The legal system, education and regulation are run by the state., The state has failed the poor, NOT free markets. The solution is not to give more power to these corrupt states.
You wrote "the state don't play a crucial role creating the conditions for prosperity because a market operating on its own isn't feasible." That latter point is debatable, but no one here is arguing it. A market "operating on its own" is one that operates without government. That is anarchy. // De Soto's point, which you miss, is that they are poor because the costs of transacting (how you get richer) are too high. To say they're poor because they have nothing (are poor) is circular.
@FreeToChooseNetwork I wrote the word laissez-faire, which is a market without government intervention except for the enforcement of contracts, and [very low if not none] taxation. That's a market operating on its own, without stimulus from the state. You're still accusing me of something I have not written.
In this video, De Soto draws a market very very close to laissez-faire, yet those people will always live in poverty without strong state intervention.
......the problem is that people have been "forced to operate outside the rule of law..... no legal ID..... no credit..... no capital", then I'll like to know what's the genesis of the 'free market', or economy, if not by collective planning?
Also, it says that 'two thirds of the world's population has 'been locked out of the global economy' as if poverty emerged for not globalizing the economy. They seem to attribute prosperity to the 'free market' as if......
@Rodriguez8611 You're going to have to do better than call someone a liar. Have you seen the whole film? Have you read Mystery of Capital -- with reams of research to this effect? No, squatters do not have legal title, nor do they have legally registered businesses and, very very often, they don't even have legal identity. Why do you think it's so difficult for anyone in the third world to get small loans? Read Mystery of Capital and then come on here and bloviate.
@FreeToChooseNetwork So your solution is to give squatters legal tittles for something they don't own?? hahaha.... you resulted even more socialistic than me. You write about the government not giving these people legal tittles, loans or property rights when they own nothing, now that's laissez-faire at its Moment of Truth!.
Again, a complicated issue simplified to the point of absurdity.
Funny to see 'Free To Choose Network' add a small essay in the video description saying "soviet communism" has been defeated as if someone was advocating communism, and mind you that there have never been an actual communist country. Furthermore, they believe a mixed economy doesn't work yet admits that 'capitalism is not working for the vast majority of humanity' hehehe.... I'll like to know what's a economic system failure for them if not this?. Oh wait, the problem is not laissez-faire, .....
@Rodriguez8611 Most classical liberals are not anarchists, so you're a little confused. De Soto is advocating institutional rules that encourage property ownership, lower burdens to entrepreneurship, etc. These are things which government should, arguably, be responsible for under classical liberalism. I suggest instead of trying to create a straw man, you understand his message in a transpartisan way. That is: Empower the poor as entrepreneurs; don't exclude them.
@FreeToChooseNetwork Where do I suggest that the free market, such as the one you stand for, is anarchy?. Nowhere, and talking about strawman eh!, what's up with that?.
I agree 100% with Soto when he says that indigenous peoples should be given property rights, that would be great for them and the economy, but he claims that poor of the cities are "not legally recognize.... don't have legal ID.... etc", this is not true, they are poor because they have nothing, they own nothing,........
@FreeToChooseNetwork .......and its a lie that they don't have legal identity. So it seems to me that he accuses the rule of law to be a main contributor to poverty, which is not true, except for the natives. I can tell you first hand because I come from a poor country that happens to be Peru's neighbor. Property ownership is respected in our countries, and as a matter of fact, entrepreneurs have faced far lower "burdens" than in the U.S, and far less bureaucracy, there's no welfare,........
@FreeToChooseNetwork ......food stamps, housing, or medicaid, if you don't have money to paid the hospital, you'll die in the emergency room, literally, you're at the mercy of the doctors. He's trying to make a complicated issue as simple "empower the poor as entrepreneurs", and I'll like to know how when in the real world, they got nothing?. How naive!.
So, you bothered to accuse me of making a strawman but not to answer my questions. Now that's a winner.
@Rodriguez8611 What is your question? De Soto is talking about the shantytowns of Peru and darkest Africa. Food stamps, housing and Medicaid -- these are not even a consideration in such deeply poor countries. You're are showing me with your ignorance that I'm wasting my time with your comments. Goodbye.
@FreeToChooseNetwork Are you actually asking me "what's your question"?, I'll be nice to you and ask you kindly, please re-read my questions. Are shantytowns of Peru states?, no. Peru is not a "deeply poor country" it has sufficient wealth to have a stable economy. I pointed out that there's no welfare, housing, medicaid, etc in these countries because you wrote that the state should put "lower burdens to entrepreneurs", and all these things are paid by taxation and SOEs,......
@Rodriguez8611 Let's not be silly. It's not "socialist" to suggest that squatted (public) property be homesteaded to become private property. I am not suggesting that squatters on private land should remain. But public? Homestead them in and give them a title. In rural Peru, poor farmers used to have to work for cooperatives and bureaucrats took away the fruits of their labors. De Soto is saying these farms should be private. He is not saying NOT to assist people with welfare. (I would, though.)
@FreeToChooseNetwork ...... a confused ex-anarchist. Ask him what he thinks about what you're saying and see how you'll be dismissed as a socialist. So now Soto is only saying that "the walls to the formal sector should be lowered".... are you serious, is that all he is saying?. Now is true that someone is wasting time here, and that is me.
@FreeToChooseNetwork ......and bureaucracy is a lot lower in our countries. So, the "burden" is very little, I'll even dare to call it trivial, yet, poverty will not be dealt with by the simplistic, nonetheless important, advise of De Soto.
Don't call me ignorant when its not me who's being inconsistent and bogus here.
@FreeToChooseNetwork I'll admit that bureaucracy can be a pain in the *** sometimes, but I'll like to know what would you "transact" if you got nothing?.
You say: To say they're poor because they have nothing (are poor) is circular. Why are they poor then?
@Rodriguez8611 Ok, you've goaded me into more. "Transaction costs" is an economic term for cooperation. It's insulting to poor people to say they have nothing. The entire world was poor once. Think about it: How did some get rich? People have ideas, labor and -- given the right changes in rules -- assets in land. The problem is many are locked in the informal sector.. All de Soto is saying is that the walls to the formal sector should be lowered. E. g. 200 days to get a biz licence is too long..
@FreeToChooseNetwork I know what transaction cost means my friend. I'm not insulting poor people by saying they got nothing, it's the truth. It would be insulting if society fold its arms and pass by like there's nothing wrong with those pictures. It would be insulting to teach them laissez-faire when in reality you're using a socialistic approach.
Are you actually asking me "how did some get rich", believe me or not, this truly truly angered me because you're using my very same stance,......
@Rodriguez8611 Allowing anyone to produce is how society enriches the lives of everyone. Not everyone can afford the risks to purchase expense equipment which helps to improve production thus allowing workers to produce more and therefor consume more. Government is the road block to voluntary trade of people bartering in the free market with each other.
@FreeToChooseNetwork ......go read my first 3 comments directed to you. You boast laissez-faire while at the same time using socialism, and don't tell me "let's not be silly"! because if distributing land to people who haven't paid for it is not socialistic, then I'm in the wrong planet. And I'm not against that, I agree with this, what makes me want to choke someone to death is that despite this, you preach laissez-faire. You even have a video of Johan Norberg, .......
You say that by receiving food stamps they're getting paid to be poor?! WHAT!, are you consuming opium or something of that caliber to say something so incrediably retarded!, First of all, how can they get paid to be poor if they're already poor?; and second, they recieving some help for something they can't afford. Tell me, what exactly does the goverment do to increase health care cost?
Did he say that Latinos mostly come to the u.s and not Easter Europe or Cuba cause of the free market? So why is it the most of the workers and NOT business owners are Latinos? Atleast in their own contries they can own a business. If Latinos are such free market driven, why are they cleaning toilets in the U.S?
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So are Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels & revolutionaries like Lenin extralegal, too? Apparently, because they won the support of people in countries like Russia and became the winning political party in various countries at times (not for all times everywhere, of course). We should learn & study & honor Marx & Lenin for their achievements, too, just as much as we should from these poor, too.
@wasatchwindows No sarcasm. Lenin & Marx were great revolutionaries, just like George Washington or the people who fought slavery in America. They should be honored and respected just like all the American soldiers demand and expect to be honored for THEIR sacrifices.
@duck24x Marx spoke of his revolution as a revolutionary holocaust in which the inferior races (he called blacks, italians, irish, basques, gypsies, and slavs "racial trash) would perish. He advocated genocide, and then Lenin practiced genocide. Millions of people starved to death or were sent to death camps as a direct result of Lenin's "reforms" during his lifetime. Marxist Leninism has killed more people in the 20th century alone than every war mankind has ever fought in all of history
@wasatchwindows Nazis and European and American capitalists who supported slavery supported torture and murder based upon race - e.g. against black people and religion - against non-christians. Show me where in "Das Kapital" that Marx advocates killing based upon race or nationality. Marx supported a classless society. Any reference to holocaust & genocide was made by Marx saying that capitalists and anti-communists supported genocide.
@duck24x Marx advocated a class-less society by killing the "undesirables." He called the Spanish "degenerate" and Mexicans "Degenerate Spanish." He said "we have to purge the Jews from Western and Global Civilization." He also said that we should accept the "physical and intellectual power of the german nation subdue and assimilate"
@wasatchwindows And so did every conservative in the history of the planet, including today. Arizona and "illegal" immigration, huh? Show me where in "Das Kapital" Marx advocates this. You can't. You make this shit up.
@duck24x Really? Name one conservative who advocated genocide and ethnic cleansing. And Arizona? The law only gives police officers power to ENFORCE THE FEDERAL LAW!!! It is a felony (federal crime) to enter this country illegally or overstay your visa! Mexico has been charged with human rights violations for the way they treat their own illegals from central america (their violations aren't deportation; its rape and robbery, we dont even compare to their hypocrisy)
@wasatchwindows Adolph Hitler. General Pinochet of Chile. Thomas Jefferson and the Founding Fathers who supported slavery (before they changed their minds on the matter). Anyone who fought against the feminists like Stanton & Lucretia Mott who simply wanted the same rights as men to vote and to testify in court.
@duck24x Hitler was a SOCIALIST. What does Nazi stand for? National Socialist German Workers party. He wanted universal health care,public schools, ect. And Tom Jefferson wasn't a conservative, he was more libratarian. Also, virtually every white man at that time was an advocate of slavery. Still, he NEVER advocated genocide like Max, Engel, George Bernard Shaw, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, HO Chi Minh, Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, Che, ect. All socialists.
