Patrese certainly was a team player. I think he could have run closer to Mansell in several races, but was "asked" to help slow Senna a bit and keep a large gap to Nigel. Just my opinion of course, as I wasn't in the team meetings. That truly was the golden age of F1.
I dont understand why the FIA wont create rules that mimic this era. Keep the safety, but bring back the manual H gate shifter, no carbon breaks, and let the drivers do the work.
@TheUsmc1488 Totally agree. Lower aerodynamics, but increase the mechanical grip, doing wider but shorter cars, like in the 80's and none electronic aids, just a steering wheel without buttons and manual gear shift. With the turbo engine back, this combination would save the F1 and the sport as a all, adding value to the driver's abilities and human talent, not to the machine. That is all that really matters, the pilot's talent. Today's cars overshadow the work of the pilot.
This is the best Senna's onboard video, in my opinion. Fantastic sound and driving on the limit, trying to catch FW14, something simply impossible, even for Senna.
@NationOfMasturbation 5 times world champion, just like Fangio. And he would be totally adapted to the Williams car in 1994 season, and this situation would have probably avoided his fatal accident in Imola.
The driver ahead seems to take a crappy racing line. Yet he's faster. Goes to show how the car makes a difference. I don't even think you can argue that racing line. Going inside early on a turn? Not using the road like Senna
He's defending against Senna, that's why he blocks the obvious pass for Senna on the inside. And his teammate Mansell can run away while Patrese plays games for Senna.
Don't question Patrese. He wouldn't have driven 256 GP's without a reason - a record only recently broken by Rubens Barrichello
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it does look like Senna is entering and exiting corners faster than the car infront of him. Just that the car infront seems to have better grip.
@lolzforthewinzor It does in fact look like that, but the impression is misleading. background: distance is not being measured correctly in distance, but in time. When two cars are going through a hairpin at 40 miles per hour, half a second means that you are ten yards behind. Going flat out at 200 miles per hour, the same gap means the other car is fifty yards ahead of you. If you check the gap between Patrese and Senna on your stopwatch, you'll find the gap basically remains the same.
In 1992 Williams had the superior car as their suspension was computer controlled. The CPU adjusted the suspension for every inch of the track. For slow corners it chose a softer setting, at highspeed (+ downforce!) the suspension was made stiffer.
IIRC, Williams was the only team with that system which was introduced by Lotus in 1987. Williams was the only team using the active suspension in 1992 with their FW14B iirc. It was banned from F1 for 1993
Active suspension had a revival in the German Touringcar Championship in 1996. Opel not only had active suspension, but also managed to let the car know on what part of the cirucit it is. So the car automatically closed the cooling ducts on long straights to minimize drag and achieve faster topspeeds.
Opel spend more money in 1996 for Reuter's ITC championship than Williams did for Hill's title.
@AyrtonSennaFan97 True. The one in this video is from 1992 (the MP4/7A). The MP4/4 is indeed from '88. One other thing that is true is the fact that you don't need to curse. I made a mistake, you deliberately made yourself a fool.
@deggis4 tank you for the explication, there is just a new chicane that did't change the principal characteristic, total acceleration in more than 80% of the circuit, that's why the oldies take advantage even without KERS, DRS....because of the brutal engines
Dont fight kids, nowdays cars are faster in corners but to get 10 seconds diference on lap time, they would have to run in the speed of sound. The oldies v12 and v10 cars are faster in straight lines, and fasters tracks like in spa. Sebastian Bieber made pole 1,48,3 (2011)
"Its nothing like the car i drive nowadays. To know the commitment and to get used to driving this car on the limit, i just couldnt imagine it." -Lewis Hamilton
@Ch79ess actually... he was saying that about the turbocharged cars of the 80s ;) not about the V12 car. the naturally aspirated engines delivered their power much smoother than the turbo-engines, which hat more BHP and less than half the capacity.
@Ch79ess Jackie Stewart said Lewis his the only person in the world who has Senna's thinking mentality, commitment and driving ability and if Senna was alive Lewis would give him a hard time in a similar car. Senna crashed more times than Hamilton in 1 season in 85 and he has done more stupid overtaking moves than Lewis Hamilton. The only reason why people hate Lewis is because he is embarrassing all the white people in their on sport. And when you see him making a mistakes it brings u joy.
The old days were far better, but I was there. Myself and three others built that car. i was at Mclaren from 1996-2005 and on the race team from 1988-2000. Happy but hard working days. Cars these days are faster, but much easier to drive.Have to agree with boss350a.
@thehitchrules . Of course mate. I was his gearbox mechanic on his race car from 1988 -1993.He was one hell of a driver.He was so focussed at the circuit that you could only talk with him about the car and nothing else. Bit like Schumacher and Hakkinnen. I have his last race winning gloves from Adelaide 93 in a glass case on my hallway wall and I still have his christmas cards to me somewhere up in my loft. I went to pay my respects at his grave in Sao Paulo in 94. Very sad, but thats racing.
@diamondgeezerfly OMG, that is so cool ! There are so many things I'd love to ask you about Senna. Got any good stories. ? Would he lose his rag if things weren't going right ? !! Exactly how much technical knowledge did he really have as we are told his attention to detail and knowledge about the car was second to none ! -more than Prost's ? What was the atmosphere like in the garage with both him and Prost in it ? The 88 season must have been incredible. Do tell !!
@thehitchrules Many stories. I have forgotten more than I can remember. He was reasonably mechanically minded. Whilst at the circuit he was only interested in the car. We would chat about work I had done on his gearbox etc. for half an hour, but try to talk about anything else like holidays,cars women- forget it.He was very focussed and forthright. None of this pit wall engineer to car radio waffle like some current drivers. he would either tell you to shut the f*ck up or turn off the radio.
@diamondgeezerfly You got work with Ayrton Senna?! I would give up everything to meet him. Im interested in working in F1 but I dont know what sort of jobes there are. Is being a gearbox mechanic a good job?
@AyrtonSennaFan97 Hi there. Yes I worked for Mclaren from 1986-2005 as a Gearbox Mechanic and Race Team Mechanic. I was on the race team from 1988-2000, and I participated in over 180 Grand Prix. I spent six seasons on Senna's Race Car and spent the rest on Hakkinens race car. It is a great life, with much varied travel,but you spend most of your time working at the factory or away at races.The hours are long,often 100+ hours a week. Not many vacancies at present as most teams are downsizing.
@diamondgeezerfly Im 14 and would love to work in F1 as its too late to be a driver. Sorry for being so intrusive but how much is the salary and why did you leave? Its seems like a really tough life, they interviewed the Marussia Virgin Racing team boss and he said he thought he had worked hard all his life until he got into F1 'I realized I hadn't even stressed a circuit until I got here'.
