Hi. I'm Albert, and I'm interested in knowing more about this. :) I have a school competition and I think there might be something in this to a sustainable solution to housing? Thanks!
I would have thought that you'd plaster the straw bales right after they're up. A little roof overhang isn't going to keep them dry if the wind comes from that side...and wet straw is game over for the house...
couldn't you do like you said and avoid the extra cost of the two shipping containers and save yourself and extra 4 grand... yes structure wise it would be sound,but it has all ready be proven that a stray house can take a earthquake.
this is agreat idea, but what about for cold climates? insulating the floor and roof and more windows. i`ve been told that u can`t just use any type of straw as well, do u know anything of this?
I like this! The R-Factor insulation must be extremely high. You have given me an idea to build this underground. The bales of hay will eventually break down over the years and still provide a cushion against the pressure of the dirt against the walls. The top could be concreted to prevent collapse. Got to think about this one....
@martiwf0 the bales alone have a rating of 30-50 depending on the compaction of the bales, if you can friend a baler he can custom set compaction as he is baling to what you need.
How do you ride out of condensation inside the walls?..you need to find a way to ventilate the wall construction or you´ll have a lot of moist as soon you start using the house..
@pmo1971 straw bales should always be covered with an earthen plaster that allows the wall to breath thus no moisture is condensed on the walls, if you are concerned about between the bale wall and the container I would add a sheet of tyvek or similar..
Where is foor and roof insulation?Front should be insulated aswell. It needs more windows. Cutting hole in container roof and using loft could make this "house" comfy for small family.
Someone suggested straw insulation inside, I think it will be always damp and it is too much risk
Bad Design. No insulation on the inside means you sound and feel like you are in a steel box. roflmao! Every spent time in a steel box? Go try it before you ask others to.
@parasitesarefunny well thank you for your input, I dare ask what was the name of the prison you where in that had the steel box, why is it that all these people can come on here and tell me this or that but have no fucking experience in doing this type of building at all? I have been building homes for 25 years, natural and green homes for the past 4 years, I am pretty sure I have paid my dues to know this shit... thank you come again...
Never been in jail, only been a war criminal with the USMC. If you have been building homes for 25 years then you should know that living in a steel box with no interior insulation is just plain funny, which is why you did not or could not address my comment. Green homes? Don't make me laugh. Kind of how fiberglass insulation is labelled "Green" if it does not contain formaldehyde.... ROFLMAO! An overbuilt thick steel box is not "Green" either, just funny.
@parasitesarefunny of course the steel container is not the green aspect dude, its the reuse of a watse item which the container becomes, I do not use anything with chemicals in the homes I build but how can that compete with a guy thats a trained killer? hmmm the world just shuddered...
Steel is recyclable. Over-building a structure is a waste of material no matter where the material comes from. Living in a steel box is not good. Chemicals? Yes, that is why I think GREEN fiberglass insulation is funny! Just because they took out 1 chemical they call it GREEN. ROFLMAO! Then again, they can call it GREEN just because it insulates. LOL! Propaganda is hilarious!
@parasitesarefunny do you know how much it would cost the shipping companies to recycle a container? they wont, it is cheaper for them to have a new container shipped from over seas then reuse one, you need to learn some facts about things you spout off about, and what the fuck does green fiberglass insulation have to do with me? I don't use and would never again. Your have nothing to offer here but stupidity, at least offer something solid and useful...
I understand drugs are a problem in the construction industry but you can do better. Green fiberglass has nothing to do with you, other than showing the stupidity of calling some things "GREEN". Face it buddy, your steel box is an over built waste of good metal and a horrible design.
I will repeat:
Bad Design. No insulation on the inside means you sound and feel like you are in a steel box. roflmao!
This man has an entire channel full of nice ideas and designs.
It's not only More green than normal buildings, its also low budget, wich is a big deal.
Id rather live in his house than in no house at all, wich is the case for ALLOT of people these days.
If you see flaws, try to be productive & seek a solution and THEN respond to this video. Instead of just trying to break the video down (You're failing to do this btw.)
No crying here, the only home I am addressing is this home I have commented on. Do YOU actually think living in a steel box without insulation on the inside is good? roflmao! Seriously, think before you respond. The only one doing the cursing and name calling is the guy who wants some dupe to live in a steel box.
@parasitesarefunny funny thing is that there are many hundreds of videos here of container homes some just the container spruced up, go fuck with them, it doesnt matter which side the insulation is on inside or out. now go kill a village of brown people or something..
You think I support the military and our war crimes? You are too funny. Let me guess... with all your so-called building experience you probably swallow the Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory. roflmao! As if damage to the top of a steel building can then demolish the entire building. lol!
Now you say it does not matter what side of the steel box the insulation is on? roflmao! And you call yourself a builder? lol. Come on buddy, this is getting too funny.
Absolutely nothing wrong with assuming your ignorance about 9/11, especially when you cannot seem to understand simple steel boxes and insulation. I'll give you a big cheer if you can actually understand what happened on 9/11. Good for you if you can see through that bullshit. Then again, going a bit deeper to understand WHO was behind the 9/11 demolition might be a stretch for you, especially if you dont know anything about WWII or the lies behind that.
Tyvek on the outside of the steel in not needed. On the outside of the straw is where you want an outer vapor barrier. Needs interior vapor barrier as well. No floor or attic insulation shown? No interior wall insulation is needed as that's what the straw is supposed to do? No vents shown for walls or attic? Major condensation will cause straw to rot and mildew/fungus to grow. Needs termite barrier under plywood outerwalls otherwise they will love the straw house you made for them.
@demosthenses2011 Do you build with strawbale? this needs no vapor barrier anywhere, the reason I used the tyvek was to keep the condensation from the steel of the container away from the bale. Doesn't need termite barrier.
@futuristcaroline boy am I glad I wasn't hanging on whether your impressed or not!!! Just think of the heart break I would have had, had I done so..........
@TheDudeRulez09 Thanks for the video. It's a great concept piece. I am sure with some ingenuity and planning this idea can be adapted and refined to create very efficient and pleasing homes.
I am amazed how many people just don't get what you are doing with this video. Your comments very clearly state that this is not something you would build for various reasons. But I guess to some people it's easier to comment without reading anything first.
@TheDudeRulez09 i think so, because i wanna get refrigerated shipping container and add window or two to it just like those guys did watch?v=csNeFYs8qpg . no need to overcomplicate stuff, and R50 thermal insulation is in place. 1700$ for the container, what else can one want...
