tHEY SHOULD BE SCREAMING FOR JOBS SO THEY CAN GET THEIR OWN INSURANCE! REDUCE THE COST OF MEDICAL SUPPLIES AND CREATE JOBS! DUMMIES NOTHING IS FREE YOU GUYS....GET SOME KNOWLEDGE...YOU WILL PAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. FREE OR ENSLAVED! RON PAUL 2012
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Go do your own research. Go look at Ron Paul's track record and you'll see for yourself that he has never took any money from special interest and that he has always stood up for the american people and the U.S. constitution as well the principle upon which this country and nation was founded by our foudning fathers such as Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, George Washington, etc.
Go do your own research. Go look at Ron Paul's track record and ytu'll see for yourself that he has never took any money from special interest and that he has always stood up for the american people and the U.S. constitution as well the principle upon which this country and nation was founded by our foudning fathers such as Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, George Washington, etc.
OBAMA, DEMOCRATS, USA ; WAKE UP ! RON PAUL DOESNT KNOW HOW TO CREATE JOBS! POPULATION OF CHINA IS 1.4B, POPULATION OF USA IS 310 MLN ! RON PAUL USES WORDS ;CONSTITUTION AND LIBERTY , DEEP INSIDE HE DOESNT HAVE AN ANSWER HOW TO CREATE JOBS, CHINESE WORK LIKE ROBOTS, AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL NEVER WORK LIKE ANTS, WAKE UP AMERICA, RON PAUL IS DANGEROUS FOR OUR COUNTRY, HE GIVES USA BAD NAME AROUND THE WORLD! WHAT KIND OF AMERICAN CALLS HIS OWN PEOPLE WAR CRIMINALS? RON PAUL MUST BE PROSECUTED!
Howard dean knew it would pass, because 2700 pages given to read 5 min before midnight and then sign it without even reading a word. A majority house and senate of democrates shoved it up our ass. Polsky "sign it then see whats in it" dumb bitch. When will America wake up and see the country needs Ron Paul 2012 or 2013 will make 1929 look like winning the lottery.
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Ron Paul is an idiot, first he says people shouldn't expect free stuff from the government, but why the hell did the US government give billions of dollars to banks, so the CEO could pay themselves 5 gazillion dollars for a shitty job. There's plenty of money for a single payer system, how about stopping the wars and using that money to have affordable healthcare.
@mrknowledgeispower1 Ron Paul never voted to bail anyone out man... check ur facts and ron paul also believes we should end the war!!!!! Ron Paul has NEVER voted for a spending bill, check his voting record
@mrknowledgeispower1 Have you heard anything Ron Paul says or looked at his voting record? Transferiing wealth from the American people by our government to bailout Banks is called Corporatism. Stopping it is one of the basic planks of his platform.
He is also the only presidential candidate who is serious about bringing our troops home and using that money to pay down our debt.
He believes with a strong economy the private sector can do a better job than government providing health care
@kshRox01 Ron Paul may say the right things, but when it comes to action he will fail, for example Mr. Obama said the right things, and he did nothing, because the corporation who really run the country has the final say in what happens. If Ron is ever elected, we will have to wait and see if he will stand up to the powerful corporation. Politician are for sale, their loyalty is only to their contributors. The health care system sucks, 50 million uninsured.
@mrknowledgeispower1 I absolutely understand and respect your cynisism, I haven't voted in a presidential election since the mid 90's. I believe Ron Paul is different, not because I like what he says, but because you can verify he has been saying the same things for 30 years. Even when challenged, marginalized and ridiculed as a kook which until recently the mainstream media (right & left) has been able to do, he stands by his positions. Don't believe me, check him out for yourself.
@kshRox01 Well, it's all good and dandy that Ron Paul stands up for what he believes in, and I respect that. It's obvious that Ron Paul should be the next president, but he's not even the front runner of the Republican party, in a recent poll it was Romney and Bachmann neck and neck. So it's up to Americans to make Paul president, will it happen, I don't think so.
@mrknowledgeispower1 No.. you are a fucking idiot. He said we should get out of all other nations and pay down our debt, you fucking moron. And he despises that the gov't gave any money to banks. Wake the fuck up before spewing your ignorance next time. You have zero knowledge, so you should change your moniker to retarded fool weakling.
@kickyerass No. you are the idiot. Just like I said to the other idiot, Mr. Ron Paul is a politician, he will say the right things, which he is doing, but if he is ever elected will he have the courage to face the power elite, such AIPAC, Wall Street, Military industry complex, and Corporations. Will Ron Paul have the courage to raise taxes on the wealthiest 1%, I think not. If you haven't notice, politician are for sale, they all say the right things, but when it comes to action, fail.
@mrknowledgeispower1 Yeah just look at his voting record through over 30 years in Congress. He has always stood up to these people, and he is the only one that will if elected. Ron Paul talks and walks
@johnsurs22 How can you be so sure, how do you know Mr. Paul will stand up to special interest. The only way to find out if Mr. Paul will stand up to special interest is if the people will elect him. So, if the people elect Paul, then you can make a judgement, so until then your opinion is worthless. It doesn't matter what Mr. Paul has done over 30 years, running for president is a whole different ballgame, and if you want to play you have to play by rules set by the elite.
@mrknowledgeispower1 No, voting record matters a lot. Other presidents have always voted for bills that favor special interests, so it's no surprise when they get elected and start to favor special interest.Ron Paul is "Dr No." He is so principled that he has been saying the same thing for so many years even when saying the popular things could have won him the seat. Now people are coming around.Others are all about politics.Ron Paul is a doctor first.He couldn't care less about special interest
@mrknowledgeispower1 I just read the first post. Ron Paul voted against the bail out and strongly advocated against it; don't treat Ron Paul like a neocon. Ron Paul is a consistent principled person. He has, like you, suggested stopping the war and using the funds to make Medicare and Social Security solvent. Do your research on the guy first; don't just spew angry rants
@johnsurs22 OK, lets give Paul an applause, for voting against the bailout, but it didn't matter Wall Street got the bailout anyway. Now to answer your second response, OK Mr. Paul may be principled and all that good stuff, but just like I said in my previous response that doesn't matter in the America political game. For you to say that Mr. Paul will stand up to special interest is speculation, you don't know and I don't know.
@mrknowledgeispower1 You are a stupid idiotic moron. Ron Paul is a truely sincere and honest man. He is pro-U.S. Constitution. Once he is president he will do exactly what he say he is going to do, because he is not like all the other politicians in Washington D.C. He will restore the U.S.A back to its former glory by giving the american people back their country and nation. Ron Paul is the man who can turn this country around in a good positive direction before its too late.
@mrrose3085 How do you know? The big word is "if" he becomes president. What makes you so sure that he will do the things he says, you underestimate the power of special interest, who really run your country. Just like I said before honor and integrity doesn't matter in American politics, it is all about money, and the ones who have it are the ones who control politics.
@mrknowledgeispower1 You are right, it's all about money, but slowly but surly Ron Pauls money-bombs of WE THE PEOPLE see his honesty, and his integrity and his principal, the question becomes, 'when' instead of 'if'. We raise the $ for him. Ron Paul's stance's have never changes, and his suporters keep growing, and if you want to see real "Change" you would have to learn the business cycle, sound monetary policy and foreign policy, then Ron Paul is obviously your vote- RON PAUL 2012
@jakobeckert Yes! OK Mr. Paul is Mr. integrity and Mr. Honesty, but so what, none of those traits matter in America's political system. For example, Mr. Obama has Honesty and integrity as traits as well, but he is a failure. Now Barack is not Ron, they're two different men, maybe Ron would change things, we would have to wait and see. It's near impossible to change a political system controlled by corporations and financial institutions whose only motivation is profit.