@diamondgeezerfly What qualifications would I need to have a chance of being in F1? I messaged a guy who was a Cosworth engine builder from 1988-1996, however he said a good engine designer could earn £50,000-£100,000 a year. He said I would need to get a 1st class degree in engineering, also study maths and physics at school which I'm doing. Do you think it would be very hard to get into F1?
i dont know why people are trashing nowadays pilots,i mean,todays f1 cars are much faster than these ones,they go from 0 to 300km in only 9 (!!!) seconds,you have to be pretty brave to drive that kind of car.i bet that vettel,alonso,hamilton or any other driver could easy drive this cars,they would just need a few laps to get used to
@zorkytotal dude i said in my comment that todays f1 cars are faster than 90's,read my comment again
i also think that alonso is the best driver in the grid,vettel and hamilton are the two out of this world drivers in the grid.we trash nowadays f1 drivers by saying that they couldnt do a complete race with old cars,but have you had already think that old drivers couldnt probably do a complete race in todays cars?its all just a matter of practice for all the drivers
@boss350a you ll never understand my child, nowdays anyone that bring sponsors for the team can be the race driver, drive a F1 its more easy then ever, Kers, Drs, Paddles, eletronics....in the past there was big cars, brutal engines, high spedd no safety....that era make modern F1 look sterile
@zorkytotal no way!driving with kers,drs is easy?because of all eletronics,you have to bee smart to drive the car and to use them during races.in my opinion,the only thing that is usefull know is the paddle-shift,but even the worst f1 driver of nowadays could drive a car with manual gearbox.about the sponsors,that situation already happened in the '90s,prost didnt want to have senna has his team mate,and senna refused other team mates as well,and both had lots of sponsors
@boss350a I think todays cars are faster in the corners due to better brakes and aero dynamics but not as fast as these old cars down the straights. Alain Prost at Hockenheim in 1993 nearly clocked 235mph! These older cars had more torque thus harder to keep those back wheels from sliding. I heard that Nigel Mansell once got wheelspin while change up gears at 150mph in the rain with one of his turbo Williams cars.
@boss350a they have now a very helpfull downforce in those days the only downforce was the size of their ball thas the only thing that kept then in the floor
Yes nowadays f1 cars are much faster than 92 cars. I even dare to say that GP2 cars are also faster. But i also believe that in 92, driving with gearshift and clutch was the real deal. I dont doubt that Alonso or Hamilton could get used to it, but i give credit to pilot skills. And having twice downforce and grip, just having to accelarate, brake and semi-automatic shifting... well in 92 if you mis-downshifted, that could blown your engine, for instance. Its not a matter of bravery
@BallisticEVA01 i know,but people here are saying that todays pilots are pussies compared with the big balls drivers of the 80s and 90s.i think that both cars from both eras have their particularities,none is easier to drive than the other
True, i agree with you in that matter. Although i believe a 1992 car was more difficult to drive physically, nowadays f1 cars generate far more downforce (so more G´s) and there is also the complexity of driving nowadays f1 cars with a steering wheel that looks more like a space shuttle launch sequence than anything.
I agree also that these cars are not even comparable.
People calling today´s F1 drivers pussies clearly dont know nothing what they are talking about.
@BallisticEVA01 yes of curse,i agree with every word you said.yeah old cars were physically hard to drive,they didnt had the stability of todays cars,but like you said,today they generate more downforce and G force,and they have to deal with eletronic stuff like KERS and DRS while they are focused in the race
Yeah, driving full throtle, listening to what the engineer is saying and having to change settings in the steering wheel like fuel mix, brake balance, Kers, DRS and so on isnt definitely not easy! :)
Comparing different F1 cars from different eras to compare driving skills is always difficult.
By the way, did you knew Ayrton´s pole lap at Spa was FASTER than Vettel´s 2011 pole???
I know the circuit changed a bit at the end, but... pretty amazing! Only found out yesterday...
@BallisticEVA01 really,he was faster?wow,i didnt know that,i remember watching a video of his pole in spa but i didnt know it was faster,amazing!and did you know that in the italian gp in monza in 1967 the pole and fastest lap were only 3 seconds slower than 2011 pole?i know they made chicanes in monza and changed a few turns,but still is amazing!
No way!! Yes, its nice to know that, particulary having in mind the brutal difference between technologies! Its like a WW2 airplane almost matching the speed of a Saturn V rocket! LOL
Yeah, from 1967 to 2011 were introduced three chicanes, but neverthenless its a funny thing to think about! :)
@BallisticEVA01 Are they faster? I'd like to see a comparison. F1 cars could exceed 200mph especially in the turbo era. Has there been a direct comparison? I'd love to see a video. Also some of the 80s turbo cars had over 1000bhp.
Today F1 cars corner, brake and accelarate way better than in 92.
For instance Monaco fastest race lap: 2011 F1 Red Bull of Mark Webber was FIVE seconds faster than the Williams FW14B of Nigel Mansell. If u see the GP2 Qualifying times, you will see that the fastest lap in the race is about 1.5 second slower than the best F1 of 1992, wich is amazing considering its a lower category. A 2011 GP2 would be competitive against a 92 F1 car.
@BallisticEVA01 Are the circuits exactly the same though? Circuits change all the time due to safety regulations etc. I'm not disputing what you say, I'm just intrigued. I'd love to see a 90s F1 car race a current F1 car. Power does come into it you know. You can make up a lot of time on a long straight. That's why a lot of the turbo cars won. They made themselves very 'wide' on the bendy stuff and then floored it on the straight. No one could get past.
Dont forget that 90´s tyres are a joke compared to nowadays. So are brakes and suspensions.
I know circuits change, but Monaco has not change much. Only the pool area is slightly different. Look at Interlagos then (track is exactly the same). The 2010 F1 car did the fastest lap 5.639 s faster than Nigel Mansell in 92, wich is a brutality!!!
Vettel would lap Mansell in Interlagos in about 14 laps, like if it were an HRT.
Also, dont forget you are talking about turbos and they were banned at the end of 1988. The fastest lap at Monaco in 1988 was 1'26.321 and in 1992 was 1'21.598.
In 4 years F1 cars evolve like hell, so imagine to nowadays...
Also, even if an old F1 turbo car could be faster in a straight than the 2011 car, the nowadys car would destroy the turbo car in braking zones and cornering. It would get past even in the outside like if it was standing still.
@boss350a That's not what Hamilton says . He took the MP4/4 out for a few laps and afterwards he said he just couldn't imagine racing that car on the limit and that's why he and others have so much respect for the drivers who did it back then.
@boss350a so you're saying modern F1 car is faster than let's say turbocharged cars from 1985 or 1988? Uh huh. And you're saying the modern F1 is as dangerous as the one back in let's say 1955 or 1994 (so to speak)? I see... And you're saying that modern F1 drivers are as brave as those in 80s? Because of what? Of very good acceleration? Wow. I'm lucky I don't have to deal with such a dudes in the real F1 life. You're just a youtube know-it-all-wannabe. Later, Vetter fanboy? :)
@thylegion of curse they are faster,are you kidding with me?they have more acceleration,top speed and are faster in turns!thats why lap times these days are like 10 seconds faster,or more.me,a youtube wanna be?not really,but if you say that in the old days cars were faster,you clearly dont understand anything about this sport,or you're drunk!and yes,why would old pilots be more brave?i bet to you that any driver nowadays could drive those cars,and if you say otherwise its because your a fanatic!
