Evolution, Creationism, and the Scientific Method. pt1

[RonaldNiederhauser]

The truth about the creation of man and animals. Like space and time which have no beginning or end. Man is eternal. He never was created or evolved because he always existed. Try to wrap your mind about that.

[adam3176]

the Illuminati Media and paid scientific Dictators Push Evolution.. the Only Evolution that happens is that what the Scientists DO... Its to Hide the TRUTH.. and they Lie about how the earth was formed... and lie about the layers.. and the paid scientists Push such Lies.. and MUCH MUCH MORE.. its a huge lie. by media government and to keep the Elite and the wealthy in power and to keep us in a small box

[EvolutionLIE]

unfortunately, the poor sorry sap who believes in 'evolution' doesn't have the brain capacity to understand the greater ramifications of such a belief.

in a nutshell, if you truly, earnestly, honestly, believe you are the descendent of a sea slug or star dust your opinions/beliefs are utterly worthless since if your existance is mere chance and your fate is death, well your life only has any worth if you fabricate a fanciful story in your head

but the sorry 'evolutionist' is not a thinker

[Swordsage]

@EvolutionLIE Think carefully about what you just said.

You're basically saying that the only way our life has any worth is if you believe in an entity that created you just to be it's servant, to worship and praise till the end of time. And that you are to believe in this entity even though there is no proof of it at all. You are also saying that you are unable to give your life any worthy meaning of your own.

And you say I'M the one that doesn't think?

[Swordsage]

@Swordsage I also find it interesting that you are in effect admitting that you are terrified of a reality where a god didn't create you, so you would rather chose to believe in a fanciful story so that you wouldn't have to face this fear, thus doing the very thing you complain one would have to do in order to feel their lives have any work. Fear of something does not constitute proof of something. Plus, I could ask if one's DEEDS and ACTIONS helped to prove any worthiness.

[Swordsage]

@Swordsage FInally, another question I have: if human beings aren't to define their own worth, as only god can provide it, than it also stands to reason that we cannot define our own rights, our own laws, or governments either. To be able to define these things for ourselves, we would have to believe that we alone determine how we are to live and what our lives should be like. So how does this mesh with ideals of democracy and rule "by the people"? Shouldn't we have an totalitarian god made one?

[EvolutionLIE]

@Swordsage ,,,/aaahhh, No, No i didn't say that you goose.

Look at the Reality of your OWN Philosophy ....but of course you Cannot.

you haven't the courage to understand the True Implications of your godless slime descendent belief.

[Swordsage]

@EvolutionLIE Bullshit. You know that's EXACTLY what you said. You just don't want to admit it.

Let me see if I can walk you through this, since you seem to be mentally crippled:

You say: life has no meaning if our existence is mere chance (by the way, that;'s NOT what evolution says; you don't know the theory if you think that).

That implies that life only has meaning if it wasn't to chance.

You are arguing from a standpoint that we must have come from a god, who gave life meaning. cont:

[Swordsage]

@Swordsage If this is the case, what exactly IS the meaning of our lives? what are we supposed to be doing?

If we had just ourselves to rely on, ie, no god to answer to, we'd have to figure that out for ourselves, and decide for ourselves what it's all about. Thus we make up our own worth.

But with a GOD to give our lives meaning, that means we'd just listen to him.her to get that meaning. And you guys are full of books saying what that meaning is supposed to be:

To worship and follow. cont

[Swordsage]

@Swordsage ALL of your religious teachings come back to that. Because if anyone says they DON'T want to worship your god, then you say they are being sinful people, and that our purpose in life is to go back to him/her.

With such a world view, things like a government mandated by the PEOPLE, rather than by a GOD, become null and void. Because in order for you to believe in rule by people, that would mean we define our own worth and values. But if god does that instead, we can't do that, can we?

[EvolutionLIE]

@Swordsage Sorry, I don't heed advice from the Descendents of the Slime of the Black Lagoon...LOL

you're finally coming to the realisation that the Atheist's of Old have come to, namely, it's either "Slime Descendent" OR "God Creation" NO Inbetween.

