Stargate Pegasus : Divitae Trailer (Goa'uld Vs. Wraiths)

[zombiekiller8009]

the jaffa are trained and loyal, the fight as soldiers for the goa'uld, and the wraiths, more related to bugs but are mean cunts, the live to take over and feed, goa'uld on the other hand, like was said already, are made to conquer, the will to conquer is great and there weapons are set to be much more destructive then tat of the wraiths, beside, if a symbiote messed around with a wraith, it wud be very interesting, wat wud a wraith get out of a goa'uld or jaffa anyway, not much id say lol

[yano808721]

earth kicked jaffa ass wraith another matter there too many ????

[p0dz0r]

Don't know If this is relavent or not, but the outcome can be predicted quite easily depending on WHERE the fight takes place. The Goa'uld would get crushed in pegasus while the wraith would have no chance in the milkyway because of their constant need to feed. In the milkyway the have no idea where to find human worlds to cull.

I would also like to know which songs you used while making this

[RougeAce]

the wraith may have been the creation of the ancients, but the goauld are a species of parasites. their main mentality is being a parasite in all that can be consumed. they are not morally limited like the wraith who will always depend on one thing, feeding on humans. the goauld will consume everything in their path for power, humans and wraith. the goauld are the true manifestation of the ancients failure to control their power in the universe.

[RougeAce]

no disrespect to those who have been debating for some time.

in my opinion the goauld would win not because of simple strategy but the main mentality in the stargate series. the ancients were beaten because of overconfidence and moral limitations to the application of their knowledge (i.e the atero device) when they turned around and realized they are now fighting for survival, it was too late. the goauld are everything the ancients will never do.

[JohananRaatz]

Natural Goa'uld voice -no synthesizer: watch?v=p1gpNM3AbYE

[hyffuguyftg]

im liking the fact you used clips from the origional movie :)

[ProthSteriel]

Imagine wraith queen zatark ... awsome!

[RazaTheHacker]

goauld would desecrate the wraith

[hiimjenki2]

If the goa'uld were still in power and went into an all out war with the wraith they would win, they could summon a armada of ships, they would win by sheer numbers and a few flagships would do them some good.

[muodypl2]

Drones > all.

[muf321]

@lyman6:

FACT- the "mighty" bc 304 uss hammond failed to destroy three "puny" hataks despite having asgard lasers on sgu (just a thought but maybe the hataks shields did something).

Meanwhile daedulus with asgard lasers slices through unsheilded wraith ships like a knife through butter. If hatak shields cn protect them from the hammond tey can protect them from whatever weapons wraith ships use. Heck daedulus w/o lasers crippled a hive ship on no mans land

Therefore goa'uld win space battles

[bringabongalong1]

Its called SCIENCE FICTION for a reason

[masterchief454]

imagine wraith-kull warriors, no handheld weapon ( even carters kull disrupter) would kill them. Im totally with the goa uld, they have way better soldiers and ships, remember jaffas use 1 hit kill staff weapons, wraith and there puny stun weapons wont stand a chance on ground, especially if Tealc is leading the jaffas.

[muf321]

Put a goa'uld in a wraith. Put the wraith in kull armor. Give this "thing" a tough gun and you got yourself an unstoppable monster....

[muf321]

According to the atlantis team there are only 60 hive-ships, and according to the tok'ra there are 10000 ha'taks. If there are 600 cruisers, and 1cruiser=1hatak, then 1000hataks defeat 600 cruisers, leaving 9000 hataks to take on 60 hiveships. Thats 150 hataks per hive-ship. a hive-ship is tough, but it would lose that fight. Goa'uld would win.

[politicalair]

I don't see how anyone can think Wraith tech is better than Goa'uld in any way unless the only thing they remember is the Atlantis finale. Not only do ha'tak have shields, but you see them from orbit destroying planets with blasts hundreds of megatons visible from space. Jaffa are armored, wraith aren't. And for all the talk about Wraith "numbers" a dozen hives is a lot while there's hundreds of ha'tak with the System Lords. There's so many ha'tak even rebels like Lucian Alliance have some.

