but what happens to the parent company when the large distributorships are finally stopped?.....The yager distributorship makes up a full third of all amway sales.....not hyperbole....its fact....2 million distributors under dex and birdie alone.....this video is brilliant...and this practice is abominable...i was suckered years ago into it...I pray that others readingthis wont be sucked into one of the biggest perpetuated mass hypnotized lies still in use today
You don't even know what the Better Business Bureau is or does. Look at the "top comment" on this page, which addresses this, your favorite apologetic argument for Amway. It's patently absurd that you think looking up a corporation with the BBB is sufficiently "proper research" to evaluate it as a business opportunity.
Oh, I see--not good enough. You'd rather save your brainspace for a rigorous assimilation into the Amway cult. Fair enough, but if those messages on the CD's you eagerly devour twice weekly are so good for you, why is it you're no closer to turning a profit 1 year into the business than you were when you started? It sounds like the only thing those messages are good at doing is telling you not to be discouraged by your obvious and inevitable failure so you might buy more CD's.
Those messages on the CD's I eagerly devour twice weekly... do you know for sure I do just that? Unless you do spy on me but since you don't and I know the reality to be 100% different than what you state here, I'm sorry, but I have to 100% disagree with you!
You always seem to ignore the important stuff in deference to a trivial or semantic argument. But then, ignoring the important stuff is the only way someone can remain loyal to Amway despite a negative hourly wage.
This is not an argument.I am just trying to let you understand it is not amway problem.It is purely our problems.Be careful of the person you talk to or consult to.Think of it as a real biz.Believe me,there are more good people in this world than bad people.Think positive.Negative leads you no way!!If you want more ,i can share more with you of all positive things in life.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH AMWAY THE COMPANY AS FAR AS I AM CONCERN.THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE AND THERE ARE BAD PEOPLE.JUST MAKE SURE YOU MAKE A GOOD JUDGEMENT OF YOUR SPONSOR.IT DECIDES EVERYTHING.I PAY AMWAY FOR THE PRODUCTS AT A DISCOUNT,USE SOME,SELL SOME FOR SOME PROFIT.AND IF I QUALIFY I GET A BONUS CHECK.ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT??IF YOU WANT TO DO BUSINESS,YOU MUST ACT LIKE AND THINK LIKE A BUSINESSMAN.TO BUILD THIS KIND OF BUSINESS,ONE MUST BE SINCERE,HONEST,LOVING.
Ive done Amway, it is hard to sell these products, no one really wants them, or wants to bother with them. And then you have to sell them over and over again each month to the person. It did not work out too well for me. Dont get me wrong i love MLM, but this was tricky, i started with a different MLM company, where i make a sale once and get paid every month - selling services that require monthly payments like Internet, phones etc. Send me an email if you want more info rygaudette@gmail.com:)
For a real opportunity to earn GOOD money email me at: foster_236@hotmail.com and I will send you an Eligibility Form for you to fill out. If all is well then you can start working on my team ASAP!
Thanks for making the world more positive, and not distorting the truth, in any way shape or form. You all look so good on camera too. I am sure I'll be a lot more successful by watching this video. These kinds of videos really make people think. How did Amway ever get to be an 8.4 Billion dollar a year gross sales company in spite of being a cult. They must be really good scammers! I'll bet they got the best ones to scam their reputable parteners too! Completley huge ones Sears, Dell, Best Buy.
oh and K-Mart, Pet Co, Bass Pro, Hickory Farms, Omaha Steaks, Office Depot, Pac Sun Barnes & Noble, Dicks Sporting Goods, Ace Hardware, Bank of America, Shop.COM, Northern Tool &+Equipment.... Etc. Maybe someone should call those companies up and let them know that they've been scammed! Amways not legit! Sure they are #1 in sales on the internet in Health and beauty, with Artistry ranked #4 in the world by Euromonitor, and with Nutrilite's 75 year history, also a world leader. Their Crooked too!
I mean really, like their products are magic or somthing! I'm sure Sandra Bullock's beauty secret is not really Creme LX by Artistry! I know that she endorses this product but really! I'm sure it's just because she's rich and can afford plastic surgery. How else can you explain that even though she's 48 years old she looks like shes at least 15 years younger just like Artistry Creme LX claims?
@TennesseeSaint - Supplying product is hardly a "partnership"...and maybe you can tell me why none of the companies you mentioned make any mention of Amway on their respective websites.
MLM’s nearly always lead to certain loss for new recruits. The founders and a few are at the top of their pyramids of participants are enriched at the expense of a multitude of downline participants, approximately 99% of whom lose money. The sale of products is distributor-driven, not market driven. Most products are sold to new participants to get in on this “ground floor opportunity.” Very few products are sold outside the "business". One more reason MLM is a Pyramid Scheme.
Your experience might be different but reality is that I have no idea what you are talking about. I go to different meetings at different locations and they all follow the same system. They actually tell you where and how you make money. My suggestion is to keep looking and you will know what I'm talking about.
if it's a pyramid scheme why are they associated with hundreds of companies like sears best buy office depot, etc... or those companies' attorneys haven't seen what you have?
@chilenincito Because the Amway corporation has little to do with the large independent distributor groups or their training. Up front, Amways as a corporationi is quite respectable, it is when you get down to the large distributors that you run into the scams and cult like practices.
This has been one of the best edutainment features ever put together.
I've encountered many within the ranks of Amway, Quixtar, SmartNetworker, Excel and ACN. And it appears that, to me, they all exhibit the traits and behaviors depicted by the video. Why would someone ever want to go through a bucket of crabs TWICE- first their job, then their MLM business?
"If I am a Nuclear Physicist and the Guy who sponsored me into Amway 2 weeks after he got involved is a Car Wash Operative, should I accord him with unquestioning obedience, automatic deference, total respect for his business example and worshipful loyalty?"
lol this vidoe is very true i was in the business for bout 3-4 months and it was a waste of time and money i had more me time not bein in the business than when i was going to all the meetings and all that what a waste of time i know a lot of people who started there own business and are very successful and they didnt have to stay up all night listening to someone tallk all night
Whether this business is legal or not, is complicated issue. But one thing is for sure, that this business in totally and I repeat, totally UNETHICAL. Only bad ppl can make money out of this, who can pursue people to such an extent that they have to join
this video is abunch of horse shit! half of theese "facts" are not right. and WTF is a dream sheet? I have never used one of those and this staying away from your family is abunch of crap too! and if people dont want to join or quit I just say okay man have a good life. and I never put fear into people.
how about you offer your clients something they already have and cant live without and pay every month no matter what. get paid for that necessity. not everybody wants or cares about drinks, lotions, vitamins, energy bars.
DONT SELL THEM ANYTHING! Free Enrollment, No Deposit, No Credit Check, No Contract, No Hidden Fees, No Cancellation Fees, Same Billing & Service.
Dont think its possible? Amanation proves you wrong.
Puppets are put on stage....... u see them........ u worship them....... and pray one day u will be there......ha.........but first give me all youre money they say! Yes master you reply! Ha.......maybe one day you will be chosen to brain wash other people and then you will be rich! Weak minded people don't see this. Think......u weak minded people think........the books and takes are good! No question there..... tell them u will buy the books at amazon and see what they say!
how about you offer your clients something they already have and cant live without and pay every month no matter what. get paid for that necessity. not everybody wants or cares about drinks, lotions, vitamins, energy bars.
DONT SELL THEM ANYTHING! Free Enrollment, No Deposit, No Credit Check, No Contract, No Hidden Fees, No Cancellation Fees, Same Billing & Service.
Dont think its possible? Amanation proves you wrong.
Go sell the products and sky is the limit then. Build a huge customer base and you will make money. If you get into trying to figure out how to build legs and look for bonuses then you are setting yourself up for the fall because that is when people can take advantage of you.
Maybe you should learn to spell, or form complete sentences before you try to look "cool" on youtube. Yes, because it makes you so~ badass to post stupid shit on youtube! Wow! I envy you! Whoa! Don't let me get in your way, oh basement-dwelling wOw-playing nerd.
What is it with uneducated fools & amway, they seem to go hand in hand... What you wrote 0410mana is nothing short of unadulterated dribble, pathetic analogies at best & again using insults as a defense, you totally fail at being a smartass.
And CatrachoS0yY0, so NOW you're comparing Scamway with the invention of the wheel, lightbulb & the internet?!?! OMG!!... that would have to be the single most ridiculous statement yep from an ambot ..bwhahahahahaha!!!
Ask an Amway person for proof of their tremendous income. Then listen to the reasons why they won't show you any. You'd think that's what they'd show you first, if it were true.
Why would I show my financial information including real name and bank account details to someone whom I don't know 100%? How do I know that you won't use that information to rob or kill me? I can show you proof of my income excluding my real name and bank account number and institution. Question is, is that good enough for you?