@wasatchwindows And Hitler just CHOSE that name "socialist" to fool ignorant SHITHEADS like YOU into confusing the Nazis with actual socialists, Marxists. Clearly, Hitler is STILL doing a VERY good job. And the Chinese Communist Party constitution has the word "Army" in it. So THAT proves communists are PATRIOTIC.
And Hitler KILLED 20 million Soviet Communist citizens in WWII! YOU owe these 20 million Communists your life & freedom - otherwise, you'd be writing in German right now.
@pulsatingremedy Ok. I meant "Hitler's organization". Not Hitler, personally.
Anyway - go tell this to wasatchwindows, who clearly needs a history lesson, and is deluded into believing that Hitler sided with the poor and the working classes and the unions and the communists in Europe who were fighting for better working conditions & higher pay from the rich industrialists instead of doing the complete opposite: imprisoning them and murdering them.
@pulsatingremedy I forgot to mention THIS example, which I will shove down wasatchwindows' GW Bush-loving throat if he ever dares respond to me again:
Saddam Hussein - a known terrorist according to Republicans - was himself, in fact, A REPUBLICAN! Remember the Iraqi Republican Guard? They were a terrorist organization which murdered American troops in 2003. So that proves communist-hating Republicans are terrorists & anti-freedom!
Ofcourse they are anti-freedom, ofcourse they use terror to get to their aims. That is no secret.
We should ignore most of the pro-capitalist propaganda. We know that capitalism is the system of crisis and war. What we must do, is find out how to get out of this mess.
@pulsatingremedy No, although I probably ought to join. I feel I have to keep working hard on my own social/legal/justice/political game theories, so I will have MY OWN ORIGINAL thoughts to contribute. Not that those thoughts should not be backed up by historical fact.
@andytheR No, I am not being sarcastic. Saddam Hussein had a Republican guard. That's what they were called. Also, among the first victims of Hussein's murderous 20-year (or whatever) rampage were communists. (ok - to your credit - communists and socialists are different)
@duck24x can you really be this dumb? Saddam Hussein was a Republican? I would advise you to go back to an adult continuation school and get a GED. There is no point in arguing with someone who just makes stuff up or listens to actors from hollywood.
@wasatchwindows And you & Walt Disney and Ronald Reagan & all other conservatives and anti-socialists advocate genocide & murder of Jews, communists, socialists, atheists, environmentalists, black people, poor people (esp in South America), indigenous people (again of South America).
@duck24x Ronald Reagan advocated genocide? Really? I still have yet to see one example of a conservative who recommended genocide for anybody. Lets look at your hero list. Lenin: 30 million dead. Stalin: 50 million dead. Mao: 70 million dead. MILLION! The population of California is 40 million. What if we starved out the entire state of California and called Schwarzenegger a hero for it? You are hopeless.
@wasatchwindows Tell that shit coming out your mouth to the people he illegally murdered in South America by ordering the illegal violent overthrowing of elected officials by using the CIA as a terrorist weapon. Nicaragua. Columbia. Chile.
There is no proof whatsoever that Lenin killed anyone. Prove it.
People who fought in the Russian Civil War were obeying THE LAW.
@pulsatingremedy before Stalin Russia was ruled under a Czar and was nothing like Africa, you fool. you socialists like to bend the truth but now you are just flat-out lying.
@pulsatingremedy Russia was opressed by a Monarchy, not by what you call "capitalsits" before Lenin came. When i say capitalist, i mean free markets, free trade, and uninhibited business. This is the proven method to create wealth. Lenin and Stalin killed millions of people. In the 1980s, what our government defined as the poverty line was well above the average living standard of the USSR. These men ruined Russia, not saved it.
The economic development was the same as in Africa right now. It was a land with low industrial capacity and the population consisted of mostly farmers.
Russia went from pogrom land to the country that defeated nazi Germany.
@pulsatingremedy assuming your claim is true, are you prescribing what happened to Russia for Africa? Why not do what the USA, Singapore, South Korea, Japan, Germany, Taiwan, and every single other wealthy country did to escape poverty? Capitalism!
@pulsatingremedy I am not trying to be mean spirited, but i have to disagree. If we look at all the communist countries that existed, they all had to have walls around them to keep people in, not out. An estimated 35 million people fled communist-controlled countries in the 20th century. at least 70 million people died of government-induced famine in communist countries. True capitalism is free trade. Will we ever "dominate" Canada, our biggest trading partner? Capitalism is peace
@pulsatingremedy Capitalism is war? Will we ever get in a war with germany, france, england, canada, japan, or Taiwan? ever? No, because we trade with them. International trade (capitalism) is the greatest tool for peace and prosperity mankind has ever conceived. Who started the cold war? USSR. They spent over half their total output on armaments.
@pulsatingremedy Please don't talk about Viet Nam. I am Vietnamese, and the communists killed all my family who left there. My uncle was in a SOCIALIST concentration camp for 7 years where he was beaten and starved. He survived on cockroaches and frogs that were in the prison. His crime? he attended an american flight school. The great tragedy in Viet Nam was that we didn't stay and finish the job. The communists killed over a million of their own people and set us back a generation.
I don't really care about your uncle. The thing is, 80% of the South Vietnamese were communists. So a dictatorship was formed and the country was massacred to kill communism.
@pulsatingremedy you have no idea what you are talking about in Viet Nam. Clueless. Ask one of the boat people about Vietnamese communism. You don't care about my uncle? Do you have sympathy for any of the 100 million who died in the 20th century under the name of communism?
Lenin said that the Spanish civil war failed because not enough people died. Do you want to side with him?
@wasatchwindows Right on, man. I've lived in Vietnam, and even invested there. What these arm chair socialists don't realize, is that nobody in Vietnam is complaining about Nike sweatshops; people are complaining about the government. Even today, the Communist Party do nothing but obstruct the people from climbing out of poverty, while failing to adequately perform the most basic governmental responsibilities. Roads, hospitals etc. are a disgrace.
@pulsatingremedy Finally, WWII was started by the National Socialist German Workers party, the NAZIS. They nationalized major industries, banks, and the media. They restricted travel, micromanaged and propagandized education, and spent huge amounts of money on their military. These are all characteristics of socialism and communism. Hitler killed thousands of marxists, not because he disagreed with them, but because they competed with him by offering a similar system.
@pulsatingremedy Look at Japan again. Before WWII, it was a socialist, totalitarian society. After we "conquered" them, they became a capitalist democracy. Will Japan ever get into a war of conquest again? No. Look at Germany. Under the Socialist Nazi regime, they raped and plundered. Post-WWII, we set them up to be a Capitalist democracy. Will we ever go to war with Germany again? No, because we trade with them and attacking them would be shooting ourselves in the foot.
@pulsatingremedy If you want to talk about sustainability, look at Greece, Italy, and Spain. They have so many socialist policies that they are going bankrupt.
The USSR was spending over 50% of their GDP on their military when their people were starving by the millions. China has an average annual income of $1,058, but they spent $40 billion on the olympics. History has shown that the only stable, high income economies have all been free-market capitalists.
Greece, Italy and Spain are capitalist. The means of production are privately owned.
Free market capitalism has never existed, if you disagree, please supply evidence.
The USSR had to spent money on military. They were being forced by the US. If they had not spent that money on military the US would just have outgunned them.
They were both embargo'd by the rest of the world and were threatened by the US. That broke up the USSR.
@pulsatingremedy If you want to talk about imperialism, look at the USSR. They took over Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe and made puppet states. Look what they did to Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran. Lets look at what the USA did. After WWII, instead of dominating the Germans (like the rest of Europe did after WWI) we instituted the Marshal Plan and spent $40 billion on REBUILDING OUR ENEMIES COUNTRY. Look at American Samoa vs Samoa. Hawaii vs Tonga. SOUTH KOREA VS NORTH KOREA. Ect, Ect, Ect.
@pulsatingremedy I am sorry, but your definitions of "factors of production" and "capital ownership" as defined by Marx has been proven wrong by history. Once workers "own the factors of production" they aren't workers anymore.
Socialism is where the government controls major industries in an economy (greece, spain, ect).
If america is such a terrible place, then why are people risking their lives to immigrate here by the millions?
@pulsatingremedy Ah, economics. Strangely, I am nearly done with my undergraduate in Economics at one of the top 3 Econ programs at the University level. I wont tell you which one, but this is what John List (a graduate professor at the top Phd program in the world) said: “I can honestly say that of all the universities around the world, the top undergraduate economics majors at... are consistently at the top of the pile in terms of readiness to matriculate to the University of Chicago,”
@pulsatingremedy "capital in common ownership." Who owns the capital in the USA? Who owns Microsoft? Thousands of individual shareholders. Who owns the capital in the major industries of Greece? The government. Who is in charge of the "public good" in socialist government? A select few in power. The more public major industries become, the more concentrated the command over capital. Why do some people think that big corporations will screw you but big government won't? They are one and the same
@pulsatingremedy I am afraid that the data is against you. Since intervention by the USA, England, France, West Germany, Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Iraq Afghanistan, Poland, Austria, Italy, Greece, and many more countries have seen higher GDP growth, higher GDP per capita, higher literacy rates, higher womens suffrage, increased international trade, lower death rates, and on. The only exceptions has been places like Iran and Viet Nam where we failed in our objectives.
@pulsatingremedy Lets assume your numbers and history is correct (which it isn't). Even if it is, how does this even begin to compare to the 100,000,000 + killed by Marxist-Leninism in the 20th century? 100 million! Thats California+Oregon+Washington+Nevada+Idaho+Utah+Montana+Wyoming !! Dead in less than a century!!
@pulsatingremedy laisze fare capitalism and colonialism killed those people. not regulated or fair trade capitalism. get the view that capitalism is monolithic and fundementally evil out of your head, it makes us leftists look bad.
Correction: the IPRI list has been updated for 2010 and now includes 125 countries. The top 10 are now: Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland, New Zealand, Singapore, Australia, Austria. But the conclusion is still the same: rich countries protects private property rights, while poor countries does not. Interestingly; the Scandinavian countries are in the top 5.
The International Property Rights Index (IPRI) lists 115 countries according to how well they protect private property. Top 10 on the IPRI-list: Finland, Netherlands, Denmark, New Zealand, Sweden, Germany, Norway, Switzerland, Australia, Austria. These are all rich countries. Bottom 10 on the IPRI-list: Paraguay, Azerbaijan, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Chad, Venezuela, Guyana, Burundi, Zimbabwe, Angola, Bangladesh. These are all poor countries.
