One thing I really liked about Rev. Hagin was that before he died he tried to correct some of the misguided prosperity teachers and their teachings as not lining up with the bible. I just wish most of them would have listened to him. I didn't agree with all of Rev. Hagin's teachings but I have no doubt he is with the Lord today and his teachings on faith have helped many (including me).
Kenyon had some great revelation. I really don't care so much Hagin copied as there have been others as well. The important thing is the revelation of bible knowledge is being taught to people and people such as myself have been blessed by it. I was just surprised when I first saw it in the early 80's as I thought this was a new revelation by Hagin but it actually was from Kenyon. No big deal for me as long as people are blessed just give God the honor.
I think the Kenyon society does not want to delve into this issue as how does it advance the christian faith. Hagin copied. I knew it years before it became an issue as I read just about all the books Hagin wrote and all the books Kenyon has published. If Hagin used the material and writings and it helped some people than I am sure the attitude is like the Apostle Paul who talked of those who preached the gospel out of pure motives and those who didn't. He was glad to see the gospel preached
I read many books by Kenneth Hagin and then later by EW Kenyon. Hagin absolutely copied Kenyon many times word for word and sentence for sentence. There is no denying it the facts are there for all to look and compare. The fact the Kenyon Society is being nice about it is to their credit. But he copied and I knew it well before it came out later as I saw it too in reading both of their books.
The point of accusing Hagin of plagiarism is to attack his integrity. To pass off others work as your own is dishonest. The fact that E.W. Keyon's publishing company doesn't think it's plagiarism speaks directly to the integrity issue. If they thought Hagin was trying to pass of Kenyon's work as his own they would say something about it. The fact is they think Hagin had no intent to plagiarize, which completely undermines the attacks on Hagin's integrity. The issue is the intent.
E.W. Kenyon ROCKS.... man the Gospel is clear and straight up in his teachings... Praise God for Kenyon... I just wish there were more teachers along his line of teaching.
Jesus did go to hell for 3 days and 3 nights, he then arose went and presented his blood in the heavenly holy of holies. Went back to Abrahams bosom, then he went and preached to the spirits that were in prison in hell from the days of Noah, as the flood waters came the earth began to repent. read 1 and 2 peter it talks about this. Then Jesus was seen for 40 days in Jerasulem until he ascended back to the father and gave the church his standing and authority.He ascended, and sent the Holy spirit
RL, Ahhh... Blasphemy.... the reason the Word of Faith movement has gotten even WORSE... they embraced Blasphemy. The Lord gave me a personal "Word" 25 years ago. That because "they" have embraced these lies the spiritual protection has lifted. That every crackpot nut-case demoniac would flock to their ministry. WOW! And I'm not even a prophet! Word of Faith and Latter Day Reign Prophet adherents will LOVE the AntiChrist! He will bring TRUE miracles and PEACE... well.. for 3.5 years at least!
Kenyon says Jesus became a sinner hanging on the cross while the bible sayd he bore our sin there also that he suffered in hell but he was in the grave but in the spirit preached
was Jesus only human on the cross and not the word of God no more? was Jesus the like the second Adam hanging on the cross tasting death so that we could get live? thank you brother and forgive me for hanging kenyon out
No Jesus wasn't "only" human on the cross, he was still God manifested on the flesh, but he was a real human not just a pretend human. He wasn't God just prentending to be a man he was a true man. That's what makes it a little hard to understand. So when in doubt I just stick to what the Bible says not to what theology says. The Bible says he was made sin for us.
Dewil Jesus never became unclean whe bore our sins he was judjed and made to be a crimminal sin but knew not of sin faithmovement blaspheme jesus by making him the gulti one in nead of being born again repent from this doctrine of demons
So he didnt take our sin?He didnt get whipped so that we can be healed?So Jesus didnt do the will of GOd,I guess Jesus came for nothing according to you.
@goyomarquez metonymy is a figure of speech which is used in this verse, that means,"made to be sin" is understood to mean,"made to be a sin offering" in this context. Jesus' death on the cross was fullfillment of the OT sin offering which had to be spotless & w/out blemish, aka w/out sin. Please look this up for yourself. Jesus was an acceptable sinless offering unto God, not satan for our sin, God is offended by our sin, not satan. Innocent blood shed for the guilty that is the whole idea
How did you determine that Paul is using metonymy? Did you use a metonymy-o-meter?
What you mean to say is that your theological assumptions overrule the plain meaning of the scripture. It must be a metonymy to line up with your theological assumptions. Perhaps it's the plain meaning than is correct and your theological assumptions which are wrong.
