45 times. This guy couldn't help himself because Shame isn't a word he knows about. But it only draws further on the opinion of "sadie". It's all low grade garbage which essentially what the Manson crew was all about. Sadie was full of shit at the expense of the tate family. Steven Kay may look like a Dork but give him credit for keeping these jerks in Prison and away from society.
Maury has a fre4akshow going on here and Sharons sister shouldnt have even been in the same room with the clowns,,,u should be proud of yourself Maury
Here's why those girls and the whole manson narrative are full of shit. Manson was not "a manipulator." He was someone who wanted to manipulate. But he sucked very bad at it. That's why 99.99% of society see a psychopath. They are the only ones who accepted what was being offered in that circle at the time. They were simply a group of misfits and psychopaths. They were not brainwashed by him. They were there because they wanted to be and got in over their heads.
sure you did susan! you were so excited before you left the ranch on the way to bev hills. In fact, you even said " we are going to kill some motherfucking pigs" thank God this demon is dead
You know, here's the thing, you can't beat hate with hate. You have to learn to forgive. Susan did a terrible, terrible thing. But obviously, these women were NOT in their right mind.
You can not beat hatred with hatred, hate caused the crime, hate caused the loss, hate only hurts more people. It takes a better person to forgive and love.
@MelodiesStrawberrii You just gave us the cure. Jesus said, Love your enemies. Bless them that curse you. Pray for them who oppress you. I believe Susan A is with Christ today, and I believe her testimony. Everyone thinks they know her heart. Nobody does, in fact I am 65 and don't even fully know my own heart.
I seen an interview where Atkins said "Look bitch, I don't care about you, I don't care about your baby, and I kept stabbing her and stabbing her." word for word.
susan should have been deprived of her human rights and locked in a prison cell outright without a trial, the cell key thrown away at an inaccessible place..Well 1 of the motives she stabbed innocent tate mite be envy: tate was gorgeous like an angel and susan was ugly as the devil, did u notice a thin mustache surrounding her upper lip? hah the bitchs burning in hell by now
cjtj8: "You don't see Atkins as being so very different than yourself." Don't say I'm hate filled, you are. You just compared yourself to a goulish murderer. We are not all capable of doing the absolute horror that the Manson family did. You must approve of killing little babies too. Sharon's baby lived for 20 minutes after his mother died. If you don't know, a baby has a heart beat a long time before they're born. I just stated the facts and made no angry hateful remarks. You did !
None of the Manson killers deserve sympathy and as far as there being no so called evidence that Susan killed anyone according to cjtj8, Susan admitted to stabbing the Polish house guess repeatedly.
If anyone deserves hate filled words it's Manson and his half brained followers. You should be more worried about why you think anyone is capable of doing what haggard Susan did. Only sociopaths do what she did. The rest of us wouldn't harm complete strangers. Susan is a fake and only cares about her ugly self. Worry about yourself cjt8.
cjtj8 thinks I'm a sad person full of hate just for telling the truth about the case. I pointed out the toll these crimes took on the Tate family and how we taxpayers have to pay to keep them in prison. They were all sentenced to be gassed. Atkins killed Gary Hinman before therse crimes. You spoke badly about the Tates and their "hate campaign." Have you ever seen the murder photos? THE HORROR ! You would feel very differently if a member of your family was butchered like that. You're sad
You have to remember that all of them recieved the death sentence which was then changed to life with parole a year later by the dumb ass California Supreme Court. They would have been gassed in the 80's or maybe early 90's. Most of them have BS degrees which you paid for. Your taxpayer money kept these monsters alive for 40 years. Look at the poor Tate family! Two dead daughers, a father, a mother and a little baby who lived for 20 minutes after his mother died (Sharon). RIP ALL
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I think you are a very sad, hate filled person. I also think you (and many of the others who have posted here) are potentially dangerous because to be consumed by so much hate is an excessive condition. What happens if someone upsets you ?
I also think that Patti Tate, Stephen Kay, and Debra Tate have lost far more than they could ever gain by their hate campaign against Susan Atkins.
There is a coldness and a hardness about them that I find frightening. Where will it go when she has gone ?
I don't have to take this kind of abuse from some Manson loving idiot like you. Nobody in my life has called me a sad, hate filled person. What happens if someone upsets me? I've had things a thousand times worse than that happen and I never tied up nor would ever think about hanging, stabbing, laughing at, mocking a helpless pregnant woman like Atkins did or calling the victim a BITCH. That's the last thing Sharon was called before they had their gory fun before they killed her. Rot in Hell
I don't get why anyone supports Susan Atkins. She admitted to being at Gary Hinman's home and watching him get his ear cut off and watching him be killed but did nothing. Susan is SLIME. I know you 1916 and you are someone filled with love and compassion. Manson lovers are Sick as hell.
Anyone who knows you is aware of what a happy and cmpassionate person you are. What bullshit that comes out of a person's mouth who is hiding behind their computer is Null and Void. Susan Atkins was diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder. Therefore Susan is a sociopath and those kinds of people lie a lot. When they open their mouth lies fly out. The Supreme Court were a bunch of stupid people.
