Lucifer and the Gnostic Christ -- One and the Same

[Chuck821000]

This is sme deep shit !!!! great video !!!

[arctictimberwolf]

L@@K----->/watch?v=r630fnVwwkY­

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf I shall feed this troll no more.

[arctictimberwolf]

@LadySorrowIshana LOL, my point is that a lot of the bad crap happening in the world is because of some very bad people and not necessarily God doing it.

[arctictimberwolf]

Genetics due to the fall of the first Adam

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf I will give you up as a lost cause. You are blind to all the suffering, pain, and hell around you because your heart is so entranced by God and his power, rather than his actions. You cannot be a loving person and not be aware of the pain of your fellow man, as God supposedly "tests" us to choose HIM over freedom and our supposed gift of free will, or subjects us to even worse hells than we know currently...

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf Methinks you are a troll. And Jesus said "Have I not told you that ye are gods?" You are living in a medieval mindset that you have to pledge fealty to a Lord, rather than embracing your own Spark of Divinity and transcending your mortal flaws to become a god in your own right, embracing responsibility for yourself and your own actions without fear of where they take you. It is the journey and not the destination that matters, as the path to enlightenment never ends. Peace.

[arctictimberwolf]

This is another reason why Mary was a virgin

[arctictimberwolf]

Man started dying at that point living only close to 1000 years of age and slowly life span decreased

[arctictimberwolf]

The word in that verse in the original ancient Hebrew means "dying thou shalt die" There was no death prior to the fall of man. There were no thorns on roses...hhhmmm

How much of it have you read? The animals in the garden did not kill to eat.

The dread of man was put into animals at the flood waters receding during the days of Noah.

So...how much of it, have you studied?

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf Enough of it to turn my stomach churning in revulsion for this alleged moral lawgiver and his atrocities against his creations. If death was not a part of life in the beginning, then the renewal of life, or birth, also would not have been able to happen, elsewise the earth would be filled so full that we would all be piled to the moon, for God's first commandment was be fruitful and multiply, and that multiplication would have led to mankind DEPLETING it.

[arctictimberwolf]

@LadySorrowIshana YHVH see all and knows all. He lives outside of time and is not bound by time.

Explain this----->/watch?feature=endsc­reen&NR=1&v=n8Z3kZr4fNQ

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf So you worship power and mystery, because God does not grant us the capacity to understand him and does not WANT us to understand him, elsewise when I asked for him to increase my capacity so I COULD understand him and be his friend, not his servant, he would not have granted me insanity and broken my willpower down so all the suggestions of my imagination became irresistible to refuse...

[arctictimberwolf]

@LadySorrowIshana God does so give his children the capacity to understand Him and He reviles Himself to those that He will. Regardless every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Yahshua is Lord. We will all see that's for sure.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf If God sees all and knows all, he KNEW all this would happen and needs not TEST us to see whether we will accept him or not because he would already KNOW it. Since God supposedly sees all and knows all, he knows who will go to hell and does nothing to stop it, ergo he WANTS them to go to hell and suffer, because he KNOWS they will before they supposedly choose to. If God knew the fall of man was imminent, why play it out?

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf He is like a parent who abuses his child and constantly reminds him/her of their flaws and insecurities, rather than working to build them up to transcend their flaws and become better people. Like a parent trying to potty train their child and rather than using kindness and patience, rubbing their face in their soiled underwear and expecting them to get the point...

[arctictimberwolf]

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

^..^

Now this is what God actually said:

Gen. 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man saying: Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat

2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat of it for in the day that thou eat thereof thou shalt surely die.

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Eve twisted God's Word ya see.

The lie is the fruit !

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf If the fruit is a lie, wouldn't the creator of the fruit be, by his very nature, a liar and a deceiver? Would you rather be a mindless animal, not knowing good from evil, but thinking all you do is good, and yet living in bliss, while subjecting those around you to malice and grief, as the quest for personal survival and salvation is the greatest drive of all, and not being aware of it because you thought all you did was good?

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf God did not live by his word because he did not kill Adam and Eve when he said they would die for partaking of the fruit, but rather he made them, the animals, and the entire earth SUFFER for as long as time has stood, and made it so he would require a blood sacrifice to sate him, rather than destroying those who disobeyed him, and making something he thought was better and more obedient than them and cutting out all this pain and bloodshed...

