i honestly don't really care about dokdo. has anyone actually asked what is the significance of this island, like whats going to happen if the koreans (hypothetically speaking) do claim the island back?
i mean fair enough that people were killed who lived on that island but you know-is it really necessary?
Hey, Japan. Are you trying to move whole your people to that tiny island when Fukushima shit gets real? I heard 2 workers died last week and you still have not evacuated your own bloody people. I don't believe whatever any Japanese say anymore since the Sendai earthquake. Good luck with over million becquerel of plutonium/cesium/ etc. and stop dumping radio' water to the sea. its appalling, disgusting. you must be atrociously crazy from all those radioactive spills.
Japan needs to understand that ROK is going to rip out Japan's spine if it doesn't back down its Takeshima claims. Japan is making ROK believe that Japan wants to own the Korean peninsula again like during the colonial days. I like to see what happens when the ROK finally decides to unleash its entire Marine Corps force and half of it's ROKA infantry battalions on Japan just to convince them on how ridiculously stupid their claim sounds. GOOD LUCK JAPAN! YOU FUCKING RATS!
@TheMrm00ncaken01 and another thing. If you're gonna say: dude lol no fck off. DOKDO IS OURS, IT BELONGS TO JAPAN! Well, then you chose a wrong place to mess around, fella. Look. If you "forgot" what your ancestors had done to my ancestors (meaning I'm Korean), then well you are a one little retarded faggot. Oh. And happy birthday. Here is your cake: ㅗ
@TheMrm00ncaken01 I quite lolled when you said all the schools taught Korean lol. Yes, true. Except Japanese was declared as national launguage, while Korean was called "Korean" (meaning foreign language fcktard). Also, Korea grew because of Japan? Yeah you can call that true too. But hm you don't seem to realize that you guys didn't even pay the workers there lol.
(cont) Can you be quite to show your decency,your humanity? Have you ever think about the reason why Germany which involved two world war and yet respected by it's neighbour while Japan was NOT ? German accept they were wrong ,Japan is not . German doesn't lie about horrible thing they did(Jews) during war , Japan does(comfort women). Moreover Japan even claims Islands from neighbouring country! .
@bongogtr When and who said Japan did nothing wrong? Japan crossed the border for the new fuel and personnel and made tons of victims by the war. It's true. That's why Japan still keeps apologizing and pay compensation. It's a propaganda made by Korea and China, that Japanese school is teaching nothing about the war,
However It's also true the purpose of invasion was liberation of Asia from western colonization and making their independency. (cont)
@bongogtr (cont) How can you explain Japan trained Burma and Indonesia's independence army and approved their independence, not colonized them, after fighting off England and Netherland? Why are still songs praising Japanese army sung in some Asian countries? Why Japan helped Chinese and Indian revolutionaries and Kenya who were eager to be independent from western colonization and invasion? You must strongly believe Japan was greedy evil country. But colonialism was not what Japan had aimed.
@bongogtr Do you think greedy racist imperialistic country submitted 'Racial Equality proposal' at Paris conference in 1919? BTW, comfort woman itself was not illegal at the time. Almost every countries had their own legal prostitutes for soldiers. Korea too had own comfort women even after the WW2, such as at Korean war and Vietnam war. They were not forced, but voluntary for making money. When Japanese govt found women who were forced to do prostitution, they executed criminals immediately.
@TheMrm00ncaken01 There is saying " Thing which quack like duck which walk like duck which look like duck is duck " You know it and I know it ,sex slave under name of " comfort woman" are true . Yes, indeed Japanese police did horrible thing, Japanese government did horrible thing ! Many women from Holland , China , Philippines, Taiwan , Korea witnessed it. at least if you can't saying decent things to these poor women whose life was completely ruined by Japanese government ,
I know that some Japanese people (not all) said everythings are Japanese include Dokdo. It is not true. They said Korean language, Kim Chi(Korean tranditional food) is also from Japan. They like kids who can't be satisfied. They are rumor makers. ;D Hey Japanese? If you don't stop do that, God would punish you.
(cont) If they find any young girl they grab and drag the girl away , parent of girls kneel down crying ,begging not to take away their daughters but only kicked and beat. At that era , Korean farmers kept mound of straw to feed their live stock on their front yard of house , and my mom told me these Japanese policemen plunge their bayonet into straw mound to find out if there is any girl hiding inside.
@TheMrsm00caken01 I was born In 1950s, I didn't experience Japanese colonial rule, But my mother did. My mom was born in 1924 in Korean peninsula during Japanese rule, When I was young, whenever my mom mentioned "Japanese" , I always saw fear in her eye even it was long after Japan defeated from Korean peninsula. My mom told me during colonial rule , Japanese policemen came and search every room of the house to find girls to kidnap in order to use them as "comfort women"
@bongogtr Do you have any objective evidences? Not testimonies. As a matter of fact, once Japanese broker put advertisements in newspapers, many Korean women "voluntarily" joined Japanese army as prostitutes.According to the report of UNITED STATES OFFICE OF WAR INFORMATION in Burma(1944.10.1), a "comfort girl" is nothing more than a prostitute or "professional camp follower" and they could earn 1~2000 yen per month, while Japanese soldiers earned only 15~25 yen, and even get loan in advance.・・・
Why did Japanese policemen need to kidnap 'girls' at a "risk" of getting arrested and losing their jobs, when Japan had already enough comfort 'women'? Give me a break! Stop lying. If your story is true,why did not your parents and grand parents sue Japan after the war, f.e. at Tokyo trial? They could let Japanese apologize however many times they wanted and grab compensation from Japan. You're really born in 1950? your profile says 29 y/o.
(cont) I'll let you know interesting facts. Japanese police officers had been busy themselves catching Korean 'malicious' dealers who'd kidnapped girls in villages and cities to sell them to brothels.
「Osaka Asahi News southern Korea edition」(1.MAR.1938)
"One Korean woman kidnapped girls in Seoul"
「Osaka Asahi News southern Korea edition」(30.MAR.1938)
"Japanese police tightened control over kidnapping by Koreans"
@TheMrm00ncaken01 The funny this is, at the time, many Japanese were just blaming Koreans as a scapegoat for all these horrible actions. In actuality, it was their own people who committed those crimes but used Koreans as a backup to make Koreans look bad. JAPS are horrible horrible people.
@bongogtr (cont) Moreover, Japanese made an effort to protect Korean women and actually made some laws that improved Korean women's status. They finally could have rights of 're-marriage', 'property inheritance' and 'self-managing prostitution'. Japan also abolished notorious atrocious class system which used to torture ordinary civilians in Korea.
Do you still think Japanese police did such horrible things?
@TheMrm00ncaken01 how bout the attempt to eradicate the Korean Hangul? attempt to eradicate Korean arts and traditions? attempt to enforce Japanese Culture in korea by force? taking half of korea's annual harvest during the colonization? murder of the Korean Queen? Imjin waeran? the japanese didnt just affect korea. it (it,not they) affected China as well. Nanjing? remember? Japs are fucking greedy monkeys and got what they deserved in WWII. 대~한민국!!!
@FrontalViolator The fact is opposite. Japanese govt made an effort to increase literacy by building 6000 schools and teaching Hangul in compulsory education. Because of that, Korea's literacy had increased from less than 10 % to 65 % during occupation. Moreover, Japanese scholars Inoue and Fukuzawa helped to make Korea's first Hangul newspaper 한성주보 in 1886. Yes, as you know, Japan forced them to learn Japanese too. No one deny it. But I want you to know this fact too.
@TheMrm00ncaken01 I take it you know this from the Japanese History Text books? fuck off, there are interviews of people who lived during the colonization, and they all said "han gul was forbidden."
@TheMrm00ncaken01 word limit. let me continue they said "hangul was fobidden in public areas. we had to speak japanese in public areas and hangul had to be learned in private. We also had to adopt new
@FrontalViolator Source of my information is not Japanese textbooks, because they rarely write good things Japanese had done during the war.hahaha. My knowledge is based on undeniable historical facts can be seen in documents and datas, not subjective evidences like testimonies. 한성주보 was demolished just because of economic problem. Please see the fact with unbiased eyes.
@FrontalViolator How could they ban use of Korean language,while 80% Koreans couldn't speak Japanese and every schools taught Korean language even to Japanese students in Korea too? What for? I've heard same claim from Koreans many times,but it's not true. Do you notice the contradict? Japan compelled all Koreans to study Korean and then prohibited them to use? Makes no sense! General Minami PROTESTED Pak JeongHui against abolition of Korean and set Seoul language as standard language in Korea.
@TheMrm00ncaken01 names." there are people who lost their names during the colonization. and the 한성주보 was published in 1886, but was demolished in 1888. coincidence? i think not. and they built
@FrontalViolator As for names. It was not forced, but application. Here is the evidence. Please Google this→"創氏改名の真実.jpg" How can you explain about remained tons of family registers, documents and banknotes of Korean officers, teachers, comfort women, and soldiers describing their own Korean names. If Japan forcibly robbed their names, why could some Korean soldiers retaining Korean name joined the army and even get decorated for the medals by the Emperor?
