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I agree with a lot of what abdul hakim murad says, but on the issue of music, simply: duffs are only allowed by young girls on eid and weddings. That's it. Naturally, there is some leeway when dealing with mental therapy. But with regards to the heart, We worship Allah how he has commanded us to. Allah has said in surah hashr that if the Quran was revealed unto a mountain, it would be humbled and cleft asunder out of fear of Allah.
Even if you only believe in the qur'an, go look up in NUMEROUS places, it says that one believe needs to follow the example of the prophet!!
Not bashing you.......but the most cited example of this is that the qur'an tells us we need to pray but not how! That is why one cannot disregard sunnah and hadiths.
Simple as that man and inshaallah have a blessed ramadan
@muslimman114 If you dont know how to pray by following the instructions in the Quran, you need to re-read it. I)f you are looking for a set of movements that your father handed to you from his father, you will be dissapointed. It is not there. God forgot to put it in, apparently. Good thing Bukhari could come 200 years later as set the matter straight for him, or whatever it is that your argument is really implying.
There is a quote in the Quran in reference to the evils of too much pleasure and so on etc, and some friend dude of the prophet said well after the his death, said, 'yer, it refers to music especially stringed instrumenments, i'm convinced'. Since then, muslims should not listen to 'stringed instruments' . Thats the problem with u lot. You mainly go on 'second hand accounts' by men who were conspiring against each other within days of his death.....hence shia and sunni....Guitar rules
The Qur'an, Sunnah, Qiyas, Ijma, Maslaha, Istihsan... these are all sources of law. All have their proof from within the Book and the life of the Prophet (s) and his Companions and those that followed them. None that is lower in the schema can contradict that which is higher, but no one that does not have mastery of Arabic, Jahili Poetry, Usul, and the sciences of Hadith (among other things) should bother speaking about these issues. And if you want to speak, go learn from a qualified scholar.
The Quran is the law and the sunnah, the rest you mention is just shit prists made up to sanctify their leeching positions. No more. The Quran is fully detailed (6:114) you believe this to be a correct piece of information OR YOU DO NOT! there are no inbetweens, it is fully detailed, or it is not fully detailed. take your pick, one of them however suggests that God is bluffing so be careful.
Thank you kindly brother. Whatever disagreements may be present in our community, God knows best and will inform us who is right when time comes. But atleast look into my claims, it is too easy to just disregard these ideas on a spinal reaction. we are to observe the traditions of previous generations with great suspicion, they are not infallible, nor were their fathers. What if they were clueless? (2:170, 5:104 etc.). If our ways part here, I have a verse for you to ponder upon 6:112. Every..
I am muslim. I am not a this-or-that muslim,or part of any particular school of thought or interpretation. I dislike how Quran alone muslim has been coined as if it was something to be ashamed of, as if this persons Islam was somehow lacking for denouncing the obvious forgeries and nonsense of bukhari and replace it fully with Al-Quran. No sane muslim should be able to even pass it over their lips, but it is thrown around as an accusation.
If that's what you are, that's what you are. It's not an ad-hominem or anything, nor is it intended to be. It's literally what you've claimed on your own accord multiple times.
You've openly said what your beliefs are, namely that anything besides the Qur'an is invalid. Therefore the "Qur'an alone" ought to be the only source of guidance. 'Quran only'
It's a statement of fact, not an attack. You just don't adhere to the same epistemology or belief system as your Sunni or Shi'a brethren.
@fucknuaf Please regard Hadiths that show how thing should be done- not how we think the things should get done. Without Hadiths' guidance we would not know what is Halal & whats Haram or how to slaughter an animal or which animal is OK to eat.The Noble Quran is the word of Allah swt & Hadiths' show how this is to be applied without breaching the limits set before us by our Creator!
@mawnyz1 I disagree with you. The hadith is so filled with nonsense that there is no way that it came from the same source that gave us the Quran. Quran is the word of God, hadith is the telltales of arabia as collected by Bukhari and his likes hindreds of years after the death of Mohammed. Same pattern you will find in Christiandom and judaism. They call their nonsense 'the new testament' and 'talmud' respectively.
@fucknuaf The Quran is Allah swt's word. The Hadith is the actions & sayings of the prophet, to whom the Noble Quran was revealed. How can you compare Hadith to any of the patterns of sayings & deeds of other religions save Abrahamic Laws, yet the Hadith is above them, since this Hadith is the final instructions, well not really instructions, but the best examples to follow for whole of the mankind! Do YOU have any better principles to adhere to, to what already been given? Please tell!
@mawnyz1 You are making a major leap of faith here. It is true that we are told that "in the messenger there are a most excellent example", but we are also told that "in Abraham you have an excellent example". Going by your logic, there should be an Abrahamic hadith we need to follow too since we are told that both these people are excellent examples. Since the hadith often directly contradicts the Quran and itself...well..."had it been from other than God they would find many errors in it"
The Finality has somewhat special kind of connotations attached to it! "This Hadith is the final instructions, well not really instructions, but the best examples to follow for whole of the mankind!"
Re-read these comments to help you get better understanding of what it actually means- the boldness of its assertion, & the conviction of its belief!
Our inability to understand is our short coming & not of the Hadith's authenticity or the perceived errors you mention!
@mawnyz1 So where is the Abrahamic hadith. You still use the same arugment, but it falls flat IMO in the face of Abraham being an excellent example to follow. How does Mohammed become Bukhari (muslim et all.) where is this connection made?
Whoever disregards Sunnah, by consensus of SUNNI scholars, has left Islaam.
Obviously Ibraaheem was a good example but we are not form his Ummah, Allaah says "Obey Allaah AND the Prophet."
Bukhaaree's ahaadeeth have chains of narrations. Without hadeeth, you would have nearly nothing because the way we understand teh Qur'aan is based on hadeeth.
We can't compare Qur'aan to hadeeth because it is teh word of God but hadeeth is teh inspiration of Allaah to the Prophet.
@jundiyyatullaah I am not a sunni so that does not bother me very much. These people are obviously entitled to their oppinion. Here is what I dont understand. Where is this connection made, Mohammed = Bukhari, Muslim etc.?
how do we know teh Qur'aan is authentic, teh dots weren't placed until after Uthmaan died, teh fathah, kasrah, dhamma (vowels) weren't placed until way later. So someone could say no, this is actually saying this. But Allaah has safeguarded these things. wa lillaahil hamd
keep up the good work abdalhakim murad allah may bless you, you and others are the fresh blood in the body of islam, carry the torch up high and we are with you.
This guy is not bringing any ayah or hadith to back his twisted idea. Music is haram except some einstruments.(there is a debate about the tambourine or "duff" in arabic) but music is unlawful and its expanssion amongst ppl is a sign of the day of judgement, just like zina and alcohol. If he knows whats haram and halal, why doesnt he stop shaving his beard? or maybe the turks didnt either!? instead of going to turkey, he should go to makka or madina which is where the real stuff is!
its very important point noted. he seems to be putting his understanding and perception of Islam on practices of people who are "medieveal" and so "supposedly" right, so one can easily repudiate murads claims simply as we first and foremost use the islamic sources as you mentioned.
so the way of the companions and infact the text tell us of its impermissibility.
even if we look at the ppl of knowledge an not the text (majority ppl of knowledge) still know it to be prohibited in general.
this "guy" is a muslim and every muslim is dear to Allah. If you don't agree with him - you can say so with adab. You don't need to say such things about a scholar. I disagree with him on some matters too, but that's where it ends - there is no need assassinate him, is there?
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Yes, francotirador2561, I agree. He should grow his beard and let his nostril hair grow too. After all didn't the prophet say that "let it be known to all that the man who cuts his nostril hair is kuffar and unclean"? I think he did. He also said: "those who eat the shit of a camel will pass like a turd into the abyss" Yes, muhammed was full of wise comments about shit. He knew his shit alright.
shaving your beard is not haram. neither is there any ban on music by the QURAN.
Quran is the ultimate source of law. ayahs and hadiths are secondary. god does not need humans to decree divine laws. if something is not banned in the quran, its not banned in islam.
"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114
If music was haraam, then why does Al-Wahhabiya Fundamentalist State of Saudi Arabia have orchestra played in its national anthem?
If painting realistic portraits is haraam, then why do the kings of Saudi Arabia, have realistic painted portraits of themselves, including puritanical King Faisal?
Quran doesn't put any restrictions on this, what so ever.
Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic state or khalifate ... not just that, but there is no evidence in Islam for having a "national anthem" or even for "nationalism"... it's something imported from the Europe of the 19th century.
@ultradestruction Saudi Arabia also has riba based banks, don't let women drive, and allow the Americans to use their bases as they kill Iraqis. Lets not judge Islam based upon Saudi Arabia.