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf Did YOU partake of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil personally? Then why does God make you pay for something someone else did?

[arctictimberwolf]

He is perfect. He requires perfection. Yahshua lived a perfect life here in the flesh and thru him we may be saved from an eternity of misery. Yes, earth is a proving grounds.

Think not that you would be slaving in eternity like ya gotta do Gods dishes for him or something.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf No one, in my opinion, is perfect, not even God.  If he made us flawed and then expects us to be perfect, because he is supposedly perfect, that makes him a perfectionist, and the most extreme of all people. No, we would be praising God for all eternity, merely for the fact that he is God and not for how he has chosen to use his power of creativity. We will be worshiping POWER, not Truth, not Love, not Mercy, but POWER.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf The Objective Truth is the only thing that is perfect and eternal. Embrace the quest for knowledge, wisdom, love, mercy, and grace, and not an EXAMPLE of supposed perfection which is Jesus, but strive to be a better person YOURSELF. Be a hero, for the world needs one. Be a savior, for the world needs saving. Not necessarily back to the grace of God, but to the grace of Good...

[arctictimberwolf]

If a thief picks pockets, then realizes that s/he was wrong says a prayer "sorry" and continues to pick pockets, have they repented?

What of Judas? Did he repent??

Who does the will of the Father???

Eve lied when she said God's commend was to not touch it

Then she duped Adam

God said "because ye have hearkened unto thy wife, cursed is the ground for your sake"

He cursed the Earth for the sake of man not woman

He put enmity between her and the serpent and made for a painful birth.

4sure

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf Why do you think the saying about the thief? Did I not say that asking for forgiveness does not require for the person to feel sorry for it, regardless as to whether she asks forgiveness for the sake of duping you again. He cursed the ENTIRE earth for man's alleged sin, does not that show his extremity in how he thinks, because he also made the animals, who had no part in it, suffer for that self-same sin?

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf So you are the type who condemns the use of anesthesia on a woman in labor because you believe she DESERVES to suffer for the sins of Eve, a woman who may or may not have even existed? If you loved your wife, you would not think such things, but rather try to soothe all her pains, even labor, to the most you had power to do so...

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf Eve NEVER said that God's command was not to touch it, but rather that eating of it opened her eyes and now she thought like God, no longer the base animal he made her and expected her to remain. Blessed are the ignorant to him, and he rewards them with everlasting paradise, a place reserved for the ignorant in service to the Ignorant God.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf God expects you to DO HIS WILL and WILLINGLY do so, you even said so in your last comment. But who chooses to rise above? Who chooses transcendence, despite all barriers blocking their path, over eternal servitude to a God who may not even deserve it? Judas would not have needed to repent because he helped fulfill the prophecy, for if he had not done as he had done, Christ would not have been led away to be crucified, supposedly, for all our sins...

[arctictimberwolf]

Are you burstin' these comments in a reverse Phi ratio? ^ )

I see that you are in denial that there is a Creator that loves his creation so much that he gave us all, in his image, free will to choose. We hope you choose life.

He cries when he has to allow one of his creation to be bound in the chains of darkness.

He allows his creation to make their own decisions and that is love.

His Word will not return void.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf Believe what you will. You are blind insomuch that you want paradise over individuality. What of Lucifer? Was he not God's first creation and then cast down when God created something new and decreed that it was better than him? As soon as God makes his next creation, his love for us will fade.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf He loves us so much that he practically FORCES us into a position where we HAVE to love him in return. You say he cries when we suffer for not choosing him, a suffering that HE subjects us to for using our freedoms? How selfish is that? He gave us a gift that we are not allowed to use, like a parent giving a child a television and then beating them for watching it.

[arctictimberwolf]

@LadySorrowIshana A Husband loves his wife but the wife loves herself so much that she commits ADULTERY. The marriage ends in divorce....hhhmmm Would you stay in a relationship with a whore that doesn't love back. I doubt it. Hhhmmm Do most marriages end in divorce because of infidelity...hhhmmm. Free birds ha? Count the cost ! Same deal with friendships, these are giving and receiving matters. He gave you free will in love and hopes to receive love in return.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf So you are saying that we are married to God now? I know a man whom I loved and wanted to be with because his wife cheated on him. He FORGAVE her instead because he loved her so much. If God loved us he would FORGIVE us with no strings, no suffering, no blood sacrifices. If he indeed gave us free will he would allow us to use it. It's like s husband saying his wife is indeed free to see other people and then beating her when she does so...