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams
President Obama had Honesty, he had Integrity to my knowledge until he lied, and He even went against his own positions. Those traits which I hoped he had, are not traits he has, HE HAS LIED COUNTLESSLY. Obama votes with the bankers in mind.. near, is not never
@jakobeckert O.k. first let me respond to the quote, yes, it is the minority who knows whats going on, but the minority can't put Ron Paul in office. Will the majority of voters vote for Ron Paul, I doubt it.
Yes, President Obama did lie, compared to his campaign speeches. Just like all politicians, they serve who pays their campaign funds. Elections are ran on money. Mr. Obama wasn't strong enough to stand up to the elites, such as corporation and banks. Mr. Paul will be no different.
@jakobeckert O.k. first let me respond to the quote, yes, it is the minority who knows whats going on, but the minority can't put Ron Paul in office. Will the majority of voters vote for Ron Paul, I doubt it.
Yes, President Obama did lie, compared to his campaign speeches. Just like all politicians, they serve who pays their campaign funds. Elections are ran on money. Mr. Obama wasn't strong enough to stand up to the elites, such as corporation and banks. Mr. Paul will be no different.
@mrknowledgeispower1 That's cool, that's an opinion, but I will make a wager on that, If Ron Paul Get's into Office he won't be a sell out, He will stick to his principles, and Even If only the one thing he can do, which is using the executive branch to bring our troops home, That in itself will be worthwhile. Yea, I can put my money where my Mouth is, and My mouth is my tool to spread the message of liberty, and to tell as many ppl as I know vote Ron Paul 2012!!!
@mrknowledgeispower1 The one who you just called an Idiot voted against giving corporate interests a bailout, and voted against TARP, and all forms of corporate-ism. don't just take my word, look at his voting record, he doesn't support any mix of business with government (including the Healthcare bill) He's also been urging his colleagues in congress to stop wars since he's been office! look it up! Ron Paul is no Idiot, he called the financial crashes, he know's to not tread on peoples liberty
@jakobeckert Ron Paul and the other politicians who voted against the bailout should be applauded. Now, I can agree with a lot of the things Mr. Paul says. If Mr. Paul is ever elected president, then I want to see if he will stand by his words, and will he stand up against the power elite and not whimper like Obama.
@jakobeckert Ron Paul and the other politicians who voted against the bailout should be applauded. Now, I can agree with a lot of the things Mr. Paul says. If Mr. Paul is ever elected president, then I want to see if he will stand by his words, and will he stand up against the power elite and not whimper like Obama.
Americans have been lied to. I compiled a blog titled "Corporate Executives Deny 57 Million Americans Healthcare - by Bill Woollam" Just Google that.
The US health care system is one of the worst in the world and has been compromised by the US Administration, the Health Insurance and Management Offices, and American Medical Assoc.
Can., Britain, France,Cuba, Australia have hassle free, debt-free, comprehensive, universal health plans where every citizen receives health care with no added costs
@michealati2 haha comon dude. I'm sure lots of people would respond like that. you think a movement inpired by the Constitution is somehow related to kkk members. In your field of view don't you think there would be headline news if black people were being physically assaulted or even just abused verbally. Or are they just wanting to stand beside them for now until the government actually listens to what they want then go back to there black hating ways...? highly unlikely...
Havent any of the liberals & neo cons learned that there is no such thing as a free lunch? geez- people dont understand property rights at all- quite sad
Because trusting your health to a company that considers every time you go to the doctor a risk to their profits is true American freedom.
Think about it next time you see the doctor. You are hurting the profits of a giant corporation and they are going to find every way that they can to drop your coverage to save profit. Is it really that hard to understand why we need a single-payer system or do we need to marinade in terrible health care for awhile longer?
@Geekboy20X6 The Government is an angel when it comes to regulating, but when it runs operations of a service it becomes the demon it was suppose to regulate.
Here in Germany the system works pretty well - nobody is complaining about helping those who cannot help themselves to be at least healthy. It's inhuman to let people suffer only because it costs a few dollars.
On the economic side unhealthy people are not able to participate and contribute to the community (with their work and the money they spend) as they could if they would be in good shape - which makes it a pretty simple calculation.
People's brains are in their own pockets only it seems.
@Orionx30 And even if it would cost Billions - this would still be a better cause than to spend it for warfare. Just compare how big the military budget is in opposite to the healthcare budget - or education - or for any other cause for that matter.
Ron Paul has some good sides, but this issue i just cannot understand why he is against it.
Don't let the private healthcare rip you american people. Do as every other rich nation around the world --> raise the tax's a little and wupti everyone has free healthcare. No more worries, about wich finger you want to keep, because you don't have the money for fixing both fingers.
Oh and why does the exact same medicin cost 120 % less in Cuba?That does not make any fakking sense, it's the same drug
ron paul might be the turning point in our history he has my vote and he should have everyones specially the ones who have no jobs or any faith in gov and if you don't vote your dumb fuk of america.
ron paul might be the turning point in our history he has my vote and he should have everyones specially the ones who have no jobs or any faith in gov and if you don't vote your dumb fuk of america.
Can someone show a better way? I went to the hospital and the bill will never be paid because I live on $923 a month,. I have to fill for bankruptcy before I cannot movie into income based housing. I have rent in the past due because of marriage problems.
Do not let the government take your money, it will only make you poorer. Once the money goes into that compulsory healthcare account its as good as gone. They will take steps slowly but surely, to impose restrictions on the account until such a time it becomes more a burden than help to the poor. I know this firsthand as this has already been implemented for near 10 years or more in my country.
Universal healthcare will not work. I live outside of the US and in my country they have a compulsory healthcare system where it is a mandate to pay a fix percentage of your salary into your healthcare account till retirement. And this amount of money cannot ever be used for any other purpose, cannot be withdrawn, and has to remain in account till you die.
For many poor people who live by the day , who cannot even afford their daily expenses, being forced to contribute to this compulsory healthcare policy is devastating to them, may it be just 10-20% of their working salary. On top of it, they will have lots of regulation regarding on which areas, what kind of illness, which class ward A , B ,C you are 'allowed' to pay your medical bills with your healthcare savings.
The Federal Government does NOT have the authority to manage healthcare, insurance, social security, education, environmental regulations, etc. Ron Paul is the only person in Washington who knows and DEFENDS the Constitution of the United States. Yes, I may be a nutjob, but I know the history of our founding as a republic.
Amen. People need to realize this, too. They have no Constitutional basis whatsoever. If health reform needs to be done, it has to be done at the state level.
Why don't they seperate the bill into the Libertarians solutions for reducing costs, and the Democrats ideas for either public insurance or public health care. I don't see why democrats would have any trouble with voting for libertarian solutions to lower costs.
Yeah that is always funny. When you want to follow the constitution and the foot steps of our founding fathers you are considered crazy. Sounds like a lack of education(American History). Thank god we have a Department of Education to help dumb down the masses of America.
It depends on the person. If you agree that blacks are very fleet-footed, that Jews control the global economy, that evolution is bogus, and that we should embrace social Darwinism, then I'd say you are loony.
Bush talked about so called "Human right" of Iraq and "nuclear program" in Iraq before invade Iraq. Obama want to do the same. Did obama respect human right!!!! in Iraq Abbu garib jail, Guentemala and lots of hidden undocumented jail run by USA. Gaza Genocide voted in favour by USA's Congress, and Mass murder in Iraq by USA's undocumented "Black water" Contractor. Iran should have nuclear program to protect the coming violation of Human right done by USA + Israel.
Ron Paul thinks healthcare should be a for profit business, which makes money by letting people die and also calls himself "pro-life" and "libertarian?" Ron Paul is for a private sector bureaucrat between you and your doctor, the worst kind of bureaucrat because they are unaccountable to the public and are completely undemocratic. Ron Paul is not for liberty, but total tyranny.
actually, ron paul recognizes that government has nothing so it has to take from one group in order to provide services for another, which is unconstitutional.
as an advocate of free market economics, paul believes that the marketplace is best suited to deliver health care services if it were not for government legislating impediments barring competition within the health insurance industry.
impediments such as mckarran-ferguson giving each state market anti-trust immunity and state laws which force insurers to provide certain services which many experts agree substantially raise to price of premiums
and if you look at every other technology based industry, like wireless communications and electronics, the price of products and services decrease each successive year, whereas health care increases in cost higher than the rate of inflation each year.
you have to ask yourself, is government over regulating this market, with subsidies for certain insurers, state mandates, anti-trust immunity, etc, and causing health care to be so expensive and politicians like paul to doubt the ability and sincerity of government to adaquately reform it.
