Muhammad Ali vs Henry COOPER 1 & 2 TKO knock out cuts sweetfights.com

[CaptnElmo66]

Ali always has been vulnerable to the left hook. Look at Frazier... Tyson - Ali ? Thats been another story...

[FIGHTFANNERD3]

@CaptnElmo66 idiot anyone is vulnerable to a laft hook



[Davidsondaini]

That man was going down anyway, Ali had him set up, and there was no way out. He was going to continue barrages of blows that would have sent to dream lands. He tried, but he was obviously no match for Ali, he would have been utterly blown out. All these people commenting here, just because of the lucky punch he landed in the first fight could perhaps see the outclassing Ali showed him in the second. He looked helpless at the end. That's how it was when Ali wanted to conclude or end a fight.

[worlee60]

theres no doubting Ali's worlsd best status but he was beaten by cooper fair an square ...I think that if ali was asked about it now ,he'd admit it too ..hes an honourable man imo ..

[worlee60]

gus made sure ali wasn't gonna lose ..CUT GLOVE MY LILY WHITE ASS

[hooktadabody]

thank you sweetfights.

you rock.

[RandomLevitation]

"The handsome face of that america negro, barely marked"

Awkward. Haha

[RandomLevitation]

Cooper definitely had a good left hook, nice and sharp and right up to the ear, but Ali man...he was just too fast.

[yanishmakaro]

whats known in the fight game as you woz robbed enery.And i love Ali.

[KoochyWoochy]

DONT CARE what anyone says. It was a great fight and RESPECT to Hendry for putting up a good fight. Two decent guys.

[nobaccos]

ali would still have beat him. coopers eye was allways a hindence to his career. coopers cool still thow,good fight.peace.

[bertelliish]

THE BRITISH SHOULD BE CALLED THE NEARLY PEOPLE. BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS HAVE A COMPLAINT IF THEY GET ASS RAPED LOL LOL

[lloydymk]

@bertelliish ur a fuckin clown typical youtube idiot

[bertelliish]

@lloydymk you a nearly clown typical lol

[breastmilkgaysexs]

I'm finding a lot of haters on here, and generally the overall theme I hear is "shoulda woulda coulda". If Henry was better, he had two chances to prove it.

[dean24uk]

cooper, true brummie lad.. legend

[RAGE666ification]

Look..cut the crap cooper was beating Ali without a doubt his corner then CUT his glove after Ali got knocked down this giving him time to recover..then as they say the rest is history

[Victory1985k]

@RAGE666ification

wow Ali got 6 extra seconds. Unless video has been edited. Even BBC ran a story exposing myth of extra time.

[RAGE666ification]

@Victory1985k Watch the documentary. 6 seconds may not seem alot but even ALI's trainer at the time said to a professional sports man thats a long time. And if it was not for that time he would of properly got knocked down again.

[klinepatsy]

@melvinkowznowsky.... so what you're saying is that you take the word of the beaten fighter and the winning fighter's cornerman over visual evidence that says the extra time was 6 seconds? This five minute bollocks was a fairy tale invented by Cooper because he got destroyed in round 5. If there was five minutes added time, do you think the British commentators would have been quiet about it?

[mrcjrowe]

@klinepatsy Good point. Ali only had 5 seconds longer, which is 1 minute and 5 seconds rest after the knock down.

[JDavid1203792]

pity Clay got into man made religion and became aka ali idiot world over, for if he didnt get into that man made bs, he really could have been the greatest of all time, not just the greats bs ing artist of all time

[Victory1985k]

@JDavid1203792

lol, who are you?

[klinepatsy]

@ah93704.... just speculation.... Cooper was being beaten up until the knockdown and he got his head taken off in round 5.... not sure that 6 seconds would've mattered at all. No one ever put Ali to sleep, even after knockdowns, and he took on far heavier hitters than Cooper and survived. The fact that Cooper embellished the 'extra time' to make it into an epic 3 minute interval, pretty much tells its own story.