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why am I a 'Manson loving idiot' just because I find your very angry, hate filled words (and those of your friends) worrying ?
I am in no way excusing what happened. It is inexcusable. I am not a Manson follower, I am simply making a point.
I do not see someone like Susan Atkins as being so very different from myself. I think that under the right circumstances we are all capable of doing bad things though it can be very hard to understand how people get to that point.
You couldn't be more wrong than to say that 1916jutland is a very sad hate filled person. 1916 is quite the opposite. I think since you're an Atkins supporter you should let her come live in your home.
Atkins was chosen by Manson to kill because she had it in her. Rehabilitation is good, BUT her crime was heinous. She even took Tate's blood & wrote PIG on the front door. She had the chance to testify against the murderers, but she turned it down. She stays in prison til SHE dies having lived longer by 35 more yrs than Tate got. Tate's dead child would be 40 now! He never got to live at all!
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Yeah, I think she's vastly different than another person that maybe stabbed one person & and the differences are made crystal clear in graphic detail in each and every parole denial decision. It doesn't matter if she delivered the fatal blows or not, she's as guilty. She's lucky to have a sentence that allows her to apply for parole, but the Parole Board doesn't have to release her if the violence and severity of human suffering of the crimes outweigh other "conditions."
Patti Tate passed away a few years ago and is buried with her mother, Sharon, and Sharon's son Paul (the unborn baby) . Patti was a lovely woman and very reminiscent of her sister Sharon.
No matter how heinous a crime a criminal commits, he is subject to the rule of law. If the law says the criminal can be released when XYZ conditions are met, then when XYZ conditions are met you HAVE to release them. So stop with these emotional arguments as to why not to release the Manson women. Legally, you have no choice. Do it or abandon all pretexts that we live in a just society - its inconceivable that some people should be judged on a double standard for virtually identical crimes
Neither is true. People spend an average of 7 years in prison for murder, and Susan has spent nearly twice as long for every victim. She committed murder at the behest of a charismatic cult leader who she hasn't been in contact with in decades. By every legal and ethical standard she should be free right now.
So go ahead and have every murderer executed. She's no worse than any other. Change the law so that murderers are never paroled.
There's a clear double standard at work here whereby the vast majority of murderers are paroled but certain political cases are routinely denied parole despite not being a risk to society.
This is where you are wrong gokiburi. The State of California does NOT have to release the manson women when xyz conditions are met. You clearly don't realize that the parole board is completely within the laws of the state of california to DENY their parole on the nature of the crimes. They carefully outline the criteria for their denials every time. There "multiple victims", the overkill, the "inexplicable motive" , the "callous disregard for human suffering."
The manson criminals are "subject to the rule of the law" & the "rule of the law" is that the crimes may be considered by the parole board. But you tell 'em! Have you not heard the women complain that the reasons they are denied are the very things they cannot change? They did the crimes, now they have to do the time. Look up the precedents in california before you spew ignorance. They don't HAVE to release them, and they aren't going to release them. It's the crimes, stupid.
First of all, numerous people have stabbed one person to death and been paroled. LVH stabbed one person to death *maybe* (this is a disputed fact) - is she any different from any other person on this planet who stabbed someone to death? Why do they get parole and not her? As for the other two, SA and PK both stabbed three people each - 40 years ago. That's 10+ years per victim and a spotless prison record since
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Actually, all the evidence suggests that Susan Atkins didn't KILL anyone. The knife she took to the Tate residence was found at the scene (she said she dropped it) and tested by forensics and had no trace of Sharon Tate's blood on it. This didn't come out at the trial because the Defence never presented it's case. Yes she was deeply involved, and she admits as much, but did she actually kill anyone ? I think not.
admittedly there aren't any cases I can find of a mass murderer being paroled in the US - but that has something to do with the small number of mass murderers who have actually been arrested, more than it has to do with some unwritten rule that mass murder = no chance of parole. The very fact that PK and SA are serving life WITH the possibility of parole entitles them to that parole if all conditions are met. Those conditions have been met. No other mass murderer was ever so placed
Patti is the calm, reasonable voice on this whole stupid show. Patti has the same lovely gentleness that Sharon had. I am going to say a prayer for her and the other victims families on this--the 40th anniversary of the Manson murders.
i don't care if susan is reformed. if you hit a car by accident, you still have to pay for the damage and take responsibility. susan atkins PURPOSELY killed sharon tate! she has to pay the price, especially since she was sentenced to death at first! she got off easy by not being put in the gas chamber like she was supposed to be! she got life in prison, she needs to die in prison in the hospital ward. sharon tate didn't get to die peacefully in her bed, why should susan??
@rileyronco because You want to be better then a murderer thats why. eye for an eye doesnt count with murder buddy. you still become a murderer. i think 2 wrongs doesnt make 1 right is more correct in this situation. besides you dont have to let them out . all you are asked is not to become a murderer like the murderers. dont execute people. we are not in midevil times .
that fat guy is great. this is earth-shattering-- that he claims he was stabbed (assumedly he meant by susan!) her meekness is all an act?!? by the way, maury is an awful facilitator.
if i was the sister i would have flew at that lawyer bitch ages ago sayin that though i wouldnt be on this joke of a programme makin a loved ones murder into a fuckin farce
I agree with you alphabetsoup.I have read that you can live a much happier life when you are able to forgive.Right now, I don't know how to forgive those who have hurt me.And I also agree with you that the killers should stay in jail for the rest of their lives. They committed multiple murders for no reason other than to scare Terry Melcher and get Bobby Beausoleil out of jail.I don't think I could forgive someone who murdered someone in my family, but that's just me.