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf He did not give us free will in the HOPES we would give love back, but rather DEMANDS it at the cost of suffering hell, and death. Hoping you get love from someone denotes there are no strings attached. Sometimes the most loving thing to do is give someone you love their freedom to choose, and not punish them for it, or wish them ill will. I loved Riley SO much that I let him go, and I WILL NOT make him pay for using me to make his wife jealous like he did.

[arctictimberwolf]

@LadySorrowIshana You are usin' a Fibonacci pattern, hahaha; ^ ) Cool !

Forgiveness comes after repentance, right?

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf No, it is not a Fibonacci pattern, as you will see the most recent post first and the first post I made last, and no, Riley NEVER asked me for my forgiveness, but rather cut me entirely out of his life, but I still FORGAVE him in my heart and still do love him dearly. Repentance for what? What DID we do, other than be born? What do we have to confess that he does not already know?

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf Repentance is NOT a requirement for forgiveness. An ex boyfriend USED me and took EVERYTHING I had and IS NOT SORRY for it, but I forgive him, because I understand that he is HUMAN and we all make mistakes. What he did to me taught me alot and I thank him for it, even though it was hard.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf God should be asking for OUR forgiveness, because he supposedly tempted us with knowledge of Good and Evil, which to partake of was to allegedly become like him when all he thought HE did was GOOD. "And God created the heavens and the earth, and saw it was GOOD." "Man has taken of the tree of knowledge and has become like us, let us bar him from the Tree of Life, so he does not fully become like us."

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf And what does his barring us from the Tree of Life tell you other than the fact that we have the POTENTIAL to become fully like him or even BETTER than him, but rather he chooses to HOLD US BACK because he fears competition and someone overthrowing his hold on the universe.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf God purposely put the Tree of Knowledge in the garden and had to have known the serpent would tell Eve or Adam that to partake of it was to become like God. Or as Lucifer once told me: "What child does not seek to become better than his parent? Or what parent does not dream of his child surpassing him someday?" I want MY children to be BETTER than me, not my servants, not my slaves.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf In my opinion, repentance to God is only lip service to get your way with him and feel better, when the best thing you can do is forget that lip service and decide to change your heart for the better and allow whatever grace and mercy he allegedly grants you to touch you in your life, for if he indeed knows your heart he does not NEED you to ASK him for forgiveness and therefore grovel before him, but would WANT you to stand as his equal, as his friend.

[arctictimberwolf]

Wow, that was quite a burst. ; ^ )

Have you not heard:

For God so loved the world that he gave his ONLY begotten Son that who ever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved.

...

Infinity and Love are hard to comprehend : ^ D

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf So why did he have to sacrifice HIMSELF (If you believe that Christ is the avatar of God in the flesh) to HIMSELF in order to be able to forgive us for a sin our ancestors committed generations ago that has been put on OUR heads like someone condemning all Jews or Blacks, or an entire generation or family because of, what is in his opinion, a crime that but ONE or TWO members of that society committed?

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf Yes, he loves you SO much that unless you believe in his sacrifice to HIMSELF to please HIMSELF that he would not only subject you eventually to the "second death" but also torture you until your soul went into shock and fell into that coma for not obeying and giving up your freedoms to him, who supposedly made you in his image and also made you to WANT to become BETTER than your limitations, and dream of a BETTER universe...

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf I CAN be BETTER than he who would live in luxury, above all pains and suffering while making his creations suffer for allegedly disobeying him for a mistake he made by loving and caring for my fellows with all my heart and striving to open their eyes to that false God. I am only trying to make you AWARE of what you are saying and supporting, which is an atrocity. When you abuse your power, you abuse everything

[arctictimberwolf]

Either way ye are forever

Choose forever life

Cast off forever death

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf So being a free-thinking, free-willed person who aspires to transcend even God and become his equal, if not BETTER than him is dangerous? Of course, like I said to another commentor if Obama set a decree that everyone had to vote for him or rot in the worst prison in the world, that would be the nature of GOD. What else would the people do except revolt, revolt because their freedom was being taken away...