It is not about oil. Sweden and Denmark has no oil, but they are still rich countries. Norway has oil, but so does Venezuela. Norway is rich, but Venezuela is poor. The problem is lack of private property rights in poor countries. Norway has a high IPRI-score (8.3), while Venezuela has one of the lowest (3.2).
All rich countries has market economy and protects private property rights. That´s why they are rich. This include the Scandinavian countries, and all other countries with a mixed economy. Market economy and private property is a very important part of this system. It is the market economy that creates the wealth. The socialist part of the system only redistribute the wealth. Wealth must be created before it can be redistributed, and thats why a social system will never work without capitalism.
"What is really comes down to is understanding how economy works. Nobody who does, ridicules capitalism, end of story."
Si what you are saying here is that our prime minister, who wrote one of the most ackowledged social economy papers in Norwegian history, knows absolutely nothing about economy. I cannot be bothered arguing with someone that ignorant. Let's just leave it at the fact that we disagree. However, Norway is successful, and is not something that can be denied.
And what is even more absurd is that we are in the middel of a world recession, which we have hardly felt any impact of, and you still think that pissing away the funds from oil would have been the better choice. We would be as fucked as the rest of them if we had done it how the right-winged wanted to. Not acknowledging this is pure ignorance.
Norway, where I live, has the highest standard of living in the world, and it is impossible (no, I am not overexagurating - it actually is) to be homeless in my country. You will be provided with an apartment and money to survive from the goverment if your other option is to be homeless. Norway is run, and mainly built, but the social democratic party The Norwegian Labour Party, which is not a socialist party, but a mix between socialism and social liberalism. Learn from us, capitalism sucks.
In regards of natural resources, Norway is one of the richest, if not The richest. Mainly oil and natural gas, electricity through waterfalls, and thus also a center for melting metal in the world, and also the most amount of fish per capita.
But of course, the welfare state is the source of all our wealth.
I live in Norway too, and we are in complete disagreement.
Yes, some people have an issue with sharing wealth that is beyond me. Futhermore, I find it weird that when you live in such a well functioning society, and see how capitalism has fail so terribly elsewhere, that you still can truly believe it is the better option. But it all pans down to ones moral standards.
@petternitter Would be nice if every country has 1/3 of it's gdp income from oil as Norway has. Eliminate the oil income and your country would be 33% poorer, and you would have to reform as Sweden did.
The left winged are spending minimal funds from the oil fund, saving it for future generations, whilst with the economical plan presented from the largest right winged party has budgeted to spend the entire oil fund of I-don't-know-how-many-billion-dollars in 40 years, so that the richest people in Norway can get even richer and at the same time making conditions for the poorest (whom at this moment in time with a left winged government aren't even poor compared to poor Americans) even worse.
One can be a complete moron and still thrive in a country with lots of natural resources like Norway. The real genius is having a country with very few natural resources like Honk Kong, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea and still thrive. These are not socialst countries by any means.
It's not llike the oil is going to last forever, it's better to reinvest it, rather than save it for pension funds. A farmer that eats the seeds is not very wise.
its funny how the same politicians who are "champions of the poor" ie welfare, and other social programs are the same politicians who create the regulations that keep them down
@fdny9682 Would you give some examples?. Because if you call "keep them down" to a wider access to education, health care, food, and participation, then I would like to know in which magical world you're living in.
@Rodriguez8611 Wider access to GOVERNMENT education. All those liberal big cities and their horrible school systems. Wider access to education except vouchers for private school right? Gotta protect those teachers unions. Food from welfare, which pays people to be poor and destroyed the african american family. And the same government that puts increases mandates on healthcare providers therefore inceasing prices. Thats great for the poor!!!!
@fdny9682 So, the goverment are the ones doing the 'teaching', or is the teachers doing the teaching?. Come one!, grow up. Education in the private sector is just as bad that the one in the public sector of the U.S, unlike European education, in which students score higher grades than american. Still, in blue states people are more likely to be college graduates, unlike red states, in which crime is even higher. Also, under blue goverments, economic growth have been higher.
@Rodriguez8611 Put mexico on europes boarder and tell me how good their schools are in twenty years. You never challanged my point on the destruction of the african american family from welfare. By paying people to stay in one class? By paying fathers to leave. By paying women to be pregnant. And dont give me that bullshit about increased numbers of college grads and making that synonimous with being more educated. My generation has the most college Grads in the history of this country
@fdny9682 Do you actually believe it is a "challenge" to say "food from welfare....... destroyed the african american family"? Where's the challenge?. Europe already have a tremendous flow of immigrants from the middle east and africa, so there's the parallel. Also, allow me to teach you that there's 52 states, and only a handful have a substantial number of hispanics, despite being the largest minority.
@fdny9682 And it seems to me that you're saying "put mexico on europes border" because of our ethnicity, rather than our legal status, which one is it?
African american families destroyed african american families, stop blaming it on other peoples or social programs. Poor hispanic families receive goverment assistance and they're not facing your alleged "family destruction", asian families don't face it either.
@fdny9682 Hispanics and other minorities are doing better than black people, the problem of african american problem is called African American self-steam. You people kepp living in the past.
If you go to the hospital without money, and you get medical care, are the doctors paying you to be sick?. Goverment assistance to the poor is not "paying" them to be poor, it defies reason and logic to say something so idiotic as that, it is to mitigate the misery they're already in, ...........
@fdny9682 ........but it seems that for you, letting people starve and bleed to death is part of a healthy society.
So.... a psychologist or a computer scientist is not a professional according to you?. Just listen to you!. Yes, goverment dictates curriculum, but it have been in republican goverments that science literacy have declined, specially with that "scientific" creationism, and all that biblical untenable garbage.
I would hardly call tens of thousands of people with communications and psychology degrees educated. And yes the teachers teach but the government dictates curriculum, does the hiring, allocates the money, and passes bullshit pseudo intellectual idealogy like "social promotion" to pass kids on to the next level who cant read. 3rd graders can put a condom on a banana but cant spell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@fdny9682 Liberals support steam-cell research, evolution, and are against goverment intervention in education except for the payment. That kids can't read properly is mostly thanks to republicans focus on teaching kids not to have sex life rather than scientific research.
@fdny9682 I just responded to what you wrote, and all of the sudden I'm the bad guy? Come one my friend!, be a man and accept your arguments have no leg to stand on.
@Rodriguez8611 Dude there are 50 states, not 52.And how are all those middle eastern immigrants doing in europes schools? Liberals are against govt intervention in schools except to pay? Whats tenure? Whats social promotion? Teachers dont pic the curriculum bureacrats do. The literacy rate and graduation rate of inner city schools was much higher prior to sex ed so cut the shit. Whats science is being taught in city schools where the graduation rates are 50, 30 20 % when the kids cant read?
@fdny9682 Maybe I got confused because of Puerto Rico and District of Columbia. Could you quote where I wrote that because of immigrants the schools are doing good?. I wrote in response to something you said, that just as the U.S have a substantial number of immigrants, Europe have it too, yet, their literacy is higher.
Your complaint about liberals is in reality about technicallities, social promotion is about diversity tolerance, that's why.......
@fdny9682 ......in liberal states there's better ethnic relationships. That teachers don't pic the curriculum.... can be shifted, it's called reforms. I don't see why you have to bitch so much about.
Teen pregnancy is higher in republican states!, despite their jihad against sex... hehehe. Yes, the school system is in trouble nationwide, but the school system is more effective in liberal states, we have higher graduation rate than in republican mouth-frothing states.
@Rodriguez8611 Republican states have liberal cities. Better ethnic relationships? what the fuck does that mean? Here in new york the blacks asians and hispanics LOVE each other? The hispanics are divided among themselves. The dominicans hate haitians. Puerto ricans hate dominicans and they all hate Mexicans? Come to work with me ONE day. Go into a government housing project and government school and see all the lovely people on government assistance living in utopia!
@fdny9682 Your inability to understand to what yo read makes you push things to the edges. Once again, you keep responding to things I have not said, because that way, you'll actually have something to respond to. I never said that everybody lives together on a bed of roses, I never wrote anything remotely close to the word utopia; I said that there's more tolerance amongst us than in republican runned states. I live in nyc too, in manhattan to be more specific, and there's no war or anything.
@fdny9682 There are some fight, which is to be expected, even in africa where everybody is black, you people are killing each other for no good reason. Perhaps you're one of those kind of blacks who still live in the past, in the slavery era, and the reveange of today that makes you see things that way. Sad. Dominicans and Haitians have a history of territorial conflict; puerto ricans feel that they're been invaded by dominicans, ......
@fdny9682 ......the same way americans feel they're been invaded by hispanics, etc. etc. but all these conflicts dillutes when they become more liberal, and people become more liberal they they're more educated, just as religion, the more secular a society is..... the more just and rational it becomes because they start questioning their core values, unlike religion and right-wingers. Destruction, but how?, thanks to the goverment this country became the power it is today,.........
@Rodriguez8611 Thanks to the government getting out of the way of the people and people being free to live free and keep what they earn it became great. But we have had an influx of breeding, savage thieves from foreign lands who bitch about diparity the second they get here and steal and rob. children dont beg in the streets here, they beg at the welfare office, at the school, at the emergency room and rob from producers. Why better yourself when government pays you to stay poor
@fdny9682 ......same ones who to get where they are received subsidies, protection from foreing competition while being in their 'Infant' state, who prefer to hire hispanics instead of blacks because we're more productive, and then these same producers sit back and watch you play the movie "They take "our" (as if you bought it) jobs". And the goverment is NOT paying you to stay poor, stay sick, or starve by giving you assistance; they're mitigating these social illnesses.
@fdny9682 It is true that in some cases the U.S have fostered counterproductive result out of this, specially in the multicultural area, but this is solved through reforms, not eradication. The only way you can have some valid ground about this matter, is if you argue for revisions of the current state, you're not actually tackling the principles.
@Rodriguez8611 Multicultural? you mean black and hispanic? Because whites dont have culture i guess. Thank god this entitlement shit didnt destroy my grandparents and mom because they actually had to be responsible. the government didnt subsidize poverty back then
@fdny9682 So that's it?, that is the kind of discourse you're suited to?.... I address every single thing you write and your responses are nothing else than drawning splashes in the water!, oh wait... I forgot you were black... now it makes sense!, my "nigga".
Where did I suggest the exclusion of white people?, or where did I suggest that white people don't have culture, or the like?. Nowhere!, only inside the little nappy head of yours that read things I haven't writen.
