to work on.
@Xentradi97 ohh and another thing mao asada's tripple Axel double toe loop is much more diffecult than yuna kim's Tripple Lutz Tripple Loop combo, there is a reason why mao is the only one who was able to perform it... think about it.... and if you want to watch a tripple tripple combination watch a few of asada other performances.... everything yuna is able to do mao is able to do it even better. but yuna can't do anything which mao isn't able to!!!!
@wsfggf Well experts and majority of people disagrees with your assassment but you are free to think what you want. Speed wise, graceful wise, choreography and being one with music, Mao falls short to Yuna. Hers doesn't quite have that magic if not she'd have beaten Yuna no problem. Tripple axel is impressive yes, but TA DTL combo is less of revolution than Yuna's TL TL combo. TA alone is harder jump than TL I agree, but combo wise, Yuna's is harder, which is why Yuna gets more points.
@Xentradi97 experts I would like to know who those expert are and please don't say scot hamilton he just seems to be a big fan of yuna.. majority of people well if those people watch figure skating and try to compare every element mao does like spirals spins, stepsequences, jumps.... with each other it's sooo clear that mao is superior. don't misunderstand I actually like them both and enjoy watching the rivally between them but for me mao asada is clearly the better skater than yuna....
@wsfggf Scott Hamilton is 2 time gold medal winner and skate champion. If he's not an expert then who is? And why shouldn't he be in awe with a skater who's simply fantastic? Gold medalist Kristi Yamaguchi, Nancy Kwan and 3 time Gold winner Katarina Witt all sang praises to Yuna and how her skating has pushed female skating to another stratosphere. Judges and fans also agree as Yuna got most of it. What other experts other than you think Yuna is boring or Mao is superior?
@wsfggf While Mao is amazing skater and a well deserved champion on her own right, compare to Yuna, the only thing she has going for is the TA. That's it. And that simply wasn't enough. And hence the result. I wish her luck in next Olympics. It's a question mark whether Yuna would compete again or if she does whether she could at the level she did. Mao ought to have a decent shot at the gold.
she lends to forward when she jumps.. her axel is very unique.. anyways her axel qualities were much better in 2008 than in 2009 or 2010. a lot of them were downgraded.
@sumimimi0 Can you please post a video of your triple axel? We would like to see how to do it correctly as you say. I guess you do not lean as far forward when you do your triple axel. Would be great to see it.
@GoFigureSkating i dunno how to explain but compare to other skaters like yuna kim and all others, she seems to lean forward or whatever. but i have never seen anyone jump an axel like her.. but i like her axel. she jumps very lightly.
why do you guys insult her triple axel? could you do it? no you couldn't so even if it is underrotated (which its not) it doesn't matter because that still takes amazing skill and training and effort. if you can land a consistent, clean triple axel be my guest. and why can't we appreciate both Yu na AND mao? they're both amazing with different strengths. And does it matter if Ito had more power or whatever? Mao, Ito, Yu Na are all amazing so can we discuss it without totally bashing them?
@youtubo1073 I visited your site and see you are a Yuna fan Mao basher.
So you are sying that Yuna only does a single axel and no double axel. If you look at Yuna's double axle in slo mo, also in this site, you will see she does not do 2.5 rotation. By your standard she does not do 2 Clean fully rotated.
You do not understand how an axel is performed. 9 judges from 9 countries who are trained to know the difference counted this jump as fully rotated.
@GoFigureSkating yuna kim does do a 2.5 rotation in the air for her double axel. i don't know what the heck you are talking about. but it is true that mao asada's triples are not that good. midori ito's is sick.
I am not against Yuna!. I I like bot Mao and Yu Na. They are both beautiful skaters.
I am inclined to triple axels because I want to learn them. It is the hardest jump to learn for me. Even when under rotated is is harder then any other triple. Mao's are the best right now. I posted Harding, Ito, Nakanoa as well. I study them and post for my friends. If Yu Na does a 3A I will certainly post it. I did post Yuna's triple triple which is awesome.
@GoFigureSkating Mao's Tripple Axel is beautiful yes, but it's also her focus on that technique that doomed her. She lacks speed, artistry and flair compared to Yuna and her choice of coach and music was aweful. And her tripple Axel double toe loop combo isn't as great as Yuna Tripple Lutz Tripple Loop combo.
@Xentradi97 well I have have to strongly dissagree on that part I find yuna's program plain boring. where in comprehension mao just blows my away with her incredible jumps, her hard and fast step sequences, her beautiful extended spirals and spins, graceful and light, and becomes one with the music she chooses no matter if it's dark or light performence, she delievers a outstanding show everytime.... she has the hole package.....
I think she elected not to because even without it, she knows that she'd beat everyone else with showing off pretentiously their triple axel. Anyone agree?
Isn't it just me to think she took off backwards? Her rotations were... Maybe next time she can get a better chance, since she is really trying to get the hang of her 3A. Good luck!
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Fortunately what you or the others think does not matter. The technical specialists and 9 judges at the competition did not think it was backwards and gave her credit. They are trained to see the difference
There are only two ladies doing 3As in competition now so there is not a lot to compare to. You can look at some 2As though. They all have the twist which is allowed.
The ice marks that are expcted are in theis image.
I am so amazed at your commenting that there is no comparison to Asada's 3A. Most male single skaters do 3As. If her 3A should be counted in a different way from male skaters, a 8.2 basic point for her 3A should also be differently adjusted, I guess. Recently, judges start not to disregard her undeniable big pre- and under-rotations and give DG calls. I think this is rather fortunate to her, because she can perfect her 3A under their scrutinizing eyes.