You try appearing on national television alongside a bunch of assholes justifying the brutal murder of your own sister and tell us how you like the attention. Moron.
Give me a break people. Every defendant is entitled to a lawyer, regardless of what their crime is. This woman is just doing her job, her client is being sabotaged on a talk show that has not bothered to discuss the facts of this case. Before I am labeled some Manson lover, I think they all are sick, but there is no reason to go after Atkins' lawyer. She is just doing her job, so give her a break.
Atkins's lawyer is arguing that Susan should be rehabilitated because she has shown remorse. a) no one can determine accurately whether Susan is TRULY remorseful, and b) whether Susan is remorseful or not is irrelevant. Everyone feels sorry for the mistakes they've made, but everyone still understands they have a price to pay for them. Debra lives in a fantasy world where this is not the case and brutal murderers should walk free because they are "sorry".
I cannot believe what I am seeing. How can Debra sit there and so blaitently defend Susan Atkins? Surley the issue is not wheather she stabbed Sharron Tate herself, she was there, participating, holding the woman down - she killed her. If Susan has realised the extent of the crime she has commited and is now been rehabilitated then she shouldn't feel that she is worthy of parole. She shouldnt be able to allow herself to deserve a normal life or a life atall
I cannot believe what I am seeing. How can Debra sit there and so blaitently defend Susan Atkins? Surley the issue is not wheather she stabbed Sharron Tate herself, she was there, participating, holding the woman down - she killed her. If Susan has realised the extent of the crime she has commited and is now been rehabilitated then she shouldn't feel that she is worthy of parole. She shouldnt be able to allow herself to deserve a normal life or a life atall.
Steven Kay is disgusting. He has used this tragedy to put himself in the public eye. why do they all feel poor susan can't feel remorse? She was just a girl, under manson's control, also full of crystal, in a state of unreality. Why don't they see she isn't the same?
The killers all deserve to fry, they are scum and they showed no mercy to their victims so they dont deserved to be showed any mercy. Any1 who defends them, or worse, commends them, seriously needs their heads tested.
I believe that it is possible to both forgive the killers and keep them in prison for the rest of their lives at the same time. They seem to have it good in their prespective corectional facilities anyway. Why change things?
They were sentenced to be gassed, but the idiots in the California Supreme Court coverted all their sentences to life with parole. Murderers who have been executed since then didn't even come close to what these gouls did. I had the misfortune to see what they did and especially to poor Sharon Tate. I'm a fan but got diverted to a Manson site. Even veteran LA cops and detectives said they had never seen such a horrible crime. A Manson lover is on my back. Just for stating the facts!
Atkins is probably the most polished liar of the family, she has lied and lied and lied to cover those lies, she does not know what any truth is. In the end, before she wanted freedom or realized she would stay in jail forever, she admitted to stabbing Tate, she admitted to helping kill Gary Hinman, and Shorty Shea. She more than likely helped kill Sebring and Frykowski.
you desever to die you nasty stinking animale. she is a human being that did nothing to you bitch. god does not like murderers like you with all of your hate.
1 John 3:15 (NKJV) Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
Who in the hell are you, you ignorant prick, you can't even spell properly, all you do is try and defend scum, you are a complete moron, and you are also a hypocrite ontop of that. You have a go at people who are saying susan atkins deserves to die, and saying its wrong to wish death on another human being, yet you are then wishing death on them.
is god a moran he defends atkins and not only does he defend atkins but he defends all of us. God loves all of us, he so loved the world that he sent his only son to die for our sins so that we may all have eternal life.
Atkins - no Emmy and no parole for this performance. They deserved a death sentence.
cozener1 1 month ago
FOURTY FIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!
saporedimare83 3 months ago
I'll be back, Right after this.
heehawkdown 4 months ago
Old hag at 5:30... LISTEN!!! You don't know everything! Someone put a baseball bat across Kay's stupid face!
ozzian2000 5 months ago
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Susan Atkins has to be one of the most prolific liars that ever walked on this planet.
fatcatsathat 6 months ago
45 times. This guy couldn't help himself because Shame isn't a word he knows about. But it only draws further on the opinion of "sadie". It's all low grade garbage which essentially what the Manson crew was all about. Sadie was full of shit at the expense of the tate family. Steven Kay may look like a Dork but give him credit for keeping these jerks in Prison and away from society.
pbrucpaul 7 months ago
Maury has a freakshow going on here and Sharons sister shouldnt have even been in the same room with the clowns,,,u should be proud of yourself Maury
parryhouse 7 months ago
Maury has a fre4akshow going on here and Sharons sister shouldnt have even been in the same room with the clowns,,,u should be proud of yourself Maury
parryhouse 7 months ago
OMG at 2:02 the news commercial is for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. It is so weird seeing that...
