OMG!!! you're an arrested development fan too? I loved that part! Rita, right? She was so cool!
yet it did take me a while to get what they were getting at...
MRF... mentally retarded female...
also Mr. F, short for Mr. Funke, who is Tobias...
Finally, i've found a youtuber who will know what i'm talking about when i start dancing like an oddball chicken, or say any of the repeated lines like "I've Made a huge mistake." or "Her?"
Excellent point! I myself deal with this issue on a daily basis. Due to a series of traumatic events during early childhood development, I have no problem writing out my thoughts on paper in a very clear and concise way. The problem is when I try to form these thoughts into words and say them to someone, (stutter up the ying yang)! And it's generally difficult to find the right words when speaking. People treat me VERY differently for it. Again, great stuff! Keep it up!
i'm very animated in my speech and use my body a lot -people who meet me when i'm like this probably don't suspect that i'm actually also pretty intense and thorough in my internal life -it might be easy to think of me as a childlike,capricious clown with barely anything up top.I've been influenced by the notion of intelligent brits too-but what i discovered is simply that their reserved,controlled,unanimated speech is not necessarily reflective of intelligence-in fact,it's quite dull!hehe
"capacity". So, a person's "speech", as well as all other behavior, represents the manifestation of an "intelligence quotient". The whole thing is heinously dehumanizing but with fuckheads like Dennett and Dawkins flying off the shelves - hey, what can you expect?
So, in proper order, we've explored "facutly psychology", "behaviorism", "cognitive psychology", and a more humanist discipline from Gadamer. But it's just simply NOT behaviorism - sorry. But nice video, and as always, thanks.
accuracy and thoroughness): I was right when I originally remarked that this simply cannot be "behaviorism". Behaviorism doesn't give a damn about "internal intelligence"...all it measures is external operations. There would be no "intelligence" short of successful management within the environment. SOOO...
You need to change this around, edit it, etc. A more accurate diagnosis is "cognitive psychology", where outward behavior results from internal "intelligence" defined strictly as...
By the way, I salute you for never changing shirts. Honestly. Same here.
Okay! I consider the topic closed. It's taken me a few months of intermittent commentary, but so far we've covered the flaws in both your account and Mast's. While yours come from focusing only one philosophical view to the detrimental exclusion of others, his are founded on pure bigotry and naivete. Heh. Forgive me my warranted jabs.
By the way, one last point (yes I must belabor everything for the sake of...
and thus subsume the particular entity in our perception under a conceptual (begriff) category. We find this descriptivist point in those awful new robots of Rodney Brooks and company.
However, your point here concerns discrimination, and I agree that assessing another's intelligence through overt social behavior is...well...pretty fucking fallacious. I, for example, have a Southern drawl. This has not at all prevented me from demonstrating my so-called "intelligence" on several occasions.
I don't need to tell you that true aphasia is indistinguishable from real cognitive deficits, and is in fact synonymous with them. The onomic (from όνομο) act, as Merleau-Ponty points out (Body as Expression and Speech) is in general a categorical operation. To "name" something, one must "tear oneself away" from the particular and ascend to the general, whether through comprehension of essences (ουσία or ἒιδος or, I would add, Russellian-style "descriptions")...
NAILED IT, FUCKER! Allow me to revive our discussion form a few months ago.
"The traditionaly cognitivist approach...is mentalistic and individualistic. Intelligence is regarded as a matter of individual mental *capacities*, and the intelligence exhibited in outward behavior [speaking with regard to prosody, articulation, fluency, etc., here, for example] is regarded as derivative, as merely the expression of this inner capacity".
--Beth Preston, "Heidegger and Artificial Intelligence"
DAMN .. He just OWNED this dude with facts and he defended his facts with a common sense discussion. And he didn't have to cuss or raise his voice or put anyone down. VERY VERY well done.
wow.. lol.. u just reminded me of a french teacher i had.. he talked really bad.. if it helps thats not why i hated him... he threw a shoe at me.. but ur video is amazing and so true!
i thought that too... something about the gestures with the hands and eyebrows, mouth, or something...
Anyway, thank you azrienoch, i usually feel more enlightened after watching your vids, and if not that than always highly entertained. This is no exception on both counts.
As a bona fide southerner, I can attest to the fact that my place of birth has brought me no small amount of ridicule and patronization. It gets OLD. It's refreshing to see someone actually address the issue.
Ah, this also reminds me of the "Mongolian idiot" label (because people from Mongolia are stupid? what?) that was given to people with Down syndrome in the old days... sickening.
Our language is too politically correct, maybe if we could call people idiot, dimwit, moron, retarted, we'd have more pigeon holes to put people in and less room for our minds to make assumptions.
So in Mast's putative causal correlation between language facility and intelligence there is an outmoded blunder, as we both agree. But in your counter-argument, the same may hold true. It is of the highest importance to move away from this embarrassing subject-faculty distinction via a proper understanding of gestural expressions (Merleau-Ponty) and constitutive modes of being (Gadamer), just as Husserl neatly disposes of the mistaken and untenable subject-object distinction. Back in a week.
but I do (unfortunately) thing it important to embark on an echo of Gadamer here by gently admonishing each of you: Intelligence, just as in the case of articulation, creativity, and volubility with regard to langauge, is no facultative function of some deeper subject. Intelligence IS the subject, if there be one, and language IS thought...at least, a very specific sort of thought. It will be important to here understand that categorical, logical, and poetic thinking are all linguistic.
Now, in the above articulation and phraseology, I have betrayed a fundamental misconception concerning the relationship of language and intelligence (this will bring me to my point, thankfully).
The assumption not expressed in Merleau-Ponty but certainly present in both Mast's account and your counter is that language is a faculty, just as is intelligence. Now, I'm sure I don't have lecture you on the abysmal pitfalls and humiliating pratfalls of all faculty psychology in the vein of Kant...
Okay - updates on our brief disagreement concerning terminology. A nontrivial matter, I think you'll agree.
Merleau-Ponty, following Heidegger who followed Nietzsche (who followed Herder) notes that while we may not "think IN language", we most certainly "think WITH language". Now there are sorts of thinking which of course are paralinguistic. But much of our documented and codified conceptualizations of mental handicaps do in fact correlate to diminished linguistic faculties. (continued)
This was excellent! As the mother of a retarded daughter and good friend of someone with CP, I thought you tackled this issue perfectly, and how cool to use other tubers as examples. I will check them out. Thanks!
I avoid saying it on Youtube because I KNOW some stupid Creationists are gonna use it against me. Hell, there's a few people on Youtube who just hate me because I'm Australian!
I have a mental condition but I think if anything because of it I'm actually smarter than most people. I basically have trouble understanding anything that's illogical. Kinda like a Volkien.
Just for the record, British retarded people sound pretty much the same as American retarded people. It's true that some "retarded" people can reason fine and aren't stupid, I've met some. The racist redneck stereotype has been around for ages, its probably been that way since the American civil war, of course they all aren't racist though.