@LigaSvobodu Why do you recite the difference between edge jumps and toe jumps, while specifically discussing the way to count revolutions? Be relevant at least, and read the ISU rules regarding the so-called the pre-rotations for axel jumps. Chao.
@LigaSvobodu Hey, who in the world did say 3A was forbidden under the ISU rules? You are incredibly off the topic. Don't reply me back ever again. Just do that much for me. Thanks.
@INA101a Women are judged differently on many items. That is why they do not compete against each other. Ladies and men compete seperately in Freestyle, skiing, snow boarding, gymnastics, volley ball, soccer, swimming... They are judged against their peers of the same gender.
@GoFigureSkating Women and men have different leagues, but the rule regarding ratification of jumps and its application are the same in figure skating. So what is your point?
@INA101a She pre-rotates the jump, much in the exact same way Evan Lysacek pre-rotates his triple axel. It's not a "glaring" error, as a 1/8 pre-rotation is normal for the majority of male skaters. Her and Evan both pre-rotate about 1/4, only slightly more than normal, it just doesn't make a fine looking jump. There is a -GOE assigned with this much pre-rotation, part of the reason why Mao and Evan never get really high marks on this jump.
@DarrenInCA You are right in the rule, but I would not have raised an issue if she prerotates only around 1/4 turn. Before the Olympics, Plush once complained about Evan's prerotated 3A such that "It is simply a 3S." That comment explains a lot about those whom you defend as a set. C:
@INA101a To further clarify how this can be "normal" I just finished watching Tonya Harding's 1991 Skate America long program and looked at the slow motion they showed at the end of the clip of her triple axel.
Guess what? It's pre-rotated... by 1/4 a turn.
Midori Ito's triple axel... pre-rotated... by 1/4 a turn.
Guess NO lady has landed a "triple" axel then. I have YET to find a single lady who does less than 1/4 pre-rotation. If you find proof otherwise, please post!
@INA101a I've seen it, downloaded it, slow-motioned it. She still pre-rotates to almost exactly 1/4. Not as much as Mao does, but it's not "exact". She also cheats the landing as her foot lands a little more than sideways on the ice or exactly sideways.
Evgeni Plushenko pre-rotates 1/4 as well. Check out the Evgeni & Mao triple axel side by side video. His take-off foot is COMPLETELY sideways before he gets off the ice.
@DarrenInCA Tuktamysheva has no prerotation in your standard that Asada makes only 1/4 turn. It is nice to initiate you who scream that no lady has ever landed 3A after Asada, though.
@INA101a She pre-rotates the jump. Download it, look at it with the speed reduced to 15% of normal play speed, her foot is almost completely sideways before getting off the ice. That, is what we call, pre-rotation. It is a good jump, except for her cheated landing, with excellent air position, wonderful extension on the landing, and great speed into and out of it. But it is, by no means, perfect. In any sense of the word.
And I never said no one since Mao has landed it. Learn to READ!
@DarrenInCA Also, who in the world did blame Plush's 1/4 skidding? I've made it explicit over and over again that 1/4 skidding is legit. I did not raise any issue with the skating of Plush, Ito, and Harding. It is just you who talk about their skating as if they are cheating. Please, keep your suspicion to yourself before you "rest" your case since they are great in terms of jumping, at least.
@INA101a I NEVER said they cheated. I just said they also do pre-rotation to 1/4 on their take-offs, which is NOT a glaring error. The people making a big deal about the pre-rotation are know nothings, with absolutely no grasp of jump mechanics. These are the same people who think toe-loops, salchows, and loops have no pre-rotation.
How about you take the time to actually comprehend what I am reading instead of trying to be insulting with your limited grasp of english grammar and syntax.
@DarrenInCA It is fun to find grammar errors in a post in which a person is bragging about his superior language skills. Hey, it is English, not english, and also there is no expression like "nothings". Does this prove that I read your posts well this time? Ciao, and "rest" your case for good.
If you can do a triple axel like this one, even with 1/4 pre rotation, I would say you are an excellent skater. Sine only a few female skaters in the world can do this you would be one of the best!
I didn't think you could do a 3A but if you could do one like this I would say you were one of the top 5 female skaters in the world..
All skaters pre-rotate jumps before leaving the ice. It is completely legal under the International Judging System that governs the sport of figure skating.
You are absolutely right. Due to the nature of axel jumps, pre-rotation is inevitable, and that is why ISU recognizes the jump if the jump is less than quarter a turn underrotated. (GEO is another matter, though. It should be a shame if a 1/4 under-rotated jump gets any positive GEO)
But from this video clip, it is very clear that Mao pre-rotated at least half a turn in her triple axel, so Mao's jump should be downgraded. Simple as that.
This is a triple axel and an excellent one at that. The techinical panel and 9 judges from 9 countries agree that it is. Perhaps you think you know better than them.
A triple Axel can be Three +1/4 rotations. Check the IJS rules.
I have seen that amazing jump and made a slow motion video of it on this site. Midori Ito does a cleaner 3A (video also in this site)
It is not meant as an excuse. The point is that it is LEGAL under IJS judging system to pre-rotate a jump. The rule says that it may not be clearly backward (180 deg) This is about 90 deg rotated (LEGAL)
BTW The landing here is moch more controlled than Tonya's, Ito's is the cleanest beginning to end. I still think Mao's air position is the best of all of the three.