The only reason i work 2 days a week at BMW is because i love it. I am easly making $4,000 a month with Amway. People who quite this business, didn't have a strong enough dream. I was about to quite a while back, but my dream was to strong. Now i can do what ever i want, because i have financial security.
See now you're a dumbass. You just read his paragraph long comment just to say something completely irrelevant to what he was saying. And the chances you tried to talk shit to him in the first place is probably because your jealous. Do you think somebody who's making an extra 4k a month besides his job is going give a fuck about some chickenshit comment about his grammer on youtube from some kid who probably never gets laid and lives in his mothers basement with no job? I think not mofucka.
I'm calling bullshit on this...its a cult through and through....tell me do you follow you're upline blindly? cuz they have the best interest in you right? so do you follow them blindly?
No, who the fuck told you that? Your upline lets you do your own shit and if you need something he's there but thats it. I show my plans and contacting and shit by myself. This video is hilarious as fuck if you are actually in amway because of its inaccuracy.
First swearing doesn't add to your professionalism that your trying to pass yourself off as. I mean you are an business owner, then act like it. Second even prominent psychologists have done objective research and said it was a cult. The CDs, meetings, rallies, etc. Its a huge breeding ground for ultra right wing religious nut jobs...its sad really
Pass myself off as? Im trying to pass myself off as myself. Im just being myself.. idk who you THINK i'm trying to pass myself off as. And I am acting like a business owner... sorry but I am not dictated by what YOUR PERCEPTION of a business owner should act like. Second of all I have studied psychology and the reason that your statements are incorrect is because the cds, meetings, etc... are optional first of all, and second of all they aren't from Amway. And its actually sad how you've failed.
If so wouldn't a "business owner" like yourself at least attempt to be a little professional. I mean if you want to be taken seriously that is. Obviously your not making that 4k a month like you claim you are, other wise why would you be so desperate to swear to make your point across, which is an obvious cop out due to lack of knowledge.
Actually almost all cults are optional for individual. But you would know that since you studied about it. And since your going to try to pass off as an amateur expert. Tell me about BITE form of brainwashing, since thats what many books and studies about the other side of Amway tool businesses.
No all cults are optional period not almost. Second of all you specifically mentioned educational material as what makes amway global a cult. This is wrong because amway global does not sell or market or have anything to do with educational material. I never said I was an expert at psychology I said I have studied it. Our thoughts and actions are products of our environments. There is no disputing that. Its like saying we are all brainwashed based on the fact we speak english.
Also, I would appreciate it if you could look at the BITE brainwashing model and specifically explain how this does not apply to every government in the world, most families, most social groups, jobs ect.. you imply everything is a cult by refering to the BITE form of "brainwashing". lol
Actually it doesn't brainwashing it defined as: 1 : a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas
2 : persuasion by propaganda or salesmanship
Governments have been responsible, so have families...but most meaning average doesn't apply .
Again it appears you did not ethically do research, but for your own benefit you might want to look it up
But, Please do continue thinking the way you do. I will not disturb you. It will do nothing to stop my success. If anything it has made you look like a fool and you are entitled to make yourself look like one. Good day.
Well, it looks like you have swallowed the "dream" hook, line & sinker - congratulations.
Personally, I think you present yourself as the quintessential Independent Business operator, i.e. young, defensive, ignorant & unable to formulate even the simplest of arguments without resorting to the excessive usage of expletives & childish presumptions.
I think it would be quite clear to anyone reading over your comments that it is indeed you, who looks the fool.
Ok then. You want to talk facts? Tell me some facts of why you belive that amway doesn't work. You say im ignorant? What is it that I am ignorant about? You say im defensive? Well.. I said id let you think how youd want. So please, if you want to insist that amway doesn't work you are wrong by default because there are thousands of examples that it does. That leaves us with ignorance... what am I igorant about? lets hear it
My mother went from not having shoes in a third world country and her dream was to own a car. She now lives in the U.S and owns a 2006 BMW 325I and three holmes in California as a full U.S. Citizen. I think your problem with dreams is that you are jealous of people that have something to look forward to in their lives. Dreams are no hook or line or sinker, they have made this world. If I am a fool for this, then so are people who have made the wheel, or lightbulb, or internet..... breakthroughs.
Actually I did. I came up with my own way to build this business really. Im the first to start private opens between me and my downlines so we can game plan in a more comfortable and personalized setting. And Amway is not a cult, BWW is. You have no idea what you are talking about and it shows. Amway is just a company providing a business model, and products. BWW is where the all the tapes, books, and CDs come from. Im not sucked into anything but success, this is just one of many ways i make $
highly doubtful judging your youtube page....not very professional and doubtful that you carry the qualities that many would follow. You have no idea of how Amway was founded do you? They were religious right wingers, Van Andel and Devos. So what system are you tied into then? BWW is only one of many, Yager is the same way, LTD, netwrok 21, however they all resemble a cult...and cults exist even if they are not religious. And if Amway was ethical why do they allow these cults to exist?
@julqw2 and still there continue to be new platinum and emeralds and diamonds every year. Alot of time people get into bad teams and they slip. But when you are in a good sensible team that understands that people don't have to be uptight wierdos or anything we are regular people. We aren't brainwashed. We don't lie to people. Just as there are good and bad franchises there are good and bad IBOs. Just like how you have fast food restaurants that have good deals while others rip you off.
@CatrachoS0yY0 sure, 10-15 diamods out 50000+ what a great deal! I agree about good/bad teams, it's everywhere like that, but I went to a rally to see the top dogs in the business, and they were complete clowns! And the whole meeting was nothing but a 5 hour brainwash, but it was called a learning session...sorry but Amway and its affiliates do stink.
@julqw2 Affiliates? so you don't shop at Best Buy, Office Max, Sony, Game stop, the list goes on and on. You do also realize that Facebook, Ebay, Amazon are starting a form of MLM now don't you. Negitive people such as yourself are the clowns.
@crfranchises1 Perhaps, I'm not the most positive person you've ever seen, but I'm honest and realistic; are those the qualities the brainwashed sheep like yourself despise? Yes, the truth is not always happy-go-lucky unfortunately.
BestBuy, as you mentioned above never asked me to sign a contract with them and bring more and more people to their store; I also do not need to become a member of the store to shop there, and attend their PAY-OUT-OF-POCKET store meetings (lasting 5+ hours without any food or beverages), the list goes on and on...No, I haven't heard of the Facebook MLM, but so far they pushed nothing on me.
@julqw2 He was stating that those stores are parters stores with Amway, dont you think that if Amway was such a dirty company, these huge stores wouldnt team up with them? im just sayin.....
Please review the facts before making such bold claims.
@lookedyloo When I sit down and explain the business system I like to mention that we have over 1000 partner stores, each of which has there team of layers check Amway out. Why not call the BBB, or FTC. Take a drive down to Orlando and watch their Basketball team play, call Sandra Bullock up and ask her what she thinks, or the thousands of dollars given to miss American pageant each year. Or just ask your broke neighbor, what ever lets them sleep at night. lol
@crfranchises1 Wow this sounds like a bunch of spoon feed crap. The BBB is nothing, its a private organization that has no teeth or oversight, its just a certification. The FTC busts up organizations like Amway every year, Amway is just protected by the political right in this country. Amway is just a giant ultra right wing religious cult.
@burson007 well since you are such a great financial advisor and can spot a good business when you see one, please to be telling all the nice people of youtube what do you recommend people do to get to the level in life you have achieved. You are obviously much smarter than everyone else one here I'm sure you have numerous success stories you could share.
@crfranchises1 Your argument that your using is a fallacy. its called invincible ignorance. Which occurs as a common argument for those that are Fundamentalist Religious nuts/Cult members. Where you ignore any outside criticism/experts. Go look up Amway in Forbes magazine's website for a financial annalist point of view. Why does one have to be "successful" in order to analyze, because thats not how philosophy and science work.
@crfranchises1 Your argument that your using is a fallicy. its called invincible ignorance. Which occurs as a common argument for those that are Fundamentalist Religious nuts/Cult members. Where you ignore any outside criticism/experts. Go look up Amway in Forbes magazine's website for a financial annalist point of view. Why does one have to be "successful" in order to analyze, because thats not how philosophy and science work.
@burson007 Think about what you just said for a minute. One doesn't have to be successful to analyze... Philosophy is the study of the weak and guttless. Why do critics bash movies? Because they don't have the balls to make their own. The same % of people make it to the nba or nfl that become Diamonds in Amway. With your logic people should just quit trying because most fail.