LOL

[Swordsage]

@EvolutionLIE See, this proves you're ignorant. Not only are you living in denial when the truth of your thinking is spat back at you, but you resort to insults instead of using your brain. You're even admitting you won't listen, because if goes against your fantasy world, and by insulting me, you make yourself feel better. "Oh, this guy is just slime, I don't have to listen to him. I believe in a god, so I'm superior."

If so, why even talk to me then troll? Goodbye, you're blocked.

[Swordsage]

@Swordsage oh, and one parting shot:

Your religion teaches you that you're from "the dust of the earth." So whether you accept Evolution or not, you still believe you're made up of similar stuff. So you are "slime" just like me. Moron.

[Swordsage]

@EvolutionLIE Finally, Big Bang theory is NOT the same as the Evolution theory. The fact that you're mixing them up just shows you know nothing about science. So you've lost the debate before it even started. If you don't even know what you're talking about, how can you possibly be able to critique it?

Go back to school. PLEASE.

[wtd15]

@EvolutionLIE As an open minded Christian, I look up videos so I can honestly understand what I do and don't believe in. I stumbled across this video and I see your comments. There is a HUGE difference between debating and telling someone they're stupid because they don't believe what you do. In the Bible, doesn't it say something about loving your enemy? Then why are you criticizing evolutionists? Practice what you preach.

[Arteanor]

@EvolutionLIE

i LOVE to be the one to break this to you...

you are DESCENDED DIRECTLY FROM BLACK PEOPLE!

how about you do yourself a favor and look up mitochondrial eve,  your from africa as much as Swordsage is fool.

we all are. get over it.

you not LIKING what the history was, does NOT entitle you to try to overwrite it.

[YertmanSonOfAdam]

GO KENT HOVIND!!! WooooHoooo!!!!!!!!! lol

[mikesinner69]

@YertmanSonOfAdam Kent Hovind is the biggest idiot out there

[itsnows1]

Swordsage, your obviously an ignorant evolutionist who can go fuck himself. When christians say they know God you should use your common sense and know that they dont know him like humans know eachother. When they say they know him they mean they pray with him believe in him and all that stuff. And when God talks he talks to you through your heart, not physically.

[Swordsage]

I'll ignore your rather rude non christian attitude and point out a few things:

To actually KNOW something is to actually have encountered and or experienced it. If all someone does is believe in something without seeing, hearing, or encountering it, then they don't know it's there, they just hope it's there. If I said I knew the elf god Lothlorian because I prayed to and believed in him, would I be taken seriously?

I also find it funny how those who focus on FACTS are called ignorant.

[cronosacts]

Dear Mr.Swordsage, I would like to start out by saying that I am a Christian and will hold to my views. I would like to ask you a few questions.

Can you please describe what air looks like?

Can you please describe what air sounds like?

Can you please describe what it is like to encounter air?

If you can not then how do you know it is there? Do we as humans hope it is there? Do we imagine it? Or do we have knowledge of air based on the effects it has on other things and what it is like to..

[cronosacts]

(sorry, I went over 500 words).. be without air?

[Swordsage]

It's fine if you want to hold to your views. I'm not here to change them, nor is it my right. But I do have qualms when people who aren't qualified in a subject feel they can school other people in it. Hence, these videos.

Your questions on air have a major flaw when trying to compare them with god. See, we can measure the air around us. We can break down what gases are in it. We can feel it against our skin, and breathe it into our lungs. In other words, we interact with it and can prove it.

[Swordsage]

However, none of those things you're able to do with god. You can't prove he exists, you can only believe he does. You can't prove he has any effect on you,. even if you swear you can feel his presence. It's been shown how easily people can make themselves feel that something is real even if it isn't there... they just have believe and want it that badly, and it will be real for them. This has been documented many times. Add to the fact that just about all religious claims have been wrong...

[Swordsage]

... and you can see that things don't look so good for the so called validity of religion.

Now, if you still want to hold that these views are true, that's fine. Most people do anyway, and the human mind has been shown over and over again to be an illusion machine. Everyone, including myself, has irrational beliefs. But when facts happen to point to something opposite of religion, I think it's foolish to try to argue against it, especially when one doesn't have a background in the subject.