Better than Ito??? No way. BTW - Ito's bent leg (not in the 1992 Olympics) shows how strong she was. Her position in the air is perfect buy its strenght. Mao is very elegant, true. Tonya is little off axis but still she is a powerful skater and her Axels are huge.
I did not say better than Ito. By "right now" I meant the best of the skaters competing right now.
When doing a 3A you either need to jump high or rotate fast. Ito and Harding were high. Asada is not as high but rotates fast. Mao is very tight and quick. I think the best air position of any of the bunch.
Harding was the highest. Amazing she could hold on to some of those they were so far off axis. She was very strong.
Ito probably had the perfect balance of height and rotation.
@GoFigureSkating Ito's performance mirrors Mao's. Ito did Tripple Axel, again focusing on technicality against Kristi Yamaguchi who didn't do Tripple A but was a better skater overall. Ito lost. Yamaguchi won gold.
I am not saying it is clean because it is legal. I am saying that it is clean enough to be leagal.
Others are saying it is not a triple axel. Based on the rules it certainly is a triple axel. I have seen Ito's and Hardings and have already said those are cleaner.
She has done some of the best triple axels of any female skater currently competing (or in the past 10 years).
The video I was referring to was short enough for everyone to see easily and to compare. Among the related videos from that one you can see Tonya making cleaner 3A in real competitions just fine, reportedly the first ones by a female US athelete in real competitions. Unstable landing is one thing resulting from insufficient rotation, speed, height etc., prerotation is another, rather intentionally or by lack of proper coaching etc.
I just reviewed the Tonya harding practice video using dartfish. Tonya is clearly a quarter turn rotated before she leaves the ice. It is hard to see without super slow motion. Check again...
You are right. Due to its difficulties, 3A for females often involve prerotation. Yet, Mao does it too much. Hers are barely three rotation due to a little more than half of prerotation and some more underrotation. Good eye!
This was a the 2008 4 Continents Championships. The technical specialists, who can review the jump on video, called it clean, there were 9 judges and 2 judges gave it a +2 GOE three judges gave it a +1 GOE There were no negatives.
I've been trying to figure out what's the difference between a triple axel and a triple lutz and a bunch of other triple stuff. Maybe it's because of my eyes or something, I don't know, they all look the same to me. Can somebody please explain the differences to me? Really appreciate it!
Atlantis828 1 week ago
@Atlantis828 its mostly the differences between take offs and landings.
zivininjaheart 1 week ago
Oh not this one
WHATTHEBUCKSHOW 3 weeks ago
Every skater should watch this!!!
WHATTHEBUCKSHOW 3 weeks ago
Only someone who could be more knowledgeable about the subject of triple axels would dare to demonstrate the lack of presentation skills by ignoring the misspelling of this video's title.
anne91276 1 month ago
i prefer the european skaters they tend to skate more beautifully
pelicanus11 1 month ago
check out Elizaveta Tuktamisheva triple axel shes only 14 and her axel is soooo beautiful
paufigureskating 5 months ago
@paufigureskating she is an amazing skater, i saw her live at skate canada international 2011 and she had two solid, clean performences ! :) shes one to watch at the 2014 olympics!
paigerutledge1998 3 months ago
This is the only sport I can think of where people criticize the top skaters in the world. You would have to be an amazing skater to come in 12th at worlds yet people criticize the skaters that com in second.
There are less than ten female skaters that have performed a triple axel in competition. Mao is the ONLY female skater to ever land two in one perfomance in competition.
invantix 5 months ago 4
@invantix
What's annoying with figure skating is that it's hard to tell a person rollin down on the floor "beautifully" and someone challening for back-flip. When I started to watch figure skating back year 2004ish, i honestly could not tell the different between "a skate" and someone "performing a step sequence." Yes, step sequence has improved a lot through these yrs but i doubt that not even a 5% of an audience can tell the difference bw level 2 and level 4 step sequence.
yi81 5 months ago
Thta's clean, a bit of a skid but no more than the men would do. It's plumb backwards.
schulz1 6 months ago
obviously anybody who can do a triple axel is a great skater, but i don't like her technique. she bends too far foward on the take off and i hate skid take offs (even though it's almost impossible to do a triple axel without one and even though i do a skid take off myself) it just isn't a TRUE triple axel with that kind of a take off..
chapstickgurl1 6 months ago
I don't see how the jump is under rotated. Look at how nearly all the men do triple axels they use the same skid into the jump to get the tension for the rotation.
atso1981 6 months ago 4
TOO MUCH DOWNGRADED... SHE ALWAYS CHEATS LIKE THAT UGH..
OscaretVita93 6 months ago
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Asada is a CHEATER
A Notorious Cheat = LOSER ASADA
Asada is hated by other figure skaters
rkawkrhrnak1 6 months ago
Mao Asada is the most complete female skater of all times. Even though there are others with better jumping skills (Midori Ito) or better interpretation skills (Yu Na Kim). She is the only one who can put it all together
najurinajuri 7 months ago 3
I love how even in slo-mo her rotations are so quick........beautiful jump, though I still give the nod to Midori for having the best ladies triple axle.
Donnylutz00 9 months ago 2
This is hilarious
Melinda1688 10 months ago
ughh. just got my double. beasutiful!
ilynickjforever 10 months ago
pretty good does lean forward though a little too much but other then that nicely rotated
TheSkatinghellokitty 11 months ago
@TheSkatinghellokitty i was gonna say tht lol
ilynickjforever 10 months ago
amasing!!!!!!