[klinepatsy]

So much for the torn glove nonsense...it was barely an extra six seconds...yet somehow Cooper and even Dundee (which is the greater mystery) have conspired to create this crap about the ref going down to the dressing room to get another glove. I can understand why Cooper made that fairy tale but why does Dundee always confirm it when it clearly shows here that there was no delay. If there had been, don't you think the commentators would have been spitting feathers about it? They said zilch.

[ah93704]

@klinepatsy You'd be surprised how much six seconds can matter! I dont think Cooper would have knocked him out anyway but if it had been a minute earlier in the round, Cooper may well have finished him!

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 No way! Cassius would have got up in all probability & ran like the dickens,& covered up,& tied up,& wrestled & whatever else it took to keep Cooper from following up against him.It's Ali's history,his instincts,his training;he's always done it when he was down or in trouble; no need to invent out of character scenarios here just cause Cooper smashed his ass with that atom bomb.We've seen how Ali responds to this stuff. Frazier did it at the beginning of a round & couldn't finish him.

[ah93704]

@MrPerryrice Ok, good point BUT consider this. Ali went down a lot easier before his exile. He was smaller and a lot of second rate fighters put him down. I submit to you that the extra size helped him take shots better. Frazier would have hurt Ali a lot more before his exile. Gosh, its too bad they couldnt hae fought then. I think a lot of people would be surprised by the outcome!

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 No Sir, Frazier would not have hurt Ali more, he would have hurt him a lot less cause Alis legs would have got him out of danger better. And Ali would have banged Frazier more. And it wasn't a lot, it was just 2 that put Ali down. And you are right, damn shame we missed a 69 battle between them.

[ah93704]

@MrPerryrice George Chuvalo was not as good as Frazier and Chuvalo got to Ali a lot in his alleged "prime". Ali was pissing blood dude. No way he gets in there with Frazier and wins easily. Frazier would cut off the ring and belt him with that left hook.

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 Ali was toying with Chavalo, letting him bang his body all night just to prove he could take it; you saw the fight, you saw Ali doing it. Frazier was better; Ali would not have given Frazier such opportunities; it would not have been easy, but it would have been easier than the superfight in 71 and the thrilla in 75, but it would have resembled the second Frazier fight where Frazier chased him all night, eating leather but unable to land any terrible blows at all. Ali wins unanimously.

[macvatu]

@MrPerryrice...Thanks for your response. Many well informed opinions on the completed rounds definitely had the Englishman ahead on points, this is not to say Clay(Ali) was completely being annihilated, far from it. It was just the way points are awarded with punches landing correctly on the target area, or punches avoided, aggression and persistence. Their styles were direct opposites. We liked Ali's sheer unorthodoxies, he did just about all the "wrong" moves, yet came out the winner.

[MrPerryrice]

@macvatu You're welcome.You say many well informed opinions definitely had Cooper ahead on points in the completed rounds? Who are the well informed sources of these opinions? Where did you hear/see these opinions stated? I ask b-cuz I've watched these fights all my life from different sources with different commentaters,& none said that Clay/Ali was behind on points when either fight ended; I see with my own eyes Cooper in the first fight winning 1 or 2 rounds, and winning none the 2nd fight

[DwiteTheSpriteKnight]

They both move like light heavyweights

[RaulGroom]

Once again I find a gorgeous Sweetfights video marred by off-topic blathering. Instead of becoming a part of the problem let me say great job to Tommy Little handling Dundee's ruse - he disposes of the famous "Torn Glove" ploy deftly, and the fight continues as normal with a delay of only six or seven seconds. Nice work handling an attempt by a savvy trainer to gain a big advantage for his fighter.

RIP Henry, too bad your cheekbones were shaped like knives or you might have been champ.

[DwiteTheSpriteKnight]

@RaulGroom it's easy enough to ignore our blathering and just watch the video I think (-:

[macvatu]

I appreciate these two fights as they show Cooper at his very best, cuts apart, he gave more than he got in the completed rounds. The fight was fast and furious like two Middleweights, and Henry's hooks off the jabs were always dangerous and Clay did well to avoid them after he was decked in their first fight. David Haye has just lost in Hamburg, and the standard of the fight was nowhere near the Cooper/Ali fights, sad to say !!