[Swordsage]

One last thing that I have to add. You don't have to respond to it, just think about it.

Lets say someone found a way to cure cancer that didn't involve chemotherapy, didn't break down the body, and would fully cure the afflicted in a month. Naturally, there would be a lot of people who would be interested. But let's say there were a few doctors who, despite the evidence, said it was bad, that chemo was better, and nothing you said would make them change their mind. Would you trust those guys?

[cronosacts]

Actually it is not flawed. Your claim was if you can not see it or hear it it does not exist. The way you measure the air is based on the effects the air has on things it comes in contact with not the air itself. Same with God. And I can prove God based on how you prove air. I know a young man who was angry ate everything. He hated his parents for pushing Christianity on him. He was getting into drugs, smoking and alcohol. He now is a very respectable person that leads youth ministry. So what...

[cronosacts]

... changed? Something affected him. Something made him different. You can detest God all you want, but you can argue the fact that this person did change. Why? What caused it? Now I know the main problem with this example is you have never met this person. The Point is SOMETHING affected him. Now what is it? And, if I may be so bold, I have to point out a flaw in your logic. You would apply the laws of our universe to a being that exist beyond it? God is not flesh and blood and can not be...

[cronosacts]

viewed as such. Were the evolution that Darwinist believe in is based in this world and yet can not be proven by science. We have to have come from some were. Evolution is a possibility based on the rules of our universe so our laws must apply as were God does not. Example about were evolution is impossible is were the evolution of life began. Scientist claim that RNA formed from an electrical current within a sea of chemicals. This theory has been proven true under extremely favorable...

[cronosacts]

... conditions. But once this is accomplished then what? No living cells exist to to translate the RNA to from proteins that are the base for biological life. It is like feeding binary to a rock. Without the appropriate component to translate the code, assuming the code has legible and relevant data, nothing happens. Now ignoring that fact life continues on and begins to evolve. Why does it evolve? Mutation? Have you ever heard of a natural or otherwise beneficiary mutation? I have not...

[Swordsage]

If you're going to ignore what I just said, why should I bother continuing this?

Read what I said about air again. WE CAN MEASURE AIR. WE CAN CHART IT'S INFLUENCE. And anyone who doesn't believe in air can measure this stuff out for themselves easily.

You can't do that with God. They only people who claim he exists are those who believe in him. If no third party can verify the source, THAT'S NOT PROOF.

By the way, no where in here, either in the videos (did you really watch them?) ...

[Swordsage]

... or in this comment section, did I say that if you can't hear or see it, it doesn't exist. Go and check for yourself. So you obviously aren't bothering to listen to or read anything I'm saying here, You're automatically assuming I'm saying something, and then arguing based on that assumption. You guys do this all the time. That's why you lose these debates.

Another reason why you lose these debates is obvious lack of research. Every last one of those questions you asked are easily answered.

[Swordsage]

Your first example that was supposed to prove god the same way one can prove the existence of air doesn't do that. The example I gave, things are tested and measured before coming to conclusions. Your way, you automatically assume it must be god, even though there is no real evidence that suggests that. Sure the guy turned his life around, but this is always seen whenever someone with no moral structure is given a system that provides it. You could put him in military and get the same results.

[Swordsage]

In fact, that's why they sent kids to military school in the past... because the kid was acting the same why you said this current youth minister used to. And just like a recruiter for the army will do, a youth minister will talk about the good things his system did for him, since that's what turned his life around. This works whether there's a god or not, so him being a youth minister doesn't prove a god. what would prove the existence of god is something that charts his presence in some way..

[Swordsage]

... and it has to be in a way that third party sources can verity for themselves. It also can't be logically explained in a different possible way. If that can't happen, it's not proof.

Your whole "the laws of sciences can't work on god" argument is illogical. There is no way something can have an effect on any system and not be a part of it in some way. And God not being flesh and blood is meaningless; there is so much in nature that isn't solid matter that is still a part of our world.