[Septimus3144]

dont forget if they have a anubis mother ship :P

[JohananRaatz]

Say what is that tune at 2:50-3:11? What song rather?

[jnadreth]

The way I see it is that the Wraith Tech level remains a constant as after 10,000 years their stuff is exactly the same....now where they suffer is power generation. If they had good reactors like the Goa'uld or the Asgard their ships would be far stronger due to the adaptability of organic tech. Honestly...how much better is Wraith tech now than it was in the Lantean war? Answer: Not a lot. The Wraiths strengh lies in sheer numbers...they can build ships in weeks..thats where they kick ass!!!

[xRAYKOx]

The wraith have the ablility to make you see things that aren't there. When the jaffa are confused the wraith can attack. The only thing the goa'uld have is there technology, but wraith surpass them in lvls of tech. Wraith rail gun are more effective then ha'taks. Not to mention it would take the goa'uld longer to kill the wraith then vis versa.

[muf321]

Wraith don't have railguns, neither do the goa'ulds, also a wraith is taken out of the fight with 1 zat-shot, and the zat is the weaker of the two main jaffa weapons, a staff will probably kill a wraith in on hit since wraith have no armor. a stunner can also take a jaffa out with one shot so it becomes a numbers battle and the jaffa will win. anyway the goa'uld would just take control of the wraith with symbiotes. wraith can win a battle but the war will go to the goa'uld

[xRAYKOx]

Look at how many shots it takes to kill a wraith. Even if they have no armor they can take a lot of damage. Also, remember what Tayla said to john "the wraith have the ability to make you see things that aren't there". So when the jaffa are confused and shooting randomly, the wraith will clean house. As for hataks, hive ships are far more powerful. Hive ships made the daedalus look like a push over till they got the beam weapons. Hatak shields are weaker then the daedalus and would be destroyed.

[muf321]

"look ho many shots it takes to kill a wraith" with a p-90 a lot, 1 zat shot takes a wraith out, a staff is at least has tough as ronon's gun wich kills a wraith in 1 hit, so the jaffa CAN take a wraith down in 1 shot and vice versa. Yes hive-ships are stronger than hataks put there are like 100 hataks for every hive ship, goa'uld would win in a fight. And the goa'uld's biggest advantage is they can control the wraith. Daedalus crippled a hive-ship in "no mans land" without beams.

[muf321]

Anyway, if the jaffa start to lose, kull warriors will come and simply overrun the wraith without taking a single loss.

[xRAYKOx]

Even with the kull warriors they still won't win. Jaffa are more ground troops than anything else. The darts will screw them over. Since all the wraith needs to do is beam the jaffa up. The wraith still has the advantage of illusion and more powerful ships. There's one thing you must understand, the gao'uld are extremely arrogant and that will be there undoing. Since they think there gods, they are blinded by their arrogance.

[muf321]

They know they are not gods (summit), they pretend to be gods to get followers, anyway one human with an m16 shot down a dart, while gliders are impervious to gunfire (except rockets). Gliders would pwn darts. Heck ground troops would shoot down darts, wraith ground troops have no answer to gliders or alkesh. If arith gets onboard hatak he could get taken out, but if kull warrior infiltrates hve, that hive is royally screwed.

[xRAYKOx]

In order for the gao'uld to use the symbiotes they have to get near the wraith which wont be easy. As for the hataks, they simplely won't do damage. look at the deadulus with it's rail guns. They hardly did damage to a ship that size. A hive ship is like a 100 times the sixe of a 304 and hataks are no exception. Hive ships could do a lot more damage. Daedalus couldn't take many hits before their shields went down and they have asguard tech. What hope does a hatak have?

[muf321]

Hve ships have a weakness, their hangar bays, so 20-30 hataks will destroy a hive easily. plus when a wraith tries to feed on a goa'uld the symbiote could jump into him. the goa'uld inflitrated the NID, the SGC, and sent an agent to another galaxy they could inflitrate the wraith.

btw i love this discussion we are having, though i don't think ither of us is going to change the others views.