[MrPerryrice]

@macvatu I've just watched this video twice more just to be sure; and sure enough, let me say you need an eye examination if you think Cooper won a single round in the second fight. My God, Cooper never hit him solidly in the whole fight! Then he just got busted up again. Yet you say Cooper gave more than he got in the completed rounds? In either fight? I focused on Cooper's blows and he did much better in the first fight but was still being outpointed before the stoppage. Ali owned him, period.

[ThePmfan]

@MrPerryrice The first fight was a competitive fight. Ali was way too loose with his defense in this first fight and Cooper landed a bunch of hard punches. A lot of those rounds were close. The second fight was not close. Ali was a better fighter by then and fought a better fight. If Cooper could land like that in the first fight, the Ali of this first fight would have lost to a 1969 version of Joe Frazier. But Ali improved after and was peaking when he had the enforced three year layoff.

[MrPerryrice]

@ThePmfan I agree with your first 2 points: the1st cooper fight was a competitive bout, and the 2nd one was not; and you may even be right that the 1st cooper fight Ali was not ready for a 69 version of Frazier. But I will raise this arguement: that he 66 Ali that fought Williams probably, and a 69 Ali had he not been interrupted by the exile, most certainly would have defeated a 69 Frazier or the 71 Frazier.

[ThePmfan]

@MrPerryrice I agree with your last point completely. It's too bad we didn't get to see the peak Ali. We have to extrapolate.

[ah93704]

@ThePmfan BULLSHIT! Frazier beat a prime Ali so get over it!

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 Why look at Ali's age when he fought Frazier & say he's Prime Ali? Even below you describe 2 different Alis by commenting correctly that 71 Ali "wasn't as fast as before", so doesn't it stand to reason that the faster one was prime? & that Frazier wouldn't have been able to hit the faster Ali as often as he hit the slower one? & not as hard? & the faster Ali would have hit Frazier more often then the slower Ali did? & lasted longer? Fast & Slow Ali are not equal;fast Ali = PRIME ALI

[ah93704]

@MrPerryrice sure, he wasnt as fast but he wasnt that much slower. He gained 10 pounds. Even if he had continued fighting he would have most likely gained that weight. Ali's punch resistance improved, his power improved, and so did his defense (but not by much). Frazier beat Ali and they were both in their best years. they were both in their 20's and both undefeated and Frazier kicked his ass! why cant you accept that fact?

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 Fast Ali had the best defense, his legs carried him out of danger quicker, and in to punch quicker, and a millisecond makes all the difference if somebody like Frazier is throwing that big ass hook at you. Frazier would have hit less and got hit more by fast Ali, and probably would not have dropped him. And the youngster would not have gassed out. The old Ali's timing and reflexes were off, missed more punches, got hit more, had less endurance and was clearly inferior to the younger.

[ah93704]

@MrPerryrice Young Ali got beaten badly to the body by George Chuvalo. After the fight Ali was pissing pure blood. Joe Frazier was a better fighter than George Chuvalo and I maintain that if Chuvalo could do that to Ali Frazier would have done worse. Ali wasnt as big and durable as he became post exile. Even though he was fast he was relatively easy to hit. He got dropped by much inferior competition before his exile. If one could make it happen I'd bet you that oldder Ali beats the younger

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 Yeah Joe was better, which is the reason Ali wouldn't even have fought Joe the same as he did Chavalo; Ali let him do it, just toyed with him cause he had little respect for him. Now Joe would not have been fought that way. Easy to hit? Ali easy to hit. Hey, you are scraping the bottom of the barrel with that one. I've never heard that before. LOL Chavalo and Cooper proved fast Ali's durability. You act like young ali was a marshmellow. My God. He could take his licks.

