Anarchist Group At The University of West Florida

[ma6743]

who wants to go to "Last Resort University" anyway? I hear that 's what a lot of Pensacolians call this college.

[IndividualAutonomy]

Ha! I have never heard that before. It depends what you want to major in which will decide how relevant your college choice should be. For the College of business, the University is accredited and for accounting that is all that really matters (and of course your GPA). UWF is cheaper than most Universities in Florida but it has nice dorms, smaller classes, and overall excellent professors. Why pay more for the same or worse service?

[Wescoat89]

@IndividualAutonomy UWF has one of the MOST expensive tuition rates in Florida as of 2010.

[NoGuff]

Anarchists are like Communists, only dumber.

[IndividualAutonomy]

LOL! Well yeah many anarchists are communists. Communism is suppose to not have a state. The people in this clip on the stage are all anarcho communists. The only difference is that they do not want to have a "dictatorship of the proletariat" before you get rid of the state However, I am not a communist anarchist.

[StatelessCapitalist]

I live in Pensacola and I missed this. :(

[buddhagem]

Overmind? Is that you?

[IndividualAutonomy]

Ah sorry I haven't checked this page in awhile. Yeah I am holding the video device.

[priapus512]

Looked and sounded more like Communists.

[IndividualAutonomy]

Most anarchist branches have overlaps with communism but reject the dictatorship of the proletariat. Individualist anarchism however, has few to no overlaps with communism.

[tumbleweedjoe]

I don't see what's so great about this. As far as I can tell these people are anarcho-communists, which does not make them my allies. Not by a long shot. Any kind of collectivism is statism, and that includes "anarchist" collectivism. This is sort of thing is the reason I dislike terms like "anarchist" or "anti-authoritarian" as labels for emergentism. Its clear that the speaker is an economic illiterate.

[GuardofLiberty]

Have you introduced some market anarchist literature, from the likes of Rothbard and Konkin? Or Mutualist literature from Proudhon?

I think you should get the dialogue going between individualist and collectivist anarchism. Most of those folks seem like collectivists (correct me if I'm wrong).

[IndividualAutonomy]

Yeah I actually didn't record very much yesterday but we had a long discussion. I brought up Rothbard, market anarchism, and mutualism. The other guy who was with me was a individualist anarchist and so was another guy there.

[GuardofLiberty]

What was that like? Did they straw man you and say you support a world run by corporations?

[IndividualAutonomy]

They actually were pretty considerate while they brought up valid criticisms and were friendly when we clarified our positions, something many youtube synds. don't do. I will try to record more at the next Monday meeting.

[billyjoeallen]

anarcho-communists know shit about economics. They want what never was and never will be.

[tumbleweedjoe]

Well said. Annoying crybabies, that's all they are.

[IndividualAutonomy]

The few parts that I videotaped were them just trying to get people to come over by being controversial and slightly obnoxious  When people came by they were receptive and logical at least the amount of time I was there.

[oiuoiu988]

all communists are believers in the original conspiracy theory. the moronic theory that your boss is collecting your surplus labor by not just handing his factory over to its workers... fucking idiots.

[IndividualAutonomy]

Yes some of them have what I would view as simplistic basis like that but many anarcho coms. have more to their reasons than just that. How the accumulation of the wealth happened to build that factory and the effects of its distribution are part of many of their concerns as well.

[oiuoiu988]

the way i see it, i described the way people "originally" saw it and you just described some of their justifications in an attempt to legitimize their fallacious theory. but if you disagree i'd like to hear why...

[IndividualAutonomy]

I don't prefer their idea of property. I am more for the homesteading principle. However, I think you are being insincere with your disagreement. How the wealth that today's bosses have acquired to open up a factory is extremely important, even for most market anarchists (like Rothbard) and the fear of exclusion from non collectivized centers that have needs of survival like water and other scarce natural resources to me is legitimate though I do not agree with all of their solutions.

[oiuoiu988]

so how do you think im being insincere?

[oiuoiu988]

which disagreement? did you mean my position?

[IndividualAutonomy]

If you mean by your position your criticism and analysis of them then yes. If you mean support for individualist anarchism then no.

[oiuoiu988]

how do you think i was being insincere?

[IndividualAutonomy]

It is in my two previous comments.

[oiuoiu988]

no its not, i'm left guessing at how you think i was being insincere? do you think i was making some sort of joke? i can assure you that i am sincere. unless theres something i missed. which is why im asking.

[IndividualAutonomy]

No, you were oversimplifying and dismissing a strawman of their position.

[oiuoiu988]

haha well i was definately sincere. dismissing a strawman of their position? are you kidding? start making sense or im out of this one dude....

kinda looks like you were saying you didnt agree but trying to make it appear that i didnt agree even with myself. what i said is the truth though, its the worlds oldest and stupidest conspiracy theory. i think all your doing is projecting legitimacy onto the idiotic justifications of, what intelligent people look at as history's longest running joke.

[IndividualAutonomy]

What you are doing is not understanding their arguments, but if you wish to just sweep them away and condense it to "a conspiracy" then go ahead. You have not reached the foundations of any of their arguments with what you have typed so far.

[oiuoiu988]

haha, really? what im doing is finding a root cause that happened way way way before any "foundations of their arguments" that you are referring to. but go ahead and fill me in on those foundations since im so darned cloooliss...

[IndividualAutonomy]

I don't think you are clueless. You are just ignoring their reasons (or maybe you don't know them) for why they support that.