@crfranchises1 1. Yes on doesn't have to be successful in order to have an opinion. Same in politics, you don't have to be an expert to have an opinion on the matter just as long as you back up your statements. 2. "Philosophy is the study of the weak and guttless" Are you serious? if so that is a very uneducated thing to say. Philosophy is the basis of all ideas. Ethics, Laws, Logic, Math, Government, Politics etc. So are you saying then all of humanity is weak and gutless including you?
@burson007 So are you saying then all of humanity is weak and gutless including you? Since 98% of Americans have zero in saving at the time they die, I guess I am saying that. I wonder what Warren Buffet thinks about MLM's oh thats right he bought one. I also wonder what the UFC thinks about Amway? might want to ask some of the fighters who are now using our products. But I don't blame you, You don't know, what you don't know.
@crfranchises1 I'd imagine UFC fighters love the large endorsement cheques they receive for using the products...think about it for a minute, it's called advertising. It's like when you guys go on about how Meg Ryan loves scamway makeup yet she gets millions to say she loves it, & still IBO's bleat about how she is doing it all of her own volition, or how a certain soccer star loves nutrilite & again millions in endorsement fees are gracing his palms...your endorsements are null & void.
@ntrospect so if any star uses a product then it is crap, Then that does away with pretty much everything on the market. A good product marketed with a star power spokesperson equals profits, I agree, but if the product is no good than both the company and star reputation takes a hit. What I am saying is Amway is a great company with great products, many of the groups marketing it are suspect.
@crfranchises1 haha thats rich, Noticed I quoted you and then said that philosophy is everywhere and that its a necessity and good, so no Humanity and myself are not weak because of it. Forbes magazine made note that the 99% of all Amway IBOs lose their money with the false cult promises that the few only get. UFC? All they care about is getting money for advertising, they advertised crap that are very unhealthy like those diet pills and killed people, so UFC doesn't care about Amway only $
@burson007 I am going to start out by apologize for my comment about philosophy. It was an uneducated response, and have since read and now understand what you where saying. My comment about our society being weak, I should clarify by saying 95% decide to take the easy way out and coast thru life. We all are creatures of habits good or bad that influences how we will be in 10 years. If not for the books my upline recommend, I would still have an incorrect idea of what philosophy was.
@crfranchises1 Have you considered not reading so much of what your business system tells you to read. In order to have a more clarified mind. How did a book that you're upline give you that brought about clarity?
@burson007 This week it was Go for No and the Slight Edge by, Jeff Olson. I learned Your Philosophy creates your attitude, actions, results which in turn creates your life. "Successful people do what unsuccessful people are not willing to do." I have started to study the 95% that will not have enough to fully retire and enjoy their life and I take the other path. Stepping out of my comfort zone. This business requires that I practice these habits daily, and I do.
@crfranchises1 You see your not channeling your "can do" attitude towards an entity with the capacity to achieve your "dream." The system is set up against you, the business practices are against you, the group is dogmatic religious right wingers that alienates others, which creates a cult mentality. I wish people success i'm not those people amway labels "loser, downer, non-believer" I believe you can achieve success...in much better means
@crfranchises1 Is your "Upline" a superior being to whom you automatically and unquestioningly defer? I only ask because being sponsored in Amway is a fairly random process, surely. A Car Wash operative could sponsor a Consultant Neurologist. Does this, by implication, suggest that the latter defer intellectually, philosophically and instinctively to the former regarding their business association? That's TOTALLY Fucked-Up, unless I am missing something?
@crfranchises1 Having said that, if everyone in a line of sponsorship is terrified, within the Amway Cult, of expressing doubts or questions either Upline or Downline, isn't that a FANTASTIC way of eliminating legitimate enquiry in order to maximise the lifespan of the group in order to move both Amway product (great for Amway Corp.) or system tools (Great for kingpin distributors who flog them)
@steveh777ify You bring up some good points, the way I handle my new propects is to get them started by selling some products and making them $ from the start. Until you listen to the CD's you really can"t grasp how they can keep you on track. Like any MLM you get rejected all the time, its tough business, but the CD's give us hope, even though the odds are against us. If I can make $250k a year from Amway, a $100 bucks a month isn't that much for CD's and books, to help me grow as a leader.
@crfranchises1 Thank You for your polite response to my rather opinionated and aggresive remarks. You are clearly a genuine and sincere person. I am speaking from solid experience, however, and have not only been there myself, but seen a close friend almost broken by his experience. I can only draw your attention to the earnings statistics. Most people will be following the system as you do. They still fail. Sincere Good Luck to you.
@xBloodxHoundx I don't know what your background is but mine is sports. In football we watch hours and hours of game film, to better understand our opponent. In Amway we are our biggest opponent, mostly our way of thinking. Until you have had a friend turn their nose up at you for "Doing That Thing", you can't really understand the emotional struggle that comes with the Amway business. Sometimes you just need to know you’re not alone.
@steveh777ify (cont.) I have fully outlined my views on the posting "Amway + Sweet little lies" This may clarify further. Trust Me. You can do better.
@crfranchises1 Your argument that your using is a fallacy. its called invincible ignorance. Which occurs as a common argument for those that are Fundamentalist Religious nuts/Cult members. Where you ignore any outside criticism/experts. Go look up Amway in Forbes magazine's website for a financial annalist point of view. Why does one have to be "successful" in order to analyze, because thats not how philosophy and science work.
@chilenincito No because that guy is not that way because of his employment. Whereas in Amway they preach this garbage and saying in order to be good at the business you need to be "this way" resulting in cult activities. And slowly become this right wing brainwashed individual in such a dogmatic fashion.
@lookedyloo Well it was seem you are correct. But at the same time those partner companies only have interest in making profit. So they see Quixtar simply as another market for their goods and services. In their eyes they only want/need Quixtar to be deemed a respectably company by legal standards. They dont care if IBOs are being mislead as long as the "partnership" is producing profit.
@julqw2 Think about this, Mark Zukerberg is the youngest billionaire, yet Facebook is free to join, how is it that he made all his money? Mark Zukerberg takes your personal information and sells it to large companies who then places adds on your facebook site that corresponds to your interest and hobbies. I learned the truth in one of our cult meetings.
My friend I am so happy to read what you wrote. I have been saying it to my downlines that don't expect me to ask you to buy CDs and attend functions. I actually forbid it. I am disappointed in the uplines who continue to push this stuff to their downlines. They show lack of integrity.
Amway is a company built on great products. Sell them and make money - here endeth the lesson - right?
Recruiting people just feels soooo wrong, most people look at you like the world's biggest dickhead. And the way your upline shoves the 100 family & friends call -*read: totally piss off & forever loose all respect for you*- list down your throat is pathetic. Some of the most insincere, superficial people I have ever met have just happened to be ambots.
well I'm sorry she couldn't get out while she could, did she waste it on all those tools? Glad im though with it, recruiting people into it no longer clicked with me
I love how so many idiots pay to go to these meetings hahaha, no other business makes owners pay to go to meetings, but hey only a short 2 to 5 years ROFL.......stay in college, do yourself a favor
Yeah, really...why pay to hear more of the same things they tell you in those motivational books/CDs, only in person and w/the added attraction of chanting slogans and sleep deprivation? LOL
Once, by a friend's ex-BF...the idea of having to recruit fam/friends didn't appeal to me, so I decided against joining, which was prolly the smartest move I ever made. :-)
hmmm i see, it didnt seem to fit me after a while, btw im only 20 years old,.....I was a little naive about the cults, but I quickly realized it was b.s. anyway I'm happy I'm not involved with their cults anymore =D.....I just think these diamonds/emeralds/platinums, etc should be ashamed of taking advantage of innocent people
saying the same thing over and over and over again..........hmmm. sounds like a robot. I wonder how much those top guys will make if nobody attended the next big function of the year.........ROFL
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how can it be a cult when those people are excited about their own future? an ibo is an independent business owner, they have no boss, and their efforts pay off 100% not true at a job, your effort at a job is payed off .000001% of what the company makes, and about the family and friends, those who do not understand how it works or what it can do for you, by the way, amway is only a vehical, you can take it anywhere, some would build it to fish and hunt all over the world, me i love to give
According to Dr. Robert Lifton, a leading experts in mind control, in order for a group to be a destructive cult it must meet certain criteria: Offering a unique form of salvation Lovebombing Cognitive dissonance Charismatic leadership Use of deception in recruiting Involuntary service or exploitation Separation from friends/family Suppression of critical thinking Discrediting of outside information Loss of independent judgment Fears about leaving sleep deprivation Sound familiar?
If you think you're truly "independent", try selling your product via eBay, Amazon, or some other site and see how quick you get shut down...oh, and you DO have a boss, what do you call your upline?
As for fam/friends, who knows you better: people you've been close to all your life, or some clown you just met in your local Barnes & Noble that only cares about expanding his downline?