[ah93704]

@MrPerryrice And Ali toyed with Frazier too, or atleast he tried to. Your logic is off here dude. Ali clowned with Chuvalo and with Frazier. Chuvalo did serious damage to his kidneys and Frazier did worse by dropping him and winning a clear decision. So, to say that Ali wouldnt have clowned around with Frazier is illogical. He would have, and Frazier would have given him hell.

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 Dude, with Frazier Ali didn't stand there and let Joe bang him in the body as he did with Chavalo; Ali explained that when he played with Frazier it was for the simple reason, he was gassed, couldn't punch, and was trying to psyche Joe out for rest. With Chavalo, he did not need rest, he was just toying with him to prove he could take his body attack. You can best believe he would not Toy with Joe in the 60s when he didnt need rest cause he could run or punch all night.

[ah93704]

@MrPerryrice Plus, Ali had men go to Liston in their second fight to tell him not to win. Listion was afraid of the black Muslims and he took a dive. I doubt you agree with that but the fact is Ali wasnt quite as good as people made him out to be. Yes, he was very good but he is totally overrated!

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 I don't know any of that; you neither.Ali was as surprised by the dive as anybody else. I believe Liston could have gotten up,&maybe even didn't have to go down,but all we can do is speculate cause maybe the Mob ordered it, & they could have protected him from the Muslims; I've heard that, as well as the Muslim theory, and other ones too, but I believe he saw he couldn't catch Ali and decided 'damn this' to avoid a beating, much like Duran/Sugar 2 & Spinks/Tyson.

[ah93704]

@MrPerryrice Ali claimed he hurt his groin because he knew Liston was in great shape. He's lucky they didnt fight at that time cause Listion would have killed him. Face it dude, Ali was overrated. JOe Frazier beat his ass. Sure, Ali was a great champion and a top 5 all time great but he wasnt the greatest of all time. Joe Louis, Rocky Marciaon, and Jack Dempsey all would have defeated him possibly. He's not the unbeatable fighter people make him out to be!

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 Ali had a hernia operation, it's well documented. He didn't have to fake it. Plus as you said elsewhere, its Listons own fault if he can't come to the fight in shape everytime. Also it dosen't matter what shape Liston was in, cause according to you the Muslims scared him into a dive anyway. Ali would have eaten those guys for breakfast. Ali is by consesus of the public and boxing authorities alike, the greatest heavyweight of all time. There's a reason for this, he earned it.

[ah93704]

@MrPerryrice it is Sonnys fault. you are correct. I think Joe Louis was the greater champion. But I have Ali a close second then Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis, then Jack Johnson.!

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 Really? I thought you'd have Ali 20th or something,lol. Damn, I like your picks! Except I would put Joe behind all those you just named if all of them are on their best days. I pick Ali, Holmes, Lennox, Evander, George Foreman as my top 5

[ah93704]

@MrPerryrice Why are you so obsessed with a fighter being peaked and not peaketed, ready and not ready? It is a fighters business to come to a fight prepared and in shape. If he is not, it is his fault. Joe Frazier defeated Ali the first fight because stylistically Frazier was meant to give fighters like Ali problems. Ali had average defensive skills and was prone to left hooks, jabs, and right hands. So, stop blaming it on not being a top Ali becasue that is just bullshit.

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 Why? Because a fighter, as with anything else, grows then Peaks when they reach their optimum level of performance; then they decline, and start operating at less than their best level. It happens, to deny that it does is simply denying a reality of life, period, not just in boxing. If you don't want to face reality, that's on you. Only thing average about Ali was his lack of punching power. If you see no difference between an old (70s Ali) and a young (60s Ali) that's your fault.