[xRAYKOx]

True they both can bring the dead back to life, but the goa'uld need the boxes. The wraith simply needs to touch the body. Yea, the symbiote could jump out in take over a wraith but most jaffa symbiotes are infants. Look at SG-1 (children of the gods) ONeils friend was taken over and the symbiote had trouble fully taking control. Look at SG-1 (Thors hammer); the one chick said she was able to communicate with the symbiote. My point, wraiths have strong minds. The symbiote will have trouble.

[xRAYKOx]

The Goa'uld would have trouble infiltrating a hive ship since they use the ring transport system. Sure they can use an al'kash but that thing would get shot down long before it gets near a hive. The ring transport can only carry 6 ppl and there has to be rings on the ground or in a ship for it to work. Wraith can beam into building using the darts (the siege). Wraiths have the advantage in infiltration, they took out the midway and they infiltrated the SGC, and that was only with 4 wraiths.

[xRAYKOx]

But I do agree, It doesn't look like either of us will change the others view. We both bring up good points and I'm sure we can keep going all day and night. Both the wraith and the goa'uld have their own advantage over the other. I guess the only way we can determine who would will win is if they really fought each other.

[muf321]

You're right the only way to know who would win is if they actually fought each other, Anyway if the wraith and goa'ulds were smart they would make alliance cause goa'uld want stronger hosts and wraith will want sarcophagus so they could keep feedin off a small # of humans.

PS: i think a full grown goa'uld is mentally stronger than a wraith, ba'al was able to control Adria who is very mentally strong (she could blow ppl away with her mind)

[xRAYKOx]

Yea but remember, ba'al had adria in a special cage that prevented her from using her powers which in turn allowed ba'al to take over.

[muf321]

true, but the anti-prior device doesn't suppress adrias mind, ba'al was doing that. the anti-prior device just makes sure that the prior (or adria) can't blow ppl away with teir mind (they use the force)

[xRAYKOx]

Yea but to be fair we really don't know how ba'al took over. From what I'm guessing is he put adria in the anti-prior cage and used a zat to knock her out and then implanted a symbiote into her. If thats the case, then she couldn't reject it with her mind.

[muf321]

true, but the bottom line is hat a ga'uld can contorl someone as strong as adria. But like you said the wraith do have othr advantages like larger ships, so they can win a battle, but i still think that in a full blown war he goa'uld will win.

PS: even though im a huge SG fan, everyone should boycott SGU. the other 2 shows wee way better.

[xRAYKOx]

True, like I said there's no way to tell who would win unless they went at it. As for SGU, yea I agree the others are way better but lets be open minded. Let's give it a chance and see how it goes. Look at the first few episodes of SG-1. At first it wasn't that good (my opinion) but they picked it up and look how it turned out in the end. I'm sure they will pick up on SGU, esspecially with all the fans complaining about all the sex use and no major enemys to fight.

[muf321]

The way i see it, sg-1 started slow but there was a lot of potential (there is a real enemy+sg1 could go to some planet and someting interesting happens). what happens in sgu? don't see where they can go. I think mgm should take a break from stargate for like 2-3 years and then come out with something awesome, not make sgu.

[xRAYKOx]

The wraith can bring their dead back to live. So even if a staff blast kills them in 1 hit the can simple heal the wound and there back in action. The gliders will have trouble with the darts just on the simple fact that hive ships luches hundreds of darts at a time. The wraith number game with the darts will over power the gliders. Now we can go at this all day long but if a hive gets a ZPM, game over for the goa'uld.

[muf321]

Well, bringing back the dead is not a wraith exculsive advantage, the goa'uld got these cool boxes that they put dead ppl into and they come out alive. In space the goa'uld ow the numbers game there are abou 100 hives with 500 cruisers vs 10,000 hataks. thats 100 hataks vs1 hive+5 cruisers. wraith are screwed. 100 hataks carry more gliders than 1 hive carries darts, so gliders would win.

PS: i don't include zpm hive or anubis/apophis mothership because they were 1 of a kind ship.