@Rodriguez8611 Take a half hour and youtube Walter Williams good intentions and see the destruction of these polocies. And by the way, these policies have an effect on every racial demographic. Families are being destroyed everywher due to failing education and the sexualisation of children. The more the family is destroyed the better for liberal poiticians. Because when the family is gone people turn to government
@fdny9682 .....it is thanks to the goverment that we don't see children begging for money on the street like in my country, or people dying from treatable diseases. It is the goverment that have created the enviroment for industries to develope. I'll the documentary, but do yourself a favor, read this book about republican vs liberal families: Red Families v. Blue Families: Legal Polarization and the Creation of Culture.
@Rodriguez8611 Look at all those liberal families in Harlem, oh wait it depends on how you define family. No there not begging in the streets, there begging at the welfare office, calling 911 for a runny nose, destroying the schools, joining gangs and ripping off their own people. Impregnating their women and abandoning them. Going to jail. but they're not begging!!! There listening to salsa music and playing dominos all night and pissing in the elevator
@fdny9682 ......and you point your nasty finger at me without remorse! hahahahaha...... you're the pot screaming to the kettle black! hehehe....
So, people dying in their homes or the emergency room (just like it used to be in my country before the left wing goverment of Correa) because they can't afford care seems more appealing to you?. Sky high rates of illiteracy seems more appealing to you?. Kids living in the streets and live exposed to its dangers seems more appealing to you?.
@fdny9682 Kids starving and begging in the street seems more appealing to you, eh?! Then move back to africa where you actually belong, damn trash-writing machine!. And if you want the same, but just at a considerably far lower rate, move to Latin America. Oh wait, you'll stay here because you want to get "paid" for it, and since in africa people don't get "paid" for being poor, there's no poor people liing in extreme misery over there. Which producers are you talking about?, the......
@Rodriguez8611 No people not breeding poor kids because thier pregnant when their 17 and their 30 year old boyfriend leaves is more apealing to me. Keepin you third world fucks out is more appealing to me so my bills arent so high an the doctors office. Looking at once nice neighborhoods that were destroyed by you animals who dont know what a garbage can is and think the elevator is a urinal is appealing to me. Not payingfor the education of your undisciplined,fatherless kids is appealing!!!!
@fdny9682 So, regarding kids on the streets, people dying in the emergency room (in laissez-faire), africans livings in the most extreme living conditions, high rates of illiteracy, and my suggestion for you to move to those places because they don't get "paid" to be poor, your answer is that we should worry more about teen pregnancy, (legal or ilegal) hispanic immigrants?!! Are you on medication or something?
@fdny9682 You say that you want "third world fucks" like hispanics out of the U.S right?, then you should start with black people in this country, who despite living in the land of "opportunities", your living standard is that of a third world. Every other minority is going ahead of you. How many times do I have to repeat to you that blacks have higher rates in crime, unemployment, and education than ANY other minority?.... and how many times will you keep avoiding the discussion of..........
@fdny9682 .........this kind of stuff up that you brought up, and can't handle it!. You say that your bills are high because of immigrants using medical services, let me remind you that the real reason is behind the medical mafia, the needlees protectionism from foreing physicians, and the lack of a UHC is what makes your bills high. But you're too slow to understand that, eh.
@fdny9682 Since your parents failed at teaching you how to keep civil discussions with people, and since you keep dodging my responses to your republican untenable garbage and my challenge for you to tackle the principles (not technicallities), no meaningful exchange will pan out until you do so. For now, I'll dismiss you as a raver and a wacky ranter. And I'm writing this with all the derision and contempt you deserve.
@Rodriguez8611 No wonder you dont get my points. Looking at your profile your just another south American communist immigrant. What cesspool neighborhood do you live in NYC? Everywhere you go you fucking destroy. All you know is thivery, but instead of a gun or knife you use government. Enjoy your cycle of poverty that you tout for your own people. Born in a project and you'll die in one. Because government paid you to stay there. I see a lot mommy pushing baby strollers in your
@fdny9682 That I'm communist?! how did get to that conclusion?.... hehehe..... You're the typical wacky ranter that can only come up with that same old cliche when it comes to liberals. Yes, I'm southamerican and an immigrant, but don't worry about me taking "your" job, I can get one on my own. So please, don't blame me for your failures. And fortunately, I don't live in a "cesspool", I live in 94th St, unlike most black people in this city in which you rank highest in unemployment and crime.
@fdny9682 But hey, it's hispanics, whites, asians, arabics, indians fault!. Oh wait!, it's the goverment's. Oh my goodness, I forgot, it's because of slavery. Oh no, it's because hispanics are taking "your" jobs..... yeah, that's why of your failures. Shame on me!
You say that wherever we go we destroy?! what?. We have higher employment rates than you, lower crime rates than you, less divorce rates than you, far lower ethnic hate crimes than you. But not just us, other ethnicities as well,.....
@fdny9682 ....."cut the shit". It is you who come up with retarded things like "destroyed african american families", or "paying them to be poor", I can't believe a human being can be that stupid to say something like that about the poor. Troll.
@fdny9682 have you looked up de sotos views on all the arguments ive made. this man overwhelmingly agrees with me. and can you tell me more about that black self esteem problem i cause
@envanje you should be proud dude. even though it's explained in the video, and could have been understood after a simple google search, you managed to remain ignorant.
Having actually worked and lived in many of these shantytowns, I've got to say that he is spot on.
Registering a business in Peru - and throughout Latin America - is a ridiculous exercise when compared to the U.S., taking up to a year and absurd amounts of labor to get the paperwork done. It's not just a lack of automation - it's a deeply corrupt and inefficient system.
So people work "outside" the system. The government doesn't get its taxes, and the people often lack legal protections...
@MrBlimbo You're missing the point. The "table" is thrown out the window. The government makes it far, far too difficult for the average person to open a business and operate it legally. The requirements are ridiculous.
So the response is to ignore the law entirely and create a new, ad-hoc system that is easier to enter into. Rather than bribe a bureaucrat to get a license and wait a year, they open shop and operate.
This isn't "under the table" in the classic sense.
The simple solution to the health care dilema is to alllow states the freedom to open more med schools and more law schools.
when the supply of doctors and lawyers normalizes then the people can have affordable health care and lawsuits wil nno longer plague the doctors because competition will force down the amount of lawsuits costs
the ABA and AMA along with the ANA have restricted the normal supply of doctors lawyers and nurses
free the states to meet their OWN demand and prices will drop
The legal system, education and regulation are run by the state., The state has failed the poor, NOT free markets. The solution is not to give more power to these corrupt states.
warriorprince1010 1 week ago
This is an AnCap solution... a voluntary society, Bravo!
AlbertGallatin 8 months ago 2
You wrote "the state don't play a crucial role creating the conditions for prosperity because a market operating on its own isn't feasible." That latter point is debatable, but no one here is arguing it. A market "operating on its own" is one that operates without government. That is anarchy. // De Soto's point, which you miss, is that they are poor because the costs of transacting (how you get richer) are too high. To say they're poor because they have nothing (are poor) is circular.
FreeToChooseNetwork 11 months ago
@FreeToChooseNetwork I wrote the word laissez-faire, which is a market without government intervention except for the enforcement of contracts, and [very low if not none] taxation. That's a market operating on its own, without stimulus from the state. You're still accusing me of something I have not written.
In this video, De Soto draws a market very very close to laissez-faire, yet those people will always live in poverty without strong state intervention.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
......the state don't play a crucial role creating the conditions for prosperity because a market operating on its own isn't feasible.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
......the problem is that people have been "forced to operate outside the rule of law..... no legal ID..... no credit..... no capital", then I'll like to know what's the genesis of the 'free market', or economy, if not by collective planning?
Also, it says that 'two thirds of the world's population has 'been locked out of the global economy' as if poverty emerged for not globalizing the economy. They seem to attribute prosperity to the 'free market' as if......
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 You're going to have to do better than call someone a liar. Have you seen the whole film? Have you read Mystery of Capital -- with reams of research to this effect? No, squatters do not have legal title, nor do they have legally registered businesses and, very very often, they don't even have legal identity. Why do you think it's so difficult for anyone in the third world to get small loans? Read Mystery of Capital and then come on here and bloviate.
FreeToChooseNetwork 11 months ago
@FreeToChooseNetwork So your solution is to give squatters legal tittles for something they don't own?? hahaha.... you resulted even more socialistic than me. You write about the government not giving these people legal tittles, loans or property rights when they own nothing, now that's laissez-faire at its Moment of Truth!.
Again, a complicated issue simplified to the point of absurdity.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
Funny to see 'Free To Choose Network' add a small essay in the video description saying "soviet communism" has been defeated as if someone was advocating communism, and mind you that there have never been an actual communist country. Furthermore, they believe a mixed economy doesn't work yet admits that 'capitalism is not working for the vast majority of humanity' hehehe.... I'll like to know what's a economic system failure for them if not this?. Oh wait, the problem is not laissez-faire, .....
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 Most classical liberals are not anarchists, so you're a little confused. De Soto is advocating institutional rules that encourage property ownership, lower burdens to entrepreneurship, etc. These are things which government should, arguably, be responsible for under classical liberalism. I suggest instead of trying to create a straw man, you understand his message in a transpartisan way. That is: Empower the poor as entrepreneurs; don't exclude them.
FreeToChooseNetwork 11 months ago
@FreeToChooseNetwork Where do I suggest that the free market, such as the one you stand for, is anarchy?. Nowhere, and talking about strawman eh!, what's up with that?.
I agree 100% with Soto when he says that indigenous peoples should be given property rights, that would be great for them and the economy, but he claims that poor of the cities are "not legally recognize.... don't have legal ID.... etc", this is not true, they are poor because they have nothing, they own nothing,........
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@FreeToChooseNetwork .......and its a lie that they don't have legal identity. So it seems to me that he accuses the rule of law to be a main contributor to poverty, which is not true, except for the natives. I can tell you first hand because I come from a poor country that happens to be Peru's neighbor. Property ownership is respected in our countries, and as a matter of fact, entrepreneurs have faced far lower "burdens" than in the U.S, and far less bureaucracy, there's no welfare,........
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@FreeToChooseNetwork ......food stamps, housing, or medicaid, if you don't have money to paid the hospital, you'll die in the emergency room, literally, you're at the mercy of the doctors. He's trying to make a complicated issue as simple "empower the poor as entrepreneurs", and I'll like to know how when in the real world, they got nothing?. How naive!.