That's quite a funny & somewhat ironic comment slbigred, I'll have to totally agree with you here, & in your own words yes, absolutely, you are ALL "braincleaned". Now lets break down what you wrote, brainWASHED.... brainCLEANED....WASHED=CLEANED when you wash something is it not clean? Thus you have conceded that you are indeed brainwashed.
LOL...for once an IBO actually speaks some truth ;)
Yeah, who would've thought? LOL...not to mention how he proved my point that, for all this talk about how Amway "makes you a better person", these IBOs are the most arrogant/condescending/judgmental people you'll ever meet.
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haha. i guess u gotta give up asking them to stop. People here are paid to condemn amway. Why? Simply Because this is where they spent their valuable time, where they can find satisfaction and feel proud of what they had comment... Don't u forget that this place is also a haven for them to enhance they "criticizing" skills.
Do you have any evidence people here are paid to criticize the company, like cancelled checks, etc? Well?? Yeah, that's what I thought...did you get your brain dried after it was washed? LOL
Oh, and the critics aren't the ones who get paid for this kinda stuff...have you forgotten the 04 "Quixtar Web Initiative", in which pro-Quixtar pages were created for the sole purpose of knocking critical sites further down in Google searches? What's the matter, can't stand for people to hear from both sides and decide for themselves??
ya blame everyone else, it's a pyramid scheme or should i say scam...she's pissed at her own family member cuz he wouldn't join under her....that's so sad... i hope she and everyone in the world becomes prosperous, but cutting off family isn't the way i want to do it.
please don't make me feel guilty jajajajaja are you crazy i am been supportive they eat at my house they are like my doughters,,,dont you see.. the money she saves by not buying food when they eat at my house she spend it on nutrilite to get more points convention tickets cd's books by the way now she thinks that she is better than me fixing my car jajajajajajajja
well my cousin now kind hate me because i dont follow her in amway when she starts to tell us that she is going to be millionaire in abot 3 to 5 years but after a year and a half of going to conventions now i aks her if she is becoming millionaire now she tells me well if i don't get the millions, i learn a lot of stuff is like going to the university now she visit us with her 3 girls to eat free almost every 2 to 3 times a week and she always say i don't have money but for scamway yes
Very good videos. The main reason for the business is recruit others through a hidden
pyramid schemes which sound like to me. I can not prove it is a pyramid scheme. What date line is saying that the products and service are not being met. Only the owner of Quixtar are making the money not the recruit making money. It is a out right scam ripping million of there hard earning money and losing their lefitimate jobs. This is sad to say. I hope the government will shut t hem down for good.
I like how people are still waiting thier time trying to convince amyway is a cult, here a little taste of reality: If people are in Amway that means they like it and are likley going to stay, so all of this "it's a cult" is not going to affect them. And all of the amway people trying to convice that it's not will not convince the other people it's not..so why not drop it?
It is a cult, it has the charcteristics of a cult, they praise on innocent people and brainwash them, brainwash them to the point where nothing they say is logical, im just glad i snapped out of it
but what happens to the parent company when the large distributorships are finally stopped?.....The yager distributorship makes up a full third of all amway sales.....not hyperbole....its fact....2 million distributors under dex and birdie alone.....this video is brilliant...and this practice is abominable...i was suckered years ago into it...I pray that others readingthis wont be sucked into one of the biggest perpetuated mass hypnotized lies still in use today
Phoenix38m 4 months ago
Unfortuneatly,my best friend and cousin fell for this bull and is in full blown swing of it. Sucks
KEVYSGIRL22 5 months ago
@KEVYSGIRL22
Before sounding ignorant, do proper research with Better Business Bureau and Direct Selling Association in USA.
Terratonific 4 months ago
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@Terratonific wasn't talking to you. And I could give a shit less of what you have to say.
KEVYSGIRL22 4 months ago
@Terratonific
You don't even know what the Better Business Bureau is or does. Look at the "top comment" on this page, which addresses this, your favorite apologetic argument for Amway. It's patently absurd that you think looking up a corporation with the BBB is sufficiently "proper research" to evaluate it as a business opportunity.
JohnWDB1 4 months ago
@JohnWDB1
I looked at the "top comments" on this page. Sorry, I will let them pass; not good enough for me.
Terratonific 4 months ago
@Terratonific
Oh, I see--not good enough. You'd rather save your brainspace for a rigorous assimilation into the Amway cult. Fair enough, but if those messages on the CD's you eagerly devour twice weekly are so good for you, why is it you're no closer to turning a profit 1 year into the business than you were when you started? It sounds like the only thing those messages are good at doing is telling you not to be discouraged by your obvious and inevitable failure so you might buy more CD's.
JohnWDB1 4 months ago
@JohnWDB1
Those messages on the CD's I eagerly devour twice weekly... do you know for sure I do just that? Unless you do spy on me but since you don't and I know the reality to be 100% different than what you state here, I'm sorry, but I have to 100% disagree with you!
Terratonific 4 months ago
You always seem to ignore the important stuff in deference to a trivial or semantic argument. But then, ignoring the important stuff is the only way someone can remain loyal to Amway despite a negative hourly wage.
JohnWDB1 4 months ago
@JohnWDB1
Ignorance is bliss :)
Terratonific 4 months ago
GDP OF USA IS 44,000.00.WARREN BUFFET'S INCOME IS MILLIONS,HOW MUCH IS YOURS?
ng1326 5 months ago
The average monthly Gross Income for “active” IBOs was $115 (U.S.)/$181 (Canada).
TandemTransit 5 months ago
This is not an argument.I am just trying to let you understand it is not amway problem.It is purely our problems.Be careful of the person you talk to or consult to.Think of it as a real biz.Believe me,there are more good people in this world than bad people.Think positive.Negative leads you no way!!If you want more ,i can share more with you of all positive things in life.
ng1326 6 months ago
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steveh777ify 5 months ago
@ng1326 Spoken like a nice docile drone.
perrrob 3 months ago
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH AMWAY THE COMPANY AS FAR AS I AM CONCERN.THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE AND THERE ARE BAD PEOPLE.JUST MAKE SURE YOU MAKE A GOOD JUDGEMENT OF YOUR SPONSOR.IT DECIDES EVERYTHING.I PAY AMWAY FOR THE PRODUCTS AT A DISCOUNT,USE SOME,SELL SOME FOR SOME PROFIT.AND IF I QUALIFY I GET A BONUS CHECK.ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT??IF YOU WANT TO DO BUSINESS,YOU MUST ACT LIKE AND THINK LIKE A BUSINESSMAN.TO BUILD THIS KIND OF BUSINESS,ONE MUST BE SINCERE,HONEST,LOVING.
ng1326 6 months ago
@ng1326 "TO BUILD THIS KIND OF BUSINESS,ONE MUST BE SINCERE,HONEST,LOVING."
You reckon??? Being insincere, dishonest & deceitful has a much closer association with "this kind of business".
BTW: CAPS don't improve your argument in any way....
ntrospect 6 months ago
a cult??? my traditional J.O.B cant even come near to the profits and financial freedom that amway gave us. and i'm loving
shaitme 7 months ago
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Ive done Amway, it is hard to sell these products, no one really wants them, or wants to bother with them. And then you have to sell them over and over again each month to the person. It did not work out too well for me. Dont get me wrong i love MLM, but this was tricky, i started with a different MLM company, where i make a sale once and get paid every month - selling services that require monthly payments like Internet, phones etc. Send me an email if you want more info rygaudette@gmail.com:)
TheACNRyan 8 months ago
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For a real opportunity to earn GOOD money email me at: foster_236@hotmail.com and I will send you an Eligibility Form for you to fill out. If all is well then you can start working on my team ASAP!
foster2367 8 months ago
Why is the verrrrrrrry beginning of the Smooth Criminal song in the beginning of this video? Lol.
lynnvryett 9 months ago
They are Masons and they are really good at having a bunch of sheeps following them. Wolves covered in sheeps skin
SuperLily84 10 months ago
@SuperLily84
I have thoroughly been enjoying wearing your sheep skin SuperLily84.
Terratonific 10 months ago
Thanks for making the world more positive, and not distorting the truth, in any way shape or form. You all look so good on camera too. I am sure I'll be a lot more successful by watching this video. These kinds of videos really make people think. How did Amway ever get to be an 8.4 Billion dollar a year gross sales company in spite of being a cult. They must be really good scammers! I'll bet they got the best ones to scam their reputable parteners too! Completley huge ones Sears, Dell, Best Buy.
TennesseeSaint 1 year ago
oh and K-Mart, Pet Co, Bass Pro, Hickory Farms, Omaha Steaks, Office Depot, Pac Sun Barnes & Noble, Dicks Sporting Goods, Ace Hardware, Bank of America, Shop.COM, Northern Tool &+Equipment.... Etc. Maybe someone should call those companies up and let them know that they've been scammed! Amways not legit! Sure they are #1 in sales on the internet in Health and beauty, with Artistry ranked #4 in the world by Euromonitor, and with Nutrilite's 75 year history, also a world leader. Their Crooked too!