[Swordsage]

The example you gave trying to prove the impossibility of evolution only showed once again that you guys don't know what you're talking about. And by the way, saying that you think something is impossible isn't proof it is... it just means you think it's impossible, even if it's not. For instance, you think cells are needed to transfer RNA code. Um, in biology, it's not the cells that do the transferring, they STORE it.. See what I mean about your ignorance?

I don't have enough space and time..

[Swordsage]

... here to explain the process by which non living matter becomes matter (I find it hilarious that someone who believes god made us from the dust of the ground is now trying to say that non-living matter can't become living matter), but it's not like the material hasn't been available for YEARS. Just type in RNA and Evolution in Google and see what you get. I'd even give you a link describing that very process and how your argument doesn't work, but YouTube doesn't allow linking. suffice to...

[Swordsage]

... say that this has been explained already. Just because you and other people who know little about science can't figure out how this works doesn't mean it's wrong, it just means you don't know.

One last thing... and it's the funniest part. Evolution doesn't disprove god. It never did. I honestly don't know why you guys bring evolution up when people talk about the lack of proof in god, but evolution has nothing to do with it. God and evolution can exist simultaneously. It has nothing to...

[Swordsage]

to with how god exists, it has to do with how life started on this planet. Whether or not life started through evolution, or through unknown magic words spoken to molded dirt, it doesn't address the existence of a supreme being. So once again, this shows you guys really don't know what you're talking about when you bring this stuff up. The only conflict evolution has with you guys is the belief that the earth is 6000 years old, and even then, it still doesn't disprove god.

[Swordsage]

In f act, the whole point of these videos was NOT to disprove god, but to explain to people what evolution is and isn't. Christians keep trying to define and argue against what they THINK evolution is, even though they have NEVER STUDIED THE SUBJECT. Most of them don't even have a background in science. Here's a tip: you can't argue about something this complex if you don't have the advanced degrees it takes to work in this field. This isn't philosophy here: this is science.

[Swordsage]

Either you know it, or you don't. If you don't, you can't comment on it and say "that's impossible". How do you know if you haven't taken the college courses and worked on complex experiments?

I don't know how computers work, but here they are. Now, if someone in the computer field tells me about how silicon chips work, I'm not going to say "wait, how can those things store binary code? That's impossible!" I may not know how it works, but that's because I'm not in that field. That's exactly..

[Swordsage]

... what YOU guys are doing when you criticize evolution. You're basically akin to a bunch of non computer science people all yelling that silicone chips shouldn't work the way they do. Don't you see how ridiculous that is? Especially when it doesn't even disprove the belief in your god???

Now if it's the existence of god you want to talk about, that's a whole different topic. But again, that was not the subject of this video. If you actually watched it, you'd know that.

[cronosacts]

You are quite pathetic. Like all evolutionist I have talked to you are illogical and partial informed on YOUR belief. High school biology, taught by one of you idiots by the way. The DNA is split into and carried out of the nucleolus and into the cytoplasm were TRNA translates and carries out the instructions in the code. By the way you can believe anything you want, but the day you die you'll be singing a different tune. I hope you really know what your getting into.

[Swordsage]

nothing I said speaks of my own belief, but rather what has been researched. The only one speaking here of beliefs are YOU. in fact, you wouldn't have even shown up here if your beliefs weren't offended by established facts.

By the way. look at what you just wrote. is it the CELLS that transports the code, or the CYTOPLASM? Cytoplasm is a part of cells, but they are not the cells themselves. and even cells are made up of things that aren't "living" until composed INTO living matter.

[Swordsage]

Also, once again you're speaking from a stance of no proof, but belief when you threaten me with a supposed harsh afterlife. You have no proof that there is one. Has there been anyone from the other side who has given you concrete evidence of a heaven and/or hell? You've seen pictures? Gotten written or audio recorded statements from those living in these places? Do we perhaps have some sort of satellite footage? Perhaps even just some sort of radio waves or something from there?

[Swordsage]

I also notice that instead of actually reading what I posted and looking up this material, you just come back with insults and a threat of hell. You didn't bother to considering any of the following: - How evolution does NOT disprove god. - How the complexities of what makes up evolutionary theory is something you never bothered to study in class. - How the things you present don't count as proof, since they can't be verified by third parties.