FigureeSkateer 1 year ago
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pathetic Japanese......
everyone knows that her 3A is cheating. except you poor guys...
just accept it. don't deny the reality.
wake up from dream!!!! LOL
welkinnn 1 year ago
It's a triple axel... but the finest? Look up Midori Ito's triple axel and see who's better.
asdfghjkl9638 1 year ago
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why does her 3A's distance is so short?to think 3A was supposed to be the longest jump. i think yuna's 2A covers more distance(longer) than this. just curious.
akyinum44 1 year ago
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@akyinum44 that is the weakness of mao's jump. her jumps is jump, stays in the air, land. where as yuna is jump, move a wide distance as she jumps, lands. i mean. mao is like just spinning in the air in the same position whereas yuna is spinning in the air and moving accorss the ice. that is why yuna's jump is called textbook.
sumimimi0 1 year ago
STOP SAYING ALL THAT ABOUT MAO, YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN HER!!!
Music0Girl0 1 year ago 10
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crapy girl, result of eating too much shits.
JapMonkeyEatShits 1 year ago
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Every mao's video is full of triple axel crap story. What other things can she do except for under rotated triple axel? Is she going for triple axel competition? If I were her, I would spend more time trying to fix wrong edges, to be a faster skater (she is so slow) and to be musical. Not only techically, but artistically, she is just an average.
BradleyPak 1 year ago
She definitely has the skill, especially with this but I think she needs to mature more in terms of musicality and honing her talent rather than trying too hard with 3A. She has the potential...just not the patience, I guess.
Eviix03 1 year ago
Huh her 3A in this video is pretty good but before i came here i saw Midori's 3A so..
makes me wanna compare them but i wont
taylorlautnerS2 1 year ago
NO ONE is taking points off for pre-rotation, except for toeloop when its like a toe-axel. her axel is great . skid, tight rotation, maybe a little cheat on the end, but way less than a quarter, and that counts as clean these days.
rusicesk8ingirl 1 year ago
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Just saying, she wasn't cheated on the landing. the last slow mo showed a perfect landing. extra time even! but regardless, i think people greatly undervalue the difficulty involved in a jump such as this.
2thinkitive 1 year ago 2
@2thinkitive ?? i did say it might have been cheated but to quote whta i said earlier: her axel is great .
rusicesk8ingirl 1 year ago
why does everyone think her triple axel is so bad?there is no underrotation, figure skating experts have found her axels fully rotated in competition, if they were underrotated the judges wouldn't count them.shes the only person who can do it right now, i dont see any other women even attempting this jump.very few women have landed it in history.why is everyone so quick to critisize it?its not like any of you can do a triple axel.she is an amazing skater and people need to stop being so hateful.
cbarragan9 1 year ago 4
She can almost do spinning 4 times in the air! Amazing girl! <3 her
Strawnberry25 1 year ago
It is nice,that lady can do a 3 Axel . And she do it clean.
But.....every body here are so young and has no idea about womans witch was jumping it 17 years before Mao jump it... Midori Ito - ( same technique use Yagudin ) or special one by Tonya Harding.... Both womans jump it with + 3 Goe in new rules... How many pluses will get Mao ? I think than 0 ponits plus.
icekefka 1 year ago
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"Some have said that Mao has the finest triple axels of any skater."
"Some have said that Mao has the finest triple axels of any skater."....
can't stop laughing.... LOL
don't you see she needs more rotations??
lightlinton 1 year ago
@lightlinton
Show me a link to a triple axel with more rotations please.
GoFigureSkating 1 year ago 45
she has really enough rotation here. this is clear, GOE 3 tripple axel:))
zykitta 1 year ago 5
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@zykitta It's a shame you Japs try to pull the wool over ppl's eyes.
thanks to you guys, spoiled nippon princess will never grow up!!
lightlinton 1 year ago
I'm from europe....her axel here is absolutely fully rotated.
zykitta 1 year ago 41
@zykitta how is being from europe relevant?
Imogence 6 months ago
@Imogence
Earlier I noticed that the Korean and Japan fans don't like each other so much. So I only wanted to fix, that I don't belong to them at all...
zykitta 6 months ago
@zykitta Ah! Got it xD
Imogence 6 months ago
@lightlinton
hahaha, LOL on your post.
yeah, where's your video of triple axel with more rotations ?
SuperPloom 1 year ago
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@lightlinton I also wanna know who are "some". Japanese media or Mao's fan? lol can't stop laughing
BradleyPak 1 year ago
@lightlinton
you idiot she landed perfectly rotated, there was NO underrotation
ImmaculateRecovery 1 year ago 6
Xentradi97 but now we are at it I would like to know if yuna is your favorite skater and if yes what you find so special about her beacause i personnaly think she is a great skater but I just don't see anything special in her, ohh and i have a feeling that this discussion is gonna take a while therefor it would be best if you answered in my channel instead of this forum...
wsfggf 1 year ago
@wsfggf If Mao makes you happy good for you. You're her fan than it's fine. Most experts, skating fans and audience would agree Yuna is a once in a lifetime talent and an amazing skater not only in jumps, speed, looks, expression, musicality and artistic merit. And that's why she is the champion and Mao is not. If you can see it or appreciate it, too bad. You're an extreme minority that Yuna is not exceptional. Which is ur opinion. No need to argue further
Xentradi97 1 year ago
@Xentradi97 well I don't want to be rude but I have to point out that mao is two times world champion and a olympic silver medalist.. what she has achieved is the best evidence of what she is capabale of. I don't see why you seem to be insulted because that was diffenitly not what I tried to do. I like yuna kim as a skater although i have different oppinions about yuna and mao...
wsfggf 1 year ago
@wsfggf What makes you think I'm offended? I said you're entitled to your opinion as a fan. But most people disagrees with you. Which is a fact. And the scores, medals and accolades and praises all shows that. I'm merely trying to point out that the difference in opinion is not with me and you. But simply that you are a minority and majority does not assess like you. You seem to be having hard time grasping that concept.