[xRAYKOx]

The wraiths plasma guns or whatever you want to call them will destroy a hatak before major damage can even be attempted. The only reason the daedalus crippled a hive was mass fire on the dart bay and they got lucky with the explosions. The gao'uld are not that tactical. They will fire at will in hope their enemy dies. The wraith beat the ancients due to numbers and the Atlantis team said there were ATLEAST 60 other hives in the galaxy. Plus the wraith have the biggest advantage, Revival.

[muf321]

yayta, yayta, hataks have shields, the wraith do not have ori guns so the hataks will infict damage on the hive hips, the goa'uld numbers game will take down the hives. Yup there are at least 60 hives in the galaxy, with a possible maximum of 100, there are over 10,000 hataks. hataks would swarm hives. Goa'uld have biggest advantage=put symbiote in wraith, control it. True most goa'uld are dumb, but so are most wraith, only todd, apophis, ba'al and anubis are resourceful.

[lyman6]

Where are you getting this 10k HaTak number? Because it's bogus. Anubis' fleet was pretty much the pinnacle of Goauld fleet size, and all he had was his Mothership and 30 HaTaks. Let me point a few things out-

FACT-The Daedalus can easily kill a Hatak.

FACT-The Daedalus, WITH Asgard Tech, can kill a hive, with effort.

FACT-There are, counting the losses the Wraith take throughout SGA, perhaps 30 hives in Pegasus.

Supposition-1 Wraith Cruiser=1 Hatak.

Analasys-The Goauld don't stand a chance.

[lyman6]

To expound on that-

The only ship the Goauld ever had that could rival a Wraith Hive was Anubis' Mothership. In a battle for control of a galaxy, ground forces really won't matter much. If you can destroy your enemy in space, you can orbitally bombard his ground forces into glass. Goauld Tech is NOT that much better than Wraith. YES they have shields. Those shields will dissolve after just a few hits from a Hive, and A hives blasts are strong enough to 2-hit a shieldless Hatak.

[lyman6]

I'm assuming that this invasion would take place after then end of both series, so you have to take total losses on both sides into account as well. Plus, the Goauld never did work well together, too much infighting. On top of THAT, in the episode "Critical Mass" The Goauld STATE that they feel the Wraith are the single greatest threat to the Milky Way at large, and, if I recall correctly, they do NOT feel they could defeat them.

[lyman6]

Yes, I would say that, IF ALL the Goa'uld worked together, AT THE HEIGHT OF THEIR POWER, and attacked, in concert, WHILE THE WRAITH SLEPT, they could have won. Anything less than that is an invitation to destruction on a mass scale.

As for a Goa'uld infiltrating the Wraith-Semi-Hive mind, remember? The Wraith would notice.

And now, 4 posts later, I'll end my rant. But my money is FIRMLY on the Wraith. I honestly think a Hive could give Anubis' Mothership, with superweapon, a run for it's money.

[Helge129]

Anubis' fleet that attacked Earth was small in comparision to the entire Goa'Uld fleet actually.

[muf321]

watch?v=wgELNVD40fA&feature=re­lated

BC-304 cannot easily beat hatak, but they sue can take out unsheilded wraith ships.

[piggykiller77]

i dont see how thats even possibile...

[KoD997]

So you have a very poor imagination. :(

[piggykiller77]

wraith would win, the goa'uld would loose bad.

[KoD997]

Goa'uld can take control of the Wraith and to obtain all their knowledge.

What if Goa'uld took over control of the queen?

[Inkvisitio]

@KoD997 I know this is a late reply, but if a goa'uld managet to take control of a wraith it would be game over for them. The wraith I mean.

[drag0nelf]

Wraith would own Goa'uld.

[libed91]

You really are all geeks.Get a life.

[slash12190]

Screw you, we will be happy, and knowledge is power, weakling

[xRAYKOx]

Theres just to much facts that say the wraith would crush the goa'uld. Kull can be beamed by the darts, the wraith have far more numbers plus the have tech that rivals the ancients, and the jaffa would provide the wraith with a massive food source. Another fact is the wraith can make you see things that arent there so when the jaffa are confused the wraith can come in and do what they please. One thing ill give the goa'uld is there hyperdrive, they dont have that side effect like the wraith.