I don't care what the plutocratic constitution says. The founding fathers had us living in debt as well. They were traitors to all who fought the American Revolution.
If you're indeed against theft, you and Paul should be against the "free" market which entails that there is a private sector bureaucrat (CEO/boss/dictator plutocracy) between you and the market stealing the profit from your labor.
You're not against theft, but against taken back what's been stolen from hard working Americans. 1% holds 95% of OUR wealth!
actually, you are incorrect, but it is a common error. Imyself and paul are against the current system because it is a corporatist system, which is what you describe, and not a free market system.
free market economics is the polar opposite of corporatism. Corporatism is a social, political and economic system in which large corporate interests control every industry, under the direction of government. In a free market economic system, industries are not controlled by large corporations and government regulation of the marketplace entails protecting consumers from force and fraud, not favoring certain companies with subsidies and favorable tax laws.
in a free market, individuals have more access to wealth and the means of producing wealth, does that sound like the united states? No? well then it's not a free market economic system.
Didn't say it was a free market, but capitalism has lead to this no doubt. The U.S. is a capitalist country because the means of production is privately controlled. A truly absolute "free" market society has NEVER existed because it perpetuates greed/selfishness. It is a utopian fantasy.
so it is your contention that truly free markets do not exist because the greedy, selfish global elite do not want to perpetuate greed and selfish. doesn't make much sense. In my opinion, you do not understand what corporatism, capitalism and free market economics mean, even after i first brought them up in the discussion, you appear to have neglected to merely google them. if this were a debate, i would have won simply because you failed to define the principle terms... c'mon man!!
the 1/95 percent ratio that you are so fond of quoting is accurate because of corporatism, not capitalism. Again, you should really find out what that means. private ownership of the means of production exists in both corporatist and capitalist systems, fyi. and so you know, the same bankers that fund corporatist and capitalist societies, fund socialist, communist and facist societies.
and are you of the opinion that goods and services should not be exchanged freely and that people should not be allowed to own property... If so, wow.
And the U.S. was committing massive atrocities pre-1913. That's your almost pure capitalism? Slavery? Women not being able to vote? Gun duels in the streets? Imperialism? Massive debts? The civil war? Doesn't look like a good society to me.
everything you mention here deals with governance and politics, with the exception of debt, and capitalism is a purely economic system. And massive debts did not occur in this country until after the federal reserve act passed in 1913, up till that point we had never experienced a depression.
in your collective use scenerio, who pays people to manage property, farm land and manufacture things that people want and need, and where does that money come from...
Corporatist/fascist Mussolini and Hitler banned labour unions and strikes, while cutting taxes for corporations and subsidizing big agribusiness. Sound like Reaganism to me... lol. Corporatism definitely not socialism/democracy.
Check out the movie the Corporation if you have the time and like hearing different perspectives.
Any monetary based economies will have it's citizens living in debt. Even before the federal reserve, even during the founders lifetimes, there were wage slaves living in debt. I support a resource-based where all goods and services are available without the use of money, credits, barter or any other system of debt or servitude.
Capitalism is more than economic. Privatization of means of production just after the slaves were freed was a horrible society. White people had a monopoly on the means of production/the land and blacks had very little wealth at all. They were still slaves. Then we had to pass welfare because the white people still couldn't share their wealth. And affirmative action because white people didn't want to hire blacks. These things all had to be passed because of the immoral capitalist system.
It depends on the property as I said before. Property that is not intended for one's own personal use, should be owned by those who actually use it, such as a sweat-shop where US owners are sitting here in America sipping a martini, while people in third-world countries are wage slaves.
It sounds to me like you are not for the freedom for wage slaves to organize. Is this true, and if so why? :)
''property is not intended for one's own personal use, '' please explain how that is not ''authoritarian,'' young pimpin. and what better way to emancipate oneself from ''wage slavery'' than to start your own business. And i can state from personal experience, in selling services to small businesses and having owned a small business that the majority of small business owners in america work a great deal harder than those who have a 9 to 5. and as a libertarian, i always error on...
and if america had been a true free market society during re-construction and the civil rights era then black people would have been freer, because you still had the madame cj walker's and black wall street making it happen back then, to own the means of production and do for themselves.
A "free" market society was not good for freed slaves, as we saw pre-Civil Rights Act in America. White privilege clearly had a very bad effect on the black community. They are still struggling today to have rights in the workplace.
you are correct, and that's because non-whites, immigrants and women at that time were denied equal access to the means of production, voting and property rights as white men. that by definition is a controlled market economy, not a free market.
If every wage slave can start a business where are all these capitalists going to find workers? Also there are not enough resources for each of us to have an individual monopoly over the MoP. Since there are limited resources there are some things that must be shared.
People should own what they actively use, and what you have earned through you labor. But since their are limited resources, some things should be collectively owned like land/food/water/means of production.
Corporatism is a branch of capitalism, because in both the means of production are privately owned. You're clearly the one who doesn't even know what your own ideology entails. That's sad. Funny thing is, you haven't even attempted to set my "inaccuracies" straight. Maybe because you know I'm right on what capitalism is.
"the same bankers that fund corporatist and capitalist societies, fund socialist, communist and facist societies."
Yeah, because they want to strengthen the global capitalist system that has 40% of the worlds wealth in 1% of the worlds hands. Just so you know, fascism and corporatism are the same.
"Corporatism is a social, political and economic system in which large corporate interests control every industry, under the direction of government."
No the government subsidizes big corps and allows them to get away with crimes and fraud because CEO/bankers have money and pay off senators/congressman. The corps control the government, not the other way around. Government is a tool that is in the corporations hands, not the people. It is a plutocracy. All brought to u by the free market.
Which considering how unhealthy america lives.. its a nightmare..
This sorta thing encourages being fat and lazy.. I dont mind pitch a dollar here or there for sum guy with cancer.. but i dont want the gov.t controlling my money and spending it ineffeciently
@SENTRY000 What about people who dont drive cars that get taxed for roads and upgrades and maintence? Should they cry because they dont drive a car ? No they understand its for the better of the nation, they understand together we can do things , seperated were useless . If i never go to the hospital all my life or the doctors , i will be happy to pay taxes knowing someone else who needs healthcare gets it. k thnx
untrue. As a person who doesn't drive a car, I hate the fact that I have to pay taxes for construction company subsidies who are taking advantage of what little money I earn. Not to mention the fact that it makes me feel as though I'm pretty much being forced to take part in an immoral practice of enabling a major problem of community sedation.
That said, driving is a privilege not a right. As it states in any drivers manual.
The source of man’s rights is not divine law or congressional law, but the law of identity. A is A—and Man is Man. Rights are conditions of existence required by man’s nature for his proper survival. If man is to live on earth, it is right for him to use his mind, it is right to act on his own free judgment, it is right to work for his values and to keep the product of his work. If life on earth is his purpose, he has a right to live as a rational being: nature forbids him the irrational.
I don't even understand why the Federal government has to get involved at all. Isn't this a state issue? If the people in your state want more government health care can't you just do it at the state level? Putting this back to the states would pretty much kills all the controversy.
I am Canadian and health care is free in my country. Our system is not perfect, mainly because of the waiting list although emergencies have no wait time. For the worker earning around 50K, the tax rate is at least 40% if not more. There are pros and cons in each system, so the question is "in what kind of society do you to live in"
We're not rich like you are in Canada; we can't afford your health care system.