@goyomarquez typical w.o.f. belittlement. The Bible is to be understood literally, but when a statement appears to contradict known fact or the gen. teaching of truth, then we can expect that a figure of speech is present. In this case the OT teaches that sacrifices to God must be w/out blemish, aka sin. If Jesus became sin, or even satan's nature, this opposes the truth of the OT sin offering which is required to be w/out blemish or sin. You didn't research it like I asked nicely you just mock.
lilred, Prayerfully finding God's will is the key to Faith. Trying to manipulate God to your will through "Biblical Principles" is really no different than the witch throwing toad hair, camel spittel, and snake sweat in a kettle to manipulate spirits to do his/her will. RE: In St. John Jesus repeatedly says his mission was to do the will of the Father... THE REAL KEY to His miracle ministry. If God shows you His will how would He not do it?
There are "rules" to prosperity just like anything else. If you work it, it will work, it you won't, then it won't work. So many want the easy way out and if they don't get it, they complain and backbite. God hates this, and don't expect him to bless you while you are doing this. Most won't get rich overnight, nor will they learn the Bible overnight.
Folks you all are mis-quoting biblical teachings to smite a man of God. Do not judge, lest you be judged. You need to seek deeper revelation from the Word of God rather than your own foolish thoughts and human reasonings.
"Rules to prosperity" is witchcraft.. Anything that attempts to manipulate God is witchcraft. No wonder you follow this Heresy.. THIS is why KC is going to hell. He is a false teacher leading the sheep into darkness. I pray he repents and turns back to God.
anastamotic. sorry friend, absolutely witchcraft. Job was the most righteous man on earth... Chapter 1.... [God said] "consider my servant Job." Chapter 2 [God said] Consider my servant Job... both times He was speaking to Satan. You know the rest of the story.... oops too much to assume I guess...
lilredbug, Uhhh... the Bible? Try the first 2 chapters of Job. Note, GOD brings up the subject of Job to Satan... TWICE... and pulls away the Hedge that allows Satan to Destroy Job's Whole life.... all ALL things, all relationships, and even his health.
Uhhh...the Bible? Aren't you sweet? Sounds like you have been eating oats out of a half inch gas pipe. Did someone or something get your joy? You heretic hunters are the meanest bunch of people I know.
Lil, I'm sorry but you said, "Where did you find this stuff". I was truly a bit dumbfounded... still am. Did you think I read about Job in a Magazine? I do not claim to be well versed in the Bible, but I HAVE read it a few times. I also read 10 or 12 of Kenneth Hagin books .... most of which I had to order. Then I ordered two EW Kenyon books....
I said,"where did you find this information?" I had to go back because "stuff" didn't sound like a word I would use. I was referring to the witchcraft comparisons. I had never heard the WOF referred to as witchcraft and manipulating God before and wanted to know where it was found. I don't know anything about E.W. Kenyon.
Lilred, . If you get a TRUE word (RHEMA) from the Lord... and you know that you know that you know it is God.. Godly FAITH comes rather easily. Warning: Do NOT apply LOGOS in this manner.. that is YOUR faith...or presumption. YOUR faith is NOT Godly faith. In fact it is sin. Eve had faith in herself when she partook of the knowledge of Good and Evil.
I am not here to bash you. But I would like you to find Christ without the trappings of SELF centered heretical teaching. Do you think we are in "the last days"?
I was "saved" in 1959 at a missionary baptist church. I've gone to several different churches, but at the moment I'm undenominational. I assure you, I do know the Lord. So tell us more about this heretic hunter religion. I haven't really been able to understand it. It seems you can live and talk like the devil, call names, blaspheme, and still call yourself a Christian? Is that how it goes?
We're not so different. I go to nondenominational also when I go. My issue is WoF; it is the seductive SELF religion of our day. Fleshly obsessions with money are little different from the Sex cult Christians that crop up from time to time. There is truth to God's provision of abundance; but there are a lot of other principles and teaching to understand in balance.
Having security in Christ NO MATTER what happens, Counting the Cost, Finding God's PERFECT will for your life, being THANKFUL to God in ALL things. SACRIFICE ie. taking up OUR cross is an important teaching of JESUS.... WoF Bible studies are build around a profound OBSSESSION and MISUNDERSTANDING of FAITH... K. Hagin was not AS imbalanced... today they're little more than Positive Thinkers and Wiccans... all are Eastern Mysticism.
Then try looking at the life of Paul. Started out a well to do educated religious leader 2.5 kids and a wife. ..Struck down on the road by God. sequestered away for 14 years...Then he went to ministry... repeatedly beaten, ran out of town, rejected, imprisoned... sometimes the lower prison where feces urine and food scraps fell from the upper levels of prison. Shipwrecked and finally martyred for Christ. Counting the Cost is a principle just as much as abundant life...
These prosperity preachers make fun of christians who do not have money. I have seen Keneth Copland, Creflo, Jessy and others laugh and mock christians who do not have money. I judge them according to Jesus teaching in John 7:24. Here is the Judgment. Proverbs 17:5 Anyone who mocks the poor, reproaches his maker.
