I'm intimately familiar with this accident as a mechanic for the company that owned the aircraft. It was indeed a single engine failure that occurred just above the ground. The pilot did an exemplary job of pulling in more pitch (collective) but there wasn't enough to prevent the "hard landing". They were responding to a possible pool drowning victim.
The funny part about this accident was that it was the first day on the job for the nurse on the helicopter. Not being familiar with helicopters she didn't realize that they had "crashed". She grabbed the scene bag and hopped out to go to the drowning victim not realizing she had just survived a near death experience. As I recall, the drowning victim was OK.
Controlled landing?? hahahahah talk about a panic reaction, the pilot crashed it!!! its a freekin BK it could take off on one engine. In his defence sad sad lack of training..And yes i fly and instruct in them B4 some smart ass comments.
Hi there! I flew BK's and they will not take off on a single engine the last time we did some training in them. They will do a decent run on landing single engine, but I would like for you to share the secret of how to take off in a BK on a single engine.
To be fair, the ones I used to fly were powered by the Lycoming 750 hp engines and they just wouldn't give a great margin of error when I was in Phoenix, which is where this took place several years ago. Nobody got hurt.
@Classic63EType Sorry Classic... but we nearly sacked a guy for flying the machine home from a remote area on one engine, had igniter issues and having no pax decided to fly back to save everyone the bother. Good intentions but not the sort of thing to do. They have 2 engines + need them. No one got hurt as you say, but pilot technique could be better. I teach this stuff on a daily basis so sure i have an edge, his response was predictable but a better outcome for his employer was possible...
Hi there again! I do think that if your man kept his job after taking off with a known fault, you were more than kind in letting the man keep his job as I know of nobody who would deliberately take off in an aircraft with a problem for the sake of saving others the inconvenience of having to make repairs in the field. That sometimes happens in this business. Thanks for the kind reply and have a great
Hi there again! I do think that if your man kept his job after taking off with a known fault, you were more than kind in letting the man keep his job as I know of nobody who would deliberately take off in an aircraft with a problem for the sake of saving others the inconvenience of having to make repairs in the field. That sometimes happens in this business. Thanks for the kind reply and have a great
@Classic63EType Hi Classic.. it was kinda one of those moments after the fact... he arrived back safe and then told us of the problem... the way he seen it.... there was one perfectly good engine and he had no pax to be responsible for... so standing there wide eye in disbelief but with out inccident..so, by the way he no longer works for us, there were to many wide eye moments hahaha. and it just wasnt working out.
Have a great Xmas, i start 4 weeks tomorrow in PNG, shit for me lol oh well...
@happyhouse152 .. No one disputing the emergency land.. and any one you walk away from is always a good one.. its only a peice of metal. BUT.. my sarcasm directed at the pilot (light hearted), he only had 50' to run and you see him lower the nose increasing rate of decent when he simply could have continued and over pitched if need be, simple inpsection if any limits that were exceeded on the single engine in doing so, airframe damage is horrendous, to you it only looks like skid damage.
didn't hear any loss of rpm. the "remaining" engine obviously had the power to maintain rpm with all that pitch pulled. no doubt that it was settling with power and blamed on engines. a distinct loss of rpm would cause the rotor to cone up. And notice a pretty good vertical descent at the end. And, people, please don't comment that helis like to come down vertically, only pianoes do.
Yes that's true,but they can operate with one engine only at a sufficient speed...this heli was too slow...almost hover = not enought lift with one engine...although this was an A category heli
That helicopter still should have enough power to hover with one engine... If you look at the blades you can see them bowing up at the end. When you settling w/ power occurs, the helicopter will plummet to the ground just like that and the blades will bow up.
well you would know that this wasn't a hevy BK117 the engine went out and did not have enough speed/room to do an aouto rotation....and i highly doubt you have flown an Eurocopter BK117
Hey jerk. First, my original comment was referring to Jomo91's comment about twin engine helicopters being able to fully operate with one engine. No, they can't if they are heavy with low airspeed and low to the ground. Second, its not a matter of autorotation with a dual engine helicopter with a single engine failure. Had he enough altitude or airspeed at the time he could have flown away with one engine. He just didn't have the power at that speed and altitude so it did a hard landing.