@sgtpepper1138 no idea. i think they have vaccum+glasswool based insulation pads, and as a container they must adhere to some standards for their strength and durability so shipping firms would have them onboard and deal with them in first place. i think if any different they might be better built than regular ones
if any different they might be stronger. i think i heard about some stardards that containers must follow in order to be taken onboard the ship. noone wants something to break onboard and make a mess and damage other stuff. and if lucky you can have vaccuum+glasswool based insulation, so no fumes from foams :)
I like it, think it'd be possible to build an apartment complex w/ these? How could you keep them even cooler inside.. do you think it'd be fine to place them halfway-up inside the ground? it would be great insulation.. lol.
Nice idea, but would it help to insulate the floor as some people insulate their crawl space? And I feel a single sloped roof would be better for solar panels or rain capture if angled to the south.
using food to make fuel, insulation, etc....rather than feed ourselves/livestock? That's a hard sell (especially in a drought!) Not to mention that insulation thats 1/8th the weight and thickness with 4 times the R-rating is cheaper (and easier to install/maintain).....not so sure.........hmmmmm.......
@f1471in3r no...you are thinking of HAY, which is dried GRASS and yes is food for livestock. This method uses STRAW, which is the dried stalks of grains like oats or wheat, there is NO nutritional value in straw. However since the stalks are hollow (unlike grass stems), straw has great insulation value.
@BarefootinMN Awesome! Thanx for clarifying. Since air (trapped pockets there of) is what makes good insulation, I can see how that would prove very effective! Plus there is the added benefit of using the entire plant rather than discarding the stalks after harvesting the grain. That's pretty cool. Do you have any problems with mold or mildew?
@hitmeup44 If you hover your cursor over the video there is a tool bar at the bottom where you can turn the volume of the music down, even mute it if you so desire. A little free piece of information from me to you.
@hitmeup44 You see that little speaker icon to the right of the Play/Pause control? If you click it, you'll see an x next to it, and the music will stop. I did that so I could watch through to the end. I also could have just muted my speakers, but this way I could listen to something else while watching this.
@waterwart A little quick look around online shows that you can get a standard 20' container for around$1000 and a long 40' container for $2000. Many places even offer to deliver with crane for placement (for example, within 160 miles of Houston for $140. Remember, one 20' container is 160 sq.ft. of space (a 40' is double, 320 sq.ft.)
@TheRealXesc I don't know where you have been lookin...but every I have looked they were wanting upwards of 4000 for a 40 footer and 2500 up for a 20 footer. Houston is a few hours drive from here...I am thinking the price would be differant is a person were able to go buy them direct, but I bet it is an auction type deal or something,and for so many at atime. Which in my case wouldn't be worth it as I only need 4 to 8 of them.
The "Toe-Ups" would make better sense if it were flipped with the blocking facing downward that way if something leaks between the juncture of straw and Toe-Up it doesn't fucntion like basins . Further, I would probably flash over the Toe-Up under the straw including a outward diversion bend (much like the center diversion bend used in exposed valley metal in shingle or slate roofing). I don't think the 2 x's alone are strong enough for the spans of the Toe-Up between the pier footings.
@Cynthia5314 the toe ups are filled with pea gravel to allow any moisture to run out of the bale wall, there are weep holes in the bottom of the toe ups, a flashing would seal and not allow this to happen, this is not a conventional home, therefore conventional thought processes will not work. Btw I have 24 years of residential home building as my background and understand why you suggested this but it wont work that way!
@TheDudeRulez09 I like your idea. I'm currently looking myself at building a garage outbuilding using shipping containers. The part I'm struggling with isn't the basic build, but the structural calcs with relation to joining two containers together, and cutting a large chunk of metal out of them to create one contiguous room.
@lewisbrand as long as the top seam of the containers is welded together then there is no issue with the container sagging in the middle if this is what you are referring to, typically there is a gap of about 2" and it will need to be spanned by a piece of steel lengthwise. If you still feel that the container might be weakened to the point of sag, then temporary legs can be used to support the roof of both containers. Then once the cuts are complete, trim and set post if desired as necessary.
@artistofdayear please send $1,000,000 to my PayPal account and I will be on my to build you one, but I might get sidetracked in South America for a couple years.....
@littleoak13 very true, to add a window you always want to add it to the top of a bale, for instance you d 2 rows of bales and build whats called a buck, which is basically a box the window is mounted in, this sets ontop =of the 2nd row of bales then the container can be cut to correspond with that buck, windows and door dont need a full header or lentil over them as the box beam carries the load of the roof.
Thumbs up, thanks for posting. But how do you intend to insulate the floor and roof (sorry don't want to be a kill joy)? I guess you could cut a hole in the roof and get into the crawl space, probably have to do this for services anyway, or place bales as insulation in the roof scape after the rafters go up. So the roof is not a major headache. I would be interested to hear any ideas on insulating the floor.
@IrlDave71 I wouldn't build this this personally, it would be better to just do a container home or a straw bale, BUT...............if for some weird ass reason I got a wild hair up my butt then............ since containers are 9' in hight I would frame out a raised floor inside and insulate with recycled jeans or cellulose insulation and then deck it.
@IrlDave71 You elevate the containers, make a hollow floor and place the strawbales. When dealing with floor insulation, you are bound to have "thermical bridges". Nothing complicated....
Freaking awesome idea dude. I had plans on building a container house, then flipped to straw bale, then back to container (it never occurred to me to combine the idea) ...what do you think about welding pins to the side of the container, you could slide the bales onto the pins (more like wire) ...then use this to secure the chicken wire on the outer side... just a thought - that way your entire bale wall becomes secured to the container.
@shanemacc with this design not being load bearing I don't see why you couldn't do that, the straw would act as insulation alone and not be structural. Remember if you can coat the pins with something like maybe tar or similar to prevent the pins from dripping moisture from condensation and destroying the bales. Condensation from metal in the bales is the main issue with using metals, as you could imagine.
I am glad people are considering using containers as homes and in cold climates straw bales would be a good way to insulate. You did not need to run down my work which you obviously copied to stroke your ego and make a few bucks from your google adds.
By the way my new book will be out in April 2011. It is almost 400 pages full of plans including straw bale homes and off grid cabins and sells for $10. That is 15 years of work and sweat!
@solarcabin 15 years of other peoples work, I have seen all that you have done man you showed me all your work and NOT ONE of them was strawbale or anything besides your tiny solar shed!! you can play it up all you want to the masses, I have no adsense adz, are my video on Google adsense sure, and I make about 100 bucks every 3-4 months, how much do you make on all your plagiarized info on "your" PDF, nice plug BTW I didn't expect less from you, you have to live with your bullshit , I dont!
@solarcabin I teach workshops were people come to my land and learn hands on, I go to different states to build homes and help build eco-villages, I build homes for people that need homes, I am headed to Pine Ridge Sioux Reservation in July to build a family a home that needs one, what do you do? sing your songs and plagiarize people work, excellent!! rock on Solarcabin dude Rock on!!
