Missing (part4)

[MooNTHELooN77]

Holy shit, is that Palmer from The Thing?

[greatking1997]

Costa Gavras had a penchant for making high voltage political thrillers. The State Department had protested vehemently when this movie was released, stating there was no complicity on the part of the CIA in the overhrow of Salvodor Allende Gossens. Witness one remarkable thing in this move...there in no mention of the word Chile....only Santigo is mentioned frequently and since Nixon's portrait adorns the the US embassy, it can be assumed that the events pertained to the year 1973

[Grifiki]

"If you ever find your kids missing in another Country. Never mention any kind or shit religion; Theirs nor your.  And definitly never metion any kind of shit Government, Just do the best negotiative/dialogue you can................"

[NordishTerror]

Thank God for hero Pinochet

[ehta01]

@NordishTerror Pity you weren't there - you would probably be buried in a wall at the national cemetery.

[Carpentersfan2003]

So that is where that tag phrase comes from... " No shit Sherlock..." I never would have guessed it was uttered by Spacek in this movie...

[skylur44]

God forsaken country, truly a living hell. Heaven help those who have to live there, I'd rather be dead.

[rumpraisin]

A living hell for the poor.

[skylur44]

Yes, I'm sure it is, and I would not even go there for a vacation despite what people keep telling me about how it has improved, the fact that these atrocities ever took place should be enough to keep anyone away.

[rumpraisin]

Well, I live in France and it wasn't so long ago that French Jews and other enemies of the 3rd Reich were being rounded up and sent to Auscwitz. Still, that doesn't stop it being the No.1 tourist destination in the world. My street is named after a resistance hero who was betrayed by a Frenchman and subsequently tortured to death by the gestapo.

[skylur44]

All wars are terrible, no doubt about that, but France never has had the stigma, despite WW2 and the Nazis, of being a country where the police shot citizens on sight and had coups occurring on a regular basis, the violence and torture in South America is just appalling, France has never had that stigma. WW2 had horrors as every war has, but in SA the police and the government is so corrupt that this sort of atmosphere is ripe for tortures and murders of innocent civilians.

[rumpraisin]

If you read up about the Algerian war (1954-1962), or see the film 'La Bataille d'Algiers (available on You Tube), you might change your point of view on this subject.

[skylur44]

I doubt that, I was so appalled when I first saw this movie and although the USA did have a hand in this coup, ultimately it was the lack of order and discipline that permitted these tortures and atrocities to take place against not only disenfranchised Americans, but innocent Chileans as well. Both sides were wrong here but it was because of the lawless atmosphere of Chile that this coup was as bloody as it was. The authorities who carried it out took much pleasure in their "work."

[rumpraisin]

Can this lawlessness be blamed on the Latin temperament?

[skylur44]

No, because the ones who bore the brunt of this were Latin, it is a matter of a particular country having no viable leader, being vulnerable to bad suggestion, being disorganized and having too many overzealous police.

[RideMyBMW]

it is a matter of a particular country having no viable leader, being vulnerable to bad suggestion, being disorganized and having too many overzealous police. - sky

Well put skylur. Dunno if it´ll ever change either.

[mcmlxvi]

Are you fucking stupid?? The chilean coup was orchestrated, promoted, financed and ultimately directed by washigton, and not only in Chile, but in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Grenada, Ecuador, and by all means lets not forget the CIA overthrew a perfectly democraticaly elected president in Iran back in 1954 that could have stopped the Islam from taking power to sit a "Sha" in his place. So again I ask you: are you fucking stupid or what?

[skylur44]

No, I am not "fucking stupid" as you would know if you had read ALL of my comments, I KNOW, as I stated, the US was complicit, and I also stated, this sort of coup could only have occurred in a country that is basically corrupt and lawless. Without the cooperation of the powers that be in Chile, this could never have taken place. So now I ask, are you fucking stupid or are you just an asshole looking for a fight? Cocksucker.

[mcmlxvi]

Really? The US was "complicit", well that's odd, because the judicial system of Chile (corrupt and lawless) trialed and convicted not only Pinochet but more 150 top agents of his government, even Hormans' investigation is open today and people has been charged with his murder. Now, blow me away and tell me how many people have the "beacon of justice" trialed as of today for their "complicity" in this genocide, cause last I heard, Nixon was even burried with honors, wasn't he?

[skylur44]

Trying to converse with you is like trying to play tennis without a tennis ball, in other words, dude, IM-FUCKING-POSSIBLE. Now run along and spew your vitriol and closed mind at someone who might actually give a shit.

[bapyou]

@skylur44 "this sort of coup could only have occurred in a country that is basically corrupt and lawless. Without the cooperation of the powers that be in Chile, this could never have taken place."

A complete utter bullshit lie; there was law & order in Chile. The US intentionally overthrew a legally elected government that happened to piss off some American business interests. It was the U.S. which acted in an intentionally lawless manner as it creating the coup. It was all about the $.

[rumpraisin]

And let us not forget the more recent war in Algeria.

[dustyaries]

Around this time of the film, 18 September 1973, just around 4:50 of this part of Missing, Charles Horman might been executed at the National Stadium. Costa-Garvas might have timed it with Vangelis's sorrowful score with Jack Lemmon moving towards the window. Ed Horman probably have felt that feeling of dread. I know I would. RIP Ed and Charles.

[concussedcarneous]

@dustyaries that doesn't make sense though. she says... that he's gone for over TWO WEEKS...

he was with the other woman writing in his notebook on SEP 16; so this is probably the end of Sep

it don't add up, bro