@TheMrm00ncaken01 schools, modernized korea, increased literacy for one simple reason. The harvest. they wanted part of it. they modernized Korea just to take half of the annual harvest from korea.
@FrontalViolator Harvest. By Japan's investment to Korea,Korea got more profit than Japan. Farmers got to be able to stand on their feet by farming since farms had been divided to them by Japan.To avoid getting complaint from Koreans about inequality, Japanese in the Korean government-general made an effort to protect them.When in Korea was a serious poor crop due to big drought in 1940, they limited the amount of export of rice (6.05→0.43million goku) and prevented starvation in Korea. (cont)
@FrontalViolator When they got complaint from Japanese about price inequality between J&K (the price of Japanese rise went down 40% due to imported Korean rice), they bought products from Koreans to protect their profits. In 1941,Korean farmers could get 50 yen per goku when the market price was 43 yen per goku. Because of their efforts,Koreans could earn money by selling rice,as a proof,their average calorie intake and life span increased drastically. Can you still say it was exploitation?
I'm not really sure what the site of conduct is and why you banned TheMrm00ncaken01.
I'm curious as to WHERE you draw the line between BAD and ACCEPTABLE comments so as not unintentionally to cross that line.
As long as you ban someone like this, it makes anyone replying to TheMrm00 look a loser who can only yelp around only while TheMrm is not present here to counter their arguments.
Thank you for blocking me yesterday.(I changed my account). I didn't anything violating YT policy. I just had logical discussion here. You blocked me just because you thought nobody would be able to refute me, didn't you? Is this your way? You always block unfavorable comments? Sigh...
Okay, I'll answer yours but not here. This youtuber sucks and he would block anyone with unfavorable opinion. So selective and unbalanced that I don't see any worthwhile in making discussion here. In fact he blocked TheMrsmooncakeno1 even she(probably) didn't insult anyone or use slur words. What a coward! (saying this on her behalf :)
Anyway, I'll leave and go around other places such as:
that most of the comfort women never spoke out about their experiences, but took their secrets to their graves.
(Many of them never even returned to their homes after the war ended, out of shame. Some decided to speak out only after all their family members had died, due to shame.) The right-wingers completely overlook all the unspeakable pain and suffering that Japan caused to these women.
I don't wish to get into a debate about comfort women.
The Japanese obviously destroyed all the documents relating to comfort women at the end of WWII, so you won't believe what I say, and I won't believe what you say.
The right-wing Japanese just want to deny that women were forced into sexual slavery.
They take advantage of the fact that for Asian women, such an experience was so shameful, so unspeakable,
@jhk6411 If they(comfort women) don't speak out about their experiences, how did you know about their experiences without objective evidences, and how did you know Japan destroyed all the documents? And why some women could begin to speak out after the 46 years long silence? How do you think about that?
It has nothing to do with right-wings or nationalists, but they just know the fact.
I was actually mistaken about something I said before.
I said that Japan enslaved hundreds of thousands of Koreans for its war effort and forced tens of thousands of Korean women into sexual slavery for its military.
But it actually turns out that Japan enslaved more than 5 million Koreans for its war effort, and 100,000s of them died due to harsh treatment and inhumane working conditions.
And as many as 100,000 Korean women were forced into sexual slavery. (most of them died during the war)
The Truth of Japan's annexation of the Korean Peninsula
(in three volumes)
A KOREAN professor of Kaya University in South Korea, who speaks out about the Truth of Japan's annexation of the Korean Peninsula. He was born in Korea 1923 during the Japanese rule, so he knows Korea during the Japanese rule.
Those Korean formed a group consisting of 2,000 and stormed the office of the Japan's Prime Minister.
Then prime minister asked the U.S. troop stationed in Japan for help.
Korean like to self-portrait themselves as if they have been always tragic heroins or something, but the fact is hell no!
Say anything what you want to say, but all the effort they've done and they will do to claim its sovereignty will never come true as long as Japan keep claiming the dominion of the island.
At that time no one (incl. the U.S) acknowledge Korea was victorious country (of course not! duh?)
They illegally came to Japan and seized many buildings and killed many Japanese and raped hundreds of thousands Japanese women, even in daylight!
At that time, the Japanese police were not allowed to carry a gun, but Korean could, so the Japanese police could do nothing to protect Japanese people from those bastards.
@JapanLongLive777 They illegally came to Japan and seized many buildings and killed many Japanese and raped hundreds of thousands Japanese women, even in daylight! ----> Do u have any proof? Rather, didn't Jap killed a lot of Korean cuz they just needed to get victim for sacrifice to excuse gigantic earthquake in 1927?
Moreover, How can they owe a gun under the fucking control of Japanese government?
If Korean really hated being protected and controlled by the Empire of Japan, why didn't they join and support Russia or China in the time of the Russo-Japan War and the Sino-Japan war?
They were just hiding behind our back and watching who was going to win, weren't they?
They never fought war with Japan but after the war ended, they started to shout loud without the least shame, "We are the victor" and started killing, raping Japanese people going back to Japan.
@JapanLongLive777 Korean really hated Jap but Japanese govt. seriously forced normal Korean to join their criminal troops by using economical means. (e.g. Stop retribution of food)
@JapanLongLive777 Japanese govt. seriously forced normal Korean to join their criminal troops by using economical means. (e.g. Stop distribution of food)
Korean never hid, rather they made an effort to save their nation from illegal Jap's action.
u said we never joined Russia or China but we really did. Most of Korean who joined Jap's army surrendered to alied force and did their best to release their homeland.
Before you say sth, I ask you plz watch your mouth.
@jhk6411 Pretty much. Most of Japanese don't even know that much about this issue. But the number of people studying this issue and arming with knowledge is dramatically increasing, because we hear the news about Koreans' provocative actions like everyday. We want to solve it peacefully at the ICJ. Please prepare some money for compensation for murdered 44 people and captured 3929 people.
(The atrocities they commited during that war are still legendary. So is all the looting that they did.)
As if that weren't enough, Japan colonized Korea in the first half of 20th Century and treated Koreans like animals.
Brutally killing anyone who opposed them, enslaving hundreds of thousands for its war effort, forcing tens of thousands of Korean women into sexual slavery ("comfort women"), and at one point even considering eradicating the Korean race.
Sorry, but Dokdo will never be Korean territory as long as Japan just pick a piece of paper saying "it's ours" and gets it to the post office for the ICJ at the right time.
>"The important thing is that he declared to the Japanese authorities Ulleungdo and Usando (Takeshima and Matsushima) are Korean territories. And the Japanese did not protest."<
I can't believe I have to repeat myself over and over again.
This information is recorded in your own JAPANESE records.
Google search: "Ahn Yong Bok and Dokdo – Takeshima II"
Japan's Murakawa records recorded Ahn's 1696 visit in detail.
What Ahn said to the Japanese, and what Japanese said to him, etc, etc.
>"the area of the island in concern(Uldo county) should be 80 ris(32km) in length and 50 ris(20km) in the width."<
They were most likely talking about just the combined land area of the islands. (not including the sea area)
As I keep saying, back then Korea didn't have any steam ships or sophisticated technologies that allowed them to measure long distances at sea accurately. So it's highly unlikely that they would have tried to calculate the combined sea area encompassed by Uldo County.
@jhk6411 >So most likely "80 RI by 50 RI" was either the area of just Ulleungdo Island, or the combined land area of all the islands in Uldo County.<
Stupid logic. Korean government itself said Usando belonged to Uldo county in the IE#41. Since actual Dokdo was 92 km far from Ulleungdo, they at least have to add the annotation that explained Usando was actually distant from them. I don't wanna hear your excuses anymore, like Korea didn't have technology at the era yada yada yada...
>you believe everything Ahn Yong bok said, even though Korean government accused him for perjury.<
I don't necessarily believe everything he said.
The important thing is that he declared to the Japanese authorities Ulleungdo and Usando (Takeshima and Matsushima) are Korean territories. And the Japanese did not protest.
That's all I'm saying.
It's a FACT that he came to Japan in 1696 to protest that Usando (Matsushima) is Korean territory, and that the Japanese did not argue with him. A fact.
@jhk6411 >The important thing is that he declared to the Japanese authorities Ulleungdo and Usando (Takeshima and Matsushima) are Korean territories. And the Japanese did not protest.<
That's the lie that you must not believe. He boasted he'd grabbed a document from Tottori's daimyo, which said Japan admitted Takeshima was Korean. But, in reality, this document is never ever found and daimyo was absent because he was in Edo at the time due to the "alternate attendance". (cont)
@jhk6411 (cont) Plus, even Korean officers punished him for perjury(Mar.1697). If you still want to believe him, please keep believing Usando(Matsushima) located in NORTHWEST of Ulleungdo as he said.