Xentradi97 1 year ago
Xentradi97 mao is just a top skater by her determination to be it, and her hard work...
wsfggf 1 year ago
@wsfggf Engaging audience is part of skating so is inspiring them. Emoting them. Some skaters delivers it on all level. And if you think Mao is all about skating you're wrong. You obviously don't watch Mao's interviews back home in Japan. Her tears and her stories in front of Japanese press. It's obvious that Mao is your favorite and that's fine. But you have to understand, everyone of the skaters have determination and hard work. Mao is no exception in that regard. And she won silver.
Xentradi97 1 year ago
@Xentradi97 mao asada is really my favorite skater, and a reason for that is not only because her magnificent skating that has the hole package but also because she is one of the few skater's I enjoy watching and moves me by every program she does. she just makes me want to smile every time I watch her, and makes it look soo easy. although i am not from japan nor japanese i sometimes watch her interview and i have never get the impression of that she is saying anyhing wrong
wsfggf 1 year ago
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wsfggf 1 year ago
@wsfggf With new rule, I'm sure there'll be someone who'll even attempt 4A's and 5A's even in future but as you can see the focus would be on the technical aspect of jump not all around skating. That my friend will make skating boring. Why? Skating isn't just about the jumps. Yuna flirted and lit the audience. Joannie Rochette emoted and moved the audience. Mao just doesn't do that other than for her jumps. And she's much slower on the ice.
Xentradi97 1 year ago
@Xentradi97 well I agree on the part where you say skating isn't only about jumps, because I also think skating is alot more. but I have to say that even so mao delieves many jumps which i personnaly like, she delievers just as much of her artistic side..... she just doesn't flirt with the judges and the people who watches her. nor does she use personal isues to get the audience to pity her....
wsfggf 1 year ago
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wsfggf 1 year ago
@wsfggf There's new score of Yuna and Mao's past performance based on the new scoring system which by the way Japan's skating association pulled its heavy lobbying power to institute to favor Mao (which I think is rather unfair tactic as no other skaters get that kind of favors), Mao's scores get a boost and she considerably narrows her points gap with Yuna, however is STILL behind Yuna. Instead of trying to put down Yuna, Mao needs to ask why she lost and what she needs to do better.
Xentradi97 1 year ago
@Xentradi97 well if you have seen mao's past performences you probably have also seen that mao has improved from every season and she still does improve, just look at her old step sequences and spiral it's clear that she has and still does improve alot ( a thing I really like about her).... what japans skating association did does not ONLY favor mao but every other skater as well.
wsfggf 1 year ago
@wsfggf Mao is a great skater. No one doubts that. If it wasn't for Yuna, she'd have won the gold. Actually this Olympics, everyone threw down their A game. I've not seen so many clean and technically strong routines in one Olympic than I did in this one. However, it's very clear and most agree that she came short. And we know why. Her 3A is an amazing achievement. But most don't feel the magic in her routine the way Yuna Kim throws it down. Even Joannie Rochette had more emotion
Xentradi97 1 year ago
@wsfggf than Mao. And as for the new scoring system, sure other skaters will benefit from it too, but it's mainly Mao with 3A who would. And it was done by heavy lobbying from JSA. Big surprise. They want to ensure Mao gets a gold next time. So it becomes more about 3A again. Through out the season, I never seen Mao talk about anything but perfecting that 3A. Skating is not just about 3A and Yuna has clearly shown that by beating her without it.
Xentradi97 1 year ago
@Xentradi97 Xentradi97 I don't think that her program is only focused on her technical side , I think her artistic side is is just as incredible as everything else in her program is... but what makes the technical sometimes seem like the focus is because of her many jumps that are soo beautiful done without any diffeculty...
wsfggf 1 year ago
@wsfggf Yuna is the best all around skater while Mao focuses on technical aspect of skating namely Tripple Axel. And now she got her nations skating association to change the rule so that it would favor her skating. Not exactly fair but good start. She needs to get faster on the ice, choose better music that suits her better, better coach, and more expressive. If Yuna retires, Mao would win next gold for sure. But if she doesn't, these are things she needs to work on.
Xentradi97 1 year ago
@Xentradi97 ohh and another thing mao asada's tripple Axel double toe loop is much more diffecult than yuna kim's Tripple Lutz Tripple Loop combo, there is a reason why mao is the only one who was able to perform it... think about it.... and if you want to watch a tripple tripple combination watch a few of asada other performances.... everything yuna is able to do mao is able to do it even better. but yuna can't do anything which mao isn't able to!!!!
wsfggf 1 year ago
@wsfggf Well experts and majority of people disagrees with your assassment but you are free to think what you want. Speed wise, graceful wise, choreography and being one with music, Mao falls short to Yuna. Hers doesn't quite have that magic if not she'd have beaten Yuna no problem. Tripple axel is impressive yes, but TA DTL combo is less of revolution than Yuna's TL TL combo. TA alone is harder jump than TL I agree, but combo wise, Yuna's is harder, which is why Yuna gets more points.