Yes, still flying professionally in the EMS field. Flying the BK117 as the main aircraft. Also qaulified and frequently fly a Bell 407. Occasionally fly the BO105. Not going to give a lot of personal info here.
I'm intimately familiar with this accident as a mechanic for the company that owned the aircraft. It was indeed a single engine failure that occurred just above the ground. The pilot did an exemplary job of pulling in more pitch (collective) but there wasn't enough to prevent the "hard landing". They were responding to a possible pool drowning victim.
markschnell 1 month ago
The funny part about this accident was that it was the first day on the job for the nurse on the helicopter. Not being familiar with helicopters she didn't realize that they had "crashed". She grabbed the scene bag and hopped out to go to the drowning victim not realizing she had just survived a near death experience. As I recall, the drowning victim was OK.
markschnell 1 month ago
I remember this. Was just down the street from were I lived
dwarfcar76 8 months ago
lol
atlanticagtaiv 9 months ago
@lexale That's a big word did your mummy teach you that?
mcharles64 10 months ago
aww those were simple times
nextlevel2burittos 10 months ago
That news anchor looks like Marcy from Married With Childern
rydawg141 1 year ago
vortex ring....
lexale 1 year ago
@lexale Didnt you watch the full video?
One of the engines shuts down while its approaching
happyhouse152 1 year ago
Controlled landing?? hahahahah talk about a panic reaction, the pilot crashed it!!! its a freekin BK it could take off on one engine. In his defence sad sad lack of training..And yes i fly and instruct in them B4 some smart ass comments.
quickrelease100 1 year ago
@quickrelease100
Hi there! I flew BK's and they will not take off on a single engine the last time we did some training in them. They will do a decent run on landing single engine, but I would like for you to share the secret of how to take off in a BK on a single engine.
To be fair, the ones I used to fly were powered by the Lycoming 750 hp engines and they just wouldn't give a great margin of error when I was in Phoenix, which is where this took place several years ago. Nobody got hurt.
Classic63EType 1 year ago
@Classic63EType Sorry Classic... but we nearly sacked a guy for flying the machine home from a remote area on one engine, had igniter issues and having no pax decided to fly back to save everyone the bother. Good intentions but not the sort of thing to do. They have 2 engines + need them. No one got hurt as you say, but pilot technique could be better. I teach this stuff on a daily basis so sure i have an edge, his response was predictable but a better outcome for his employer was possible...
quickrelease100 1 year ago
@quickrelease100
Hi there again! I do think that if your man kept his job after taking off with a known fault, you were more than kind in letting the man keep his job as I know of nobody who would deliberately take off in an aircraft with a problem for the sake of saving others the inconvenience of having to make repairs in the field. That sometimes happens in this business. Thanks for the kind reply and have a great
Christmas season. Best regards to you and family!
Classic63EType 1 year ago
@quickrelease100
Hi there again! I do think that if your man kept his job after taking off with a known fault, you were more than kind in letting the man keep his job as I know of nobody who would deliberately take off in an aircraft with a problem for the sake of saving others the inconvenience of having to make repairs in the field. That sometimes happens in this business. Thanks for the kind reply and have a great
Christmas season. Best regards!
Classic63EType 1 year ago
@Classic63EType Hi Classic.. it was kinda one of those moments after the fact... he arrived back safe and then told us of the problem... the way he seen it.... there was one perfectly good engine and he had no pax to be responsible for... so standing there wide eye in disbelief but with out inccident..so, by the way he no longer works for us, there were to many wide eye moments hahaha. and it just wasnt working out.
Have a great Xmas, i start 4 weeks tomorrow in PNG, shit for me lol oh well...
quickrelease100 1 year ago
@quickrelease100 I wouldnt say he crashed it. Id say it was an emergency landing
happyhouse152 1 year ago
@happyhouse152 .. No one disputing the emergency land.. and any one you walk away from is always a good one.. its only a peice of metal. BUT.. my sarcasm directed at the pilot (light hearted), he only had 50' to run and you see him lower the nose increasing rate of decent when he simply could have continued and over pitched if need be, simple inpsection if any limits that were exceeded on the single engine in doing so, airframe damage is horrendous, to you it only looks like skid damage.
quickrelease100 1 year ago
I love the nearby witness statement, "...there could have been a big problem."