>why did Korean government have to use Cholla's dialect at such an important edict?<
The edict did not have anything to do with Cholla dialect.
Ulleungdo locals called Liancourt Rocks ‘Dok-Seom’. (which was a Cholla dialect)
‘Dok-Seom’ means “rock island” in Cholla dialect.
When the Korean govt issued the 1900 edict, they took the meaning of the name ‘Dok-Seom’ and chose to write it as 石島. (They chose to emphasize the meaning, “rock island”.)
@jhk6411 You don't believe the newspaper (which said GwanEumDo has 'stone/rock statue of Buddah'), but you believe everything Ahn Yong bok said, even though Korean government accused him for perjury. It's ridiculous.
@jhk6411 >So if you named one of them '石島', how could you be sure which islet you were talking about?<
So is Dokdo! If you name Dokdo "石島", how could you be sure which islet is Dokdo while there is no description where 石島 located and Dokdo was actually far distant from them? It would make more complicated to identify them!
You prove by yourself that to name Dokdo "石島" is very illogical.
@jhk6411 >On this map, Ulleungdo is drawn as a large mountainous island, and Usando is drawn as a small, very mountainous island.<
How can you bring such an inaccurate maps as evidences? lol. How can you convince people that the one island depicted close to Ulleungdo is Dokdo which actually consists of 2 islets far far away from Ulleungdo, while an exact look-alike island actually exists at the same position? Usando=Jukdo. Period.
(Inspector Kim In-u returned from Usando and brought local products as tribute, including large bamboo, seal skins, raw ramie cloth, silk wool, and wood (trees). He also brought back three residents of the place. There were fifteen families living on the island for a total of 86 men and women)
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Dokdo could have none of them (trees, animals, residents and inhabitants).
Google search: "Donggyeong San Cheon (東京山川) - Paldo Jido (八道地圖)"
If you look at the national map of Korea, you again see Ulleungdo drawn as a large mountainous island, and Usando is drawn as a small, very mountainous island.
@jhk6411 >Usando couldn't have been Jukdo, b/c Jukdo looks like a flat tabletop.<
Sorry, I couldn't stop laughing. Do you emphasize the pictural accuracy over the geodetic accuracy everytime you see/show maps? I wonder if you realize how unreasonable your argument is.
@jhk6411 Firstly, old Korean language was different from modern Korean. Any evidence that proves they used to pronounce 石島 "Dok-Seom" before 1900? Secondly, granted they called 石島 "Dok-Seom" at the time, why did Korean government have to use Cholla's dialect at such an important edict?? Any evidence that prove government used Cholla's dialect other than this?
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>Dokdo looks a lot more "rocky" than GwanEumDo. 石島 is Dokdo.<
As I said before, 石島 came from 石"仏"島.(Donga Ilbo 1928.9.8)
There were only two times when Dokdo’s name was written as 石島. (Both times it was Korea's central govt that wrote it that way, in 1900 and 1906.)
All other times, it was written as 獨島.
Since Ulleung Magstrate Shim wrote Dokdo as 獨島, and warship Niitaka’s logbook also recorded the name as 獨島 (having gotten the information from Koreans on Ulleungdo), the Ulleungdo locals probably wrote Dokdo as 獨島.
And since most people wrote it as 獨島, this name probably stuck.
(Takeshima and Matsushima are labeled as Korean territory in many old Japanese maps. Even maps made in 1903 and 1936 said the two islands are Korean territory.
It was a long-held belief among Japanese that both islands were Korean.)
Even Nakai Yozaburo (the one who asked the Japanese govt to incorporate Dokdo into Japan) said later in a 'personal history' that he initially believed Dokdo was Korean territory and was going to request the Korean govt to lease the island.
But he was dissuaded by Japanese officials; he was persuaded to submit the request to the Japanese government instead.
Japanese Navy Admiral Kimotsuki Kenko, in particular, convinced Nakai into believing that Dokdo was not Korean territory, but an ownerless island. Admiral Kimotsuki also emphasized to Nakai that he should ask the Japanese govt to INCORPORATE Dokdo into Japan.
With the backing of Admiral Kimotsuki and Fishery Bureau Director Maki Bokushin (who were expansionist-minded), Nakai submitted a "Request for Territorial Incorporation of Liancourt Island and Its Lease" on Sept 29, 1904 to the Japanese Home Ministry.
However, the Japanese Home Ministry rejected his application, saying that "the gains [from incorporating Dokdo] would be extremely small, while the situation would become grave if the acquisition of a barren islet suspected of being Korean territory...would amplify the suspicions of various foreign countries that Japan had an ambition to annex Korea."
So, even the Japanese Home Ministry believed that Dokdo was Korean territory, and it opposed Japan's incorporation of Dokdo.
Nakai was then helped by Yamaza Enjiro, the Japanese Foreign Ministry’s Political Affairs Director. (who was a right-wing nationalist and expansionist-minded)
Nakai submitted his request to the Japanese Foreign Ministry, where Yamaza pushed to have it approved.
Yamaza said that "The incorporation [of Dokdo] is urgent particularly under the present situation, and it is absolutely necessary and advisable to construct watchtowers and install wireless or submarine cable and keep watch on the hostile warships."
Yamaza and Japan's Foreign Minister, Komura Jutaro (who was also expansionist-minded), played a key role in having Nakai's request approved by the Japanese govt.
Komura Jutaro was deeply involved with Japanese interests in Korea and the Asian mainland well before the incorporation of Dokdo. He was involved in increasing Japan's influence in Korea since the 1890s, and played a central role in the colonization of Korea.
Now, Komura was very much aware of Dokdo’s strategic importance.
From "dokdo-takeshima":
"Records from Japan’s Russo~Japanese War (1904~1905) archives detail how Komura Jutaro received telegrams on an almost daily basis reporting the location of Russia’s approaching Baltic Fleet.
A mere two weeks before annexing Dokdo, Komura was sent a message confirming Russia’s Navy would be sailing through Dokdo’s adjacent waters en-route to Vladivostok. To help posture for the battle, Komura, with the help of Admiral Kimotsuki, surveyed Dokdo, annexed the island and then installed watchtowers there."
(The battle that Japan was preparing for was the Battle of Tsushima, which took place in May 1905, in which the Japanese Navy decisively defeated the Russian Navy.)
In 1904-1905, Japan was fighting the Russo-Japanese War. It was fighting naval battles with Russia in the Korea/East Sea region.
After successfully engaging the Russia's Vladivostok fleet in Aug. 1904, Japan was installing watch towers and telegraph lines in Ulleungdo and all along Korea's coasts.
In Sept 1904, while Japanese warship Niitaka was performing this mission, it initially surveyed Dokdo. (It also learned that Russian warships were visiting the area, and reported it to the Navy).
The Japanese Navy then performed a full survey of Dokdo and deemed it suitable for military use, and submitted a feasibility report for the construction of naval watchtowers and telegraph station on Dokdo to Admiral Kimotsuki on January 5th 1905.
@jhk6411 >why did Shim Heung Taek urgently contact the king when he found out of Dokdo's annexation?<
Do you have any evidences that prove he recognized Dokdo accurately, like where it located, how to get there, how it looked like etc. He just claimed it verbally, didn't he? He reminds me of Ahn Yong-Bok. I highly doubt they both recognized it. Sorry, it's my assumption but, even though they didn't know what island Japanese were talking about, they tried to claim its dominion for the moment.
>"So regular people would've had no idea what 石島 was."
>ROFL. So, you have no idea why 石島 was 獨島 too! <
Regular people don't spend countless hours studying the Dokdo dispute. I have.
(Although, these days more and more Koreans are becoming interested in it.)
If Dokdo wasn't included as part of Uldo County in the 1900 edict, why did Shim Heung Taek urgently contact the king when he found out of Dokdo's annexation?
The king and the rest of the govt also knew that Dokdo was part of Uldo County.
ur..i know japs suck in Eng but plz at least TRY to make some comments in Eng
coz no one can understand but yer people
one more thing Aoi sora foreva
hjoonl94 23 hours ago
i honestly don't really care about dokdo. has anyone actually asked what is the significance of this island, like whats going to happen if the koreans (hypothetically speaking) do claim the island back?
i mean fair enough that people were killed who lived on that island but you know-is it really necessary?
david412100 1 day ago
I like him. I was waiting for this kind of people for a long time.
Enough419 1 day ago
according to
Confidential U.S. Lot58 D118 and D637 Records of the Office of Northeast Asian Affairs, Japan Subject Files, 1947-1956, Reel39,
"...As regards the island of Dokdo, otherwise known as Takeshima or Liancourt Rocks,
this normally uninhabited rock formation was according to our information never treated as part of Korea and,
since about 1905, has been under the jurisdiction of the Oki Islands Branch Office of Shimane Prefecture of Japan. ..