TennesseeSaint 1 year ago
I mean really, like their products are magic or somthing! I'm sure Sandra Bullock's beauty secret is not really Creme LX by Artistry! I know that she endorses this product but really! I'm sure it's just because she's rich and can afford plastic surgery. How else can you explain that even though she's 48 years old she looks like shes at least 15 years younger just like Artistry Creme LX claims?
TennesseeSaint 1 year ago
@TennesseeSaint - Supplying product is hardly a "partnership"...and maybe you can tell me why none of the companies you mentioned make any mention of Amway on their respective websites.
WhatsAYak 1 year ago
MLM’s nearly always lead to certain loss for new recruits. The founders and a few are at the top of their pyramids of participants are enriched at the expense of a multitude of downline participants, approximately 99% of whom lose money. The sale of products is distributor-driven, not market driven. Most products are sold to new participants to get in on this “ground floor opportunity.” Very few products are sold outside the "business". One more reason MLM is a Pyramid Scheme.
MLMpyramidScam 1 year ago
@nameless212
Your experience might be different but reality is that I have no idea what you are talking about. I go to different meetings at different locations and they all follow the same system. They actually tell you where and how you make money. My suggestion is to keep looking and you will know what I'm talking about.
Terratonific 1 year ago
if it's a pyramid scheme why are they associated with hundreds of companies like sears best buy office depot, etc... or those companies' attorneys haven't seen what you have?
Please use facts to sustain you arguments.
chilenincito 1 year ago
@chilenincito Because the Amway corporation has little to do with the large independent distributor groups or their training. Up front, Amways as a corporationi is quite respectable, it is when you get down to the large distributors that you run into the scams and cult like practices.
billsurf101 1 year ago 4
Check the video "I still think it's apyramid scheme" it's an accurate description of this conversation
chilenincito 1 year ago
This has been one of the best edutainment features ever put together.
I've encountered many within the ranks of Amway, Quixtar, SmartNetworker, Excel and ACN. And it appears that, to me, they all exhibit the traits and behaviors depicted by the video. Why would someone ever want to go through a bucket of crabs TWICE- first their job, then their MLM business?
uniblab2006 1 year ago
Question for IBO's:
"If I am a Nuclear Physicist and the Guy who sponsored me into Amway 2 weeks after he got involved is a Car Wash Operative, should I accord him with unquestioning obedience, automatic deference, total respect for his business example and worshipful loyalty?"
....Just Curious.
steveh777ify 1 year ago
@steveh777ify.....Or should I just Get A Life ?
steveh777ify 1 year ago
@steveh777ify.....Or should I just Rethink My Life???
steveh777ify 1 year ago
Amway is a Corporate Cult built on long-standing deceit, lies, false hopes and human vulnerability.
In terms of Global deceit, it is the "Elephant in the Room" It makes Enron look like a market stall hustle.
Any Questions?
Amway Diamonds or high earners please respond....
steveh777ify 1 year ago
lol this vidoe is very true i was in the business for bout 3-4 months and it was a waste of time and money i had more me time not bein in the business than when i was going to all the meetings and all that what a waste of time i know a lot of people who started there own business and are very successful and they didnt have to stay up all night listening to someone tallk all night
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kdizzycat1 1 year ago
Whether this business is legal or not, is complicated issue. But one thing is for sure, that this business in totally and I repeat, totally UNETHICAL. Only bad ppl can make money out of this, who can pursue people to such an extent that they have to join
ram1nov 1 year ago
@nameless212
where's the money-making part? apparently you were sleeping throughout that part. you need to go out again, unless you are too lazy to stay awake.
Terratonific 1 year ago
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wwwAreYouToxicTv 1 year ago 8
douche bags.
nataliejanek 1 year ago 2
this video is abunch of horse shit! half of theese "facts" are not right. and WTF is a dream sheet? I have never used one of those and this staying away from your family is abunch of crap too! and if people dont want to join or quit I just say okay man have a good life. and I never put fear into people.
MTGBrandon 1 year ago
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Amway/Quixtar is bullshit.
how about you offer your clients something they already have and cant live without and pay every month no matter what. get paid for that necessity. not everybody wants or cares about drinks, lotions, vitamins, energy bars.
DONT SELL THEM ANYTHING! Free Enrollment, No Deposit, No Credit Check, No Contract, No Hidden Fees, No Cancellation Fees, Same Billing & Service.
Dont think its possible? Amanation proves you wrong.
amanation1 1 year ago
Why didn't you guys make this video before I enrolled quixtrash?
icannotgetany 1 year ago
Puppets are put on stage....... u see them........ u worship them....... and pray one day u will be there......ha.........but first give me all youre money they say! Yes master you reply! Ha.......maybe one day you will be chosen to brain wash other people and then you will be rich! Weak minded people don't see this. Think......u weak minded people think........the books and takes are good! No question there..... tell them u will buy the books at amazon and see what they say!
mesauh 1 year ago
Amway/Quixtar is bullshit.
how about you offer your clients something they already have and cant live without and pay every month no matter what. get paid for that necessity. not everybody wants or cares about drinks, lotions, vitamins, energy bars.
DONT SELL THEM ANYTHING! Free Enrollment, No Deposit, No Credit Check, No Contract, No Hidden Fees, No Cancellation Fees, Same Billing & Service.
Dont think its possible? Amanation proves you wrong.
amanation1 1 year ago
@amanation1 its not a free enrollment, there is a deposit and there are cancellation fees so yaaa no your facts be4 you bash,
TheNNAGEL71 1 year ago
@TheNNAGEL71 riiiiiiiiiight
amanation1 1 year ago
@0410mana Really?? So why upline never mentioned it to me??? Too shy?
julqw2 1 year ago
Amway is not a Cult, BWW is the cult.
Go sell the products and sky is the limit then. Build a huge customer base and you will make money. If you get into trying to figure out how to build legs and look for bonuses then you are setting yourself up for the fall because that is when people can take advantage of you.
McChirkeen 1 year ago
0414mana...
"Tough guy to huh?"
Maybe you should learn to spell, or form complete sentences before you try to look "cool" on youtube. Yes, because it makes you so~ badass to post stupid shit on youtube! Wow! I envy you! Whoa! Don't let me get in your way, oh basement-dwelling wOw-playing nerd.
ORUPRANKSTAZ 1 year ago
@0410mana
Shut up before you drive MORE people away from Christ.
Sheez.
ORUPRANKSTAZ 1 year ago
What is it with uneducated fools & amway, they seem to go hand in hand... What you wrote 0410mana is nothing short of unadulterated dribble, pathetic analogies at best & again using insults as a defense, you totally fail at being a smartass.
And CatrachoS0yY0, so NOW you're comparing Scamway with the invention of the wheel, lightbulb & the internet?!?! OMG!!... that would have to be the single most ridiculous statement yep from an ambot ..bwhahahahahaha!!!
Go diamond dude, go diamond...lol
ntrospect 1 year ago
Screw all the Ambots.
gtrdline 2 years ago
well reasons why it is a cult, or why people in this are being brainwashed....
1) left wing viewers on the political spectrum are forced to adhere to the right wing.....it is the free enterprise side aint it?
2) they make you adhere to their views on religion, false prophets and so on
3) not telling people what you sell or what you're company is
4) cut off from unsupportive people
5) threathen those who want to leave the cult
SO YES THE MOTIVATIONAL ORGINIZATIONS ARE INDEED CULTS!!!!
05Eagles1 2 years ago
Ask an Amway person for proof of their tremendous income. Then listen to the reasons why they won't show you any. You'd think that's what they'd show you first, if it were true.
wilberswilbers 2 years ago 3
@wilberswilbers
Why would I show my financial information including real name and bank account details to someone whom I don't know 100%? How do I know that you won't use that information to rob or kill me? I can show you proof of my income excluding my real name and bank account number and institution. Question is, is that good enough for you?
Terratonific 2 years ago
@Terratonific you are a liar. just like the rest of the cult followers.
gtrdline 2 years ago 6
@gtrdline
Oh really! Good for me then!
Terratonific 1 year ago
The only reason i work 2 days a week at BMW is because i love it. I am easly making $4,000 a month with Amway. People who quite this business, didn't have a strong enough dream. I was about to quite a while back, but my dream was to strong. Now i can do what ever i want, because i have financial security.
