so, wait, if they're saying this only works if done in conjunction with traditional therapies (and I'm going to assume 'traditional' is regular speech and occupational therapy [which worked for me without this new treatment]) then how the hell do they know it really works? this little contradiction makes me think these people are just trying to make a profit by tricking parents
ps: sorry--unclear. by "does this for a living," i mean Dr. Rossignol makes a profit from HBOT (specifically as a treatment for autism.). there's a conflict of interest in his research. also, it was published in a pay-to-publish journal. it was not peer-reviewed.
true, isn't it? people once swore by snake-oil as well. (hope is an easy sell--people see what they expect to see, IMO.) i've been looking for independent research that might indicate HBOT is effective for "treating" various components of autism. there just doesn't seem to be any.
HBOT is FDA-approved for treating altitude sickness. that's about it. (and i think the hard chamber is used, at a higher atmospheric pressure. soft chambers at low atmospheric pressure--they don't do much.
@CENTERFORHOPE again: i have come across the Rossignol study. Dr. Rossignol makes his living doing this--it's not an independent study and is subject to biases. (also: it isn't peer reviewed.)
apologies for the error re: FDA approval. but decompression sickness is still a far cry from autism. (also--isn't this treatment done in the hard HBOT chambers at much higher atmospheric pressure? the soft chambers don't seem to do much.)
A comprehensive plan relies on discovered causes of autism, so it treats the causes not the symptoms as it was previously done. This involves HBOT, detoxification using the DMCA and a proper diet. This treatment has proven to be successful for so many children, so what do you think would you have tried it if you had a child with autism, or you would have set around and wait for it to go away by itself? I guess that if I see that something doesnt work with my child I would discontinue using it.
i have a feeling that by "discovered causes" of autism, you mean environmental toxins. there's a whole industry growing up around this theory--but there isn't a whole of evidence to indicate it's true.
i hear there's some pretty interesting genetic research, though.
challenges can be addressed--and strengths nurtured, built upon using realistic resources. (please don't waste $ on this when realistic resources exist.)
ah. bing! all i needed was more oxygen! all social skills problems solved! (yes--i do get sarcasm.)
no. parents. evidence for the success of this is anecdotal at best. (IMO: it's the current version of snake-oil.) for realistic solutions to your childrens' challenges, please type "Temple Grandin" into the search box. solid advice from someone who is autistic. spend your money on real supports. Grandin may be able to offer ideas.
On the contrary - as a hyperbaric technician I have seen this therapy work with countless children living with autism - however the grandfather in this clip is correct, hyperbaric oxygen therapy is not the only answer but it is one part of a comprehensive treatment plan.
this perent's are not stupid, for someone to squeeze the money out of them. After a certain number of treatments, a SPECT scen is done to see if there are improvements or not. No one will contiue doing smth. that doesn't work for their child.
where is the problem, than?!? It's funny though, where did you get that number of 20K? btw other countries (rather than our own) sponsor or cosponsor these treatments, so the funds are not a problem! But I am glad that we agree that it works! :)
you sound so angry.....maybe you should redirect some of that anger, spend a couple of weeks at a hyperbaric oxygen therapy center that delivers 100% O2 to these kids and witness these "anectodes" for yourself.
@CENTERFORHOPE thank you for the third biggest laugh i've had all day. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
how about focusing on reasonable, reliable treatments for challenges? how about nurturing strengths? the notion that all i need is a little O2 seems a little quackish to me. sorry. but i would like to see some independent research.
so, wait, if they're saying this only works if done in conjunction with traditional therapies (and I'm going to assume 'traditional' is regular speech and occupational therapy [which worked for me without this new treatment]) then how the hell do they know it really works? this little contradiction makes me think these people are just trying to make a profit by tricking parents
asperger15 2 years ago
ps: sorry--unclear. by "does this for a living," i mean Dr. Rossignol makes a profit from HBOT (specifically as a treatment for autism.). there's a conflict of interest in his research. also, it was published in a pay-to-publish journal. it was not peer-reviewed.
bluebanshee3 2 years ago
ps: i'm AS/NLD--in other words, mildly autistic.
bluebanshee3 2 years ago
Yeah it works, you'll come to your senses in no time.
sisko7 2 years ago
true, isn't it? people once swore by snake-oil as well. (hope is an easy sell--people see what they expect to see, IMO.) i've been looking for independent research that might indicate HBOT is effective for "treating" various components of autism. there just doesn't seem to be any.