MichaelMashburn 7 months ago
patti tate is very graceful.
km5891 8 months ago in playlist sharon tate
Here's why those girls and the whole manson narrative are full of shit. Manson was not "a manipulator." He was someone who wanted to manipulate. But he sucked very bad at it. That's why 99.99% of society see a psychopath. They are the only ones who accepted what was being offered in that circle at the time. They were simply a group of misfits and psychopaths. They were not brainwashed by him. They were there because they wanted to be and got in over their heads.
AnotherCompartment 9 months ago
DYKES
awamoriwhiskey 10 months ago
susan is a supreme sociopath!!!
kfag101 11 months ago
sure you did susan! you were so excited before you left the ranch on the way to bev hills. In fact, you even said " we are going to kill some motherfucking pigs" thank God this demon is dead
kfag101 11 months ago
The tub of shit with the cowboy hat on reminds me of nothing but a great big bullshitter !!!!
Sylvania49 1 year ago
You know, here's the thing, you can't beat hate with hate. You have to learn to forgive. Susan did a terrible, terrible thing. But obviously, these women were NOT in their right mind.
You can not beat hatred with hatred, hate caused the crime, hate caused the loss, hate only hurts more people. It takes a better person to forgive and love.
MelodiesStrawberrii 1 year ago
@MelodiesStrawberrii You just gave us the cure. Jesus said, Love your enemies. Bless them that curse you. Pray for them who oppress you. I believe Susan A is with Christ today, and I believe her testimony. Everyone thinks they know her heart. Nobody does, in fact I am 65 and don't even fully know my own heart.
skaha77 9 months ago
susan atkin's lawyer is equally stupid and idiotic and self-righteous. jeez.
soaringhopes 1 year ago
Atkins died a tumor riddled fat bitch !! She should have stayed in jail and died in jail. Sorry CA tax payers paid for her prison and hospital fees.
muttamerican 1 year ago
it really is disgusting how some people support manson & those monsters affter what they did
MrMjbf 1 year ago 3
you are so right jutland
SUNMAYDEN518 1 year ago
Very childish stupid excuse for a lawyer.
HelterSkelterForum 1 year ago
@HelterSkelterForum Very correct! I hope the bitch is a victim of a violent crime. It would serve her right. Fucking whore.
Angele101006 1 year ago
I love how Patti keeps it about all the victims. When she says all their names it makes my heart melt. :-(
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"I'm not locked in $ bills, man, I'm free!"...
"intelligent", worthless , lying and cheating and murderous Susan Atkins, a dumb bitch, knew, what Manson was thinking but would have never done.
Because he is in harmony with laws of nature.
She never was.
endorphin2468 2 years ago
sadie didnt sing at her parole hearing did she fuck her dead meat
kelabz111 2 years ago
that defense lawyer is EXTREMELY immature and unprofessional.
Funky1120 2 years ago 5
Patti Tate, God bless her, the only person to speak up on Gibby Folger's behalf at the parole hearings.
bombbasticluva 2 years ago 14
@bombbasticluva Patti is, in my opinion, is every bit as pretty as her sister. She and her parents deserve a special place in God's kingdom.
fatcatsathat 1 month ago
45 and no shame. What a loser. This gives you an idea of the late Atkins instability. Manson
should have been a red flag with anybody with half a brain. This 45 clown came after her big "transformation" and she was "Saved" LOL
pbrucpaul 2 years ago 2
what a fereaking loser 45 times married? loser!
lilblackduck 2 years ago 4
@lilblackduck he was being sarcastic.
Funky1120 2 years ago
he has the Three Wolf Moon t shirt on!
BrickLaneBetty 2 years ago
45! I love this guy
jepa33 2 years ago 3
At least Atkins died in prison.
DiverforPort 2 years ago 7
I don't have anything against Jews. They faced persecution since the days that they were forced to be slaves and build the pyramids.
MegaLoverules 2 years ago
You don't mean that.
MegaLoverules 2 years ago
The baby was innocent.
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Menschenscheu 2 years ago
I seen an interview where Atkins said "Look bitch, I don't care about you, I don't care about your baby, and I kept stabbing her and stabbing her." word for word.
sabbathmusic 2 years ago 3
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Menschenscheu 2 years ago
susan should have been deprived of her human rights and locked in a prison cell outright without a trial, the cell key thrown away at an inaccessible place..Well 1 of the motives she stabbed innocent tate mite be envy: tate was gorgeous like an angel and susan was ugly as the devil, did u notice a thin mustache surrounding her upper lip? hah the bitchs burning in hell by now
rojeryeswithaj 2 years ago 2
He was stabbed with Susan's tampon.
suchaloveleeplace 2 years ago
She should have to get 56 plus 8 more for the baby
gojobuddy 2 years ago
cjtj8: "You don't see Atkins as being so very different than yourself." Don't say I'm hate filled, you are. You just compared yourself to a goulish murderer. We are not all capable of doing the absolute horror that the Manson family did. You must approve of killing little babies too. Sharon's baby lived for 20 minutes after his mother died. If you don't know, a baby has a heart beat a long time before they're born. I just stated the facts and made no angry hateful remarks. You did !