RJBism 2 years ago
You should use some of that enormous Amway income on grammar classes RJBism...
toftii88 2 years ago 5
See now you're a dumbass. You just read his paragraph long comment just to say something completely irrelevant to what he was saying. And the chances you tried to talk shit to him in the first place is probably because your jealous. Do you think somebody who's making an extra 4k a month besides his job is going give a fuck about some chickenshit comment about his grammer on youtube from some kid who probably never gets laid and lives in his mothers basement with no job? I think not mofucka.
-MCJ
CatrachoS0yY0 1 year ago
I'm calling bullshit on this...its a cult through and through....tell me do you follow you're upline blindly? cuz they have the best interest in you right? so do you follow them blindly?
burson007 2 years ago 7
No, who the fuck told you that? Your upline lets you do your own shit and if you need something he's there but thats it. I show my plans and contacting and shit by myself. This video is hilarious as fuck if you are actually in amway because of its inaccuracy.
CatrachoS0yY0 1 year ago
First swearing doesn't add to your professionalism that your trying to pass yourself off as. I mean you are an business owner, then act like it. Second even prominent psychologists have done objective research and said it was a cult. The CDs, meetings, rallies, etc. Its a huge breeding ground for ultra right wing religious nut jobs...its sad really
burson007 1 year ago 2
Pass myself off as? Im trying to pass myself off as myself. Im just being myself.. idk who you THINK i'm trying to pass myself off as. And I am acting like a business owner... sorry but I am not dictated by what YOUR PERCEPTION of a business owner should act like. Second of all I have studied psychology and the reason that your statements are incorrect is because the cds, meetings, etc... are optional first of all, and second of all they aren't from Amway. And its actually sad how you've failed.
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burson007 1 year ago
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"And I am acting like a business owner"
If so wouldn't a "business owner" like yourself at least attempt to be a little professional. I mean if you want to be taken seriously that is. Obviously your not making that 4k a month like you claim you are, other wise why would you be so desperate to swear to make your point across, which is an obvious cop out due to lack of knowledge.
burson007 1 year ago
Actually almost all cults are optional for individual. But you would know that since you studied about it. And since your going to try to pass off as an amateur expert. Tell me about BITE form of brainwashing, since thats what many books and studies about the other side of Amway tool businesses.
burson007 1 year ago
No all cults are optional period not almost. Second of all you specifically mentioned educational material as what makes amway global a cult. This is wrong because amway global does not sell or market or have anything to do with educational material. I never said I was an expert at psychology I said I have studied it. Our thoughts and actions are products of our environments. There is no disputing that. Its like saying we are all brainwashed based on the fact we speak english.
CatrachoS0yY0 1 year ago
Also, I would appreciate it if you could look at the BITE brainwashing model and specifically explain how this does not apply to every government in the world, most families, most social groups, jobs ect.. you imply everything is a cult by refering to the BITE form of "brainwashing". lol
CatrachoS0yY0 1 year ago
Actually it doesn't brainwashing it defined as: 1 : a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas
2 : persuasion by propaganda or salesmanship
Governments have been responsible, so have families...but most meaning average doesn't apply .
Again it appears you did not ethically do research, but for your own benefit you might want to look it up
burson007 1 year ago
But, Please do continue thinking the way you do. I will not disturb you. It will do nothing to stop my success. If anything it has made you look like a fool and you are entitled to make yourself look like one. Good day.
CatrachoS0yY0 1 year ago
Well, it looks like you have swallowed the "dream" hook, line & sinker - congratulations.
Personally, I think you present yourself as the quintessential Independent Business operator, i.e. young, defensive, ignorant & unable to formulate even the simplest of arguments without resorting to the excessive usage of expletives & childish presumptions.
I think it would be quite clear to anyone reading over your comments that it is indeed you, who looks the fool.
ntrospect 1 year ago
Ok then. You want to talk facts? Tell me some facts of why you belive that amway doesn't work. You say im ignorant? What is it that I am ignorant about? You say im defensive? Well.. I said id let you think how youd want. So please, if you want to insist that amway doesn't work you are wrong by default because there are thousands of examples that it does. That leaves us with ignorance... what am I igorant about? lets hear it
CatrachoS0yY0 1 year ago
My mother went from not having shoes in a third world country and her dream was to own a car. She now lives in the U.S and owns a 2006 BMW 325I and three holmes in California as a full U.S. Citizen. I think your problem with dreams is that you are jealous of people that have something to look forward to in their lives. Dreams are no hook or line or sinker, they have made this world. If I am a fool for this, then so are people who have made the wheel, or lightbulb, or internet..... breakthroughs.
CatrachoS0yY0 1 year ago
HAHA this is rich "so are people who have made the wheel, or lightbulb, or internet..... breakthroughs."
You didn't come out with anything innovative or new. your sucked into a pyramid cult...sorry "homie." So why the hell would i be jealous?
burson007 1 year ago
Actually I did. I came up with my own way to build this business really. Im the first to start private opens between me and my downlines so we can game plan in a more comfortable and personalized setting. And Amway is not a cult, BWW is. You have no idea what you are talking about and it shows. Amway is just a company providing a business model, and products. BWW is where the all the tapes, books, and CDs come from. Im not sucked into anything but success, this is just one of many ways i make $
CatrachoS0yY0 1 year ago
highly doubtful judging your youtube page....not very professional and doubtful that you carry the qualities that many would follow. You have no idea of how Amway was founded do you? They were religious right wingers, Van Andel and Devos. So what system are you tied into then? BWW is only one of many, Yager is the same way, LTD, netwrok 21, however they all resemble a cult...and cults exist even if they are not religious. And if Amway was ethical why do they allow these cults to exist?
burson007 1 year ago
They've been around 50 years. You tell me.
CatrachoS0yY0 1 year ago
some cults have been around far longer than that - Scientology, for instance
julqw2 1 year ago
or humanity... you need to realize wh
CatrachoS0yY0 1 year ago
yes, and con artists have been there all along (((
julqw2 1 year ago
@julqw2 and still there continue to be new platinum and emeralds and diamonds every year. Alot of time people get into bad teams and they slip. But when you are in a good sensible team that understands that people don't have to be uptight wierdos or anything we are regular people. We aren't brainwashed. We don't lie to people. Just as there are good and bad franchises there are good and bad IBOs. Just like how you have fast food restaurants that have good deals while others rip you off.
CatrachoS0yY0 1 year ago
@CatrachoS0yY0 sure, 10-15 diamods out 50000+ what a great deal! I agree about good/bad teams, it's everywhere like that, but I went to a rally to see the top dogs in the business, and they were complete clowns! And the whole meeting was nothing but a 5 hour brainwash, but it was called a learning session...sorry but Amway and its affiliates do stink.
julqw2 1 year ago
@julqw2 Affiliates? so you don't shop at Best Buy, Office Max, Sony, Game stop, the list goes on and on. You do also realize that Facebook, Ebay, Amazon are starting a form of MLM now don't you. Negitive people such as yourself are the clowns.
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 Perhaps, I'm not the most positive person you've ever seen, but I'm honest and realistic; are those the qualities the brainwashed sheep like yourself despise? Yes, the truth is not always happy-go-lucky unfortunately.
julqw2 1 year ago
BestBuy, as you mentioned above never asked me to sign a contract with them and bring more and more people to their store; I also do not need to become a member of the store to shop there, and attend their PAY-OUT-OF-POCKET store meetings (lasting 5+ hours without any food or beverages), the list goes on and on...No, I haven't heard of the Facebook MLM, but so far they pushed nothing on me.
julqw2 1 year ago
@julqw2 He was stating that those stores are parters stores with Amway, dont you think that if Amway was such a dirty company, these huge stores wouldnt team up with them? im just sayin.....
Please review the facts before making such bold claims.
lookedyloo 1 year ago
@lookedyloo When I sit down and explain the business system I like to mention that we have over 1000 partner stores, each of which has there team of layers check Amway out. Why not call the BBB, or FTC. Take a drive down to Orlando and watch their Basketball team play, call Sandra Bullock up and ask her what she thinks, or the thousands of dollars given to miss American pageant each year. Or just ask your broke neighbor, what ever lets them sleep at night. lol
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 Wow this sounds like a bunch of spoon feed crap. The BBB is nothing, its a private organization that has no teeth or oversight, its just a certification. The FTC busts up organizations like Amway every year, Amway is just protected by the political right in this country. Amway is just a giant ultra right wing religious cult.
burson007 1 year ago 15
@burson007 well since you are such a great financial advisor and can spot a good business when you see one, please to be telling all the nice people of youtube what do you recommend people do to get to the level in life you have achieved. You are obviously much smarter than everyone else one here I'm sure you have numerous success stories you could share.