HBOT is FDA-approved for treating altitude sickness. that's about it. (and i think the hard chamber is used, at a higher atmospheric pressure. soft chambers at low atmospheric pressure--they don't do much.
bluebanshee3 2 years ago
actually, HBOT is FDA approved for decompression sickness (the bends) in a hard chamber not altitude sickness.
You may want to look up the studies completed by Dr. Harch and another by Dr. Rossignol on the effectiveness of HBOT
CENTERFORHOPE 2 years ago
@CENTERFORHOPE again: i have come across the Rossignol study. Dr. Rossignol makes his living doing this--it's not an independent study and is subject to biases. (also: it isn't peer reviewed.)
apologies for the error re: FDA approval. but decompression sickness is still a far cry from autism. (also--isn't this treatment done in the hard HBOT chambers at much higher atmospheric pressure? the soft chambers don't seem to do much.)
bluebanshee3 2 years ago
A comprehensive plan relies on discovered causes of autism, so it treats the causes not the symptoms as it was previously done. This involves HBOT, detoxification using the DMCA and a proper diet. This treatment has proven to be successful for so many children, so what do you think would you have tried it if you had a child with autism, or you would have set around and wait for it to go away by itself? I guess that if I see that something doesnt work with my child I would discontinue using it.
aleksandra5 2 years ago
good answer
CENTERFORHOPE 2 years ago
i have a feeling that by "discovered causes" of autism, you mean environmental toxins. there's a whole industry growing up around this theory--but there isn't a whole of evidence to indicate it's true.
i hear there's some pretty interesting genetic research, though.
challenges can be addressed--and strengths nurtured, built upon using realistic resources. (please don't waste $ on this when realistic resources exist.)
bluebanshee3 2 years ago
ah. bing! all i needed was more oxygen! all social skills problems solved! (yes--i do get sarcasm.)
no. parents. evidence for the success of this is anecdotal at best. (IMO: it's the current version of snake-oil.) for realistic solutions to your childrens' challenges, please type "Temple Grandin" into the search box. solid advice from someone who is autistic. spend your money on real supports. Grandin may be able to offer ideas.
bluebanshee3 2 years ago
On the contrary - as a hyperbaric technician I have seen this therapy work with countless children living with autism - however the grandfather in this clip is correct, hyperbaric oxygen therapy is not the only answer but it is one part of a comprehensive treatment plan.
o2plus 2 years ago
"part of a comprehensive treatment plan", so that's how you call squeezing money out of parents with autistic children.
sisko7 2 years ago
this perent's are not stupid, for someone to squeeze the money out of them. After a certain number of treatments, a SPECT scen is done to see if there are improvements or not. No one will contiue doing smth. that doesn't work for their child.
aleksandra5 2 years ago
for $20K it will work just fine :) trust me!
sisko7 2 years ago
where is the problem, than?!? It's funny though, where did you get that number of 20K? btw other countries (rather than our own) sponsor or cosponsor these treatments, so the funds are not a problem! But I am glad that we agree that it works! :)
aleksandra5 2 years ago
you sound so angry.....maybe you should redirect some of that anger, spend a couple of weeks at a hyperbaric oxygen therapy center that delivers 100% O2 to these kids and witness these "anectodes" for yourself.
CENTERFORHOPE 2 years ago
@CENTERFORHOPE thank you for the third biggest laugh i've had all day. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
how about focusing on reasonable, reliable treatments for challenges? how about nurturing strengths? the notion that all i need is a little O2 seems a little quackish to me. sorry. but i would like to see some independent research.
bluebanshee3 2 years ago