[ah93704]

@MrPerryrice when Ali fought Frazier he was 28. Thats hardly an old man. Plus, he got a 3 year rest. I agree with you that he wasnt as fast as before but he made up for that with other assets. He gained about 10-15 pounds (mostly muscle) which enabled him to take punches better. It also improved his punching power. His ko ratio went up when he came back. I think Frazier just gave him problems because he had a swarming style and a great left hook. It wouldnt have mattered when they fought

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 Ali was 29 in 71; 3+ years of forced exile not practicing your skills is not a rest,or any kind of benefit, it's a detriment,you get rusty,uncoordinated,timing off, reflexes slow, stamina decreases, progress stops & begins to reverse, & rushing into the ring with Frazier after just 2 sorry tuneups with the likes of Quarry &Bonevena won't have you back in form, so this Ali was old compared to the 60s Ali, & it caused the loss; when matters,or Frazier would have beat him in 74 & 75 too.

[ah93704]

@MrPerryrice All you can say is that he got slower over time. Thast a normal thing when you consider that he put on about 10 pounds. He would have gained weight whether he was off or not. Had he still been fighitng he would have taken a lot of punishment and wouldnt have lasted as long as he did in the ring. Anyway, Muhammad wasn't any better before his exile than before. He was just facing better opponents when he fought Frazier. Simple as that!

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 A fighter slower at 28? No dude, that's far too young to get slower, that's a fighters prime years, so something else happened - like not fighting for 3 1/2 years. No; had he kept fighting through the late 60s he would have never gotten rusty, he would have never gotten slower, & as is the norm with every other fighter he too would have just gotten bigger and better, not slower; he was deprived of that. Fraziers no better than Liston or his pupil Foreman; Ali beat them all. Overated LOL

[ah93704]

@MrPerryrice if you gain 10 pounds of muscle it can slow you down. Look, if you are gonna say his lay off made him slow than you are contradicting yourself. He could have gotten in top form if he wanted to. If he wasnt, its his fault. I dont think he was in subpar form. I think its just an excuse people make. Frazier beat a prime Ali.

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 Nope, look at the different weight of Cassius Clay, the skinny kid that beat liston; then compare him to the muscled up version that was lightning against Cleveland Williams, there was no slowing down with that weight gain! Though it might vary with different fighters, as a rule, if you muscle up as you are developing, without year long interruptions or breaks in your practice or training regimen, you don't lose speed, you just gain power, which makes you better.

[ah93704]

@MrPerryrice he weighed 213 when he fought Cleveland Williams and that was his second highest weight up till that point! He weighed 214 when he fought Joe Frazier. Later on, he got up closer to 220 as he got older. When he fought Frazier he was still 28, and at the peak of his powers physically. Joe Frazier defeated an in shape, young, prime Muhammmad Ali. GIVE THE MAN HIS CREDIT!

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 Ali was 29;& flatfooted slugging it out with an awesome slugger,prime Ali? No,that's not prime Ali; Prime Ali was the dancer,fighting long distance,out of range,pouncing in to strike,then pouncing back out before the counter came, that's prime Ali, not the winded,rusty 71 Ali with just 2 tune up fights after 3+years layoff. In 74, WITHOUT THE LAYOFF, a still sub prime Ali outpointed Frazier by dancing, he'd have done it in 71 too. Then later he ouslugged him in Manilla without a layoff.

[s1ghandnod]

@ah93704 that wasnt Ali in his prime. he was just off a 3 yr layoff. are you crazy?

[ah93704]

@ThePmfan Cooper had slipped a lot between the fights. It was not a prime Cooper. See how stupid saying that is? Anybody can say they werent at their best when they lose. Its all bullshit!

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 Yeah, that sounds stupid only because Cooper got his ass whipped both times, before & after. But, have Cooper whip Ali's ass the first fight, get stripped of his title, be exiled from the ring for 3 1/2 years, come back slower in two sorry ass tune up fights looking horrible, then jump in the ring and get gassed out and beat up, then yeah, it wouldn't sound so stupid then. We'd all be right to say it wasn't a prime Cooper. Dude, why R you so hell bent on blasting Ali? It's gotten funny.