1916jutland 2 years ago 5
None of the Manson killers deserve sympathy and as far as there being no so called evidence that Susan killed anyone according to cjtj8, Susan admitted to stabbing the Polish house guess repeatedly.
MegaLoverules 2 years ago 6
If anyone deserves hate filled words it's Manson and his half brained followers. You should be more worried about why you think anyone is capable of doing what haggard Susan did. Only sociopaths do what she did. The rest of us wouldn't harm complete strangers. Susan is a fake and only cares about her ugly self. Worry about yourself cjt8.
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Menschenscheu 2 years ago
I see you're one of the men who found her attractive. Is it because she was a bad girl?
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Ok fair enough.
MegaLoverules 2 years ago
cjtj8 thinks I'm a sad person full of hate just for telling the truth about the case. I pointed out the toll these crimes took on the Tate family and how we taxpayers have to pay to keep them in prison. They were all sentenced to be gassed. Atkins killed Gary Hinman before therse crimes. You spoke badly about the Tates and their "hate campaign." Have you ever seen the murder photos? THE HORROR ! You would feel very differently if a member of your family was butchered like that. You're sad
1916jutland 2 years ago 5
You have to remember that all of them recieved the death sentence which was then changed to life with parole a year later by the dumb ass California Supreme Court. They would have been gassed in the 80's or maybe early 90's. Most of them have BS degrees which you paid for. Your taxpayer money kept these monsters alive for 40 years. Look at the poor Tate family! Two dead daughers, a father, a mother and a little baby who lived for 20 minutes after his mother died (Sharon). RIP ALL
1916jutland 2 years ago 6
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I think you are a very sad, hate filled person. I also think you (and many of the others who have posted here) are potentially dangerous because to be consumed by so much hate is an excessive condition. What happens if someone upsets you ?
I also think that Patti Tate, Stephen Kay, and Debra Tate have lost far more than they could ever gain by their hate campaign against Susan Atkins.
There is a coldness and a hardness about them that I find frightening. Where will it go when she has gone ?
cjtj8 2 years ago
I don't have to take this kind of abuse from some Manson loving idiot like you. Nobody in my life has called me a sad, hate filled person. What happens if someone upsets me? I've had things a thousand times worse than that happen and I never tied up nor would ever think about hanging, stabbing, laughing at, mocking a helpless pregnant woman like Atkins did or calling the victim a BITCH. That's the last thing Sharon was called before they had their gory fun before they killed her. Rot in Hell
1916jutland 2 years ago 5
I don't get why anyone supports Susan Atkins. She admitted to being at Gary Hinman's home and watching him get his ear cut off and watching him be killed but did nothing. Susan is SLIME. I know you 1916 and you are someone filled with love and compassion. Manson lovers are Sick as hell.
MegaLoverules 2 years ago 6
1916jutland
Anyone who knows you is aware of what a happy and cmpassionate person you are. What bullshit that comes out of a person's mouth who is hiding behind their computer is Null and Void. Susan Atkins was diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder. Therefore Susan is a sociopath and those kinds of people lie a lot. When they open their mouth lies fly out. The Supreme Court were a bunch of stupid people.
MegaLoverules 2 years ago 5
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why am I a 'Manson loving idiot' just because I find your very angry, hate filled words (and those of your friends) worrying ?
I am in no way excusing what happened. It is inexcusable. I am not a Manson follower, I am simply making a point.
I do not see someone like Susan Atkins as being so very different from myself. I think that under the right circumstances we are all capable of doing bad things though it can be very hard to understand how people get to that point.
cjtj8 2 years ago
cjtj8,
You couldn't be more wrong than to say that 1916jutland is a very sad hate filled person. 1916 is quite the opposite. I think since you're an Atkins supporter you should let her come live in your home.
MegaLoverules 2 years ago 4
Atkins was chosen by Manson to kill because she had it in her. Rehabilitation is good, BUT her crime was heinous. She even took Tate's blood & wrote PIG on the front door. She had the chance to testify against the murderers, but she turned it down. She stays in prison til SHE dies having lived longer by 35 more yrs than Tate got. Tate's dead child would be 40 now! He never got to live at all!
spunkychk2 2 years ago 5
Spunky,
you're right Atkins had it in her to kill and she did.
MegaLoverules 2 years ago 6
Not trying to be rude, but I'd like to know how Debra Fraiser became a lawyer. She sounds like a moron.
Lattanzifan719 2 years ago
at least they all "take turns" talking... very unlike later maury episodes
abaseraserhead 2 years ago 2
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Yeah, I think she's vastly different than another person that maybe stabbed one person & and the differences are made crystal clear in graphic detail in each and every parole denial decision. It doesn't matter if she delivered the fatal blows or not, she's as guilty. She's lucky to have a sentence that allows her to apply for parole, but the Parole Board doesn't have to release her if the violence and severity of human suffering of the crimes outweigh other "conditions."
sapphiresandemeralds 2 years ago
Of course this is such a horrible thing. I can't help it though that Ms. Frasier is just so sexy/attractive.
spocken22 2 years ago
Patti Tate passed away a few years ago and is buried with her mother, Sharon, and Sharon's son Paul (the unborn baby) . Patti was a lovely woman and very reminiscent of her sister Sharon.