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 Your argument that your using is a fallacy. its called invincible ignorance. Which occurs as a common argument for those that are Fundamentalist Religious nuts/Cult members. Where you ignore any outside criticism/experts. Go look up Amway in Forbes magazine's website for a financial annalist point of view. Why does one have to be "successful" in order to analyze, because thats not how philosophy and science work.
burson007 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 Your argument that your using is a fallicy. its called invincible ignorance. Which occurs as a common argument for those that are Fundamentalist Religious nuts/Cult members. Where you ignore any outside criticism/experts. Go look up Amway in Forbes magazine's website for a financial annalist point of view. Why does one have to be "successful" in order to analyze, because thats not how philosophy and science work.
burson007 1 year ago
@burson007 Think about what you just said for a minute. One doesn't have to be successful to analyze... Philosophy is the study of the weak and guttless. Why do critics bash movies? Because they don't have the balls to make their own. The same % of people make it to the nba or nfl that become Diamonds in Amway. With your logic people should just quit trying because most fail.
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 1. Yes on doesn't have to be successful in order to have an opinion. Same in politics, you don't have to be an expert to have an opinion on the matter just as long as you back up your statements. 2. "Philosophy is the study of the weak and guttless" Are you serious? if so that is a very uneducated thing to say. Philosophy is the basis of all ideas. Ethics, Laws, Logic, Math, Government, Politics etc. So are you saying then all of humanity is weak and gutless including you?
burson007 1 year ago
@burson007 So are you saying then all of humanity is weak and gutless including you? Since 98% of Americans have zero in saving at the time they die, I guess I am saying that. I wonder what Warren Buffet thinks about MLM's oh thats right he bought one. I also wonder what the UFC thinks about Amway? might want to ask some of the fighters who are now using our products. But I don't blame you, You don't know, what you don't know.
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 I'd imagine UFC fighters love the large endorsement cheques they receive for using the products...think about it for a minute, it's called advertising. It's like when you guys go on about how Meg Ryan loves scamway makeup yet she gets millions to say she loves it, & still IBO's bleat about how she is doing it all of her own volition, or how a certain soccer star loves nutrilite & again millions in endorsement fees are gracing his palms...your endorsements are null & void.
ntrospect 1 year ago
@ntrospect so if any star uses a product then it is crap, Then that does away with pretty much everything on the market. A good product marketed with a star power spokesperson equals profits, I agree, but if the product is no good than both the company and star reputation takes a hit. What I am saying is Amway is a great company with great products, many of the groups marketing it are suspect.
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 haha thats rich, Noticed I quoted you and then said that philosophy is everywhere and that its a necessity and good, so no Humanity and myself are not weak because of it. Forbes magazine made note that the 99% of all Amway IBOs lose their money with the false cult promises that the few only get. UFC? All they care about is getting money for advertising, they advertised crap that are very unhealthy like those diet pills and killed people, so UFC doesn't care about Amway only $
burson007 1 year ago
@burson007 I am going to start out by apologize for my comment about philosophy. It was an uneducated response, and have since read and now understand what you where saying. My comment about our society being weak, I should clarify by saying 95% decide to take the easy way out and coast thru life. We all are creatures of habits good or bad that influences how we will be in 10 years. If not for the books my upline recommend, I would still have an incorrect idea of what philosophy was.
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 Have you considered not reading so much of what your business system tells you to read. In order to have a more clarified mind. How did a book that you're upline give you that brought about clarity?
burson007 1 year ago
@burson007 This week it was Go for No and the Slight Edge by, Jeff Olson. I learned Your Philosophy creates your attitude, actions, results which in turn creates your life. "Successful people do what unsuccessful people are not willing to do." I have started to study the 95% that will not have enough to fully retire and enjoy their life and I take the other path. Stepping out of my comfort zone. This business requires that I practice these habits daily, and I do.
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 You see your not channeling your "can do" attitude towards an entity with the capacity to achieve your "dream." The system is set up against you, the business practices are against you, the group is dogmatic religious right wingers that alienates others, which creates a cult mentality. I wish people success i'm not those people amway labels "loser, downer, non-believer" I believe you can achieve success...in much better means
burson007 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 Is your "Upline" a superior being to whom you automatically and unquestioningly defer? I only ask because being sponsored in Amway is a fairly random process, surely. A Car Wash operative could sponsor a Consultant Neurologist. Does this, by implication, suggest that the latter defer intellectually, philosophically and instinctively to the former regarding their business association? That's TOTALLY Fucked-Up, unless I am missing something?
steveh777ify 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 Having said that, if everyone in a line of sponsorship is terrified, within the Amway Cult, of expressing doubts or questions either Upline or Downline, isn't that a FANTASTIC way of eliminating legitimate enquiry in order to maximise the lifespan of the group in order to move both Amway product (great for Amway Corp.) or system tools (Great for kingpin distributors who flog them)
Maybe I'm just being negative...?
steveh777ify 1 year ago
@steveh777ify You bring up some good points, the way I handle my new propects is to get them started by selling some products and making them $ from the start. Until you listen to the CD's you really can"t grasp how they can keep you on track. Like any MLM you get rejected all the time, its tough business, but the CD's give us hope, even though the odds are against us. If I can make $250k a year from Amway, a $100 bucks a month isn't that much for CD's and books, to help me grow as a leader.
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 Thank You for your polite response to my rather opinionated and aggresive remarks. You are clearly a genuine and sincere person. I am speaking from solid experience, however, and have not only been there myself, but seen a close friend almost broken by his experience. I can only draw your attention to the earnings statistics. Most people will be following the system as you do. They still fail. Sincere Good Luck to you.
steveh777ify 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 But you don't need the CDs yourself. They will just pile up. You can just motivate yourself. Or is that hard for you to do?
xBloodxHoundx 1 year ago
@xBloodxHoundx I don't know what your background is but mine is sports. In football we watch hours and hours of game film, to better understand our opponent. In Amway we are our biggest opponent, mostly our way of thinking. Until you have had a friend turn their nose up at you for "Doing That Thing", you can't really understand the emotional struggle that comes with the Amway business. Sometimes you just need to know you’re not alone.
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@xBloodxHoundx
i can't just motivate myself, i tried but i was weak, i need to associate with strong people or else i will perish together with the weak.
Terratonific 1 year ago
@steveh777ify (cont.) I have fully outlined my views on the posting "Amway + Sweet little lies" This may clarify further. Trust Me. You can do better.
steveh777ify 1 year ago
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@crfranchises1 Your argument that your using is a fallacy. its called invincible ignorance. Which occurs as a common argument for those that are Fundamentalist Religious nuts/Cult members. Where you ignore any outside criticism/experts. Go look up Amway in Forbes magazine's website for a financial annalist point of view. Why does one have to be "successful" in order to analyze, because thats not how philosophy and science work.
burson007 1 year ago
@burson007 what is exactly the evidence of your argument?
I have a coworker who is a right wing religious guy, will that make my place of employmnet a cult as well?
chilenincito 1 year ago
@chilenincito No because that guy is not that way because of his employment. Whereas in Amway they preach this garbage and saying in order to be good at the business you need to be "this way" resulting in cult activities. And slowly become this right wing brainwashed individual in such a dogmatic fashion.
burson007 1 year ago
@burson007
BUUUURSOOOOOONEE! BURSONE! Sounds so Italian! Dogmatic, only a la bursone! You were saying...?!
Terratonific 1 year ago
@Terratonific RRRRight? Well I'm not Italian and maybe you should reread my earlier post to see what i said before you make uneducated posts
burson007 1 year ago
@burson007
BUUUURSOOOOOONEE! BURSONE! Comedy is the act of innocence where education is fair play!
Terratonific 11 months ago
@burson007 You are correct.
For the inside track on the perception of Amway here in the UK, check this out:
Google: "Sunday Times + marketing group merely selling a Dream"
This is from the best regarded and most authorititve newpaper in the UK.
Surely only a certifiable Dickhead would discount this? (Sadly, there is no shortage of them)
steveh777ify 1 year ago
@lookedyloo Well it was seem you are correct. But at the same time those partner companies only have interest in making profit. So they see Quixtar simply as another market for their goods and services. In their eyes they only want/need Quixtar to be deemed a respectably company by legal standards. They dont care if IBOs are being mislead as long as the "partnership" is producing profit.
532jdub 1 year ago
@julqw2 Think about this, Mark Zukerberg is the youngest billionaire, yet Facebook is free to join, how is it that he made all his money? Mark Zukerberg takes your personal information and sells it to large companies who then places adds on your facebook site that corresponds to your interest and hobbies. I learned the truth in one of our cult meetings.
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 KUDOS! well played... I think you forgot to mention Sears and PacSun. I guess they are just teaming up with a cult right? lol
lookedyloo 1 year ago
@CatrachoS0yY0
My friend I am so happy to read what you wrote. I have been saying it to my downlines that don't expect me to ask you to buy CDs and attend functions. I actually forbid it. I am disappointed in the uplines who continue to push this stuff to their downlines. They show lack of integrity.