The USA appears to be a wealthy nation because it has been able to leverage the USD due to it being the world's defacto global reserve currency to bring artificial and unsustainable capital flows into the USA. We have a combined debt of 57 Trillion, more than 350% of GDP.
You and the rest of the world are about to see the the American Emperor has no clothes.
I want to live in a society dominated by so much FREEDOM that I am constantly looking out for my safety! I am not joking, looking for one's self is the best way to develop independent thinking skills and the best way to protect one's self from propaganda! All while still been respectful and compassionate to my fellow men.
how everything else is paid for... by putting people out of work. the money is being taken away from being able to pay for salaries and being put into the coffers of Washington.
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Ron Paul is an extremist. His heart is in the right place, but he takes everything to the nth degree. He believes the government should stay out of most things and not have regulation. Look at what no regulation did to the financial markets? Look at what it's doing to healthcare. Companies will exploit holes in the system regardless who gets hurt, unless someone plugs the holes. That's where regulation makes sense. That's the reason why the banking industry didn't collapse in Canada.
Oh please. You have no idea what an extremist is. If you think there's been no regulation in any aspect of the USA and world markets, you are a fool. Show me where there's been no regulation according to your words.
Don't get me wrong. I like Ron Paul. He just seems so black and white about issues and scares people off.
Clinton substantially deregulated the US financial markets as one of his last tasks as President. Bush left it alone. It has been discussed by many economists that this deregulation caused a free for all that caused the recent collapse.
"black and white" as in "right and wrong"....that is sad.......Howard Dean's justification for this terrible idea is that other countries have it.....he's a fucking idiot
What economists have discussed it? Do research. Then come back.
Ron Paul is a straight shooter. He is not black and white on anything. He is against big government payouts and an addiction to the welfare state. That's not black and white.
Companies cannot "exploit the system" if the government would just remove all the regulations that indirectly subsidize them. If an industry collapses after it has been deregulated it just means that it is incompetent and dependent on support from the government. Bankruptcy is the markets way of clearing the system of its waste.
Regulation is not there to protect the businesses against themselves, but to protect the victims. If they go bankrupt, so be it and good riddance. It's not the point of regulation. Regulation prevents, for example, over leveraging...ie sub prime mortgages that have no purpose but to cheat the consumer. Another example is to discourage over leveraging by setting reasonable standards.
In healthcare, ensure pre-existing conditions are not denied. Perfect example of exploiting system.
Your right. Regulations aren't there to protect businesses. I'm just saying that some regulations cause unintended consequences and end up subsidizing the corporation. Its what the lobbyists for the corporate interests try to do.
No, he believes in the Constitution! He's as extreme as our Forefathers were!! He knows that getting back to the Constitution is the only way to fix the problems we face,
Sigh again at people that don't understand Ron Paul. Look he hates socialized medicine, BUT he also hates corporate medicine. What he wants and believes in is an industry that is just as competitive as all the others. Aka meaning that Insurance companies have greater competition between each other, BUT can not deny life of a patient (like they are doing now). It's complex standing he's taking on it. i don't agree with it 100%, but i understand it. I say let everyone have it, but tax us.
if you close the dept of education then I would be fine with a healthcare reform because then it would have the money. But then again we could use that money for something like increasing congress pay.
I'll give you a proof. On CNN he sad Canadian health care system is less free than the US health care system (if you consider US health care a system at all).
This comes from a guy who has never used Canadian health care system. You know what I have used it.
tHEY SHOULD BE SCREAMING FOR JOBS SO THEY CAN GET THEIR OWN INSURANCE! REDUCE THE COST OF MEDICAL SUPPLIES AND CREATE JOBS! DUMMIES NOTHING IS FREE YOU GUYS....GET SOME KNOWLEDGE...YOU WILL PAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. FREE OR ENSLAVED! RON PAUL 2012
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Willcoop81 3 months ago
There are so many countries you can move to to get free health care. Why screw up Amerika?
ray77j 4 months ago
Go do your own research. Go look at Ron Paul's track record and you'll see for yourself that he has never took any money from special interest and that he has always stood up for the american people and the U.S. constitution as well the principle upon which this country and nation was founded by our foudning fathers such as Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, George Washington, etc.
mrrose3085 4 months ago
Go do your own research. Go look at Ron Paul's track record and ytu'll see for yourself that he has never took any money from special interest and that he has always stood up for the american people and the U.S. constitution as well the principle upon which this country and nation was founded by our foudning fathers such as Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, George Washington, etc.
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democratsaresmart 6 months ago
Free healthcare? Nothing in this world is free.
streetz23 7 months ago 2
Howard dean knew it would pass, because 2700 pages given to read 5 min before midnight and then sign it without even reading a word. A majority house and senate of democrates shoved it up our ass. Polsky "sign it then see whats in it" dumb bitch. When will America wake up and see the country needs Ron Paul 2012 or 2013 will make 1929 look like winning the lottery.
Kavenger11 7 months ago
I want the government out of my choice.
TheRichieCShow 8 months ago 10
The People Need The Same, Health Care, As The People Thay Elect.......
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Ron Paul is an idiot, first he says people shouldn't expect free stuff from the government, but why the hell did the US government give billions of dollars to banks, so the CEO could pay themselves 5 gazillion dollars for a shitty job. There's plenty of money for a single payer system, how about stopping the wars and using that money to have affordable healthcare.
mrknowledgeispower1 9 months ago
@mrknowledgeispower1 Ron Paul never voted to bail anyone out man... check ur facts and ron paul also believes we should end the war!!!!! Ron Paul has NEVER voted for a spending bill, check his voting record
dulkin316 9 months ago 20
@mrknowledgeispower1 Have you heard anything Ron Paul says or looked at his voting record? Transferiing wealth from the American people by our government to bailout Banks is called Corporatism. Stopping it is one of the basic planks of his platform.
He is also the only presidential candidate who is serious about bringing our troops home and using that money to pay down our debt.
He believes with a strong economy the private sector can do a better job than government providing health care
kshRox01 7 months ago
@kshRox01 Ron Paul may say the right things, but when it comes to action he will fail, for example Mr. Obama said the right things, and he did nothing, because the corporation who really run the country has the final say in what happens. If Ron is ever elected, we will have to wait and see if he will stand up to the powerful corporation. Politician are for sale, their loyalty is only to their contributors. The health care system sucks, 50 million uninsured.
mrknowledgeispower1 7 months ago
@mrknowledgeispower1 I absolutely understand and respect your cynisism, I haven't voted in a presidential election since the mid 90's. I believe Ron Paul is different, not because I like what he says, but because you can verify he has been saying the same things for 30 years. Even when challenged, marginalized and ridiculed as a kook which until recently the mainstream media (right & left) has been able to do, he stands by his positions. Don't believe me, check him out for yourself.
kshRox01 7 months ago
@kshRox01 Well, it's all good and dandy that Ron Paul stands up for what he believes in, and I respect that. It's obvious that Ron Paul should be the next president, but he's not even the front runner of the Republican party, in a recent poll it was Romney and Bachmann neck and neck. So it's up to Americans to make Paul president, will it happen, I don't think so.
mrknowledgeispower1 7 months ago
@mrknowledgeispower1 No.. you are a fucking idiot. He said we should get out of all other nations and pay down our debt, you fucking moron. And he despises that the gov't gave any money to banks. Wake the fuck up before spewing your ignorance next time. You have zero knowledge, so you should change your moniker to retarded fool weakling.
kickyerass 6 months ago
@kickyerass No. you are the idiot. Just like I said to the other idiot, Mr. Ron Paul is a politician, he will say the right things, which he is doing, but if he is ever elected will he have the courage to face the power elite, such AIPAC, Wall Street, Military industry complex, and Corporations. Will Ron Paul have the courage to raise taxes on the wealthiest 1%, I think not. If you haven't notice, politician are for sale, they all say the right things, but when it comes to action, fail.