SuperEric39 2 years ago 4
Patti is so cute...:)
lwfstars 2 years ago
No matter how heinous a crime a criminal commits, he is subject to the rule of law. If the law says the criminal can be released when XYZ conditions are met, then when XYZ conditions are met you HAVE to release them. So stop with these emotional arguments as to why not to release the Manson women. Legally, you have no choice. Do it or abandon all pretexts that we live in a just society - its inconceivable that some people should be judged on a double standard for virtually identical crimes
gokiburi666 2 years ago
Either you ARE INSANE! Or Susan Atkins is your wife. She needs to think about what she did for another 40 years in prison or until she dies
jaws1973able 2 years ago 2
Neither is true. People spend an average of 7 years in prison for murder, and Susan has spent nearly twice as long for every victim. She committed murder at the behest of a charismatic cult leader who she hasn't been in contact with in decades. By every legal and ethical standard she should be free right now.
gokiburi666 2 years ago
By every legal and ethical standard, she should be dead right now.
sapphiresandemeralds 2 years ago
So go ahead and have every murderer executed. She's no worse than any other. Change the law so that murderers are never paroled.
There's a clear double standard at work here whereby the vast majority of murderers are paroled but certain political cases are routinely denied parole despite not being a risk to society.
gokiburi666 2 years ago
This is where you are wrong gokiburi. The State of California does NOT have to release the manson women when xyz conditions are met. You clearly don't realize that the parole board is completely within the laws of the state of california to DENY their parole on the nature of the crimes. They carefully outline the criteria for their denials every time. There "multiple victims", the overkill, the "inexplicable motive" , the "callous disregard for human suffering."
sapphiresandemeralds 2 years ago
The manson criminals are "subject to the rule of the law" & the "rule of the law" is that the crimes may be considered by the parole board. But you tell 'em! Have you not heard the women complain that the reasons they are denied are the very things they cannot change? They did the crimes, now they have to do the time. Look up the precedents in california before you spew ignorance. They don't HAVE to release them, and they aren't going to release them. It's the crimes, stupid.
sapphiresandemeralds 2 years ago
First of all, numerous people have stabbed one person to death and been paroled. LVH stabbed one person to death *maybe* (this is a disputed fact) - is she any different from any other person on this planet who stabbed someone to death? Why do they get parole and not her? As for the other two, SA and PK both stabbed three people each - 40 years ago. That's 10+ years per victim and a spotless prison record since
gokiburi666 2 years ago
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Actually, all the evidence suggests that Susan Atkins didn't KILL anyone. The knife she took to the Tate residence was found at the scene (she said she dropped it) and tested by forensics and had no trace of Sharon Tate's blood on it. This didn't come out at the trial because the Defence never presented it's case. Yes she was deeply involved, and she admits as much, but did she actually kill anyone ? I think not.
cjtj8 2 years ago
Anything that comes out of Atkins' mouth is bullshit.
MegaLoverules 2 years ago 6
@MegaLoverules - Indeed.
TreblePop 1 year ago
admittedly there aren't any cases I can find of a mass murderer being paroled in the US - but that has something to do with the small number of mass murderers who have actually been arrested, more than it has to do with some unwritten rule that mass murder = no chance of parole. The very fact that PK and SA are serving life WITH the possibility of parole entitles them to that parole if all conditions are met. Those conditions have been met. No other mass murderer was ever so placed
gokiburi666 2 years ago
Patti is the calm, reasonable voice on this whole stupid show. Patti has the same lovely gentleness that Sharon had. I am going to say a prayer for her and the other victims families on this--the 40th anniversary of the Manson murders.
Trixiekitsch2008 2 years ago
This was the only time ive seen Maury do a show about anything real or important!!He is almost as bad as Jerry Springer
chrisryan8478 2 years ago 4
susan says she did not kill sharon, that tex actually did it, does he admit to it?
ma121887 2 years ago
i don't care if susan is reformed. if you hit a car by accident, you still have to pay for the damage and take responsibility. susan atkins PURPOSELY killed sharon tate! she has to pay the price, especially since she was sentenced to death at first! she got off easy by not being put in the gas chamber like she was supposed to be! she got life in prison, she needs to die in prison in the hospital ward. sharon tate didn't get to die peacefully in her bed, why should susan??
rileyronco 2 years ago 16
And even if your wrong, can we really take the chance on letting these people go!? She's not sombody id like living in my street...
evilmickey 2 years ago 3
Couldn't agree more!
jaws1973able 2 years ago
ImmortalUniverse 1 year ago
@rileyronco great first quote
GRARRZERS 1 year ago
@rileyronco They were all on drugs, it's not like any of them knew what they were doing. Besides, living in prison is more torturing than dieing.
Caffeinex2Jolt 7 months ago
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FREE CHARLIE and stop making killers into poor little victims !!!