I read some of E.W. Kenyons writings. He has a way of sounding like Satan. You know how the serpent sounded to Eve in the garden. He writes alot and uses partial scriptures. He likes to wrap lies and fantasy with scripture. This is the knowledge of good and evil. Sound familiar? Tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden. We know what happened to Eve and Adam for eating that fruit.
If God can speak creation into being (Genesis 1:3,6,11,14,etc) and a women beyond medical help can speak the terms of her healing into being (Matthew 9:20,21; Mark 5:25-28) that's a lot of Biblical evidence to support Hagin's teachings on faith. I made God my spiritual Father when I accepted Jesus as my saviour so I do things His way instead of somebody else's. I even got saved that way and can't recommend it highly enough.
These verses do not give evidence to the power of faith and words as Hagin teaches. GOD CAN speak creating into being. Man/women cannot speak whatever they want into reality, as Hagin claimed.
ror, Man speaking creation into being is CLEARLY Wiccan thought. These poor deluded peope do not know how blinded they are. I was once there too... but I began reading my Bible ... ALL of it! There is a just a bit of truth in this teaching of course... but the length they take things to makes WoF TRUE HERESY. The butchering of the sheep makes these men hirelings... at best. False prophets and Hell bound more likely.
Hagin has always to my knowledge supported his claims with the Bible and his teachings refer to the Bible in both a legal and historical sense, as grounds for the truth of his teachings and as a source of examples. His spiritual experiences are simply his own testimonies that all practicing Christians offer to others, whether believers or not. An incarnation is generally defined as the embodiment or enfleshment of an entity. That makes us all incarnations including Jesus.
You did well to miss the point that we clearly AREN'T an incarnation LIKE CHRIST, as you insist. You can't use a "general definition" of incarnation here. But go ahead, you keep thinking you're an equal to Christ. I'm sure he'll understand.
The publishing house denies the plagiarizing because nobody is really gonna take up suit against them. They get called on it and they just deny it. Anyone can find the resources to prove the claim of plagiarizing true. Hagin popularized Kenyon's work, adding even more heresies. Kenyon coined the "what I confess, I possess" phrase.
Kenneth Hagin drew heavily from Kenyon's work, including his statement, "Every man who has been born again is an incarnation, and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth." Hmm. Now where does Scripture say this?
Hagin insisted, "It would help you get faith down in your spirit to say out loud: "Faith in my faith" Keep sayin it until it registers on your heart. I know it sounds strange when you say it; your mind almost rebels against it. But we are not talking about your head; we're talking about faith in your heart."
CRA, While I was WoF KC taught FAITH COMETH BY HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD to justify Name it & Claim it. I looked up WORD in Strong's and in the greek it is LOGOS...NOT Rhema. Faith comes by Rhema but not Logos. IE Revelation you can take and walk on water... Therefore FAITH COMES FROM GOD. IT IS NOT OUR FAITH!!! Hagin's Chant prayer for "Faith in my faith" is Wiccan.
rl, It is really straight forward. FAITH COMETH BY HEARING, AND HEARING BY THE [RHEMA] OF GOD. Copeland said it means Revelation word... taught it daily almost.... for YEARS! He is basically right on that point... and agrees with your point about SPOKEN [by God] Word. Means YOU proved Copeland wrong also. And proved Word of Faith is based on a LIE! Good Job!
rl, But the Copelandites continuously pushed "Name it and Claim it." IE Find a scripture to your fancy and "Claim it"! Scripture is Logos... not Rhema. You cannot for example claim a scripture [Logos] about killing all all the inhabitants of a city like Jericho. That was a Rhema for Joshua... not you! Copeland's techniques are Witchcraft. NOW.... if God quickens a "Word" for you FROM Logos.. the Logos BECOMES Rhema. But, if your selfish desires quicken it, it is Blasphemy!
Not only does Hagin boast of alleged visits to heaven and hell, but he recounts numerous out-of-body experiences as well. Word-faith adherents have placed him on a pedestal, higher than Moses and such others.
These people are set up for the AntiChrist. Hagin was closer to New Age than the Gospel of Christ. His Skewed Scripture and Christian Jargon leads the sheep astray. But if they started out learning scripture this would not be so successful. The Bible speaks of a great falling away in the last days... "that even the very elect would fall away." Welcome to the end.
loggerbuck: Everything you have written is correct. I doubt you'll get lilredbug to understand or even comprehend what you're saying. She's so far into WoF that she puts Hagin's teachings above God's Word. She cannot rightly divide the two.
rorshakks, I'm always searching the word. It's people like you that makes me glad I know about the WOF movement. They have love which is something you don't seem to know anything about. You or loggerbuck. I asked a simple question and get flogged. Shows what you are.
I don't know anything about love? That's why I and others warn people of the biblically-contradicting word faith movement. Get it.
You asked a simple question and got a simple answer. It was just an answer you don't like. WoF theology has been abundantly proven to be heretical. You just don't get nor want to understand why.