@solarcabin HAHA bs land scams!!! prove it!! as for the reason why your PDF has sold is people don't know you are scamming them!! simple as that, THIS IS NOT YOUR DESIGN!! you CANNOT OWN a design like this!! it is impossible!! shows how much you know, and improving on it? you bet your ass i did improved it from you not knowing shit and possibly causing a disaster if someone did it to showing the right way to do it and NOT have a disaster!! yeah improvement!!! HAHA!
Show us these container and straw bail homes you have built or any off grid solar home ?
You can't because you have never built one!
All you did is is copied my design and tried to add in a foundation platform that would end up trapping in moisture that would rot the straw bales.
I provided the idea so people could expand on it and improve on it and you should stop being jealous of my work. I have over 500,000 video views and have sold over 10,000 books.
Shipping containers are made insanely strong, a 40' container can extend almost half of its length out into space without ANY extra reinforcement and still support an massive amount of cargo! The formed steel frame of the container is made to withstand being completely packed with goods and lifted via crane in only 2 points on the top and still remain structurally intact! just a bit of container fact!
You have obviously never built with containers or straw . The container will buckle with out a continuous footer and so will your straw wall support. You created a vapor lock in the straw wall that will rot the straw.
Don't pretend to be a builder and don't even give away these plans!
@solarcabin am man I figured you would post here sooner or later, please take you shitty solar cabin that looks like a shed and go elsewhere, you have no idea of anything you talk about dealing with natural build or conventional building for that matter, go sell you shit pdf to the dumb asses that are conned into buying them.
@solarcabin I have been building conventional homes for 24 years and natural material homes for the past 4, you are a crappy electrician this a shed that looks like a home depot special and harbor freight PV panels, I did have respect for you until you started telling people that they can drink water from a fiberglass shingled roof, then when I corrected you , you told me you needed to sell them your PDF to make a living!! HA!!! you are a fraud solarcabin dude!!
@solarcabin sure some of the things in your PDF are awesome but those things are other peoples ideas you took and added to your PDF, way to go!! make money off of other peoples ideas!! I guess that's the American way isn't it? stick to singing your songs man you are WAY better at that than building!!
Hey this looks interesting. I'm actually looking at straw bale with disused shipping containers for a design scheme for flats. Would be nice to see some plans that you've got.
@EcoCraigLEED as I have stated before i would NEVER build this, way too many possible disasters waiting to happen, can it be done? of course, but the costs would make this not worth it.
@TheDudeRulez09 np man i am a plummer and electrisian and i started as a fraimer. i know a thing or two on building, i am verry interested in designs that arnt commenly used.
Great video. Well constructed. Wondered about the gap between the container and the ground in the front facing visualization. Also wondered if you like to put something under the containers (I saw you used crushed stone in one picture but it wasn't for a container construction) to keep flooring warm in cold seasons.
@walktothebeach I haven't built this, and would not build this. If you want to build this yourself then I would be glad to work with you on the design in more detail as to "IF" and thats a monstrous "IF" I were to build it. As for the front of gap anything will work after all it needs to have a breezeway just like any other pier and beam structure, so your choice of lathe or other decorative material.
Insulation would be done interior!! typical containers are 9' ceilings so you could (con't)
build up a framed floor and either use a expanding foam (I would recommend soy based foam) or recycled jean insulation, with typical plywood or dimensional lumber, you could do radiant flooring. Its very easy to find house that need to be demo'd and I typically tell the home owner if he provides a garbage bin then all the stuff we don't want will be put in it, that and a little bit of cash to cover expenses will save them tins of money and you get tons of reusable lumber, windows, doors, etc..
you could set these containers on a concrete pad, be we are trying hard to cut the use of concrete to absolute minimum, but if you were to set them on a pad then you would form a ledge for the straw bale just like you would a brick ledge, with weep holes, then toe ups on top of the ledge, pea gravel in the toes ups then paper and bales and so on.
Yeah, out in Hempstead area, right? I just posted another of your workshops to our calendar recently I think - calendar dot sustainable sources dot com.
Yes, I did read all the posts before chiming in, and I think we're on the same page.
One thing I'd be concerned about is the potential for air gaps/thermal chimneys between the container (which typically isn't flat) and the bales. Not only would those be an open invitation for nesting critters, but it can also be a fire hazard - in fact, a fair number of the (relatively few) straw bale home fires were due to just such a pathway where fire can spread quickly. Granted, it would 'only' be the exterior of the house that would be directly burnt. One possible solution...(continued
One thing I'd be concerned about is the potential for air gaps/thermal chimneys between the container (which typically isn't flat) and the bales. Not only would those be an open invitation for nesting critters, but it can also be a fire hazard - in fact, a fair number of the (relatively few) straw bale home fires were due to just such a pathway where fire can spread quickly. Granted, it would 'only' be the exterior of the house that would be directly burnt. One possible solution...(continued)
@billc108 would be to incorporate a clay plaster between the bales and steel/tyvek. It'd probably be a bit of a job working it in there, though. Also, be sure to include a firestop (double thickness of sheetrock will probably do) between the bales and your box beam, or a fire could quickly spread right into your roof structure.
I hate to say it, but it seems to me that if you're going to go to all the work of building an exterior bale wrap, why include the containers at all? (continued)
@billc108 ...the container restricts the size and shape of the structure, a pure loadbearing bale wall is structurally sound, fire resistant (2-hr ASTM rating w/cement plaster, 1-hr w/earthen plaster), can vary in shape/size, and IMHO is more aesthetically pleasing.
I'm not anti-container, I've seen some good work done with them. I just wonder if it really makes sense to combine straw and containers in this way.
@billc108 exactly!! if you read my posts you will see that I agree with what you are saying, i build strawbale and cob homes here in Texas, there was a person that posted a video here on youtube that told people to build in a way that would have guaranteed a disastrous end, so I posted this just to make sure that if someone built one of these they did it to the best methods that would ensure its life span.
@billc108 see post below..... if you ever want to get some hands on and see what they really can do drop me and email and you are more than welcome to come out.
@billc108 I have has a stack of 400 bales under tarp for 6 months on top of pallets to keep them off the ground, THERE ARE NO CRITTERS!! BALES DO NOT BURN they smolder, we in the natural building movement have done extensive tests in accredited institutes to test the fire rating of straw bales and they blow even 1 hour (which is the standard) fire board away.
@claytoons i am not sure what ceramic pain is, do you mean paint? sure why not if so, as I have stated before i would never do this to a container personally.
the front of the "construction" is not insulated, the cold air from outside will come inside via the iron of the container. wich results in condens water on the inside wall and glass. also, the strawbales can be compressed, while stacking them, with a strap. put vertical metal pins (about 1.5m) into the bales to connect all the bales wich makes it much more stronger and you wont have to worry that the roof will hang if the bales shrink in summer.