Andromeda1741 3 years ago
Let him live with you then
laura11654 2 years ago 2
I would let him live with me
Andromeda1741 2 years ago
i would do the dirtiest things to susan atkins' lawyer...
Damnman123 3 years ago
debra fraser just needs to stop talking...
candicekelley831 3 years ago 3
She needs to stop practicing law.
SwampDog1957 3 years ago
every time i see this media whore debra frazier ive been tryin to figure out who she reminds me of, finally i got it, she reminds me of Traci Lords.
ElmoLewiss 3 years ago
What an horrendous circus to have to live with every day because some freak killed your sister. I really feel for Tate. My heart goes out to her.
djbethell 3 years ago 4
Susan is Psycotic as is Tex. I think Leslie & Patricia are probably sane now
jvarela965 3 years ago 4
If you look in websters dictionary under the initials D.F.C. (dumb fucking cunt),you will see a picture of that Attorney!
70monticarlo 3 years ago 2
This is the first talk show I have seen where I don't feel like I am wasting my time watching it. Very informative.
swisscitroen 3 years ago
that fat guy is great. this is earth-shattering-- that he claims he was stabbed (assumedly he meant by susan!) her meekness is all an act?!? by the way, maury is an awful facilitator.
jas22 3 years ago
Susan Atkins.... u bitch may u get the death chair. and that counts for the other pics as well
sneyder69 3 years ago 4
if i was the sister i would have flew at that lawyer bitch ages ago sayin that though i wouldnt be on this joke of a programme makin a loved ones murder into a fuckin farce
stusr1988 3 years ago 3
It is NOT about rehabilitation, IT'S ABOUT PUNISHMENT.
csdk44444 3 years ago 7
very well said, csdk44444!
jas22 3 years ago 2
Susan Atkins is trying to act.She's really bad at it.Everybody knows that except her.
seina21 3 years ago 8
this must be the MOST hilarious interview i have ever seen
lollipopper818 3 years ago 3
Why? Because Maury is an excellent man?
LickMyCuntMoFo 2 years ago
man i want to slap the shit out of the lady in the blue shirt
biggf 3 years ago 4
You mean the defense attorney?
I know how you feel but someone has to defend
Susan Atkins.
The defense attorney has to act like that but in reality she probably hates her.
Bandtrip50 3 years ago 3
interesting interview
petermccann2004 3 years ago
I agree with you alphabetsoup.I have read that you can live a much happier life when you are able to forgive.Right now, I don't know how to forgive those who have hurt me.And I also agree with you that the killers should stay in jail for the rest of their lives. They committed multiple murders for no reason other than to scare Terry Melcher and get Bobby Beausoleil out of jail.I don't think I could forgive someone who murdered someone in my family, but that's just me.
ProudKansan08 3 years ago 3
susan is an idiot!..heartless animal!
magus5555 3 years ago 12
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I can´t believe, that Patti Tate shows up to this talk show...what a shame.
The Tate women are just attention whores.
DeadAmy2 3 years ago
You try appearing on national television alongside a bunch of assholes justifying the brutal murder of your own sister and tell us how you like the attention. Moron.
xXPinkGoddessXx 3 years ago
Well she's speaking out for her sister and against those who killed her sister.
And you're just a stupid reject.
Have a nice day :)
JSS252008 3 years ago 3
Well, Susan is about to meet her maker. She has been diagnosed with terminal brain cancer.
clucka 3 years ago 3
They would be safer inside...I'm sure there are other nutters willing to pop them off as soon as one of them perchance may get out
midniteandshadow21 3 years ago 2
Susan and Deborah should be burned alive with the rest of those assholes..
darkfreak666 3 years ago 5
Give me a break people. Every defendant is entitled to a lawyer, regardless of what their crime is. This woman is just doing her job, her client is being sabotaged on a talk show that has not bothered to discuss the facts of this case. Before I am labeled some Manson lover, I think they all are sick, but there is no reason to go after Atkins' lawyer. She is just doing her job, so give her a break.
nattydread313 3 years ago
Atkins's lawyer is arguing that Susan should be rehabilitated because she has shown remorse. a) no one can determine accurately whether Susan is TRULY remorseful, and b) whether Susan is remorseful or not is irrelevant. Everyone feels sorry for the mistakes they've made, but everyone still understands they have a price to pay for them. Debra lives in a fantasy world where this is not the case and brutal murderers should walk free because they are "sorry".
xXPinkGoddessXx 3 years ago
No. She's just a fucking snob.
darkfreak666 3 years ago
I cannot believe what I am seeing. How can Debra sit there and so blaitently defend Susan Atkins? Surley the issue is not wheather she stabbed Sharron Tate herself, she was there, participating, holding the woman down - she killed her. If Susan has realised the extent of the crime she has commited and is now been rehabilitated then she shouldn't feel that she is worthy of parole. She shouldnt be able to allow herself to deserve a normal life or a life atall
crazysian 4 years ago 5
I agree that they should go and give them all the eletric chair or whatever death penalty
Diamondnay 3 years ago 2
I cannot believe what I am seeing. How can Debra sit there and so blaitently defend Susan Atkins? Surley the issue is not wheather she stabbed Sharron Tate herself, she was there, participating, holding the woman down - she killed her. If Susan has realised the extent of the crime she has commited and is now been rehabilitated then she shouldn't feel that she is worthy of parole. She shouldnt be able to allow herself to deserve a normal life or a life atall.