If you can't acknowledge that, please leave.

[Swordsage]

Oh and one more thing, just to show how much you don't know:

If I was speaking about what I personally believe, you'll find that I actually DO believe in a spiritual side. But you assume otherwise, simply because I'm willing to accept the findings of people that have actually benefited society. I'm not willing to speak about my beliefs because I can't prove them. I only discuss what has been proven. Evolution is a theory that has stood the test of time. Your religion hasn't. Deal with it.

[Swordsage]

I wasn't going to type anything else, but this has been going through my mind throughout all this.

What was the point of you commenting here? If it was to change my mind, I'd have to call you a hypocrite, since you came here with the attitude of "I am a Christian and will hold to my views". So you're saying nothing will change your mind (which is basically saying I will remain ignorant... no knowledge seeking person ever says that). But you want to change mine? Isn't that hypocritical?

[mikesinner69]

@cronosacts You sound like your average deity worshiping idiot.

[Kbiomech]

I like the last point: how you shouldn't set out to prove something as it biases your results. From the point of view of methodology, I completely agree. I can attest to that bias being harmful or at least limiting in that it took me well over a decade of attempting to prove that there is or was a deity rather than the rather simple disproofs that I know now.

[BestVideosEver01]

well thats funny, cus the only reason people dont beleive in 'God is because of ignorance of him and who he is. funny like that aint it.

[Swordsage]

Well, every time i hear that, I then ask the believer if they know God, and when I hear the usual yes, I then ask what his voice is like, what's his favorite sports team, and if they have him on speed dial. Because to know someone is to be able to interact with them on a daily basis. So a believer who knows god should be able to at least get them on the phone, or able to come over the house so that they can get others to know him too. And that should solve the problem.

[BestVideosEver01]

well we can do most of that stuff, we can get others to know him and we can interact with him at any time of any day. god is not a human that he should have a favorite sports team.

[Swordsage]

If you interact with something, you should be able to describe it. So I humbly ask if you can describe his voice to me. or what he looks like.

[BestVideosEver01]

if you go to a medium/large sized church where the members are geniune and worship Jesus, wait till they start singing hymns, how loud and tramendous it is can actualy be quite scarey, i imagine thats a fraction of what Gods voice would be like.

[Swordsage]

And which "word" would that be? The one in the Bible? How about the Koran, or the Enuma Elish, or the Bagda Veda, or the Avesta? Maybe you're referring to the Kojiki, or the Nihongi. And which god are you referring to? Yahweh, Zeus, Allah, Ahura Mazda, Krishna, Vishnu, Shiva, Ra, Horus, Cerrunous, Odin, Frigga, Thor... the list goes on. As you can see (hopefully), there are many "truths" and gods to chose from.

I don't believe in myth. You're not special for doing so, nor do you know truth.

[Swordsage]

So god has revealed himself to you? what does he look like?

And if I'm the one who believes in myth, explain to me why you can't come up with any forms of proof other than from your bible. If your god exists, I should be able to experience him outside of your biblical context. I can't, and neither can you. You can't call him up on speed dial. He doesn't come visiting your house. You've never heard his voice. this entity only exists in a book that is full of errors, hence MYTH.

[Swordsage]

Something else you could consider: your god is supposed to be everywhere, and included in everything. So how is it possible that I've never seen, heard, or experienced any presence of this entity at all? If what you believe is true, I would have by now.

[Swordsage]

BS answer. There are a lot of things in the world, like oxygen, that one can't see, but it can be proven to exist. God still can't be proven to exist at ALL, and the best you guys can come up for that is a catch all "well you just have to BELIEVE in him!", like Santa or the Tooth Fairy. This is a pathetic argument; no one thinking critically could see that as a factual statement. Either it exists or or doesn't; believing in something won't make it "magically" appear, except in your mind.

[Dudex58]

I believe in a certain evolution, not the monkey to man. The monkey to man seems to me like the Indians were crows and became humans.Which btw I am native myself,and african. As your friend said it has to be tested over and over again, you can't retest a billion years to see if something evovled.

[NichtDieseTone]

You CAN trace ERV:s though. ERV. Wiki, read, weep.