[ah93704]

@MrPerryrice you only look at the layoff as a bad thing. A layoff can be a good thing for a professional fighter. He wasnt taking any punishment at the time. He still remained active, sure he gained some weight but he still sparred and trained at times. I think Joe Frazier would have had an easier time with the Ali before, mainly because he was lighter and went down from punches a lot weaker than what Frazier threw. I mean, if a185 pound Cooper can put him down imagine what a 205 pound Frazier

[MrPerryrice]

@ah93704 Yeah, a layoff can be a good thing, but not a 3 and a half year exile, when Ali did everything but train. The man had to do a thousand other things to make a living, he was facing prison, death threats, starvation, and never thought he would be allowed to fight again, so he eskewed it and took to the college campuses and other places lecturing to make money. By the time they met again cooper couldn't hook Ali down again, neither would Frazier be able to at that point in Alis career.

[ah93704]

@ThePmfan Ali was always loose with his defense. That is why he always got hit!

[elnick1000]

I only do feel however, that the claim that Ali got a long rest between rounds 4 and 5 of their first fight, is somewhat put to rest here. Though the smelling salts I believe were illegal. Perhaps if the ref had been more agttentive, he would have dq'd Clay.

[elnick1000]

Cooper said in an interview that he felt he was equal to Ali. Watching their two fights I can understand why. It it possible to believe that even in their second fight, Cooper might have been ahead. Possibly Ali realized, that he would eventually win all these fights, because of Coopers tendency to cut, so theirfore, maybe he fought Cooper differently than he would have someone else. As I write this, tommorow Klitschko-Haye in Germany. Haye is weighting what Ali about weighed. would Wlad bt Ali?

[DaveSustaine]

@elnick1000 Ali would fuck Klitschko up, he's a boring fighter and he has nothing on any of the great champions of the heavyweight division. There hasn't been a decent heavyweight champion since Tyson, and that includes Lennox Lewis who only beat Tyson long after his prime.

[farrell360]

@DaveSustaine You don't think Lewis was a decent heavyweight? he beat better fighters than Tyson and is generally ranked higher?

[DaveSustaine]

@farrell360 Well nahh he was a great boxer, but personally I don't think he had anything on Tyson. Fair enough he united the belts, but there wasn't a lot of great boxers around at the time for him to fight. He was a champion in an age of boxing where there wasn't many real champions. Who did he beat that was better than Tyson? I would challenge that.

[farrell360]

@DaveSustaine well he beat the same version of Holyfield that beat Tyson, he beat Tua, Briggs, Bruno, Ruddock, Tucker, Morrison, Mercer, Golota, Grant and Klitschko. Who did Tyson ever beat that was as good as any of those? Apart from a 38 year old Holmes who hadn't fought in 2 years.

[rickman125]

@DaveSustaine How can you watch this video and then say that Ali would fuck Klitschko up. First Ali weighed around 210 in this fight and Cooper weighed about the same. Second Ali ate a lot of punches from Cooper who did not punch as hard as the Klitschkos and Cooper managed to put Ali on his ass. The brothers have the height and size to beat Ali during any phase of his career.

[DwiteTheSpriteKnight]

@rickman125 As you can see Cooper is not very much like Klitscho, he's smaller, faster and throws more punches. By the time Ali fought Cooper the second time he was a better fighter. He was a bit green the first time. Ali's chin improved as he matured. Look at what Ali did to George Foreman, when Ali was over the hill and Foreman at the peak of his powers. He knew how to beat good fighters much bigger than himself.

[DwiteTheSpriteKnight]

@rickman125 These days this would be a cruiser weight bout or close to it. Ali wasn't a true heavyweight by today's standards until later on so why compare his early career to that of modern heavyweights unless you want to compare him to David Haye or Evander Holyfield

[rickman125]

@DwiteTheSpriteKnight You are right Dwite that the heavyweights back then were more like cruisers today. That's why I laugh when people make the claims how the past greats can beat todays current champs. As the saying goes a good big man will always(most the time) beat a great little man. Getting back to Ali he had a great jaw but he always ate a lot of punches that is why the poor guy is in the condition he is in right now.