[arctictimberwolf]

@LadySorrowIshana Interesting comparison proves the danger. Apples and Oranges. Do you think that you get a vote as to who the Creator is? No.....hhhmmm you are a creation of the Creator and no mater how hard ya try can never be better than Him who is Uncreated....hhhmmm as the elections in the U.S.A. corporation are rigged what makes u think that your vote makes you free...Ask king Nebuchadnezzar how that all worked out for him.

There is only One True Living Creator

YHVH

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf My point exactly. The free-will and freedoms this Christian/Jewish/Islamic God gave is is all an illusion. We did not CHOOSE to BE created, especially in the image we were. God supposedly gave us free will, offering no other alternative than to give it back to him and be his slaves for all eternity. You no more chose your creator or to be born than an emperor who was BORN into that position and inflicts tyranny upon us all...

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf You know what? I am surprised you even had the balls to voice your opinion to me, because you are obviously a coward who would bow to a malevolent tyrant for the sake of your own personal rewards than risk it all and fight for that which is objectively and truly RIGHT. The founding fathers revolted against tyranny of a man they did not CHOOSE to represent them, and therefore, the path for you to even express your opinions was paved...

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf I see this God as a usurper of power, the being who says HE is the Truth, when NOTHING is above the Objective Truth and even all the Gods and spirits are bound by it, if they are objectively and truly good. Watch my newest videos Objective and Subjective Truth, God, Lucifer, and How We View Them if you want to hear more about Objective Truth.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf In my observations of the universe, I have come to believe that this fractures universe is the splattered remains of Sophia, Goddess of Wisdom, who was slain by her creation, the God of Ignorance, who now works to completely and utterly destroy her, and we are caught between that tyrant and her true lover, who is Lucifer/Christ, trying to liberate her with his love...

[LadySorrowIshana]

@arctictimberwolf You are only so bold as to voice your own brainwashed opinions in support of that malevolent tyrant, known as God, in the respect that you only care for your personal well-being. If we were to create life and live in luxury while subjecting our subjects to misery and slavery what else would we be but monsters?

[arctictimberwolf]

This video is a perfect example of the dangers of a warped mind twisting theology.

The DANGEROUSNESS of following a temporal intellect.

YHVH RULES THE KINGDOM OF MEN NOW AND FOREVER

Infinity is hard to comprehend

He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.

And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.

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YHVH also thundered in the heavens and the Highest gave his voice...

[kaidsin]

To take my previous statement a step further i would like to add we were created in the image of the (false) god. If you spend the time to truly know ones self you will have the same abilities as your captor. The false god knows this, it is a paradigm created because in our hearts we don't want to offend our true heavenly father. To see through the lies you are brave intelligent and courageous.

[kaidsin]

I 100% agree. Why would god want us to be in ignorance? And then punish us for receiving knowledge? Why would god create us in his own image and then flood and kill us for being corrupt. (implying god is corrupt and not humble enough to look to himself as the problem) The main theme of Christianity is subservience. I would just like to add an idea to that, this 'god' who did create humanity is in no way the prime creator of our universe. Just an egomaniac who wants slaves and to be worshiped.

[y0uG0tpwned1]

Satan is destined for hell. His days are numbered. I choose everlasting life.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@y0uG0tpwned1 You choose everlasting life of a SLAVE. Think for yourself!

[y0uG0tpwned1]

WRONG, God wants us to eat from the tree of life but gives us a choice. That's the point, the freewill of choice. FAIL.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@y0uG0tpwned1 Freewill of choice? Worship me or suffer an eternity in HELL! Some freedom. God wants POWER. God wants CONTROL. He doesn't want us to become like him someday because he fears competition. God didn't give us freewill otherwise he would accept us no matter what we did, like a supportive, loving parent. Sure discipline is merited sometimes but to make your children suffer eternally in hell for not doing what you told them? A little extreme don'tcha think?

[kaidsin]

@LadySorrowIshana

You say this with negative connotations to god, I think you should state you mean the false god of the bible and not the true prime creator.

[y0uG0tpwned1]

@LadySorrowIshana

God doesn't send people to hell. Hell was designed for fallen angels not people.

But those who aren't holly by default walk right into hell.

When Jesus comes back, those who refuse to be cleansed by the holly spirit will are toast. Sin cannot exist in a kingdom of pure Holyness, so when Christ comes back to establish his kingdom he has to purge the sin from this world. I mean shit, if you're rejecting heaven, where else is there to go, Detroit?