@profet1001 I am very aware of how to do strawbale, thanks for your input, the front of the containers is insulated with standard blown in insulation, if you read below you will see why I posted this video.
@profet1001 I guess you could but you would have to take into account the rate of compaction of a single flat layer of bales as opposed to a stacked layer, if you were to lay the bales out and then maybe build a box beam a bit higher than the roof layer so it would have enough room to settle as the bales compressed or you could space the joist out the width of the bales so they lay between them, the silly thing is putting bales around a container is like a house inside a house and makes no sense
So unless you are building a bunker this is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. In fact even if you are, this would suck as a bunker.
greyvalentine 1 week ago
Cool video:)!
Do you know if one can use roof tiles to capure rainwater for drinking?
bmxion 2 weeks ago
@bmxion ceramic tiles yes, slate tiles yes, metal tiles yes, asphalt composite shingles FUCK NO!!!!!
TheDudeRulez09 2 weeks ago
Hi. I'm Albert, and I'm interested in knowing more about this. :) I have a school competition and I think there might be something in this to a sustainable solution to housing? Thanks!
albertjgo 3 weeks ago
Windows, plumbing, electric, floor insulation etc etc...
sutherlandjoan 3 weeks ago
I would have thought that you'd plaster the straw bales right after they're up. A little roof overhang isn't going to keep them dry if the wind comes from that side...and wet straw is game over for the house...
sutherlandjoan 3 weeks ago
Good music good vid good design, but what about windows?
jvaughn090284 1 month ago
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Great idea, could you send me the plans you have?
juanquiqote 1 month ago
where are the windows?It's a furnace? :D
carlobocchioart 1 month ago
couldn't you do like you said and avoid the extra cost of the two shipping containers and save yourself and extra 4 grand... yes structure wise it would be sound,but it has all ready be proven that a stray house can take a earthquake.
dawgofwar71 1 month ago
@dawgofwar71 exactly!!
TheDudeRulez09 1 month ago
Great idea, could you send me the plans you have?
dragonmike42 1 month ago
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dragonmike42 1 month ago
this is agreat idea, but what about for cold climates? insulating the floor and roof and more windows. i`ve been told that u can`t just use any type of straw as well, do u know anything of this?
dexterquincy1 1 month ago
@dexterquincy1 wheat straw, rice straw is fine for building purposes, yes you could do the floor and attic with it as well
TheDudeRulez09 1 month ago
Anyone know the name of this song?- Looked at a few Paco De Lucia vids, nothing remotely akin to this.
mjkmojofool 1 month ago
@mjkmojofool yeah its no longer Paco, the youtube fucktards took it off after I originally added this, this is 7 stones I believe.
TheDudeRulez09 1 month ago
Still a very genius idea
solittudes 1 month ago
Ha Ha,don't forget to ad roof vents and insulation lots of it in the roof,with a vapor barrier or you will be toasted in the summer.
solittudes 1 month ago
I like this! The R-Factor insulation must be extremely high. You have given me an idea to build this underground. The bales of hay will eventually break down over the years and still provide a cushion against the pressure of the dirt against the walls. The top could be concreted to prevent collapse. Got to think about this one....
martiwf0 1 month ago
@martiwf0 the bales alone have a rating of 30-50 depending on the compaction of the bales, if you can friend a baler he can custom set compaction as he is baling to what you need.
TheDudeRulez09 1 month ago
How do you ride out of condensation inside the walls?..you need to find a way to ventilate the wall construction or you´ll have a lot of moist as soon you start using the house..
pmo1971 1 month ago
@pmo1971 straw bales should always be covered with an earthen plaster that allows the wall to breath thus no moisture is condensed on the walls, if you are concerned about between the bale wall and the container I would add a sheet of tyvek or similar..
TheDudeRulez09 1 month ago
Where is foor and roof insulation?Front should be insulated aswell. It needs more windows. Cutting hole in container roof and using loft could make this "house" comfy for small family.
Someone suggested straw insulation inside, I think it will be always damp and it is too much risk
erenhardt 2 months ago
@erenhardt i agree about the windows, using straw inside a 8 ft wide container will immediately kill 18-24 inches of valuable space....
TheDudeRulez09 1 month ago
Nice Video..... Very Annoying Music !
jp3eku 2 months ago 7
@jp3eku agreed
TheDudeRulez09 2 months ago
@jp3eku HA! I just turned down the volume before scrolling down here. Actually, it's not that bad, just not the place for it.
DontFriendInviteMe 2 months ago
don't forget ventilation. It'll get moist and stale in there quickly if people live in there.
jeremiahsineiii 2 months ago
Bad Design. No insulation on the inside means you sound and feel like you are in a steel box. roflmao! Every spent time in a steel box? Go try it before you ask others to.
parasitesarefunny 2 months ago
@parasitesarefunny well thank you for your input, I dare ask what was the name of the prison you where in that had the steel box, why is it that all these people can come on here and tell me this or that but have no fucking experience in doing this type of building at all? I have been building homes for 25 years, natural and green homes for the past 4 years, I am pretty sure I have paid my dues to know this shit... thank you come again...
TheDudeRulez09 2 months ago
@TheDudeRulez09
Never been in jail, only been a war criminal with the USMC. If you have been building homes for 25 years then you should know that living in a steel box with no interior insulation is just plain funny, which is why you did not or could not address my comment. Green homes? Don't make me laugh. Kind of how fiberglass insulation is labelled "Green" if it does not contain formaldehyde.... ROFLMAO! An overbuilt thick steel box is not "Green" either, just funny.
parasitesarefunny 2 months ago
@parasitesarefunny of course the steel container is not the green aspect dude, its the reuse of a watse item which the container becomes, I do not use anything with chemicals in the homes I build but how can that compete with a guy thats a trained killer? hmmm the world just shuddered...
TheDudeRulez09 2 months ago
@TheDudeRulez09
Steel is recyclable. Over-building a structure is a waste of material no matter where the material comes from. Living in a steel box is not good. Chemicals? Yes, that is why I think GREEN fiberglass insulation is funny! Just because they took out 1 chemical they call it GREEN. ROFLMAO! Then again, they can call it GREEN just because it insulates. LOL! Propaganda is hilarious!
Good try but your steel box is still funny.
parasitesarefunny 2 months ago
@parasitesarefunny do you know how much it would cost the shipping companies to recycle a container? they wont, it is cheaper for them to have a new container shipped from over seas then reuse one, you need to learn some facts about things you spout off about, and what the fuck does green fiberglass insulation have to do with me? I don't use and would never again. Your have nothing to offer here but stupidity, at least offer something solid and useful...