crazysian 4 years ago 2
Steven Kay is disgusting. He has used this tragedy to put himself in the public eye. why do they all feel poor susan can't feel remorse? She was just a girl, under manson's control, also full of crystal, in a state of unreality. Why don't they see she isn't the same?
fiona1933 4 years ago
I agree, but people are so controlled by rage. =\
socalucky08 3 years ago
you're an idiot
darkfreak666 3 years ago
Yeah, stabbing a pregnant woman to death is ok but wanting to be in the limelight is really disgusting...
ekirenrute 3 years ago 3
Susan should get the chair and die
darkfreak666 3 years ago 3
Do you believe that capital punishment is the way to solve things? What does it help? Proves mankinds hypocricy.
MurrayWeenr 3 years ago
You're disgusting.
darkfreak666 3 years ago
those commercials about perfect detergents sit so well on the background of a 6-bloody murder and mutilation of a pregnant woman...
luluintheskies 4 years ago 2
That prosecutor was right in the middle of making a point on how much of a phony Susan Atkins was, and Maury just cut him off! What a dipshit!
LoZoVersionThree 4 years ago 3
debra is making a fool of herself! nobody´s standing behind her!
Linle91 4 years ago 6
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They should show the clip where Patti Tate where she states that she believes that Susan is reabilitated.
l1a2b 4 years ago
Susan's ex is a bigger liar than Manson
l1a2b 4 years ago 3
The killers all deserve to fry, they are scum and they showed no mercy to their victims so they dont deserved to be showed any mercy. Any1 who defends them, or worse, commends them, seriously needs their heads tested.
mckill85 4 years ago
Is Maury wearing a wig, or does his hair naturally look that bad? What a cunt.
MrYib 4 years ago 2
Why is Susans ex-husband there hes stupid
nightowlinky 4 years ago 2
susan atkin is a fake bitch
jazzyfayy1983 4 years ago 3
probabley
smearbitterchocolate 4 years ago
I believe that it is possible to both forgive the killers and keep them in prison for the rest of their lives at the same time. They seem to have it good in their prespective corectional facilities anyway. Why change things?
AlphabetSoup03824 4 years ago
Why is the Manson family allowed the pleasure to rot in jail? Why didn't they get the fucking chair? They should have fried years and years ago...
seonfox 4 years ago 6
They were sentenced to be gassed, but the idiots in the California Supreme Court coverted all their sentences to life with parole. Murderers who have been executed since then didn't even come close to what these gouls did. I had the misfortune to see what they did and especially to poor Sharon Tate. I'm a fan but got diverted to a Manson site. Even veteran LA cops and detectives said they had never seen such a horrible crime. A Manson lover is on my back. Just for stating the facts!
1916jutland 2 years ago 5
Atkins is probably the most polished liar of the family, she has lied and lied and lied to cover those lies, she does not know what any truth is. In the end, before she wanted freedom or realized she would stay in jail forever, she admitted to stabbing Tate, she admitted to helping kill Gary Hinman, and Shorty Shea. She more than likely helped kill Sebring and Frykowski.
asdodge 4 years ago 2
Watching a story on the most infamous and brutal mass murders in history, and you are concerned with Maury's appearances and hair?
This ex-husband is a tool, he married Atkins for fame, and divorced her- he is of no value to this story or commentary- and shouldn't be there.
asdodge 4 years ago 2
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i love susie
greencorpse1234 5 years ago
Dumbass.
seonfox 4 years ago
susan atkins u are a sick fucking bitch,u deserve to DIE
talbot78 5 years ago 5
you desever to die you nasty stinking animale. she is a human being that did nothing to you bitch. god does not like murderers like you with all of your hate.
1 John 3:15 (NKJV) Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
tony48219 4 years ago
Susan atkins you can pretend all you want but you will always be guilty. may you rot in hell!
luv2216 5 years ago 5
i hope you rot in hell you faggat ass hate monger. you have no sould to wish death on a human being you unforgiving sub human animale.
tony48219 4 years ago
Who in the hell are you, you ignorant prick, you can't even spell properly, all you do is try and defend scum, you are a complete moron, and you are also a hypocrite ontop of that. You have a go at people who are saying susan atkins deserves to die, and saying its wrong to wish death on another human being, yet you are then wishing death on them.
mckill85 4 years ago
that woman defending atkins is a fucking moron
Mark1379 5 years ago 3
is god a moran he defends atkins and not only does he defend atkins but he defends all of us. God loves all of us, he so loved the world that he sent his only son to die for our sins so that we may all have eternal life.
tony48219 4 years ago
Maurys hair looks dumb
pekoe 5 years ago
maury is a fucking moron
Ryan6Ringlobsterbisk 5 years ago
whoa, anybody know anything about the manson part at 2:10. i've never seen that before? who was it made for? who taped it?
DMenase24 5 years ago