Reaction: Senate passes healthcare reform bill

[frednoname1]

I expect that the dems will continue to ignore the vast majority of the people and shove more pork into the final bill and pass it without even bothering to figure out if it has merit or not.

And the dems will pay in the elections in 2010

[megarational]

How about the GOP that ignored the majority of Americans that supported the public option?

[frednoname1]

@megarational

That never happened, the majority never supported the public option. That is another liberal lie.

[megarational]

Poll results on the public option: CBS/ N.Y. Times. Dec. 4-8 Favor 46% Oppose 45%; Bloomberg Dec. 3-7 Favor 53% Oppose 46 %; CNN/Opinion Res. Corp.Dec. 2-3 Favor 53% Oppose 46%; USA Today/Gallup Nov. 20-22 Favor 52% oppose 36%

CBS News favor 61% oppose 28%; FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Nov. 17-18 favor 61% oppose 28%: ABC News/Wash. ABC

Post Nov. 12-15 Support 53% Oppose 43%.

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Nov. 12-15 Support 53% Oppose 43%

[megarational]

Example poll question: News/Washington Post Poll. Nov. 12-15, 2009

"Would you support or oppose having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans?"

[megarational]

Regardless of the Media reporting them, those major polls gain their credibility from use of the accepted statistically based poll protocols.

[megarational]

Surveys are nationwide. Anyone who lives in the continental United States, has a home telephone, and is at least 18 years of age is a potential respondent. Poll recipients are selected through Random Digit Dialing, (RDD). Essentially a computer randomly generates lists of working area codes (the first 3 no.s) & then makes up the last 4 digits, in order to allow unlisted numbers to be included along with listed ones.

[megarational]

Now, frednomame1, care to support your claim that the majority of Americans did not support the public option?

[frednoname1]

@megarational

You do read polls right? And not just your hand picked ones.

[megarational]

Why are you ducking your chance to support your claim that the majority of Americans don't support the public option.

Stop tap dancing and ducking & weaving & support your claim if you can.

[frednoname1]

@megarational

I didn't

google, use it.

[megarational]

i did, & posted the poll results found on google.

Like I said, quit tap dancing & support your claim if you can.

[frednoname1]

@megarational

Sigh, if you can't be bothered to check it out for yourself then i understand why you think the way you do.

[megarational]

You want some music with your tap dance?

[luvs2teach00]

It might be better if the final bill had a public option in. If it did, support for it would go up, but it wouldn't pass in the Senate. I wish that it would be simple majority vote in the Senate like it is in the House.

[FaintAura]

I speak for everyone in America except for Washington's elites.

[FaintAura]

We're fucked.

[kyleharper16]

I agree. It makes me absolutely sick

[BlameRepublicans]

then it's your good luck you can seek help for your sickness and you won't have to go bankrupt to so it.

[TheFuckHead]

Yes, we are all fucked by the fuckhead-in-chief,

[xiola6969]

The Tenth Amendment restates the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states by the constitution of the United States are reserved to the states or the people.

[xiola6969]

Simply put it better have a opt out option or the federal government has overstep its powers stated in the constitution, the federal government has no power to mandate states or its people buy a product from a private company. Expect a civil war, I will kill before I pay red cent too these crooks.

[xiola6969]

2014 the mandate goes into effect you buy a certain typte of healthcare or they fine you again completely against what the 10th amendment was designed to protect us from. The federal government is no longer following the constitution of the united states of America and needs to be removed by vote or revolt. I will not be forced to buy a type of healthcare or pay fines if I dont comply with a competely unconsisutional bill and if you try to force me I will kill you.

[mjobanion7]

Another thing, why the hell would I want to spend 8+ years in school and ojt not to make a lot of money. i'm going to school for engineering, not because I enjoy calculus, or physics, but because there is a lot of money to be made. As far as other countries health care being superior, what makes them superior, low cost, free. A lot of americas problem is that we are a bunch of fat asses. The fattest in the world. Obesity leads to all kinds of problems. Obesity in america 32%, Japan 3%

[oilhammer04]

Now, maybe the Democrats will get a case of jealousy when they think of how some states like Nebraska are making out like bandits while others go begging. Let the fights begin. If I bribed a senator I would go to jail. If Reid bribes a senator, it is negotiation. Impeach these crooks, and send them to prison!

[BlameRepublicans]

If only you fuck heads would hold yourselves up to the same standard you hold the Democrats we could have kept the Clinton boom going.