For the Secretary of State:
Dean Rusk
"
mha01471 1 day ago
Hey, Japan. Are you trying to move whole your people to that tiny island when Fukushima shit gets real? I heard 2 workers died last week and you still have not evacuated your own bloody people. I don't believe whatever any Japanese say anymore since the Sendai earthquake. Good luck with over million becquerel of plutonium/cesium/ etc. and stop dumping radio' water to the sea. its appalling, disgusting. you must be atrociously crazy from all those radioactive spills.
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한국의 여러분. 틀림을 인정해서 변경하는 것은 부끄러운 것이 아닙니다.
그러나 틀림을 인정하지 않는 것은 어리석습니다.
다케시마(竹島)는 일본의 영토입니다.
韓国の皆さん。間違いを認めて改めるのは恥ずかしいことでありません。
でも間違いを認めないのは愚かなことです。
竹島は日本の領土です。
yusuke19840923 1 day ago
私たちは本当に反省しなければします。
これは本当に恥ずかしいです。
独島は私たちの地ではない。
sibalnyun1 2 days ago
@sibalnyun1 Your Japanese doesn't make sense. Stop pretending to be one. We know you're Korean
MDAKyouranKazokuNikk 1 day ago
Dokdo is Korean Territory... who doesn't know?
sowhy1251 3 days ago
@sowhy1251
I don't.
DigitalHawkins 1 day ago
@DigitalHawkins WHY?
sowhy1251 1 day ago
@sowhy1251
What do you mean "Why"? Don't you know the San Francisco Peace Treaty?
DigitalHawkins 1 day ago
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JapanLongLive777 4 days ago
世界にもいるんだね！頭のおかしな人ｗ
サンフランシスコ条約よく勉強してから発言しな！ｗ
syouneneigakurabu 4 days ago
@syouneneigakurabu
この人に都合の悪いこと言うとBANされるだけだよ。
Pro-Koreanだからね。
韓国人の機嫌取ってれば韓国でやってるビジネスに好都合だと思ってるんじゃない？
実際このYoutuber歴史知識少ないしね。
JapanLongLive777 3 days ago
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Thanks you very much
BaZroa 5 days ago
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Japan needs to understand that ROK is going to rip out Japan's spine if it doesn't back down its Takeshima claims. Japan is making ROK believe that Japan wants to own the Korean peninsula again like during the colonial days. I like to see what happens when the ROK finally decides to unleash its entire Marine Corps force and half of it's ROKA infantry battalions on Japan just to convince them on how ridiculously stupid their claim sounds. GOOD LUCK JAPAN! YOU FUCKING RATS!
lemons6187 5 days ago
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Thanks for make this video. I'll cheer korean!!
TekTekKorea 6 days ago
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근데 문제는 일본 학생들의 교과서에 독도는 일본땅이라고 적혀있는게 문제의 원인입니다.
kimyiyeon2 6 days ago
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동영상 잘봤습니다
kimyiyeon2 6 days ago
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13. Allied Powers omitted Dokdo in San-Francisco "Convention of Japanese consolidation.
14. UN army included Dokdo to Korean territory
smilewoo1 1 week ago
12. According to the {Agreement of territorial arrange of former Japan} issued by Allied Powers, "Dokdo is Korean territory."
smilewoo1 1 week ago
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11.The Allied Powers proclaimed a military order to return Dokdo to Korea in January 1946.
smilewoo1 1 week ago
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11.The Allied Powers proclaimed a military order to return Dokdo to Korea in January 1946.
smilewoo1 1 week ago
9. In 1900 Korean empire in the royal order No 41 proclaimed to the whole world that Dokdo is a Korean territory.
10. Japan occupied Dokdo in 1905 by force.
smilewoo1 1 week ago
7. The highest government organization in Japan (Daejungkwan) decided that Dokdo had to be a Korean territory
8. In the end of 19th century Korean empire indicated Dokdo as the Korean territory.
smilewoo1 1 week ago
5. In the 19th century Japanese Meyji Government issued an official document confirming that Dokdo and Ulungdo Islands belonged to Korean territory.
smilewoo1 1 week ago
3. Ancient Japanese documents and maps recorded that Dokdo was a Korean territory
4. In the end of the 17th century Japanese government confirmed Dokdo as Korean territory
smilewoo1 1 week ago
1. DOKDO is the Korean territory since 512 A.D.
2. French geographer Danvil indicated Dokdo as a Korean territory in his "complete map of Chosun Kingdom"
smilewoo1 1 week ago
@TheMrm00ncaken01 and another thing. If you're gonna say: dude lol no fck off. DOKDO IS OURS, IT BELONGS TO JAPAN! Well, then you chose a wrong place to mess around, fella. Look. If you "forgot" what your ancestors had done to my ancestors (meaning I'm Korean), then well you are a one little retarded faggot. Oh. And happy birthday. Here is your cake: ㅗ
dkim2039 1 week ago
@TheMrm00ncaken01 I quite lolled when you said all the schools taught Korean lol. Yes, true. Except Japanese was declared as national launguage, while Korean was called "Korean" (meaning foreign language fcktard). Also, Korea grew because of Japan? Yeah you can call that true too. But hm you don't seem to realize that you guys didn't even pay the workers there lol.
dkim2039 1 week ago
(cont)My account was created by my relative who happen to be 29years old .
bongogtr 1 week ago
(cont) Can you be quite to show your decency,your humanity? Have you ever think about the reason why Germany which involved two world war and yet respected by it's neighbour while Japan was NOT ? German accept they were wrong ,Japan is not . German doesn't lie about horrible thing they did(Jews) during war , Japan does(comfort women). Moreover Japan even claims Islands from neighbouring country! .
bongogtr 1 week ago
@bongogtr When and who said Japan did nothing wrong? Japan crossed the border for the new fuel and personnel and made tons of victims by the war. It's true. That's why Japan still keeps apologizing and pay compensation. It's a propaganda made by Korea and China, that Japanese school is teaching nothing about the war,
However It's also true the purpose of invasion was liberation of Asia from western colonization and making their independency. (cont)
TheMrm00ncaken01 1 week ago
@bongogtr (cont) How can you explain Japan trained Burma and Indonesia's independence army and approved their independence, not colonized them, after fighting off England and Netherland? Why are still songs praising Japanese army sung in some Asian countries? Why Japan helped Chinese and Indian revolutionaries and Kenya who were eager to be independent from western colonization and invasion? You must strongly believe Japan was greedy evil country. But colonialism was not what Japan had aimed.
TheMrm00ncaken01 1 week ago
@bongogtr Do you think greedy racist imperialistic country submitted 'Racial Equality proposal' at Paris conference in 1919? BTW, comfort woman itself was not illegal at the time. Almost every countries had their own legal prostitutes for soldiers. Korea too had own comfort women even after the WW2, such as at Korean war and Vietnam war. They were not forced, but voluntary for making money. When Japanese govt found women who were forced to do prostitution, they executed criminals immediately.
TheMrm00ncaken01 1 week ago
@TheMrm00ncaken01 There is saying " Thing which quack like duck which walk like duck which look like duck is duck " You know it and I know it ,sex slave under name of " comfort woman" are true . Yes, indeed Japanese police did horrible thing, Japanese government did horrible thing ! Many women from Holland , China , Philippines, Taiwan , Korea witnessed it. at least if you can't saying decent things to these poor women whose life was completely ruined by Japanese government ,
bongogtr 1 week ago
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I know that some Japanese people (not all) said everythings are Japanese include Dokdo. It is not true. They said Korean language, Kim Chi(Korean tranditional food) is also from Japan. They like kids who can't be satisfied. They are rumor makers. ;D Hey Japanese? If you don't stop do that, God would punish you.
title220 1 week ago
(cont) If they find any young girl they grab and drag the girl away , parent of girls kneel down crying ,begging not to take away their daughters but only kicked and beat. At that era , Korean farmers kept mound of straw to feed their live stock on their front yard of house , and my mom told me these Japanese policemen plunge their bayonet into straw mound to find out if there is any girl hiding inside.
bongogtr 1 week ago
@TheMrsm00caken01 I was born In 1950s, I didn't experience Japanese colonial rule, But my mother did. My mom was born in 1924 in Korean peninsula during Japanese rule, When I was young, whenever my mom mentioned "Japanese" , I always saw fear in her eye even it was long after Japan defeated from Korean peninsula. My mom told me during colonial rule , Japanese policemen came and search every room of the house to find girls to kidnap in order to use them as "comfort women"
bongogtr 1 week ago
@bongogtr Do you have any objective evidences? Not testimonies. As a matter of fact, once Japanese broker put advertisements in newspapers, many Korean women "voluntarily" joined Japanese army as prostitutes.According to the report of UNITED STATES OFFICE OF WAR INFORMATION in Burma(1944.10.1), a "comfort girl" is nothing more than a prostitute or "professional camp follower" and they could earn 1~2000 yen per month, while Japanese soldiers earned only 15~25 yen, and even get loan in advance.・・・
TheMrm00ncaken01 1 week ago
(cont) And they were fairly treated by soldiers."