His arguement is fine by me though, these dumbass' who try perpetuating the lie that Obama is a Muslim are annoying. What's more annoying is that some people actually believe it.
I had similar thoughts about ChristopherMast's video, and it was nice to see such an intelligent response which also flushes out a related subject. Although I didn't care about his Farm King hat :p
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Hello Azrienoch, I read your book "The Absurdity of Philosophy" a couple of weeks ago and I thought it was interesting and well written. Some of your ideas are okay, but I don't agree with all of them though.
Oh, and I really do admire anyone with the substantial thought and assiduity to write a book. I hope that doesn't sound like empty patronization. And you had points I agree with. I don't think it's only blogworthy - I didn't mean to give that intimation. I do realize that any public criticism leaves me open to inane rejoinders of WELL WHERE'S YOUR BOOK GUFFAW HEE HEE, so let me shirk this one if you don't mind. Able execution, all in all, and look forward to more. Hugs and kisses.
I honestly don't know *if* anything is wrong with it. I just know that such aptitude attributions fall under several rubrics, not merely the Skinnerian. If that is the case then it seems limitive to group it as simply "behaviorism". I'm sure there's a ummm...more apt term for this method of attribution? For instance, this adequation between intelligence and speaking occurs not only in behaviorist accounts, but in psychoanalytic, cognitivist, etc. But I won't niggle, baby. It's good work!
But okay, yeah - off the hook and no vicious adbuction of disadvantaged others holds. Continue the great shaming of youtubers and the Rational Response Squad (a.k.a., fascist totalist aescetics). Viva Trotsky. Blah blah blah. And thanks for sticking up (inadvertendly) for regional dialects everywhere, contingently subsuming extensionally my own. It's interesting how my online posts are regarded as reflective of greater intelligence than my sonorous language, inexplicably.
And at root I'm just reeling from the novelty (or maybe solecism?) of this use of "behaviorism". I can't recall exactly what a new usage is termed (not neologism - we know that's different) so if anyone knows please shoot that my way, but is behaviorism really the right term here? Can you slide me the signified clinician? (Lyotard joke)
I'm most prepared to class this as a species of attribution error, which gets into capacity attribution theories. I don't know if that's the same.
Seriously, what's wrong with it? Two psych courses and a lot of pertinent philosophy later, and the presentation I've given here, while simple, is consistent with what I've learned.
I'm sure some sort of inverse can be formulated against those who form evaluations based on idiolects. There's a latent witticism fused with a pun lurking somewhere in there, I bet.
But as a slack-jawed gape-mouthed drooling Southerner myself struggling to climb out of the crab pit, I have onl to remark that Cormac McCarthy and William Faulkner had quite the drawl, and the Obey Giant campaign was birthed in Charleston, SC.
I'll take those as standing refutations of Mast's idiocy.
I still find it entirely disagreeable, if only for the rather crude and calloused gauchery. But perhaps it's only lack of tact and refinement if they agreed. Still, I'd expect better from you.
And why didn't you just go with our old pal against me!?: "whoever thinks in words thinks as a speaker and not as a thinker (it reveals that fundamentally he doesn't think of things or think factually, but only in relation to things, that he really is thinking of himself and his listeners)." -FWN
I'm not going against you. I agree with you. But I don't think your opposition here is at all contrary to what I've said. As for expecting more... why? You relegated my book to the blogosphere. I don't know why you're holding me to this standard... I don't even know what this standard is, where it comes from, or what it has to do with me.
And if Mast is a shithead (which he is) I might further remark that your insensitive treatment and even exploitation of others in this response is fuckheaded. I can parse out the nuances for you later if required.
In parting, "hey" again, glad to see you're still kicking, and we'll discuss your book after I'm finished with Levinas and Schophenauer. Should be about five years.
Parse what you want, these people agreed to appear in this video and praised what I had to say. If "fuckheaded" means considerate in regards to how they feel, then yeah, I'm fuckheaded, but otherwise no.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. Behaviorism? How about aphorism 257 of Daybreak (or Dawn, whichever you prefer), "Body as Expression and Speech" by Merleau-Ponty, or just about any theory of aphasia? "Difficulty putting things into words" can in specific cases mark deterioration or, perhaps in better, more accurate language, debilitated categorical thinking. While this is not the case in anarthia, it remains quite true that a difficulty with language can coincide with compromised mental faculties.
Yes, behaviorism. I'm not at all saying that it doesn't happen. Hell, if retarded people didn't talk the way they many do, Ryan, for example, wouldn't have a problem. Behaviorism prescribes a certain necessary relationship to human psychology on the whole, and that prescription is incorrect. Actual indications of someone's psyche through language and behavior happen, yes, but not necessarily, and I'm using that to say that such discriminations as Mast employed are unfair.
No one cries for the red necks and trailer trash, Az. It is socially acceptable to hate Caucasians. That's a lucky thing for me, because I fucking hate white people. Those fuckers have burnt me on multiple business deals and are always trying to cheat me out of money. Plus, most of the idiot politicians that have fucked up this country are white.
WOW...i get your point about linguistic discrimination BUT by using video of mentally challenged people to make your point...you actually validated his point WHILE negating his message.
AND smart move NOT putting a video of someone who speaks Ebonics...lol.
ChristopherMast's tonality was suggesting a lack of education, not a lack of intelligence.
The overwhelming majority of accents - from ebonic to cockney to southern - which people possess come from a lack of character; which means a lack of education. They rely on slang, dont enunciate, etc.
ChristopherMast was insinuating that anyone who is "proud to be an American" must be uneducated, because, presumably, any educated person would know just how despicable this country is.
I should have, instead, searched my browser history for "Azrienoch" and realized just how pointless it is to attempt to discuss anything of signifigance with him.
Significant? What was significant about your point? I agree with your first bit and your last bit, and I said nothing to the contrary to either. It's the middle part I disagree with, and that's what I addressed. Don't waste my time if you don't actually want to talk.
"ChristopherMast was insinuating that anyone who is "proud to be an American" must be uneducated, because, presumably, any educated person would know just how despicable this country is."
You mean the government and the Bush Administration in particular. Don't confuse a land mass or a mass of three hundred million people with political bodies.
I was thinking about your video and enjoyed your insight. But something bothers me. You used to look alot sexier with your hair off your forehead and swept back. Am I wrong ? Why did you change your hair style? Iam genuinely curious. By the way, Iam not trying to cleverly point out your discrimination between one choice of outward appearance and another.
Ah yes, point out his "linguistic discriminating" premise and exclude the other 99% of his video and conclude your response with a "statues discriminating" conclusion.
Fine work you intellectual elitist blow hard.
I'd like to rip that nose ring rite out of your prick ass face.
Well, why be so picky man? It was a great video with minuscule-iuos flaws - so be it. Don't club the man to death because of it. Nobody is perfect. Show some sense of degree - you know what I'm saying?
I'd still like to rip that nose ring out of your pretentious face.
I just thought I'd point that out, though it seemed you made that point in an offhand manner.