[mjobanion7]

America has a system that has worked for a long time. First you go to school, make good grades and get scholarships. After that go to collage, graduate, make enough money to pay for health insurance, and for the kids you want to have. Limit the amount of kids to a number u can afford. Its really pretty simple. There are all kinds of grants that will pay for collage, or u can join the military. Stop using tax money to pay for kids you can't afford, and use the taxes to pay for more education.

[BlameRepublicans]

One thing we didn't have back then were empty headed working class right wing apologists endlessly whining like a pack of useless cocksuckers. Lets work toward reaching that state again. OK?

[jandnay]

look people you may or may not have seen any of my comments i leave alot , im not a crazy im just very concerned human being who loves the ideas america was built upon and i just want to maybe help some see the bigger picture and maybe start using that brain power we all have i see the true world in which we live and the direction in which it is headed and it is scary to say the least i care for humanity and it troubles me much to see the needless suffering and pain in the world iflicted by evil

[mjobanion7]

If you want to see government health care in action go check out a VA hospital, and check out some of the horror stories the vets have. IT SUCKS

[BlameRepublicans]

I am a Veteran. I had my knees rebuilt in Phoenix at the VA there. I found them to be pretty good. I know 50 million Americans who would like to have access. Canada's system is far superior to ours and it's socialized. In fact all 36 nations who have better health care systems in place are ALL SOCIALIZED. Why is this? No useless capitalist getting rich off of the care.

[mjobanion7]

Yes but how many medical breakthroughs came from those other countries? Also whats wrong with getting rich, I'm sure they worked hard to get themselves into there position. Its easy to be poor, just sit around, complain about how others have it better than you, then vote for the guy that promises more handouts. Its sad but most Americans are happy just living of the system and never seeking improvement for themselves or their kids,

[BlameRepublicans]

There's nothing wrong with wealth in the hands of the few so long as the people who actually generate the wealth - the working class - get what they NEED FIRST. It takes a village to make a billionaire. If they dont want to pay first class ticket prices they should move to the back of the plane. Its really just that simple.

[kyleharper16]

Haha buddy you have no idea what you are talking about. I pity your ignorance. In socialized medicine there are only a certain number of procedures done each quarter. If you're that one extra you are screwed.

Also, emergency rooms will be far more crowded than now.

Most importantly, the quality of our physicians will go down!! I for one dont want some guy who barely made it through med school working on me!

Who's superior? England and France warned us not to socialize!!

[BlameRepublicans]

I lived in the US my entire life except for a decade in BC, Canada. I have some insight on this topic. According to the WHO Canadians doctors routinely perform better than US doctors. Its not that the American docs are inferior, its because they have to deal with profit hungry HMOs whose priority is profit NOT care.

[bdkage]

This comment thread just shows how close minded and narrow minded the leftists are... They have no idea how much this will cost, on so many levels.

[GOP08DOA]

Ha. Ha. Republicans. Millions of uninsured Americans having access to affordable health care in the near future just kills you doesn't it??? The only ones screwed here are the teabaggers, Palin lovers, & Limbaugh swallowers. Millions more Americans feel that is it's high time we got around to health care reform. Republicans will be remembered as whiney, idealess, obstructionist morons when it's all said and done. Republicans should be pretty much be used to the word: DEFEAT by now.

[BlameRepublicans]

LOL! If were piss money away on the health care of children in America - we won't have enough money left to murder Muslims. Then we'll have to "punish" the rich by asking them to pay their fair share of taxes. It will be horrible!!!

[GOP08DOA]

The health care reform losers here are beyond a doubt the whack job republicans who scream "we're screwed" yet they sat on their thumbs while the previous administration waged a bottomless money hole, sham of war that cost America bazillions in blood and treasure. They are truly idiotic.

[mjobanion7]

Republicans pushed to end slavery, and forced civil rights, even though Dems where against it. The dems get votes buy promising more benefits to all the people who don't pay taxes, and live off welfare. I think we should go back to the way it used to be. You can't vote unless you pay taxes. America is growing weak because of all the free handouts, . I don't buy on credit, if I can't afford it I save until I can. Quit buying flat screens and rims, pay for your own damn health care.

[mjobanion7]

No, Christianity in America is dead in American, we cater to every other religion now.

[BlameRepublicans]

LOL! Yes we all know how the poor Christians are so under-represented in the US. Jesus suffered less hanging on the cross when compared to Christians in the USA.

[mjobanion7]

Hey I;m just stating the facts, I really don't care for religion, I think its just a way for people to sleep good at night, and gain support for wars. I personally did go to Iraq, and did my part in securing oil for Americas future, and I have no problem with that. In fact its paying for my collage education, and I sleep well I night knowing that shedding a little blood, helped me rise out of poverty, beats selling drugs and going to prison

[bdkage]

You got that right!