[DwiteTheSpriteKnight]

@rickman125 Late in his career Ali certainly got hit a lot but before the long lay off due to losing his boxing licence I think he usually did a good job of hitting without getting hit. If Ali had, had to fight the fighters of today I think he would have done more weight lifting in the gym to prepare for it, much like Roy Jones had to before he fought against Ruiz.

[rickman125]

@DwiteTheSpriteKnight Too bad Jones did not retire after his win against Ruiz. It is sad to see him still fighting now. It is hard to make a fair comparison of todays athletes vs the ones from the past. Everything from diet to training has changed so much. Look at Babe Ruth I'm sure his diet was mostly beer and hot dogs. IMO the past champ that I think could give the Klit Bros a good fight is Jack Johnson. He was big, tough, and in excellent condition to go way beyond 15 rounds.

[MrPerryrice]

@rickman125 Even if that saying is true, which it isn't, hasn't Ali's record agains men bigger than him proved he's an exception? In the 60s and 70s combined Ali lost 3 times (80s Ali don't count) all to men SMALLER than he was (Frazier, Norton, & Sphinks) yet never to anyone bigger than him. Ali ate big men for breakfast. Also Ali did not "always" eat a lot of punches, the 60s Ali didn't; & his doctors said his disease was gonna happen by now because he had it, fighting made it happen sooner.

[rickman125]

@MrPerryrice It's all hypothetical to begin with.The big men he defeated were no where near the size or skill level of Wlad of Vitali. Foreman was good but sloopy and fell for the rope a dope and punched himself out. The other big guys that Ali beat like Shavers, Lyle, and Wepners are not in the same league as the brothers. Just my opinion plus in boxing all it takes is one punch.

[MrPerryrice]

@rickman125 Perhaps the 2 brothers are better than the big men Ali beat, but that still doesn't mean Ali would'nt figure them out and beat them too, on points, or cuts or a knockout. What is unimaginable is either brother being able to catch and hit the 1966 Ali enough to outpoint him or knock him out; but 66 Ali would be able to hit them enough to win, cut them, and possibly knock them out. Whose to say they too would not fall for the rope-a-dope seeing Ali an inviting target on the ropes?

[rickman125]

@MrPerryrice I think the better fight would be Ali vs the up and coming Mike Tyson, the one who fought Spinks. IMO Ali woud win this one. If Liston couldn't scare Ali, I don't think Tyson would either.

[MrPerryrice]

@rickman125 Hell yeah! Now that's the one I'd like to see. I agree, Ali of 66 would be nowhere for Mike to beat up on. He would charge straight in and Ali would disappear on him til Mike was crazy, exhausted, frustrated and ripe for Ali to move in and combinate on in the end.

[rickman125]

@MrPerryrice I don't know what I liked most about Tyson. His boxing career, or his over the top sometimes very offensive interviews. IMO one of the best interviews was not with Mike but with someone associated with him after his famous ear bitting incident with Evander. The interviewer asked this clown if he saw Mike bite Evander the guy answered ; "The only thing I saw was Evander jumping around in the ring like a bitch". Classic. One thing about Ali I loved his interviews.

[MrPerryrice]

@rickman125 Typical of all variety of Tyson psycophants to see no evil, wrong or error in Tyson, the poor, poor victim of wrong. Yeah, Ali was the best interview.

[DaveSustaine]

@rickman125 If you think that just because the klitschko brothers are big they can out box the most universally recognised talent boxing has ever known, despite their vastly inferior speed, stamina or reflexes, you are a complete moron.

[rickman125]

@DaveSustaine Wow you are calling me a moron when you claim that Tyson was the last decent heavyweight champion we have had. With opinions like that you have no right to judge someones intellect.

[Jamietheboi91]

RIP Henry you were top boy!

[yaiqab]

Do you have the Cassius Clay vs. Charlie Powell fight? I've never seen it anywhere.

[GreatkingAlexander]

the toughest challenger ali vs in the 19602 but their second tittle fight in may of 1966 was better then this one but it ended the same way this first tough fight ended