Xentradi97 1 year ago
@Xentradi97 experts I would like to know who those expert are and please don't say scot hamilton he just seems to be a big fan of yuna.. majority of people well if those people watch figure skating and try to compare every element mao does like spirals spins, stepsequences, jumps.... with each other it's sooo clear that mao is superior. don't misunderstand I actually like them both and enjoy watching the rivally between them but for me mao asada is clearly the better skater than yuna....
wsfggf 1 year ago
@wsfggf Scott Hamilton is 2 time gold medal winner and skate champion. If he's not an expert then who is? And why shouldn't he be in awe with a skater who's simply fantastic? Gold medalist Kristi Yamaguchi, Nancy Kwan and 3 time Gold winner Katarina Witt all sang praises to Yuna and how her skating has pushed female skating to another stratosphere. Judges and fans also agree as Yuna got most of it. What other experts other than you think Yuna is boring or Mao is superior?
Xentradi97 1 year ago
@wsfggf While Mao is amazing skater and a well deserved champion on her own right, compare to Yuna, the only thing she has going for is the TA. That's it. And that simply wasn't enough. And hence the result. I wish her luck in next Olympics. It's a question mark whether Yuna would compete again or if she does whether she could at the level she did. Mao ought to have a decent shot at the gold.
Xentradi97 1 year ago
she lends to forward when she jumps.. her axel is very unique.. anyways her axel qualities were much better in 2008 than in 2009 or 2010. a lot of them were downgraded.
sumimimi0 1 year ago
@sumimimi0 Can you please post a video of your triple axel? We would like to see how to do it correctly as you say. I guess you do not lean as far forward when you do your triple axel. Would be great to see it.
GoFigureSkating 1 year ago 18
@GoFigureSkating i dunno how to explain but compare to other skaters like yuna kim and all others, she seems to lean forward or whatever. but i have never seen anyone jump an axel like her.. but i like her axel. she jumps very lightly.
sumimimi0 1 year ago
@GoFigureSkating
HAHA XOXO
ImmaculateRecovery 1 year ago
@GoFigureSkating don't be rude, now. it's just an opinion.
danedane101 7 months ago
@GoFigureSkating LOL!!!!!
tedsler 5 months ago
why do you guys insult her triple axel? could you do it? no you couldn't so even if it is underrotated (which its not) it doesn't matter because that still takes amazing skill and training and effort. if you can land a consistent, clean triple axel be my guest. and why can't we appreciate both Yu na AND mao? they're both amazing with different strengths. And does it matter if Ito had more power or whatever? Mao, Ito, Yu Na are all amazing so can we discuss it without totally bashing them?
cbarragan9 1 year ago 5
i loved watching this in the olympics!
gerardzor 1 year ago
Hey, how are you doing? Any new upload?
INA101a 1 year ago
@youtubo1073 I visited your site and see you are a Yuna fan Mao basher.
So you are sying that Yuna only does a single axel and no double axel. If you look at Yuna's double axle in slo mo, also in this site, you will see she does not do 2.5 rotation. By your standard she does not do 2 Clean fully rotated.
You do not understand how an axel is performed. 9 judges from 9 countries who are trained to know the difference counted this jump as fully rotated.
GoFigureSkating 1 year ago
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Woulditbeme 1 year ago
@GoFigureSkating yuna kim does do a 2.5 rotation in the air for her double axel. i don't know what the heck you are talking about. but it is true that mao asada's triples are not that good. midori ito's is sick.
ixsharon 1 year ago
GoFigureSkating, Why are you so inclined towards Mao and against Yuna? You eat a lot of sushi? bwajahahahahah
asitmc 2 years ago
I am not against Yuna!. I I like bot Mao and Yu Na. They are both beautiful skaters.
I am inclined to triple axels because I want to learn them. It is the hardest jump to learn for me. Even when under rotated is is harder then any other triple. Mao's are the best right now. I posted Harding, Ito, Nakanoa as well. I study them and post for my friends. If Yu Na does a 3A I will certainly post it. I did post Yuna's triple triple which is awesome.
Oh, and I do not like sushi.
GoFigureSkating 2 years ago
@GoFigureSkating Mao's Tripple Axel is beautiful yes, but it's also her focus on that technique that doomed her. She lacks speed, artistry and flair compared to Yuna and her choice of coach and music was aweful. And her tripple Axel double toe loop combo isn't as great as Yuna Tripple Lutz Tripple Loop combo.
Xentradi97 1 year ago
@Xentradi97 well I have have to strongly dissagree on that part I find yuna's program plain boring. where in comprehension mao just blows my away with her incredible jumps, her hard and fast step sequences, her beautiful extended spirals and spins, graceful and light, and becomes one with the music she chooses no matter if it's dark or light performence, she delievers a outstanding show everytime.... she has the hole package.....
wsfggf 1 year ago
I think she elected not to because even without it, she knows that she'd beat everyone else with showing off pretentiously their triple axel. Anyone agree?
asitmc 2 years ago
@ vutmat Yuna Kim was gorgeous. ;) Asada's 3A also improved a lot. Watching them were just priceless.
INA101a 2 years ago
It is not clearly backwards. Look again. It is 1/4 turn which is required to do an axel if you know anything about skating.
Check out Yu Na's Double axel also on this site. You will she she pre-rotates further than Mao does here!
Look at Mao's 3As from THIS YEAR 2010 4CC and JP Nat's They are magnificent! I am glad she stayed with it. It is truley paying off.
GoFigureSkating 2 years ago
Isn't it just me to think she took off backwards? Her rotations were... Maybe next time she can get a better chance, since she is really trying to get the hang of her 3A. Good luck!
