i think if you look at them seperately, you can enjoy both. The original stories and these old tv shows are good for mystery. The new movies are good and actually my favorite movies. They put a little bit of intelligence and humor into a thriller (as opposed to say, Fast and Furious). They both are awesome in my opinion, but the new ones definately show Holmes differentely than he's portrayed in Sir Conan O'Doyles's stories.
I like this novel,but it is really disgusting to slander Asians selling Opium. In fact, the British East Indian Company is the really biggst Opium smuggle company at that times
@Evilmike42@Evilmike42 I agree. There's a reason that movies, television shows and actors such as, Brett, Burke and Hardwicke are given such labels as "timeless and Classics" rarely do performances encompass everything envisioned by the author, these do. You can watch those actors 27 years later; and still find something you did not see before. The "Reboots" (I liked that) are pale imitations in comparison.
@cidspimms I like the new movies. Doyle probably would have too, seeing how Watson is portrayed as an intelligent man of action (much like in the stories) and not an incompetant buffoon (as in so many other versions, mainly the 1930's/40's versions). The best part of the new movies is that love them or hate them, they bring new viewers to the original stories, and the Granada version starring Brett. Many people forget that when these videos came out, Holmes purists gave Granada tons of grief.
@Evilmike42 Doyle would IMO more likely have been have been mystified by the film and Holmes being turned into a lowlife Indiana Jones, although it's not like Doyle was completely opposed to revisionist interpretations of his character, as when William Gillette (the first actor who portrayed Holmes on stage in a play in 1899) asked Doyle "May I marry Holmes?" (Holmes got a wife in that particular play)
Doyle's response
"You may marry him, murder him, do whatever you like with him"
@MrHoppers002 I'm not 100% opposed to revisionist interpretations of Sherlock Holmes. As far as a really imaginative revisionist take on Holmes I'll take Nicholas Meyer's 'The Seven Percent Solution' or even the BBC Benedict Cumberbatch/Martin Freeman series 'Sherlock', but IMHO the Guy Ritchie Sherlock Holmes movies take a "throw the baby out with the bathwater" approach that does nothing for me.
I'm not opposed to holmes revisions either however there are certain boundaries with the character. for example he is not a over the top action character as portrayed in the new film. It doesn't work that way. The best of holmes is to have a very good mystery, suspense, throw in some action here and there. But the whole thing is about the drama and the MYSTERY.
@MrHoppers002 Not a whole lot of needless action, YES ABSOLUTE! They ain't bloody hooligans for deity's sake, Holmes and Watson are gentlemen who would avoid violence if possible, not go around shooting and hurting people (however antagonistic they may be) without second thoughts! The new film digustingly does Sherlock Holmes absolutely no justice at all. It may be a good movie, but it might as well be named "Robert Downey Jr. and the Alternative Start to World War I".
Wow. They took a HUGE risk showing how drug addiction works and the inner workings of places like opium dens in the 19th century. If ever there was an anti-drug message it's here. Holmes's cocaine habit is, dare I say it, TAME compared to that.
@Imverycute2 That would be accurate, but in reality, most opium dens were nothing like the one shown here. They were more like informal social clubs, where men (mostly Chinese) would gather to gamble, smoke opium, and gossip. Most white people who took opium did so in the form of an alcohol derivative called Laudanum.
@Imverycute2 A bit of research into the prevailing attitudes of Victorian times. Most English would not have smoked opium because it was associated with the alien culture of the Chinese, and laudanum was the primary ingrediant in patent medicines of the time. Also, the depiction of the East End's Limehouse district as being teeming with morally bankrupt Chinese immigrants is poppycock because Limehouse never had more than a few hundred Chinese and, maybe, a half dozen opium dens.
There's an interesting bit about turn of the century opium houses in America vs England in "A Pickpocket's Tale" by Timothy Gilfoyle. In America, opium dens were noted for bringing together a broad range of classes and ethnicities.
Yes he did, Bell had written for The Strand Magazine reflecting on Doyle's days as a medical student
"You asked me about the kind of teaching to which Mr. Conan Doyle has so kindly referred, when speaking of ... Sherlock Holmes. Dr Conan Doyle has by his imaginative genius, made a great deal out of very little, and his warm remembrance of one of his old teachers has colored the picture."