Behaviorism was most vocally espoused by John Watson and B.F. Skinner - stemming from the studies of Pavlov and Thorndike. It encompasses all forms of associative learning - both Pavlovian and operant. It's been the most fruitful theoretical framework in understanding learning in humans and animals and has had a major impact on applied psychology - almost all forms of therapy employ behaviorism.
I wonder now whether linguistic discrimination is a learned or acquired habit of an individual, or something that is so much of a societal norm, that it is adopted as appropriate fuel for parody. I start thinking of weather other cultures do the same, or if its a western thing. I know that in south Asia there are many different dialects of Mandarin. There's also a sort of hierarchy based on nationality, where dialect comes into play. I could ramble...
You never cease to amaze me! I'll start a Azrienoch religion which in some 500 years will threaten to kill everyone who does not believe that you are their personal savior... come to think of it it's probably not such a good idea =)
I like Christopher Mast, but I love this video. You make valid points, and you back them up well. As a southerner, I know very well about discrimination based on ones' accent. And I realize that it's difficult for someone from one geographic region to understand or relate to what someone from another region might think or feel... so I don't take it personally. I'm sure I discriminate as well, not meaning to of course, but we all do it in one way of another. It's something we need to work on.
P9: And that this is "a logical inconsistency on our part", i.e. that we may have considered the physically handicapped as not in fact morally degraded in some way - because the 12 inch dildo in your mind continually "hits on girls all the time" - resonates with certain historical catastrophes of the 20th century. Wrong - and may you work at Burger King for the rest of your life (never fear - all work is noble)!
After watching this video and a couple of Ryans videos today it caused me to think about how we, the non-handicapped, tend to assume that those who are handicapped in some form or another have good character and are genuinely good people. I was thinking about how there is a kid at my school who is about a foot tall who hits on girls all the time and a lot of people say hes a prick and stuff for it, but then we let "us" get away with these sortof actions fairly often, when "they" are no different
P9: Ha! Well, your comment strikes me as total shit. First off, after defining yourself as the "we" that is free of imperfections (the non-handicapped)you go on to caution others who may be something less than critical of the obviously handicapped. You claim, incredibly, that there is a "kid" at your school who is about a "foot tall" - that would be the size of 12 inch ruler (!) who hits on girls all the time. This is not a human - what human is 12 inches tall? (cont.)
You claim he is a "prick" - yes, something that is 12 inches tall is most likely a prick or a dildo - and you use this imaginary construct to show how the "they", those who are not the unhandicapped "us", may not be the angels that some lefty somewhere wants us to believe. This leads me to the conclusion that your hateful banality is most likely worse than most honest defects of nature.
Does 2 feet tall help? I'm not kidding, I don't know the name of the condition but he is incredibly short. Notice how I also put quotations over "us" and "them". Simply to point out the groups in the example. I understand that its not a correct one but it worked for the example. You assume I am hateful too... when I am simply pointing out a though that came to mind, I never claimed it to be correct but thank you for the input.t Troll?
Okay, I may have come on too strong here - but ... let's not forget Az's basic point which is to recognize and understand intelligence as it manifests itself among some who may look silly to us ... needless to say there may be a gap between understanding and commenting - but Az is leading us here to a good cause.
I understood his point well. I was just merely pointing out something I thought of. I didn't think I was way off base or anything I just kindof rambled about the Diego kid. And one of my previous comments was that it was a good subject for him to address.
I love the people you have mentioned in here. I work with people with developmental disabilities and it's amazing how people think they are so stupid but in reality their means of communication is often much slower than the pace to which their minds are working.
heeeeey thx for replying back so much it was just my computer i guess at the time btw great vid and i loved the vid it made alot of sense nice work :]
Okay, this video made me think of an addendum to something that I sent you under a different 'Tube name (specifically the reference to eubonics). Will email you when I'm a little drunker and ready to riff more freely.
Actually I appreciate it when people who speak Russian or Spanish slow down and over-enunciate so that I can figure out what they're saying. I've never noticed these people speaking more loudly, however.
Brilliant. I'm glad you brought this up, it's not addressed nearly enough.
You can see the same sort of discrimination toward the deaf community. Most people don't realize that American Sign Language is not equivalent to English and has a completely different syntax. So deaf people may have below-average English skills (especially written English) and are often characterized as unintelligent because of it.
Great stuff, Az. Of course, not all southern people are stupid, but dude, let me axe you: but why do the dumb ones's become President? And think they look cool in flight jackets in front of banners proclaiming, Mission Accomplished.
As a woman saddled with a southern accent, I THANK you for this. It always amazes me that people will pay more attention to how and not what I say. It's irritating.
Got me... for some reason I was trying to picture "oblique invertibrates." I had a nice image of a side-view of a tapeworm when I realized what you really said!
You don't get many bi or multi-lingual people using linguistic discrimination. Show me linguistic discrimination and I will show you a person who only speaks English. I am not discriminating against the uni-lingual because I am one of said people. I can however count to ten in French, German and Korean so in your face.
LOL, yeah, and really, this has recently become a pretty big thing in linguistics and anthropology, beginning with books like Foucault's "Madness and Civilization." Learning a bit about how languages change and eventually become new language leads people to a lot of the same conclusions.
What kind of an idiot would think Obama is a muslim? ...Proud to be an american!! where atleast i think i'm free..& i won't forget all the troops that died for stock piles of WMD (we never found)
retarded?????you shouldn't even use this word you moron.what is the definition of a retard? u r arguing for the sake of arguing. u r also contradicting urself by only using the word retard. fix the definition, let poeple know what ur side of logics than babble with your precious brain..
i go to school with a kid that has cerebral palsy that faces the same situation. he's a very intelligent and nice human being that gets overlooked and under appreciated. great vid az.
I absolutely enjoy watching all of your craziness Azrienoch, but I wonder where you got it all from. I mean, somethings you can't just read in a book, so it's kinda left with the other 95% of your experience. Was it like a miraculous reverse effect of being dropped on your head or something? Look, all I'm trying to say is maybe you could share a bit about where you were able to obtain such a non-bias current of thought, cuz I'm really tired of being so ignorant.
Well, thank you! I suppose a lot of it is just extrapolations of various things that you do read, playing with the ideas in the real world. There is some really interesting work being done right now on deviant englishes, like ebonics. I'd suggest "Language Myths" by Bauer and Trudgill, "The Language Revolution," by David Crystal, and for somthing more academic, "Sociolinguistic Variation," by Bayley and Lucas.
I doubt that Chris Mast was targeting southern people as much as he was the culture of ignorance that really is encouraged in many of those areas. I lived in a sick area of Texas for several months, and many people there look down on those who are educated. They also use words like "fancy" for things like books, suggesting that merely reading makes you a threat. There are a lot of head games and lots of jealousy, both of which lead to discrimination.
Interesting points, of course I agree with you. But where does it end? Every thought we have is "bigotted" against an idea we find disagreeable. This discussion reminds me of a book I read "Blink", by Malcolm Gladwell, We judge people immediately and that is how we are able to function. I emphasize the point that we have to make these judgements cuz to wait for objective analysis would prove too ineffecient for a relationship. We simply don't have to cling tightly to our pre-judgements.