@boss350a Are you fucking joking me? When Lewis Hamilton got to drive Ayrton Senna's McLaren MP4/4 he couldn't believe how hard it would be to drove it on the limit, watch the part in the TopGear Senna tribute where he drives it and says how hard it was. The older drivers were far more brave because they had to drive a car with 1200hp in qualifying with tyres that only last 1 lap, no fancy electronics like DRS or KERS, only a manual gearbox and a clutch peddle where it should be.
@AyrtonSennaFan97 man i am fucking tired of this discussion.i know cars from 80,90 were hard to drive,and pilots were very brave,i'm only saying that today cars are also hard to drive and drivers are also brave!check the video in ich hammond from top gear drives a '05 renault.this is the man that broke a speed record and he was literally screaming with the power of the car.and what did you expect hamilton to say?"well,i dont understand why people made noise for senna,this is very easy"?
@boss350a Fucking idiot look on page 4 at diamondgeezerfly's comment, he fucking worked for McLaren between 1988-1993 for Senna as his gearbox mechanic, even he says the old cars were harder to drove than the new ones. cunt wipe.
@AyrtonSennaFan97 fuck you man,i never said old cars were easier to drive,i said that today cars are also hard,a different type of hard,but not easier or harder.if you dont know how to read its your problem.but hey,since nowadays cars are so easy,i would like to see you drive one of those,you big fucking asshole!you probably couldnt harm up just a little bit of the engine!
@boss350a I never said it was easy to drive any F1 car fucking fool, I have watched the video of Martin Brundle driving the Williams he explained how hard it was physically and mental. Stupid cunt I can read better than you will ever be able to, I can also write a proper paragraph you dumbfuck. I'm 14 what the fuck do expect? I can barely drive a normal car so I would never be able to drive an F1 car. Use your fucking brain before you post your ignorant trash.
@AyrtonSennaFan97 well,you are british i'm not,i would be very surprised if i could wrote in english better than you.14?get the fuck our of here kid,go do your homework you little fuck!
@boss350a Fucking idiot look on page 4 at diamondgeezerfly's comment, he fucking worked for McLaren between 1988-1993 for Senna as his gearbox mechanic, even he says the old cars were harder to drove than the new ones. Cunt wipe.
@boss350a I think it's more than that. The cars of old weren't all that safe. Lewis Hamilton described this when he drove the McLaren MP4/4. He commented how the side of the cockpit was so thin
@boss350a Perhaps you're too young and that's why you can't relate to that era. Cars like the one Senna drove had 1200 hp, manual gear box and no tech aids. Unlike the cars today. On those days, F1 was more about the driver's skill rather than the car. And, of course, more dangerous. It's not that the pilots nowadays are crap, it's just F1 cars 20 years ago were much more difficult to handle. Hamilton drove Senna's 1993 car and said "you had to be crazy to be a F1 driver back than..."
@deggis4 Do some some research and you will find that there is no such car as a McLaren MP4/6B, however there was a McLaren MP4/5B used in 1990. Senna used the McLaren MP4/6 in 1991 and at the start of 1992 as McLaren didn't have the new car ready yet, later on the season he drove the McLaren MP4/7.
@AyrtonSennaFan97 6B aka "Spec B". I'm afraid you need to more research to prove it doesn't exist. F1stats and F1-facts both refer to it: gourl(dot)gr(slash)lkc + gourl(dot)gr(flash)lkb
@AyrtonSennaFan97 That's funny, because Wikipedia knows about it too, so the question is really what the fuck are YOU talking about. Check the mini-URLs I gave in my previous comment, they redirect to F1 Stats and F1-Facts sites.
@zorkytotal The Eau Rouge was diffrent and more steep than that of today. It was longer for about 200 meters I think also the entire second section was somewhat differnet than that of today
That is true, but dont forget the track changed. I know its a small one (in 2011 the lap at Spa is about 44 meters longer than in 1991), but to see the full picture, the fastest lap in the race of 1991 was 5.278 s slower than in 2011.
In Brazil 1991, Ayrton made 1:16.392 against 2010 pole Hulkenberg´s 1:14.470. Its almost 2 full seconds.
Not to mention fastest race laps: 1991 - 1'20.436s/ 2010 - 1:13.851(!!!)s
Still, i agree with you. Its quite remarkable! Mp4/6 was a great car!
Forget confidence, you'd HAVE to be slightly crazy to be able to drive these monsters. Thats what seperated Formula One drivers from any other kind of athletes back then... but now... power steering, v8 engines (fair enough for the environment, but please) almost half the horsepower. Where did all the fun go?
@AceKarterReloaded Evolution evolves. If you start banning powersteerings, paddle shiftings etc. then it is kind of illogical to want more technical freedom at the same time.
ps. "almost half the horsepower", no longer turbos in 1992 and there was a big difference between qualifying and race engines.
@deggis4 I agree with what you said on evolution, I myself am studying engineering. Its fascinating seeing technology progress! But youve got to admit there is something awe inspiring about a man who not only has to beat hit opponents and beat the circuit, but also has to wrestle with his wild beast of a car to do so! Thats why Senna and Walter Rohrl are better than Schumi or Loeb in my opinion!! Bull fighters more than swordsmen! (Not that the heroes of today aren't epic in themselves!!)
@AceKarterReloaded The fun gone, because of fuckin Ecclestone and Schumacher. Thats it. But they both got regret. Tried to change but nothing. Nowdays drivers play PS3 24h, and come to F1 if they got money or sponsors. Wtf ?
@AceKarterReloaded a modern day F1 car would be completely undriveable without power steering. With the g-forces and downforce generated you just wouldnt be able to turn the wheel. The physical effort of driving an F1 still requires enormous levels of fitness.
@deggis4 Its not a jump start, its to make sure first gear engaged correctly. If Senna would of rolled faster/further he would of being penalised for a jump start, meaning jump start was not allowed back then. You dont see this today because if the driver engaged first the onboard computers would make sure the gear is engaged.
@deggis4 thats not correct, jump start was not allowed even in the early 90s. however it was not punished when you did slightly roll on like in this video. clear jump starts like that from Gerhard Berger in Canada 1990 were punished with a minute added to the race time.
In 1992, the Honda V12 engine, was still the most powerful F1 engine, while the Renault V10 had the best balance for horsepower & torque. Ford V8 had the fattest torque though..
Looking at the way the Williams Renault pulling away pretty quickly doesn't surprised me. Williams had a very trick active suspension back in those days, which was an unfair advantage to say the least, as the car can take much higher corner speed..
Ferrari was the first with paddles for gearchanging 1989. Chefdesigner was at this time by Ferrari the english star John Barnard. I believe too that Renault -Williams had this since 1991 (?)
@deggis4 Hmmm, I know that Williams has the paddles-behind-steering wheel shifter since the beginning of 1991; Ferrari had it ever earlier, since 1989? if I'd remember correctly? For Benetton, they had manual gearbox for the entire 1992 season.
I wish I could have lived at the time when the Formula 1 had Ayrton Senna. I'm 14 years old, and I admire Ayrton. Who should not? A great driver and a great man. This is Ayrton Senna.