So, you bothered to accuse me of making a strawman but not to answer my questions. Now that's a winner.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 What is your question? De Soto is talking about the shantytowns of Peru and darkest Africa. Food stamps, housing and Medicaid -- these are not even a consideration in such deeply poor countries. You're are showing me with your ignorance that I'm wasting my time with your comments. Goodbye.
FreeToChooseNetwork 11 months ago
@FreeToChooseNetwork Are you actually asking me "what's your question"?, I'll be nice to you and ask you kindly, please re-read my questions. Are shantytowns of Peru states?, no. Peru is not a "deeply poor country" it has sufficient wealth to have a stable economy. I pointed out that there's no welfare, housing, medicaid, etc in these countries because you wrote that the state should put "lower burdens to entrepreneurs", and all these things are paid by taxation and SOEs,......
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 Let's not be silly. It's not "socialist" to suggest that squatted (public) property be homesteaded to become private property. I am not suggesting that squatters on private land should remain. But public? Homestead them in and give them a title. In rural Peru, poor farmers used to have to work for cooperatives and bureaucrats took away the fruits of their labors. De Soto is saying these farms should be private. He is not saying NOT to assist people with welfare. (I would, though.)
FreeToChooseNetwork 11 months ago
@FreeToChooseNetwork ...... a confused ex-anarchist. Ask him what he thinks about what you're saying and see how you'll be dismissed as a socialist. So now Soto is only saying that "the walls to the formal sector should be lowered".... are you serious, is that all he is saying?. Now is true that someone is wasting time here, and that is me.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
See also "Ultimate Resource: Eusebio's Dream" in the Free To Choose Network uploads.
FreeToChooseNetwork 11 months ago
@FreeToChooseNetwork ......and bureaucracy is a lot lower in our countries. So, the "burden" is very little, I'll even dare to call it trivial, yet, poverty will not be dealt with by the simplistic, nonetheless important, advise of De Soto.
Don't call me ignorant when its not me who's being inconsistent and bogus here.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@FreeToChooseNetwork I'll admit that bureaucracy can be a pain in the *** sometimes, but I'll like to know what would you "transact" if you got nothing?.
You say: To say they're poor because they have nothing (are poor) is circular. Why are they poor then?
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 Ok, you've goaded me into more. "Transaction costs" is an economic term for cooperation. It's insulting to poor people to say they have nothing. The entire world was poor once. Think about it: How did some get rich? People have ideas, labor and -- given the right changes in rules -- assets in land. The problem is many are locked in the informal sector.. All de Soto is saying is that the walls to the formal sector should be lowered. E. g. 200 days to get a biz licence is too long..
FreeToChooseNetwork 11 months ago
@FreeToChooseNetwork I know what transaction cost means my friend. I'm not insulting poor people by saying they got nothing, it's the truth. It would be insulting if society fold its arms and pass by like there's nothing wrong with those pictures. It would be insulting to teach them laissez-faire when in reality you're using a socialistic approach.
Are you actually asking me "how did some get rich", believe me or not, this truly truly angered me because you're using my very same stance,......
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 Allowing anyone to produce is how society enriches the lives of everyone. Not everyone can afford the risks to purchase expense equipment which helps to improve production thus allowing workers to produce more and therefor consume more. Government is the road block to voluntary trade of people bartering in the free market with each other.
residentzombie 4 weeks ago
@FreeToChooseNetwork ......go read my first 3 comments directed to you. You boast laissez-faire while at the same time using socialism, and don't tell me "let's not be silly"! because if distributing land to people who haven't paid for it is not socialistic, then I'm in the wrong planet. And I'm not against that, I agree with this, what makes me want to choke someone to death is that despite this, you preach laissez-faire. You even have a video of Johan Norberg, .......
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
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You say that by receiving food stamps they're getting paid to be poor?! WHAT!, are you consuming opium or something of that caliber to say something so incrediably retarded!, First of all, how can they get paid to be poor if they're already poor?; and second, they recieving some help for something they can't afford. Tell me, what exactly does the goverment do to increase health care cost?
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
Did he say that Latinos mostly come to the u.s and not Easter Europe or Cuba cause of the free market? So why is it the most of the workers and NOT business owners are Latinos? Atleast in their own contries they can own a business. If Latinos are such free market driven, why are they cleaning toilets in the U.S?
anglekan 1 year ago
this seems to be some sort of multicultural enclave idea that could establish such things as sharia law
MrBlimbo 1 year ago
good to see people going their own way to survive in the market system
chrispollock 1 year ago
(off topic) Jacque Fresco- Search for Venus Project & Zeitgeist Movement! Beyond Poverty, Politics, Crime & War. A world w/out Money, is it even possible? Stop the Greed w/in the Government ! (Links are in my page!!) Act Now before it's to late !!!
AoEnigMoonxPhase 1 year ago
So are Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels & revolutionaries like Lenin extralegal, too? Apparently, because they won the support of people in countries like Russia and became the winning political party in various countries at times (not for all times everywhere, of course). We should learn & study & honor Marx & Lenin for their achievements, too, just as much as we should from these poor, too.
duck24x 1 year ago
@duck24x Sarcasm (i hope)?
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows No sarcasm. Lenin & Marx were great revolutionaries, just like George Washington or the people who fought slavery in America. They should be honored and respected just like all the American soldiers demand and expect to be honored for THEIR sacrifices.
duck24x 1 year ago
@duck24x Marx spoke of his revolution as a revolutionary holocaust in which the inferior races (he called blacks, italians, irish, basques, gypsies, and slavs "racial trash) would perish. He advocated genocide, and then Lenin practiced genocide. Millions of people starved to death or were sent to death camps as a direct result of Lenin's "reforms" during his lifetime. Marxist Leninism has killed more people in the 20th century alone than every war mankind has ever fought in all of history
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows Nazis and European and American capitalists who supported slavery supported torture and murder based upon race - e.g. against black people and religion - against non-christians. Show me where in "Das Kapital" that Marx advocates killing based upon race or nationality. Marx supported a classless society. Any reference to holocaust & genocide was made by Marx saying that capitalists and anti-communists supported genocide.
duck24x 1 year ago
@duck24x Marx advocated a class-less society by killing the "undesirables." He called the Spanish "degenerate" and Mexicans "Degenerate Spanish." He said "we have to purge the Jews from Western and Global Civilization." He also said that we should accept the "physical and intellectual power of the german nation subdue and assimilate"
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows And so did every conservative in the history of the planet, including today. Arizona and "illegal" immigration, huh? Show me where in "Das Kapital" Marx advocates this. You can't. You make this shit up.
duck24x 1 year ago
@duck24x Really? Name one conservative who advocated genocide and ethnic cleansing. And Arizona? The law only gives police officers power to ENFORCE THE FEDERAL LAW!!! It is a felony (federal crime) to enter this country illegally or overstay your visa! Mexico has been charged with human rights violations for the way they treat their own illegals from central america (their violations aren't deportation; its rape and robbery, we dont even compare to their hypocrisy)
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows Adolph Hitler. General Pinochet of Chile. Thomas Jefferson and the Founding Fathers who supported slavery (before they changed their minds on the matter). Anyone who fought against the feminists like Stanton & Lucretia Mott who simply wanted the same rights as men to vote and to testify in court.
duck24x 1 year ago
@duck24x Hitler was a SOCIALIST. What does Nazi stand for? National Socialist German Workers party. He wanted universal health care,public schools, ect. And Tom Jefferson wasn't a conservative, he was more libratarian. Also, virtually every white man at that time was an advocate of slavery. Still, he NEVER advocated genocide like Max, Engel, George Bernard Shaw, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, HO Chi Minh, Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, Che, ect. All socialists.
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows And Hitler just CHOSE that name "socialist" to fool ignorant SHITHEADS like YOU into confusing the Nazis with actual socialists, Marxists. Clearly, Hitler is STILL doing a VERY good job. And the Chinese Communist Party constitution has the word "Army" in it. So THAT proves communists are PATRIOTIC.
And Hitler KILLED 20 million Soviet Communist citizens in WWII! YOU owe these 20 million Communists your life & freedom - otherwise, you'd be writing in German right now.
duck24x 1 year ago
@duck24x
Actually Hitler did not choose that name.
The NSDAP used to be socialist. During the 1920s en 1930s, the NSDAP got influenced by nationalism.
This created 2 wings inside of the NSDAP. The nationalist socialists, and the anti-socialists (fascists).
The fascist side of the NSDAP was funded by multiple rich industrialists and soon got the upper hand.
With the fascist side being wealthier and better armed, they decided to wipe out the socialists within the NSDAP. Night of the long knives.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy Ok. I meant "Hitler's organization". Not Hitler, personally.
Anyway - go tell this to wasatchwindows, who clearly needs a history lesson, and is deluded into believing that Hitler sided with the poor and the working classes and the unions and the communists in Europe who were fighting for better working conditions & higher pay from the rich industrialists instead of doing the complete opposite: imprisoning them and murdering them.
duck24x 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy I forgot to mention THIS example, which I will shove down wasatchwindows' GW Bush-loving throat if he ever dares respond to me again:
Saddam Hussein - a known terrorist according to Republicans - was himself, in fact, A REPUBLICAN! Remember the Iraqi Republican Guard? They were a terrorist organization which murdered American troops in 2003. So that proves communist-hating Republicans are terrorists & anti-freedom!
duck24x 1 year ago
@duck24x
Ofcourse they are anti-freedom, ofcourse they use terror to get to their aims. That is no secret.
We should ignore most of the pro-capitalist propaganda. We know that capitalism is the system of crisis and war. What we must do, is find out how to get out of this mess.
Are you a member of revleft(dot)com?
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy No, although I probably ought to join. I feel I have to keep working hard on my own social/legal/justice/political game theories, so I will have MY OWN ORIGINAL thoughts to contribute. Not that those thoughts should not be backed up by historical fact.
duck24x 1 year ago
@duck24x you are probably being sarcastic but just to clarify: the ba'ath party (saddam's politcal party) is socialist.
andytheR 1 year ago
@andytheR No, I am not being sarcastic. Saddam Hussein had a Republican guard. That's what they were called. Also, among the first victims of Hussein's murderous 20-year (or whatever) rampage were communists. (ok - to your credit - communists and socialists are different)
duck24x 1 year ago
@duck24x can you really be this dumb? Saddam Hussein was a Republican? I would advise you to go back to an adult continuation school and get a GED. There is no point in arguing with someone who just makes stuff up or listens to actors from hollywood.