I have an astounding command over language,but I'm going to a trade school because I can't spell to save my life. My fascination with linguistics and syntax are pushed to the limit on a daily bases. Endlessly surrounded by Oakies ,gangsters, valley girls and even a few semi-retarded people. Except none of these people have yet to dazel me with there shining intellect.
I mean that all in the most delightful way possible. :)
You are 100% right- CM is not stupid. I still give him kudos for attempting to make his point... I know he did a better job with it than I could have. I made as good of a case as I could via email. It takes balls to put it into a video- balls that I do not have. I stick to the funny because I have been typecast that way- can you imagine the uproar if I ever say anything intelligent on my own channel? OMG!
Does your friend (who sounds Russian) have a YouTube account? You make good points. 5 stars and favorited. I have funny looking eyes (one of which is somewhat mutilated), so people assume my brain doesn't work quite right. Well, I'm might be crazy, but I'm not stupid. I was talking in a stickam room with a disabled woman who's legs don't work well at all. People assume that because her legs don't funtion properly, neither does her brain. Odd assumptions.
my girlfriend looks a little bit like Charlize Theron and a lot like Dog the Bounty Hunter
BenadrylAnnug 2 years ago
wow. you said exactly what i was thinking. being from the south i know exactly what you mean.
4R1S7O7L3 2 years ago
i came (linguistically speaking)
Samura1gamer 2 years ago 2
OMG!!! you're an arrested development fan too? I loved that part! Rita, right? She was so cool!
yet it did take me a while to get what they were getting at...
MRF... mentally retarded female...
also Mr. F, short for Mr. Funke, who is Tobias...
Finally, i've found a youtuber who will know what i'm talking about when i start dancing like an oddball chicken, or say any of the repeated lines like "I've Made a huge mistake." or "Her?"
EllenRussell54 3 years ago
wierdo
gearsgamer1 3 years ago
Excellent point! I myself deal with this issue on a daily basis. Due to a series of traumatic events during early childhood development, I have no problem writing out my thoughts on paper in a very clear and concise way. The problem is when I try to form these thoughts into words and say them to someone, (stutter up the ying yang)! And it's generally difficult to find the right words when speaking. People treat me VERY differently for it. Again, great stuff! Keep it up!
trueseeker25 3 years ago
i'm very animated in my speech and use my body a lot -people who meet me when i'm like this probably don't suspect that i'm actually also pretty intense and thorough in my internal life -it might be easy to think of me as a childlike,capricious clown with barely anything up top.I've been influenced by the notion of intelligent brits too-but what i discovered is simply that their reserved,controlled,unanimated speech is not necessarily reflective of intelligence-in fact,it's quite dull!hehe
spotlitkiss 3 years ago
dude i wish i could spend a day in that feakin awesome library you got
njartimis 3 years ago 2
"capacity". So, a person's "speech", as well as all other behavior, represents the manifestation of an "intelligence quotient". The whole thing is heinously dehumanizing but with fuckheads like Dennett and Dawkins flying off the shelves - hey, what can you expect?
So, in proper order, we've explored "facutly psychology", "behaviorism", "cognitive psychology", and a more humanist discipline from Gadamer. But it's just simply NOT behaviorism - sorry. But nice video, and as always, thanks.
teddyvamp 3 years ago
accuracy and thoroughness): I was right when I originally remarked that this simply cannot be "behaviorism". Behaviorism doesn't give a damn about "internal intelligence"...all it measures is external operations. There would be no "intelligence" short of successful management within the environment. SOOO...
You need to change this around, edit it, etc. A more accurate diagnosis is "cognitive psychology", where outward behavior results from internal "intelligence" defined strictly as...
teddyvamp 3 years ago
By the way, I salute you for never changing shirts. Honestly. Same here.
Okay! I consider the topic closed. It's taken me a few months of intermittent commentary, but so far we've covered the flaws in both your account and Mast's. While yours come from focusing only one philosophical view to the detrimental exclusion of others, his are founded on pure bigotry and naivete. Heh. Forgive me my warranted jabs.
By the way, one last point (yes I must belabor everything for the sake of...
teddyvamp 3 years ago
and thus subsume the particular entity in our perception under a conceptual (begriff) category. We find this descriptivist point in those awful new robots of Rodney Brooks and company.
However, your point here concerns discrimination, and I agree that assessing another's intelligence through overt social behavior is...well...pretty fucking fallacious. I, for example, have a Southern drawl. This has not at all prevented me from demonstrating my so-called "intelligence" on several occasions.
teddyvamp 3 years ago
THEN AGAIN...
I don't need to tell you that true aphasia is indistinguishable from real cognitive deficits, and is in fact synonymous with them. The onomic (from όνομο) act, as Merleau-Ponty points out (Body as Expression and Speech) is in general a categorical operation. To "name" something, one must "tear oneself away" from the particular and ascend to the general, whether through comprehension of essences (ουσία or ἒιδος or, I would add, Russellian-style "descriptions")...
teddyvamp 3 years ago
thank you
barrettsalive 3 years ago
NAILED IT, FUCKER! Allow me to revive our discussion form a few months ago.
"The traditionaly cognitivist approach...is mentalistic and individualistic. Intelligence is regarded as a matter of individual mental *capacities*, and the intelligence exhibited in outward behavior [speaking with regard to prosody, articulation, fluency, etc., here, for example] is regarded as derivative, as merely the expression of this inner capacity".
--Beth Preston, "Heidegger and Artificial Intelligence"
teddyvamp 3 years ago
I really appreciate this video. My mom gets a hard time for having a strong accent (English is her second language).
Of course, the people who usually give her a hard time can usually only speak one language.
noodleguru 3 years ago
Come to think of it, I tend to use words and speach in a certain way to be taken more serious, so that the way I speak conveys intelligence.
I think most people do, and it is really widening the intellectual bridge between people in society.
Samanmotlagh 3 years ago 2
hilarious. never get tired of watching your videos.
kombayn 3 years ago
DAMN .. He just OWNED this dude with facts and he defended his facts with a common sense discussion. And he didn't have to cuss or raise his voice or put anyone down. VERY VERY well done.
ilovealf 3 years ago 4
goshhh.
tu m'inspire telement!
keep up the good work :)
ClocloTheKillerClone 3 years ago
wow.. lol.. u just reminded me of a french teacher i had.. he talked really bad.. if it helps thats not why i hated him... he threw a shoe at me.. but ur video is amazing and so true!
anasofiaor 3 years ago
you remind me of dr. house.
great vid!
greenfarter 3 years ago 3
i thought that too... something about the gestures with the hands and eyebrows, mouth, or something...
Anyway, thank you azrienoch, i usually feel more enlightened after watching your vids, and if not that than always highly entertained. This is no exception on both counts.
fenchurchforever 3 years ago
dude you got a subscriber here, such a top dude!
falloutdude222 3 years ago
That girl in the video, i remember her form a porn.
dicklong95 3 years ago
Great message.
pimpjoosse 3 years ago
Absolutely Fantastic! I have nothing but respect for you.