Amway is a company built on great products. Sell them and make money - here endeth the lesson - right?
McChirkeen 1 year ago
Yeah right. BLAH BLAH BLAH...nice line drone...you sound like the rest of the theives and liars in that cult.
gtrdline 2 years ago
Recruiting people just feels soooo wrong, most people look at you like the world's biggest dickhead. And the way your upline shoves the 100 family & friends call -*read: totally piss off & forever loose all respect for you*- list down your throat is pathetic. Some of the most insincere, superficial people I have ever met have just happened to be ambots.
ntrospect 2 years ago 4
well I went throught that too and wised up and got out with little damage.....my friends either wanted to
A) Kill me
or
B)Break my jaw
05Eagles1 2 years ago
I would rather be on welfare than rich with fucking Amway, it ruined my sister financially.
smgstevo 2 years ago
well I'm sorry she couldn't get out while she could, did she waste it on all those tools? Glad im though with it, recruiting people into it no longer clicked with me
05Eagles1 2 years ago 2
I would rather be rich with fucking Amway than on welfare, welfare ruined me financially.
Terratonific 2 years ago
your sister must be the dumb one.
mhsyou 2 years ago
I wonder if the thought crosses the IBO's heads (before the head out to prospect) that they're just wastting their time
05Eagles1 2 years ago
"...my diamond says I only have to get 4 more recruits? and I will be pulling in 6 figures"
Bwahahahahahahahahaha...hahahahaha...
hahahahahaha...*breathes*...
bwahahahahahahaha...hahaha..haha
..haha...ha..huh?
Pulling in 6 figures?...lol...sounds to me like you're just tugging with 5 ;)
ntrospect 2 years ago
Im going to be rich, screw all you people, my diamond says I only have to get 4 more recruits and I will be pulling in 6 figures.....
afcanesfan 2 years ago
Hahaha you would be perfect for their business, no wonder you worship your upline as "god", dude take a look around, Quixtar is a f****ng scam
supamaka 2 years ago
Yes, it is a cult, and it is a cult of retards who get together and whine about their jobs
slashslayerfly 2 years ago
"I invented air" HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! I'm sorry that was fucking hilarious when that dude said that, what an idiot
05Eagles1 2 years ago
I love how so many idiots pay to go to these meetings hahaha, no other business makes owners pay to go to meetings, but hey only a short 2 to 5 years ROFL.......stay in college, do yourself a favor
05Eagles1 2 years ago
Yeah, really...why pay to hear more of the same things they tell you in those motivational books/CDs, only in person and w/the added attraction of chanting slogans and sleep deprivation? LOL
WhatsAYak 2 years ago
were you ever recruited?
05Eagles1 2 years ago 2
Once, by a friend's ex-BF...the idea of having to recruit fam/friends didn't appeal to me, so I decided against joining, which was prolly the smartest move I ever made. :-)
WhatsAYak 2 years ago
hmmm i see, it didnt seem to fit me after a while, btw im only 20 years old,.....I was a little naive about the cults, but I quickly realized it was b.s. anyway I'm happy I'm not involved with their cults anymore =D.....I just think these diamonds/emeralds/platinums, etc should be ashamed of taking advantage of innocent people
05Eagles1 2 years ago 2
saying the same thing over and over and over again..........hmmm. sounds like a robot. I wonder how much those top guys will make if nobody attended the next big function of the year.........ROFL
05Eagles1 2 years ago 3
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how can it be a cult when those people are excited about their own future? an ibo is an independent business owner, they have no boss, and their efforts pay off 100% not true at a job, your effort at a job is payed off .000001% of what the company makes, and about the family and friends, those who do not understand how it works or what it can do for you, by the way, amway is only a vehical, you can take it anywhere, some would build it to fish and hunt all over the world, me i love to give
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ntrospect 2 years ago 8
so true, experienced it firsthand
05Eagles1 2 years ago 4
@ntrospect uhhmm no not really
MTGBrandon 1 year ago
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@MTGBrandon "uhhmm no not really"....Not really what????
ntrospect 1 year ago
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@MTGBrandon "uhhmm no not really" - Not really what??
ntrospect 1 year ago
@ntrospect Amen, my friend.
steveh777ify 1 year ago
here we go with the numbers.....is that in cd's, programmed for you to say to us "broke losers" don't even bother giving me a dream sheet either ROFL
05Eagles1 2 years ago 4
If you think you're truly "independent", try selling your product via eBay, Amazon, or some other site and see how quick you get shut down...oh, and you DO have a boss, what do you call your upline?
As for fam/friends, who knows you better: people you've been close to all your life, or some clown you just met in your local Barnes & Noble that only cares about expanding his downline?
WhatsAYak 2 years ago
"brainwashed or braincleaned?"....
That's quite a funny & somewhat ironic comment slbigred, I'll have to totally agree with you here, & in your own words yes, absolutely, you are ALL "braincleaned". Now lets break down what you wrote, brainWASHED.... brainCLEANED....WASHED=CLEANED when you wash something is it not clean? Thus you have conceded that you are indeed brainwashed.
LOL...for once an IBO actually speaks some truth ;)
ntrospect 2 years ago 5
Yeah, who would've thought? LOL...not to mention how he proved my point that, for all this talk about how Amway "makes you a better person", these IBOs are the most arrogant/condescending/judgmental people you'll ever meet.
WhatsAYak 2 years ago
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Let's not stop them from doing what they love.
Nobody can change a stubborn leopard.. Hahahaha gosh im pretty enjoying it!
Well people, keep on criticize! You r only proving what i'm saying is RIGHT. Bravo!
bluwey8 2 years ago
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haha. i guess u gotta give up asking them to stop. People here are paid to condemn amway. Why? Simply Because this is where they spent their valuable time, where they can find satisfaction and feel proud of what they had comment... Don't u forget that this place is also a haven for them to enhance they "criticizing" skills.
bluwey8 2 years ago
Shouldn't you be doing somethnig more productive w/your time, like building your business? Think what your upline would say!
WhatsAYak 2 years ago 2
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sailawaywithmehon 1 year ago
Do you have any evidence people here are paid to criticize the company, like cancelled checks, etc? Well?? Yeah, that's what I thought...did you get your brain dried after it was washed? LOL
WhatsAYak 2 years ago
Oh, and the critics aren't the ones who get paid for this kinda stuff...have you forgotten the 04 "Quixtar Web Initiative", in which pro-Quixtar pages were created for the sole purpose of knocking critical sites further down in Google searches? What's the matter, can't stand for people to hear from both sides and decide for themselves??
WhatsAYak 2 years ago
To huchilopotzcli:
Do you know why she can't get her 1st million as what she said few years back?
Because there's too many unsupportive people out there, waiting to see her fail and back to old self. The best example? One of them is you.
Ciao~
bluwey8 2 years ago
ya blame everyone else, it's a pyramid scheme or should i say scam...she's pissed at her own family member cuz he wouldn't join under her....that's so sad... i hope she and everyone in the world becomes prosperous, but cutting off family isn't the way i want to do it.
quincee33 2 years ago 5
please don't make me feel guilty jajajajaja are you crazy i am been supportive they eat at my house they are like my doughters,,,dont you see.. the money she saves by not buying food when they eat at my house she spend it on nutrilite to get more points convention tickets cd's books by the way now she thinks that she is better than me fixing my car jajajajajajajja
HUCHILOPOTZCLI 2 years ago
well my cousin now kind hate me because i dont follow her in amway when she starts to tell us that she is going to be millionaire in abot 3 to 5 years but after a year and a half of going to conventions now i aks her if she is becoming millionaire now she tells me well if i don't get the millions, i learn a lot of stuff is like going to the university now she visit us with her 3 girls to eat free almost every 2 to 3 times a week and she always say i don't have money but for scamway yes
HUCHILOPOTZCLI 2 years ago
Very good videos. The main reason for the business is recruit others through a hidden
pyramid schemes which sound like to me. I can not prove it is a pyramid scheme. What date line is saying that the products and service are not being met. Only the owner of Quixtar are making the money not the recruit making money. It is a out right scam ripping million of there hard earning money and losing their lefitimate jobs. This is sad to say. I hope the government will shut t hem down for good.
EW3864mlm 2 years ago 3
I love this jingle in the background lol
05Eagles1 2 years ago
I like how people are still waiting thier time trying to convince amyway is a cult, here a little taste of reality: If people are in Amway that means they like it and are likley going to stay, so all of this "it's a cult" is not going to affect them. And all of the amway people trying to convice that it's not will not convince the other people it's not..so why not drop it?
contotaly 2 years ago
It is a cult, it has the charcteristics of a cult, they praise on innocent people and brainwash them, brainwash them to the point where nothing they say is logical, im just glad i snapped out of it
05Eagles1 2 years ago