That's not accurate... the Quran is the most important source for Sunni Sharia law but not the ONLY source... there's the ahadith as well. I think you'll find Music is haram and there is a very good reason for it.
but u must understand that the quran is the divine source of law. all other laws that are not from god's books are man made. if a culture deems music to be unacceptable and prohibits it, its up to the people whether they want to accept it. but if the ruling body is calling it the will of god without the source material of the quran or the past books of god, it can be determined as hearsay.
the hadiths are man made books about the alleged sayings of the prophet muhammad.
if something is beneficial and logical in a hadith it should be followed. just as there are books on society and science that are good. but we shouldn't call those books divine or associate them to the divinity of the religion. to say that hadiths are required for a person to be a complete muslim is to say the quran is incomplete.
the jews made this mistake with their holy book. today, the talmud which was created by jewish mystics is relied upon more than the torah allah sent to them.
quran is not the only sourceof legislation. The quran does tell you how to pray, how to do wudu, what breaks wudu. if you limit yourself to following quran you will miss these rulings. eg ask any muslim and they will tell you its forbidden for men to wear silk. This however is not in the quran but the ahadith.
quran is the supreme rule of law. praying has been past down from generation to generation by the ways abraham. the hadiths heavily contradict the quran. they are full of fallacies and inconsistencies. forbidding that which god has not forbidden is a major sin. stoning is allowed by way of hadith but the quran does not indorse stoning people to death. people claim that the verses for stoning were not compiled into the quran but that would be saying that the quran is incomplete which is a sin.
you can discover islam for yourself. I am confident that if you truly look into the issue and research hadiths, you will realize that they hold no divine authority over mankind and that at the core, are often contradictory to the way of life allah swt told us to live.
the core of islam is not that hard to follow or understand and guidelines to paradise are stated clearly in the quran.
@AFGalwayz i really appreciate your views...without intoxicating myself with he excess gibberish that is out there folllowed by ignorant youths who serve half the time no purpose to society, my views are based on logic and faith and a simple understanding that there is no other law but the law of god and the law of god is expressed in the quran which the progphet SWT has passed down to us. hadiths are the sole reason why the thrid world is called the thid wolrd and the west is the west!
@AFGalwayz i really appreciate your views...without intoxicating myself with he excess gibberish that is out there folllowed by ignorant youths who serve half the time no purpose to society, my views are based on logic and faith and a simple understanding that there is no other law but the law of god and the law of god is expressed in the quran which the prophet SWT has passed down to us. hadiths are the sole reason why the thrid world is called the thid wolrd and the west is the west!
actually the Quran tells us that a primary trait of idolators is that they stone people. Abrahams father threatend him with stoning, lot etc.. stoning is something that disbelievers practice. Look at these ayat for proof;: 18.20, 19.46 , 36.18 etc..
Only certain Hadith's should be followed. Any Hadith that contradicts Al Quran should be voided immediately. However, Al Quran is the ultimate and source of knowledge in Islam, and therefore, if something is not mentioned in there, it bears little significance.
ALL hadith should be voided on that reason alone. it is but hearsay collected all over arabia and we have no way of knowing of it is true or not. These chains of narrators is a shallow a proof as can be. half of the American population found bush trustworthy....whom people think is trustworthy is NO indication of whether these people actually ARE trustworthy and thus we have to completely disregard it as hearsay and properbly the work of the enemies of islam. like it or not.
@jihadifanclub your saying people prayed 5 times a day before it was published in hadith? thats great
you need to understand that hadiths are books that are open to criticize. there are facts and historical references in there that are right but not everything in there is set in stone and not allowed to be questioned.
stating that hadith are absolutely needed for a muslim would be to argue that the quran is not enough. which would be a sin.
@AFGalwayz We learn the proper way of how to pray from the hadith. There are two authenric hadith which are Bukhari and Muslim. The rest are unauthentic. You can not follow the Quran only because the Quran is not enough. How are we supposed to run an Islamic state and implement all the proper laws without the hadith to tell us?
@jihadifanclub astafurallah my friend. your saying god's words are not enough for our religion...
"(31:27) " If all the trees on earth were made into pens, and the ocean supplied the ink, augmented by seven more oceans, the words of GOD would not run out. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise"
"[7:185]...Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which Hadith, beside this, do they believe in?"
@AFGalwayz For example what are the proper ways of performing offensive and defensive jihad for the Islamic state? The Quran is only one source. Also if Allah (swt) only wanted us to follow the Quran he would have just sent it down. He sent Muhammad (pbuh) to guide us in detail. For example proper hijab for and beards are obligitory but they are not in the Quran. The Hadith are important for details.
@jihadifanclub the proper ways of war are outlined fully in the quran. the quran has full rules of engagement and also when war is permitted... the hadith were not permitted by god. they are thus not a source that is 100% without fault. god has fully detailed what the religion should be.
anything else you think is not in the quran that would be needed in the islamic state?
@AFGalwayz Sure. You are one of the very few Muslims on earth that beliees the authentic hadiths are not to be followed. This is a typical attitude of Muslims that HATE to follow rules and like to do as they please.
"Sure. " great response lol. most of the time when the word hadith is mentioned in quran its referring to people relying on other texts that god has not allowed. divine law > human law.
@AFGalwayz The hadith is not human law it is the sayings of Muhammad (pbuh). When Muhammad made things manditory such as not listening to music we must follow it.
1. the mission of the prophet was to lead at the time of his life and reveal the quran. he lived by the quran
2. you must substantiate the claim that music is made haram in the hadith and that this is absolutely clear and that the hadiths are 100% accurate.
3. and you must substantiate that claim in accordance to the quran which states that the quran is complete, god does not run out of words or forget to mention what is necessary in religion.
@AFGalwayz Read the Quran and you will see that it is not complete. Then go listen to any lecture about Islam and 9 times out of 10 they will use evidence from the hadith to back up their points not the Quran. From wearing a beard, to the hijab, to stoning the adulturer it is in the hadith not the Quran.
@jihadifanclub even the most staunch scholars of islam will agree that much that the quran is complete. their argument for hadith is that it explains the quran. what your arguing on the other hand is sin and sin.
stoning the adulterer is haram. the punishment for adultery in the quran is 100 lashes. the penalty is never death for adultery in the quran. wearing a beard is also not mandatory nor is it required to be a muslim. the dress code for a woman is detailed in the quran as well.
@AFGalwayz Explaing the Quran is a huge part of the hadith. But also it does have many things not in the Quran such as having a beard, the drawing of humans or animals, or covering ones hair while praying. Hence the Quran orders Muslims to OBEY Muhammad. Stoning is the adulterer is a part of Islam and it is to be practiced under proper circumstances. Punishment for fornication is 100 lashes. Please find evidence that a beard is optional, covering the hair is in the Quran & stoning is haram.
@jihadifanclub stoning people for adultery is haram because the quranic punishment for it is 100 lashes. even scholars who uphold hadiths admit that beards are optional.
it was the infidels who stoned people to death for such things. stoning people for adultery is a sin because god has clearly outlined the correct punishment. the dress code for woman is to dress modestly, cover themselves and guard their bodies. the quran ordered muslims to obey muhammad in the sense of him as a leader.
"This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe." 12:111
[6:38] There is not an animal (that lives) on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but (forms part of) communities like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they (all) shall be gathered to their Lord in the end.
you can take it up god if you like about the quran being incomplete
@AFGalwayz Then whats the point of the hadith if the Quran is all one needs? And why are things like beards, hijab, ect. obligitory even if they are not found in the Quran?
@jihadifanclub thats my whole point. there is no point in the hadith. hadith were created because god alone was not good enough for people. so they added their own things into the religion by getting statements about the prophet that cannot in a lot of cases be even proven true.
terms of faith, the hadith contradict eachother, the quran and how god's prophet would behave. in other words, the quran gives us guidance to use our mind while the hadith makes ur robots following a personality cult
@AFGalwayz The Hadith are recordings of the saying and doings of Muhammad (pbuh). Allah (swt) used him as an example to man kind because there was no way every detail could have fit inside the Quran. Hence that is why the Quran says you must obey Muhammad. Muhammad lived his live exactly the way Allah wante him. Everything he did and said was from Allah not his own doings. That is why we use him as an example and do everything that he ordered based upon the hadith. He ordered us to follow it.
the problem is the authenticity of the hadith. they were compiled hundreds of years after his death. another point is we cant base our life and laws from that long ago. the prophet peace be upon him would have had different laws in todays time. the only laws that are permanent are those of the quran.
you seem to be in a disagreement with god. everything in relation to being a muslim is in the quran. arguing otherwise would be to say god lied or that the quran is incorrect.
@AFGalwayz Bukhari and Muslim are the authentic hadith we follow. It has been this way for 1400 years. The science that goes into verifying authentic hadith is very precise and has been tested by multiple factors. We can not base our lives on laws from a long time ago and "modernization"is no reason for us to abandon Islamic Law. The Quran says obey the messenger (pbuh) and Muhammad has said that we must follow his example.
@jihadifanclub bukhari and muslim are said to be authentic. however the sahih hadiths even contradict eachother. the chain of narration is broken in hadiths where the people in the beginning were not even alive when bukhari wrote them down...in addition to this, parts of the hadith are not in accordance with the quran and the hadiths in the early islamic era were outlawed.
moreover, god in the quran always said to follow this hadith (quran) and this sunnah (of god) and not others.
'' however the sahih hadiths even contradict eachother.''
seriously, too many ignorant people make claims like this when they dont have any true knowledge , havent sat down with a scholar and studied the deen from a person of true knowledge. They buy their bukharis, muslims , translations even which is a joke, then read and then think they know something and say this means that and contradicts this and start talking like they know something. Learn adab of ilm from past imams.
@TheKap1an "[54:17] We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?"
"Which Hadith other than this do they uphold?" 77:50"
""These are God's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?" 45:6"
it seems pretty straightforward. god is saying quran is the only source of religion (that cannot be challenged and is guranteed to be free of errors), you and "scholars" disagree.
Look at the level of respect you have for the great scholars of the past who gave their lives to the deen, back then they wouldnt even take you as a witness.