@sjonhigh There were some great things about F1 in that era, but the grids weren't close like they are now. Williams were sometimes 2 SECONDS faster than everyone else!
Patrese certainly was a team player. I think he could have run closer to Mansell in several races, but was "asked" to help slow Senna a bit and keep a large gap to Nigel. Just my opinion of course, as I wasn't in the team meetings. That truly was the golden age of F1.
tyco411 16 hours ago
damn there is alot of skill involved in driving these cars.
RANDOMGAME100 18 hours ago
Yes, Ayrton Senna certainly did jumpstart. Look at it carefully.
lapyramideparis0210 1 day ago
@lapyramideparis0210 Ayrton Senna wasn't so good in starts. He was an anxious and agressive racer, so it wasn't so easy to control his own impulse.
DonCorsa 1 day ago
The Williams car just had great acceleration
MegaDaveXD1 2 days ago
I dont understand why the FIA wont create rules that mimic this era. Keep the safety, but bring back the manual H gate shifter, no carbon breaks, and let the drivers do the work.
TheUsmc1488 3 days ago
@TheUsmc1488 Totally agree. Lower aerodynamics, but increase the mechanical grip, doing wider but shorter cars, like in the 80's and none electronic aids, just a steering wheel without buttons and manual gear shift. With the turbo engine back, this combination would save the F1 and the sport as a all, adding value to the driver's abilities and human talent, not to the machine. That is all that really matters, the pilot's talent. Today's cars overshadow the work of the pilot.
DonCorsa 2 days ago
@DonCorsa Well spoken.
AintLifeGarand 2 days ago
More, more, more!
rhysthebeastdavies 4 days ago
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a99999999999a 4 days ago
Looks a little bit like a jumped start, doesn´t it ?
SennaRossiFan46 4 days ago
@SennaRossiFan46 No, back then rules allowed the cars to roll the wheels until the green, but this does not necessary meant to be a jump start.
reading70 3 days ago
the sound of that thing, man, sounded louder and like a beast
Crisgo3d 5 days ago
My gosh... the only downforce are his balls. Jus' saying.
aaronbassist146 5 days ago
bad year to be in Mclaren. Williams had that hydraulic suspension sistem that made them almost invincible
inigarcia 6 days ago
@DonCorsa I reckon 8 times World Champion. He would've won 93-97 in the Williams, no sweat.
Elfwald 6 days ago
@Elfwald should be 9 if you counted 1989 :P
MrTrophyNuts 6 days ago
00:24 active suspension. He didn't have a chance with a car that drove like it had no weight around corners.
spookz01 1 week ago
I miss the sparks coming out!!!
MrPEDROJOS 1 week ago
awesome, it's just simply awesome the v12 sound engine. what a beast hahaah!
3dsc4d 1 week ago
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This is the best Senna's onboard video, in my opinion. Fantastic sound and driving on the limit, trying to catch FW14, something simply impossible, even for Senna.
DonCorsa 1 week ago
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DonCorsa 1 week ago
What would happen if Senna drove for Williams that year and onwards throughout 1993?
NationOfMasturbation 1 week ago
@NationOfMasturbation 5 times world champion, just like Fangio. And he would be totally adapted to the Williams car in 1994 season, and this situation would have probably avoided his fatal accident in Imola.
DonCorsa 1 week ago
@DonCorsa I wish that would be the case, 'cause he deserves it.
NationOfMasturbation 1 week ago
@NationOfMasturbation I agree with you.
DonCorsa 1 week ago
that v12 sounds good
speeddomon407kmh 2 weeks ago
The driver ahead seems to take a crappy racing line. Yet he's faster. Goes to show how the car makes a difference. I don't even think you can argue that racing line. Going inside early on a turn? Not using the road like Senna
Sibelius19 3 weeks ago
@Sibelius19
He's defending against Senna, that's why he blocks the obvious pass for Senna on the inside. And his teammate Mansell can run away while Patrese plays games for Senna.
Don't question Patrese. He wouldn't have driven 256 GP's without a reason - a record only recently broken by Rubens Barrichello
tommy9927 2 weeks ago
Patrese is cleary trying to hold Senna for Mansell to get away :s
Caca990SSR 1 month ago
Because this was when Williams had the electronically advanced car
RawrShotz 1 month ago
I dont get it...why isn't he in first place.
auomauom 1 month ago
Making music with the V-12.
ACAW1968 1 month ago
While Patrese can barely keep Senna behind him, Mansell quickly disappears from sight.
No surprise Mansell managed to score on this season only, more than Patrese did on his entire career.
bizarroeddie1 1 month ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it does look like Senna is entering and exiting corners faster than the car infront of him. Just that the car infront seems to have better grip.
lolzforthewinzor 1 month ago
@lolzforthewinzor It does in fact look like that, but the impression is misleading. background: distance is not being measured correctly in distance, but in time. When two cars are going through a hairpin at 40 miles per hour, half a second means that you are ten yards behind. Going flat out at 200 miles per hour, the same gap means the other car is fifty yards ahead of you. If you check the gap between Patrese and Senna on your stopwatch, you'll find the gap basically remains the same.
TheColinChapman 1 month ago
@TheColinChapman Ah. Thanks for the explanation.
lolzforthewinzor 1 month ago
@lolzforthewinzor
In 1992 Williams had the superior car as their suspension was computer controlled. The CPU adjusted the suspension for every inch of the track. For slow corners it chose a softer setting, at highspeed (+ downforce!) the suspension was made stiffer.
IIRC, Williams was the only team with that system which was introduced by Lotus in 1987. Williams was the only team using the active suspension in 1992 with their FW14B iirc. It was banned from F1 for 1993
tommy9927 2 weeks ago
Active suspension had a revival in the German Touringcar Championship in 1996. Opel not only had active suspension, but also managed to let the car know on what part of the cirucit it is. So the car automatically closed the cooling ducts on long straights to minimize drag and achieve faster topspeeds.
Opel spend more money in 1996 for Reuter's ITC championship than Williams did for Hill's title.
tommy9927 2 weeks ago
this sir is a MAN drivin this car!
Jexcee 1 month ago
Comparing different era's is difficult,but we should all agree that racing in any era beats watching a ball being kicked around anyday!!
diamondgeezerfly 2 months ago
@deggis4 Yeah you're right. Spa from early 90's was like 200m longer (Bus stop chicane).
ZinhoLabs 2 months ago
I just traveled through time for 2 mins here. Thanks deggis4.
PS: cars from then, drivers from now? Watch Hamilton drive Senna's 1992 MP4/4 at watch?v=WmBl_XT0BpU
leandrolefa 2 months ago
@leandrolefa fucking hell the MP4/4 was from 1988 ya fool!