Why did Japanese policemen need to kidnap 'girls' at a "risk" of getting arrested and losing their jobs, when Japan had already enough comfort 'women'? Give me a break! Stop lying. If your story is true,why did not your parents and grand parents sue Japan after the war, f.e. at Tokyo trial? They could let Japanese apologize however many times they wanted and grab compensation from Japan. You're really born in 1950? your profile says 29 y/o.
TheMrm00ncaken01 1 week ago
(cont) I'll let you know interesting facts. Japanese police officers had been busy themselves catching Korean 'malicious' dealers who'd kidnapped girls in villages and cities to sell them to brothels.
「Osaka Asahi News southern Korea edition」(1.MAR.1938)
"One Korean woman kidnapped girls in Seoul"
「Osaka Asahi News southern Korea edition」(30.MAR.1938)
"Japanese police tightened control over kidnapping by Koreans"
TheMrm00ncaken01 1 week ago
(cont)
「Osaka Asahi News west Korea edition」(31.Aug.1939)
"Japanese police arrested many Koreans who kidnapped girls in Busan to sell them to brothels"
「Osaka Asahi News southern Korea edition」(21.Nov.1939)
"Japanese police finally caught Korean dealer who kidnapped girls"
「Osaka Asahi News southern Korea edition」(21.MAY.1940)
"One Korean man kidnapped a rich housewife"
「Osaka Asahi News west Korea edition」(28.JUN.1940)
"One Korean kidnapped poor girls to sell them to brothels"
TheMrm00ncaken01 1 week ago
@TheMrm00ncaken01 The funny this is, at the time, many Japanese were just blaming Koreans as a scapegoat for all these horrible actions. In actuality, it was their own people who committed those crimes but used Koreans as a backup to make Koreans look bad. JAPS are horrible horrible people.
superkoo8 1 week ago
@bongogtr (cont) Moreover, Japanese made an effort to protect Korean women and actually made some laws that improved Korean women's status. They finally could have rights of 're-marriage', 'property inheritance' and 'self-managing prostitution'. Japan also abolished notorious atrocious class system which used to torture ordinary civilians in Korea.
Do you still think Japanese police did such horrible things?
TheMrm00ncaken01 1 week ago
@TheMrm00ncaken01 how bout the attempt to eradicate the Korean Hangul? attempt to eradicate Korean arts and traditions? attempt to enforce Japanese Culture in korea by force? taking half of korea's annual harvest during the colonization? murder of the Korean Queen? Imjin waeran? the japanese didnt just affect korea. it (it,not they) affected China as well. Nanjing? remember? Japs are fucking greedy monkeys and got what they deserved in WWII. 대~한민국!!!
FrontalViolator 1 week ago
@FrontalViolator The fact is opposite. Japanese govt made an effort to increase literacy by building 6000 schools and teaching Hangul in compulsory education. Because of that, Korea's literacy had increased from less than 10 % to 65 % during occupation. Moreover, Japanese scholars Inoue and Fukuzawa helped to make Korea's first Hangul newspaper 한성주보 in 1886. Yes, as you know, Japan forced them to learn Japanese too. No one deny it. But I want you to know this fact too.
TheMrm00ncaken01 1 week ago
@TheMrm00ncaken01 I take it you know this from the Japanese History Text books? fuck off, there are interviews of people who lived during the colonization, and they all said "han gul was forbidden."
FrontalViolator 1 week ago
@TheMrm00ncaken01 word limit. let me continue they said "hangul was fobidden in public areas. we had to speak japanese in public areas and hangul had to be learned in private. We also had to adopt new
FrontalViolator 1 week ago
@FrontalViolator Source of my information is not Japanese textbooks, because they rarely write good things Japanese had done during the war.hahaha. My knowledge is based on undeniable historical facts can be seen in documents and datas, not subjective evidences like testimonies. 한성주보 was demolished just because of economic problem. Please see the fact with unbiased eyes.
TheMrm00ncaken01 1 week ago
@FrontalViolator How could they ban use of Korean language,while 80% Koreans couldn't speak Japanese and every schools taught Korean language even to Japanese students in Korea too? What for? I've heard same claim from Koreans many times,but it's not true. Do you notice the contradict? Japan compelled all Koreans to study Korean and then prohibited them to use? Makes no sense! General Minami PROTESTED Pak JeongHui against abolition of Korean and set Seoul language as standard language in Korea.
TheMrm00ncaken01 1 week ago
@TheMrm00ncaken01 names." there are people who lost their names during the colonization. and the 한성주보 was published in 1886, but was demolished in 1888. coincidence? i think not. and they built
FrontalViolator 1 week ago
@FrontalViolator As for names. It was not forced, but application. Here is the evidence. Please Google this→"創氏改名の真実.jpg" How can you explain about remained tons of family registers, documents and banknotes of Korean officers, teachers, comfort women, and soldiers describing their own Korean names. If Japan forcibly robbed their names, why could some Korean soldiers retaining Korean name joined the army and even get decorated for the medals by the Emperor?
TheMrm00ncaken01 1 week ago
@TheMrm00ncaken01 schools, modernized korea, increased literacy for one simple reason. The harvest. they wanted part of it. they modernized Korea just to take half of the annual harvest from korea.
FrontalViolator 1 week ago
@FrontalViolator Harvest. By Japan's investment to Korea,Korea got more profit than Japan. Farmers got to be able to stand on their feet by farming since farms had been divided to them by Japan.To avoid getting complaint from Koreans about inequality, Japanese in the Korean government-general made an effort to protect them.When in Korea was a serious poor crop due to big drought in 1940, they limited the amount of export of rice (6.05→0.43million goku) and prevented starvation in Korea. (cont)
TheMrm00ncaken01 1 week ago
@FrontalViolator When they got complaint from Japanese about price inequality between J&K (the price of Japanese rise went down 40% due to imported Korean rice), they bought products from Koreans to protect their profits. In 1941,Korean farmers could get 50 yen per goku when the market price was 43 yen per goku. Because of their efforts,Koreans could earn money by selling rice,as a proof,their average calorie intake and life span increased drastically. Can you still say it was exploitation?
TheMrm00ncaken01 1 week ago
@TheMrm00ncaken01 I told you were banned once. Blocked again and reported. come back with another name; Youtube will be monitoring your IP address.
bundangbear 1 week ago
@bundangbear
Let me ask you one thing.
Why did you have to block TheMrm00ncaken01?
I'm not really sure what the site of conduct is and why you banned TheMrm00ncaken01.
I'm curious as to WHERE you draw the line between BAD and ACCEPTABLE comments so as not unintentionally to cross that line.
As long as you ban someone like this, it makes anyone replying to TheMrm00 look a loser who can only yelp around only while TheMrm is not present here to counter their arguments.
JapanLongLive777 1 week ago
@TheMrm00ncaken01 so you deny that japan has abused Korea, and has abused China?
FrontalViolator 1 week ago
@TheMrm00ncaken01 its because you spammed this video. I respect your nationality for the Japanese. wait, no i dont! *trollface*
FrontalViolator 1 week ago
@TheMrm00ncaken01 Rape of Nanjing. Look it up. its not just Korea. Its also China. Dokdo is Korean. fuck off
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ydukorea 1 week ago
full support for u, bundangbear. this is why all koreans love u
AZNmanJJ 1 week ago
@bundangbear
Thank you for blocking me yesterday.(I changed my account). I didn't anything violating YT policy. I just had logical discussion here. You blocked me just because you thought nobody would be able to refute me, didn't you? Is this your way? You always block unfavorable comments? Sigh...
TheMrsm00caken01 2 weeks ago
@jhk6411
Okay, I'll answer yours but not here. This youtuber sucks and he would block anyone with unfavorable opinion. So selective and unbalanced that I don't see any worthwhile in making discussion here. In fact he blocked TheMrsmooncakeno1 even she(probably) didn't insult anyone or use slur words. What a coward! (saying this on her behalf :)
Anyway, I'll leave and go around other places such as:
COMFORT WOMEN ISSUE
watch?v=O-N8Dm9CAy8
or
Comfort Woman
watch?v=V-UwU1-RVW
JapanLongLive777 2 weeks ago
(cont'd)
Some Japanese have apologized for the sufferings that Japan caused to other Asian people. And I applaud them.
But right-wing Japanese are just incomprehensible.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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that most of the comfort women never spoke out about their experiences, but took their secrets to their graves.