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows And you & Walt Disney and Ronald Reagan & all other conservatives and anti-socialists advocate genocide & murder of Jews, communists, socialists, atheists, environmentalists, black people, poor people (esp in South America), indigenous people (again of South America).
duck24x 1 year ago
@duck24x Ronald Reagan advocated genocide? Really? I still have yet to see one example of a conservative who recommended genocide for anybody. Lets look at your hero list. Lenin: 30 million dead. Stalin: 50 million dead. Mao: 70 million dead. MILLION! The population of California is 40 million. What if we starved out the entire state of California and called Schwarzenegger a hero for it? You are hopeless.
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows Tell that shit coming out your mouth to the people he illegally murdered in South America by ordering the illegal violent overthrowing of elected officials by using the CIA as a terrorist weapon. Nicaragua. Columbia. Chile.
There is no proof whatsoever that Lenin killed anyone. Prove it.
People who fought in the Russian Civil War were obeying THE LAW.
duck24x 1 year ago
@duck24x I can't prove it. The aliens that run the Robot that is George W Bush stole the proof right after Bush planned the 9/11 attacks.
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows Sounds like a theory your god Alex Jones supports.
(At least Alex Jones has the guts to fight for freedom to smoke pot and for gays to marry.)
duck24x 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
This is incorrect.
He called their collective undevelloped. They would need to adjust their traditions to get out of the medieval ages.
Remember that before Stalin, Russia was the same as central Africa now.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy before Stalin Russia was ruled under a Czar and was nothing like Africa, you fool. you socialists like to bend the truth but now you are just flat-out lying.
andytheR 1 year ago
@andytheR
I ment the economic conditions.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy Russia was opressed by a Monarchy, not by what you call "capitalsits" before Lenin came. When i say capitalist, i mean free markets, free trade, and uninhibited business. This is the proven method to create wealth. Lenin and Stalin killed millions of people. In the 1980s, what our government defined as the poverty line was well above the average living standard of the USSR. These men ruined Russia, not saved it.
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
The economic development was the same as in Africa right now. It was a land with low industrial capacity and the population consisted of mostly farmers.
Russia went from pogrom land to the country that defeated nazi Germany.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy assuming your claim is true, are you prescribing what happened to Russia for Africa? Why not do what the USA, Singapore, South Korea, Japan, Germany, Taiwan, and every single other wealthy country did to escape poverty? Capitalism!
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
Russia had the biggest growth of industrial capacity, all by itself. This is something capitalism cannot do.
It is true that capitalism allowed Japan to grow. As a result Japan wanted to dominate the countries surrounding it.
Capitalism results in imperialism and war.
Capitalism is unsustainable. Imperialism in this new world filled with nuclear weapons will be the end of humanity.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy I am not trying to be mean spirited, but i have to disagree. If we look at all the communist countries that existed, they all had to have walls around them to keep people in, not out. An estimated 35 million people fled communist-controlled countries in the 20th century. at least 70 million people died of government-induced famine in communist countries. True capitalism is free trade. Will we ever "dominate" Canada, our biggest trading partner? Capitalism is peace
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
The reason that the USSR invaded Afghanistan was to fight the taliban who were just created by the USA.
Search on google: "1979 Afghanistan CIA"
The US sold weapons to Iran and used that money to fund terrorists to invade Nicaragua.
Don't forget the American Holocaust in Vietnam.
Or the current Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
World War 2 was started by capitalists.
Capitalism is imperialism. Or like the Germans say: "Kapitalismus ist Krieg und Krise". Capitalism is war and crisis.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy Capitalism is war? Will we ever get in a war with germany, france, england, canada, japan, or Taiwan? ever? No, because we trade with them. International trade (capitalism) is the greatest tool for peace and prosperity mankind has ever conceived. Who started the cold war? USSR. They spent over half their total output on armaments.
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
Capitalism IS war.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy Please don't talk about Viet Nam. I am Vietnamese, and the communists killed all my family who left there. My uncle was in a SOCIALIST concentration camp for 7 years where he was beaten and starved. He survived on cockroaches and frogs that were in the prison. His crime? he attended an american flight school. The great tragedy in Viet Nam was that we didn't stay and finish the job. The communists killed over a million of their own people and set us back a generation.
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
I don't really care about your uncle. The thing is, 80% of the South Vietnamese were communists. So a dictatorship was formed and the country was massacred to kill communism.
We call it the American Holocaust.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy you have no idea what you are talking about in Viet Nam. Clueless. Ask one of the boat people about Vietnamese communism. You don't care about my uncle? Do you have sympathy for any of the 100 million who died in the 20th century under the name of communism?
Lenin said that the Spanish civil war failed because not enough people died. Do you want to side with him?
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
"possibly 80 per cent of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader"
- Eisenhower
No I don't care about your uncle.
No I don't care about the people who died under the name of communism.
I'd side with Lenin untill he tries to take over the soviets.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows Right on, man. I've lived in Vietnam, and even invested there. What these arm chair socialists don't realize, is that nobody in Vietnam is complaining about Nike sweatshops; people are complaining about the government. Even today, the Communist Party do nothing but obstruct the people from climbing out of poverty, while failing to adequately perform the most basic governmental responsibilities. Roads, hospitals etc. are a disgrace.
... well at least it's not as bad as Cambodia.
JohnColt 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy Finally, WWII was started by the National Socialist German Workers party, the NAZIS. They nationalized major industries, banks, and the media. They restricted travel, micromanaged and propagandized education, and spent huge amounts of money on their military. These are all characteristics of socialism and communism. Hitler killed thousands of marxists, not because he disagreed with them, but because they competed with him by offering a similar system.
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
Hitler was not a socialist. People like Ford and Krupp supported him because Hitler brought wealth to the owning class.
Communism is classless and stateless. So those aren't signs of communism.
Socialism is when THE WORKERS CONTROL THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION.
In nazi Germany, the workers did not control the means of production, so it wasn't socialist.
Because they competed with him? Ideologies aren't some kind of commodity to be bought and sold in the market.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
Also I do not want to re-create the USSR imperialism over Eastern Europe. I do not want to re-create the Russian KGB.
I just want to reduce authority. Both economic authority in the form of capitalism and state authority.
More people died because of capitalism than because of Marxism-Leninism.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy Look at Japan again. Before WWII, it was a socialist, totalitarian society. After we "conquered" them, they became a capitalist democracy. Will Japan ever get into a war of conquest again? No. Look at Germany. Under the Socialist Nazi regime, they raped and plundered. Post-WWII, we set them up to be a Capitalist democracy. Will we ever go to war with Germany again? No, because we trade with them and attacking them would be shooting ourselves in the foot.
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
Japan was capitalist. If you disagree, please supply evidence that in Japan the workers controlled the means of production.
Socialist Nazi regime? Socialist Nazi is an oxymoron. You're either fascist or socialist. You can't be both.
Capitalist democracy is also an oxymoron. Capitalism is inherently hierarchal and anti-democracy.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy If you want to talk about sustainability, look at Greece, Italy, and Spain. They have so many socialist policies that they are going bankrupt.
The USSR was spending over 50% of their GDP on their military when their people were starving by the millions. China has an average annual income of $1,058, but they spent $40 billion on the olympics. History has shown that the only stable, high income economies have all been free-market capitalists.
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
Greece, Italy and Spain are capitalist. The means of production are privately owned.
Free market capitalism has never existed, if you disagree, please supply evidence.
The USSR had to spent money on military. They were being forced by the US. If they had not spent that money on military the US would just have outgunned them.
They were both embargo'd by the rest of the world and were threatened by the US. That broke up the USSR.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy If you want to talk about imperialism, look at the USSR. They took over Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe and made puppet states. Look what they did to Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran. Lets look at what the USA did. After WWII, instead of dominating the Germans (like the rest of Europe did after WWI) we instituted the Marshal Plan and spent $40 billion on REBUILDING OUR ENEMIES COUNTRY. Look at American Samoa vs Samoa. Hawaii vs Tonga. SOUTH KOREA VS NORTH KOREA. Ect, Ect, Ect.
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
Look at Iran under Sjah rule. I know many Iranians who hate America because America put the Sjah in power so they could get oil.
Putting profits before people's life is what the US did in Iran.
In Afghanistan, same thing. Funding the taliban to destabilize the country and to provoke a Soviet Union invasion, just to justify a war in Vietnam.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy I am sorry, but your definitions of "factors of production" and "capital ownership" as defined by Marx has been proven wrong by history. Once workers "own the factors of production" they aren't workers anymore.
Socialism is where the government controls major industries in an economy (greece, spain, ect).
If america is such a terrible place, then why are people risking their lives to immigrate here by the millions?
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
That is incorrect.
Once the capital is in common ownership, it isn't capital anymore.
Socialism is when the workers control the means of production.
Spain is capitalist, it has been capitalist since 1939.
Greece has always been capitalist.
Because America is making all of the other places even worse. They drop napalm on Vietnam, they nuke Japan. They make other countries a hell.
You need to read up on economics.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy Ah, economics. Strangely, I am nearly done with my undergraduate in Economics at one of the top 3 Econ programs at the University level. I wont tell you which one, but this is what John List (a graduate professor at the top Phd program in the world) said: “I can honestly say that of all the universities around the world, the top undergraduate economics majors at... are consistently at the top of the pile in terms of readiness to matriculate to the University of Chicago,”
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy "capital in common ownership." Who owns the capital in the USA? Who owns Microsoft? Thousands of individual shareholders. Who owns the capital in the major industries of Greece? The government. Who is in charge of the "public good" in socialist government? A select few in power. The more public major industries become, the more concentrated the command over capital. Why do some people think that big corporations will screw you but big government won't? They are one and the same
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
The capital in the USA is owned by capitalists.
Thousands of shareholders doesn't make something common ownership, I don't know how you got that idea.
The government is not the worker, a government does not include all of the people. So it is not common ownership.
There are also socialist systems without government.
Big government and big corporations are the same, both promote slavery.
You are stuck with the idea that people need a boss.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy I am afraid that the data is against you. Since intervention by the USA, England, France, West Germany, Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Iraq Afghanistan, Poland, Austria, Italy, Greece, and many more countries have seen higher GDP growth, higher GDP per capita, higher literacy rates, higher womens suffrage, increased international trade, lower death rates, and on. The only exceptions has been places like Iran and Viet Nam where we failed in our objectives.
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
We call the American intervention in Vietnam the 'American Holocaust', how many people killed would make the Vietnam war a succes?
In Greece the people were slaughtered by the Americans after WW2.
East Germany was bombed till nothing was left. Dresden was completely destroyed.