LordCrom 3 years ago 4
Nice.
It's not that people are different; it's the people who construct a hierarchy of differences followed by the people who subscribe.
Prejudice has a huge survival benefit, which is why it persists. Take away the fear and it will evaporate by itself. Attack it and you feed it.
Knapweed 3 years ago
Damn this was good... great way to show the pitfalls of behavioral discrimination.
Dammit... why can't I make videos like this?!?!
Swordsage 3 years ago
Cheers to one of the best talkers on youtube.
otonanoC 3 years ago 2
As a bona fide southerner, I can attest to the fact that my place of birth has brought me no small amount of ridicule and patronization. It gets OLD. It's refreshing to see someone actually address the issue.
Artemis300 3 years ago
Ah, this also reminds me of the "Mongolian idiot" label (because people from Mongolia are stupid? what?) that was given to people with Down syndrome in the old days... sickening.
desirlemonde 3 years ago
That Arrested Development joke was brilliant; I miss that silly show.
desirlemonde 3 years ago
I'm the same as that woman, in that I have a lot of trouble putting things into words.... And I'm english, lol.
thingthingy 3 years ago
This also reminds me of how deaf people were thought to be stupid and it was only in the 60's that we recognized ASL as an actual language.
jennykts 3 years ago
Our language is too politically correct, maybe if we could call people idiot, dimwit, moron, retarted, we'd have more pigeon holes to put people in and less room for our minds to make assumptions.
Because ASSumptions can make an ass of oneself.
divinejudge1 3 years ago
You really just like to argue don't you?
threadform 3 years ago
Also I typed "thing" instead of "think" and unlike both you and Mast I am prepared to veridically proclaim this demonstrates that I am an idiot.
teddyvamp 3 years ago
So in Mast's putative causal correlation between language facility and intelligence there is an outmoded blunder, as we both agree. But in your counter-argument, the same may hold true. It is of the highest importance to move away from this embarrassing subject-faculty distinction via a proper understanding of gestural expressions (Merleau-Ponty) and constitutive modes of being (Gadamer), just as Husserl neatly disposes of the mistaken and untenable subject-object distinction. Back in a week.
teddyvamp 3 years ago
but I do (unfortunately) thing it important to embark on an echo of Gadamer here by gently admonishing each of you: Intelligence, just as in the case of articulation, creativity, and volubility with regard to langauge, is no facultative function of some deeper subject. Intelligence IS the subject, if there be one, and language IS thought...at least, a very specific sort of thought. It will be important to here understand that categorical, logical, and poetic thinking are all linguistic.
teddyvamp 3 years ago
Now, in the above articulation and phraseology, I have betrayed a fundamental misconception concerning the relationship of language and intelligence (this will bring me to my point, thankfully).
The assumption not expressed in Merleau-Ponty but certainly present in both Mast's account and your counter is that language is a faculty, just as is intelligence. Now, I'm sure I don't have lecture you on the abysmal pitfalls and humiliating pratfalls of all faculty psychology in the vein of Kant...
teddyvamp 3 years ago
Okay - updates on our brief disagreement concerning terminology. A nontrivial matter, I think you'll agree.
Merleau-Ponty, following Heidegger who followed Nietzsche (who followed Herder) notes that while we may not "think IN language", we most certainly "think WITH language". Now there are sorts of thinking which of course are paralinguistic. But much of our documented and codified conceptualizations of mental handicaps do in fact correlate to diminished linguistic faculties. (continued)
teddyvamp 3 years ago
Your videos are great...well thought out and expertly edited. I'm enjoying learning from you.
gideonjamesabbott 3 years ago 2
Great video. Made me further realize that prejudice is almost impossible to get rid of, let alone quantify.
opinionhead444 3 years ago
This was excellent! As the mother of a retarded daughter and good friend of someone with CP, I thought you tackled this issue perfectly, and how cool to use other tubers as examples. I will check them out. Thanks!
Illuminatta 3 years ago
I avoid saying it on Youtube because I KNOW some stupid Creationists are gonna use it against me. Hell, there's a few people on Youtube who just hate me because I'm Australian!
I have a mental condition but I think if anything because of it I'm actually smarter than most people. I basically have trouble understanding anything that's illogical. Kinda like a Volkien.
dechha1981 3 years ago
"For British eyes only!"
antipelagian 3 years ago
Mister F!
adamvonwillis 3 years ago
Just for the record, British retarded people sound pretty much the same as American retarded people. It's true that some "retarded" people can reason fine and aren't stupid, I've met some. The racist redneck stereotype has been around for ages, its probably been that way since the American civil war, of course they all aren't racist though.
WizzoSchizo 3 years ago
His arguement is fine by me though, these dumbass' who try perpetuating the lie that Obama is a Muslim are annoying. What's more annoying is that some people actually believe it.
WizzoSchizo 3 years ago
I had similar thoughts about ChristopherMast's video, and it was nice to see such an intelligent response which also flushes out a related subject. Although I didn't care about his Farm King hat :p
snotpokkit 3 years ago
I attempted to put the following comment in your comment box, but it does not submit properly:
Hello Azrienoch, I read your book "The Absurdity of Philosophy" a couple of weeks ago and I thought it was interesting and well written. Some of your ideas are okay, but I don't agree with all of them though.
Well anyway, good luck to you!
pythagoras9 3 years ago
Oh, and I really do admire anyone with the substantial thought and assiduity to write a book. I hope that doesn't sound like empty patronization. And you had points I agree with. I don't think it's only blogworthy - I didn't mean to give that intimation. I do realize that any public criticism leaves me open to inane rejoinders of WELL WHERE'S YOUR BOOK GUFFAW HEE HEE, so let me shirk this one if you don't mind. Able execution, all in all, and look forward to more. Hugs and kisses.
teddyvamp 3 years ago
I honestly don't know *if* anything is wrong with it. I just know that such aptitude attributions fall under several rubrics, not merely the Skinnerian. If that is the case then it seems limitive to group it as simply "behaviorism". I'm sure there's a ummm...more apt term for this method of attribution? For instance, this adequation between intelligence and speaking occurs not only in behaviorist accounts, but in psychoanalytic, cognitivist, etc. But I won't niggle, baby. It's good work!
teddyvamp 3 years ago
But okay, yeah - off the hook and no vicious adbuction of disadvantaged others holds. Continue the great shaming of youtubers and the Rational Response Squad (a.k.a., fascist totalist aescetics). Viva Trotsky. Blah blah blah. And thanks for sticking up (inadvertendly) for regional dialects everywhere, contingently subsuming extensionally my own. It's interesting how my online posts are regarded as reflective of greater intelligence than my sonorous language, inexplicably.
teddyvamp 3 years ago
And at root I'm just reeling from the novelty (or maybe solecism?) of this use of "behaviorism". I can't recall exactly what a new usage is termed (not neologism - we know that's different) so if anyone knows please shoot that my way, but is behaviorism really the right term here? Can you slide me the signified clinician? (Lyotard joke)
I'm most prepared to class this as a species of attribution error, which gets into capacity attribution theories. I don't know if that's the same.
teddyvamp 3 years ago
Seriously, what's wrong with it? Two psych courses and a lot of pertinent philosophy later, and the presentation I've given here, while simple, is consistent with what I've learned.
azrienoch 3 years ago
I'm sure some sort of inverse can be formulated against those who form evaluations based on idiolects. There's a latent witticism fused with a pun lurking somewhere in there, I bet.