mrknowledgeispower1 6 months ago
@mrknowledgeispower1 Yeah just look at his voting record through over 30 years in Congress. He has always stood up to these people, and he is the only one that will if elected. Ron Paul talks and walks
johnsurs22 6 months ago
@johnsurs22 How can you be so sure, how do you know Mr. Paul will stand up to special interest. The only way to find out if Mr. Paul will stand up to special interest is if the people will elect him. So, if the people elect Paul, then you can make a judgement, so until then your opinion is worthless. It doesn't matter what Mr. Paul has done over 30 years, running for president is a whole different ballgame, and if you want to play you have to play by rules set by the elite.
mrknowledgeispower1 6 months ago
@mrknowledgeispower1 No, voting record matters a lot. Other presidents have always voted for bills that favor special interests, so it's no surprise when they get elected and start to favor special interest.Ron Paul is "Dr No." He is so principled that he has been saying the same thing for so many years even when saying the popular things could have won him the seat. Now people are coming around.Others are all about politics.Ron Paul is a doctor first.He couldn't care less about special interest
johnsurs22 6 months ago
@mrknowledgeispower1 I just read the first post. Ron Paul voted against the bail out and strongly advocated against it; don't treat Ron Paul like a neocon. Ron Paul is a consistent principled person. He has, like you, suggested stopping the war and using the funds to make Medicare and Social Security solvent. Do your research on the guy first; don't just spew angry rants
johnsurs22 6 months ago
@johnsurs22 OK, lets give Paul an applause, for voting against the bailout, but it didn't matter Wall Street got the bailout anyway. Now to answer your second response, OK Mr. Paul may be principled and all that good stuff, but just like I said in my previous response that doesn't matter in the America political game. For you to say that Mr. Paul will stand up to special interest is speculation, you don't know and I don't know.
mrknowledgeispower1 6 months ago
@mrknowledgeispower1 You are a stupid idiotic moron. Ron Paul is a truely sincere and honest man. He is pro-U.S. Constitution. Once he is president he will do exactly what he say he is going to do, because he is not like all the other politicians in Washington D.C. He will restore the U.S.A back to its former glory by giving the american people back their country and nation. Ron Paul is the man who can turn this country around in a good positive direction before its too late.
mrrose3085 4 months ago
@mrrose3085 How do you know? The big word is "if" he becomes president. What makes you so sure that he will do the things he says, you underestimate the power of special interest, who really run your country. Just like I said before honor and integrity doesn't matter in American politics, it is all about money, and the ones who have it are the ones who control politics.
mrknowledgeispower1 4 months ago
@mrknowledgeispower1 You are right, it's all about money, but slowly but surly Ron Pauls money-bombs of WE THE PEOPLE see his honesty, and his integrity and his principal, the question becomes, 'when' instead of 'if'. We raise the $ for him. Ron Paul's stance's have never changes, and his suporters keep growing, and if you want to see real "Change" you would have to learn the business cycle, sound monetary policy and foreign policy, then Ron Paul is obviously your vote- RON PAUL 2012
jakobeckert 4 months ago
@jakobeckert Yes! OK Mr. Paul is Mr. integrity and Mr. Honesty, but so what, none of those traits matter in America's political system. For example, Mr. Obama has Honesty and integrity as traits as well, but he is a failure. Now Barack is not Ron, they're two different men, maybe Ron would change things, we would have to wait and see. It's near impossible to change a political system controlled by corporations and financial institutions whose only motivation is profit.
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mrknowledgeispower1 4 months ago
@mrknowledgeispower1
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams
President Obama had Honesty, he had Integrity to my knowledge until he lied, and He even went against his own positions. Those traits which I hoped he had, are not traits he has, HE HAS LIED COUNTLESSLY. Obama votes with the bankers in mind.. near, is not never
jakobeckert 4 months ago
@jakobeckert O.k. first let me respond to the quote, yes, it is the minority who knows whats going on, but the minority can't put Ron Paul in office. Will the majority of voters vote for Ron Paul, I doubt it.
Yes, President Obama did lie, compared to his campaign speeches. Just like all politicians, they serve who pays their campaign funds. Elections are ran on money. Mr. Obama wasn't strong enough to stand up to the elites, such as corporation and banks. Mr. Paul will be no different.
mrknowledgeispower1 4 months ago
@jakobeckert O.k. first let me respond to the quote, yes, it is the minority who knows whats going on, but the minority can't put Ron Paul in office. Will the majority of voters vote for Ron Paul, I doubt it.
Yes, President Obama did lie, compared to his campaign speeches. Just like all politicians, they serve who pays their campaign funds. Elections are ran on money. Mr. Obama wasn't strong enough to stand up to the elites, such as corporation and banks. Mr. Paul will be no different.
mrknowledgeispower1 4 months ago
@mrknowledgeispower1 That's cool, that's an opinion, but I will make a wager on that, If Ron Paul Get's into Office he won't be a sell out, He will stick to his principles, and Even If only the one thing he can do, which is using the executive branch to bring our troops home, That in itself will be worthwhile. Yea, I can put my money where my Mouth is, and My mouth is my tool to spread the message of liberty, and to tell as many ppl as I know vote Ron Paul 2012!!!
jakobeckert 4 months ago 3
@jakobeckert Then the only thing I can say is good for you, and go for it.
mrknowledgeispower1 4 months ago
@jakobeckert
Ron Paul has been sticking with his principles and following the U.S. Constitution ever since he came into congress in 1976.
jmjfanss 3 weeks ago
@mrknowledgeispower1 The one who you just called an Idiot voted against giving corporate interests a bailout, and voted against TARP, and all forms of corporate-ism. don't just take my word, look at his voting record, he doesn't support any mix of business with government (including the Healthcare bill) He's also been urging his colleagues in congress to stop wars since he's been office! look it up! Ron Paul is no Idiot, he called the financial crashes, he know's to not tread on peoples liberty
jakobeckert 4 months ago
@jakobeckert Ron Paul and the other politicians who voted against the bailout should be applauded. Now, I can agree with a lot of the things Mr. Paul says. If Mr. Paul is ever elected president, then I want to see if he will stand by his words, and will he stand up against the power elite and not whimper like Obama.
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@jakobeckert Ron Paul and the other politicians who voted against the bailout should be applauded. Now, I can agree with a lot of the things Mr. Paul says. If Mr. Paul is ever elected president, then I want to see if he will stand by his words, and will he stand up against the power elite and not whimper like Obama.
mrknowledgeispower1 4 months ago
Americans have been lied to. I compiled a blog titled "Corporate Executives Deny 57 Million Americans Healthcare - by Bill Woollam" Just Google that.
The US health care system is one of the worst in the world and has been compromised by the US Administration, the Health Insurance and Management Offices, and American Medical Assoc.
Can., Britain, France,Cuba, Australia have hassle free, debt-free, comprehensive, universal health plans where every citizen receives health care with no added costs
Chidanandaji 9 months ago
congress does what the people want?
thegooddr1 11 months ago
@michealati2 haha comon dude. I'm sure lots of people would respond like that. you think a movement inpired by the Constitution is somehow related to kkk members. In your field of view don't you think there would be headline news if black people were being physically assaulted or even just abused verbally. Or are they just wanting to stand beside them for now until the government actually listens to what they want then go back to there black hating ways...? highly unlikely...
MrMatchbook 11 months ago
@michealati2 yah your an idiot.
MrMatchbook 11 months ago
cant get enough of paul
brettrobinson101 1 year ago
Havent any of the liberals & neo cons learned that there is no such thing as a free lunch? geez- people dont understand property rights at all- quite sad
swu880 1 year ago
I like how you guys pick a young black woman and an old white man to represent "gimme free stuff!" and "stay out of my wallet!"
sykopath66190 1 year ago
ITS NOT FREE!!!!
Orionx30 1 year ago
Lol @ that lady saying "free healthcare." Nothing is free. Somebody has to pay for it.