TheDudeRulez09 2 months ago
@TheDudeRulez09
I understand drugs are a problem in the construction industry but you can do better. Green fiberglass has nothing to do with you, other than showing the stupidity of calling some things "GREEN". Face it buddy, your steel box is an over built waste of good metal and a horrible design.
I will repeat:
Bad Design. No insulation on the inside means you sound and feel like you are in a steel box. roflmao!
parasitesarefunny 2 months ago
@parasitesarefunny Seriously, stop crying.
This man has an entire channel full of nice ideas and designs.
It's not only More green than normal buildings, its also low budget, wich is a big deal.
Id rather live in his house than in no house at all, wich is the case for ALLOT of people these days.
If you see flaws, try to be productive & seek a solution and THEN respond to this video. Instead of just trying to break the video down (You're failing to do this btw.)
Nice vid dude
qsdfqsdfqsdfq 2 months ago
@qsdfqsdfqsdfq
No crying here, the only home I am addressing is this home I have commented on. Do YOU actually think living in a steel box without insulation on the inside is good? roflmao! Seriously, think before you respond. The only one doing the cursing and name calling is the guy who wants some dupe to live in a steel box.
parasitesarefunny 2 months ago
@parasitesarefunny funny thing is that there are many hundreds of videos here of container homes some just the container spruced up, go fuck with them, it doesnt matter which side the insulation is on inside or out. now go kill a village of brown people or something..
TheDudeRulez09 2 months ago
@TheDudeRulez09
You think I support the military and our war crimes? You are too funny. Let me guess... with all your so-called building experience you probably swallow the Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory. roflmao! As if damage to the top of a steel building can then demolish the entire building. lol!
Now you say it does not matter what side of the steel box the insulation is on? roflmao! And you call yourself a builder? lol. Come on buddy, this is getting too funny.
parasitesarefunny 2 months ago
@parasitesarefunny now who is assuming?
TheDudeRulez09 2 months ago
@TheDudeRulez09
Absolutely nothing wrong with assuming your ignorance about 9/11, especially when you cannot seem to understand simple steel boxes and insulation. I'll give you a big cheer if you can actually understand what happened on 9/11. Good for you if you can see through that bullshit. Then again, going a bit deeper to understand WHO was behind the 9/11 demolition might be a stretch for you, especially if you dont know anything about WWII or the lies behind that.
parasitesarefunny 2 months ago
wtf take out the music
atnipjoe 3 months ago 2
why is it called the real way, when it is animated?
braddaniels99 4 months ago 2
Please send plans to armydad0621@yahoo.com
MrArmydad0621 4 months ago
i think you just suck_
P.s.: HAHA get it?
you wasted my time -_____-
PogoMcHe6ec 5 months ago
@PogoMcHe6ec i did no such thing, you chose to be here and watch so accept the responsibility of your own actions and be a better person.
TheDudeRulez09 5 months ago 5
Tyvek on the outside of the steel in not needed. On the outside of the straw is where you want an outer vapor barrier. Needs interior vapor barrier as well. No floor or attic insulation shown? No interior wall insulation is needed as that's what the straw is supposed to do? No vents shown for walls or attic? Major condensation will cause straw to rot and mildew/fungus to grow. Needs termite barrier under plywood outerwalls otherwise they will love the straw house you made for them.
demosthenses2011 5 months ago
@demosthenses2011 Do you build with strawbale? this needs no vapor barrier anywhere, the reason I used the tyvek was to keep the condensation from the steel of the container away from the bale. Doesn't need termite barrier.
TheDudeRulez09 5 months ago
What condensation from the steel? The point of condensation in a wall
is where moisture from the warm interior reaches the dewpoint as it diffuses through
the wall. In this case, the steel will prevent any moisture migration from inside.
In any case, Tyvek would not keep any moisture away from the bales - it's primary function
is to slow air migration through a stick-frame wall.
I don't see the point of insulating only 2 of the 6 surfaces.
the 2x4 boxes won't support the bales
kurtklingbeil 4 months ago
@kurtklingbeil whatever man
TheDudeRulez09 4 months ago
why use the caontainer at all? just use straw bale. also, the tyvek is not sustainable and you dont need the chicken wire. not impressed.
futuristcaroline 5 months ago
@futuristcaroline boy am I glad I wasn't hanging on whether your impressed or not!!! Just think of the heart break I would have had, had I done so..........
TheDudeRulez09 5 months ago
@TheDudeRulez09 Thanks for the video. It's a great concept piece. I am sure with some ingenuity and planning this idea can be adapted and refined to create very efficient and pleasing homes.
I am amazed how many people just don't get what you are doing with this video. Your comments very clearly state that this is not something you would build for various reasons. But I guess to some people it's easier to comment without reading anything first.
kingsnoofer 5 months ago
who care's
dj2fine1000 5 months ago
@dj2fine1000 exactly, thank you for coming to my video and posting a comment and .......caring.....
TheDudeRulez09 5 months ago 2
@dj2fine1000 Obviously you cared enough to visit and comment.
kingsnoofer 5 months ago
@kingsnoofer...lol an who are you again
dj2fine1000 5 months ago
@dj2fine1000 I'm Batman!
kingsnoofer 5 months ago
@kingsnoofer .. omg really? well you have fun with that then
dj2fine1000 5 months ago
I can dig it!
Taketheride23 6 months ago
covering container with tyvek?!?!?! WHY? RUOK?
pleasanthacking 6 months ago
@pleasanthacking RU?
TheDudeRulez09 6 months ago
@TheDudeRulez09 i think so, because i wanna get refrigerated shipping container and add window or two to it just like those guys did watch?v=csNeFYs8qpg . no need to overcomplicate stuff, and R50 thermal insulation is in place. 1700$ for the container, what else can one want...
pleasanthacking 6 months ago
@pleasanthacking Am I wrong to think that the insulated containers aren't constructed as well as the plain steel ones?
sgtpepper1138 5 months ago
@sgtpepper1138 no idea. i think they have vaccum+glasswool based insulation pads, and as a container they must adhere to some standards for their strength and durability so shipping firms would have them onboard and deal with them in first place. i think if any different they might be better built than regular ones
pleasanthacking 5 months ago
if any different they might be stronger. i think i heard about some stardards that containers must follow in order to be taken onboard the ship. noone wants something to break onboard and make a mess and damage other stuff. and if lucky you can have vaccuum+glasswool based insulation, so no fumes from foams :)
pleasanthacking 5 months ago
@pleasanthacking i plan to buy refrigerated shipping container for 1700$ which has R50 insulation built in...
pleasanthacking 6 months ago
Anyone can "show" how it could be done. Why don't you show how you did it?
cabritorsss 6 months ago
@cabritorsss ah my young friend I could say that anyone can "make a comment", but why dont you read the comments?