AyrtonSennaFan97 2 months ago
@AyrtonSennaFan97 True. The one in this video is from 1992 (the MP4/7A). The MP4/4 is indeed from '88. One other thing that is true is the fact that you don't need to curse. I made a mistake, you deliberately made yourself a fool.
leandrolefa 2 months ago
@AyrtonSennaFan97 PS: I watched all those races live on TV. Where were you?
leandrolefa 2 months ago
Fangio was better than all of them so please shut up everyone.
medular 2 months ago
He had CONFIDENCE in the machine, from Japan
malaka1212 2 months ago
@deggis4 tank you for the explication, there is just a new chicane that did't change the principal characteristic, total acceleration in more than 80% of the circuit, that's why the oldies take advantage even without KERS, DRS....because of the brutal engines
krayziegus 2 months ago 9
by far the best sounding F1 motor...
danthemanpatrick 2 months ago
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Bjamin221 2 months ago
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@danthemanpatrick nope!
/watch?v
=M1InrgZiv30
Bjamin221 2 months ago
Dont fight kids, nowdays cars are faster in corners but to get 10 seconds diference on lap time, they would have to run in the speed of sound. The oldies v12 and v10 cars are faster in straight lines, and fasters tracks like in spa. Sebastian Bieber made pole 1,48,3 (2011)
Senna pole lap (1991) 1,47.8
/watch?v=uPR2U8yI0ek
krayziegus 2 months ago 6
"Its nothing like the car i drive nowadays. To know the commitment and to get used to driving this car on the limit, i just couldnt imagine it." -Lewis Hamilton
Ch79ess 3 months ago 31
@Ch79ess Top Gear ftw!
marimbaguy715 2 months ago
@Ch79ess actually... he was saying that about the turbocharged cars of the 80s ;) not about the V12 car. the naturally aspirated engines delivered their power much smoother than the turbo-engines, which hat more BHP and less than half the capacity.
stotheimon1 2 weeks ago
@Ch79ess Jackie Stewart said Lewis his the only person in the world who has Senna's thinking mentality, commitment and driving ability and if Senna was alive Lewis would give him a hard time in a similar car. Senna crashed more times than Hamilton in 1 season in 85 and he has done more stupid overtaking moves than Lewis Hamilton. The only reason why people hate Lewis is because he is embarrassing all the white people in their on sport. And when you see him making a mistakes it brings u joy.
slmazadza 1 day ago
The sound of that cars make actual cars sound like gay cars.
BTW, was Senna penaltied for that, wasn't he?
Marilomadredetodos 3 months ago
wow cant beleve hes using a floor shift dam good but thoghts willys where fast then not easy job to catch them :)
uhfnutbar1 3 months ago
Duds!! This car had 1200 pk!! Strongest sportscar ever build!! Senna was the best!! Much better than Vettel!
senegal20111 3 months ago 2
The old days were far better, but I was there. Myself and three others built that car. i was at Mclaren from 1996-2005 and on the race team from 1988-2000. Happy but hard working days. Cars these days are faster, but much easier to drive.Have to agree with boss350a.
diamondgeezerfly 3 months ago
@diamondgeezerfly Did you get to meet Senna ?
thehitchrules 3 months ago
@thehitchrules . Of course mate. I was his gearbox mechanic on his race car from 1988 -1993.He was one hell of a driver.He was so focussed at the circuit that you could only talk with him about the car and nothing else. Bit like Schumacher and Hakkinnen. I have his last race winning gloves from Adelaide 93 in a glass case on my hallway wall and I still have his christmas cards to me somewhere up in my loft. I went to pay my respects at his grave in Sao Paulo in 94. Very sad, but thats racing.
diamondgeezerfly 3 months ago
@diamondgeezerfly OMG, that is so cool ! There are so many things I'd love to ask you about Senna. Got any good stories. ? Would he lose his rag if things weren't going right ? !! Exactly how much technical knowledge did he really have as we are told his attention to detail and knowledge about the car was second to none ! -more than Prost's ? What was the atmosphere like in the garage with both him and Prost in it ? The 88 season must have been incredible. Do tell !!
thehitchrules 3 months ago
@thehitchrules Many stories. I have forgotten more than I can remember. He was reasonably mechanically minded. Whilst at the circuit he was only interested in the car. We would chat about work I had done on his gearbox etc. for half an hour, but try to talk about anything else like holidays,cars women- forget it.He was very focussed and forthright. None of this pit wall engineer to car radio waffle like some current drivers. he would either tell you to shut the f*ck up or turn off the radio.
diamondgeezerfly 3 months ago
@diamondgeezerfly You got work with Ayrton Senna?! I would give up everything to meet him. Im interested in working in F1 but I dont know what sort of jobes there are. Is being a gearbox mechanic a good job?
AyrtonSennaFan97 2 months ago
@AyrtonSennaFan97 Hi there. Yes I worked for Mclaren from 1986-2005 as a Gearbox Mechanic and Race Team Mechanic. I was on the race team from 1988-2000, and I participated in over 180 Grand Prix. I spent six seasons on Senna's Race Car and spent the rest on Hakkinens race car. It is a great life, with much varied travel,but you spend most of your time working at the factory or away at races.The hours are long,often 100+ hours a week. Not many vacancies at present as most teams are downsizing.
diamondgeezerfly 2 months ago
@diamondgeezerfly Im 14 and would love to work in F1 as its too late to be a driver. Sorry for being so intrusive but how much is the salary and why did you leave? Its seems like a really tough life, they interviewed the Marussia Virgin Racing team boss and he said he thought he had worked hard all his life until he got into F1 'I realized I hadn't even stressed a circuit until I got here'.
AyrtonSennaFan97 1 month ago
@diamondgeezerfly What qualifications would I need to have a chance of being in F1? I messaged a guy who was a Cosworth engine builder from 1988-1996, however he said a good engine designer could earn £50,000-£100,000 a year. He said I would need to get a 1st class degree in engineering, also study maths and physics at school which I'm doing. Do you think it would be very hard to get into F1?
AyrtonSennaFan97 1 month ago
what kind of gear lever was used in that period? manual with 6 gears or semi automatic?
dkdadlh 3 months ago
@dkdadlh It was manual for every one except Williams that had the semi automatic with the sticks on the steering wheel along with Ferrari.
SkataKPonos 3 months ago
@SkataKPonos Thank you :)
dkdadlh 3 months ago
Nice scream baby, nice scream.
JamaicaSound79 3 months ago
i dont know why people are trashing nowadays pilots,i mean,todays f1 cars are much faster than these ones,they go from 0 to 300km in only 9 (!!!) seconds,you have to be pretty brave to drive that kind of car.i bet that vettel,alonso,hamilton or any other driver could easy drive this cars,they would just need a few laps to get used to
boss350a 3 months ago
@boss350a It's just nostalgy. I personally can't really relate to that need of nostalgy because in '92 I was only interested in Lego cars.