Taking things out of context just like Islamic haters. Your stance is the same as the hypocrites during the time of the Prophet, before the battle, the ones with weak faith and the hypocrites tried to find a way of not going to war, so they ended up saying 'it doesnt say go to -
@TheKap1an i dont really care what they would have taken me for. the message is from the lord and it has been delivered. all i can do is preach what it says and it says to follow the hadith of god and that it should be the source of religious law.
they used their man made system to convey something as absolute truth. god' system is perfect, fully detailed and revealed. what you wish to follow is up to you.
- saying 'it doesnt say go to war in the Quran so were not going, we only accept the message you bring ( in other words JUST the Quran), and not what you say as personal authority.'
Then in surah Muhammad the ayah was revealed saying Muhammad, not rasoolullah, so you accept him as messenger AND Muhammad, you obey him aswell.
So how do you know how to pray?
You dont even know who Abu Lahab is then, or which ayahs were meant for the Prophet specifically, or just the muslims then.
@TheKap1an how to pray is detailed in the quran as well. salat was given to the prophet abraham and was present before bukhari et all decided to write them down in their books.
the details of how to perform prayer is in the quran. otherwise you'd be arguing that god
1. ran out of words which he does not (quran 18:109)
''and was present before bukhari et all decided to write them down in their books.''
How did we recieve he Quran? Through mutawaatir transmissions, starting with the companions, how did we recieve hadith? Through mutawaatir transmissions starting with the companions.
Who's saying Allah ran out of words? Whos saying Quran is incomplete?
So what does Allah mean when He says if you do not know then ask the people of knowledge?
@TheKap1an "how did we recieve hadith" scholars determining which are sahih and which are not. there is insurance on the quran as it has been fully approved by our lord. you are comparing the words and message of the lord to those of what we THINK the prophet said 100s of years after his death.
the last person i spoke with jihadifanclub LOL stated that the quran was incomplete.
obey the messenger was to obey the message. the prophet's mission was to lead us until the revelation was complete
So when the Quran says 'drive them out of where they drove you out', you dont even know what exactly right? You dont know who Abu Lahab is, to you its just a random name. You dont know the qibla before the Kaaba, you dont know the first revelation, the age of the Prophet when he recieved it, you dont know the companions etc etc, you dont know a LOT of things then.
Obviously Hadith arent equal to the Quran. The actions of the Prophet, the hadtih, are the carrying out of the Quran. And yes you cant understand absolutely everything by reading the Quran, Allah says ask the people of knowledge, Allah says obey MUHAMMAD. Tell me the method of salaat in the Quran?? Your so called anti hadith school of thought is a pure innovation, muslims in the past embodied the spirit of Islam without even reading the Quran, so your school fails already.
@TheKap1an "muslims in the past embodied the spirit of Islam without even reading the Quran, so your school fails already."
your logic is not adding up. after the prophet died, there was no bukhari to tell people this is how you should pray. your giving divinity to hadith by excluding them of possible human error.
the final question begs is it possible to be a righteous muslim by following the quran only. disagreeing would be to disagree with god.
''your logic is not adding up. after the prophet died, there was no bukhari to tell people this is how you should pray. ''
The method of prayer was and is recieved by mutawaatir transmissions, and we have certain hadith on mutawaatir level, so many people saying the same thing in different places that it CANT have been a lie.
''the final question begs is it possible to be a righteous muslim by following the quran only.''
''the final question begs is it possible to be a righteous muslim by following the quran only.''
Translations of Quran are fairly recent dont forget. In the past the vast majority of muslim didnt have a Quran interpreted into their own language, they had the Prophets example to follow transmitted to them.
''after the prophet died, there was no bukhari to tell people this is how you should pray. your giving divinity to hadith by excluding them of possible human error.''
?? The method of prayer was transmitted via mutawaatir transmissions, so many people saying the same thing in all different places, they cant have all agreed on the same one lie, certain hadith are on a mutawaatir chain of transmission as well.
i come from a school of thought where god's book is the only source of religious law. to make hadith mandatory is to say god's system is not good enough. we need these additional books because god did not make the message clear in his book? it pretty contradictory. the jews made the talmud, the christians corrupted the bible and the muslims add in hadiths. god's word has never been good enough for people.
And can you tell me where in the Quran it says how many raka'a for what prayer, the order of the actions etc? Tell me how we know this without the Prophet himself? So if you lived in the Prophets time would you reject his own authority and only accept the Quran? So you dont know a LOT of the context of the verses then? You dont even know the Qibla before the Kaaba? You dont know anything about the Prophets life? Who even IS the Prophet?
@TheKap1an except if i lived in the prophet's time i would have no doubt because i would witness the prophet doing it. someone writing down what he supposedly did 100s of years later with most of the people in the chain of the narration being dead is a whole different matter.
writing down 100's of years later? We have mutawaatir hadith you know, are you saying large groups of people, large chains of narration in different areas on the same hadith, came together at one place and agreed on a lie??
'how did we pray before we wrote them down in hadith? '
From the Prophet.......
'and which prophet did salat come to?'
We learnt from our Prophet, what sort of questions are these?
So you dont know the context of a LOT of verses in the Quran? Thats just sad.
@TheKap1an if i lived in the prophet's time there would be no doubt at all on these matters because we would be able to witness the prophet and refer to him.
here is a great question. how did we pray before we wrote them down in hadith? and which prophet did salat come to?
@jihadifanclub now im definitely not saying that hadith should be banned or anything like that, hadith can be used as a historical reference. however, they are absolutely unnecessary in terms of being a muslim. we cannot base our laws of the 21st century with the laws of 1000s of years ago. the only way we can do this is if these laws are divine and meant to be universal throughout time. the only source of law that remains that way is the quran, the final complete revelation by allah.
@AFGalwayz Islam is a complete way of life. He who rules other than what Allah reveals if a disbeliever. It is not permissable for Muslims to rule by "new modern laws". We must run our societies based strictly on laws from the Quran and Sunnah. That means running our society the way they were run 1400 years ago. Secularism, democracy, and capitalism are not compatible with Islam. We hae our own system that is to be practiced called the Shariah (Islamic Law).
@jihadifanclub the system of democracy is compatible with islam. provided that the democratic state is based on an islamic constitution. people wanted heriditary rule when the prophet was dying and some wanted his relatives, the prophet pbuh thought by many to say chose amongst yourselves as in come to an agreement on who is leader. in addition, the quran is a document that stands against extremism and is beacon of human rights and dignity. oppreson is worse than slaughter
@AFGalwayz Democracy is not defined as simply picking ones leader. Democracy is a system where people are allowed to pick the laws based upon voting, so under a democratic system people could vote to leagalize things the Quran forbids. Hence the word "democracy" which means "people rule". Just because people may have a say so in some things under Islamic sule does not mean Islam is democratic.
@jihadifanclub seems to be incorrect democracy means coming to a decision. if a country has its foundation on islam and an islamic constitution, democracy can work. if the state decides to ignore islam then it is no longer an islamic state. this can be said for all form of government whether its monarchy, republic etc. islam gives us guide lines on how to treat each other and how to behave as a community and as a state, how we run that state is up to us so long as it does not break divine rules
@jihadifanclub what you seem be against more the idea of the separation of church and state" secularism. both of which are not necessarily democratic by any means.
Why would Allah endow us with the gift of creating beautiful patterns of notes and then ban it and say it is haram? The Qur'an is limited in its use of notes because this limition allow us to memorized it in the most practical fashion. Muhammad(PBUH)had his revelation for 23 years of his life and never does the Qur'an mention instruments.
Ya Allah; make Islam become strong as it was during the time of Prophet Mohammad (saw). Muslim Ummah is in a desperate need of the right guidance; 2 help remain steadfast on the true path, through fair as well as in times of hardship!
Help in healing the physically sick, showing mercy 2 those weak in Imman, & free to unite those forcefully divided ppl, 2 welcome the fresh faces, who hear about Islam n want to know more to embrace it.
"Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much." Qur'an, 33:21
So tell me--how will you adhere to this verse of the Qur'an?
QDJMan, if music was haraam then why would the prophet (pbuh) tell the sahaba to inform the prophet (pbuh) when the people stopped playing... would he have not told the sahaba to cover their ears too? If it was haraam then we would have been specifically informed that it is, and we have not therefore it is not Haraam and it would be Bidah to say it is.
"Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much." Qur'an, 33:21
Alcohol and prostrating down to another person were allowed in previous times (i.e. time of Joseph, etc.)--does this mean that because it was once allowed, we should hold that as an excuse today for us to be able to drink alcohol and prostrate to other people?
"This is the Book (the Quran), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqoon." Qur'an, 2:2
You will find, then, that music is simply that which you want it to be. In other words, music to someone will be mere noise to another. Listening to people talking can be music to somebody, but to another music is distinct from speech.
How, then, can a major religion discuss the ethics of music (even worse, to judge music as an evil entity) when they cannot possibly even agree on the definition of that which they're judging?
A bigger problem for you all, now that you're debating the ethical nature of 'music', is to define exactly what music is and what it's not.
Is music simply sound, or deliberate sound? What about silence (the absence of sound) - is that music also?
Is speech music (listen back to Murad's recorded lecture)? If not, then why is bird song considered music when that is simply birds speaking to each other?
If we say that music is haram in Islam, then we must provide a verse that supports that claim. Otherwise, music, like the other brother/sister said, can be defined in many different ways. When I hear the Qur'an being recited by Sheikh Abdul Basit, it is music not just to my ears, but to my SOUL! Maasha Allah.
