Thi Mau go to Pagoda-traditional Vietnamese Opera 1

[dht1994]

great :x



[hoasenhong]

This is chèo, not cải lương.

Chèo is Northern Viet opera.

Cải lương is Southern Viet opera.

The two are distinctly different.

[viethoang1962]

hope someone can post the whole ( quan an thi kinh ) that could be nice

[nicodagger]

lovestoryin

thanks! your explanation makes me admire the Vietham opera more, because it is so complex and rich. I am interested in the translation, whatever you can do, I will appreciate it! Vietnam has such a beautiful and long, rich history!

[katrixa]

*TEAR* this is so WONDERFUL

[smkitdown]

I know I'm just loving this inspirational piece it really brings me to tears.

[nicodagger]

Beautiful!~! Vietham has a gorgeous and ancient culture!! Can someone please post a translation of the words into English? Thanks for this!

[lovestoryim]

@nicodagger it's so hard to translate into english. Even the Vietnamese youth can't understand all of sentences,because there are many former words in singing.And there's many thing is so meaning in vietnamese but can't explain in english because the difference in culture and thinking.Actually it can explain,but it will be a long story with ton of details. We need an expert to explain for you and even for me. :P

[hoasenhong]

@lovestoryim I'm young but I understand every single sentence there :)

[lovestoryim]

@hoasenhong nice.

[saigonpunkid]

@nicodagger this scene is from a piece called Quan Am Thi Kinh, the whole piece is long but this extraction is about a girl called Thi Mau visiting a buddhist temple, which is supposed to be a respectful place but she starts acting out bubbly and inappropriate: singing, talking loudly and even teasing the young monk there.

[atree3]

thank you

[lovestoryim]

you're welcome :)

[lovestoryim]

Actually Cheo is influenced by Chinese too.

in the first time,cheo is just like a normal play,just have folk and poem,there's no singing.Then 14th century,there was an actor of chinese opera bring Chinese opera to vietnam,and Cheo learnt some technique singing from Chinese opera and created its own techniques.

[NYCinema]

Cai Luong is NOT influenced by Chinese Opera. Ho Quang and Hat Boi are influenced by Chinese Opera.

[lovestoryim]

in some way cailuong is actually influenced by Chinese opera.not by the way singing,by their gesture.

Because(1) cai luong is combination of don ca tai tu (singing with national instruments) with gesture and the way doing a play of Hat Boi ( such as parts,scenario,costumes.....)

And (2) Hat Boi is influenced by Chinese Opera.

[lovestoryim]

=>cai luong is influenced by chinese opera.

by the way if comparing between cheo and cai luong is cai luong that is too younger than cheo.Cai luong just was born in early of 20th century( about 30's).

[qlvnch123]

@lovestoryim

Cai luong is NOT influenced by chinese opera. Cai luong is not strictly pentatonic and has its own mode, scales and musical pieces. If you said that the acting was influced by the French it would be right but when you say it is influenced by the chinese, you are utterly wrong. CAI LUONG IS NOT INFLUENCED BY CHINESE OPERA... IN FACT LISTEN TO IT (TYPE CAI LUONG/ VONG CO... SOUNDS DIFFERENT, NO PERCUSSION, NOT PENTATONIC AND HAS WESTERN INFLUENCE NOT CHINESE INFLUNECE.

[lovestoryim]

@qlvnch123 Cai Luong was born from Don Ca Tai Tu and acting of Hat Boi (though it's adjusted for more fitting). That's why it's influenced a bit from Chinese Peking opera,some of script came from China,even some of instrumentals.Anyway, influence doesn't mean it's bad.Learning the quintessence from the other arts and creating from them is great.

[qlvnch123]

@lovestoryim Here is a clip from Nguyen Vinh Bao, filmed by the humble professor Tran Quang Hai the author of the article you sent me a link of. Mr. Nguyen Vinh Bao is a Professor of Vietnamese Traditional Music and was the head of the Southern Vietnam Traditional Music section in the Saigon Conservatory before the invasion of North Vietnam. In this clips he explains why and how Vietnamese music is completely different to Chinese music: search Maestro Vinh Bao's teaching of Dan Tranh in Youtube

[hoasenhong]

Thanks for posting this up. This is the real original Vietnamese opera.

Cải lương is influenced by Chinese opera.

[anglicansag]

Quite beautiful !

I've seen Chinese Opera but not Vietnamese.

Thank You !

★ ★ ★ ★ ★

[lovestoryim]

thanks for comment

Vietnam has three kind of opera,but I like this kind best,it is called Cheo.the others are Tuong and Cai Luong,you can find the cai luong on youtube.