[LadySorrowIshana]

@y0uG0tpwned1 No one is truly holy. (Of course my name is Holly, so maybe that's what you are talking about LOL) Sin is a subjective ideal. We are human, we make MISTAKES. We do what we do mainly out of ignorance and if God had made man the way Lucifer suggested from the beginning, sin would not exist and no one would be in crisis or NEED saving, nor would ANYONE be left behind or forgotten. We would all be one Universal Family...

[LadySorrowIshana]

@y0uG0tpwned1 If God does indeed know all, then he knew the "fall" of mankind was imminent and destined to be, but yet he plays it out anyway. Why? I am not rejecting heaven, but reject servitude, groveling before a lord or king or god, but rather seek out to ignite my own Divine Spark and be as a god in my own right. And Jesus said "Have I not told you that ye are gods?" Accept knowledge, wisdom, love, grace, and mercy and you NEED NOT God's intervention...

[y0uG0tpwned1]

@LadySorrowIshana

If you end up in Hell, it's your fault. God is love, and I felt that love. Belief is not enough, nor can you earn your way into heaven. It all comes down to love. Plain and simple.

[y0uG0tpwned1]

If loui, satan, the serpent, what ever you call him, is so powerful, how come he is where he is now, and not where God is? This is all new age bullshit. Fuck Allah.

[kaidsin]

@y0uG0tpwned1

He is where 'god' is, as this 'god' is the false god who wants to be worshiped as god to give a big F U to the real god. Watch the video again

[MrSanders1981]

Good to see u doing things Liken from LRS

[EvilJeZus616]

It's good to see someone who's beginning to open up their eyes.

I believe that the real Adversary your're referring to is actually Jehovah/ Yahweh / Allah.

did you also know that 'Satan' originally meant "eternal truth" in Sanskrit?

The meaning was later changed to mean "adversary" by the animal sacrificing Jews so calling Lucifer "Satan" Isn't offensive at all to him because of how far the monotheistic Jewish LIE has gotten, and also the title "Satan" was originally his.

[EvilJeZus616]

'Satan' would actually be a badge of honor because of the thoughts and ideas of rebellion, free thought, liberty from religion and individuality that name provokes.

The "god" of the Jews and the bible is the REAL Devil NOT Satan. He has been a scapegoat for countless years. anyway, though there may have been a 'gnostic christ' like figure but still the Jesus / Nazarene is a Jewish invention used to subvert Gentiles into worshiping them.

See exposingchristianity(dot)com

joyofsatan(dot)org

[LadySorrowIshana]

@EvilJeZus616 I personally see Christ and Lucifer as two sides of the same coin, one is an excuse to be cruel and unusual while feeling good because you believe that he sacrificed himself for you supposed sins and the other as seen as the source of all evils, when God himself in Isaiah says that he creates all ills and good, calamity and misfortune. It is all on God's head, not Lucifer/Christ.

[crlwllns]

SO, "the lucis trust", was always of the light, the w-h-o-l-e time! I'd prefer to go on my feelings, than naming names, as even these have been obviously twisted, from their original intention....

(I hope by my playlist, I'm not revealing, who, iam.....) Thanks for sharing!!! You've done well...

[JorEl7771]

I also believe that the serpent was a being filled with wisdom. The serpent did nothing bad in the OT. BIble says the Devil was a murderer from the beginning. Well who murdered all the people by sending a flood? Who murdered the woman and children? Who sent the hebrews to slaughter? Jehova! No where in the bible does Lucifer do or command such acts. Good video!

[LadySorrowIshana]

@JorEl7771 Thanks! As far as one of the stories Lucifer told me is that he suggested to God in the beginning that he should make man all knowing as he is and give them the wisdom to know what to do with that knowledge. If we knew enough about our universe and our underlying interconnectedness would we have a cause to "sin?" But God said that would take away their free will, however, does that not imply he is the most bound creature of all?

[JorEl7771]

The Lucifer story is a mass deception by the Church. Lucifer is not Satan, but a Roman deity of Light - Venus the Morning and Evening Star. Lucifer was added to the bible. Lucifer means Light Bearer. Anyone who spreads light is a light bearer. Christ said he was the Morning Star. He's Lucifer. God is Light - God is Lucifer. Haleluciferia !! Praise you Jesus! Hashe'a hashe'a oblima! hahaha that last part was for you silly X-ians!