TheDudeRulez09 6 months ago
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jamestargetedindiv 6 months ago
You forgot to insulate the roof...
Rindpand 6 months ago
I like it, think it'd be possible to build an apartment complex w/ these? How could you keep them even cooler inside.. do you think it'd be fine to place them halfway-up inside the ground? it would be great insulation.. lol.
takethepowerback83 6 months ago
Nice idea, but would it help to insulate the floor as some people insulate their crawl space? And I feel a single sloped roof would be better for solar panels or rain capture if angled to the south.
dick117 7 months ago
allright! yeah! finally, we can solve our housing market problem AND our trade imbalance with China in one fell swoop!
1978atcarroll 7 months ago
using food to make fuel, insulation, etc....rather than feed ourselves/livestock? That's a hard sell (especially in a drought!) Not to mention that insulation thats 1/8th the weight and thickness with 4 times the R-rating is cheaper (and easier to install/maintain).....not so sure.........hmmmmm.......
f1471in3r 7 months ago
@f1471in3r no...you are thinking of HAY, which is dried GRASS and yes is food for livestock. This method uses STRAW, which is the dried stalks of grains like oats or wheat, there is NO nutritional value in straw. However since the stalks are hollow (unlike grass stems), straw has great insulation value.
BarefootinMN 7 months ago
@BarefootinMN Awesome! Thanx for clarifying. Since air (trapped pockets there of) is what makes good insulation, I can see how that would prove very effective! Plus there is the added benefit of using the entire plant rather than discarding the stalks after harvesting the grain. That's pretty cool. Do you have any problems with mold or mildew?
f1471in3r 7 months ago
can u tell me using which software u explained this ?
akrithy 7 months ago
@akrithy Google Sketchup, its a free program!
TheDudeRulez09 7 months ago
@TheDudeRulez09 thanks dude !!!!!
akrithy 7 months ago
i had to stop seeing the vid because of your gay music!!!
hitmeup44 7 months ago
@hitmeup44 ok......
TheDudeRulez09 7 months ago
@hitmeup44 If you hover your cursor over the video there is a tool bar at the bottom where you can turn the volume of the music down, even mute it if you so desire. A little free piece of information from me to you.
michaelriver23 7 months ago
@hitmeup44 You see that little speaker icon to the right of the Play/Pause control? If you click it, you'll see an x next to it, and the music will stop. I did that so I could watch through to the end. I also could have just muted my speakers, but this way I could listen to something else while watching this.
SumErgoMonstro 7 months ago
so be real...how much can a person buy them shipping conatiners for here in Texas if they move them theirselves?
waterwart 7 months ago
@waterwart A little quick look around online shows that you can get a standard 20' container for around$1000 and a long 40' container for $2000. Many places even offer to deliver with crane for placement (for example, within 160 miles of Houston for $140. Remember, one 20' container is 160 sq.ft. of space (a 40' is double, 320 sq.ft.)
TheRealXesc 7 months ago
@TheRealXesc I don't know where you have been lookin...but every I have looked they were wanting upwards of 4000 for a 40 footer and 2500 up for a 20 footer. Houston is a few hours drive from here...I am thinking the price would be differant is a person were able to go buy them direct, but I bet it is an auction type deal or something,and for so many at atime. Which in my case wouldn't be worth it as I only need 4 to 8 of them.
waterwart 7 months ago
@waterwart Check the PM I sent you :)
TheRealXesc 7 months ago
It looked better with the shipping containers themselves, IMO. Just spray foam the inside and use metal studs.
borger4902 7 months ago
@borger4902 AGREED!!!!!
TheDudeRulez09 7 months ago
I was really diggin' the music then your message popped up.
anyonefindAMERICA1 7 months ago
@anyonefindAMERICA1 what message is that?
TheDudeRulez09 7 months ago
@anyonefindAMERICA1 haha never mind!! I got it, sorry kinda slow today!
TheDudeRulez09 7 months ago
@TheDudeRulez09 Did you ever build this?
anyonefindAMERICA1 7 months ago
The "Toe-Ups" would make better sense if it were flipped with the blocking facing downward that way if something leaks between the juncture of straw and Toe-Up it doesn't fucntion like basins . Further, I would probably flash over the Toe-Up under the straw including a outward diversion bend (much like the center diversion bend used in exposed valley metal in shingle or slate roofing). I don't think the 2 x's alone are strong enough for the spans of the Toe-Up between the pier footings.
Cynthia5314 8 months ago
@Cynthia5314 the toe ups are filled with pea gravel to allow any moisture to run out of the bale wall, there are weep holes in the bottom of the toe ups, a flashing would seal and not allow this to happen, this is not a conventional home, therefore conventional thought processes will not work. Btw I have 24 years of residential home building as my background and understand why you suggested this but it wont work that way!
TheDudeRulez09 8 months ago
@Cynthia5314 also if you pay attention to the video the toe-ups are 2x8 or greater.
TheDudeRulez09 8 months ago
@TheDudeRulez09 Right, doubling the 2 x's would cause it to function more like a girder (or header) to bridge the span.
Cynthia5314 8 months ago
@Cynthia5314 you are correct...
TheDudeRulez09 8 months ago
@TheDudeRulez09 I like your idea. I'm currently looking myself at building a garage outbuilding using shipping containers. The part I'm struggling with isn't the basic build, but the structural calcs with relation to joining two containers together, and cutting a large chunk of metal out of them to create one contiguous room.
lewisbrand 8 months ago
@lewisbrand as long as the top seam of the containers is welded together then there is no issue with the container sagging in the middle if this is what you are referring to, typically there is a gap of about 2" and it will need to be spanned by a piece of steel lengthwise. If you still feel that the container might be weakened to the point of sag, then temporary legs can be used to support the roof of both containers. Then once the cuts are complete, trim and set post if desired as necessary.
TheDudeRulez09 8 months ago
Music stinks!
r0902716 8 months ago 6
@r0902716 yeah its youtube what do you expect?
TheDudeRulez09 8 months ago
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Your music sucks!!!
rsc98584 8 months ago
If people are asking for plans, duh, i mean with a bit of practical intuition you can figure it out by yourself x)
Rhinoch8 8 months ago 2
@Rhinoch8 thank you!! while that is true on a base level, there are those that arent inclined to understand such things, so I like to help.
TheDudeRulez09 8 months ago
wow..I WANT ONE!!!! AWSOME!!!!!!!:}XXOO
artistofdayear 9 months ago 2
@artistofdayear please send $1,000,000 to my PayPal account and I will be on my to build you one, but I might get sidetracked in South America for a couple years.....