Edgehead10075 1 year ago
obamanaba care and socialism with nazis and terrorist healthcare tax scam...
Yeah, Americans are retarded...
Darusdei 1 year ago
Because trusting your health to a company that considers every time you go to the doctor a risk to their profits is true American freedom.
Think about it next time you see the doctor. You are hurting the profits of a giant corporation and they are going to find every way that they can to drop your coverage to save profit. Is it really that hard to understand why we need a single-payer system or do we need to marinade in terrible health care for awhile longer?
Geekboy20X6 1 year ago
@Geekboy20X6 The Government is an angel when it comes to regulating, but when it runs operations of a service it becomes the demon it was suppose to regulate.
Orionx30 1 year ago
Here in Germany the system works pretty well - nobody is complaining about helping those who cannot help themselves to be at least healthy. It's inhuman to let people suffer only because it costs a few dollars.
On the economic side unhealthy people are not able to participate and contribute to the community (with their work and the money they spend) as they could if they would be in good shape - which makes it a pretty simple calculation.
People's brains are in their own pockets only it seems.
MyReligionIs2DoGood 1 year ago
@MyReligionIs2DoGood It doesnt cost a "few dollars..."
Orionx30 1 year ago
@Orionx30 And even if it would cost Billions - this would still be a better cause than to spend it for warfare. Just compare how big the military budget is in opposite to the healthcare budget - or education - or for any other cause for that matter.
MyReligionIs2DoGood 1 year ago
Ron Paul has some good sides, but this issue i just cannot understand why he is against it.
Don't let the private healthcare rip you american people. Do as every other rich nation around the world --> raise the tax's a little and wupti everyone has free healthcare. No more worries, about wich finger you want to keep, because you don't have the money for fixing both fingers.
Oh and why does the exact same medicin cost 120 % less in Cuba?That does not make any fakking sense, it's the same drug
coolnet12see 1 year ago
You don't know why? It's because he's a libertarian. He doesn't like "robbing Peter to pay Paul."
Raise the taxes a little? Lol. I'm all for covering people without insurance, but people who can afford insurance should pay for it themselves.
Edgehead10075 1 year ago
@Edgehead10075
Sigh. Come on now, just research a little in this subject. See how it works in other countries like Denmark, and Sweden.
coolnet12see 1 year ago
@coolnet12see Because America was the country that spent over a billion researching the drug.
Orionx30 1 year ago
@Orionx30
So they sell it extremly cheap to everybody else, except their own people? Come on now.
coolnet12see 1 year ago
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ron paul might be the turning point in our history he has my vote and he should have everyones specially the ones who have no jobs or any faith in gov and if you don't vote your dumb fuk of america.
bxccapricorn 1 year ago
ron paul might be the turning point in our history he has my vote and he should have everyones specially the ones who have no jobs or any faith in gov and if you don't vote your dumb fuk of america.
bxccapricorn 1 year ago
Can someone show a better way? I went to the hospital and the bill will never be paid because I live on $923 a month,. I have to fill for bankruptcy before I cannot movie into income based housing. I have rent in the past due because of marriage problems.
glenncookiowa1979 1 year ago
Ha! Obama's popularity has flatlined since Obamacare! So Dean was wrong.
GodandLiberty 1 year ago
these people still pay for social security.. whats their deal with health care universal?
sniped101 1 year ago
Do not let the government take your money, it will only make you poorer. Once the money goes into that compulsory healthcare account its as good as gone. They will take steps slowly but surely, to impose restrictions on the account until such a time it becomes more a burden than help to the poor. I know this firsthand as this has already been implemented for near 10 years or more in my country.
aurorasnow 1 year ago
Universal healthcare will not work. I live outside of the US and in my country they have a compulsory healthcare system where it is a mandate to pay a fix percentage of your salary into your healthcare account till retirement. And this amount of money cannot ever be used for any other purpose, cannot be withdrawn, and has to remain in account till you die.
aurorasnow 1 year ago
For many poor people who live by the day , who cannot even afford their daily expenses, being forced to contribute to this compulsory healthcare policy is devastating to them, may it be just 10-20% of their working salary. On top of it, they will have lots of regulation regarding on which areas, what kind of illness, which class ward A , B ,C you are 'allowed' to pay your medical bills with your healthcare savings.
Ron Paul is too smart. Do not let them trick you
aurorasnow 1 year ago
oh.. I love that British accent
sniped101 1 year ago
THIS is real journalism. well done :)
jtizz711 1 year ago
It doesn't matter what Dean and his commissars want. Unless I'm mistaken, Americans have a right to life, liberty, and property.
stater68 1 year ago
That old man in the cap has clearly been brainwashed by the FOX propaganda network.
No uprisings over the TARP bailout but on health care reform?
Trollmaster21 1 year ago
did i just hear Dean say.."the american people want it?" hahaha what a joke! a bunch of criminals! GO PAUL
tsteak9 1 year ago
The Federal Government does NOT have the authority to manage healthcare, insurance, social security, education, environmental regulations, etc. Ron Paul is the only person in Washington who knows and DEFENDS the Constitution of the United States. Yes, I may be a nutjob, but I know the history of our founding as a republic.
goober1973 1 year ago
Amen. People need to realize this, too. They have no Constitutional basis whatsoever. If health reform needs to be done, it has to be done at the state level.
HeadCaptain 1 year ago 2
america = constitutional republic
not democracy
twisted45 1 year ago
Why don't they seperate the bill into the Libertarians solutions for reducing costs, and the Democrats ideas for either public insurance or public health care. I don't see why democrats would have any trouble with voting for libertarian solutions to lower costs.
enomarekim 1 year ago
Yeah that is always funny. When you want to follow the constitution and the foot steps of our founding fathers you are considered crazy. Sounds like a lack of education(American History). Thank god we have a Department of Education to help dumb down the masses of America.
Drunkgrenadier 2 years ago
yes you are.
pdaniels9000 2 years ago
It depends on the person. If you agree that blacks are very fleet-footed, that Jews control the global economy, that evolution is bogus, and that we should embrace social Darwinism, then I'd say you are loony.
cashberg 2 years ago
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Ron Paul is one batshit zany crackpot.
cashberg 2 years ago
@cashberg im glad somebody agrees with me! he's, simply, naive.
KeViNNN 2 years ago
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mcduffiesteven 2 years ago
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i see we've never taken an economics class... go to school :)
mckeonjt 2 years ago
Kill the 3000 pg Illegal HC TAX & JAIL Trojan Horse Mandate Bill nobody wants..
Kill the bill..
Vote em out..
nobody wants it..
hadenufnow 2 years ago
Bush talked about so called "Human right" of Iraq and "nuclear program" in Iraq before invade Iraq. Obama want to do the same. Did obama respect human right!!!! in Iraq Abbu garib jail, Guentemala and lots of hidden undocumented jail run by USA. Gaza Genocide voted in favour by USA's Congress, and Mass murder in Iraq by USA's undocumented "Black water" Contractor. Iran should have nuclear program to protect the coming violation of Human right done by USA + Israel.
MonsterIsrael 2 years ago
"so it is your contention that truly free markets do not exist because the greedy, selfish global elite do not want to perpetuate greed and selfish"
When has a "free" market society existed? Name one.
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
Ron Paul thinks healthcare should be a for profit business, which makes money by letting people die and also calls himself "pro-life" and "libertarian?" Ron Paul is for a private sector bureaucrat between you and your doctor, the worst kind of bureaucrat because they are unaccountable to the public and are completely undemocratic. Ron Paul is not for liberty, but total tyranny.