1 Out of 12 people in Afghanistan are now addicted to opium.
Japan was nuked, killing 250.000 instantly. A lot of the babies born today have mutations because of the radiation.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy Lets assume your numbers and history is correct (which it isn't). Even if it is, how does this even begin to compare to the 100,000,000 + killed by Marxist-Leninism in the 20th century? 100 million! Thats California+Oregon+Washington+Nevada+Idaho+Utah+Montana+Wyoming !! Dead in less than a century!!
wasatchwindows 1 year ago
@wasatchwindows
In capitalist India more people were killed in the same time period.
Capitalism killed 1billion people total.
The second thing is: who the fuck cares?
I am not a Marxist-Leninist, I am a libertarian socialist.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy laisze fare capitalism and colonialism killed those people. not regulated or fair trade capitalism. get the view that capitalism is monolithic and fundementally evil out of your head, it makes us leftists look bad.
chrispollock 1 year ago
@chrispollock
Please tell me your tendency.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy tendency?
chrispollock 1 year ago
@chrispollock
Ideology.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
Correction: the IPRI list has been updated for 2010 and now includes 125 countries. The top 10 are now: Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland, New Zealand, Singapore, Australia, Austria. But the conclusion is still the same: rich countries protects private property rights, while poor countries does not. Interestingly; the Scandinavian countries are in the top 5.
RickSteien 1 year ago
The International Property Rights Index (IPRI) lists 115 countries according to how well they protect private property. Top 10 on the IPRI-list: Finland, Netherlands, Denmark, New Zealand, Sweden, Germany, Norway, Switzerland, Australia, Austria. These are all rich countries. Bottom 10 on the IPRI-list: Paraguay, Azerbaijan, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Chad, Venezuela, Guyana, Burundi, Zimbabwe, Angola, Bangladesh. These are all poor countries.
RickSteien 1 year ago
It is not about oil. Sweden and Denmark has no oil, but they are still rich countries. Norway has oil, but so does Venezuela. Norway is rich, but Venezuela is poor. The problem is lack of private property rights in poor countries. Norway has a high IPRI-score (8.3), while Venezuela has one of the lowest (3.2).
RickSteien 1 year ago
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RickSteien 2 years ago
All rich countries has market economy and protects private property rights. That´s why they are rich. This include the Scandinavian countries, and all other countries with a mixed economy. Market economy and private property is a very important part of this system. It is the market economy that creates the wealth. The socialist part of the system only redistribute the wealth. Wealth must be created before it can be redistributed, and thats why a social system will never work without capitalism.
RickSteien 2 years ago
@Perserus:
"What is really comes down to is understanding how economy works. Nobody who does, ridicules capitalism, end of story."
Si what you are saying here is that our prime minister, who wrote one of the most ackowledged social economy papers in Norwegian history, knows absolutely nothing about economy. I cannot be bothered arguing with someone that ignorant. Let's just leave it at the fact that we disagree. However, Norway is successful, and is not something that can be denied.
petternitter 2 years ago
And what is even more absurd is that we are in the middel of a world recession, which we have hardly felt any impact of, and you still think that pissing away the funds from oil would have been the better choice. We would be as fucked as the rest of them if we had done it how the right-winged wanted to. Not acknowledging this is pure ignorance.
petternitter 2 years ago
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Perserus 2 years ago
Norway, where I live, has the highest standard of living in the world, and it is impossible (no, I am not overexagurating - it actually is) to be homeless in my country. You will be provided with an apartment and money to survive from the goverment if your other option is to be homeless. Norway is run, and mainly built, but the social democratic party The Norwegian Labour Party, which is not a socialist party, but a mix between socialism and social liberalism. Learn from us, capitalism sucks.
petternitter 2 years ago
@petternitter
dust.
Perserus 2 years ago
@Perserus: ouch.
petternitter 2 years ago
@petternitter
In regards of natural resources, Norway is one of the richest, if not The richest. Mainly oil and natural gas, electricity through waterfalls, and thus also a center for melting metal in the world, and also the most amount of fish per capita.
But of course, the welfare state is the source of all our wealth.
I live in Norway too, and we are in complete disagreement.
Perserus 2 years ago
@Perserus:
Yes, some people have an issue with sharing wealth that is beyond me. Futhermore, I find it weird that when you live in such a well functioning society, and see how capitalism has fail so terribly elsewhere, that you still can truly believe it is the better option. But it all pans down to ones moral standards.
petternitter 2 years ago
@petternitter Would be nice if every country has 1/3 of it's gdp income from oil as Norway has. Eliminate the oil income and your country would be 33% poorer, and you would have to reform as Sweden did.
markinu 1 year ago
@petternitter How did Socialism give you the natural resources you have, explain how?
markinu 1 year ago
The left winged are spending minimal funds from the oil fund, saving it for future generations, whilst with the economical plan presented from the largest right winged party has budgeted to spend the entire oil fund of I-don't-know-how-many-billion-dollars in 40 years, so that the richest people in Norway can get even richer and at the same time making conditions for the poorest (whom at this moment in time with a left winged government aren't even poor compared to poor Americans) even worse.
petternitter 1 year ago
What does this have to do with capitalism?
One can be a complete moron and still thrive in a country with lots of natural resources like Norway. The real genius is having a country with very few natural resources like Honk Kong, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea and still thrive. These are not socialst countries by any means.
It's not llike the oil is going to last forever, it's better to reinvest it, rather than save it for pension funds. A farmer that eats the seeds is not very wise.
markinu 1 year ago
@1968triathlonchamp
"It doesn't exist at the moment. Therefore, it is not feasible."
Nice logic there. =)
puccinifan 2 years ago
This is propagandist bull shit. The poor could never dream of competing in any global market. This is smokey-mirrors.
mrcarlos15 2 years ago
its funny how the same politicians who are "champions of the poor" ie welfare, and other social programs are the same politicians who create the regulations that keep them down
fdny9682 2 years ago 14
But but but... those regulations keep us SAFE!!
highonhayek 2 years ago
I know dude, statists are nuts
fdny9682 2 years ago
@fdny9682 hey there ... this man is peruvian and I am peruvian too. I can guarantee you that, He is NOT politician.
kumpeligor 1 year ago
@kumpeligor I know hes not. I love this guy
fdny9682 1 year ago
@fdny9682 Would you give some examples?. Because if you call "keep them down" to a wider access to education, health care, food, and participation, then I would like to know in which magical world you're living in.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 Wider access to GOVERNMENT education. All those liberal big cities and their horrible school systems. Wider access to education except vouchers for private school right? Gotta protect those teachers unions. Food from welfare, which pays people to be poor and destroyed the african american family. And the same government that puts increases mandates on healthcare providers therefore inceasing prices. Thats great for the poor!!!!
fdny9682 11 months ago
@fdny9682 So, the goverment are the ones doing the 'teaching', or is the teachers doing the teaching?. Come one!, grow up. Education in the private sector is just as bad that the one in the public sector of the U.S, unlike European education, in which students score higher grades than american. Still, in blue states people are more likely to be college graduates, unlike red states, in which crime is even higher. Also, under blue goverments, economic growth have been higher.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 Put mexico on europes boarder and tell me how good their schools are in twenty years. You never challanged my point on the destruction of the african american family from welfare. By paying people to stay in one class? By paying fathers to leave. By paying women to be pregnant. And dont give me that bullshit about increased numbers of college grads and making that synonimous with being more educated. My generation has the most college Grads in the history of this country
fdny9682 11 months ago
@fdny9682 Do you actually believe it is a "challenge" to say "food from welfare....... destroyed the african american family"? Where's the challenge?. Europe already have a tremendous flow of immigrants from the middle east and africa, so there's the parallel. Also, allow me to teach you that there's 52 states, and only a handful have a substantial number of hispanics, despite being the largest minority.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@fdny9682 And it seems to me that you're saying "put mexico on europes border" because of our ethnicity, rather than our legal status, which one is it?
African american families destroyed african american families, stop blaming it on other peoples or social programs. Poor hispanic families receive goverment assistance and they're not facing your alleged "family destruction", asian families don't face it either.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@fdny9682 Hispanics and other minorities are doing better than black people, the problem of african american problem is called African American self-steam. You people kepp living in the past.
If you go to the hospital without money, and you get medical care, are the doctors paying you to be sick?. Goverment assistance to the poor is not "paying" them to be poor, it defies reason and logic to say something so idiotic as that, it is to mitigate the misery they're already in, ...........
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@fdny9682 ........but it seems that for you, letting people starve and bleed to death is part of a healthy society.
So.... a psychologist or a computer scientist is not a professional according to you?. Just listen to you!. Yes, goverment dictates curriculum, but it have been in republican goverments that science literacy have declined, specially with that "scientific" creationism, and all that biblical untenable garbage.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
I would hardly call tens of thousands of people with communications and psychology degrees educated. And yes the teachers teach but the government dictates curriculum, does the hiring, allocates the money, and passes bullshit pseudo intellectual idealogy like "social promotion" to pass kids on to the next level who cant read. 3rd graders can put a condom on a banana but cant spell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fdny9682 11 months ago
@fdny9682 Liberals support steam-cell research, evolution, and are against goverment intervention in education except for the payment. That kids can't read properly is mostly thanks to republicans focus on teaching kids not to have sex life rather than scientific research.
You're FULL of it.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 That was the most insane response to any comment Ive ever read on youtube.
fdny9682 11 months ago
@fdny9682 I just responded to what you wrote, and all of the sudden I'm the bad guy? Come one my friend!, be a man and accept your arguments have no leg to stand on.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 Dude there are 50 states, not 52.And how are all those middle eastern immigrants doing in europes schools? Liberals are against govt intervention in schools except to pay? Whats tenure? Whats social promotion? Teachers dont pic the curriculum bureacrats do. The literacy rate and graduation rate of inner city schools was much higher prior to sex ed so cut the shit. Whats science is being taught in city schools where the graduation rates are 50, 30 20 % when the kids cant read?
fdny9682 11 months ago
@fdny9682 Maybe I got confused because of Puerto Rico and District of Columbia. Could you quote where I wrote that because of immigrants the schools are doing good?. I wrote in response to something you said, that just as the U.S have a substantial number of immigrants, Europe have it too, yet, their literacy is higher.
Your complaint about liberals is in reality about technicallities, social promotion is about diversity tolerance, that's why.......
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@fdny9682 ......in liberal states there's better ethnic relationships. That teachers don't pic the curriculum.... can be shifted, it's called reforms. I don't see why you have to bitch so much about.