But as a slack-jawed gape-mouthed drooling Southerner myself struggling to climb out of the crab pit, I have onl to remark that Cormac McCarthy and William Faulkner had quite the drawl, and the Obey Giant campaign was birthed in Charleston, SC.
I'll take those as standing refutations of Mast's idiocy.
teddyvamp 3 years ago
Yeah, but simply saying those two names hardly makes for a good video.
azrienoch 3 years ago
I still find it entirely disagreeable, if only for the rather crude and calloused gauchery. But perhaps it's only lack of tact and refinement if they agreed. Still, I'd expect better from you.
And why didn't you just go with our old pal against me!?: "whoever thinks in words thinks as a speaker and not as a thinker (it reveals that fundamentally he doesn't think of things or think factually, but only in relation to things, that he really is thinking of himself and his listeners)." -FWN
teddyvamp 3 years ago
I'm not going against you. I agree with you. But I don't think your opposition here is at all contrary to what I've said. As for expecting more... why? You relegated my book to the blogosphere. I don't know why you're holding me to this standard... I don't even know what this standard is, where it comes from, or what it has to do with me.
azrienoch 3 years ago
Sorry - "Schopenhauer". In my case, I have not only aphasia, but digital apraxia.
teddyvamp 3 years ago
And if Mast is a shithead (which he is) I might further remark that your insensitive treatment and even exploitation of others in this response is fuckheaded. I can parse out the nuances for you later if required.
In parting, "hey" again, glad to see you're still kicking, and we'll discuss your book after I'm finished with Levinas and Schophenauer. Should be about five years.
teddyvamp 3 years ago
Parse what you want, these people agreed to appear in this video and praised what I had to say. If "fuckheaded" means considerate in regards to how they feel, then yeah, I'm fuckheaded, but otherwise no.
I guess I'll see you in five years, then. ;)
azrienoch 3 years ago
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. Behaviorism? How about aphorism 257 of Daybreak (or Dawn, whichever you prefer), "Body as Expression and Speech" by Merleau-Ponty, or just about any theory of aphasia? "Difficulty putting things into words" can in specific cases mark deterioration or, perhaps in better, more accurate language, debilitated categorical thinking. While this is not the case in anarthia, it remains quite true that a difficulty with language can coincide with compromised mental faculties.
teddyvamp 3 years ago
Yes, behaviorism. I'm not at all saying that it doesn't happen. Hell, if retarded people didn't talk the way they many do, Ryan, for example, wouldn't have a problem. Behaviorism prescribes a certain necessary relationship to human psychology on the whole, and that prescription is incorrect. Actual indications of someone's psyche through language and behavior happen, yes, but not necessarily, and I'm using that to say that such discriminations as Mast employed are unfair.
azrienoch 3 years ago
It is very hard to define stupid. It seems emotional more than anything else.
Censeo 3 years ago
Great subject and presentation!
bickleschmickle 3 years ago
Hahahahahaha hahahahahaha, i couldn't stop laughing... hahahahah. What a video respond!
Raven72563 3 years ago
No one cries for the red necks and trailer trash, Az. It is socially acceptable to hate Caucasians. That's a lucky thing for me, because I fucking hate white people. Those fuckers have burnt me on multiple business deals and are always trying to cheat me out of money. Plus, most of the idiot politicians that have fucked up this country are white.
CadicusTheDamned 3 years ago
WOW...i get your point about linguistic discrimination BUT by using video of mentally challenged people to make your point...you actually validated his point WHILE negating his message.
AND smart move NOT putting a video of someone who speaks Ebonics...lol.
nzingamina 3 years ago
No mentally challenged people appeared in this video.
azrienoch 3 years ago
Completely Brilliant! Now I'm hooked :)
Coffeegirl28 3 years ago
ChristopherMast's tonality was suggesting a lack of education, not a lack of intelligence.
The overwhelming majority of accents - from ebonic to cockney to southern - which people possess come from a lack of character; which means a lack of education. They rely on slang, dont enunciate, etc.
ChristopherMast was insinuating that anyone who is "proud to be an American" must be uneducated, because, presumably, any educated person would know just how despicable this country is.
grantsinmypants2 3 years ago
I sincerely recommend you google the term "prescriptivist grammar" and learn about its problems.
azrienoch 3 years ago
I should have, instead, searched my browser history for "Azrienoch" and realized just how pointless it is to attempt to discuss anything of signifigance with him.
grantsinmypants2 3 years ago
Significant? What was significant about your point? I agree with your first bit and your last bit, and I said nothing to the contrary to either. It's the middle part I disagree with, and that's what I addressed. Don't waste my time if you don't actually want to talk.
azrienoch 3 years ago
"ChristopherMast was insinuating that anyone who is "proud to be an American" must be uneducated, because, presumably, any educated person would know just how despicable this country is."
You mean the government and the Bush Administration in particular. Don't confuse a land mass or a mass of three hundred million people with political bodies.
CadicusTheDamned 3 years ago
I was thinking about your video and enjoyed your insight. But something bothers me. You used to look alot sexier with your hair off your forehead and swept back. Am I wrong ? Why did you change your hair style? Iam genuinely curious. By the way, Iam not trying to cleverly point out your discrimination between one choice of outward appearance and another.
garryartist 3 years ago
Because sometimes I cut it.
azrienoch 3 years ago
Ah yes, point out his "linguistic discriminating" premise and exclude the other 99% of his video and conclude your response with a "statues discriminating" conclusion.
Fine work you intellectual elitist blow hard.
I'd like to rip that nose ring rite out of your prick ass face.
Formica45 3 years ago
You confuse me. I addressed the other 99% with these two words: "Good video."
azrienoch 3 years ago
Well, why be so picky man? It was a great video with minuscule-iuos flaws - so be it. Don't club the man to death because of it. Nobody is perfect. Show some sense of degree - you know what I'm saying?
I'd still like to rip that nose ring out of your pretentious face.
Formica45 3 years ago
Oh, I know what you're saying. That you think the issue is "miniscule" tells quite a bit.
azrienoch 3 years ago
your definition of "behaviorism" as it pertains to psychology is completely misconceived.
megan4197 3 years ago
Dear God, don't leave us hanging! Tell us what a correct description would be!
azrienoch 3 years ago
I just thought I'd point that out, though it seemed you made that point in an offhand manner.