....which is why I listen to Muslim music in addition to many other types, even though I am a Christian....
Excellent excerpt! Thank you for posting it.
1 Samuel 16:23, "And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him."
I think music is not encouraged in Islam. People were impressed by the character and personality of Othman bin Affan. One characteristic of Othman was he never sang in his life.
a fact, what you said may have some truth, yet we need to be more analytical about things. we cant just make a statement of how things were and follow it as a rule. ...so some people are not too musically inclined in their expressions... and if he was known in history not to have sung, then-i dunno, but to my logic- maybe.. just maybe, others were known to occasionally partake in the activity...
Again, as Khemarb posted - we can only accept that music is haram when we can also provide a verse to support our judgement.
otherwise, we're only coming to conclusions by looking at specific details of historical (nevertheless)humans.-details that can, like in this case, have moderate variation from one individual to the next. i personally believe we should avoid such methods of creating the rules we set in our lives. ofcourse god knows best..
yourenviousenemy... So if I tap my foot on the floor and snap my fingers in rhythm (a form of music) all while SINGING the praises of Allah, that's haraam??
@wwwMeccaCentricCom they talk about this and go listen to rap...i dont know if music to cure, is haram or not. but listening to music and dancing to it, and letting urself go wild is most defintely not allowed in islam and vdos like these create misunderstanding.
oh and btw plz dont snap ur fingers while reading the quran :P
@orauf1 Do you have any evidence of these claims of yours? I will kindly refer you to; But say not - for any false thing that your tongues may put forth, - "This is lawful, and this is forbidden," so as to ascribe false things to God. For those who ascribe false things to God, will never prosper. 16:116 ..If you think something is directly haram...you better have the evidence to proove it!
@wwwMeccaCentricCom ask urself this: is it haram to serve alchohol at a masjid during a night of prayer and rememberance? Maybe the alchohol will make some people feel more emotional during the worship and in fact a lot of potheads claim that marijuana can increase the spirituality in a meditative experience but does any of that make it halal?? Of course not! Alchohol is haram and so is mhsic so it doesn't matter how u use them they are forbidden. We have to worship in a permissable manner.
@wwwMeccaCentricCom, yeah that is haraam. where did u learn to worship Allah swt in that way. did our prophet sing and dance about Allah swt? did he saws tap his foot and sing the praises of Allah swt, that is an innovation. show me the hadith. by your logic i can pray 7 rakats for fajr because it is still worshipping Allah, or i can drink alcohol as long as i think of Allah swt while doing it. music is haraam fullstop, stop trying to change the deen oh innovator.
@yourenviousenemy Brother, why are you looking at Youtube. You are involved in bid`ah. Innovation. Pure and simple. The Prophet never looked at the internet. You are engaged in the acts of a kafir. Enjoying kafir technology. AND you are looking at images. IMAGES. This is shirk brother. Astaghfirullah. ALL IMAGES IN ISLAM ARE UNLAWFUL. So don't be a hypocrite, take that computer of yours and toss it out the window. Ameen.
@wozza2341 akhi you just implied that I'm a kafir based on the fact that I am upholding the statement that Muhammad SalAllahu 3alayhi wa Sallam used to say at the beginning of EVERY khutba or festive lecture:
"and every newly invented matter in religion is a innovation, and every innovation is a misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Fire of Hell"
But some people claim this means we reject technology. Actually the muslims who practiced this were the pioneers of modernization.
@wozza2341 (part 2) ...pioneers of modernization. Much of the math and science that muslim scholars compiled have led the way for contemporary technology to exist. We also designed the modern day school system and we exceeded europe in hygeine, manners, and most of all politics so much so that when europeans wanted to educate themselves they wud do so in the muslim lands where their situation was better. Bid'ah in worldy matters is encouraged, but in islam it is unacceptable
@wozza2341 (part 3) ...is unacceptable. The reason for this is inclusove to logic. Allah is perfect and He does not make mistakes. For u to claim that Allah did not tell us something that we can do to worship Him is like saying Allah forgot, which is kufr. To say Allah wanted us to guess what we can do to worship Him is saying that Allah is unfair, which is kufr. And to say that Allah taught you something that He didn't teach Muhammad is to deny that Muhammad SAWS is the last prophet and
@wozza2341 (part 4) ...prophet and to declare yourself as such which is also kufr. So ultimately when it comes to religious matters of worship everything has to come from quran and sunnah or at least have a basis there. And to add or take away from deen is majorly evil and this does not apply to technology or any other psuedo science.
there is no such thing as "wise sufi"...all sufis are misguidet...so you shouldn't be proud but indeed you should make dua so that Allah guides him...wasalam
i think he made it clear enough when he mentioned the 'noble end' factor that should be involved. this means any music that would lead people to behaviour and mindsets that oppose the 'pure intentions' aspect of being a muslim would not be advisable. other than that, music is nutrition for the soul.
nevertheless, i shall end with wallahu'aalam (and god knows best).
Thank you also to our non-muslim friends that posted a comment and had a reference in the Gospel (Injeel). Innsha Allah, we can all spread peace (Islam) and knowledge.
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youkool432 5 months ago
Another jerk lost in in Islamic mumbo jumbo who thinks its all real...and he does.
Another posh kid gets lost in Islamic mumbo jumbo.
CorporalNym 6 months ago
@cryfreeedom I pity you.
jayjay1179 8 months ago
@cryfreeedom
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rencrow 9 months ago
Sunnis and Shias are one. Its the United States Govt and israel that fans hatred using proxy slaves like saudi and egypt
Our Book is One Our Kaaba is One Our Allah is one Our Holy Prophet is One
STOP listening to preachers of hate whether they are sunni in name or shia in name
Boycott all the hate preachers
rational1512 1 year ago
I agree with a lot of what abdul hakim murad says, but on the issue of music, simply: duffs are only allowed by young girls on eid and weddings. That's it. Naturally, there is some leeway when dealing with mental therapy. But with regards to the heart, We worship Allah how he has commanded us to. Allah has said in surah hashr that if the Quran was revealed unto a mountain, it would be humbled and cleft asunder out of fear of Allah.
Is the Quran not a great enough heart softener?
darklight254 1 year ago
fuck alah, fuck dirty islam! 88
hrv1950 1 year ago
@hrv1950 88? H H? Homing Homoes?
fucknuaf 1 year ago
fu**nuaf
Even if you only believe in the qur'an, go look up in NUMEROUS places, it says that one believe needs to follow the example of the prophet!!
Not bashing you.......but the most cited example of this is that the qur'an tells us we need to pray but not how! That is why one cannot disregard sunnah and hadiths.
Simple as that man and inshaallah have a blessed ramadan
muslimman114 2 years ago 8
@muslimman114 If you dont know how to pray by following the instructions in the Quran, you need to re-read it. I)f you are looking for a set of movements that your father handed to you from his father, you will be dissapointed. It is not there. God forgot to put it in, apparently. Good thing Bukhari could come 200 years later as set the matter straight for him, or whatever it is that your argument is really implying.
fucknuaf 1 year ago
There is a quote in the Quran in reference to the evils of too much pleasure and so on etc, and some friend dude of the prophet said well after the his death, said, 'yer, it refers to music especially stringed instrumenments, i'm convinced'. Since then, muslims should not listen to 'stringed instruments' . Thats the problem with u lot. You mainly go on 'second hand accounts' by men who were conspiring against each other within days of his death.....hence shia and sunni....Guitar rules
jonty717 2 years ago
The Qur'an, Sunnah, Qiyas, Ijma, Maslaha, Istihsan... these are all sources of law. All have their proof from within the Book and the life of the Prophet (s) and his Companions and those that followed them. None that is lower in the schema can contradict that which is higher, but no one that does not have mastery of Arabic, Jahili Poetry, Usul, and the sciences of Hadith (among other things) should bother speaking about these issues. And if you want to speak, go learn from a qualified scholar.
rightlyguidedsinner 2 years ago
The Quran is the law and the sunnah, the rest you mention is just shit prists made up to sanctify their leeching positions. No more. The Quran is fully detailed (6:114) you believe this to be a correct piece of information OR YOU DO NOT! there are no inbetweens, it is fully detailed, or it is not fully detailed. take your pick, one of them however suggests that God is bluffing so be careful.
fucknuaf 2 years ago
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fucknuaf 2 years ago
My apologies brother.
rightlyguidedsinner 2 years ago 2
Thank you kindly brother. Whatever disagreements may be present in our community, God knows best and will inform us who is right when time comes. But atleast look into my claims, it is too easy to just disregard these ideas on a spinal reaction. we are to observe the traditions of previous generations with great suspicion, they are not infallible, nor were their fathers. What if they were clueless? (2:170, 5:104 etc.). If our ways part here, I have a verse for you to ponder upon 6:112. Every..
fucknuaf 2 years ago
So basically you are a 'Quran-only' Muslim?
rightlyguidedsinner 2 years ago 3
I am muslim. I am not a this-or-that muslim,or part of any particular school of thought or interpretation. I dislike how Quran alone muslim has been coined as if it was something to be ashamed of, as if this persons Islam was somehow lacking for denouncing the obvious forgeries and nonsense of bukhari and replace it fully with Al-Quran. No sane muslim should be able to even pass it over their lips, but it is thrown around as an accusation.
fucknuaf 2 years ago
If that's what you are, that's what you are. It's not an ad-hominem or anything, nor is it intended to be. It's literally what you've claimed on your own accord multiple times.