Teen pregnancy is higher in republican states!, despite their jihad against sex... hehehe. Yes, the school system is in trouble nationwide, but the school system is more effective in liberal states, we have higher graduation rate than in republican mouth-frothing states.
It is you who have to...
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 Republican states have liberal cities. Better ethnic relationships? what the fuck does that mean? Here in new york the blacks asians and hispanics LOVE each other? The hispanics are divided among themselves. The dominicans hate haitians. Puerto ricans hate dominicans and they all hate Mexicans? Come to work with me ONE day. Go into a government housing project and government school and see all the lovely people on government assistance living in utopia!
fdny9682 11 months ago
@fdny9682 Your inability to understand to what yo read makes you push things to the edges. Once again, you keep responding to things I have not said, because that way, you'll actually have something to respond to. I never said that everybody lives together on a bed of roses, I never wrote anything remotely close to the word utopia; I said that there's more tolerance amongst us than in republican runned states. I live in nyc too, in manhattan to be more specific, and there's no war or anything.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@fdny9682 There are some fight, which is to be expected, even in africa where everybody is black, you people are killing each other for no good reason. Perhaps you're one of those kind of blacks who still live in the past, in the slavery era, and the reveange of today that makes you see things that way. Sad. Dominicans and Haitians have a history of territorial conflict; puerto ricans feel that they're been invaded by dominicans, ......
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@fdny9682 ......the same way americans feel they're been invaded by hispanics, etc. etc. but all these conflicts dillutes when they become more liberal, and people become more liberal they they're more educated, just as religion, the more secular a society is..... the more just and rational it becomes because they start questioning their core values, unlike religion and right-wingers. Destruction, but how?, thanks to the goverment this country became the power it is today,.........
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 Thanks to the government getting out of the way of the people and people being free to live free and keep what they earn it became great. But we have had an influx of breeding, savage thieves from foreign lands who bitch about diparity the second they get here and steal and rob. children dont beg in the streets here, they beg at the welfare office, at the school, at the emergency room and rob from producers. Why better yourself when government pays you to stay poor
fdny9682 11 months ago
@fdny9682 ......same ones who to get where they are received subsidies, protection from foreing competition while being in their 'Infant' state, who prefer to hire hispanics instead of blacks because we're more productive, and then these same producers sit back and watch you play the movie "They take "our" (as if you bought it) jobs". And the goverment is NOT paying you to stay poor, stay sick, or starve by giving you assistance; they're mitigating these social illnesses.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@fdny9682 It is true that in some cases the U.S have fostered counterproductive result out of this, specially in the multicultural area, but this is solved through reforms, not eradication. The only way you can have some valid ground about this matter, is if you argue for revisions of the current state, you're not actually tackling the principles.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 Multicultural? you mean black and hispanic? Because whites dont have culture i guess. Thank god this entitlement shit didnt destroy my grandparents and mom because they actually had to be responsible. the government didnt subsidize poverty back then
fdny9682 11 months ago
@fdny9682 So that's it?, that is the kind of discourse you're suited to?.... I address every single thing you write and your responses are nothing else than drawning splashes in the water!, oh wait... I forgot you were black... now it makes sense!, my "nigga".
Where did I suggest the exclusion of white people?, or where did I suggest that white people don't have culture, or the like?. Nowhere!, only inside the little nappy head of yours that read things I haven't writen.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 Take a half hour and youtube Walter Williams good intentions and see the destruction of these polocies. And by the way, these policies have an effect on every racial demographic. Families are being destroyed everywher due to failing education and the sexualisation of children. The more the family is destroyed the better for liberal poiticians. Because when the family is gone people turn to government
fdny9682 11 months ago
@fdny9682 .....it is thanks to the goverment that we don't see children begging for money on the street like in my country, or people dying from treatable diseases. It is the goverment that have created the enviroment for industries to develope. I'll the documentary, but do yourself a favor, read this book about republican vs liberal families: Red Families v. Blue Families: Legal Polarization and the Creation of Culture.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 Look at all those liberal families in Harlem, oh wait it depends on how you define family. No there not begging in the streets, there begging at the welfare office, calling 911 for a runny nose, destroying the schools, joining gangs and ripping off their own people. Impregnating their women and abandoning them. Going to jail. but they're not begging!!! There listening to salsa music and playing dominos all night and pissing in the elevator
fdny9682 11 months ago
@fdny9682 ......and you point your nasty finger at me without remorse! hahahahaha...... you're the pot screaming to the kettle black! hehehe....
So, people dying in their homes or the emergency room (just like it used to be in my country before the left wing goverment of Correa) because they can't afford care seems more appealing to you?. Sky high rates of illiteracy seems more appealing to you?. Kids living in the streets and live exposed to its dangers seems more appealing to you?.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@fdny9682 Kids starving and begging in the street seems more appealing to you, eh?! Then move back to africa where you actually belong, damn trash-writing machine!. And if you want the same, but just at a considerably far lower rate, move to Latin America. Oh wait, you'll stay here because you want to get "paid" for it, and since in africa people don't get "paid" for being poor, there's no poor people liing in extreme misery over there. Which producers are you talking about?, the......
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 No people not breeding poor kids because thier pregnant when their 17 and their 30 year old boyfriend leaves is more apealing to me. Keepin you third world fucks out is more appealing to me so my bills arent so high an the doctors office. Looking at once nice neighborhoods that were destroyed by you animals who dont know what a garbage can is and think the elevator is a urinal is appealing to me. Not payingfor the education of your undisciplined,fatherless kids is appealing!!!!
fdny9682 11 months ago
@fdny9682 So, regarding kids on the streets, people dying in the emergency room (in laissez-faire), africans livings in the most extreme living conditions, high rates of illiteracy, and my suggestion for you to move to those places because they don't get "paid" to be poor, your answer is that we should worry more about teen pregnancy, (legal or ilegal) hispanic immigrants?!! Are you on medication or something?
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@fdny9682 You say that you want "third world fucks" like hispanics out of the U.S right?, then you should start with black people in this country, who despite living in the land of "opportunities", your living standard is that of a third world. Every other minority is going ahead of you. How many times do I have to repeat to you that blacks have higher rates in crime, unemployment, and education than ANY other minority?.... and how many times will you keep avoiding the discussion of..........
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@fdny9682 .........this kind of stuff up that you brought up, and can't handle it!. You say that your bills are high because of immigrants using medical services, let me remind you that the real reason is behind the medical mafia, the needlees protectionism from foreing physicians, and the lack of a UHC is what makes your bills high. But you're too slow to understand that, eh.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@fdny9682 Since your parents failed at teaching you how to keep civil discussions with people, and since you keep dodging my responses to your republican untenable garbage and my challenge for you to tackle the principles (not technicallities), no meaningful exchange will pan out until you do so. For now, I'll dismiss you as a raver and a wacky ranter. And I'm writing this with all the derision and contempt you deserve.
You're messing with the wrong spic, compadre.
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Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 When did I ever say I was a republican, I'm not. You still havent told me what you thought of the video I suggested........Spic
fdny9682 11 months ago
@fdny9682 Also, 2 economy books 'Kicking Away the Ladder', and 'How Rich Countries Got Rich, and Why Poor Countries Stay Poor'.
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Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@Rodriguez8611 No wonder you dont get my points. Looking at your profile your just another south American communist immigrant. What cesspool neighborhood do you live in NYC? Everywhere you go you fucking destroy. All you know is thivery, but instead of a gun or knife you use government. Enjoy your cycle of poverty that you tout for your own people. Born in a project and you'll die in one. Because government paid you to stay there. I see a lot mommy pushing baby strollers in your
fdny9682 11 months ago
@fdny9682 That I'm communist?! how did get to that conclusion?.... hehehe..... You're the typical wacky ranter that can only come up with that same old cliche when it comes to liberals. Yes, I'm southamerican and an immigrant, but don't worry about me taking "your" job, I can get one on my own. So please, don't blame me for your failures. And fortunately, I don't live in a "cesspool", I live in 94th St, unlike most black people in this city in which you rank highest in unemployment and crime.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@fdny9682 But hey, it's hispanics, whites, asians, arabics, indians fault!. Oh wait!, it's the goverment's. Oh my goodness, I forgot, it's because of slavery. Oh no, it's because hispanics are taking "your" jobs..... yeah, that's why of your failures. Shame on me!
You say that wherever we go we destroy?! what?. We have higher employment rates than you, lower crime rates than you, less divorce rates than you, far lower ethnic hate crimes than you. But not just us, other ethnicities as well,.....
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@fdny9682 ....."cut the shit". It is you who come up with retarded things like "destroyed african american families", or "paying them to be poor", I can't believe a human being can be that stupid to say something like that about the poor. Troll.
Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
@fdny9682 have you looked up de sotos views on all the arguments ive made. this man overwhelmingly agrees with me. and can you tell me more about that black self esteem problem i cause
fdny9682 11 months ago
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Rodriguez8611 11 months ago
I don't know anything about the difference between legal, illegal and what is called extralegal. It's all hipochrisy to me and I don't care about it.
envanje 2 years ago
@envanje you should be proud dude. even though it's explained in the video, and could have been understood after a simple google search, you managed to remain ignorant.
bisek 2 years ago
Nice commercial BAR association!
thodal2000 2 years ago
Having actually worked and lived in many of these shantytowns, I've got to say that he is spot on.
Registering a business in Peru - and throughout Latin America - is a ridiculous exercise when compared to the U.S., taking up to a year and absurd amounts of labor to get the paperwork done. It's not just a lack of automation - it's a deeply corrupt and inefficient system.
So people work "outside" the system. The government doesn't get its taxes, and the people often lack legal protections...
helpscott2002 2 years ago 9
@helpscott2002 in other words they work under the table. not a new idea.
MrBlimbo 1 year ago
@MrBlimbo You're missing the point. The "table" is thrown out the window. The government makes it far, far too difficult for the average person to open a business and operate it legally. The requirements are ridiculous.
So the response is to ignore the law entirely and create a new, ad-hoc system that is easier to enter into. Rather than bribe a bureaucrat to get a license and wait a year, they open shop and operate.
This isn't "under the table" in the classic sense.
helpscott2002 1 year ago
The simple solution to the health care dilema is to alllow states the freedom to open more med schools and more law schools.
when the supply of doctors and lawyers normalizes then the people can have affordable health care and lawsuits wil nno longer plague the doctors because competition will force down the amount of lawsuits costs
the ABA and AMA along with the ANA have restricted the normal supply of doctors lawyers and nurses
free the states to meet their OWN demand and prices will drop
stameyjd 2 years ago 2