Behaviorism was most vocally espoused by John Watson and B.F. Skinner - stemming from the studies of Pavlov and Thorndike. It encompasses all forms of associative learning - both Pavlovian and operant. It's been the most fruitful theoretical framework in understanding learning in humans and animals and has had a major impact on applied psychology - almost all forms of therapy employ behaviorism.
megan4197 3 years ago
Absolutely awesome. I was thinking of subbing to you, but this has decided me.
Hermgirl666 3 years ago
This is spot on.
I wonder now whether linguistic discrimination is a learned or acquired habit of an individual, or something that is so much of a societal norm, that it is adopted as appropriate fuel for parody. I start thinking of weather other cultures do the same, or if its a western thing. I know that in south Asia there are many different dialects of Mandarin. There's also a sort of hierarchy based on nationality, where dialect comes into play. I could ramble...
Good video Az, cheers!
gagli010 3 years ago
This is a great one Az. I quit a group over issues much the same.
CityzenJane 3 years ago
excellent analysis
sharjeelsohail 3 years ago
I don't comment you much, but you're one of my favorite YouTubers.
Love this video.
Saturninefilms 3 years ago 2
Thanks, Cody. Means a lot to me.
azrienoch 3 years ago
You never cease to amaze me! I'll start a Azrienoch religion which in some 500 years will threaten to kill everyone who does not believe that you are their personal savior... come to think of it it's probably not such a good idea =)
Perfect as always!
ELStalky 3 years ago
I like Christopher Mast, but I love this video. You make valid points, and you back them up well. As a southerner, I know very well about discrimination based on ones' accent. And I realize that it's difficult for someone from one geographic region to understand or relate to what someone from another region might think or feel... so I don't take it personally. I'm sure I discriminate as well, not meaning to of course, but we all do it in one way of another. It's something we need to work on.
theloathlydaddy 3 years ago
For the record I was shooting for "Iowa cornfed redneck," but spiced it up with some Southern drawl... my bad though.
ChristopherMast 3 years ago 2
Slicing!!!!Ouch!
mlong20 3 years ago
You're good
proteanview 3 years ago
And I don't mean that in a bad way. I just mean it seems like a logical inconsistency on our part.
Person009 3 years ago
P9: And that this is "a logical inconsistency on our part", i.e. that we may have considered the physically handicapped as not in fact morally degraded in some way - because the 12 inch dildo in your mind continually "hits on girls all the time" - resonates with certain historical catastrophes of the 20th century. Wrong - and may you work at Burger King for the rest of your life (never fear - all work is noble)!
Trollschool 3 years ago
After watching this video and a couple of Ryans videos today it caused me to think about how we, the non-handicapped, tend to assume that those who are handicapped in some form or another have good character and are genuinely good people. I was thinking about how there is a kid at my school who is about a foot tall who hits on girls all the time and a lot of people say hes a prick and stuff for it, but then we let "us" get away with these sortof actions fairly often, when "they" are no different
Person009 3 years ago
P9: Ha! Well, your comment strikes me as total shit. First off, after defining yourself as the "we" that is free of imperfections (the non-handicapped)you go on to caution others who may be something less than critical of the obviously handicapped. You claim, incredibly, that there is a "kid" at your school who is about a "foot tall" - that would be the size of 12 inch ruler (!) who hits on girls all the time. This is not a human - what human is 12 inches tall? (cont.)
Trollschool 3 years ago
You claim he is a "prick" - yes, something that is 12 inches tall is most likely a prick or a dildo - and you use this imaginary construct to show how the "they", those who are not the unhandicapped "us", may not be the angels that some lefty somewhere wants us to believe. This leads me to the conclusion that your hateful banality is most likely worse than most honest defects of nature.
Trollschool 3 years ago
Does 2 feet tall help? I'm not kidding, I don't know the name of the condition but he is incredibly short. Notice how I also put quotations over "us" and "them". Simply to point out the groups in the example. I understand that its not a correct one but it worked for the example. You assume I am hateful too... when I am simply pointing out a though that came to mind, I never claimed it to be correct but thank you for the input.t Troll?
Person009 3 years ago
Okay, I may have come on too strong here - but ... let's not forget Az's basic point which is to recognize and understand intelligence as it manifests itself among some who may look silly to us ... needless to say there may be a gap between understanding and commenting - but Az is leading us here to a good cause.
Trollschool 3 years ago
I understood his point well. I was just merely pointing out something I thought of. I didn't think I was way off base or anything I just kindof rambled about the Diego kid. And one of my previous comments was that it was a good subject for him to address.
Person009 3 years ago
Lots of smart people are snobbish about their knowledge and intellect. But not azrienoch! :)
GypsyWytch13 3 years ago
I love the people you have mentioned in here. I work with people with developmental disabilities and it's amazing how people think they are so stupid but in reality their means of communication is often much slower than the pace to which their minds are working.
missdivinestalls 3 years ago
Wow, this kid went to college.
Jessiqua42 3 years ago
glad I stumbled upon your channel from Mast's great stuff! Sub'd
frigginyates 3 years ago
heeeeeey i want to watch your video but it only loads half way is anyone else having the same prob or is it just me??
sakura2390 3 years ago
Hmmm... it's working for me... Anyone else having problems?
azrienoch 3 years ago
heeeeey thx for replying back so much it was just my computer i guess at the time btw great vid and i loved the vid it made alot of sense nice work :]
sakura2390 3 years ago
Okay, this video made me think of an addendum to something that I sent you under a different 'Tube name (specifically the reference to eubonics). Will email you when I'm a little drunker and ready to riff more freely.
Trollschool 3 years ago
Rockin'.
azrienoch 3 years ago
Actually I appreciate it when people who speak Russian or Spanish slow down and over-enunciate so that I can figure out what they're saying. I've never noticed these people speaking more loudly, however.
blackturtleus 3 years ago
Brilliant. I'm glad you brought this up, it's not addressed nearly enough.
You can see the same sort of discrimination toward the deaf community. Most people don't realize that American Sign Language is not equivalent to English and has a completely different syntax. So deaf people may have below-average English skills (especially written English) and are often characterized as unintelligent because of it.
lisarcastic 3 years ago
WIN
you pwned mast.
great video.
iamcoolalot 3 years ago
Cool video!
P.S.
I totally forgot that CzarnyZazul was on youtube.
Katalyzt
Katalyzt 3 years ago
Great video! I love Melsbasketcase and
Czarnyzazul!
Gimmeaflakeman 3 years ago
you "seem" so intelligent, ur vids are insightful
dgyuengling 3 years ago
So true. But you know, Mast does seem dumb.
PseudoGymnast 3 years ago
Cheers.
jericomovie 3 years ago
Great stuff, Az. Of course, not all southern people are stupid, but dude, let me axe you: but why do the dumb ones's become President? And think they look cool in flight jackets in front of banners proclaiming, Mission Accomplished.