[jmjfanss]

It just doesn't matter, we're screwed.

[BlameRepublicans]

Yes - Of all the horrible fates we could suffer like famine, unending warfare, epidemic levels of disease, etc...Obama picked the worst thing possible; affordable health care for all Americans. Doesnt Obama realize the money were wasting on taking care of sick children could be used to murder innocent Muslims the world over?

[jmjfanss]

@BlameRepublicans

Fuck Both parties, it means nothing today, this is a battle between constitutionalists vs. globalists.

[BlameRepublicans]

You GOP types are so generous wanting to share your failure with the Liberals... Thanks but no thanks. If they're all the same anyway just vote Dem all the time.

[jmjfanss]

@BlameRepublicans

Who cares, fuck both parties, they are globalists.

Vote third party.

[mjobanion7]

what happened dude, no more stupid comments

[BlameRepublicans]

I know, I know, I've got so many irons in the fire here. I've got 20 unanswered posts in my inbox. Please be patient I will eventually get to your post and make you look like the jackass you are.

[bdkage]

You are as clueless as your responses dictate!!!

[TheDemonPazuzu]

We're all screwed now.

[wild112233]

You must be a health insurance company employee :-)

[WVJimbo]

@TheDemonPazuzu you got OWNED lol

[TheDemonPazuzu]

No, as I am young and healthy, but you'll find out the hard way when all this kicks in and the govt turns you down when you need help as you'll be a "liability" as opposed to an "asset."

You must be young still, but you are already naive and foolish.

[TheDemonPazuzu]

No, as I already see govt abuses with my parents on Medicare.

[wild112233]

1. Every developed country has a universal healthcare system, except the US.

2. In no developed country, will people die due to lack of money, except the US, where 45,000 die every year for lack of funds.

The comment about your parents is silly! Medicare is rated far higher for customer satisfaction, than the best private health insurance. Google it out, or read the "2008 CAHPS® Health Plan Survey Chartbook"

Stop your insurance company profiteering rant. And learn to read data & statistics.

[TheDemonPazuzu]

You know something? If this was an HONEST attempt to help the American people, I would be all for it. However, this is a play for power and billions and billions of dollars by corrupt politicians, none of whom are worth anything as they're all crooks.

You, sir, are a trusting, ,naive and gullible fool.

[TheDemonPazuzu]

While I hate the neocons even more than I do the pink-o liberals, I still think this one hits the nail on the head: 

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" -- Ronald Reagan

[luvs2teach00]

But isn't the government the people? If it like that in the U.S. where people are terrified by the government, then it is really not a government by the people then.

[TheDemonPazuzu]

In theory the American government is supposed to be "the people," but certainly not in practice. Today's government is rife with corrupt millionaires and billionaire trying to get even more wealthy off our backs and selling us out simultaneously

Google "Take The Ceausescu Challenge!" for an hilarious solution to remedy this ongoing problem, but this "wild112233" is every corrupt politician's ass-kisser.

[TheDemonPazuzu]

Yes, the govt wouldn't lie about Medicare, would it? Go back to watching TV and texting your friends on your cell phone as you no longer have a thinking brain, I mean, ,if Medicare would phony up documents to force my father to be released earlier than was healthy for him, why wouldn't they lie elsewhere? Duh, you are stupid.

PS: I just asked my parents what they think of Medicare and both said: "It's awful."

However, you don't live in the real world.

[wild112233]

You can give quotes and anecdotes. I gave you data. Too complicated, eh? Let me know when you have some data to back up your claims.

And stop ranting with your conspiracy theories - there's always a fringe element like you screeching every time society progresses.

I don't plan to reply, unless you have some clear data, with website sources or at least a clear report name that can be Googled for. See if you have something apart from Fox News.

And stop with the conspiracy theories. Silly :-)

[TheDemonPazuzu]

Evasions noted, but you gave me fact free assertions by sources that are questionable at best and shills for Obama at worst.

Yes, I did give you two opinions on Medicare, but considering the fact that govt. run health care nearly killed them both, they are entitled to those opinions.

Fair enough about replying as I didn't want to talk to a brainwashed lover of govt anyway, but I would like one answer to one question from you: WHY do you love & trust govt when the Founding Fathers didn't?

[FuckYourGodDamnGod]

@Wild112233: TheDemonPazuzu OWNED and BONED you! LMAO, loser liberal!