'The New Annotated Sherlock Holmes by Leslie Klinger'
Toupee. When Edward Hardwick took the role, he wanted to resemble his predecessor, David Burke, as much as possible. He even wore lifts in his shoes for a while.
Ahhh the opium den where dreams are crushed and spirits of man are broken a place many have entered and so very few have left addiction truly is the scourge of man.....
Sorry to say, Granada Productions never did Study In Scarlet. I was looking for it too but apparently they never produced it. Sad...I was hoping that's the first thing they would do since it was when Watson first met Holmes :)
Regrettably, this is true. Brett HAD hoped to film and act the ENTIRE canon, but his health failed him too badly before he could complete his master project. In the later episodes, such as "The Dying Detective", you can really see how much he's beginning to deteriorate.
Yes, it is a tragedy... still I think he got to most of the great Holmes adventures... the Hound... Thor Bridge adn Abbey Grange... Cardboard Box and Solitary Cyclist (I've always had a particular fondness for that one- the first Holmes story I ever read) and a host more...
He is the BEST HOLMES...
And I think Hardwicke is really in the running for best Watson, Burke was good but Hardwicke seems such a better fit...
And even late ones like "Dying Detective" aare gold.
@jimmbo13 Agreed; there is something about Burke that makes him stand more equally with Holmes than Hardwicke. Though Hardwicke is still an excellent Watson in his own way.
@CassandraMotou Amen. Of all the vices in this world I swore to myself I would never ever touch drugs. It's just stupid to pay others to help me kill myself.
i think if you look at them seperately, you can enjoy both. The original stories and these old tv shows are good for mystery. The new movies are good and actually my favorite movies. They put a little bit of intelligence and humor into a thriller (as opposed to say, Fast and Furious). They both are awesome in my opinion, but the new ones definately show Holmes differentely than he's portrayed in Sir Conan O'Doyles's stories.
skeletalpigeon14 4 weeks ago
Stupid auto correct.... I meant Brett
thedashingmaverick 3 months ago
Jeremy Berry, like Connery, one of the best ever! A true gentlemens gentlemen. For yours is the kingdom of Heaven, Sir........
thedashingmaverick 3 months ago
I like this novel,but it is really disgusting to slander Asians selling Opium. In fact, the British East Indian Company is the really biggst Opium smuggle company at that times
217andersen 4 months ago
Love how Watson chucks down that paper and curses to himself.
Then moments later, "You're causing us no trouble at all, come in." XD
hzy126 4 months ago
white boring ass shit
jarvisthebox 5 months ago
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SMD, FUCK SHERLOCK.
1996flamethrower 9 months ago
Edward Hardwicke - 7 August, 1932 - 16 May, 2011. You will be missed by all who loved this series.
cidspimms 9 months ago 6
@cidspimms You know he's up there with Brett, probably laughing about the new Sherlock Holmes reboot movies.
Evilmike42 6 months ago
@Evilmike42 @Evilmike42 I agree. There's a reason that movies, television shows and actors such as, Brett, Burke and Hardwicke are given such labels as "timeless and Classics" rarely do performances encompass everything envisioned by the author, these do. You can watch those actors 27 years later; and still find something you did not see before. The "Reboots" (I liked that) are pale imitations in comparison.
cidspimms 6 months ago
@cidspimms I like the new movies. Doyle probably would have too, seeing how Watson is portrayed as an intelligent man of action (much like in the stories) and not an incompetant buffoon (as in so many other versions, mainly the 1930's/40's versions). The best part of the new movies is that love them or hate them, they bring new viewers to the original stories, and the Granada version starring Brett. Many people forget that when these videos came out, Holmes purists gave Granada tons of grief.
Evilmike42 6 months ago
@Evilmike42 Doyle would IMO more likely have been have been mystified by the film and Holmes being turned into a lowlife Indiana Jones, although it's not like Doyle was completely opposed to revisionist interpretations of his character, as when William Gillette (the first actor who portrayed Holmes on stage in a play in 1899) asked Doyle "May I marry Holmes?" (Holmes got a wife in that particular play)
Doyle's response
"You may marry him, murder him, do whatever you like with him"
cha5 5 months ago
oh please the granada version gave holmes class. The new movies did anything but that.
MrHoppers002 2 months ago
@MrHoppers002 You'll get no argument from me on that point, I really can't stand Robert Downey Jr's 'Hobo Holmes'.
cha5 2 months ago
@MrHoppers002 I'm not 100% opposed to revisionist interpretations of Sherlock Holmes. As far as a really imaginative revisionist take on Holmes I'll take Nicholas Meyer's 'The Seven Percent Solution' or even the BBC Benedict Cumberbatch/Martin Freeman series 'Sherlock', but IMHO the Guy Ritchie Sherlock Holmes movies take a "throw the baby out with the bathwater" approach that does nothing for me.
cha5 2 months ago
I'm not opposed to holmes revisions either however there are certain boundaries with the character. for example he is not a over the top action character as portrayed in the new film. It doesn't work that way. The best of holmes is to have a very good mystery, suspense, throw in some action here and there. But the whole thing is about the drama and the MYSTERY.
MrHoppers002 2 months ago 2
@MrHoppers002 Not a whole lot of needless action, YES ABSOLUTE! They ain't bloody hooligans for deity's sake, Holmes and Watson are gentlemen who would avoid violence if possible, not go around shooting and hurting people (however antagonistic they may be) without second thoughts! The new film digustingly does Sherlock Holmes absolutely no justice at all. It may be a good movie, but it might as well be named "Robert Downey Jr. and the Alternative Start to World War I".
crystadette 2 months ago 3
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cha5 5 months ago
The ambient noise reveals an opium addicted owl.
Fujiarmu 9 months ago 7
"I sometimes wonder if the men ever really truly grow up."
My answer: Nope.
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SYLVIERAUBde 1 year ago
Watson's own case: Find and return Isa Whitney home. Brought to a successful completion. Not assisted by Holmes in any way. :)
catherinespark 1 year ago 8
Watson's such a nice guy.
mirrorcleworld 1 year ago 7
i miss Burke.... :(
prolifeprincess 1 year ago 2
@prolifeprincess i'm a hardwicke lover, but i can understand seeing that burke was the original
jferkfjkj 1 year ago
One of the more predictible Holmes mysteries. Well not so much in live action but still.
silentbob8201 1 year ago
will you go with me?
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MrMrdswoods 1 year ago
Wow. They took a HUGE risk showing how drug addiction works and the inner workings of places like opium dens in the 19th century. If ever there was an anti-drug message it's here. Holmes's cocaine habit is, dare I say it, TAME compared to that.
Imverycute2 1 year ago
@Imverycute2 That would be accurate, but in reality, most opium dens were nothing like the one shown here. They were more like informal social clubs, where men (mostly Chinese) would gather to gamble, smoke opium, and gossip. Most white people who took opium did so in the form of an alcohol derivative called Laudanum.
2wingo 1 year ago
@2wingo May I ask how you know that? :)
Imverycute2 1 year ago
@Imverycute2 A bit of research into the prevailing attitudes of Victorian times. Most English would not have smoked opium because it was associated with the alien culture of the Chinese, and laudanum was the primary ingrediant in patent medicines of the time. Also, the depiction of the East End's Limehouse district as being teeming with morally bankrupt Chinese immigrants is poppycock because Limehouse never had more than a few hundred Chinese and, maybe, a half dozen opium dens.
2wingo 1 year ago
@2wingo Yes, but WHERE did you learn all this? What research did you look into? What books?
Imverycute2 1 year ago
@Imverycute2 Truth be told, I honestly can't remember. It was years ago. But I'll see if I can find the books and get back to you.
2wingo 1 year ago
There's an interesting bit about turn of the century opium houses in America vs England in "A Pickpocket's Tale" by Timothy Gilfoyle. In America, opium dens were noted for bringing together a broad range of classes and ethnicities.
Tpuppets 1 year ago
@Tpuppets That's... nice? It killed a broad range of classes and ethnicities as well. The same could perhaps be said about war.
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moviesfunnyg 2 years ago
Man, those people in that den are srsly fcked up.
tango2romeo 2 years ago
DID WATSON JUST SAY "WOOF" AT 7:20? LOL
yrti0121 2 years ago
Sherlock was an imitation of conan doyles teacher...dr joseph bell, of 2 meliville cresent.. he must have turned a few heads in his time!!
bagshitass 2 years ago 2
Yes he did, Bell had written for The Strand Magazine reflecting on Doyle's days as a medical student
"You asked me about the kind of teaching to which Mr. Conan Doyle has so kindly referred, when speaking of ... Sherlock Holmes. Dr Conan Doyle has by his imaginative genius, made a great deal out of very little, and his warm remembrance of one of his old teachers has colored the picture."