Yeah, he probably crossed the street today, he could've gotten hit by a car.
A pigeon could have pooped on him during this interview.
He could have worn a red cap instead of a green cap.
What the hell is he talking about?
pulsejet1 1 year ago
made in USA
rempageable 1 year ago
didn't hear any loss of rpm. the "remaining" engine obviously had the power to maintain rpm with all that pitch pulled. no doubt that it was settling with power and blamed on engines. a distinct loss of rpm would cause the rotor to cone up. And notice a pretty good vertical descent at the end. And, people, please don't comment that helis like to come down vertically, only pianoes do.
range206 1 year ago
It's, just hard landing. No scary. :D
1906199118 1 year ago
:D was't a pilot error :D he had an engine problem,.....
the story tells that one of both engines failed
paddy90159015 1 year ago
Hey David,
your glasse are too big for your face.
FlightLevelHeaded 1 year ago
pilot eror pilot eror
7249xxl 1 year ago
Engine problem my ass the video tells the story.
19thSFGA 1 year ago
CRASH???
jasong19711 1 year ago
way to hot.
BoracayOcean69 2 years ago
Vortex Ring indeed
Kpj7466 2 years ago
Vortex ring?
01Zec32S 2 years ago
engine problem
FlingwingGolfer 2 years ago
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CaptSkoglund 2 years ago
You can see the buffeting from VRS.
motokid032 2 years ago
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MrTomasr1980 2 years ago
definately looks like Settling With Power...
all twin turbine helicopters are still able to fully operate with one engine!
JoMo91 3 years ago
Yes that's true,but they can operate with one engine only at a sufficient speed...this heli was too slow...almost hover = not enought lift with one engine...although this was an A category heli
blekoldshaflo2 2 years ago
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kmrounds 3 years ago
That helicopter still should have enough power to hover with one engine... If you look at the blades you can see them bowing up at the end. When you settling w/ power occurs, the helicopter will plummet to the ground just like that and the blades will bow up.
Theros91 3 years ago
Most duel engine medium sized helicopters do not have enough power to hover on one engine if they are fully loaded and the air is warm.
jasmine547 2 years ago
PILOT FAILURE, AND WHISKY...I THINK.
marceloribeirobarros 3 years ago
oops, my mistake.....engine failure.
trev777777777 3 years ago
Classic 'settling with power'.
trev777777777 3 years ago
@trev777777777 Really? The news report mentioned an engine failure as the cause.
aligerous 7 months ago
Even with one engin the pilot should be able to land the helicopter certainly...
ItzNotGood 3 years ago
Apparentlt not!!!
flyifrvfr 3 years ago
Obviously you have never flown a Bk117 at max gross weight.
jasmine547 2 years ago
and....you have?
shadddey5 2 years ago
Yes, I have.
jasmine547 2 years ago
well you would know that this wasn't a hevy BK117 the engine went out and did not have enough speed/room to do an aouto rotation....and i highly doubt you have flown an Eurocopter BK117
shadddey5 2 years ago
Hey jerk. First, my original comment was referring to Jomo91's comment about twin engine helicopters being able to fully operate with one engine. No, they can't if they are heavy with low airspeed and low to the ground. Second, its not a matter of autorotation with a dual engine helicopter with a single engine failure. Had he enough altitude or airspeed at the time he could have flown away with one engine. He just didn't have the power at that speed and altitude so it did a hard landing.
jasmine547 2 years ago
What has been your experience with helicopters? Still in the industry? If yes, what are you flying and where?
aligerous 2 years ago
Yes, still flying professionally in the EMS field. Flying the BK117 as the main aircraft. Also qaulified and frequently fly a Bell 407. Occasionally fly the BO105. Not going to give a lot of personal info here.
jasmine547 2 years ago
Sweet. I'll message you.
aligerous 2 years ago
hahahaha
ZENGO366 4 years ago
80´s called. they want their hairstyle and glasses back!! lol
jouhoman 4 years ago
lol
smartcocker 4 years ago