Looks like the evolutionist are backed up in the corner and franticly trying to keep life in this dying idea. Lets talk cell biology rather than fossils :p.
@TCupUK Well, the theory of evolution is the name of the theory, but evolution is the process, and it is seen every single day. Ever heard about multidrugresistant bacterias? That is natural selection, and thereby evolution, in practice. Ground breaking finding? Pls. have been you been living under a rock for the last century?
@Ko252 I think you will find that it is the theory of evolution by means of natural selection that is last century.
You can not see evolution no more than you can see gravity. MDR bacteria demonstrates an immune system, that is not natural selection. It is the same for humans we build up a tolerance thanks to are immune system's not evolution by natural selection. Why do so many atheists argue a theory that they themselves do not even understand. What exactly is this evolution that we see ? :p
@TCupUK No, it isnt, and I will go even further on call it a law. Wrong. You can see evolution directly, opposite to gravitation (for now). You can do DNA-sequencing. MDR bacterias dont demonstrate an immun system, but evolution. They undergo mutation, bypassing of genes within different species of bacterias, etc. to evolve. Some part of our immunsystem work as same, but not all. We can for instance not do a plasmid exchange. I am not an atheist, and I do understand this theory, comapred to you.
We can debunk them together if you really want to.
You can not see evolution, and there is a simple point to prove this. Show me one instance of life that has produced a species that is different to its parents. Just one! (And do not give that BS that evolution does not work like this, because this is my point why you can not see it. You see its effects, like gravity.
MDR. so what is it that makes this evolution and not an immune/tolerance?
Does this mean our immune system is evolution and not an immune system?
But horizontal gene transfer’s making evolution superfluous, and a victim to Occam’s razor.
Lets not mention all the problems HGT cause evolution, and this unlike evolution can be tested in the lab.
Google it you will learn something. You are correct that I do not understand the theory and that is because it is illogical knowing what we do now. Are you a theist?
@TCupUK Further on, I think you are mistaking a scientific theory, from what is called a hypothesis. Evolution is NOT a hypothesis. Andr regarding what evolution is? It is the ability of a self-replicating system to evolve and fit is evironment. Further on, this isnt something enclosed to carbon-made system alone.
@Ko252 Shocking, there really is no need to add words to what I say, if I say theory that is because I mean theory. But with that said, bringing up Greek word when speaking about evolution does seem appropriate. Especially considering all the myths they supposed!
@TCupUK It is needed, especially since you seem to confuse the meaning of theory in science and theory in general. A theory in science, is the same as fact in general, so it is far stronger than you try relay. Greek work? Which one? And myth? Pls. educate yourself, because calling a scientific theory for a myth, is insulting your own intelligence.
@Ko252 You can keep the semantics argument going if you like. I understand how it allows us to avoid the actual issues with Evolution. And I see you do not understand the origins behind the words you use, or there meanings. I suppose you just suppose you know! It will be much easier to insult me personally than discuss the scientific evidence. I understand this, and I hypothesis (suppose) this is why we are not discussing horizontal gene transfer. Debunking myths are always controversial.
@TCupUK Semantics? Far from. It is correction of your misuse of terms. You havnt put any issued regarding Evolution, but tend to call it a myth, etc. Where is your proof denying it correctness? Further on, you seem to have a lack of the proper understanding of this scientific theory. I both understand the origins, and the theory itself. Insult you? You are doing a proper job yourself. And further on, I was the one putting out horizontal gene transfer, not you. Debunking? Hehehe.
@Ko252 Explain to me how horizontal gene transfer fits in to the theory of evolution. You know they swap DNA and genes without self replication, slight modifications or genetic inheritance. They clearly contradict the model of evolution. This evidence you put forward actually contradicts evolution as the bacteria clearly do not need a common ancestor, and can share DNA across species.
Any evidence you bring forward for evolution can be easily discredited, try me if you do not believe me.
@Ko252 Can you show me the proof we have of the purely theoretical concept of the primordial soup?
You know the idea about wale evolution has been debunked right? There is a pattern when it comes to evolution, it normal involves some so called transitional fossil that is later proven not to be a transitional fossil, fake or a pre conceived assumption. So what tests can I carry out to confirm evolution in the lab ? Is there one? You got a mathematical equation to predict evolutionary effects?
@TCupUK Your first phrase: Here is a study regarding abiogensis, which is quite interesting: Synthesis of activated pyrimidine ribonucleotides in prebiotically plausible conditions Matthew W. Powner, Beatrice Gerland & John D. Sutherland. Nature, Vol. 460, May 13, 2009.
Now regarding the rest; Wale evolution has been debunked: Where? Give me a reliable source. Pattern. Any reliable sources? Confirm evolution in a lab? You already do, with for instance bacterias. Further on, horizontal gene ...
@Ko252 Simply, can you provide evidence of the primordial soup?. It is a simple request.
Basilosaurus drazindai was apparently found in Pakistan, but is only related by taxonomic means and this amongst taxonomicists can be highly debated.
"Basilosaurus is not believed to have been capable of sustained swimming or deep diving. It is also believed that the primitive whale was incapable of terrestrial locomotion."
So how the fuck did it get to Egypt and Pakistan?
@Ko252 Simply, can you provide evidence of the primordial soup?. It is a simple request.
Basilosaurus drazindai was apparently found in Pakistan, but is only related by taxonomic means and this amongst taxonomicists can be highly debated.
"Basilosaurus is not believed to have been capable of sustained swimming or deep diving. It is also believed that the primitive whale was incapable of terrestrial locomotion."
"In 1894 Smithsonian curator Charles Schuchert went to Alabama and collected fossil bones in order to mount the first scientifically accurate specimen. The mount has been altered several times in response to new discoveries. It is still on display today in the National Museum of Natural History, the only real specimen currently exhibited in the world."
@Ko252 You can not win when the rules keep being changed to favour the evolutionist. Evolution itself has evolved evidently, and will continue to because if not it will go extinct.
How many times has so called transitional fossils later been debunked, and often as hand made. I ask because keeping count is hard with so many.
If you really want to we can go in to all the inconsistencies, but it would be easier if you bothered to do the research yourself.
Respond to this video... Horizontal gene transfer contradicts the evolutionary principle. It makes it superfluous. But like I said before, every time you show contradictory evidence the evolutionist simple evolves it into there theory. By means that reassemble HGT ironically.
@TCupUK Far from. it fits perfectly. Our immun system can evolve, as you yourself pointed out, an ability deeply based on the principles of hypermutation, and they dont even use horizontal gene transfer. Horizontal gene transfer isnt the only way of to transfer genes, and I would recommend you to read about the subject. As I said before; you have yet to put something on the table, of any value.
@Ko252 Funny you should bring up the immune system. Can you explain to me why we have retrovirus laying dormant in our DNA, for sometimes millions of years. To all of a sudden arise from the ashes as such like a phoenix. Ironically there is an experiment under this very name. They do not come back as new viruses, but a re-emergence of what they once where.
"The paper also hints at unknown ancient transmissions of viruses between hosts."
"A retrovirus in human DNA may be responsible for schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and multiple sclerosis. This retrovirus is only "set off" if the person carrying it is infected with influenza or toxoplasmosis either in the womb or very early in life, otherwise it remains dormant. The retrovirus is thought to have infected a primate ancestor of all humans and monkeys about 55-60 million years ago."
You telling me our common ancestor was schizophrenic?
@TCupUK Question you put about whales? You only said that the evolution of whales was debunked, without answer my question regarding this supposedly debunking. Regarding primordial soup? Didnt you even read the link from Nature I referred to?
Warming up? Ha! And the test is; 1) MDR bacterias, which are not all based on horizontal gene transfer. 2) development of our spesific part of immune system etc. Why didnt you try to answer any of qustion, for a bit?
@Ko252 I said a lot more than that, maybe you should take the time to re-read. You may then realise that I have answered all your questions, but I can not say the same for you.
1 = epic fail
2 = epic fail.
What about the other points, I take it you have not bothered to read those either.
"You telling me our common ancestor was schizophrenic?"
"EBLN-1 is 50 mil old and is intact :p"
"The paper also hints at unknown ancient transmissions of viruses between hosts."
THIS DOCUMENTARY IS BIASED
papinbala 4 months ago
Looks like the evolutionist are backed up in the corner and franticly trying to keep life in this dying idea. Lets talk cell biology rather than fossils :p.
TCupUK 5 months ago 4
@TCupUK Yes, let us. Since evolution is seen every single day in this field.
Ko252 5 months ago
@Ko252 How can a theory be seen everyday?
Do you not mean the diversity of species is abundantly evident!
Unless you can see natural selection? if so please enlighten the world with you ground breaking find.
TCupUK 5 months ago
@TCupUK Well, the theory of evolution is the name of the theory, but evolution is the process, and it is seen every single day. Ever heard about multidrugresistant bacterias? That is natural selection, and thereby evolution, in practice. Ground breaking finding? Pls. have been you been living under a rock for the last century?
Ko252 5 months ago
@Ko252 I think you will find that it is the theory of evolution by means of natural selection that is last century.
You can not see evolution no more than you can see gravity. MDR bacteria demonstrates an immune system, that is not natural selection. It is the same for humans we build up a tolerance thanks to are immune system's not evolution by natural selection. Why do so many atheists argue a theory that they themselves do not even understand. What exactly is this evolution that we see ? :p
TCupUK 5 months ago
@TCupUK No, it isnt, and I will go even further on call it a law. Wrong. You can see evolution directly, opposite to gravitation (for now). You can do DNA-sequencing. MDR bacterias dont demonstrate an immun system, but evolution. They undergo mutation, bypassing of genes within different species of bacterias, etc. to evolve. Some part of our immunsystem work as same, but not all. We can for instance not do a plasmid exchange. I am not an atheist, and I do understand this theory, comapred to you.
Ko252 5 months ago
@Ko252 A law, are you sure about that?
We can debunk them together if you really want to.
You can not see evolution, and there is a simple point to prove this. Show me one instance of life that has produced a species that is different to its parents. Just one! (And do not give that BS that evolution does not work like this, because this is my point why you can not see it. You see its effects, like gravity.
MDR. so what is it that makes this evolution and not an immune/tolerance?
TCupUK 5 months ago
Does this mean our immune system is evolution and not an immune system?
But horizontal gene transfer’s making evolution superfluous, and a victim to Occam’s razor.
Lets not mention all the problems HGT cause evolution, and this unlike evolution can be tested in the lab.
Google it you will learn something. You are correct that I do not understand the theory and that is because it is illogical knowing what we do now. Are you a theist?
TCupUK 5 months ago
@TCupUK Further on, I think you are mistaking a scientific theory, from what is called a hypothesis. Evolution is NOT a hypothesis. Andr regarding what evolution is? It is the ability of a self-replicating system to evolve and fit is evironment. Further on, this isnt something enclosed to carbon-made system alone.
Ko252 5 months ago
@Ko252 Shocking, there really is no need to add words to what I say, if I say theory that is because I mean theory. But with that said, bringing up Greek word when speaking about evolution does seem appropriate. Especially considering all the myths they supposed!
TCupUK 5 months ago
@TCupUK It is needed, especially since you seem to confuse the meaning of theory in science and theory in general. A theory in science, is the same as fact in general, so it is far stronger than you try relay. Greek work? Which one? And myth? Pls. educate yourself, because calling a scientific theory for a myth, is insulting your own intelligence.
Ko252 5 months ago
@Ko252 You can keep the semantics argument going if you like. I understand how it allows us to avoid the actual issues with Evolution. And I see you do not understand the origins behind the words you use, or there meanings. I suppose you just suppose you know! It will be much easier to insult me personally than discuss the scientific evidence. I understand this, and I hypothesis (suppose) this is why we are not discussing horizontal gene transfer. Debunking myths are always controversial.
TCupUK 5 months ago
@TCupUK Semantics? Far from. It is correction of your misuse of terms. You havnt put any issued regarding Evolution, but tend to call it a myth, etc. Where is your proof denying it correctness? Further on, you seem to have a lack of the proper understanding of this scientific theory. I both understand the origins, and the theory itself. Insult you? You are doing a proper job yourself. And further on, I was the one putting out horizontal gene transfer, not you. Debunking? Hehehe.
Ko252 5 months ago
@Ko252 Explain to me how horizontal gene transfer fits in to the theory of evolution. You know they swap DNA and genes without self replication, slight modifications or genetic inheritance. They clearly contradict the model of evolution. This evidence you put forward actually contradicts evolution as the bacteria clearly do not need a common ancestor, and can share DNA across species.
Any evidence you bring forward for evolution can be easily discredited, try me if you do not believe me.
TCupUK 5 months ago
@Ko252 Can you show me the proof we have of the purely theoretical concept of the primordial soup?
You know the idea about wale evolution has been debunked right? There is a pattern when it comes to evolution, it normal involves some so called transitional fossil that is later proven not to be a transitional fossil, fake or a pre conceived assumption. So what tests can I carry out to confirm evolution in the lab ? Is there one? You got a mathematical equation to predict evolutionary effects?
TCupUK 5 months ago
@TCupUK Your first phrase: Here is a study regarding abiogensis, which is quite interesting: Synthesis of activated pyrimidine ribonucleotides in prebiotically plausible conditions Matthew W. Powner, Beatrice Gerland & John D. Sutherland. Nature, Vol. 460, May 13, 2009.
Now regarding the rest; Wale evolution has been debunked: Where? Give me a reliable source. Pattern. Any reliable sources? Confirm evolution in a lab? You already do, with for instance bacterias. Further on, horizontal gene ...
Ko252 5 months ago
@Ko252 Simply, can you provide evidence of the primordial soup?. It is a simple request.
Basilosaurus drazindai was apparently found in Pakistan, but is only related by taxonomic means and this amongst taxonomicists can be highly debated.
"Basilosaurus is not believed to have been capable of sustained swimming or deep diving. It is also believed that the primitive whale was incapable of terrestrial locomotion."
So how the fuck did it get to Egypt and Pakistan?
TCupUK 5 months ago
@Ko252 Simply, can you provide evidence of the primordial soup?. It is a simple request.
Basilosaurus drazindai was apparently found in Pakistan, but is only related by taxonomic means and this amongst taxonomicists can be highly debated.
"Basilosaurus is not believed to have been capable of sustained swimming or deep diving. It is also believed that the primitive whale was incapable of terrestrial locomotion."
So how the fuck did it get to Egypt and Pakistan?
TCupUK 5 months ago
@TCupUK Forget to mention, You know Pakicetus was found in Pakistan and Basilosaurus was found in Louisiana, but I suppose geography is not an issue?
TCupUK 5 months ago
@Ko252 Basilosaurus fossil
"In 1894 Smithsonian curator Charles Schuchert went to Alabama and collected fossil bones in order to mount the first scientifically accurate specimen. The mount has been altered several times in response to new discoveries. It is still on display today in the National Museum of Natural History, the only real specimen currently exhibited in the world."
TCupUK 5 months ago
@Ko252 You can not win when the rules keep being changed to favour the evolutionist. Evolution itself has evolved evidently, and will continue to because if not it will go extinct.
How many times has so called transitional fossils later been debunked, and often as hand made. I ask because keeping count is hard with so many.
If you really want to we can go in to all the inconsistencies, but it would be easier if you bothered to do the research yourself.
What is this test that proves evolution?
TCupUK 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Horizontal gene transfer contradicts the evolutionary principle. It makes it superfluous. But like I said before, every time you show contradictory evidence the evolutionist simple evolves it into there theory. By means that reassemble HGT ironically.
TCupUK 5 months ago
@TCupUK Far from. it fits perfectly. Our immun system can evolve, as you yourself pointed out, an ability deeply based on the principles of hypermutation, and they dont even use horizontal gene transfer. Horizontal gene transfer isnt the only way of to transfer genes, and I would recommend you to read about the subject. As I said before; you have yet to put something on the table, of any value.
Ko252 5 months ago
@Ko252 Funny you should bring up the immune system. Can you explain to me why we have retrovirus laying dormant in our DNA, for sometimes millions of years. To all of a sudden arise from the ashes as such like a phoenix. Ironically there is an experiment under this very name. They do not come back as new viruses, but a re-emergence of what they once where.
"The paper also hints at unknown ancient transmissions of viruses between hosts."
Source = Nature.com
EBLN-1 is 50 mil old and is intact :p
TCupUK 5 months ago
"A retrovirus in human DNA may be responsible for schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and multiple sclerosis. This retrovirus is only "set off" if the person carrying it is infected with influenza or toxoplasmosis either in the womb or very early in life, otherwise it remains dormant. The retrovirus is thought to have infected a primate ancestor of all humans and monkeys about 55-60 million years ago."
You telling me our common ancestor was schizophrenic?
I am pretty sure humans where not around.
TCupUK 5 months ago
@TCupUK It does not matter what ERV do, they are used as markes. The markers and the code itself would not be the way it is unless evolution happens.
gregrutz 3 months ago
Are you really not going to answer any of the questions I put forward about whales, and primordial soup?
Damn I was only just warming up on the topic.
I still want to know what this test is that occurs everyday and proves evolution!
TCupUK 5 months ago
@TCupUK Question you put about whales? You only said that the evolution of whales was debunked, without answer my question regarding this supposedly debunking. Regarding primordial soup? Didnt you even read the link from Nature I referred to?
Warming up? Ha! And the test is; 1) MDR bacterias, which are not all based on horizontal gene transfer. 2) development of our spesific part of immune system etc. Why didnt you try to answer any of qustion, for a bit?
Ko252 5 months ago
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@Ko252 I said a lot more than that, maybe you should take the time to re-read. You may then realise that I have answered all your questions, but I can not say the same for you.
1 = epic fail
2 = epic fail.
What about the other points, I take it you have not bothered to read those either.
"You telling me our common ancestor was schizophrenic?"
"EBLN-1 is 50 mil old and is intact :p"
"The paper also hints at unknown ancient transmissions of viruses between hosts."
I could go on.
TCupUK 5 months ago
@TCupUK (conti)...isnt a trait you find in all bacterias, but in some.
Ko252 5 months ago
@TCupUK Can't explain those pesky fossils, can you? That is one of the things the theory explains.
And one of the things that prove creationism wrong.
gregrutz 3 months ago
The ignorance about the definition of a "scientific theory" makes my nose bleed.
Honestly, if you dont know what you're talking about, keep your mouth shut and save all the sensible people a headache.
faithisfiction 1 year ago 2
Evolutiion hada a real contibuition to Comnnitist and Fashist and Lies
drshamast 1 year ago
hell no all is a big fath lie of the devil you
cenzodom 1 year ago
<--- lives in Kansas
great series Sqirril.
CiphersSon 2 years ago