INA101a 2 years ago 3
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Fortunately what you or the others think does not matter. The technical specialists and 9 judges at the competition did not think it was backwards and gave her credit. They are trained to see the difference
There are only two ladies doing 3As in competition now so there is not a lot to compare to. You can look at some 2As though. They all have the twist which is allowed.
The ice marks that are expcted are in theis image.
gofigureskating com/img/AxelMarks.jpg
invantix 2 years ago
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INA101a 2 years ago
I am so amazed at your commenting that there is no comparison to Asada's 3A. Most male single skaters do 3As. If her 3A should be counted in a different way from male skaters, a 8.2 basic point for her 3A should also be differently adjusted, I guess. Recently, judges start not to disregard her undeniable big pre- and under-rotations and give DG calls. I think this is rather fortunate to her, because she can perfect her 3A under their scrutinizing eyes.
INA101a 2 years ago
@INA101a
Learn canons - axel can suppose pre - rotation, cause it's costal jump, lol)
Where you were, when Sarah won the Olympics with more than quater pre- rotation and much more than quater under-rotation on every damed jumps?)
Salchow, Loop and Axel can be jumped with pre- rotation.
Lutz, Toeloop, Flip - no.
LigaSvobodu 1 year ago
@LigaSvobodu Why do you recite the difference between edge jumps and toe jumps, while specifically discussing the way to count revolutions? Be relevant at least, and read the ISU rules regarding the so-called the pre-rotations for axel jumps. Chao.
INA101a 1 year ago
@INA101a
Find the words in the ISU rules, that such technics as at Mao is forbidden) Bye.
LigaSvobodu 1 year ago
@LigaSvobodu Hey, who in the world did say 3A was forbidden under the ISU rules? You are incredibly off the topic. Don't reply me back ever again. Just do that much for me. Thanks.
INA101a 1 year ago
@INA101a Women are judged differently on many items. That is why they do not compete against each other. Ladies and men compete seperately in Freestyle, skiing, snow boarding, gymnastics, volley ball, soccer, swimming... They are judged against their peers of the same gender.
GoFigureSkating 1 year ago
@GoFigureSkating Women and men have different leagues, but the rule regarding ratification of jumps and its application are the same in figure skating. So what is your point?
INA101a 1 year ago
@INA101a You are correct that the rules regarding ratification should be the same.
GoFigureSkating 1 year ago
HAve you seen Mao's 3As from THIS YEAR 2010 4CC and JP Nat's They are magnificent! I am glad she stayed with it. It is truley paying off.
GoFigureSkating 2 years ago
@INA101a She pre-rotates the jump, much in the exact same way Evan Lysacek pre-rotates his triple axel. It's not a "glaring" error, as a 1/8 pre-rotation is normal for the majority of male skaters. Her and Evan both pre-rotate about 1/4, only slightly more than normal, it just doesn't make a fine looking jump. There is a -GOE assigned with this much pre-rotation, part of the reason why Mao and Evan never get really high marks on this jump.
DarrenInCA 1 year ago
@DarrenInCA You are right in the rule, but I would not have raised an issue if she prerotates only around 1/4 turn. Before the Olympics, Plush once complained about Evan's prerotated 3A such that "It is simply a 3S." That comment explains a lot about those whom you defend as a set. C:
INA101a 1 year ago
@INA101a To further clarify how this can be "normal" I just finished watching Tonya Harding's 1991 Skate America long program and looked at the slow motion they showed at the end of the clip of her triple axel.
Guess what? It's pre-rotated... by 1/4 a turn.
Midori Ito's triple axel... pre-rotated... by 1/4 a turn.
Guess NO lady has landed a "triple" axel then. I have YET to find a single lady who does less than 1/4 pre-rotation. If you find proof otherwise, please post!
DarrenInCA 1 year ago 3
@DarrenInCA Sure, look up Tuktamysheva on YouTube.
INA101a 1 year ago
@INA101a I've seen it, downloaded it, slow-motioned it. She still pre-rotates to almost exactly 1/4. Not as much as Mao does, but it's not "exact". She also cheats the landing as her foot lands a little more than sideways on the ice or exactly sideways.
Evgeni Plushenko pre-rotates 1/4 as well. Check out the Evgeni & Mao triple axel side by side video. His take-off foot is COMPLETELY sideways before he gets off the ice.
And with that, I rest my case.
DarrenInCA 1 year ago 5
@DarrenInCA Tuktamysheva has no prerotation in your standard that Asada makes only 1/4 turn. It is nice to initiate you who scream that no lady has ever landed 3A after Asada, though.
INA101a 1 year ago
@INA101a She pre-rotates the jump. Download it, look at it with the speed reduced to 15% of normal play speed, her foot is almost completely sideways before getting off the ice. That, is what we call, pre-rotation. It is a good jump, except for her cheated landing, with excellent air position, wonderful extension on the landing, and great speed into and out of it. But it is, by no means, perfect. In any sense of the word.
And I never said no one since Mao has landed it. Learn to READ!
DarrenInCA 1 year ago 3
@DarrenInCA Also, who in the world did blame Plush's 1/4 skidding? I've made it explicit over and over again that 1/4 skidding is legit. I did not raise any issue with the skating of Plush, Ito, and Harding. It is just you who talk about their skating as if they are cheating. Please, keep your suspicion to yourself before you "rest" your case since they are great in terms of jumping, at least.
INA101a 1 year ago
@INA101a I NEVER said they cheated. I just said they also do pre-rotation to 1/4 on their take-offs, which is NOT a glaring error. The people making a big deal about the pre-rotation are know nothings, with absolutely no grasp of jump mechanics. These are the same people who think toe-loops, salchows, and loops have no pre-rotation.