(Many of them never even returned to their homes after the war ended, out of shame. Some decided to speak out only after all their family members had died, due to shame.) The right-wingers completely overlook all the unspeakable pain and suffering that Japan caused to these women.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
@JapanLongLive777,
I don't wish to get into a debate about comfort women.
The Japanese obviously destroyed all the documents relating to comfort women at the end of WWII, so you won't believe what I say, and I won't believe what you say.
The right-wing Japanese just want to deny that women were forced into sexual slavery.
They take advantage of the fact that for Asian women, such an experience was so shameful, so unspeakable,
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
@jhk6411
That's your choice. I'm not coercing anyone to involve in any debate.
Bye
JapanLongLive777 2 weeks ago
@jhk6411 If they(comfort women) don't speak out about their experiences, how did you know about their experiences without objective evidences, and how did you know Japan destroyed all the documents? And why some women could begin to speak out after the 46 years long silence? How do you think about that?
It has nothing to do with right-wings or nationalists, but they just know the fact.
TheMrsm00caken01 2 weeks ago
I was actually mistaken about something I said before.
I said that Japan enslaved hundreds of thousands of Koreans for its war effort and forced tens of thousands of Korean women into sexual slavery for its military.
But it actually turns out that Japan enslaved more than 5 million Koreans for its war effort, and 100,000s of them died due to harsh treatment and inhumane working conditions.
And as many as 100,000 Korean women were forced into sexual slavery. (most of them died during the war)
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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The Truth of Japan's annexation of the Korean Peninsula
(in three volumes)
A KOREAN professor of Kaya University in South Korea, who speaks out about the Truth of Japan's annexation of the Korean Peninsula. He was born in Korea 1923 during the Japanese rule, so he knows Korea during the Japanese rule.
vol.1
watch?v=wMl68yFHdg4
vol.2
watch?v=9YNWP5vwSXk
vol.3
watch?v=VJTvubkJ9Os
JapanLongLive777 2 weeks ago
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JapanLongLive777 2 weeks ago
Those Korean formed a group consisting of 2,000 and stormed the office of the Japan's Prime Minister.
Then prime minister asked the U.S. troop stationed in Japan for help.
Korean like to self-portrait themselves as if they have been always tragic heroins or something, but the fact is hell no!
Say anything what you want to say, but all the effort they've done and they will do to claim its sovereignty will never come true as long as Japan keep claiming the dominion of the island.
Vain effort.
JapanLongLive777 2 weeks ago
At that time no one (incl. the U.S) acknowledge Korea was victorious country (of course not! duh?)
They illegally came to Japan and seized many buildings and killed many Japanese and raped hundreds of thousands Japanese women, even in daylight!
At that time, the Japanese police were not allowed to carry a gun, but Korean could, so the Japanese police could do nothing to protect Japanese people from those bastards.
JapanLongLive777 2 weeks ago
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>[Koreans] killed many Japanese and raped hundreds of thousands Japanese women, even in daylight!<
God, you right-wing Japanese are just nutty.
The only account of Koreans raping Japanese after the end of WWII was in a FICTIONAL NOVEL written by a Japanese-American woman.
This english-language book was once used in U.S. schools, but now it's been banned b/c it's been found to be full of distortions and fabrications.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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>[Koreans] illegally came to Japan and seized many buildings and killed many Japanese<
Evidence please?
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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@JapanLongLive777 They illegally came to Japan and seized many buildings and killed many Japanese and raped hundreds of thousands Japanese women, even in daylight! ----> Do u have any proof? Rather, didn't Jap killed a lot of Korean cuz they just needed to get victim for sacrifice to excuse gigantic earthquake in 1927?
Moreover, How can they owe a gun under the fucking control of Japanese government?
TimeConsumer1110 1 week ago
If Korean really hated being protected and controlled by the Empire of Japan, why didn't they join and support Russia or China in the time of the Russo-Japan War and the Sino-Japan war?
They were just hiding behind our back and watching who was going to win, weren't they?
They never fought war with Japan but after the war ended, they started to shout loud without the least shame, "We are the victor" and started killing, raping Japanese people going back to Japan.
JapanLongLive777 2 weeks ago
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@JapanLongLive777 Korean really hated Jap but Japanese govt. seriously forced normal Korean to join their criminal troops by using economical means. (e.g. Stop retribution of food)
TimeConsumer1110 1 week ago
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@JapanLongLive777 Japanese govt. seriously forced normal Korean to join their criminal troops by using economical means. (e.g. Stop distribution of food)
Korean never hid, rather they made an effort to save their nation from illegal Jap's action.
u said we never joined Russia or China but we really did. Most of Korean who joined Jap's army surrendered to alied force and did their best to release their homeland.
Before you say sth, I ask you plz watch your mouth.
TimeConsumer1110 1 week ago
you speaking good Korean language^^ and You are right ~It's a Korea Land ^^
seomoonho 2 weeks ago
yeah, well, it's getting really tiresome to talk to you as well.
it's like talking to a brick wall.
do only the weirdest Japanese care about Dokdo/Takeshima??
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
@jhk6411 Pretty much. Most of Japanese don't even know that much about this issue. But the number of people studying this issue and arming with knowledge is dramatically increasing, because we hear the news about Koreans' provocative actions like everyday. We want to solve it peacefully at the ICJ. Please prepare some money for compensation for murdered 44 people and captured 3929 people.
TheMrsmooncakeno1 2 weeks ago
@TheMrsmooncakeno1 You've had your opportunity to voice your opinions. Now you're DONE~! Sayonara!
bundangbear 2 weeks ago
@TheMrsmooncakeno1
You are great, your argument has been so logical from the start while the argument done by the opponent are full of wishfulthingking.
He's just been cherrypicking, ignoring obvious contradictions.
I want to see both of you battle a war of words again, but somewhere else, not here. This youtuber sucks.
Again, TheMrsmooncakeno1 you are great!
JapanLongLive777 2 weeks ago
>Please prepare some money for compensation for murdered 44 people and captured 3929 people.<
Yeah? What about compensation for the millions of Koreans Japanese have killed since long ago? And all that they've stolen from Korea?
Since the beginning, Japan has been the bane of Korea's existence.
Since the 13th Century, Japanese pirates raided Korea countless times.
In the 1590s, Japan invaded Korea unprovoked and devastated the country, killing 1/10 of Korean population.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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(The atrocities they commited during that war are still legendary. So is all the looting that they did.)
As if that weren't enough, Japan colonized Korea in the first half of 20th Century and treated Koreans like animals.
Brutally killing anyone who opposed them, enslaving hundreds of thousands for its war effort, forcing tens of thousands of Korean women into sexual slavery ("comfort women"), and at one point even considering eradicating the Korean race.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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And as if THAT weren't enough, now Japan wants to steal Dokdo from Korea.
Well, Korea will never give up Dokdo.
Extreme Japanese such as you may try, but the truth concerning Dokdo will prevail.
Dokdo will always be Korean territory.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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@jhk6411
>Dokdo will always be Korean territory.
Sorry, but Dokdo will never be Korean territory as long as Japan just pick a piece of paper saying "it's ours" and gets it to the post office for the ICJ at the right time.
This is a unshakable fact.
JapanLongLive777 2 weeks ago
@jhk6411 YES. there are millions of Japanese that also hate their government and think imperialism is wrong!~
bundangbear 2 weeks ago
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jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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@bundangbear
Yes, there are Japanese who admit that Dokdo is Korean territory and that Japan shouldn't claim it.
Every Korean believes Dokdo is Korean, but only a few Japanese believe Dokdo is Japanese.
The bad thing is that these few Japanese are very vocal and very influential in Japanese govt. Now even the Japanese PM says that Dokdo is Japanese..
This is why Koreans must do their utmost to defend Dokdo.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
@bundangbear now THOSE japanese people I like. Ones who hate their government. I hope they can influence their ideas all over Japan
AZNmanJJ 1 week ago
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>"The important thing is that he declared to the Japanese authorities Ulleungdo and Usando (Takeshima and Matsushima) are Korean territories. And the Japanese did not protest."<
I can't believe I have to repeat myself over and over again.
This information is recorded in your own JAPANESE records.
Google search: "Ahn Yong Bok and Dokdo – Takeshima II"
Japan's Murakawa records recorded Ahn's 1696 visit in detail.
What Ahn said to the Japanese, and what Japanese said to him, etc, etc.
-sigh-
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
>"the area of the island in concern(Uldo county) should be 80 ris(32km) in length and 50 ris(20km) in the width."<
They were most likely talking about just the combined land area of the islands. (not including the sea area)
As I keep saying, back then Korea didn't have any steam ships or sophisticated technologies that allowed them to measure long distances at sea accurately. So it's highly unlikely that they would have tried to calculate the combined sea area encompassed by Uldo County.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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In fact, in some old maps of Ulleungdo Island it says the dimensions of the island are 60 RI by 40 RI.
In others maps it says the dimensions are 80 RI by 50 RI.
So most likely "80 RI by 50 RI" was either the area of just Ulleungdo Island, or the combined land area of all the islands in Uldo County.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
@jhk6411 >So most likely "80 RI by 50 RI" was either the area of just Ulleungdo Island, or the combined land area of all the islands in Uldo County.<
Stupid logic. Korean government itself said Usando belonged to Uldo county in the IE#41. Since actual Dokdo was 92 km far from Ulleungdo, they at least have to add the annotation that explained Usando was actually distant from them. I don't wanna hear your excuses anymore, like Korea didn't have technology at the era yada yada yada...
TheMrsmooncakeno1 2 weeks ago
>you believe everything Ahn Yong bok said, even though Korean government accused him for perjury.<
I don't necessarily believe everything he said.
The important thing is that he declared to the Japanese authorities Ulleungdo and Usando (Takeshima and Matsushima) are Korean territories. And the Japanese did not protest.
That's all I'm saying.
It's a FACT that he came to Japan in 1696 to protest that Usando (Matsushima) is Korean territory, and that the Japanese did not argue with him. A fact.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
@jhk6411 >The important thing is that he declared to the Japanese authorities Ulleungdo and Usando (Takeshima and Matsushima) are Korean territories. And the Japanese did not protest.<
That's the lie that you must not believe. He boasted he'd grabbed a document from Tottori's daimyo, which said Japan admitted Takeshima was Korean. But, in reality, this document is never ever found and daimyo was absent because he was in Edo at the time due to the "alternate attendance". (cont)
TheMrsmooncakeno1 2 weeks ago
@jhk6411 (cont) Plus, even Korean officers punished him for perjury(Mar.1697). If you still want to believe him, please keep believing Usando(Matsushima) located in NORTHWEST of Ulleungdo as he said.
TheMrsmooncakeno1 2 weeks ago
>Any evidence that proves they used to pronounce 石島 "Dok-Seom" before 1900? <
In Cholla Province, they pronounce 돌 (Dol) as 독 (Dok). This is a very old and well-known dialect.
Small, rocky islands were called 'Dok-Seom' in Cholla Province.
Some were written as 石島, and others as 獨島, but they were all pronounced 'Dok-Seom'.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
>why did Korean government have to use Cholla's dialect at such an important edict?<
The edict did not have anything to do with Cholla dialect.
Ulleungdo locals called Liancourt Rocks ‘Dok-Seom’. (which was a Cholla dialect)
‘Dok-Seom’ means “rock island” in Cholla dialect.
When the Korean govt issued the 1900 edict, they took the meaning of the name ‘Dok-Seom’ and chose to write it as 石島. (They chose to emphasize the meaning, “rock island”.)
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
(cont’d)
But in standard Korean, 石島 is pronounced ‘Seok-Do’ or ‘Dol-Seom’. In Cholla dialect, it’s pronounced ‘Seok-Do’ or ‘Dok-Seom’.
Perhaps this confusion as to the pronunciation of 石島 is one of the reasons the govt scrapped 石島 and chose to go with 獨島 instead.
(獨島 is pronounced ‘Dok-Do’ or ‘Dok-Seom’. So there was no mistake as to the pronunciation.)
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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jhk6411 2 weeks ago
>As I said before, 石島 came from 石"仏"島.<
That's silly. If you change '石仏島' to '石島', the name loses all its individuality whatsoever.
If you change '鬱陵島' to '鬱島', the name is still distinct.
But if you change '石仏島' to '石島', the name loses all distinctness.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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@jhk6411 >Ulleungdo is surrounded by many rocky islets. So if you named one of them 石島, how could you be sure which islet you were talking about?<
Even now,only GwanEumDo has the term "Do(island)" among many rocky islets near Ulleungdo.Because this island is strikingly big compared to the rest.
TheMrsmooncakeno1 2 weeks ago
@jhk6411 >If you change 鬱陵島 to 鬱島,the name is still distinct. But if you change 石仏島 to 石島,the name loses all distinctness<
Unless you can tell the reason why 鬱陵島 was changed to 鬱島, 石仏島 to 石島 is very convincible.
TheMrsmooncakeno1 2 weeks ago
@jhk6411 You don't believe the newspaper (which said GwanEumDo has 'stone/rock statue of Buddah'), but you believe everything Ahn Yong bok said, even though Korean government accused him for perjury. It's ridiculous.
TheMrsmooncakeno1 2 weeks ago
@jhk6411 Let's compare 2 documents written by Korean govt at exact same time.
1. The Imperial Edict #41(1900.10.25) :
(summary) "Uldo county will have jurisdiction over the whole island of Ulleungdo, Jukdo, and Seokdo"
2. The petition by Lee Geon-ha Korean minister of interior (1900.10.22) :
(summary) "the area of the island in concern(Uldo county) should be 80 ris(32km) in length and 50 ris(20km) in the width."
Today's Dokdo is 92 km far from Ulleungdo!
TheMrsmooncakeno1 2 weeks ago
(GwanEumDo is very close to Ulleungdo, almost attached to it.
And Ulleungdo is surrounded by many rocky islets.
So if you named one of them '石島', how could you be sure which islet you were talking about?)
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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@jhk6411 >So if you named one of them '石島', how could you be sure which islet you were talking about?<
So is Dokdo! If you name Dokdo "石島", how could you be sure which islet is Dokdo while there is no description where 石島 located and Dokdo was actually far distant from them? It would make more complicated to identify them!
You prove by yourself that to name Dokdo "石島" is very illogical.
TheMrsmooncakeno1 2 weeks ago
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And if you want further proof that 石島 was Dokdo: Just look at what the Westerners named the island.
French named the island 'Liancourt Rocks'. English named it 'Hornet Rocks'.
Russians called it 'Menalai and Olivutsa Rocks'.
You see? They all called it "ROCKS".
So 石島 (“rock island”) makes perfect sense.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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jhk6411 2 weeks ago
Regarding "Usando=Dokdo":
Google search: "0020, 대조선국전도-동여도(大朝鮮國全圖-東輿圖)"
On this map, Ulleungdo is drawn as a large mountainous island, and Usando is drawn as a small, very mountainous island.
(In contrast, if you look at the islands off the southern and western coasts of Korea, almost none of them are depicted as "mountainous".)
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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@jhk6411 >On this map, Ulleungdo is drawn as a large mountainous island, and Usando is drawn as a small, very mountainous island.<
How can you bring such an inaccurate maps as evidences? lol. How can you convince people that the one island depicted close to Ulleungdo is Dokdo which actually consists of 2 islets far far away from Ulleungdo, while an exact look-alike island actually exists at the same position? Usando=Jukdo. Period.
TheMrsmooncakeno1 2 weeks ago
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@jhk6411
「三国史記 新羅本紀(Samguk Sagi -Silla)」(1145)
"于山国在溟州正東海島 或名欝陵島 地方一百里"
(Usanguk lies on the sea west of Gangneung, as known as Ulleungdo, within the radius of 40 kilometers)
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Dokdo was neither Usando nor a part of Usanguk. Only Ulleungdo was.
TheMrsmooncakeno1 2 weeks ago
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「太宗実録(Taejong Record)」(1417)
"按撫使金麟雨 還自于山島 献土産大竹 水牛皮 生苧 綿子 検樸木 等物 且率居人三名以来 其島戸凡十五口男女并八十六 麟雨之往還也 再逢颶風 僅得其生"
(Inspector Kim In-u returned from Usando and brought local products as tribute, including large bamboo, seal skins, raw ramie cloth, silk wool, and wood (trees). He also brought back three residents of the place. There were fifteen families living on the island for a total of 86 men and women)
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Dokdo could have none of them (trees, animals, residents and inhabitants).
TheMrsmooncakeno1 2 weeks ago
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Google search: "Donggyeong San Cheon (東京山川) - Paldo Jido (八道地圖)"
If you look at the national map of Korea, you again see Ulleungdo drawn as a large mountainous island, and Usando is drawn as a small, very mountainous island.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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These and other maps which depict Usando as a small, very mountainous island strongly suggest that Usando really was Dokdo.
Usando couldn't have been Jukdo, b/c Jukdo looks like a flat tabletop.
(Compare photos of Jukdo with photos of Ulleungdo and Dokdo. Jukdo is completely flat-topped, compared to the other two.)
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
@jhk6411 >Usando couldn't have been Jukdo, b/c Jukdo looks like a flat tabletop.<
Sorry, I couldn't stop laughing. Do you emphasize the pictural accuracy over the geodetic accuracy everytime you see/show maps? I wonder if you realize how unreasonable your argument is.
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jhk6411 2 weeks ago
Regarding "Seokdo=Dokdo":
As I said before, in the late 1800s, most residents of Ulleungdo were from Cholla Province.
In Cholla Province they call small, rocky islands 'Dok-Seom", and write them as 石島 or 獨島.