TheDudeRulez09 9 months ago
Yo...what about windows!.....and even though it is practical.....it's ugly
littleoak13 9 months ago
@littleoak13 very true, to add a window you always want to add it to the top of a bale, for instance you d 2 rows of bales and build whats called a buck, which is basically a box the window is mounted in, this sets ontop =of the 2nd row of bales then the container can be cut to correspond with that buck, windows and door dont need a full header or lentil over them as the box beam carries the load of the roof.
TheDudeRulez09 9 months ago
@littleoak13 you want pritty, make it, if you can afford, don't look a this, this is not for you.
tekknorat 9 months ago
Thumbs up, thanks for posting. But how do you intend to insulate the floor and roof (sorry don't want to be a kill joy)? I guess you could cut a hole in the roof and get into the crawl space, probably have to do this for services anyway, or place bales as insulation in the roof scape after the rafters go up. So the roof is not a major headache. I would be interested to hear any ideas on insulating the floor.
IrlDave71 9 months ago
@IrlDave71 I wouldn't build this this personally, it would be better to just do a container home or a straw bale, BUT...............if for some weird ass reason I got a wild hair up my butt then............ since containers are 9' in hight I would frame out a raised floor inside and insulate with recycled jeans or cellulose insulation and then deck it.
TheDudeRulez09 9 months ago
height..... misspelled there!!! and the attic would be full bales between trusses.
TheDudeRulez09 9 months ago
@IrlDave71 You elevate the containers, make a hollow floor and place the strawbales. When dealing with floor insulation, you are bound to have "thermical bridges". Nothing complicated....
Rhinoch8 8 months ago
Thanks for sharing!
OpenWorldCafe 9 months ago
i like the info in the video....the music not soo much !...peace
seahorsecowboys 9 months ago
you're missing windows :)
stoki13 10 months ago
Freaking awesome idea dude. I had plans on building a container house, then flipped to straw bale, then back to container (it never occurred to me to combine the idea) ...what do you think about welding pins to the side of the container, you could slide the bales onto the pins (more like wire) ...then use this to secure the chicken wire on the outer side... just a thought - that way your entire bale wall becomes secured to the container.
shanemacc 10 months ago
@shanemacc with this design not being load bearing I don't see why you couldn't do that, the straw would act as insulation alone and not be structural. Remember if you can coat the pins with something like maybe tar or similar to prevent the pins from dripping moisture from condensation and destroying the bales. Condensation from metal in the bales is the main issue with using metals, as you could imagine.
TheDudeRulez09 10 months ago
I am glad people are considering using containers as homes and in cold climates straw bales would be a good way to insulate. You did not need to run down my work which you obviously copied to stroke your ego and make a few bucks from your google adds.
By the way my new book will be out in April 2011. It is almost 400 pages full of plans including straw bale homes and off grid cabins and sells for $10. That is 15 years of work and sweat!
solarcabin 11 months ago
@solarcabin 15 years of other peoples work, I have seen all that you have done man you showed me all your work and NOT ONE of them was strawbale or anything besides your tiny solar shed!! you can play it up all you want to the masses, I have no adsense adz, are my video on Google adsense sure, and I make about 100 bucks every 3-4 months, how much do you make on all your plagiarized info on "your" PDF, nice plug BTW I didn't expect less from you, you have to live with your bullshit , I dont!
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
@solarcabin I teach workshops were people come to my land and learn hands on, I go to different states to build homes and help build eco-villages, I build homes for people that need homes, I am headed to Pine Ridge Sioux Reservation in July to build a family a home that needs one, what do you do? sing your songs and plagiarize people work, excellent!! rock on Solarcabin dude Rock on!!
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
@TheDudeRulez09
You are just angry because I pulled your covers for trying to sell your BS land scams in my groups.
SHOW US YOUR CONTAINER AND STRAW HOMES AND OFF GRID HOMES!
If my books are as bad as you say why have I sold over 10,000 copies and have hundreds of positive professional reviews ?
Like I said: I don't mind you copying my designs and trying to improve on them but don't run down the people who's designs you copied!
solarcabin 11 months ago
@solarcabin HAHA bs land scams!!! prove it!! as for the reason why your PDF has sold is people don't know you are scamming them!! simple as that, THIS IS NOT YOUR DESIGN!! you CANNOT OWN a design like this!! it is impossible!! shows how much you know, and improving on it? you bet your ass i did improved it from you not knowing shit and possibly causing a disaster if someone did it to showing the right way to do it and NOT have a disaster!! yeah improvement!!! HAHA!
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
Show us these container and straw bail homes you have built or any off grid solar home ?
You can't because you have never built one!
All you did is is copied my design and tried to add in a foundation platform that would end up trapping in moisture that would rot the straw bales.
I provided the idea so people could expand on it and improve on it and you should stop being jealous of my work. I have over 500,000 video views and have sold over 10,000 books.
solarcabin 11 months ago
@solarcabin I have built communities Solarcabin scammer!!
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
@TheDudeRulez09
Still waiting- show us these container and straw homes and off grid homes YOU have built ?
You can't because you are just a scammer that I caught trying to sell phony land deals.
Show us these COMMUNITIES you have built!
solarcabin 11 months ago
@solarcabin anyone that goes to my website is welcome to see the gallery where some of my work is featured
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
and a PDF is not a "book"
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
@solarcabin mines bigger than yours.
Mojave706 11 months ago
The average straw bale (dry) weights 50-60 pounds
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
Shipping containers are made insanely strong, a 40' container can extend almost half of its length out into space without ANY extra reinforcement and still support an massive amount of cargo! The formed steel frame of the container is made to withstand being completely packed with goods and lifted via crane in only 2 points on the top and still remain structurally intact! just a bit of container fact!
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
Your plans are free because they are crap!
You have obviously never built with containers or straw . The container will buckle with out a continuous footer and so will your straw wall support. You created a vapor lock in the straw wall that will rot the straw.
Don't pretend to be a builder and don't even give away these plans!
solarcabin 11 months ago
@solarcabin am man I figured you would post here sooner or later, please take you shitty solar cabin that looks like a shed and go elsewhere, you have no idea of anything you talk about dealing with natural build or conventional building for that matter, go sell you shit pdf to the dumb asses that are conned into buying them.
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
@solarcabin I have been building conventional homes for 24 years and natural material homes for the past 4, you are a crappy electrician this a shed that looks like a home depot special and harbor freight PV panels, I did have respect for you until you started telling people that they can drink water from a fiberglass shingled roof, then when I corrected you , you told me you needed to sell them your PDF to make a living!! HA!!! you are a fraud solarcabin dude!!