[NoMoreGunViolence]

Yes, we liberals know that all conspiracy theories are untrue, just like the conspiracy to land on the moon.

[TheTiffanyAnne]

I have done some debating in college and, when you adopt the "I'm taking my widdle ball and going straight home" attitude as you have done, you lose because you forfeit the debate.

In closing and using your logic, JFK should still be alive because Oswald conspired to murder him in Texas, but you imply all such conspiracies are flat-out untrue.

I have to laugh when you dumb dumbs who have never even kissed a girl think you know what you're talking about :-P

[kyleharper16]

wow dude, you got dominated haha. I guess thats the liberal way: when you lose, act like you won and leave the argument! lol nice

[TheDemonPazuzu]

I know, just look at all the thumbs down for that liberal weenie!

I hear ya, fellow right winger, and I hate those god damned commie pink-o liberal blowhards with a burning passion. Who we need as President is Patrick J. Buchanan or a reincarnated H. L. Mencken ;-]

[kyleharper16]

I do too man. For the life of me i just cannot comprehend how they think. I seriously do not understand how they can be so ignorant of the facts. We are all looking at the same facts, they just choose to ignore them haha.

Yes those are both excellent choices! Or how about Andrew Jackson? The one who first realized that a central bank was evil and destroyed it.

[wild112233]

Wow, I take a holiday break, and come back to this :-) Nice work fellas!

Okay, there are 16 people who have given me a thumbs-down. Can any of you 16 explain to me, why every other developed country in the world has universal healthcare?

Also, if you are against this universal medical system, can any of you 16 also explain why Medicare has higher satisfaction ratings than private insurance?

Yeah, it's easy to call names and give a thumbs down. But data would be more convincing.

[kyleharper16]

Can you explain why France and England warned us not to socialize healthcare??

And well, the higher satisfaction rate probably has to do with the fact that its cheaper...go figure! that was a hard one?

Data? ok...how bout the decrease in pay the doctors will receive, resulting in decrease of quality of care and work, less intelligent doctors, and more people dying of common curable things...hows that?

Its all about incentive buddy. And gov't run anything is worthless. Just look at our country

[wild112233]

Hey, nice. Now can you give a link because I can't find anything on Google that shows that France and UK (not England) said anything about US healthcare ?

From Reuters: France, Japan and Australia rated best and the US worst in new rankings focusing on preventable deaths due to treatable conditions in 19 leading industrialized nations.

Site: reuters[dot]com/article/latest­Crisis/idUSN07651650

This data shows that people are healthier with universal healthcare systems.

Your turn?

[wild112233]

Oops, here's the link again

reuters[dot]com/article/idUSN0­7651650

"WASHINGTON, Jan 8 (Reuters) - France, Japan and Australia rated best and the United States worst in new rankings focusing on preventable deaths due to treatable conditions in 19 leading industrialized nations, researchers said on Tuesday.

If the U.S. health care system performed as well as those of those top three countries, there would be 101,000 fewer deaths in the United States per year..."

[jacobew2000]

@wild112233,

The question is who provided this questionair, who administered it. Reuters is not exactly known to be unbiased toward the conservative ideology. A lot of these are done by various UN organizations that are led by the very socialists that are trying to spread their ideology.

Its called GIGO in programming. Garbage In, Garbage Out.

[kyleharper16]

They didnt say anything about US healthcare...?

They warned against socialized healthcare.

Worst words you can hear: "I am from the government, and I am here to help."

You obviously know nothing about incentive and motivation. That is why socialism hasnt and cant work

[wild112233]

You care to give a link to substantiate your point?

[kyleharper16]

Why? Cant find it yourself?

[wild112233]

1. No.

2. If you are claiming facts, you should give the source.

[kyleharper16]

My source is doctors...? haha

[wild112233]

If you cannot google and give one respectable link to prove your point, what does that say about you? You seem either too uneducated to google out information, or so stupid that you don't need to research before forming an opinion.

Any idiot can state opinions. It takes at least a grade 5 brain to google and get information to support your assertions. Too difficult for rednecks, I suppose.

[kyleharper16]

First of all, redneck? hahaha since i live in one of the wealthiest communities in the country, i doubt i could be called redneck. Secondly, i am a member of mensa, so stupid or uneducated would not be an accurate description of my intellect. Third, i have primary sources as my source of information, which you learn in grade 5 is better than secondary sources.

Too easy man.

[wild112233]

So you will not give a source to what you assert. Okay, you've made your point.

[kyleharper16]

haha ok