'The New Annotated Sherlock Holmes by Leslie Klinger'
A modest man certainly.
cha5 2 years ago 4
i want watson, (edward hardwicke) to be my dad or grandad :)
he's so calm and pleasant
yrti0121 2 years ago 9
@yrti0121 Watson is a consummate gentleman, always. A dead breed. Reject the myth of progress.
Jitpring 1 year ago 13
thanks for letting me know
MrKnight1978 2 years ago
HE HE, this is the same stuff they use in hospitals for post-op pain relief today. But they call it morphine now.
hornetobiker 2 years ago
Watson has this first mission all for himself XD He looks much better with more hair on his head...or is that a wig?
And lol at Mrs Whitney and Hudson's comment. It's true that most men will forever be like boys...but I like them that way (depending on the situation)
JTeamjesters 2 years ago 2
Toupee. When Edward Hardwick took the role, he wanted to resemble his predecessor, David Burke, as much as possible. He even wore lifts in his shoes for a while.
HorrorFrogPrincess 2 years ago 3
Ahhh the opium den where dreams are crushed and spirits of man are broken a place many have entered and so very few have left addiction truly is the scourge of man.....
74powers 2 years ago 3
does anybody have study in scarlett with jeremey brett playing sherlock holms because i can't find it anywhere thanks.
MrKnight1978 2 years ago
Sorry to say, Granada Productions never did Study In Scarlet. I was looking for it too but apparently they never produced it. Sad...I was hoping that's the first thing they would do since it was when Watson first met Holmes :)
JTeamjesters 2 years ago
Regrettably, this is true. Brett HAD hoped to film and act the ENTIRE canon, but his health failed him too badly before he could complete his master project. In the later episodes, such as "The Dying Detective", you can really see how much he's beginning to deteriorate.
Shangas 2 years ago 5
Yes, it is a tragedy... still I think he got to most of the great Holmes adventures... the Hound... Thor Bridge adn Abbey Grange... Cardboard Box and Solitary Cyclist (I've always had a particular fondness for that one- the first Holmes story I ever read) and a host more...
He is the BEST HOLMES...
And I think Hardwicke is really in the running for best Watson, Burke was good but Hardwicke seems such a better fit...
And even late ones like "Dying Detective" aare gold.
To Brett!
obiwanobiwan13 2 years ago 5
I used to agree...but I find Burke more forceful and magnetic as Watson
jimmbo13 1 year ago 4
@jimmbo13 Agreed; there is something about Burke that makes him stand more equally with Holmes than Hardwicke. Though Hardwicke is still an excellent Watson in his own way.
RapidEdge 1 year ago
Probably had something to do with the fact both actors were too old to play 20 something year old characters ;) or um soemthing
silentbob8201 2 years ago
Wow they really conveyed the vileness of it all very well :-x o_o
ShawDAMAN 2 years ago 2
I think I would have liked 19th century London. I can see myself popping in to the Opium Den after a hard day's work!
DrZenith 2 years ago 2
Well, pretty soon you wouldn't be able to do a hard day's work if you did that.
TheLittleRussian2 2 years ago 37
thank you for posting
thefovea 2 years ago
Upper Swanden Lane should have an alternate name: "Tortuga." :D
changingowl10 2 years ago 11
Yay! \m/
ThreePipeProblem 2 years ago
"And what am I to tell Mr. Holmes should he return?"
"Tell him I've disappeared without a trace."
The more I watch this show the more I adore it.
TheCripplerChick 2 years ago 57
You should read the original stories then, if you haven't yet.
TheLittleRussian2 2 years ago
Secret Agent Watson!!
ericthefrootbat 2 years ago 11
well, that just reinforced my vow to never do drugs... *shudders*
CassandraMotou 2 years ago 11
I was just about to say that very thing. They should show this to high schools.
GodsWildfire 2 years ago 6
indeed. personally, i like my brain cells where there are. cant imagine doing anything like this
CassandraMotou 2 years ago 8
No kidding.
Mosflow 2 years ago
@CassandraMotou Amen. Of all the vices in this world I swore to myself I would never ever touch drugs. It's just stupid to pay others to help me kill myself.
Adlea13 2 years ago 3