[Dudex58]

Actually Santa is a pagan and if u respell it Satan,you won't believe how much of musicians have subliminal messages which give u this belief, remember your friend said nothing is really proven, the mind doesn't really see anything, or feel, the mind is in darkness,remember that, it is only given signals to a certain part of brain, giving a sense of a reality.

[Swordsage]

Lastly, I ask you to go back and read the story of the tower of Babel. In case you forgot, God came down to see them building this tower, and was afraid of what humans were able to accomplish, particularly building a tower to reach heaven. So he scrambled their language to keep them from doing this.

1: It is impossible to build something that high. The thin atmosphere alone would kill off anyone up there.

2: There is no heaven in the sky.

3: Why would god be afraid of them reaching him?

[Swordsage]

This has got to be one of the weakest answers to this that I've encountered yet.

To build a tower to the "heavens" is to build a tower to the sky. Sky and heaven is used interchangeably even today since back then they thought the sky WAS heaven. ANYONE in the sky would have a problem breathing up there, which is why it would have been impossible to build something that high. So why would god stop them... unless this is just a myth that makes sense to those that believed heaven was :up there".

[Swordsage]

Secondly, where in the Bible does it say there is more than one heaven? Where?? Considering that you seem to only use the bible to prove your claims (which is not how one would show proof of something: you need multiple 3rd party sources), I think it's reasonable to ask that question. And no, the line that jesus said about his father's domain having many mansions doesn't count, since the domain itself is supposed to be heaven.

[Swordsage]

Thirdly, figuring out that god was afraid of them reaching him comes from reading comprehension... you know, that important skill we were taught in school that people like you suspend when you read your bibles. God seemed to not want humans to be able to do anything that they could put their minds to... WHY? why would he want to stop that? and why would he want to stop them from building something that could reach "heaven"... something that is physically impossible anyway? Use your brain.

[Swordsage]

Lastly, the very nature of the story proves it's a myth. Never mind the fact that the premise is impossible; the nature of the story itself is similar to so many different "explanation myths" all over the world. They all follow a pattern of "Because of this, this and this, that's why we have X today." If you decide to do a bit of research into this you'll see what I mean. there is nothing particularly special about the bible in this regard. It only seems so because you guys want it to be.

[bamboo4tameshigiri]

***** and favorited

[Jcolinsol]

To my mind Emergence Theory informs the concept of Evolution.

[justPLAINolEZ]

"if you don't believe in something based on ignorance...that's where i have a problem"

i did quote that, but it's not word for word. it relays the same message though. i agree.

to deny something you know NOTHING about is ignorance at it's worst.

[lucas080804]

For how long would one expect tissue to remain pliable at the centre of a dinosaur bone after the creature died?

a) 6.5 years

b) 65 years

c) 650 years

d) 6,500 years

e) 65,000 years

f) 650,000 years

g) 65,000 000 years

f) some other figure

[danillum]

I'm dying to know the correct answer lucas.

[Peekingduck]

Might be a good thing to point out that Darwin's and LeMarc's evolutional theories are not apposing each other as much as they agree or things may get silly...

Thanks for the clip.

[Kamidake83]

Poor vid quality and poor sound but the message is pure gold! It is a real shame that your views are not in the thousands.

[capricornchick]

more people should watch this

, 'popular lies' :) nicely said

, i feel so grateful that i live in an area where evolution is taught, and the text books are published from the 21st century. Is evolution taught in the U.S? or/and creationism?

, the 'gravitation doesn't exist' interested me :D will definatly yahoo that

, the biased point at the end was also good :D

kudos

[hitoallandme]

Robertsonian translocation

[coach10brown]

actually you are wrong. the term evolution has changed drastically over time. First reason for that is Mendelian Genetics were not discovered until after the Origin of Species was published (so it couldn't have been integral in Darwin's theory) and Mendel's work wasn't popularized until the early 20th century. as such, our understanding and the definition of evolution has changed over time. but, welcome to science, all theories change, they evolve and become simpler and/or more descriptive.

[Aim2Maim]

rock on dude awesome vid! props to ur bud Adam too! off to vid #2-6!