deggis4 3 months ago 10
@boss350a haha faster is your ass, 2004 season the car's were faster than 90's.....Hamilton drove a oldie car
/watch?v=WmBl_XT0BpU
you can see his little neck dancing i think he would brake his neck if accelerate faster
the only one that could drive this cars in high level is Alonso, he is the best nowdays
zorkytotal 3 months ago
@zorkytotal dude i said in my comment that todays f1 cars are faster than 90's,read my comment again
i also think that alonso is the best driver in the grid,vettel and hamilton are the two out of this world drivers in the grid.we trash nowadays f1 drivers by saying that they couldnt do a complete race with old cars,but have you had already think that old drivers couldnt probably do a complete race in todays cars?its all just a matter of practice for all the drivers
boss350a 3 months ago
@boss350a you ll never understand my child, nowdays anyone that bring sponsors for the team can be the race driver, drive a F1 its more easy then ever, Kers, Drs, Paddles, eletronics....in the past there was big cars, brutal engines, high spedd no safety....that era make modern F1 look sterile
zorkytotal 3 months ago
@zorkytotal no way!driving with kers,drs is easy?because of all eletronics,you have to bee smart to drive the car and to use them during races.in my opinion,the only thing that is usefull know is the paddle-shift,but even the worst f1 driver of nowadays could drive a car with manual gearbox.about the sponsors,that situation already happened in the '90s,prost didnt want to have senna has his team mate,and senna refused other team mates as well,and both had lots of sponsors
boss350a 3 months ago
@boss350a I think todays cars are faster in the corners due to better brakes and aero dynamics but not as fast as these old cars down the straights. Alain Prost at Hockenheim in 1993 nearly clocked 235mph! These older cars had more torque thus harder to keep those back wheels from sliding. I heard that Nigel Mansell once got wheelspin while change up gears at 150mph in the rain with one of his turbo Williams cars.
ssssroryssss 3 months ago
@boss350a they have now a very helpfull downforce in those days the only downforce was the size of their ball thas the only thing that kept then in the floor
xVicious22x 3 months ago
@boss350a
Yes nowadays f1 cars are much faster than 92 cars. I even dare to say that GP2 cars are also faster. But i also believe that in 92, driving with gearshift and clutch was the real deal. I dont doubt that Alonso or Hamilton could get used to it, but i give credit to pilot skills. And having twice downforce and grip, just having to accelarate, brake and semi-automatic shifting... well in 92 if you mis-downshifted, that could blown your engine, for instance. Its not a matter of bravery
BallisticEVA01 3 months ago
@BallisticEVA01 i know,but people here are saying that todays pilots are pussies compared with the big balls drivers of the 80s and 90s.i think that both cars from both eras have their particularities,none is easier to drive than the other
boss350a 3 months ago
@boss350a
True, i agree with you in that matter. Although i believe a 1992 car was more difficult to drive physically, nowadays f1 cars generate far more downforce (so more G´s) and there is also the complexity of driving nowadays f1 cars with a steering wheel that looks more like a space shuttle launch sequence than anything.
I agree also that these cars are not even comparable.
People calling today´s F1 drivers pussies clearly dont know nothing what they are talking about.
BallisticEVA01 3 months ago
@BallisticEVA01 yes of curse,i agree with every word you said.yeah old cars were physically hard to drive,they didnt had the stability of todays cars,but like you said,today they generate more downforce and G force,and they have to deal with eletronic stuff like KERS and DRS while they are focused in the race
boss350a 3 months ago
@boss350a
Lol
Yeah, driving full throtle, listening to what the engineer is saying and having to change settings in the steering wheel like fuel mix, brake balance, Kers, DRS and so on isnt definitely not easy! :)
Comparing different F1 cars from different eras to compare driving skills is always difficult.
By the way, did you knew Ayrton´s pole lap at Spa was FASTER than Vettel´s 2011 pole???
I know the circuit changed a bit at the end, but... pretty amazing! Only found out yesterday...
BallisticEVA01 3 months ago
@BallisticEVA01 really,he was faster?wow,i didnt know that,i remember watching a video of his pole in spa but i didnt know it was faster,amazing!and did you know that in the italian gp in monza in 1967 the pole and fastest lap were only 3 seconds slower than 2011 pole?i know they made chicanes in monza and changed a few turns,but still is amazing!
boss350a 3 months ago
@boss350a
!!!! Holy s*hit!!!
No way!! Yes, its nice to know that, particulary having in mind the brutal difference between technologies! Its like a WW2 airplane almost matching the speed of a Saturn V rocket! LOL
Yeah, from 1967 to 2011 were introduced three chicanes, but neverthenless its a funny thing to think about! :)
Cheers mate
BallisticEVA01 3 months ago
@BallisticEVA01 Are they faster? I'd like to see a comparison. F1 cars could exceed 200mph especially in the turbo era. Has there been a direct comparison? I'd love to see a video. Also some of the 80s turbo cars had over 1000bhp.
whitbyjet65 3 months ago
@whitbyjet65
Today F1 cars corner, brake and accelarate way better than in 92.
For instance Monaco fastest race lap: 2011 F1 Red Bull of Mark Webber was FIVE seconds faster than the Williams FW14B of Nigel Mansell. If u see the GP2 Qualifying times, you will see that the fastest lap in the race is about 1.5 second slower than the best F1 of 1992, wich is amazing considering its a lower category. A 2011 GP2 would be competitive against a 92 F1 car.
Not a matter of power, but mechanical grip.
BallisticEVA01 3 months ago
@BallisticEVA01 Are the circuits exactly the same though? Circuits change all the time due to safety regulations etc. I'm not disputing what you say, I'm just intrigued. I'd love to see a 90s F1 car race a current F1 car. Power does come into it you know. You can make up a lot of time on a long straight. That's why a lot of the turbo cars won. They made themselves very 'wide' on the bendy stuff and then floored it on the straight. No one could get past.
whitbyjet65 3 months ago
@whitbyjet65
I also would love to see a duel. :)
But its Physics, mate.
Dont forget that 90´s tyres are a joke compared to nowadays. So are brakes and suspensions.
I know circuits change, but Monaco has not change much. Only the pool area is slightly different. Look at Interlagos then (track is exactly the same). The 2010 F1 car did the fastest lap 5.639 s faster than Nigel Mansell in 92, wich is a brutality!!!
Vettel would lap Mansell in Interlagos in about 14 laps, like if it were an HRT.
BallisticEVA01 3 months ago
@whitbyjet65
Also, dont forget you are talking about turbos and they were banned at the end of 1988. The fastest lap at Monaco in 1988 was 1'26.321 and in 1992 was 1'21.598.
In 4 years F1 cars evolve like hell, so imagine to nowadays...
Also, even if an old F1 turbo car could be faster in a straight than the 2011 car, the nowadys car would destroy the turbo car in braking zones and cornering. It would get past even in the outside like if it was standing still.