[Narcissist657]

The Xtian god is Satan. And the Xtian Satan is GOD.

thank you for the upload!

peace \/

[ald409]

Thank you very much! Will read thoroughly. Where can I fimd more on Sophia and daemons? I emailed u back. Plz read. Thank you.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@ald409 I sent you the Gnostic Bible. I mainly came up with these theories on my own based upon my own interactions with the spirit world. No matter what type of spirit I talked to they all shared similarities with each other in their ways and goals. Dragon, Angel Demon, whatever, most of them viewed life as beneath them and worthy of scoffing at or openly tormenting those trapped within, some through beauty and promises of future glory if someone did as they were told by them...

[ald409]

could you please re-do this video. Contact me if you will because I would like to have a better understanding of what you are speaking but the music kind of drown you out. please email me at daurenceb@yahoo.com so I can give u my number. Thank you.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@ald409 I emailed you a copy of the transcript. I don't know if I am ready to swap numbers because I don't know where you stand concerning this subject. I like a certain anonymity to my posts because I can choose to ignore them if I want to.

[rafyraf100]

cmon maaaannnnn!!!!

[JohnyNotebO0k]

Although the question about the God (demi.urge) that created this universe is not that he his malevolent, it is that he his ignorant . In fact he is also a divine being on his own right, and although the creation is imperfect it is also magnificent. And the own universe leads to this secret knowledge of all is not just what it seems and conspires to teach us (in the creators own ignorance). He is Samael - that is the blind god.

[PuertoRicanTakeOva]

@JohnyNotebO0k So what you're saying is the creator of the universe is ignorant and the creations are, although imperfect are magnificent?

[JohnyNotebO0k]

@PuertoRicanTakeOva According to gnostic beliefs, the creator of this universe is not the ultimate creater, and is commonly refered to the demiurge. He is also a divine and powerfull entity on his own, and thus capable of doing magnificent things on a material human point of view. Still it is far from what is present at the pleuroma, being this perfect state a transcendent one (the divine perfection).

[JohnyNotebO0k]

@PuertoRicanTakeOva Additionally in order to reach gnosis you must reach knowledge that you are on this imperfect state. This is achieved because the universe secretly conspires to enlighting you - knowledge of the all and of the self.

That is, according to gnostic beliefs, when making the universe, the divine spark present on the demiurge conditioned the material universe with secret knowledge, knowledge that is available to the keen observer, and often transmitted through simbolic means.

[JohnyNotebO0k]

@PuertoRicanTakeOva So concluding, when Jesus is quoted on the gospels saying about money "Give to Ceaser what is from ceaser" - he is expressing gnosticism at his fullest. He did not came to save the material world - rejection of the material - money. He has come to call upon what is his - the spiritual divine entrapped on the material universe. He is "the way, the true life" - he established a path for the spiritual entrapped to follow him back. "Those who wish to be saved follow me" ;)

[JohnyNotebO0k]

@PuertoRicanTakeOva In case you did not yet understand if you believe that Jesus was God, then you must understand that when he says to give Ceasers money to him because it is his property, then Jesus as God would be saying - The material is not mine and I wish no part with it. If the material would be from God and to be redempted, then Jesus could not have given such an answer, as that Ceasers money although being manufactered by Ceaser, would be his making too.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@PuertoRicanTakeOva I personally mean that God was ignorant and possibly malevolent either because of his ignorance or because he could be, and that he made the universe imperfect and well, gross, because he, himself is imperfect. We are a gross creation, created by a gross being and in order to find perfection and ignite the divine spark within us, we must seek knowledge or gnosis.

[PuertoRicanTakeOva]

@LadySorrowIshana Didn't God make us perfect and in being deceived by the serpent we fell from that Grace by disobeying him? Aren't we given the free will to be in his shoes by deciding our own fate whether to repent and turn back to him so maybe he can restore us to the grace and perfection he intended us to have? Wasn't Jesus perfect, sinless and extremely wise showing that his father, who created us has the ability to create perfection and is actually not ignorant?

[LadySorrowIshana]

T@PuertoRicanTakeOva Thats only if you take the Bible lierally and trust those who wrote it or were allegedly inspired to write it. After all history wasnt written by who were right but rather those who were left.