[oiuoiu988]

well im trying to say that communism IS based on the original conspiracy theory and that the property redistribution thing came way way later than the original conspiracy theory. it started way before marx(not richard), marx (not richard) was just the 1st person to put it into a non-religous philosophy... im saying there were many before marx (not richard) and it can be traced back to the first 2 guys that ever had a discussion about how they were doing more work than their boss.

[IndividualAutonomy]

Yeah from the short clips I can see how you got that impression. However, they brought up reasons for their property ideas. I will try to film more next week and accually get the discussions on cam instead of the talking points on mic that they used to get people to come over.

[oiuoiu988]

lol,i got that from studying history and communism, i didnt come to that conclusion based on your videos of some college kids. i was a communist too when i was that age...

[IndividualAutonomy]

No, not that details of Richard and socialism before Marx. I am referring to your criticism of their idea as idiotic, and your comment not addressing the root of their criticisms (which you were not able to see). Not all people of any ideology have exactly the same concerns and reasons for their positions.

[oiuoiu988]

wow dude, keep tellin (putting something in parenthesis doesn't make it any more true)yourself that... the 1st sentance of this comment doesnt even make sense.

[IndividualAutonomy]

*not the details

I have no idea what your problem is. The fact is you were not able to view 95% of what they said. You don't know their reasons because you didn't speak to them and I didn't film that part. Your criticism does little justice to their position was the only point I was making. Most of the phrases shouted out on the mic were just to draw attention so people would come down to speak with them. They went into their reasoning once one went down to speak with them.

[oiuoiu988]

not the details of richard marx? im not gonna discuss the details of pop star richard marx's career. i thought he was terrible. but you keep failing to understand that my remarks about communism was not based on your video. and if you think these people at college are saying something new that hasnt been said before i would love to hear it.

[oiuoiu988]

and i would just like to add that there is no "justice" to their position. everyone thinks its a great idea to divide up "the" wealth when they are teenagers, some take longer to realize what a terrible idea that is than others. it doesnt ever surprise me that college professors are marxists, so it never surprises me when their students are.

[tumbleweedjoe]

IA-personally, I think its a lost cost worry about where the wealth came from...we could go back into history and find case after case of illegitimite wealth aquisition, and then that wealth being used to purchase products passed on through inheritance, but we'd never be able to sort it all out. It seems to me that anarchocomms obsess about this because they want to redistribute "the" wealthh (as my anarchosyndicalist friend Nicole used to say. She, the one without a job.)

[IndividualAutonomy]

I think it is very important (so did Rothbard). Any stolen wealth that can be proved to have been derived from aggression should be up for homesteading or redistributed. Otherwise you would have a very rigged illegitimate outcome when you entered anarchy.

[AAAV92]

Good to see the ideas of anarchism are getting more and more available.

[freethinker3161]

i have to learn more, i need to watch some of your old vids to find out more.

[TheNewMusicNetwork]

real anarchy is attacking people verbally and starting shit in public.

please follow my videos for how to's.

[eagleeye1975]

Does it bother you at all that you are using a taxpayer funded forum?

[billyjoeallen]

We are not. using a tax-funded forum. You tube is private. Cisco is private. My ISP is private.

[eagleeye1975]

Um... University of West Florida? Hello!

[IndividualAutonomy]

You live in the world that exisits, not the one that you want it to be. For there you try to make change.

[eagleeye1975]

Good point...

[IndividualAutonomy]

*From there

[oiuoiu988]

so why would it bother them anyway? if taxes are money stolen from the people, why would an anarchist not want to use it as a "forum"?

[thegrimlin93]

Haha silly anarcho-communists

[IndividualAutonomy]

Lies! They are not all anarcho commies! We had individuals anarchists! 12 to 5

[R0thbard]

Awesome

[asperin]

Fucking commies.

[Cefuroxx]

FUCK YEAH!

[Writer9107]

Certainly a step in the right direction, but to say "free trade is a contradiction" is incorrect, and this misconception is a tragedy. What should be said is "Capitalism is not free trade" or something along those lines (as what we have now, called capitalism, is actually corporatism/soft fascism, and erroneously called a free market). All this confusion is the result of the misuse of language, purposeful and accidental. In the end, economic organization is irrelevant.

[atripa645]

One other thing you might look at is how many people are as using the words "free trade" and "free market" as you see it incorrectly. Those words seem to have more meaning when used by the neo-right. To me this says a lot about the theory. Maybe a new phrase is needed to describe your idea of it.

[Writer9107]

Agreed. I like Mises' "human action", which is simple and sums up my "economic" views. Or perhaps another term is necessary after all... I don't know.

[IndividualAutonomy]

Yeah I didn't make the flyers. I just walked by after class and saw they had a demonstration. I wouldn't have chosen that phrase about free trade but they overall support our idea of it.

[Anon1696]

I currently has the Human Action PDF.

Going to read it soon.

But I'm a slow reader blah.

[smttysmth02gt]

Nice. I used to work right by PJC, which isn't too far away from UWF. I live about 45 min. from there.

[TheBigHo111]

*****

[RaymondDundas]

"Free trade is a contradiction"

You were at fault in not kicking their arses.

[IndividualAutonomy]

Ha there was more on that page then just that lol. They went into detail about why they thought so. It was more of a semantical problem though I did have disagreements overall with that page.

[roboticterror]

Nice to see there's some anarchist here in Florida.

[AFrightfulDream]

A bunch of fine rocks, I must say!

[daemonboi2]

Very cool.

[organdva]

Nice to see some action.

Keep it up.