BallisticEVA01 3 months ago
@boss350a That's not what Hamilton says . He took the MP4/4 out for a few laps and afterwards he said he just couldn't imagine racing that car on the limit and that's why he and others have so much respect for the drivers who did it back then.
thehitchrules 3 months ago
@boss350a so you're saying modern F1 car is faster than let's say turbocharged cars from 1985 or 1988? Uh huh. And you're saying the modern F1 is as dangerous as the one back in let's say 1955 or 1994 (so to speak)? I see... And you're saying that modern F1 drivers are as brave as those in 80s? Because of what? Of very good acceleration? Wow. I'm lucky I don't have to deal with such a dudes in the real F1 life. You're just a youtube know-it-all-wannabe. Later, Vetter fanboy? :)
thylegion 2 months ago 2
@thylegion of curse they are faster,are you kidding with me?they have more acceleration,top speed and are faster in turns!thats why lap times these days are like 10 seconds faster,or more.me,a youtube wanna be?not really,but if you say that in the old days cars were faster,you clearly dont understand anything about this sport,or you're drunk!and yes,why would old pilots be more brave?i bet to you that any driver nowadays could drive those cars,and if you say otherwise its because your a fanatic!
boss350a 2 months ago
@boss350a Are you fucking joking me? When Lewis Hamilton got to drive Ayrton Senna's McLaren MP4/4 he couldn't believe how hard it would be to drove it on the limit, watch the part in the TopGear Senna tribute where he drives it and says how hard it was. The older drivers were far more brave because they had to drive a car with 1200hp in qualifying with tyres that only last 1 lap, no fancy electronics like DRS or KERS, only a manual gearbox and a clutch peddle where it should be.
AyrtonSennaFan97 2 months ago
@AyrtonSennaFan97 man i am fucking tired of this discussion.i know cars from 80,90 were hard to drive,and pilots were very brave,i'm only saying that today cars are also hard to drive and drivers are also brave!check the video in ich hammond from top gear drives a '05 renault.this is the man that broke a speed record and he was literally screaming with the power of the car.and what did you expect hamilton to say?"well,i dont understand why people made noise for senna,this is very easy"?
boss350a 2 months ago
@boss350a Fucking idiot look on page 4 at diamondgeezerfly's comment, he fucking worked for McLaren between 1988-1993 for Senna as his gearbox mechanic, even he says the old cars were harder to drove than the new ones. cunt wipe.
AyrtonSennaFan97 2 months ago
@AyrtonSennaFan97 fuck you man,i never said old cars were easier to drive,i said that today cars are also hard,a different type of hard,but not easier or harder.if you dont know how to read its your problem.but hey,since nowadays cars are so easy,i would like to see you drive one of those,you big fucking asshole!you probably couldnt harm up just a little bit of the engine!
boss350a 2 months ago
@boss350a I never said it was easy to drive any F1 car fucking fool, I have watched the video of Martin Brundle driving the Williams he explained how hard it was physically and mental. Stupid cunt I can read better than you will ever be able to, I can also write a proper paragraph you dumbfuck. I'm 14 what the fuck do expect? I can barely drive a normal car so I would never be able to drive an F1 car. Use your fucking brain before you post your ignorant trash.
AyrtonSennaFan97 1 month ago
@AyrtonSennaFan97 well,you are british i'm not,i would be very surprised if i could wrote in english better than you.14?get the fuck our of here kid,go do your homework you little fuck!
boss350a 1 month ago
@boss350a Damn kids with internet access, right?
leandrolefa 1 month ago
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@boss350a Fucking idiot look on page 4 at diamondgeezerfly's comment, he fucking worked for McLaren between 1988-1993 for Senna as his gearbox mechanic, even he says the old cars were harder to drove than the new ones. Cunt wipe.
AyrtonSennaFan97 2 months ago
@boss350a I think it's more than that. The cars of old weren't all that safe. Lewis Hamilton described this when he drove the McLaren MP4/4. He commented how the side of the cockpit was so thin
DJprofessork72 2 months ago
@boss350a Todays cars are faster but the old cars were much harder to drive.
Lillie1986 2 months ago
@boss350a Perhaps you're too young and that's why you can't relate to that era. Cars like the one Senna drove had 1200 hp, manual gear box and no tech aids. Unlike the cars today. On those days, F1 was more about the driver's skill rather than the car. And, of course, more dangerous. It's not that the pilots nowadays are crap, it's just F1 cars 20 years ago were much more difficult to handle. Hamilton drove Senna's 1993 car and said "you had to be crazy to be a F1 driver back than..."
lmiguelmoura 2 months ago
@boss350a yeah they may do. but ya should note 20 years ago sienna and co didn't have aids :)
MRoesterreicher1 1 month ago
....Honda Power :-)
rc4sti 3 months ago
I thought this had paddle shifters?
ferrarifever7638 3 months ago
@ferrarifever7638 Only for Williams and Ferrari
SkataKPonos 3 months ago
@ferrarifever7638
This Mclaren Ayrton is running in the Kyalami race (start of the season) is the 1991 MP4/6, so this B version of the 91 car still had manual gearbox.
The Mclaren MP4/7 they started using in Brazil had indeed a semi-automatic gearbox you are refering to.
BallisticEVA01 3 months ago
Mclaren, bring back Honda for advice and engine supplier if they go back to Turbo engnines in 2014.
nagasako7 4 months ago
@deggis4 Do some some research and you will find that there is no such car as a McLaren MP4/6B, however there was a McLaren MP4/5B used in 1990. Senna used the McLaren MP4/6 in 1991 and at the start of 1992 as McLaren didn't have the new car ready yet, later on the season he drove the McLaren MP4/7.
AyrtonSennaFan97 4 months ago
@AyrtonSennaFan97 6B aka "Spec B". I'm afraid you need to more research to prove it doesn't exist. F1stats and F1-facts both refer to it: gourl(dot)gr(slash)lkc + gourl(dot)gr(flash)lkb
deggis4 4 months ago
@deggis4 What the fuck are you talking about? Go on wikipedia or ask any other person that know about F1, your truly retarded.
AyrtonSennaFan97 4 months ago
@AyrtonSennaFan97 That's funny, because Wikipedia knows about it too, so the question is really what the fuck are YOU talking about. Check the mini-URLs I gave in my previous comment, they redirect to F1 Stats and F1-Facts sites.
deggis4 4 months ago
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Yeah, bring back the 3.5L V12 engines! And no sissy paddle shifters!>>
Shut up! Why not bring back Auto Union while you are at it?
Bmants 4 months ago
oooommmmffffgggg he drive with one hand
zorkytotal 4 months ago
fantastic engine sound, v12 3500cc
EnkyNakamura 4 months ago
@EnkyNakamura I prefer the car of 91 mclaren mp4/6
/watch?v=T5b5xi7idlE&feature=related
senna 1991 1,47.813 pole lap spa belgica
vettel 2011 1,48.298 pole lap spa belgica
its impressive how could he be faster 20 years ago with manual gear, no KERS, no DRS...only skills driving with one hand
krayziegus 3 months ago
@krayziegus Actually the course was smaller back then with less chicanes. It is meaningless to compare those magical years to nowdays...
SkataKPonos 3 months ago
@SkataKPonos its the same size the only difference is one chicane.
zorkytotal 3 months ago
@zorkytotal The Eau Rouge was diffrent and more steep than that of today. It was longer for about 200 meters I think also the entire second section was somewhat differnet than that of today
SkataKPonos 3 months ago
@SkataKPonos my mistake i forgot they changed eau rouge in 1981 and also there is a diferent grass and some new trees at stavelot
zorkytotal 3 months ago
@zorkytotal OK I think you are funny....
SkataKPonos 3 months ago
@krayziegus
That is true, but dont forget the track changed. I know its a small one (in 2011 the lap at Spa is about 44 meters longer than in 1991), but to see the full picture, the fastest lap in the race of 1991 was 5.278 s slower than in 2011.