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
actually, ron paul recognizes that government has nothing so it has to take from one group in order to provide services for another, which is unconstitutional.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
as an advocate of free market economics, paul believes that the marketplace is best suited to deliver health care services if it were not for government legislating impediments barring competition within the health insurance industry.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
impediments such as mckarran-ferguson giving each state market anti-trust immunity and state laws which force insurers to provide certain services which many experts agree substantially raise to price of premiums
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
and if you look at every other technology based industry, like wireless communications and electronics, the price of products and services decrease each successive year, whereas health care increases in cost higher than the rate of inflation each year.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
you have to ask yourself, is government over regulating this market, with subsidies for certain insurers, state mandates, anti-trust immunity, etc, and causing health care to be so expensive and politicians like paul to doubt the ability and sincerity of government to adaquately reform it.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
I don't care what the plutocratic constitution says. The founding fathers had us living in debt as well. They were traitors to all who fought the American Revolution.
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
If you're indeed against theft, you and Paul should be against the "free" market which entails that there is a private sector bureaucrat (CEO/boss/dictator plutocracy) between you and the market stealing the profit from your labor.
You're not against theft, but against taken back what's been stolen from hard working Americans. 1% holds 95% of OUR wealth!
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
actually, you are incorrect, but it is a common error. Imyself and paul are against the current system because it is a corporatist system, which is what you describe, and not a free market system.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
paul discusses this very point in a video on youtube in which he responds to michael moore's contention that capitalism has failed america.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
on larry king live
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
@phoenigroupmi - I wasn't talking about corporatism, but the "free" market, the doorway to corporatism.
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
free market economics is the polar opposite of corporatism. Corporatism is a social, political and economic system in which large corporate interests control every industry, under the direction of government. In a free market economic system, industries are not controlled by large corporations and government regulation of the marketplace entails protecting consumers from force and fraud, not favoring certain companies with subsidies and favorable tax laws.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
in a free market, individuals have more access to wealth and the means of producing wealth, does that sound like the united states? No? well then it's not a free market economic system.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
Didn't say it was a free market, but capitalism has lead to this no doubt. The U.S. is a capitalist country because the means of production is privately controlled. A truly absolute "free" market society has NEVER existed because it perpetuates greed/selfishness. It is a utopian fantasy.
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
so it is your contention that truly free markets do not exist because the greedy, selfish global elite do not want to perpetuate greed and selfish. doesn't make much sense. In my opinion, you do not understand what corporatism, capitalism and free market economics mean, even after i first brought them up in the discussion, you appear to have neglected to merely google them. if this were a debate, i would have won simply because you failed to define the principle terms... c'mon man!!
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
How does 1% holding 95% of the financial wealth in America not selfishness? What planet do you live on?
Capitalism is when the means of production is privately controlled. I just told you this.
Now, tell me, are the means of production privately or collectively owned in the US?
Your answer will determine whether or not the United States is "capitalist."
LOL... I don't "google" terms and read through misleading definitions. I see behind the curtain of "free exchange" and "property rights"...
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
the 1/95 percent ratio that you are so fond of quoting is accurate because of corporatism, not capitalism. Again, you should really find out what that means. private ownership of the means of production exists in both corporatist and capitalist systems, fyi. and so you know, the same bankers that fund corporatist and capitalist societies, fund socialist, communist and facist societies.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
the united states prior to 1913 was primarily a free market economy. that's one.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
and are you of the opinion that goods and services should not be exchanged freely and that people should not be allowed to own property... If so, wow.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
And the U.S. was committing massive atrocities pre-1913. That's your almost pure capitalism? Slavery? Women not being able to vote? Gun duels in the streets? Imperialism? Massive debts? The civil war? Doesn't look like a good society to me.
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
everything you mention here deals with governance and politics, with the exception of debt, and capitalism is a purely economic system. And massive debts did not occur in this country until after the federal reserve act passed in 1913, up till that point we had never experienced a depression.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
and what is your source material for claiming that corporatism is a 'branch' of capitalism, send the link...
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
in your collective use scenerio, who pays people to manage property, farm land and manufacture things that people want and need, and where does that money come from...
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
and people who own their homes and businesses 'actively' use their land and their means of production, so shouldn't they own them...
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
Corporatist/fascist Mussolini and Hitler banned labour unions and strikes, while cutting taxes for corporations and subsidizing big agribusiness. Sound like Reaganism to me... lol. Corporatism definitely not socialism/democracy.
Check out the movie the Corporation if you have the time and like hearing different perspectives.
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
No, that doesn't sound like Reaganism. In fact, Reagan was the president of a union. Also, Reagan was against subsidies.
Capitalists aren't against unions.
Edgehead10075 1 year ago
Any monetary based economies will have it's citizens living in debt. Even before the federal reserve, even during the founders lifetimes, there were wage slaves living in debt. I support a resource-based where all goods and services are available without the use of money, credits, barter or any other system of debt or servitude.
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
Capitalism is more than economic. Privatization of means of production just after the slaves were freed was a horrible society. White people had a monopoly on the means of production/the land and blacks had very little wealth at all. They were still slaves. Then we had to pass welfare because the white people still couldn't share their wealth. And affirmative action because white people didn't want to hire blacks. These things all had to be passed because of the immoral capitalist system.
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
it sounds like you're saying that individuals should not be 'free' to own property or businesses. is this accurate, and if so, why?
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
It depends on the property as I said before. Property that is not intended for one's own personal use, should be owned by those who actually use it, such as a sweat-shop where US owners are sitting here in America sipping a martini, while people in third-world countries are wage slaves.
It sounds to me like you are not for the freedom for wage slaves to organize. Is this true, and if so why? :)
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
''property is not intended for one's own personal use, '' please explain how that is not ''authoritarian,'' young pimpin. and what better way to emancipate oneself from ''wage slavery'' than to start your own business. And i can state from personal experience, in selling services to small businesses and having owned a small business that the majority of small business owners in america work a great deal harder than those who have a 9 to 5. and as a libertarian, i always error on...
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
... the side of freedom, ''wage'' or otherwise.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
and if america had been a true free market society during re-construction and the civil rights era then black people would have been freer, because you still had the madame cj walker's and black wall street making it happen back then, to own the means of production and do for themselves.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
at some point, personal responsibility has to factor into the equation.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
A "free" market society was not good for freed slaves, as we saw pre-Civil Rights Act in America. White privilege clearly had a very bad effect on the black community. They are still struggling today to have rights in the workplace.
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
you are correct, and that's because non-whites, immigrants and women at that time were denied equal access to the means of production, voting and property rights as white men. that by definition is a controlled market economy, not a free market.
phoenigroupmi 2 years ago
If every wage slave can start a business where are all these capitalists going to find workers? Also there are not enough resources for each of us to have an individual monopoly over the MoP. Since there are limited resources there are some things that must be shared.
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
If there aren't owners, then there's nobody to hire the workers. There would be nothing for them to own.
Edgehead10075 1 year ago
One can argue that "laissez-faire" capitalism is immoral, but capitalism with some regulations is a success.
Edgehead10075 1 year ago
People should own what they actively use, and what you have earned through you labor. But since their are limited resources, some things should be collectively owned like land/food/water/means of production.
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
Corporatism is a branch of capitalism, because in both the means of production are privately owned. You're clearly the one who doesn't even know what your own ideology entails. That's sad. Funny thing is, you haven't even attempted to set my "inaccuracies" straight. Maybe because you know I'm right on what capitalism is.
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
"the same bankers that fund corporatist and capitalist societies, fund socialist, communist and facist societies."
Yeah, because they want to strengthen the global capitalist system that has 40% of the worlds wealth in 1% of the worlds hands. Just so you know, fascism and corporatism are the same.
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
"Corporatism is a social, political and economic system in which large corporate interests control every industry, under the direction of government."
No the government subsidizes big corps and allows them to get away with crimes and fraud because CEO/bankers have money and pay off senators/congressman. The corps control the government, not the other way around. Government is a tool that is in the corporations hands, not the people. It is a plutocracy. All brought to u by the free market.
TheAntiAuthoritarian 2 years ago
Uh, that's not theft. People CHOOSE to work for a CEO/boss, etc.
I don't care about how much the top 1% make. I'm not the jealous type.