[GCm4n]

The Only reason the wraith defeated the ANCIENTS was superior numbers as you said but their technology was way.. WAY inferior!

[xRAYKOx]

I wouldnt say that their technology was WAY inferior as you said. They both had the same hyperdrive design but since the wraith ships were made of living tissue(which is impressive) they had the side effect from the hyperdrive. They both didnt use shields for their ships. Im not saying that there level of technology was equal to or greater to the ancients all im saying is that it rivaled them.

[GCm4n]

Your right to build ships out of living tissue is impressive however that doesn't rival with the ancients as for their hyper drives.. if your referring to the wraith and ancient hyperdrive then they two very different systems as is explained in the episodes Aurora -where the wraith desperately tried to gain access to the ancients hyper drive- and First Contact - Where the cool evil asgard used Doctors Mckay and Jackson to activate Janis' subspace weapon which disrupts wraith hyperdrive by.....

[GCm4n]

First Contact - Where the cool evil asgard used Doctors Mckay and Jackson to activate Janis' subspace weapon which disrupts wraith hyper drive resulting in the destruction of any wraith ship that entered hyperspace. Ancient ships were unaffected because their hyper drives work differently it was just unfortunate that stargates had the tendency to malfunction and go boom when the device was activated.

[xRAYKOx]

Think of it this way both hyperdrives were interstaller but they used different frequency thats why janis was able to use tha altero divice to destroy wraith ships and not atlantian ships but had that side effect like you said. As for the episode aurora both ancient and wraith were trying to get their hyperdrive from interstaller to interglactic. So their hyperdrives were the same or had the same characteristics. Besides wraith ships have a high level tech if they used a ZPM to attack earth

[Septimus3144]

The wraiths main problem is power supply

[viewer8D]

i think ur info is a bit wrong about the number of Ha'Taks system lords posses, for only strongest system lords had many Ha'taks but still i bet not more then 20-40, for example Continium, there were around 60 or less Ha'taks and he was comanding around 5 system lords and their fleets+Ha'taks dont have any weps to speak of... well i mean compared to wraith

[viewer8D]

though it seems that ha'taks can do nth to wraith ships tbh, the goa'uld are far smarter and more cunning then wraith and could come up with a plan to win the fight, while wraith reminds me of an image of schools bully-if he cant do things with force he cant do them at all...

[fmcc0904]

The Goa'uld at the absolute peak of their power and influence could have easily defeated the Wraith. The Ancients were heavily outnumbered, due to the Wraith using ZPMs to power a cloning facility and increase their ranks to a point where even the superiority of Ancient technology made little difference. Goa'uld System Lords each operated a fleet of hundreds of ships plus one or two "capital" ships. 60-80 Hives against potentially thousands of Ha'tak? By Wraith logic, Goa'uld win.

[SilverSurfer90]

what's the name of this song?

[GCm4n]

AWESOME VIDEO!

may i ask what the music is?

[barmyguy900]

at 3:37, i think i spotted ships from babylon5.

anyhow a good vid!!

[stormtroopera52]

wraith cruisers

[barmyguy900]

they are ships from babylon5 at 3:37, their designation is the white star(number) or white star fleet

[xRAYKOx]

As much of as i love ba'al and anubis my money is on the wraith. Lets face it wraith hive ships can deal a crap load of damage to a 304 like the deadalus even with their asgard upgrades goa'uld ship wouldn't stand a chance. As for the jaffa and the kull warriors two words (wraith darts).

[fmcc0904]

Except that Kull Warrior armor is resistant to ALL energy-based weapons, the only exception being the weapon engineered by the Tok'ra/Tau'ri to undo the artificial "life force" that animates them. If Ronon's pistol / an M16A2 / a M240B can damage a Wraith Dart and cause it to go down, I'm pretty certain that being peppered by the rapid-fire wrist weapons a Kull Warrior carries would turn a squadron of Darts to Swiss Cheese. Even beaming the Kull up wouldn't work, as he likely wouldn't be stunned

[xRAYKOx]