StevenErnest 3 years ago
interesting points, but you're not proving anything. christopher mast could still well be stupid. lol J/K
machtsnicht 3 years ago
Excellent video, this is a form of discrimination that I tend to see a lot on youtube, and in real life.
ekearsey 3 years ago
As a woman saddled with a southern accent, I THANK you for this. It always amazes me that people will pay more attention to how and not what I say. It's irritating.
moronicnotions 3 years ago
great points in your video btw... awesome
likeomgfat 3 years ago
hey just so ya know, there's a ring hanging out of your nostrils.
likeomgfat 3 years ago
Oh, shit! Thanks man.
azrienoch 3 years ago
Well, I'm from the south and I am constantly Pwned by my inveterate obliquity. So I dunno ...
Trollschool 3 years ago
LOL!!!
azrienoch 3 years ago
Got me... for some reason I was trying to picture "oblique invertibrates." I had a nice image of a side-view of a tapeworm when I realized what you really said!
ChristopherMast 3 years ago
Lawl!!
Trollschool 3 years ago
Nice video. I haven't been confronted with linguistic discrimination when I was in the US though.
Interesting topic.
funkwurm 3 years ago
Excellent, My same sentiments! I am from the south and I sure as hell am not stupid.
aubiecatt 3 years ago
You don't get many bi or multi-lingual people using linguistic discrimination. Show me linguistic discrimination and I will show you a person who only speaks English. I am not discriminating against the uni-lingual because I am one of said people. I can however count to ten in French, German and Korean so in your face.
Mjhavok 3 years ago
LOL, yeah, and really, this has recently become a pretty big thing in linguistics and anthropology, beginning with books like Foucault's "Madness and Civilization." Learning a bit about how languages change and eventually become new language leads people to a lot of the same conclusions.
azrienoch 3 years ago
Madness and Civilization. I think that is somewhere in the TARDIS I call a book my cupboard.
Mjhavok 3 years ago
EDIT: my book cupboard.
Mjhavok 3 years ago
thank you Az, for saying almost everything someone who's too poor to afford a camera wants to say.
ThePrimordialBeast 3 years ago
Phistophicles agrees /watch?v=ezmwYwpuLQc
MassZombicide 3 years ago
At around 1:15
MassZombicide 3 years ago
This is the first video I've watched with you in it, azrienoch.
When I originally saw you, I thought you were a pirate. :X :-)
bielski01 3 years ago
What kind of an idiot would think Obama is a muslim? ...Proud to be an american!! where atleast i think i'm free..& i won't forget all the troops that died for stock piles of WMD (we never found)
eekdog2005 3 years ago
Lovely pwnage
NihilistZealot 3 years ago
This video was great! Everything you said was true.
Katlyn21290 3 years ago
retarded?????you shouldn't even use this word you moron.what is the definition of a retard? u r arguing for the sake of arguing. u r also contradicting urself by only using the word retard. fix the definition, let poeple know what ur side of logics than babble with your precious brain..
dafil13 3 years ago
BRILLIANT!!!!
sillysillytom 3 years ago
My non-fluent, retard, French accent and I say thank you.
maksiiiskam2 3 years ago
hahaha i enjoyed this video
OneMove33 3 years ago
i go to school with a kid that has cerebral palsy that faces the same situation. he's a very intelligent and nice human being that gets overlooked and under appreciated. great vid az.
thebigfatlamp 3 years ago
More food for thought!! Thanks, Grams
GramsandPapi 3 years ago
I absolutely enjoy watching all of your craziness Azrienoch, but I wonder where you got it all from. I mean, somethings you can't just read in a book, so it's kinda left with the other 95% of your experience. Was it like a miraculous reverse effect of being dropped on your head or something? Look, all I'm trying to say is maybe you could share a bit about where you were able to obtain such a non-bias current of thought, cuz I'm really tired of being so ignorant.
HawkKain 3 years ago
Well, thank you! I suppose a lot of it is just extrapolations of various things that you do read, playing with the ideas in the real world. There is some really interesting work being done right now on deviant englishes, like ebonics. I'd suggest "Language Myths" by Bauer and Trudgill, "The Language Revolution," by David Crystal, and for somthing more academic, "Sociolinguistic Variation," by Bayley and Lucas.
azrienoch 3 years ago
Wow! Just wow. I do not want to get into a debate with you man. Good job.
JimmerSD 3 years ago
That was well spoken and very smart!
Chris can get ahead of himself sometimes...
We all do.
But I do have a slight prejudice to silver buggers. Sorry! ;-)
hallbe 3 years ago
I doubt that Chris Mast was targeting southern people as much as he was the culture of ignorance that really is encouraged in many of those areas. I lived in a sick area of Texas for several months, and many people there look down on those who are educated. They also use words like "fancy" for things like books, suggesting that merely reading makes you a threat. There are a lot of head games and lots of jealousy, both of which lead to discrimination.
TheWaterScorpion 3 years ago
Interesting points, of course I agree with you. But where does it end? Every thought we have is "bigotted" against an idea we find disagreeable. This discussion reminds me of a book I read "Blink", by Malcolm Gladwell, We judge people immediately and that is how we are able to function. I emphasize the point that we have to make these judgements cuz to wait for objective analysis would prove too ineffecient for a relationship. We simply don't have to cling tightly to our pre-judgements.
nathanjonessr 3 years ago
LENS FLAIR
snownet 3 years ago
I have an astounding command over language,but I'm going to a trade school because I can't spell to save my life. My fascination with linguistics and syntax are pushed to the limit on a daily bases. Endlessly surrounded by Oakies ,gangsters, valley girls and even a few semi-retarded people. Except none of these people have yet to dazel me with there shining intellect.
PFTECHMETAL 3 years ago
great video. you are the one subscription i look forward to seeing new vids. excellent speaker you are.
volt3x 3 years ago
Stereotypes are funny.
This video is funny.
Perhaps you weren't trying to be condescending but it came off that way and actually made it even FUNNIER.
You just proved yourself WRONG with your own video.
HAHAHAHAHA BRAVO Az! YOU ASS! hehe
spricket24 3 years ago
LOL
azrienoch 3 years ago
I mean that all in the most delightful way possible. :)
You are 100% right- CM is not stupid. I still give him kudos for attempting to make his point... I know he did a better job with it than I could have. I made as good of a case as I could via email. It takes balls to put it into a video- balls that I do not have. I stick to the funny because I have been typecast that way- can you imagine the uproar if I ever say anything intelligent on my own channel? OMG!
spricket24 3 years ago
OMG! Well, if we ever get around to doing that interview, you may have the chance to sneak other sorts of material in. Like your poem, for example.
azrienoch 3 years ago
Does your friend (who sounds Russian) have a YouTube account? You make good points. 5 stars and favorited. I have funny looking eyes (one of which is somewhat mutilated), so people assume my brain doesn't work quite right. Well, I'm might be crazy, but I'm not stupid. I was talking in a stickam room with a disabled woman who's legs don't work well at all. People assume that because her legs don't funtion properly, neither does her brain. Odd assumptions.
AnethSvartalf 3 years ago
Yes, CzarnyZazul. A link to his channel is in the description.
azrienoch 3 years ago
nice use of arrested development.
azrienoch this was one of ur best vids, it was just so right!
5 stars!
another1shortdaymore 3 years ago