I don't know why the 1900 edict said 石島 and Shim Heung Taek's 1906 letter said 獨島, but they were talking about the same island, "rock island".
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
@jhk6411 Firstly, old Korean language was different from modern Korean. Any evidence that proves they used to pronounce 石島 "Dok-Seom" before 1900? Secondly, granted they called 石島 "Dok-Seom" at the time, why did Korean government have to use Cholla's dialect at such an important edict?? Any evidence that prove government used Cholla's dialect other than this?
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>Dokdo looks a lot more "rocky" than GwanEumDo. 石島 is Dokdo.<
As I said before, 石島 came from 石"仏"島.(Donga Ilbo 1928.9.8)
TheMrsmooncakeno1 2 weeks ago
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石島 in the 1900 edict could be either GwanEumDo or Dokdo (since there are only 3 “島” in the viscinity of Ulleungdo, and Jukdo was already mentoned).
Dokdo looks a lot more "rocky" than GwanEumDo. 石島 is Dokdo.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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As for 石島 -> 獨島:
There were only two times when Dokdo’s name was written as 石島. (Both times it was Korea's central govt that wrote it that way, in 1900 and 1906.)
All other times, it was written as 獨島.
Since Ulleung Magstrate Shim wrote Dokdo as 獨島, and warship Niitaka’s logbook also recorded the name as 獨島 (having gotten the information from Koreans on Ulleungdo), the Ulleungdo locals probably wrote Dokdo as 獨島.
And since most people wrote it as 獨島, this name probably stuck.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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jhk6411 2 weeks ago
Regarding “Usando -> Dokdo”:
Exactly why Usando's name was changed to Seokdo/Dokdo I'm not sure.
I suspect it had something to do with the fact that Ulleungdo was vacated for many centuries.
When Ulleungdo and Usando were first incorporated into Korea, the two islands were called Usanguk.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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But after Ulleungdo was vacated for a long time, the sense of Usanguk ("kingdom of Usan") was probably lost and Ulleungdo just became an island.
The name "Usan-do" also lost its relevance, and what was once Usando just came to be called "Dokdo" ("rock island") by the local people.
That's my explanation.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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jhk6411 2 weeks ago
Regarding Japanese Perceptions of Matsushima (Dokdo):
In the 1696 Ahn Yong Bok incident, Ahn declared to the Japanese authorities that Usando is Matsushima, and Matsushima is Korean territory.
He said Usando is Matsushima and Ulleungdo is Takeshima, and that both islands are part of Korea's Gangwon Province, showing them a map that said so.
The Japanese agreed.
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Daviysoh 2 weeks ago
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(Takeshima and Matsushima are labeled as Korean territory in many old Japanese maps. Even maps made in 1903 and 1936 said the two islands are Korean territory.
It was a long-held belief among Japanese that both islands were Korean.)
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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Google search: "Who Was Nakai Yozaburo? 唱墨捞 夸磊何肺绰 穿备看唱?"
Google search: "The Japanese Politicians Involved in the Annexation of Liancourt Rocks"
Google search: "Japan's Takeshima X-Files"
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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Even Nakai Yozaburo (the one who asked the Japanese govt to incorporate Dokdo into Japan) said later in a 'personal history' that he initially believed Dokdo was Korean territory and was going to request the Korean govt to lease the island.
But he was dissuaded by Japanese officials; he was persuaded to submit the request to the Japanese government instead.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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Japanese Navy Admiral Kimotsuki Kenko, in particular, convinced Nakai into believing that Dokdo was not Korean territory, but an ownerless island. Admiral Kimotsuki also emphasized to Nakai that he should ask the Japanese govt to INCORPORATE Dokdo into Japan.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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With the backing of Admiral Kimotsuki and Fishery Bureau Director Maki Bokushin (who were expansionist-minded), Nakai submitted a "Request for Territorial Incorporation of Liancourt Island and Its Lease" on Sept 29, 1904 to the Japanese Home Ministry.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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However, the Japanese Home Ministry rejected his application, saying that "the gains [from incorporating Dokdo] would be extremely small, while the situation would become grave if the acquisition of a barren islet suspected of being Korean territory...would amplify the suspicions of various foreign countries that Japan had an ambition to annex Korea."
So, even the Japanese Home Ministry believed that Dokdo was Korean territory, and it opposed Japan's incorporation of Dokdo.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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Nakai was then helped by Yamaza Enjiro, the Japanese Foreign Ministry’s Political Affairs Director. (who was a right-wing nationalist and expansionist-minded)
Nakai submitted his request to the Japanese Foreign Ministry, where Yamaza pushed to have it approved.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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Yamaza said that "The incorporation [of Dokdo] is urgent particularly under the present situation, and it is absolutely necessary and advisable to construct watchtowers and install wireless or submarine cable and keep watch on the hostile warships."
Yamaza and Japan's Foreign Minister, Komura Jutaro (who was also expansionist-minded), played a key role in having Nakai's request approved by the Japanese govt.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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(cont’d)
Komura Jutaro was deeply involved with Japanese interests in Korea and the Asian mainland well before the incorporation of Dokdo. He was involved in increasing Japan's influence in Korea since the 1890s, and played a central role in the colonization of Korea.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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Now, Komura was very much aware of Dokdo’s strategic importance.
From "dokdo-takeshima":
"Records from Japan’s Russo~Japanese War (1904~1905) archives detail how Komura Jutaro received telegrams on an almost daily basis reporting the location of Russia’s approaching Baltic Fleet.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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A mere two weeks before annexing Dokdo, Komura was sent a message confirming Russia’s Navy would be sailing through Dokdo’s adjacent waters en-route to Vladivostok. To help posture for the battle, Komura, with the help of Admiral Kimotsuki, surveyed Dokdo, annexed the island and then installed watchtowers there."
(The battle that Japan was preparing for was the Battle of Tsushima, which took place in May 1905, in which the Japanese Navy decisively defeated the Russian Navy.)
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
In 1904-1905, Japan was fighting the Russo-Japanese War. It was fighting naval battles with Russia in the Korea/East Sea region.
After successfully engaging the Russia's Vladivostok fleet in Aug. 1904, Japan was installing watch towers and telegraph lines in Ulleungdo and all along Korea's coasts.
In Sept 1904, while Japanese warship Niitaka was performing this mission, it initially surveyed Dokdo. (It also learned that Russian warships were visiting the area, and reported it to the Navy).
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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The Japanese Navy then performed a full survey of Dokdo and deemed it suitable for military use, and submitted a feasibility report for the construction of naval watchtowers and telegraph station on Dokdo to Admiral Kimotsuki on January 5th 1905.
Japan then annexed Dokdo in February 1905.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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So, Nakai Yozaburo's request to lease Dokdo just happened to come at a really opportune time, for the Japanese govt.
It was perfect timing, really.
The Japanse govt had huge military reasons to annex Dokdo.
(Nakai's request just provided a perfect excuse to annex Dokdo.)
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
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Some in the Japanese govt opposed the incorporation of Dokdo, believing that Dokdo was Korean territory.
But expansionist-minded politicians (including some right-wing nationalists) prevailed, and the Japanese govt decided to annex Dokdo.
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@jhk6411 >why did Shim Heung Taek urgently contact the king when he found out of Dokdo's annexation?<
Do you have any evidences that prove he recognized Dokdo accurately, like where it located, how to get there, how it looked like etc. He just claimed it verbally, didn't he? He reminds me of Ahn Yong-Bok. I highly doubt they both recognized it. Sorry, it's my assumption but, even though they didn't know what island Japanese were talking about, they tried to claim its dominion for the moment.
TheMrsmooncakeno1 2 weeks ago
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>"So regular people would've had no idea what 石島 was."
>ROFL. So, you have no idea why 石島 was 獨島 too! <
Regular people don't spend countless hours studying the Dokdo dispute. I have.
(Although, these days more and more Koreans are becoming interested in it.)
If Dokdo wasn't included as part of Uldo County in the 1900 edict, why did Shim Heung Taek urgently contact the king when he found out of Dokdo's annexation?
The king and the rest of the govt also knew that Dokdo was part of Uldo County.
jhk6411 2 weeks ago
>it was after 1906 that they recognized the existence of Dokdo.<
No, the logbook of the Japanese warship Niitaka from Sept. 1904 clearly says that Koreans called Liancourt Rocks "Dokdo".
“..リアンクルド岩は韓人は独島と書き、我が国の漁夫はリャンコ島と呼んでいる。添付した略図で分かるように、ふたつの岩島で西島の高さは約400尺で傾斜がきつく登るのに難しそうだが、東島は比較的に低く雑草が生え、頂上には平坦な所があり、二、三つの小屋を建てられそうだ.”
Google search: "Japan's Takeshima X-Files I"
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TheMrsmooncakeno1 2 weeks ago
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@jhk6411 Sorry it was my typo. Japanese informed Koreans about Takeshima in 1904.
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