Dude i dont know where your getting your information but your wrong ao alot of levels. First of all even tho the kull warriors wouldnt be affected by the warith stun weapons they would be affected by the beam ray of the darts. That beam is so different the going though a stargate it dematerialize you and the rematerialize on the other end. If you remember the episode when rodney had his body shared by that women you would know they used 1 of the crystals from the gate to get them back to normal

[xRAYKOx]

So if a kull warrior is able to go though a stargate there able to be hit by a darts beam. Now as for the gou'uld being at there peak ill have to say even with all the ha'taks they still wouldnt win. The only reason i say this is because even tho warith dont use shields there rail guns do made damage. Take the daedalus for example with all the asgard upgrades they still have a really hard time againts more then 1 wraith. Have we forgoten what happen with the ori...ha'tak = 1 shot KO

[thefourthstooge89]

In my opinion, the goa'uld would be victorious in this fight. The goa'uld would only need to capture one high ranking wraith and implant him with a symboite, even a strong wraith mind will yield (Ba'al did it with Adria). Plus, if things went badly for the gou'ald, they could always call in the Kull warriors.

[jnadreth]

Kull warriors are the best, even the mighty stormtrropers bow down to them-Only the very best Mandalorians stand in their way.

[thefourthstooge89]

Hello old friend. Nice to see you again!

[projectNL]

but on the other hand gou'uld can get jaffa at high rate to and ships so we should plea for an eppisode of wraith vs. jaffa

[FalconRS]

Irrelevant. Tealc was too old, and used Tretonin. In my fanfiction - child snake in Jaffa intoxicing Wraith (this is shocked for him), and kill both.

[projectNL]

dude wraith would totally kick snake ass (i like goa'uld to dont get me wrong) bacause of numbers and as said in the series wraith tech rivaled or came close to the ancients

[FalconRS]

In my fanfic story - Wraiths and Goaulds having better technology, Wraiths more vessels (Corvets and Wraiths organic giant miniplanet), Goaulds using more shields for armies.

Ancients werent big armies, and were scientist, not warriors...but Goaulds yes.

[projectNL]

i agree but wraith can produce those powerfull soldiers with REGENERATION (although jaffa have it to but wraith reg. is bttr and wraith have more resciliiance)

i think its a close one here

[FalconRS]

Wraiths dont used ZPM for makes many soldiers, and Goauld devastating more populations = Wraiths in more and more hungry.

In my fanfiction - Apophis used Jaffas and Mercenaries humans armies (from Tauri!)

[HellbirdIV]

When the Goa'uld were in their prime I doubt the Wraith would've stood a chance. Damn MGM for kicking the Goa'uld down to supporting characters D:

[jnadreth]

The Goa'uld would've kicked Wraith arse

[gayfuck525]

I THINK THAT THE GOA'ULD CAN NO LONGER BE COUNTED AS A THRTEAT TO ANY ONE. BUT THE FREE JAFFA NATION DOES. THE GOA'ULD HA'TAK VESSELES THAt the jaffa use have sheilds. the wrasith dont use sheilds which makes them significantly weaker but the aicnients used stronger sheilds than the jaffa and they where forced to flee or ascend because of sheer number of the wraith ships which means for goa'uld thech to be supperior the asgard and the tau'ri would have to join the battle otherwise the wraith win

[gayfuck525]

sadley......

[jnadreth]

As long as 1 Goa'uld reaches Pegasus the Wraith will be beaten-each Goa'uld possess's all of the Goa'uld knowledge which is really bad if they were in service of Anubis or Baal as they would have even better stuff!!!

[GeneralDroid]

yea! even though the Goa'uld got replaced by the Ori and stuff, the Goa'uld will always be public enemy number 1

if anubis, Apophis were still around, they can take on the Wraith

[Michaellapine]

Amen to that. Even with the Go'auld as they are now I doubt that the Wraith would beat them, all thing considered.

And mr author guy, can you post a link to your fanfic?

[FalconRS]

Sorry, it´s only in czech language. For now.

[Michaellapine]

Well than, hurry up and run it through the Asgard UT... lol.

[DaedalusBC304]

good video!

[Hiveship]

Great vid !!