Did I say anything to you until you began to bash me? Love? I get it, but I don't think you do. Don't judge me or anyone else, until you judge yourself first. As for the Word of Faith movement, I have studied it for years and it's viable. On the other hand, this heretic hunter stuff that you practice will only get you even more deceived and confused.
You think if anyone communicates to you that WoF theology is unbiblical, you cry that it's personal and blah blah blah. We're not practicing "heretic hunting". Wordfaith theology gives itself up as unbiblical. Hagin preached of his "faith in faith". Sorry, it's faith in God. You can't name it and claim it, blab it and grab it and get anything you want as he taught. That's unbiblical.
rorshakks, there is a little more to the WOF than you people know. You've never fully studied or practiced it. You may have tried it, but it's not for those who "try" it. For one thing, a mature Christian HAS to walk in LOVE for it to work for him/her. God will reveal "truths" to those who are willing to step out in faith. It's not for the weak of heart, I assure you.
I'm not sure, but I think you might be able to order them from Kenneth Copeland's website. Again, I'm not sure though. TBN might could tell you, or possibly a christian bookstore. You might go to myspace and on the music search find him.
The problem with this video is that most of everything this poor soul has said is absolutely untrue. Hagin did steal Kenyen's work and as for the poster prior to this one, He is probably one of the worst when it comes to interpreting any bible passage. Don't be fooled Word of Faith is Heresy
Kenneth E. Hagin's teachings are scriptural for those who care to look them up. Some people who feel threatened by his teachings seem to feel they have a licence to label them as false without any substantiation whereas Hagin's teachings are always supported with scriptures.
Rightly criticizing Hagin's teachings is not done because one feels threatened. He is critiqued because his teachings don't square with historic Christianity. Substantiation for said false teachings is readily available and a discerning Christian finds Hagin lacking.
I was birthed into WoF. Bought a couple of EW Kenyon books found as bibliography for couple of dozen Hagin books I read. Kenyon was an occultist and Hagin followed his teachings....I'm not word of faith now....I follow the Bible as best I can...
I think that everyone who has commented on this video have missed out on the very things that makes us Christians-our ability to follow Christ and his Teachings. Jesus tought love and the truth(which is God's word,nothing else) and we are not in the authority that we gained through his teachings. Lets all worry about getting people saved first, and let's leave the mudslinging to the nonbelievers! God bless!
I have to admit that this book does balance out a lot of the prosperity gospel. It's been years since I have read that book, but I'm sure there are some good things about it.
Kenneth Hagin was a false prophet preaching a false, money loving, mancentered, non Godcentered gospel. He was also a racist hypocrite, sometimes you have to call it like it is when truth is truth
Is Richmond a professed christian? Does he call another human being and even Christian a MORON? It is this kind of hypocritical Christianity that has opened the door to the decline of Christianity in this country.
I think that comment is a little to harsh and not spoken in love. I used to be heavily and deeply involved the Word of Faith movement, but by God's grace and His Holy Spirit I was shown the errors. I was not approached by anyone counteracting their beliefs, but the God of grace showed me.
One thing I really liked about Rev. Hagin was that before he died he tried to correct some of the misguided prosperity teachers and their teachings as not lining up with the bible. I just wish most of them would have listened to him. I didn't agree with all of Rev. Hagin's teachings but I have no doubt he is with the Lord today and his teachings on faith have helped many (including me).
SkeeterN 1 year ago
yes thats because he settled out of court
SuperHazard2 2 years ago
Kenyon had some great revelation. I really don't care so much Hagin copied as there have been others as well. The important thing is the revelation of bible knowledge is being taught to people and people such as myself have been blessed by it. I was just surprised when I first saw it in the early 80's as I thought this was a new revelation by Hagin but it actually was from Kenyon. No big deal for me as long as people are blessed just give God the honor.
SkeeterN 2 years ago
I think the Kenyon society does not want to delve into this issue as how does it advance the christian faith. Hagin copied. I knew it years before it became an issue as I read just about all the books Hagin wrote and all the books Kenyon has published. If Hagin used the material and writings and it helped some people than I am sure the attitude is like the Apostle Paul who talked of those who preached the gospel out of pure motives and those who didn't. He was glad to see the gospel preached
SkeeterN 2 years ago
I read many books by Kenneth Hagin and then later by EW Kenyon. Hagin absolutely copied Kenyon many times word for word and sentence for sentence. There is no denying it the facts are there for all to look and compare. The fact the Kenyon Society is being nice about it is to their credit. But he copied and I knew it well before it came out later as I saw it too in reading both of their books.
SkeeterN 2 years ago
The point of accusing Hagin of plagiarism is to attack his integrity. To pass off others work as your own is dishonest. The fact that E.W. Keyon's publishing company doesn't think it's plagiarism speaks directly to the integrity issue. If they thought Hagin was trying to pass of Kenyon's work as his own they would say something about it. The fact is they think Hagin had no intent to plagiarize, which completely undermines the attacks on Hagin's integrity. The issue is the intent.
MarquezGreg 2 years ago
E.W. Kenyon ROCKS.... man the Gospel is clear and straight up in his teachings... Praise God for Kenyon... I just wish there were more teachers along his line of teaching.
7200abc 3 years ago
Jesus did go to hell for 3 days and 3 nights, he then arose went and presented his blood in the heavenly holy of holies. Went back to Abrahams bosom, then he went and preached to the spirits that were in prison in hell from the days of Noah, as the flood waters came the earth began to repent. read 1 and 2 peter it talks about this. Then Jesus was seen for 40 days in Jerasulem until he ascended back to the father and gave the church his standing and authority.He ascended, and sent the Holy spirit
SelflessEmpire 3 years ago
RL, Ahhh... Blasphemy.... the reason the Word of Faith movement has gotten even WORSE... they embraced Blasphemy. The Lord gave me a personal "Word" 25 years ago. That because "they" have embraced these lies the spiritual protection has lifted. That every crackpot nut-case demoniac would flock to their ministry. WOW! And I'm not even a prophet! Word of Faith and Latter Day Reign Prophet adherents will LOVE the AntiChrist! He will bring TRUE miracles and PEACE... well.. for 3.5 years at least!
loggerbuck 4 years ago
Kenyon says Jesus became a sinner hanging on the cross while the bible sayd he bore our sin there also that he suffered in hell but he was in the grave but in the spirit preached
to the peoble in hell from noas days
memrmethatsokey 4 years ago
I'm not really sure there is a distinction between bearing our sins and becoming a sinner but the Bible does say:
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." 2 Corinthians 5:21, KJV.
goyomarquez 4 years ago
was Jesus only human on the cross and not the word of God no more? was Jesus the like the second Adam hanging on the cross tasting death so that we could get live? thank you brother and forgive me for hanging kenyon out
today i believe him
memrmethatsokey 4 years ago
No Jesus wasn't "only" human on the cross, he was still God manifested on the flesh, but he was a real human not just a pretend human. He wasn't God just prentending to be a man he was a true man. That's what makes it a little hard to understand. So when in doubt I just stick to what the Bible says not to what theology says. The Bible says he was made sin for us.
goyomarquez 4 years ago
Now i know that the faihmovement is of the
Dewil Jesus never became unclean whe bore our sins he was judjed and made to be a crimminal sin but knew not of sin faithmovement blaspheme jesus by making him the gulti one in nead of being born again repent from this doctrine of demons
memrmethatsokey 4 years ago
So he didnt take our sin?He didnt get whipped so that we can be healed?So Jesus didnt do the will of GOd,I guess Jesus came for nothing according to you.
6gording6 4 years ago
@goyomarquez metonymy is a figure of speech which is used in this verse, that means,"made to be sin" is understood to mean,"made to be a sin offering" in this context. Jesus' death on the cross was fullfillment of the OT sin offering which had to be spotless & w/out blemish, aka w/out sin. Please look this up for yourself. Jesus was an acceptable sinless offering unto God, not satan for our sin, God is offended by our sin, not satan. Innocent blood shed for the guilty that is the whole idea
TheBereangirl 1 year ago
@TheBereangirl
How did you determine that Paul is using metonymy? Did you use a metonymy-o-meter?
What you mean to say is that your theological assumptions overrule the plain meaning of the scripture. It must be a metonymy to line up with your theological assumptions. Perhaps it's the plain meaning than is correct and your theological assumptions which are wrong.
goyomarquez 1 year ago
@goyomarquez typical w.o.f. belittlement. The Bible is to be understood literally, but when a statement appears to contradict known fact or the gen. teaching of truth, then we can expect that a figure of speech is present. In this case the OT teaches that sacrifices to God must be w/out blemish, aka sin. If Jesus became sin, or even satan's nature, this opposes the truth of the OT sin offering which is required to be w/out blemish or sin. You didn't research it like I asked nicely you just mock.
TheBereangirl 1 year ago
what?
gacel92 4 years ago
Thank you i believe that to to bad milions of Christians call us blasphemers and dont grasp what sacrifice he gave in even going to hell
in our place wow what a savior
memrmethatsokey 4 years ago
Thank you for this video!!
karley22 4 years ago
lilred, Prayerfully finding God's will is the key to Faith. Trying to manipulate God to your will through "Biblical Principles" is really no different than the witch throwing toad hair, camel spittel, and snake sweat in a kettle to manipulate spirits to do his/her will. RE: In St. John Jesus repeatedly says his mission was to do the will of the Father... THE REAL KEY to His miracle ministry. If God shows you His will how would He not do it?
loggerbuck 4 years ago
There are "rules" to prosperity just like anything else. If you work it, it will work, it you won't, then it won't work. So many want the easy way out and if they don't get it, they complain and backbite. God hates this, and don't expect him to bless you while you are doing this. Most won't get rich overnight, nor will they learn the Bible overnight.
lilredbug 4 years ago
Folks you all are mis-quoting biblical teachings to smite a man of God. Do not judge, lest you be judged. You need to seek deeper revelation from the Word of God rather than your own foolish thoughts and human reasonings.
xer2003 4 years ago
xer2003, I'm not trying to smite anyone.
lilredbug 4 years ago
"Rules to prosperity" is witchcraft.. Anything that attempts to manipulate God is witchcraft. No wonder you follow this Heresy.. THIS is why KC is going to hell. He is a false teacher leading the sheep into darkness. I pray he repents and turns back to God.
loggerbuck 4 years ago
Manipulate God? God has made promises before you were born, if you fufuill your part, he fufills his, no manipulation of God involved.
anastamotic 4 years ago
anastamotic. sorry friend, absolutely witchcraft. Job was the most righteous man on earth... Chapter 1.... [God said] "consider my servant Job." Chapter 2 [God said] Consider my servant Job... both times He was speaking to Satan. You know the rest of the story.... oops too much to assume I guess...
loggerbuck 4 years ago
loggerbuck, where did you find this information?
lilredbug 4 years ago
lilredbug, Uhhh... the Bible? Try the first 2 chapters of Job. Note, GOD brings up the subject of Job to Satan... TWICE... and pulls away the Hedge that allows Satan to Destroy Job's Whole life.... all ALL things, all relationships, and even his health.
loggerbuck 4 years ago
Uhhh...the Bible? Aren't you sweet? Sounds like you have been eating oats out of a half inch gas pipe. Did someone or something get your joy? You heretic hunters are the meanest bunch of people I know.
lilredbug 4 years ago
Lil, I'm sorry but you said, "Where did you find this stuff". I was truly a bit dumbfounded... still am. Did you think I read about Job in a Magazine? I do not claim to be well versed in the Bible, but I HAVE read it a few times. I also read 10 or 12 of Kenneth Hagin books .... most of which I had to order. Then I ordered two EW Kenyon books....
loggerbuck 4 years ago
I said,"where did you find this information?" I had to go back because "stuff" didn't sound like a word I would use. I was referring to the witchcraft comparisons. I had never heard the WOF referred to as witchcraft and manipulating God before and wanted to know where it was found. I don't know anything about E.W. Kenyon.
lilredbug 4 years ago
Lilred, . If you get a TRUE word (RHEMA) from the Lord... and you know that you know that you know it is God.. Godly FAITH comes rather easily. Warning: Do NOT apply LOGOS in this manner.. that is YOUR faith...or presumption. YOUR faith is NOT Godly faith. In fact it is sin. Eve had faith in herself when she partook of the knowledge of Good and Evil.
loggerbuck 4 years ago
I am not here to bash you. But I would like you to find Christ without the trappings of SELF centered heretical teaching. Do you think we are in "the last days"?
loggerbuck 4 years ago
I was "saved" in 1959 at a missionary baptist church. I've gone to several different churches, but at the moment I'm undenominational. I assure you, I do know the Lord. So tell us more about this heretic hunter religion. I haven't really been able to understand it. It seems you can live and talk like the devil, call names, blaspheme, and still call yourself a Christian? Is that how it goes?
lilredbug 4 years ago
We're not so different. I go to nondenominational also when I go. My issue is WoF; it is the seductive SELF religion of our day. Fleshly obsessions with money are little different from the Sex cult Christians that crop up from time to time. There is truth to God's provision of abundance; but there are a lot of other principles and teaching to understand in balance.
loggerbuck 4 years ago
Having security in Christ NO MATTER what happens, Counting the Cost, Finding God's PERFECT will for your life, being THANKFUL to God in ALL things. SACRIFICE ie. taking up OUR cross is an important teaching of JESUS.... WoF Bible studies are build around a profound OBSSESSION and MISUNDERSTANDING of FAITH... K. Hagin was not AS imbalanced... today they're little more than Positive Thinkers and Wiccans... all are Eastern Mysticism.
loggerbuck 4 years ago
Then try looking at the life of Paul. Started out a well to do educated religious leader 2.5 kids and a wife. ..Struck down on the road by God. sequestered away for 14 years...Then he went to ministry... repeatedly beaten, ran out of town, rejected, imprisoned... sometimes the lower prison where feces urine and food scraps fell from the upper levels of prison. Shipwrecked and finally martyred for Christ. Counting the Cost is a principle just as much as abundant life...
loggerbuck 4 years ago
These prosperity preachers make fun of christians who do not have money. I have seen Keneth Copland, Creflo, Jessy and others laugh and mock christians who do not have money. I judge them according to Jesus teaching in John 7:24. Here is the Judgment. Proverbs 17:5 Anyone who mocks the poor, reproaches his maker.
TrueNewsOnline 4 years ago
I read some of E.W. Kenyons writings. He has a way of sounding like Satan. You know how the serpent sounded to Eve in the garden. He writes alot and uses partial scriptures. He likes to wrap lies and fantasy with scripture. This is the knowledge of good and evil. Sound familiar? Tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden. We know what happened to Eve and Adam for eating that fruit.
TrueNewsOnline 4 years ago
You take your faith in your faith. I'll take faith in God ONLY.
rorshakks 4 years ago
If God can speak creation into being (Genesis 1:3,6,11,14,etc) and a women beyond medical help can speak the terms of her healing into being (Matthew 9:20,21; Mark 5:25-28) that's a lot of Biblical evidence to support Hagin's teachings on faith. I made God my spiritual Father when I accepted Jesus as my saviour so I do things His way instead of somebody else's. I even got saved that way and can't recommend it highly enough.
MurrayMD 4 years ago
These verses do not give evidence to the power of faith and words as Hagin teaches. GOD CAN speak creating into being. Man/women cannot speak whatever they want into reality, as Hagin claimed.
rorshakks 4 years ago
ror, Man speaking creation into being is CLEARLY Wiccan thought. These poor deluded peope do not know how blinded they are. I was once there too... but I began reading my Bible ... ALL of it! There is a just a bit of truth in this teaching of course... but the length they take things to makes WoF TRUE HERESY. The butchering of the sheep makes these men hirelings... at best. False prophets and Hell bound more likely.
loggerbuck 4 years ago
Hagin has always to my knowledge supported his claims with the Bible and his teachings refer to the Bible in both a legal and historical sense, as grounds for the truth of his teachings and as a source of examples. His spiritual experiences are simply his own testimonies that all practicing Christians offer to others, whether believers or not. An incarnation is generally defined as the embodiment or enfleshment of an entity. That makes us all incarnations including Jesus.
MurrayMD 4 years ago
You did well to miss the point that we clearly AREN'T an incarnation LIKE CHRIST, as you insist. You can't use a "general definition" of incarnation here. But go ahead, you keep thinking you're an equal to Christ. I'm sure he'll understand.
rorshakks 4 years ago
The publishing house denies the plagiarizing because nobody is really gonna take up suit against them. They get called on it and they just deny it. Anyone can find the resources to prove the claim of plagiarizing true. Hagin popularized Kenyon's work, adding even more heresies. Kenyon coined the "what I confess, I possess" phrase.
rorshakks 4 years ago
Kenneth Hagin drew heavily from Kenyon's work, including his statement, "Every man who has been born again is an incarnation, and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth." Hmm. Now where does Scripture say this?
CRApologetics 4 years ago
Hagin insisted, "It would help you get faith down in your spirit to say out loud: "Faith in my faith" Keep sayin it until it registers on your heart. I know it sounds strange when you say it; your mind almost rebels against it. But we are not talking about your head; we're talking about faith in your heart."
CRApologetics 4 years ago
CRA, While I was WoF KC taught FAITH COMETH BY HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD to justify Name it & Claim it. I looked up WORD in Strong's and in the greek it is LOGOS...NOT Rhema. Faith comes by Rhema but not Logos. IE Revelation you can take and walk on water... Therefore FAITH COMES FROM GOD. IT IS NOT OUR FAITH!!! Hagin's Chant prayer for "Faith in my faith" is Wiccan.
loggerbuck 4 years ago
Logos is the 'written' word of God, Rhema is the 'spoken' word of God. "Hearing" would require the Rhema word
rlwhip 4 years ago
rl, It is really straight forward. FAITH COMETH BY HEARING, AND HEARING BY THE [RHEMA] OF GOD. Copeland said it means Revelation word... taught it daily almost.... for YEARS! He is basically right on that point... and agrees with your point about SPOKEN [by God] Word. Means YOU proved Copeland wrong also. And proved Word of Faith is based on a LIE! Good Job!
loggerbuck 4 years ago
rl, But the Copelandites continuously pushed "Name it and Claim it." IE Find a scripture to your fancy and "Claim it"! Scripture is Logos... not Rhema. You cannot for example claim a scripture [Logos] about killing all all the inhabitants of a city like Jericho. That was a Rhema for Joshua... not you! Copeland's techniques are Witchcraft. NOW.... if God quickens a "Word" for you FROM Logos.. the Logos BECOMES Rhema. But, if your selfish desires quicken it, it is Blasphemy!
loggerbuck 4 years ago
Not only does Hagin boast of alleged visits to heaven and hell, but he recounts numerous out-of-body experiences as well. Word-faith adherents have placed him on a pedestal, higher than Moses and such others.
CRApologetics 4 years ago
These people are set up for the AntiChrist. Hagin was closer to New Age than the Gospel of Christ. His Skewed Scripture and Christian Jargon leads the sheep astray. But if they started out learning scripture this would not be so successful. The Bible speaks of a great falling away in the last days... "that even the very elect would fall away." Welcome to the end.
loggerbuck 4 years ago
loggerbuck: Everything you have written is correct. I doubt you'll get lilredbug to understand or even comprehend what you're saying. She's so far into WoF that she puts Hagin's teachings above God's Word. She cannot rightly divide the two.
rorshakks 4 years ago
rorshakks, I'm always searching the word. It's people like you that makes me glad I know about the WOF movement. They have love which is something you don't seem to know anything about. You or loggerbuck. I asked a simple question and get flogged. Shows what you are.
lilredbug 4 years ago
I don't know anything about love? That's why I and others warn people of the biblically-contradicting word faith movement. Get it.
You asked a simple question and got a simple answer. It was just an answer you don't like. WoF theology has been abundantly proven to be heretical. You just don't get nor want to understand why.
rorshakks 4 years ago
Did I say anything to you until you began to bash me? Love? I get it, but I don't think you do. Don't judge me or anyone else, until you judge yourself first. As for the Word of Faith movement, I have studied it for years and it's viable. On the other hand, this heretic hunter stuff that you practice will only get you even more deceived and confused.
lilredbug 4 years ago
You think if anyone communicates to you that WoF theology is unbiblical, you cry that it's personal and blah blah blah. We're not practicing "heretic hunting". Wordfaith theology gives itself up as unbiblical. Hagin preached of his "faith in faith". Sorry, it's faith in God. You can't name it and claim it, blab it and grab it and get anything you want as he taught. That's unbiblical.
rorshakks 4 years ago
rorshakks, there is a little more to the WOF than you people know. You've never fully studied or practiced it. You may have tried it, but it's not for those who "try" it. For one thing, a mature Christian HAS to walk in LOVE for it to work for him/her. God will reveal "truths" to those who are willing to step out in faith. It's not for the weak of heart, I assure you.
lilredbug 4 years ago
smoe one help me, how can i get more of kenyons book and dvd
uzo111sandra 4 years ago
I'm not sure, but I think you might be able to order them from Kenneth Copeland's website. Again, I'm not sure though. TBN might could tell you, or possibly a christian bookstore. You might go to myspace and on the music search find him.
lilredbug 4 years ago
The problem with this video is that most of everything this poor soul has said is absolutely untrue. Hagin did steal Kenyen's work and as for the poster prior to this one, He is probably one of the worst when it comes to interpreting any bible passage. Don't be fooled Word of Faith is Heresy
hollandmin 4 years ago
Said quite eloquently, hollandmin.
rorshakks 4 years ago
Kenneth E. Hagin's teachings are scriptural for those who care to look them up. Some people who feel threatened by his teachings seem to feel they have a licence to label them as false without any substantiation whereas Hagin's teachings are always supported with scriptures.
MurrayMD 4 years ago
Rightly criticizing Hagin's teachings is not done because one feels threatened. He is critiqued because his teachings don't square with historic Christianity. Substantiation for said false teachings is readily available and a discerning Christian finds Hagin lacking.
CRApologetics 4 years ago
I was birthed into WoF. Bought a couple of EW Kenyon books found as bibliography for couple of dozen Hagin books I read. Kenyon was an occultist and Hagin followed his teachings....I'm not word of faith now....I follow the Bible as best I can...
armourup 4 years ago
Hagin should have copied off of Jesus words, since Jesus isn't worried about any copy write laws.
zerotime77 4 years ago
I think that everyone who has commented on this video have missed out on the very things that makes us Christians-our ability to follow Christ and his Teachings. Jesus tought love and the truth(which is God's word,nothing else) and we are not in the authority that we gained through his teachings. Lets all worry about getting people saved first, and let's leave the mudslinging to the nonbelievers! God bless!
mrmcgill 5 years ago
Hagin was demon possessed, and he was kind enough to share that demon with the world.
dog1dog2 5 years ago
Read Hagins book The Midas tuch and see if he is moneyloving. I think his teachings are very balansed.
andreascucca 5 years ago
I have to admit that this book does balance out a lot of the prosperity gospel. It's been years since I have read that book, but I'm sure there are some good things about it.
Axiom79 5 years ago
Kenneth Hagin was a false prophet preaching a false, money loving, mancentered, non Godcentered gospel. He was also a racist hypocrite, sometimes you have to call it like it is when truth is truth
hasani42 5 years ago
Is Richmond a professed christian? Does he call another human being and even Christian a MORON? It is this kind of hypocritical Christianity that has opened the door to the decline of Christianity in this country.
periechontology 5 years ago
would you have said the same about Jesus for calling pontius Pilate a fox
hasani42 5 years ago
Kenneth Hagin was a moronic heretic and so are all of his followers.
richmond450 5 years ago
I think that comment is a little to harsh and not spoken in love. I used to be heavily and deeply involved the Word of Faith movement, but by God's grace and His Holy Spirit I was shown the errors. I was not approached by anyone counteracting their beliefs, but the God of grace showed me.
Axiom79 5 years ago
right on bro.!
Stanseng 5 years ago
the publishing house is only interested in not losing money
hasani42 5 years ago