In Brazil 1991, Ayrton made 1:16.392 against 2010 pole Hulkenberg´s 1:14.470. Its almost 2 full seconds.
Not to mention fastest race laps: 1991 - 1'20.436s/ 2010 - 1:13.851(!!!)s
Still, i agree with you. Its quite remarkable! Mp4/6 was a great car!
BallisticEVA01 3 months ago
Forget confidence, you'd HAVE to be slightly crazy to be able to drive these monsters. Thats what seperated Formula One drivers from any other kind of athletes back then... but now... power steering, v8 engines (fair enough for the environment, but please) almost half the horsepower. Where did all the fun go?
AceKarterReloaded 4 months ago
@AceKarterReloaded Evolution evolves. If you start banning powersteerings, paddle shiftings etc. then it is kind of illogical to want more technical freedom at the same time.
ps. "almost half the horsepower", no longer turbos in 1992 and there was a big difference between qualifying and race engines.
deggis4 4 months ago
@deggis4 I agree with what you said on evolution, I myself am studying engineering. Its fascinating seeing technology progress! But youve got to admit there is something awe inspiring about a man who not only has to beat hit opponents and beat the circuit, but also has to wrestle with his wild beast of a car to do so! Thats why Senna and Walter Rohrl are better than Schumi or Loeb in my opinion!! Bull fighters more than swordsmen! (Not that the heroes of today aren't epic in themselves!!)
jogrobler 4 months ago
@AceKarterReloaded The fun gone, because of fuckin Ecclestone and Schumacher. Thats it. But they both got regret. Tried to change but nothing. Nowdays drivers play PS3 24h, and come to F1 if they got money or sponsors. Wtf ?
burns985 4 months ago
@AceKarterReloaded a modern day F1 car would be completely undriveable without power steering. With the g-forces and downforce generated you just wouldnt be able to turn the wheel. The physical effort of driving an F1 still requires enormous levels of fitness.
walnut5 4 months ago
That´s what i am talking about!
dtm123711 4 months ago
Rolling starts were common back then, with those powerful V10 and V12s engines and mechanical transmissions.
sookster54 4 months ago
@deggis4 Its not a jump start, its to make sure first gear engaged correctly. If Senna would of rolled faster/further he would of being penalised for a jump start, meaning jump start was not allowed back then. You dont see this today because if the driver engaged first the onboard computers would make sure the gear is engaged.
nvstewart 4 months ago
@nvstewart @sookster54 @sargatanas88 You're right, I was supposed to say "rolling start". Mistake.
deggis4 4 months ago
@deggis4 thats not correct, jump start was not allowed even in the early 90s. however it was not punished when you did slightly roll on like in this video. clear jump starts like that from Gerhard Berger in Canada 1990 were punished with a minute added to the race time.
sargatanas88 4 months ago
0:22 that was the moment, the 1992 season was decided. Williams had such a superior car and Mansell was at his prime.
Sokra01 4 months ago
lol just thought. williams have been around long than paddle shifters in F1.
ironryan9999 5 months ago
he did well to keep up with/beat those williams cars with their electronic suspension.. they basically drove themselves..
ScaRau 5 months ago
Pure Driving
didico89 5 months ago
0:15 PRESTART!!! that dirty cheater!!! ... oh wait its senna ... what a FANTASTIC move! naah, just kidding ;-)
goerekt 5 months ago 6
@goerekt
Just look at starts from the 70s or 80s. Nearly everyone was "cheating" back then.
Sokra01 5 months ago
@Sokra01 i didnt mean it seriously, its just a parody of some of the senna fanboys. senna is the greatest, but the fans are annoying.
goerekt 5 months ago
@goerekt
They all do that. They roll a little bit. Check out other starts :)
eddohan 3 months ago
Go Ayrton Go........
grupploso 5 months ago
They didnt have to down gear right?> its only to up gear?
LoserMcBeaver 5 months ago
looks like he was getting his ass kicked haha
plasticspastic201 5 months ago
the best f1 pilot ever!
danieldabatera 5 months ago
In 1992, the Honda V12 engine, was still the most powerful F1 engine, while the Renault V10 had the best balance for horsepower & torque. Ford V8 had the fattest torque though..
jonndol 5 months ago
Looking at the way the Williams Renault pulling away pretty quickly doesn't surprised me. Williams had a very trick active suspension back in those days, which was an unfair advantage to say the least, as the car can take much higher corner speed..
jonndol 5 months ago
Look at that driving with one hand. Ayrton is the king!
NOXXism 5 months ago
Ferrari was the first with paddles for gearchanging 1989. Chefdesigner was at this time by Ferrari the english star John Barnard. I believe too that Renault -Williams had this since 1991 (?)
samothsamothsamoth 5 months ago
@deggis4 Hmmm, I know that Williams has the paddles-behind-steering wheel shifter since the beginning of 1991; Ferrari had it ever earlier, since 1989? if I'd remember correctly? For Benetton, they had manual gearbox for the entire 1992 season.
So, who else has the semi-auto boxes in 1992?
zhammmy 5 months ago
I could watch this for hours....
GP4modfan 6 months ago
I wish I could have lived at the time when the Formula 1 had Ayrton Senna. I'm 14 years old, and I admire Ayrton. Who should not? A great driver and a great man. This is Ayrton Senna.
MrBrenoLuca 6 months ago
MASTERRRR!!!
changofa 6 months ago
Why cant we have racing like this in F1 nowadays?
bandman232 6 months ago
@bandman232 Change the Williamses to Red Bulls... and what is the difference?
deggis4 6 months ago
@deggis4 other teams putting up a fight.
bandman232 6 months ago
@bandman232 And they don't try to do that now? The Williams is one of the most dominating cars ever. I don't get your point.
deggis4 5 months ago
@deggis4 Well, Williams hasn't won a race since 2008.
bandman232 5 months ago
@deggis4 Since when have they won a race the last three years? Exactly. None.
bandman232 5 months ago
@bandman232 Eh, how that relates to this?
deggis4 5 months ago
@deggis4 The engines.
blainyrules 5 months ago
I can not write what I would do, to drive such a beast....
Tomasch 6 months ago
Now... amazing. Playing F1 1991 HE mod for rFactor is almost identical sounds!
McLaren is a bit hard to handle, instead Williams is very cool car. Senna forever
goldengab 6 months ago
@deggis4 correct
michael12345678902 6 months ago
what a fantastic video, thanks for uploading
RooR2027 6 months ago
thats awsome ....
mrsyd01 6 months ago
when racing was pure racing... yep, I know, I'm an oldimer, but love this far more then nowadays....
sjonhigh 6 months ago 10
@sjonhigh yea, F1 now these days feels a bit artificial.
Mobius0487 6 months ago
@sjonhigh this WAS f1 back in the day.
Jexcee 4 months ago
@sjonhigh There were some great things about F1 in that era, but the grids weren't close like they are now. Williams were sometimes 2 SECONDS faster than everyone else!
sinnae404 3 months ago
how is he downshiftin?
doiwantsomerandom 6 months ago