How about you take the time to actually comprehend what I am reading instead of trying to be insulting with your limited grasp of english grammar and syntax.
DarrenInCA 1 year ago 4
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@DarrenInCA I am sorry if I made you feel insulted. You do not need to act so touchy, though. ;)
INA101a 1 year ago
@DarrenInCA It is fun to find grammar errors in a post in which a person is bragging about his superior language skills. Hey, it is English, not english, and also there is no expression like "nothings". Does this prove that I read your posts well this time? Ciao, and "rest" your case for good.
INA101a 1 year ago
If you can do a triple axel like this one, even with 1/4 pre rotation, I would say you are an excellent skater. Sine only a few female skaters in the world can do this you would be one of the best!
GoFigureSkating 2 years ago
no i can't do a triple:L,but im a visual learner,so i notice little things, i could notice it at full speed.
amber96x 2 years ago
I didn't think you could do a 3A but if you could do one like this I would say you were one of the top 5 female skaters in the world..
All skaters pre-rotate jumps before leaving the ice. It is completely legal under the International Judging System that governs the sport of figure skating.
GoFigureSkating 2 years ago
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To GoFigureSkating.
You are absolutely right. Due to the nature of axel jumps, pre-rotation is inevitable, and that is why ISU recognizes the jump if the jump is less than quarter a turn underrotated. (GEO is another matter, though. It should be a shame if a 1/4 under-rotated jump gets any positive GEO)
But from this video clip, it is very clear that Mao pre-rotated at least half a turn in her triple axel, so Mao's jump should be downgraded. Simple as that.
brandonc84 2 years ago 3
This is a triple axel and an excellent one at that. The techinical panel and 9 judges from 9 countries agree that it is. Perhaps you think you know better than them.
A triple Axel can be Three +1/4 rotations. Check the IJS rules.
GoFigureSkating 2 years ago
Search Tonya Harding warmup triple axel.
That video shows a perfect textbook 3A WITH NO PREROTATION. It is how 3A should be done. Others doing the same preroation is not a valid excuse.
jwpapa 2 years ago 4
I have seen that amazing jump and made a slow motion video of it on this site. Midori Ito does a cleaner 3A (video also in this site)
It is not meant as an excuse. The point is that it is LEGAL under IJS judging system to pre-rotate a jump. The rule says that it may not be clearly backward (180 deg) This is about 90 deg rotated (LEGAL)
GoFigureSkating 2 years ago
BTW The landing here is moch more controlled than Tonya's, Ito's is the cleanest beginning to end. I still think Mao's air position is the best of all of the three.
GoFigureSkating 2 years ago
Better than Ito??? No way. BTW - Ito's bent leg (not in the 1992 Olympics) shows how strong she was. Her position in the air is perfect buy its strenght. Mao is very elegant, true. Tonya is little off axis but still she is a powerful skater and her Axels are huge.
Euxiphipops77 2 years ago
I did not say better than Ito. By "right now" I meant the best of the skaters competing right now.
When doing a 3A you either need to jump high or rotate fast. Ito and Harding were high. Asada is not as high but rotates fast. Mao is very tight and quick. I think the best air position of any of the bunch.
Harding was the highest. Amazing she could hold on to some of those they were so far off axis. She was very strong.
Ito probably had the perfect balance of height and rotation.
GoFigureSkating 2 years ago 3
@GoFigureSkating Ito's performance mirrors Mao's. Ito did Tripple Axel, again focusing on technicality against Kristi Yamaguchi who didn't do Tripple A but was a better skater overall. Ito lost. Yamaguchi won gold.
Xentradi97 1 year ago
So you call it clean because it's legal????
jwpapa 2 years ago
I am not saying it is clean because it is legal. I am saying that it is clean enough to be leagal.
Others are saying it is not a triple axel. Based on the rules it certainly is a triple axel. I have seen Ito's and Hardings and have already said those are cleaner.
She has done some of the best triple axels of any female skater currently competing (or in the past 10 years).
GoFigureSkating 2 years ago
practice? we talking about practice? anyone can look good in practice, did she ever have the confidence to do it in competition?
aswerty911 2 years ago
The video I was referring to was short enough for everyone to see easily and to compare. Among the related videos from that one you can see Tonya making cleaner 3A in real competitions just fine, reportedly the first ones by a female US athelete in real competitions. Unstable landing is one thing resulting from insufficient rotation, speed, height etc., prerotation is another, rather intentionally or by lack of proper coaching etc.
jwpapa 2 years ago 2
I just reviewed the Tonya harding practice video using dartfish. Tonya is clearly a quarter turn rotated before she leaves the ice. It is hard to see without super slow motion. Check again...
GoFigureSkating 2 years ago
You are right. Due to its difficulties, 3A for females often involve prerotation. Yet, Mao does it too much. Hers are barely three rotation due to a little more than half of prerotation and some more underrotation. Good eye!
jwpapa 2 years ago 3
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young0825 2 years ago
This was a the 2008 4 Continents Championships. The technical specialists, who can review the jump on video, called it clean, there were 9 judges and 2 judges gave it a +2 GOE three judges gave it a +1 GOE There were no negatives.
GoFigureSkating 2 years ago
beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!
bugnuget 2 years ago
she is sooo graceful
letitride94 2 years ago
That triple axel is clean as a whistle!!! She could compete against some senior men! She's doing it in combination now.
LilTSkater 2 years ago
beautiful jump!!!!! :)
bugnuget 2 years ago
like her dress, OH and her axel...
frizzheadgal 2 years ago