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toknow07 2 years ago
Guns are a right.
Nuclear world?
Edgehead10075 1 year ago
The government should buy my car while they're at it so I can get to work.
ryratt 2 years ago
And I want the government to buy my computers. Everyone has a right to a computer.
ryratt 2 years ago
I want the government to buy my food too.
ryratt 2 years ago
As they say, there is no real thing as a free lunch....
jcfan42 2 years ago
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RightWinger210 2 years ago
all i ever see on ron pauls face when he talks is.
what the FFFFFFFFFFFFfuck is everyone thinking
mchadeath 2 years ago 2
Its not free!
Everyone will pay it with their taxes.
Which means if your healthy, you must spend your money to help the unhealthy.
SENTRY000 2 years ago 6
Which considering how unhealthy america lives.. its a nightmare..
This sorta thing encourages being fat and lazy.. I dont mind pitch a dollar here or there for sum guy with cancer.. but i dont want the gov.t controlling my money and spending it ineffeciently
majortom321 2 years ago
@SENTRY000 What about people who dont drive cars that get taxed for roads and upgrades and maintence? Should they cry because they dont drive a car ? No they understand its for the better of the nation, they understand together we can do things , seperated were useless . If i never go to the hospital all my life or the doctors , i will be happy to pay taxes knowing someone else who needs healthcare gets it. k thnx
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal
untrue. As a person who doesn't drive a car, I hate the fact that I have to pay taxes for construction company subsidies who are taking advantage of what little money I earn. Not to mention the fact that it makes me feel as though I'm pretty much being forced to take part in an immoral practice of enabling a major problem of community sedation.
That said, driving is a privilege not a right. As it states in any drivers manual.
ariklynn 1 year ago
@SENTRY000 you just described insurance, which also isn't free
spiderwebb33 1 year ago
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Thuggishsplicer1 1 year ago
@SENTRY000 If health care is a right (rather than a privilege), then such a right necessarily infringes the individual rights of other people.
In order to obtain health care services, those services must be rendered by the a separate individual; using their time, energy, knowledge, and labor.
Why should man be obligated to serve others?
The only possible answer is irrational faith and untenable claims.
Thuggishsplicer1 1 year ago
The source of man’s rights is not divine law or congressional law, but the law of identity. A is A—and Man is Man. Rights are conditions of existence required by man’s nature for his proper survival. If man is to live on earth, it is right for him to use his mind, it is right to act on his own free judgment, it is right to work for his values and to keep the product of his work. If life on earth is his purpose, he has a right to live as a rational being: nature forbids him the irrational.
Thuggishsplicer1 1 year ago
-Over 2000 health insurance companies in the US.
-Government regulation allows some states to have fewer than 5 insurance companies.
-Why does the government want to get in the health care business?
samhouston76 2 years ago
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DogsAreCoolRight 2 years ago
I don't even understand why the Federal government has to get involved at all. Isn't this a state issue? If the people in your state want more government health care can't you just do it at the state level? Putting this back to the states would pretty much kills all the controversy.
GrowingUpSlow 2 years ago 2
I am Canadian and health care is free in my country. Our system is not perfect, mainly because of the waiting list although emergencies have no wait time. For the worker earning around 50K, the tax rate is at least 40% if not more. There are pros and cons in each system, so the question is "in what kind of society do you to live in"
piermony 2 years ago 2
We're not rich like you are in Canada; we can't afford your health care system.
The USA appears to be a wealthy nation because it has been able to leverage the USD due to it being the world's defacto global reserve currency to bring artificial and unsustainable capital flows into the USA. We have a combined debt of 57 Trillion, more than 350% of GDP.
You and the rest of the world are about to see the the American Emperor has no clothes.
bobjman 2 years ago
I want to live in a society dominated by so much FREEDOM that I am constantly looking out for my safety! I am not joking, looking for one's self is the best way to develop independent thinking skills and the best way to protect one's self from propaganda! All while still been respectful and compassionate to my fellow men.
Quiksilver209 2 years ago
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notareaver 2 years ago
"Free healthcare".......that is what most people envision....how is this going to be paid for?
pretorious700 2 years ago
how everything else is paid for... by putting people out of work. the money is being taken away from being able to pay for salaries and being put into the coffers of Washington.
mashed107 2 years ago
This is a REPUBLIC, NOT a Democracy! You'd think Dean might understand that by now! It is "illegal under the Constitution" !
PTTHOR 2 years ago
americans do not deserve healthcare and they obviously do not want it...
FreeHeathen 2 years ago
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Ron Paul is an extremist. His heart is in the right place, but he takes everything to the nth degree. He believes the government should stay out of most things and not have regulation. Look at what no regulation did to the financial markets? Look at what it's doing to healthcare. Companies will exploit holes in the system regardless who gets hurt, unless someone plugs the holes. That's where regulation makes sense. That's the reason why the banking industry didn't collapse in Canada.
rpaulpen 2 years ago
Oh please. You have no idea what an extremist is. If you think there's been no regulation in any aspect of the USA and world markets, you are a fool. Show me where there's been no regulation according to your words.
WendeShift 2 years ago
Don't get me wrong. I like Ron Paul. He just seems so black and white about issues and scares people off.
Clinton substantially deregulated the US financial markets as one of his last tasks as President. Bush left it alone. It has been discussed by many economists that this deregulation caused a free for all that caused the recent collapse.
rpaulpen 2 years ago
At least the man speaks truth.
drewd1987 2 years ago
"black and white" as in "right and wrong"....that is sad.......Howard Dean's justification for this terrible idea is that other countries have it.....he's a fucking idiot
pretorious700 2 years ago 3
What economists have discussed it? Do research. Then come back.
Ron Paul is a straight shooter. He is not black and white on anything. He is against big government payouts and an addiction to the welfare state. That's not black and white.
Bulldogstall 2 years ago 9
"Companies will exploit holes in the system"
Do you have any idea what your talking about????
Companies cannot "exploit the system" if the government would just remove all the regulations that indirectly subsidize them. If an industry collapses after it has been deregulated it just means that it is incompetent and dependent on support from the government. Bankruptcy is the markets way of clearing the system of its waste.
truevoice08 2 years ago 2
Regulation is not there to protect the businesses against themselves, but to protect the victims. If they go bankrupt, so be it and good riddance. It's not the point of regulation. Regulation prevents, for example, over leveraging...ie sub prime mortgages that have no purpose but to cheat the consumer. Another example is to discourage over leveraging by setting reasonable standards.
In healthcare, ensure pre-existing conditions are not denied. Perfect example of exploiting system.
rpaulpen 2 years ago
Your right. Regulations aren't there to protect businesses. I'm just saying that some regulations cause unintended consequences and end up subsidizing the corporation. Its what the lobbyists for the corporate interests try to do.
truevoice08 2 years ago
No, he believes in the Constitution! He's as extreme as our Forefathers were!! He knows that getting back to the Constitution is the only way to fix the problems we face,
PTTHOR 2 years ago
Sigh again at people that don't understand Ron Paul. Look he hates socialized medicine, BUT he also hates corporate medicine. What he wants and believes in is an industry that is just as competitive as all the others. Aka meaning that Insurance companies have greater competition between each other, BUT can not deny life of a patient (like they are doing now). It's complex standing he's taking on it. i don't agree with it 100%, but i understand it. I say let everyone have it, but tax us.
anonymousbecause 2 years ago
if you close the dept of education then I would be fine with a healthcare reform because then it would have the money. But then again we could use that money for something like increasing congress pay.
That's a toughie.
whitehawktek 2 years ago
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Ron Paul is a liar.
PersianPaladin 2 years ago
How is Ron Paul a liar???? Proof plz
Akillesblood 2 years ago
I'll give you a proof. On CNN he sad Canadian health care system is less free than the US health care system (if you consider US health care a system at all).
This comes from a guy who has never used Canadian health care system. You know what I have used it.
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