You've openly said what your beliefs are, namely that anything besides the Qur'an is invalid. Therefore the "Qur'an alone" ought to be the only source of guidance. 'Quran only'
It's a statement of fact, not an attack. You just don't adhere to the same epistemology or belief system as your Sunni or Shi'a brethren.
fin
rightlyguidedsinner 2 years ago 5
@fucknuaf Please regard Hadiths that show how thing should be done- not how we think the things should get done. Without Hadiths' guidance we would not know what is Halal & whats Haram or how to slaughter an animal or which animal is OK to eat.The Noble Quran is the word of Allah swt & Hadiths' show how this is to be applied without breaching the limits set before us by our Creator!
mawnyz1 1 year ago
@mawnyz1 I disagree with you. The hadith is so filled with nonsense that there is no way that it came from the same source that gave us the Quran. Quran is the word of God, hadith is the telltales of arabia as collected by Bukhari and his likes hindreds of years after the death of Mohammed. Same pattern you will find in Christiandom and judaism. They call their nonsense 'the new testament' and 'talmud' respectively.
fucknuaf 1 year ago
@fucknuaf The Quran is Allah swt's word. The Hadith is the actions & sayings of the prophet, to whom the Noble Quran was revealed. How can you compare Hadith to any of the patterns of sayings & deeds of other religions save Abrahamic Laws, yet the Hadith is above them, since this Hadith is the final instructions, well not really instructions, but the best examples to follow for whole of the mankind! Do YOU have any better principles to adhere to, to what already been given? Please tell!
mawnyz1 1 year ago
@mawnyz1 You are making a major leap of faith here. It is true that we are told that "in the messenger there are a most excellent example", but we are also told that "in Abraham you have an excellent example". Going by your logic, there should be an Abrahamic hadith we need to follow too since we are told that both these people are excellent examples. Since the hadith often directly contradicts the Quran and itself...well..."had it been from other than God they would find many errors in it"
fucknuaf 1 year ago
@fucknuaf @fucknuaf
The Finality has somewhat special kind of connotations attached to it! "This Hadith is the final instructions, well not really instructions, but the best examples to follow for whole of the mankind!"
Re-read these comments to help you get better understanding of what it actually means- the boldness of its assertion, & the conviction of its belief!
Our inability to understand is our short coming & not of the Hadith's authenticity or the perceived errors you mention!
mawnyz1 1 year ago
@mawnyz1 So where is the Abrahamic hadith. You still use the same arugment, but it falls flat IMO in the face of Abraham being an excellent example to follow. How does Mohammed become Bukhari (muslim et all.) where is this connection made?
fucknuaf 1 year ago
@fucknuaf
Whoever disregards Sunnah, by consensus of SUNNI scholars, has left Islaam.
Obviously Ibraaheem was a good example but we are not form his Ummah, Allaah says "Obey Allaah AND the Prophet."
Bukhaaree's ahaadeeth have chains of narrations. Without hadeeth, you would have nearly nothing because the way we understand teh Qur'aan is based on hadeeth.
We can't compare Qur'aan to hadeeth because it is teh word of God but hadeeth is teh inspiration of Allaah to the Prophet.
jundiyyatullaah 1 year ago
@jundiyyatullaah I am not a sunni so that does not bother me very much. These people are obviously entitled to their oppinion. Here is what I dont understand. Where is this connection made, Mohammed = Bukhari, Muslim etc.?
fucknuaf 1 year ago
@fucknuaf
how do we know teh Qur'aan is authentic, teh dots weren't placed until after Uthmaan died, teh fathah, kasrah, dhamma (vowels) weren't placed until way later. So someone could say no, this is actually saying this. But Allaah has safeguarded these things. wa lillaahil hamd
jundiyyatullaah 1 year ago
@jundiyyatullaah Yes I know that the Quran is safeguarded. The Quran itself states this. I find no such guarante given about any other scriptures.
fucknuaf 1 year ago
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abusafija 3 years ago
keep up the good work abdalhakim murad allah may bless you, you and others are the fresh blood in the body of islam, carry the torch up high and we are with you.
deadranger9 3 years ago 3
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Garabsare 3 years ago
This guy is not bringing any ayah or hadith to back his twisted idea. Music is haram except some einstruments.(there is a debate about the tambourine or "duff" in arabic) but music is unlawful and its expanssion amongst ppl is a sign of the day of judgement, just like zina and alcohol. If he knows whats haram and halal, why doesnt he stop shaving his beard? or maybe the turks didnt either!? instead of going to turkey, he should go to makka or madina which is where the real stuff is!
francotirador2561 3 years ago
Anyways, may Allah guide him and us all. ameen.
francotirador2561 3 years ago 3
Salam
He is not finished either, have you seen the full lecture?
salam
grazzhood 3 years ago 3
Assalamu alaikum, honestly i havent seen the lecture, i am going by what i heard on here.
wassalaam
francotirador2561 3 years ago
its very important point noted. he seems to be putting his understanding and perception of Islam on practices of people who are "medieveal" and so "supposedly" right, so one can easily repudiate murads claims simply as we first and foremost use the islamic sources as you mentioned.
so the way of the companions and infact the text tell us of its impermissibility.
even if we look at the ppl of knowledge an not the text (majority ppl of knowledge) still know it to be prohibited in general.
j40505 3 years ago
this "guy" is a muslim and every muslim is dear to Allah. If you don't agree with him - you can say so with adab. You don't need to say such things about a scholar. I disagree with him on some matters too, but that's where it ends - there is no need assassinate him, is there?
rhoalphaiota 3 years ago 2
he went to turkey because he is scholar of ottoman turkish as well as farisi and arabic.
rhoalphaiota 3 years ago
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Yes, francotirador2561, I agree. He should grow his beard and let his nostril hair grow too. After all didn't the prophet say that "let it be known to all that the man who cuts his nostril hair is kuffar and unclean"? I think he did. He also said: "those who eat the shit of a camel will pass like a turd into the abyss" Yes, muhammed was full of wise comments about shit. He knew his shit alright.
wilsparky 3 years ago
they come from hadiths. man made texts about his alleged sayings that were written down much much later after his death
AFGalwayz 3 years ago
you have clearly lost the way
omsivoham 3 years ago
o really, i tought Islam is for all humanity!!?? Not just concentrated in one country, where 'the real stuff' is...
WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE this man with a noble speech & trying to bridge the gap between some puritans & moderates.
There is only one Islam & it's ment for everyone.
omsivoham 3 years ago
shaving your beard is not haram. neither is there any ban on music by the QURAN.
Quran is the ultimate source of law. ayahs and hadiths are secondary. god does not need humans to decree divine laws. if something is not banned in the quran, its not banned in islam.
"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114
AFGalwayz 3 years ago
That's right.
If music was haraam, then why does Al-Wahhabiya Fundamentalist State of Saudi Arabia have orchestra played in its national anthem?
If painting realistic portraits is haraam, then why do the kings of Saudi Arabia, have realistic painted portraits of themselves, including puritanical King Faisal?
Quran doesn't put any restrictions on this, what so ever.
ultradestruction 3 years ago
Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic state or khalifate ... not just that, but there is no evidence in Islam for having a "national anthem" or even for "nationalism"... it's something imported from the Europe of the 19th century.
dutchabdullah 3 years ago 3
And yes... according to the Sunnah, Music is haram.
dutchabdullah 3 years ago 3
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NaDeeMizME 2 years ago
@ultradestruction Saudi Arabia also has riba based banks, don't let women drive, and allow the Americans to use their bases as they kill Iraqis. Lets not judge Islam based upon Saudi Arabia.
jihadifanclub 1 year ago
That's not accurate... the Quran is the most important source for Sunni Sharia law but not the ONLY source... there's the ahadith as well. I think you'll find Music is haram and there is a very good reason for it.
dutchabdullah 3 years ago 2
but u must understand that the quran is the divine source of law. all other laws that are not from god's books are man made. if a culture deems music to be unacceptable and prohibits it, its up to the people whether they want to accept it. but if the ruling body is calling it the will of god without the source material of the quran or the past books of god, it can be determined as hearsay.
the hadiths are man made books about the alleged sayings of the prophet muhammad.
AFGalwayz 3 years ago
So are you suggesting that we only follow the Quran and get rid of everything else
ie.:(Hadith)?
AbdulWahhid 3 years ago
if something is beneficial and logical in a hadith it should be followed. just as there are books on society and science that are good. but we shouldn't call those books divine or associate them to the divinity of the religion. to say that hadiths are required for a person to be a complete muslim is to say the quran is incomplete.
the jews made this mistake with their holy book. today, the talmud which was created by jewish mystics is relied upon more than the torah allah sent to them.
AFGalwayz 3 years ago
quran is not the only sourceof legislation. The quran does tell you how to pray, how to do wudu, what breaks wudu. if you limit yourself to following quran you will miss these rulings. eg ask any muslim and they will tell you its forbidden for men to wear silk. This however is not in the quran but the ahadith.
ilovetodrinkblood 2 years ago
quran is the supreme rule of law. praying has been past down from generation to generation by the ways abraham. the hadiths heavily contradict the quran. they are full of fallacies and inconsistencies. forbidding that which god has not forbidden is a major sin. stoning is allowed by way of hadith but the quran does not indorse stoning people to death. people claim that the verses for stoning were not compiled into the quran but that would be saying that the quran is incomplete which is a sin.
AFGalwayz 2 years ago
Your views are worrying. Please sit with a qualified Islamic scholar and discuss your views. Brother-I fear for you.
ilovetodrinkblood 2 years ago
you can discover islam for yourself. I am confident that if you truly look into the issue and research hadiths, you will realize that they hold no divine authority over mankind and that at the core, are often contradictory to the way of life allah swt told us to live.
the core of islam is not that hard to follow or understand and guidelines to paradise are stated clearly in the quran.
AFGalwayz 2 years ago
@AFGalwayz i really appreciate your views...without intoxicating myself with he excess gibberish that is out there folllowed by ignorant youths who serve half the time no purpose to society, my views are based on logic and faith and a simple understanding that there is no other law but the law of god and the law of god is expressed in the quran which the progphet SWT has passed down to us. hadiths are the sole reason why the thrid world is called the thid wolrd and the west is the west!
haruny21 7 months ago
@AFGalwayz i really appreciate your views...without intoxicating myself with he excess gibberish that is out there folllowed by ignorant youths who serve half the time no purpose to society, my views are based on logic and faith and a simple understanding that there is no other law but the law of god and the law of god is expressed in the quran which the prophet SWT has passed down to us. hadiths are the sole reason why the thrid world is called the thid wolrd and the west is the west!
haruny21 7 months ago
actually the Quran tells us that a primary trait of idolators is that they stone people. Abrahams father threatend him with stoning, lot etc.. stoning is something that disbelievers practice. Look at these ayat for proof;: 18.20, 19.46 , 36.18 etc..
fucknuaf 2 years ago
Only certain Hadith's should be followed. Any Hadith that contradicts Al Quran should be voided immediately. However, Al Quran is the ultimate and source of knowledge in Islam, and therefore, if something is not mentioned in there, it bears little significance.
masteradnin 2 years ago
ALL hadith should be voided on that reason alone. it is but hearsay collected all over arabia and we have no way of knowing of it is true or not. These chains of narrators is a shallow a proof as can be. half of the American population found bush trustworthy....whom people think is trustworthy is NO indication of whether these people actually ARE trustworthy and thus we have to completely disregard it as hearsay and properbly the work of the enemies of islam. like it or not.
fucknuaf 2 years ago
@AFGalwayz You must follow hadith. If you don't then pray only one rakat during your 5 daily prayers because rakat are in hadith.
jihadifanclub 1 year ago
@jihadifanclub salat came down to the prophet abraham...we have been doing it for a lot longer than hadith my friend.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz However the proper way to pray is in the hadith. You can't pray in any fashion.
jihadifanclub 1 year ago
@jihadifanclub how did people pray before the hadith?
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz People did pray the 5 daily prayers until it was introduced.
jihadifanclub 1 year ago
@jihadifanclub your saying people prayed 5 times a day before it was published in hadith? thats great
you need to understand that hadiths are books that are open to criticize. there are facts and historical references in there that are right but not everything in there is set in stone and not allowed to be questioned.
stating that hadith are absolutely needed for a muslim would be to argue that the quran is not enough. which would be a sin.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz We learn the proper way of how to pray from the hadith. There are two authenric hadith which are Bukhari and Muslim. The rest are unauthentic. You can not follow the Quran only because the Quran is not enough. How are we supposed to run an Islamic state and implement all the proper laws without the hadith to tell us?
jihadifanclub 1 year ago
@jihadifanclub astafurallah my friend. your saying god's words are not enough for our religion...
"(31:27) " If all the trees on earth were made into pens, and the ocean supplied the ink, augmented by seven more oceans, the words of GOD would not run out. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise"
"[7:185]...Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which Hadith, beside this, do they believe in?"
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@jihadifanclub im also curious which part of islamic state is not covered in quran?
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz For example what are the proper ways of performing offensive and defensive jihad for the Islamic state? The Quran is only one source. Also if Allah (swt) only wanted us to follow the Quran he would have just sent it down. He sent Muhammad (pbuh) to guide us in detail. For example proper hijab for and beards are obligitory but they are not in the Quran. The Hadith are important for details.
jihadifanclub 1 year ago
@jihadifanclub the proper ways of war are outlined fully in the quran. the quran has full rules of engagement and also when war is permitted... the hadith were not permitted by god. they are thus not a source that is 100% without fault. god has fully detailed what the religion should be.
anything else you think is not in the quran that would be needed in the islamic state?
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz Sure. You are one of the very few Muslims on earth that beliees the authentic hadiths are not to be followed. This is a typical attitude of Muslims that HATE to follow rules and like to do as they please.
jihadifanclub 1 year ago
"Sure. " great response lol. most of the time when the word hadith is mentioned in quran its referring to people relying on other texts that god has not allowed. divine law > human law.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz The hadith is not human law it is the sayings of Muhammad (pbuh). When Muhammad made things manditory such as not listening to music we must follow it.
jihadifanclub 1 year ago
@jihadifanclub
1. the mission of the prophet was to lead at the time of his life and reveal the quran. he lived by the quran
2. you must substantiate the claim that music is made haram in the hadith and that this is absolutely clear and that the hadiths are 100% accurate.
3. and you must substantiate that claim in accordance to the quran which states that the quran is complete, god does not run out of words or forget to mention what is necessary in religion.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz Read the Quran and you will see that it is not complete. Then go listen to any lecture about Islam and 9 times out of 10 they will use evidence from the hadith to back up their points not the Quran. From wearing a beard, to the hijab, to stoning the adulturer it is in the hadith not the Quran.
jihadifanclub 1 year ago
@jihadifanclub even the most staunch scholars of islam will agree that much that the quran is complete. their argument for hadith is that it explains the quran. what your arguing on the other hand is sin and sin.
stoning the adulterer is haram. the punishment for adultery in the quran is 100 lashes. the penalty is never death for adultery in the quran. wearing a beard is also not mandatory nor is it required to be a muslim. the dress code for a woman is detailed in the quran as well.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz Explaing the Quran is a huge part of the hadith. But also it does have many things not in the Quran such as having a beard, the drawing of humans or animals, or covering ones hair while praying. Hence the Quran orders Muslims to OBEY Muhammad. Stoning is the adulterer is a part of Islam and it is to be practiced under proper circumstances. Punishment for fornication is 100 lashes. Please find evidence that a beard is optional, covering the hair is in the Quran & stoning is haram.
jihadifanclub 1 year ago
@jihadifanclub stoning people for adultery is haram because the quranic punishment for it is 100 lashes. even scholars who uphold hadiths admit that beards are optional.
it was the infidels who stoned people to death for such things. stoning people for adultery is a sin because god has clearly outlined the correct punishment. the dress code for woman is to dress modestly, cover themselves and guard their bodies. the quran ordered muslims to obey muhammad in the sense of him as a leader.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@jihadifanclub
"This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe." 12:111
[6:38] There is not an animal (that lives) on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but (forms part of) communities like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they (all) shall be gathered to their Lord in the end.
you can take it up god if you like about the quran being incomplete
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz Then whats the point of the hadith if the Quran is all one needs? And why are things like beards, hijab, ect. obligitory even if they are not found in the Quran?
jihadifanclub 1 year ago
@jihadifanclub thats my whole point. there is no point in the hadith. hadith were created because god alone was not good enough for people. so they added their own things into the religion by getting statements about the prophet that cannot in a lot of cases be even proven true.
terms of faith, the hadith contradict eachother, the quran and how god's prophet would behave. in other words, the quran gives us guidance to use our mind while the hadith makes ur robots following a personality cult
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz The Hadith are recordings of the saying and doings of Muhammad (pbuh). Allah (swt) used him as an example to man kind because there was no way every detail could have fit inside the Quran. Hence that is why the Quran says you must obey Muhammad. Muhammad lived his live exactly the way Allah wante him. Everything he did and said was from Allah not his own doings. That is why we use him as an example and do everything that he ordered based upon the hadith. He ordered us to follow it.
jihadifanclub 1 year ago
@jihadifanclub
the problem is the authenticity of the hadith. they were compiled hundreds of years after his death. another point is we cant base our life and laws from that long ago. the prophet peace be upon him would have had different laws in todays time. the only laws that are permanent are those of the quran.
you seem to be in a disagreement with god. everything in relation to being a muslim is in the quran. arguing otherwise would be to say god lied or that the quran is incorrect.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz Bukhari and Muslim are the authentic hadith we follow. It has been this way for 1400 years. The science that goes into verifying authentic hadith is very precise and has been tested by multiple factors. We can not base our lives on laws from a long time ago and "modernization"is no reason for us to abandon Islamic Law. The Quran says obey the messenger (pbuh) and Muhammad has said that we must follow his example.
jihadifanclub 1 year ago
@jihadifanclub bukhari and muslim are said to be authentic. however the sahih hadiths even contradict eachother. the chain of narration is broken in hadiths where the people in the beginning were not even alive when bukhari wrote them down...in addition to this, parts of the hadith are not in accordance with the quran and the hadiths in the early islamic era were outlawed.
moreover, god in the quran always said to follow this hadith (quran) and this sunnah (of god) and not others.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz
'' however the sahih hadiths even contradict eachother.''
seriously, too many ignorant people make claims like this when they dont have any true knowledge , havent sat down with a scholar and studied the deen from a person of true knowledge. They buy their bukharis, muslims , translations even which is a joke, then read and then think they know something and say this means that and contradicts this and start talking like they know something. Learn adab of ilm from past imams.
TheKap1an 1 year ago
@TheKap1an "[54:17] We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?"
"Which Hadith other than this do they uphold?" 77:50"
""These are God's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?" 45:6"
it seems pretty straightforward. god is saying quran is the only source of religion (that cannot be challenged and is guranteed to be free of errors), you and "scholars" disagree.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz
Lool,
''you and "scholars" disagree.''
Look at the level of respect you have for the great scholars of the past who gave their lives to the deen, back then they wouldnt even take you as a witness.
Taking things out of context just like Islamic haters. Your stance is the same as the hypocrites during the time of the Prophet, before the battle, the ones with weak faith and the hypocrites tried to find a way of not going to war, so they ended up saying 'it doesnt say go to -
TheKap1an 1 year ago
@TheKap1an i dont really care what they would have taken me for. the message is from the lord and it has been delivered. all i can do is preach what it says and it says to follow the hadith of god and that it should be the source of religious law.
they used their man made system to convey something as absolute truth. god' system is perfect, fully detailed and revealed. what you wish to follow is up to you.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
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TheKap1an 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz
- saying 'it doesnt say go to war in the Quran so were not going, we only accept the message you bring ( in other words JUST the Quran), and not what you say as personal authority.'
Then in surah Muhammad the ayah was revealed saying Muhammad, not rasoolullah, so you accept him as messenger AND Muhammad, you obey him aswell.
So how do you know how to pray?
You dont even know who Abu Lahab is then, or which ayahs were meant for the Prophet specifically, or just the muslims then.
TheKap1an 1 year ago
@TheKap1an how to pray is detailed in the quran as well. salat was given to the prophet abraham and was present before bukhari et all decided to write them down in their books.
the details of how to perform prayer is in the quran. otherwise you'd be arguing that god
1. ran out of words which he does not (quran 18:109)
2. the quran is incomplete which its not
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz
''and was present before bukhari et all decided to write them down in their books.''
How did we recieve he Quran? Through mutawaatir transmissions, starting with the companions, how did we recieve hadith? Through mutawaatir transmissions starting with the companions.
Who's saying Allah ran out of words? Whos saying Quran is incomplete?
So what does Allah mean when He says if you do not know then ask the people of knowledge?
Why does Allah say obey Allah AND His messenger?
TheKap1an 1 year ago
@TheKap1an "how did we recieve hadith" scholars determining which are sahih and which are not. there is insurance on the quran as it has been fully approved by our lord. you are comparing the words and message of the lord to those of what we THINK the prophet said 100s of years after his death.
the last person i spoke with jihadifanclub LOL stated that the quran was incomplete.
obey the messenger was to obey the message. the prophet's mission was to lead us until the revelation was complete
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz
So when the Quran says 'drive them out of where they drove you out', you dont even know what exactly right? You dont know who Abu Lahab is, to you its just a random name. You dont know the qibla before the Kaaba, you dont know the first revelation, the age of the Prophet when he recieved it, you dont know the companions etc etc, you dont know a LOT of things then.
TheKap1an 1 year ago
@TheKap1an i honestly dont get what your points are.
here is where we differ. your saying i have to have religious faith in hadith.
i'm telling you they are historical books that are open to criticism and inaccuracies.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz
Obviously Hadith arent equal to the Quran. The actions of the Prophet, the hadtih, are the carrying out of the Quran. And yes you cant understand absolutely everything by reading the Quran, Allah says ask the people of knowledge, Allah says obey MUHAMMAD. Tell me the method of salaat in the Quran?? Your so called anti hadith school of thought is a pure innovation, muslims in the past embodied the spirit of Islam without even reading the Quran, so your school fails already.
TheKap1an 1 year ago
@TheKap1an "muslims in the past embodied the spirit of Islam without even reading the Quran, so your school fails already."
your logic is not adding up. after the prophet died, there was no bukhari to tell people this is how you should pray. your giving divinity to hadith by excluding them of possible human error.
the final question begs is it possible to be a righteous muslim by following the quran only. disagreeing would be to disagree with god.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
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@AFGalwayz
''your logic is not adding up. after the prophet died, there was no bukhari to tell people this is how you should pray. ''
The method of prayer was and is recieved by mutawaatir transmissions, and we have certain hadith on mutawaatir level, so many people saying the same thing in different places that it CANT have been a lie.
''the final question begs is it possible to be a righteous muslim by following the quran only.''
Translations of Quran are fairly recent.
TheKap1an 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz
''the final question begs is it possible to be a righteous muslim by following the quran only.''
Translations of Quran are fairly recent dont forget. In the past the vast majority of muslim didnt have a Quran interpreted into their own language, they had the Prophets example to follow transmitted to them.
TheKap1an 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz
''after the prophet died, there was no bukhari to tell people this is how you should pray. your giving divinity to hadith by excluding them of possible human error.''
?? The method of prayer was transmitted via mutawaatir transmissions, so many people saying the same thing in all different places, they cant have all agreed on the same one lie, certain hadith are on a mutawaatir chain of transmission as well.
TheKap1an 1 year ago
@TheKap1an
i come from a school of thought where god's book is the only source of religious law. to make hadith mandatory is to say god's system is not good enough. we need these additional books because god did not make the message clear in his book? it pretty contradictory. the jews made the talmud, the christians corrupted the bible and the muslims add in hadiths. god's word has never been good enough for people.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz
And can you tell me where in the Quran it says how many raka'a for what prayer, the order of the actions etc? Tell me how we know this without the Prophet himself? So if you lived in the Prophets time would you reject his own authority and only accept the Quran? So you dont know a LOT of the context of the verses then? You dont even know the Qibla before the Kaaba? You dont know anything about the Prophets life? Who even IS the Prophet?
TheKap1an 1 year ago
@TheKap1an except if i lived in the prophet's time i would have no doubt because i would witness the prophet doing it. someone writing down what he supposedly did 100s of years later with most of the people in the chain of the narration being dead is a whole different matter.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz
writing down 100's of years later? We have mutawaatir hadith you know, are you saying large groups of people, large chains of narration in different areas on the same hadith, came together at one place and agreed on a lie??
'how did we pray before we wrote them down in hadith? '
From the Prophet.......
'and which prophet did salat come to?'
We learnt from our Prophet, what sort of questions are these?
So you dont know the context of a LOT of verses in the Quran? Thats just sad.
TheKap1an 1 year ago
@TheKap1an if i lived in the prophet's time there would be no doubt at all on these matters because we would be able to witness the prophet and refer to him.
here is a great question. how did we pray before we wrote them down in hadith? and which prophet did salat come to?
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@jihadifanclub now im definitely not saying that hadith should be banned or anything like that, hadith can be used as a historical reference. however, they are absolutely unnecessary in terms of being a muslim. we cannot base our laws of the 21st century with the laws of 1000s of years ago. the only way we can do this is if these laws are divine and meant to be universal throughout time. the only source of law that remains that way is the quran, the final complete revelation by allah.
AFGalwayz 1 year ago
@AFGalwayz Islam is a complete way of life. He who rules other than what Allah reveals if a disbeliever. It is not permissable for Muslims to rule by "new modern laws". We must run our societies based strictly on laws from the Quran and Sunnah. That means running our society the way they were run 1400 years ago. Secularism, democracy, and capitalism are not compatible with Islam. We hae our own system that is to be practiced called the Shariah (Islamic Law).
jihadifanclub 1 year ago
@jihadifanclub the system of democracy is compatible with islam. provided that the democratic state is based on an islamic constitution. people wanted heriditary rule when the prophet was dying and some wanted his relatives, the prophet pbuh thought by many to say chose amongst yourselves as in come to an agreement on who is leader. in addition, the quran is a document that stands against extremism and is beacon of human rights and dignity. oppreson is worse than slaughter
AFGalwayz 2 months ago
@AFGalwayz Democracy is not defined as simply picking ones leader. Democracy is a system where people are allowed to pick the laws based upon voting, so under a democratic system people could vote to leagalize things the Quran forbids. Hence the word "democracy" which means "people rule". Just because people may have a say so in some things under Islamic sule does not mean Islam is democratic.
jihadifanclub 2 months ago
@jihadifanclub seems to be incorrect democracy means coming to a decision. if a country has its foundation on islam and an islamic constitution, democracy can work. if the state decides to ignore islam then it is no longer an islamic state. this can be said for all form of government whether its monarchy, republic etc. islam gives us guide lines on how to treat each other and how to behave as a community and as a state, how we run that state is up to us so long as it does not break divine rules
AFGalwayz 2 months ago
@jihadifanclub what you seem be against more the idea of the separation of church and state" secularism. both of which are not necessarily democratic by any means.
AFGalwayz 2 months ago
Why would Allah endow us with the gift of creating beautiful patterns of notes and then ban it and say it is haram? The Qur'an is limited in its use of notes because this limition allow us to memorized it in the most practical fashion. Muhammad(PBUH)had his revelation for 23 years of his life and never does the Qur'an mention instruments.
chaeguevarakorean 3 years ago
Peace and Love to all.
Clearly I need to perfect myself as I will go into my own grave. Live and let live.
safster11 3 years ago
Ya Allah; make Islam become strong as it was during the time of Prophet Mohammad (saw). Muslim Ummah is in a desperate need of the right guidance; 2 help remain steadfast on the true path, through fair as well as in times of hardship!
Help in healing the physically sick, showing mercy 2 those weak in Imman, & free to unite those forcefully divided ppl, 2 welcome the fresh faces, who hear about Islam n want to know more to embrace it.
May Allah protect n guide the Muslim ummah.
Ameen
mawnyz 3 years ago 7
Ameen!
RomanticConfusion 3 years ago
Ameen!
ibokara1988 3 years ago
@mawnyz
Ameen
whitemanstand72 1 year ago
TRUUTHZ,
By the way, I find it hypocritical that you are using something other than the Qur'an to say "that no one shall take anything from him EXCEPT QURAN."
Furthermore, I find it even more hypocritical that on your own channel description, you quote "Ali Ibne Talib (Radi Allah Unhu)".
How can you preach something that you don't follow?
QDJMan 4 years ago
TRUUTHZ,
"Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much." Qur'an, 33:21
So tell me--how will you adhere to this verse of the Qur'an?
QDJMan 4 years ago
QDJMan, if music was haraam then why would the prophet (pbuh) tell the sahaba to inform the prophet (pbuh) when the people stopped playing... would he have not told the sahaba to cover their ears too? If it was haraam then we would have been specifically informed that it is, and we have not therefore it is not Haraam and it would be Bidah to say it is.
Sakimonk 4 years ago 2
"Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much." Qur'an, 33:21
QDJMan 4 years ago
TRUUTHZ,
Alcohol and prostrating down to another person were allowed in previous times (i.e. time of Joseph, etc.)--does this mean that because it was once allowed, we should hold that as an excuse today for us to be able to drink alcohol and prostrate to other people?
"This is the Book (the Quran), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqoon." Qur'an, 2:2
QDJMan 4 years ago
where did you get that from? "Alcohol and prostrating down to another person were allowed in previous times (i.e. time of Joseph, etc.)"
-just curious, don't worry, i'm not trying to "out-muslim" you or anything.
Enjoin good music and forbid evil music. peace.
RomanticConfusion 3 years ago
You will find, then, that music is simply that which you want it to be. In other words, music to someone will be mere noise to another. Listening to people talking can be music to somebody, but to another music is distinct from speech.
How, then, can a major religion discuss the ethics of music (even worse, to judge music as an evil entity) when they cannot possibly even agree on the definition of that which they're judging?
tarmac22 4 years ago
I AGREE WITH YOU
kholoud7 4 years ago
finally, a breath of fresh air.
aakm1 3 years ago
A bigger problem for you all, now that you're debating the ethical nature of 'music', is to define exactly what music is and what it's not.
Is music simply sound, or deliberate sound? What about silence (the absence of sound) - is that music also?
Is speech music (listen back to Murad's recorded lecture)? If not, then why is bird song considered music when that is simply birds speaking to each other?
tarmac22 4 years ago
If we say that music is haram in Islam, then we must provide a verse that supports that claim. Otherwise, music, like the other brother/sister said, can be defined in many different ways. When I hear the Qur'an being recited by Sheikh Abdul Basit, it is music not just to my ears, but to my SOUL! Maasha Allah.
khemarb 4 years ago
....which is why I listen to Muslim music in addition to many other types, even though I am a Christian....
Excellent excerpt! Thank you for posting it.
1 Samuel 16:23, "And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him."
OMM06 5 years ago
I think music is not encouraged in Islam. People were impressed by the character and personality of Othman bin Affan. One characteristic of Othman was he never sang in his life.
iranshahr 5 years ago
(part one of two)
a fact, what you said may have some truth, yet we need to be more analytical about things. we cant just make a statement of how things were and follow it as a rule. ...so some people are not too musically inclined in their expressions... and if he was known in history not to have sung, then-i dunno, but to my logic- maybe.. just maybe, others were known to occasionally partake in the activity...
firas6 4 years ago
(part two of two)
Again, as Khemarb posted - we can only accept that music is haram when we can also provide a verse to support our judgement.
otherwise, we're only coming to conclusions by looking at specific details of historical (nevertheless)humans.-details that can, like in this case, have moderate variation from one individual to the next. i personally believe we should avoid such methods of creating the rules we set in our lives. ofcourse god knows best..
firas6 4 years ago
This man is brilliant!
69screenwriter 5 years ago
and Yes btw,
Music is Haram(PROHIBITED).
may Allah guide Sufis to the right uncrooked way of Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamaa'. The righteous Salaf... Ameen
JAALIUS 5 years ago
the salaf are NOT ahlul sunnah wal jammat. "wal jamaat" implies a majority - which the salafi certainly are not in the islamic world.
nextman6515 5 years ago
enviousenemy! shut ur hole
khancharsi 5 years ago
Plain And simple. MUSIC IS HARAAM IN THE DEEN OF ISLAAM.
yourenviousenemy 5 years ago
your'e pretty ignorant- you know that?
nextman6515 5 years ago
yourenviousenemy... So if I tap my foot on the floor and snap my fingers in rhythm (a form of music) all while SINGING the praises of Allah, that's haraam??
wwwMeccaCentricCom 5 years ago 10
@wwwMeccaCentricCom they talk about this and go listen to rap...i dont know if music to cure, is haram or not. but listening to music and dancing to it, and letting urself go wild is most defintely not allowed in islam and vdos like these create misunderstanding.
oh and btw plz dont snap ur fingers while reading the quran :P
orauf1 1 year ago
@orauf1 Do you have any evidence of these claims of yours? I will kindly refer you to; But say not - for any false thing that your tongues may put forth, - "This is lawful, and this is forbidden," so as to ascribe false things to God. For those who ascribe false things to God, will never prosper. 16:116 ..If you think something is directly haram...you better have the evidence to proove it!
fucknuaf 1 year ago
@wwwMeccaCentricCom yes it is haram
yourenviousenemy 1 year ago
@wwwMeccaCentricCom ask urself this: is it haram to serve alchohol at a masjid during a night of prayer and rememberance? Maybe the alchohol will make some people feel more emotional during the worship and in fact a lot of potheads claim that marijuana can increase the spirituality in a meditative experience but does any of that make it halal?? Of course not! Alchohol is haram and so is mhsic so it doesn't matter how u use them they are forbidden. We have to worship in a permissable manner.
yourenviousenemy 1 year ago
@wwwMeccaCentricCom, yeah that is haraam. where did u learn to worship Allah swt in that way. did our prophet sing and dance about Allah swt? did he saws tap his foot and sing the praises of Allah swt, that is an innovation. show me the hadith. by your logic i can pray 7 rakats for fajr because it is still worshipping Allah, or i can drink alcohol as long as i think of Allah swt while doing it. music is haraam fullstop, stop trying to change the deen oh innovator.
israelifaggot 1 year ago
@yourenviousenemy you wahabi! may Allah guide you!
98705781 1 year ago
@98705781 mashaAllah very intellectual response! Your point by point refutation clearly makes haste of my argument. Ameen, and u too
yourenviousenemy 1 year ago
@yourenviousenemy Brother, why are you looking at Youtube. You are involved in bid`ah. Innovation. Pure and simple. The Prophet never looked at the internet. You are engaged in the acts of a kafir. Enjoying kafir technology. AND you are looking at images. IMAGES. This is shirk brother. Astaghfirullah. ALL IMAGES IN ISLAM ARE UNLAWFUL. So don't be a hypocrite, take that computer of yours and toss it out the window. Ameen.
wozza2341 1 year ago
@wozza2341 akhi you just implied that I'm a kafir based on the fact that I am upholding the statement that Muhammad SalAllahu 3alayhi wa Sallam used to say at the beginning of EVERY khutba or festive lecture:
"and every newly invented matter in religion is a innovation, and every innovation is a misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Fire of Hell"
But some people claim this means we reject technology. Actually the muslims who practiced this were the pioneers of modernization.
yourenviousenemy 1 year ago
@wozza2341 (part 2) ...pioneers of modernization. Much of the math and science that muslim scholars compiled have led the way for contemporary technology to exist. We also designed the modern day school system and we exceeded europe in hygeine, manners, and most of all politics so much so that when europeans wanted to educate themselves they wud do so in the muslim lands where their situation was better. Bid'ah in worldy matters is encouraged, but in islam it is unacceptable
yourenviousenemy 1 year ago
@wozza2341 (part 3) ...is unacceptable. The reason for this is inclusove to logic. Allah is perfect and He does not make mistakes. For u to claim that Allah did not tell us something that we can do to worship Him is like saying Allah forgot, which is kufr. To say Allah wanted us to guess what we can do to worship Him is saying that Allah is unfair, which is kufr. And to say that Allah taught you something that He didn't teach Muhammad is to deny that Muhammad SAWS is the last prophet and
yourenviousenemy 1 year ago
@wozza2341 (part 4) ...prophet and to declare yourself as such which is also kufr. So ultimately when it comes to religious matters of worship everything has to come from quran and sunnah or at least have a basis there. And to add or take away from deen is majorly evil and this does not apply to technology or any other psuedo science.
yourenviousenemy 1 year ago
IS HE A SUFI??
TimJus 5 years ago
yes he is, and a very wise sufi indeed.
nextman6515 5 years ago
there is no such thing as "wise sufi"...all sufis are misguidet...so you shouldn't be proud but indeed you should make dua so that Allah guides him...wasalam
TimJus 3 years ago
assalamualaykom,
i think he made it clear enough when he mentioned the 'noble end' factor that should be involved. this means any music that would lead people to behaviour and mindsets that oppose the 'pure intentions' aspect of being a muslim would not be advisable. other than that, music is nutrition for the soul.
nevertheless, i shall end with wallahu'aalam (and god knows best).
firas6 5 years ago
Thank you also to our non-muslim friends that posted a comment and had a reference in the Gospel (Injeel). Innsha Allah, we can all spread peace (Islam) and knowledge.
Maassalaam.
khemarb 4 years ago