[PuertoRicanTakeOva]

@LadySorrowIshana And I can not disagree with you about that.

[JohnyNotebO0k]

Yes we are Deamons, that is not necesserally evil but in between mortal men and the true God. That is a major Gnostic belief in which the lesser God, creator of this universe (present in the OT and in the Kuran) wants to keep us ignorant and enslaved in our mortal shells. Jesus, or the light bringer, came to bring us light onto the darkness that clouded our minds making us blind. It is by the awkanening of our minds onto the notion that we have present a divine spark within us that we rebell.

[JohnyNotebO0k]

Lucifer the light bringer. Lucifer is related to enlightment of the mind, as is the gnostic christ, which I believe to be the most original teachings of christianity. They are still present on the gospels in the traditional bible, but a bit disguised. Nice to meet someone else who can understand this concepts and that has achieved liberation of their spirit (the true salvation).Do not use Christians name loosly - Gnostic Christians have nothing to do with catholic christians.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@JohnyNotebO0k Thanks! I am always scared when I get a comment on one of these videos because I am afraid of being flooded with Christians saying "You're going to burn in Hell!" or something. So far the comments have been pretty positive and I am pleasantly surprised to find I am not alone in my beliefs. I know that the Gnostics are not the same as the Christians because they tend to believe that the God who created this universe is malevolent and that whatever HE came out of is the REAL God.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@JohnyNotebO0k I believe Adonai/Satan/Yaldabaoth came out of Sophia, the Void-Mother, beginning of us all when she perceived she was ignorant and tried to cast it out of herself which was an act of ignorance in and of itself, because we all possess a little bit of ignorance to allow us to grow. Lucifer, like all of us, was a part of Sophia, the timeless Void and were ripped out of it by Adonai when he made us physical and separate from her grace and we are lesser daemons trapped in prisons...

[LadySorrowIshana]

@JohnyNotebO0k Gods and goddesses are Greater Daemons and angels and demons are also simple Daemons, and there is no difference between the two which is why they can look like one or the other at time. Lucifer is also a Greater Daemon in as much as Adonai is, and both are supported by those souls a part of their "collectives" which is why they are battling for more. We are the original 1/3 of the host of heaven who followed Lucifer and were cast out, as Lesser Daemons trapped in the physical.

[5Dshapeshifter116]

great video thanks for sharing

[JorEl7771]

For me, I do not believe Lucifer to be evil. The Lucifer we now know today is a creation from the church and hollywood. He isn't real. Lucifer is a latin word incerted in the bible. Lucifer means Morning Star or Light Bearer. Jesus is known as the Bright and Morning Star. So it is safe to call him Lucifer. We as light bearers are also lucifers. It's a beautiful name/title. Many Christians today have made a mess of it. Very sad.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@JorEl7771 I totally agree. I'm trying to change people's views about Lucifer and what HE means to us and how evil God must be to make a world/universe like this of suffering and ignorance, but I doubt I'll get through to all these brainwashed Christians/Mormons/Catholics and the like. *shrugs* Can't blame me for trying.

[JorEl7771]

@LadySorrowIshana to make it worst, the Satanists use the name Lucifer and society freaks out. It gives more power to the christians, so when you try to enlighten certain people, they just can't open up their minds because they are brainwashed by the media, christians and hollywood. The Light Bearers have always tried to help humanity, but they are always persecuted.

[LadySorrowIshana]

@JorEl7771 I know. I don't see Lucifer as Satan and neither do most Luciferians I know... What Lucifer is to me is the archetype for enlightenment and betterment in the human mind. He's everything that makes us yearn for something MORE or BETTER. Anyone who has talked of enlightenment or betterment of the self, humanity, or the condition of this planet has been in a way touched by Lucifer, however religions try to use such things to make people cling to them by altering them...

[qwertyfshag]

When I read the Bible, i thought that God was the bad guy.

In the garden, he lied when he said Adam and Eve would die.

When humanity was united together in building Babel, he came down and caused disorder so that humans can't work together.

I think the OT has 2 different Gods. There is the Yawah and then there is Elohim. If you read it in Hebrew, it tells a different story. The name Yawah has been removed from the Bible in over 4 thousand places. Replaced by the word "LORD"