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
@solarcabin sure some of the things in your PDF are awesome but those things are other peoples ideas you took and added to your PDF, way to go!! make money off of other peoples ideas!! I guess that's the American way isn't it? stick to singing your songs man you are WAY better at that than building!!
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
@solarcabin and I wont even block you like you did me, I will let you say what ever you want!! then I will give you the facts!
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
Hey this looks interesting. I'm actually looking at straw bale with disused shipping containers for a design scheme for flats. Would be nice to see some plans that you've got.
aboagye121 11 months ago
@aboagye121 I dont have any incorporating a container.
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
I've see two of these in person. I like the basic concept, but it doesn't seem too realistic for many reasons.
Regarding your project above, what about the floor, ceiling, and end wall insulation??
EcoCraigLEED 11 months ago
@EcoCraigLEED as I have stated before i would NEVER build this, way too many possible disasters waiting to happen, can it be done? of course, but the costs would make this not worth it.
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
never use treated wood shakes eather to colect drinking watter. ore you get arsinic and other bad shit in your watter.
BoomStickSgt 1 year ago
@BoomStickSgt excellent point BSS!!! thanks for the post!
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
@TheDudeRulez09 np man i am a plummer and electrisian and i started as a fraimer. i know a thing or two on building, i am verry interested in designs that arnt commenly used.
thanks for posting the vid
BoomStickSgt 10 months ago
Great video. Well constructed. Wondered about the gap between the container and the ground in the front facing visualization. Also wondered if you like to put something under the containers (I saw you used crushed stone in one picture but it wasn't for a container construction) to keep flooring warm in cold seasons.
Also, do/did you weld the containers together?
walktothebeach 1 year ago
@walktothebeach I haven't built this, and would not build this. If you want to build this yourself then I would be glad to work with you on the design in more detail as to "IF" and thats a monstrous "IF" I were to build it. As for the front of gap anything will work after all it needs to have a breezeway just like any other pier and beam structure, so your choice of lathe or other decorative material.
Insulation would be done interior!! typical containers are 9' ceilings so you could (con't)
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
build up a framed floor and either use a expanding foam (I would recommend soy based foam) or recycled jean insulation, with typical plywood or dimensional lumber, you could do radiant flooring. Its very easy to find house that need to be demo'd and I typically tell the home owner if he provides a garbage bin then all the stuff we don't want will be put in it, that and a little bit of cash to cover expenses will save them tins of money and you get tons of reusable lumber, windows, doors, etc..
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
you could set these containers on a concrete pad, be we are trying hard to cut the use of concrete to absolute minimum, but if you were to set them on a pad then you would form a ledge for the straw bale just like you would a brick ledge, with weep holes, then toe ups on top of the ledge, pea gravel in the toes ups then paper and bales and so on.
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
Yeah, out in Hempstead area, right? I just posted another of your workshops to our calendar recently I think - calendar dot sustainable sources dot com.
Yes, I did read all the posts before chiming in, and I think we're on the same page.
ricsternberg 1 year ago
@ricsternberg yes sir!!
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
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One thing I'd be concerned about is the potential for air gaps/thermal chimneys between the container (which typically isn't flat) and the bales. Not only would those be an open invitation for nesting critters, but it can also be a fire hazard - in fact, a fair number of the (relatively few) straw bale home fires were due to just such a pathway where fire can spread quickly. Granted, it would 'only' be the exterior of the house that would be directly burnt. One possible solution...(continued
billc108 1 year ago
One thing I'd be concerned about is the potential for air gaps/thermal chimneys between the container (which typically isn't flat) and the bales. Not only would those be an open invitation for nesting critters, but it can also be a fire hazard - in fact, a fair number of the (relatively few) straw bale home fires were due to just such a pathway where fire can spread quickly. Granted, it would 'only' be the exterior of the house that would be directly burnt. One possible solution...(continued)
billc108 1 year ago
@billc108 would be to incorporate a clay plaster between the bales and steel/tyvek. It'd probably be a bit of a job working it in there, though. Also, be sure to include a firestop (double thickness of sheetrock will probably do) between the bales and your box beam, or a fire could quickly spread right into your roof structure.
I hate to say it, but it seems to me that if you're going to go to all the work of building an exterior bale wrap, why include the containers at all? (continued)
billc108 1 year ago
@billc108 ...the container restricts the size and shape of the structure, a pure loadbearing bale wall is structurally sound, fire resistant (2-hr ASTM rating w/cement plaster, 1-hr w/earthen plaster), can vary in shape/size, and IMHO is more aesthetically pleasing.
I'm not anti-container, I've seen some good work done with them. I just wonder if it really makes sense to combine straw and containers in this way.
billc108 1 year ago
@billc108 exactly!! if you read my posts you will see that I agree with what you are saying, i build strawbale and cob homes here in Texas, there was a person that posted a video here on youtube that told people to build in a way that would have guaranteed a disastrous end, so I posted this just to make sure that if someone built one of these they did it to the best methods that would ensure its life span.
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
@billc108 see post below..... if you ever want to get some hands on and see what they really can do drop me and email and you are more than welcome to come out.
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
@billc108 I have has a stack of 400 bales under tarp for 6 months on top of pallets to keep them off the ground, THERE ARE NO CRITTERS!! BALES DO NOT BURN they smolder, we in the natural building movement have done extensive tests in accredited institutes to test the fire rating of straw bales and they blow even 1 hour (which is the standard) fire board away.
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
Just curios but, wouldn't be more cost effective to use ceramic pain on the exterior and blown newspaper on the interior? Just a question........
claytoons 1 year ago
@claytoons i am not sure what ceramic pain is, do you mean paint? sure why not if so, as I have stated before i would never do this to a container personally.
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
the front of the "construction" is not insulated, the cold air from outside will come inside via the iron of the container. wich results in condens water on the inside wall and glass. also, the strawbales can be compressed, while stacking them, with a strap. put vertical metal pins (about 1.5m) into the bales to connect all the bales wich makes it much more stronger and you wont have to worry that the roof will hang if the bales shrink in summer.
profet1001 1 year ago
@profet1001 I am very aware of how to do strawbale, thanks for your input, the front of the containers is insulated with standard blown in insulation, if you read below you will see why I posted this video.
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
@TheDudeRulez09 And why not put strawbales on top of the container?
profet1001 1 year ago
@profet1001 I guess you could but you would have to take into account the rate of compaction of a single flat layer of bales as opposed to a stacked layer, if you were to lay the bales out and then maybe build a box beam a bit higher than the roof layer so it would have enough room to settle as the bales compressed or you could space the joist out the width of the bales so they lay between them, the silly thing is putting bales around a container is like a house inside a house and makes no sense
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
@profet1001 also NEVER put metal anything inside a bale wall, you think the condensation on the container walls will be bad.......
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago