@mphalo1 and sadly WRC will continue to suck. if all the manufacturers hadn't pulled out over the past 12 years, viewership would be up.....i want to see Subaru, Ford, Lancia, and all the GOOD teams again.
ARE WE TRYING TO SELL SOMETHING HERE?! DO YOU THINK THAT THE MUSIC RIGHTS OWNERS WOULDN'T BE PROUD TO WATCH HOW PEOPLE LOVE THEIR WORK TO USE IT IN A VIDEOCLIP?! GET FKN REAL!!! IT TAKES HOURS TO MAKE A DAMN MOVIE LIKE THIS, SOMETIMES ONLY TO POST IT HERE!!! THIS IS NOT A DAMN VIDEO STORE!!!
Most forms of racing, be it 4 wheel, or 2 are over-regulated. There are places for open class racing which rewards ingenuity and engineering ideas. Over-regulation is what makes NASCAR so dreadful.
Also, I'm not certain people lining the race lanes which have no barriers are as much victims as they are Darwinian experiments.
I would love to see something like Gruppe B return with beastly 1000Hp engines and with modern transmission and engine management technology.
my dad watched once those cars in portugal, in the year i was born 1985, when i talked with him about group b rally cars, he said that those where real rally cars, today cars are nothing compared to group b...
I agree, Group B were the real rally cars. However todays WRC cars are nearly as fast because the technology today is so much more advanced, meaning that even though they have less horsepower, they can still get a lot of speed out of less horsepower. Mind you, todays drivers have semi-automatic gear boxes, so they can keep their hands on the wheel. The group B drivers had to proper manual gear boxes, so they had to take their hands of the wheel at high speeds, sometimes while taking corners!
yes they are allowed, but it would be stupid because now we all know that the machine is now faster then the human mind, in fact sequential gearboxes are faster than mnanual gearboxes, so it's easier for te pilote to drive, andit's faster, so i think teams that would not use that technology would be rapidly be ou of the game.. !
Personally, I think with todays technology, and safety, that Group B cars would be easy enough, if you were to put 660BHP in a WRC car with about 700ft/lb of torque, it would cause the same sensation as the Group B cars did back then. I know atm, money is tight but when the recession ends I think it's a good idea. Like, Henri Toivonen drove a much faster car than Latvala, and their big crashes were about the same, only Latvala's car was much safer than Henri's.
mamma mia che registrazione....henri e sergio sono usciti....fermate le partenze....chiamate i pompieri....ma sono dentro o fuori???? mamma mia i brividi....
I witnessed the derrangement that went through everyone that year here in Portugal. I remember Markku saying, about the Lancia, that it was a "car that had no straights, ounce you're out of a corner you're into the next one". I cried when I heard Henri had died. Never again will there be such power on an common road.
and if i speak about rally. everybody thinks about the group b. i'm just 15 years old. i've never saw them drive. but i've seen a lot of movies about those rally class. it was just fantastic. they were the monsters of the 80's. there were no other cars who were better than them. it was just magnifisant. i dream every day that group b joins back into rally. but i think that thats never gonna happen.
intense racing, the cars were incredible, the worlds best drivers racing the worlds best, machines,
the voices tht start bout 3mins in say tht the lancia driven by HENRI TOIVONEN had crashed and exploded, the drivers were still in the car and to stop all other cars, also a different voice says for all martini lancia's are to return to service
the car went of the road going to fast into a turn, understeered and hit the trees, then it jst exploded, the only thing left was a crumpled chasis
Yes! there is lots of ppl who likes to see group B back! Croud control needs atenttion, and what i like to see is the old sideways driving style. Its not the fastest way around corners but needs more skill and much more entertaimin for the croud. Driver needs to make the car, not computers and all that shit.
I have heard that when group B rally cars were competing against formula one car in F1-track, that those, f1 and group b cars, were quite equal. bad english. I know...
It's about when Henri "Henkka" Toivonen crashed his Lancia Turbo delta & burned to death in it. No one knows exactly what happened, but it ended group B. The car was nothing more then mangled and burned steel. It was as devastating a moment to group B fans as was the dead of Senna to F1 fans.
I worked in motorsport at the time I wasn't there but a friend was servicing for another team in the service area before the accident and the car was leaking avgas into the rear and Toivonen was so affected by the fumes he got into Markku Alen's car during the service believing it was his car ,the stage after that service was when the car exploded before leaving the road ,Lancia cheat(avgas),they should never of been allowed to leave the service area with fuel leaking into the car.
it's something about a car fire, and to stop the race, call the firefighters and also as u can see the man sounds very disperate maybe bacause the crash was very bad
The question is--has anyone learned from this,the problem is technology advances faster than those in charge. The autosport rules community needs to get up to speed with crowd control and safety measures.
I have a rough translation of the Toivonen interview in the discription box. Before the Corsica part, it's Markku Alén talking about the Corsican event that year.
Oh yeah sorry. It's the radio contact between Tiziano Siviero (codriver of Biasion) on the spot where Henri crashed and the Lancia camp in Ajaccio. Siviero calling for a fire department cause Henri's car exploded. Fiorio asked if they where out of the car, but he couldn't tell. At the end they say, "Whole Lancia team, return to Ajaccio".
if only there had of been marshalls about back then....then fucking portugal wudnt of banned group B.....everybody knoew an accident was going 2 happen, all crowding around the track, just really pisses me off! Im sure you guys feel the same!
this is really great editing, amazing, id love to see these things in action for like a memorial to the car and the drivers of the age of these things. absolutely awesome.
10+ Fantastic video, great editing. Especially loved switching through different cars in the same shots. Great work. Could use some original sound though ;)
Listen mate, you're counting peanuts. In the turbo era fuel tank size and boost was restricted and mid race refuelling banned so it became a fuel economy championship. By the last season of turbo engines they ran only 2.5 Bar boost (down from 4 Bar) and 150 litre fuel tanks = about 850hp. They now run 900hp! Restrictions were phased in over 4 years, they didn't just kill the category on less than 12 months notice like with Group B.
Josti another great vid! i love them all...certainly a sad note on the loss of the great henri toivonen, it is impressive, as quoted before, that HT said that driving these cars was impossible.
for any of the rally fans out there, do you know what were henri toivonen's racing numbers? besides the cursed number 4 with which he died?
Well, at that time, they raced with different numbers every Rally. Besides 4, his most famous are probably his winning numbers like 7 at the Monte Carlo, 6 at RAC '85 and 16 at RAC 1980. But If you want a list of all his starting numbers, I can pm it to you.
BTW my theory on why Gr B was banned so suddenly had more to do with Bernie Eccelstone and F1 being made to look pedestrian and loosing manufactures than how dangerous Gp B was. Drivers diw in F1 and the entire formula doesn't get banned! GrA almost killed rallying, and I'm sure that was the FIAs idea at the time.
Yes, FIA looked too much at F1 (Still does) and as a panic reaction, it banned Group B. Group A had a slow start yes, but it picked up in the early 90's.
Don't you think the FIA should put a limit of 300 Bhp on F1 cars also? Rally is restricted to the same power level as F3. In fact, it seems every formula OTHER than F1 has to run an air restrictor.
It was pretty obvious at the time (1986) that F1 felt threatened! (Maybe ur 2 young 2 remember) They set up an FIA World Touring Car championship that was cancelled after just 1 year. Bernie's Brabham F1team built an Alfa Romeo (look up 164 procar on YouTube) V10 proto type demo car as a suggestion for a circuit racing 'silhouette' formula to rival Group B. (Bernie owned the global TV rights to F1). The FIA, who control both series, killed GpB and replaced with the equivalent to today's Gp N.
If you can tell me that what was done to slow F1 cars after Aytron Senna died (ah NOT MUCH) and what happened to Rallying after Henri Toivonen died are equal (what equated to busting Grand Prix cars down to F3 cars) I'd say you don't know what you're talking about Mate.
What an utter bullshit tsport100. Group B was banned and cars slowed down AND same happened to F1. The F1 cars were too fast and they were killing drivers left and right, FIA slowed down F1, just as with WRC.
You call 900hp F1 cars 'slowed down' do you? what a joke. They actually race with more HP now than in the Turbo era where-as Rally has half what the HP they had in Gp B. Other than engine capacity and a 19,000 Rpm limit, F1 is unlimited. They try to limit engine power by making the teams use them for 2 races... LOL what a joke.
They don't race with more horsepower now. Turbos were banned from F1 in 1989 as the cars became too fast for the tracks. The '80s are called the Turbo era in F1 and cars had up to 1400 bhp in qualifying trim. Now in V8 the have about 800bhp I think. Few years ago they were up to 950 bhp, but further rule changes have brought the horsepower figures down again.
I like Your Videos I think this video more then 5 star:)
R. I. P. Henry & Sergio :(
(Can you write me the music's title?)
djtanya1990 7 months ago
where do you get your clips from? thier amazing :)
XsUp3rDuBzX 8 months ago
real engineering went into these machines...
brunic11 10 months ago
wrc is going 1.6 now
mphalo1 11 months ago
@mphalo1 and sadly WRC will continue to suck. if all the manufacturers hadn't pulled out over the past 12 years, viewership would be up.....i want to see Subaru, Ford, Lancia, and all the GOOD teams again.
Nitehawk770 4 months ago
If you did that... cool editing.
lelevianello 1 year ago
you can find the video on Dailymotion with the sound!!
bangerke 1 year ago
am i death or is the sound just not on
fmestorys 1 year ago
@fmestorys If your death you dont hear anything son. Deaf maybe but Death? No.
fatboyslinky 11 months ago
What the song you used so I can play it in another widow whilst I watch your video.(copyright loop holes : P )
Cthrilla 1 year ago
Rally drivers are also artists! Mud has never looked so beautiful!
billygoatdawg081992 1 year ago
FU*K YOU CAPITALISM!!!
youlovac 1 year ago
so good :D
gRsAtmaN 1 year ago
TO THE YOUTUBE MANAGERS (or something like that):
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spythers 2 years ago 15
@spythers wow those words are so true. please preach some more!
billygoatdawg081992 1 year ago
fuckin copyrights.
they have taken the most videos and have muted allmost all the remaining...
FUCK....
555sonap 2 years ago 52
WMG!? ARE YOU SERIOUS!? BAAUGH!!!
Dogman36 2 years ago 5
fuck copyrights
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28power68 2 years ago 11
The human race as become soft simple no one today has the guts to drive such mithical beasts who wants to live forever
R4ORT 3 years ago 18
great analysis
TeraStrataGeM 2 years ago 4
Well done vid. Excellent.
Most forms of racing, be it 4 wheel, or 2 are over-regulated. There are places for open class racing which rewards ingenuity and engineering ideas. Over-regulation is what makes NASCAR so dreadful.
Also, I'm not certain people lining the race lanes which have no barriers are as much victims as they are Darwinian experiments.
I would love to see something like Gruppe B return with beastly 1000Hp engines and with modern transmission and engine management technology.
Tubesmaney 3 years ago 6
Want to win hire a Finn.
TheUnkn0wn91 3 years ago 4
group B did so much for ralling.
they should bring is back.
qerdty 3 years ago 4
hmm.."menee niin lujaa ettei aivot pysy mukana" Hmm..vain Hullut noita osas ajaa.. =)
nappula80 3 years ago 2
around to ever see it
faithskater72 3 years ago
too many people died pretty much
echoe09 3 years ago
why exactly was group b banned? im only 17 so i wasnt
faithskater72 3 years ago
Rallies were never the same after Group B was shutdown.
Theese were true Rally cars, like Knights in Shinning armor charging across the forest roads.
Draugkir 3 years ago 2
Wow well done video!!! R.I.P Henry!!!!
bootymann29 3 years ago 4
brutal rally
bitumen83 3 years ago
Minkä vitun takia pitää se saatanan musiikki joka vitun väliin?!! ennemmin kuuntelis noiden unohtumattomien kapistusten ääntä. Saatanan idiootti.
asgarthan 3 years ago
Kato nuo Group B - Pure sound -videot... Samat pätkät löytyy sieltä.
Look at Group B - Pure sound -videos... You'll find the same clips from there.
SilberpfeilW125 3 years ago
STFU, hienosti tehty video, ei o pakko kattoo..
MikaHakkinen83 3 years ago
super dramatic!!! great!
motoTOM10 3 years ago
Would have been better without the music... Awesome video still.
borde049 3 years ago
le uniche macchine che divennero troppo veloci per correre....gloria al mitico "gruppo B"
foooollee 3 years ago
TRULY EPIC.
'nuff said
Dogman36 3 years ago
i LOVED broup B
albiz94 3 years ago 4
Bel video,anche se drammatico! 5+
diegosanremo 3 years ago 2
Brilliant video and so sad.
Silvermac27 3 years ago
Too flashy.
SparrowNoblePoland 3 years ago
my dad watched once those cars in portugal, in the year i was born 1985, when i talked with him about group b rally cars, he said that those where real rally cars, today cars are nothing compared to group b...
FilipeIgreja 3 years ago 5
and he's so right. group b cars were and still are the real rally cars
bangerke 3 years ago
I agree, Group B were the real rally cars. However todays WRC cars are nearly as fast because the technology today is so much more advanced, meaning that even though they have less horsepower, they can still get a lot of speed out of less horsepower. Mind you, todays drivers have semi-automatic gear boxes, so they can keep their hands on the wheel. The group B drivers had to proper manual gear boxes, so they had to take their hands of the wheel at high speeds, sometimes while taking corners!
xtc327 3 years ago 3
The sequential gearboxes have a stick/leaver, they're not allowed to have paddleboxes in rallying now if i'm right
LP640ROADSTERdk 3 years ago 3
yes they are allowed, but it would be stupid because now we all know that the machine is now faster then the human mind, in fact sequential gearboxes are faster than mnanual gearboxes, so it's easier for te pilote to drive, andit's faster, so i think teams that would not use that technology would be rapidly be ou of the game.. !
themag221 2 years ago
@themag221
Personally, I think with todays technology, and safety, that Group B cars would be easy enough, if you were to put 660BHP in a WRC car with about 700ft/lb of torque, it would cause the same sensation as the Group B cars did back then. I know atm, money is tight but when the recession ends I think it's a good idea. Like, Henri Toivonen drove a much faster car than Latvala, and their big crashes were about the same, only Latvala's car was much safer than Henri's.
MichaelTheSilageMan 1 year ago
@xtc327 WRC is faster than group B, but group B is by far the best an most exciting shame it will never happen again, thank fuck for youtube :-)
mellowyellow666 6 months ago
wat year was it ?? the final year of Gb
humanhunta 3 years ago
1986
henkkaS4 3 years ago
Ey wasn't the Porsche 959 in the B group?
Monopoly909 3 years ago
well, it was built the group b 959, thats true, but it never raced any rally in group b (only pariz - dakar) So, the answer is actually yes and no =)
henkkaS4 3 years ago
And it got first place doing so.
McLarenF1God 3 years ago
awesome!!
RgierCS 3 years ago
una verdad que no se puede esconder tantos accidentes que sucedieron
creation91 3 years ago
.... Great video....
frenkrgv 3 years ago
group B is da best omfg beatyfll vid.
Shoots9 3 years ago
senza parole...stupendo...
zelucas8787 3 years ago
Nicely done, great editing. This was such a remarkable period in motorsport, it's hard to believe it was 20+ years ago...
rustycuyler 3 years ago
Ho la pelle d'oca e sono 40°C... Bellissimo video, complimenti!
piri229 3 years ago
great editing.
PELLAPELLA 3 years ago 2
Grupo B... Nunca volveremos a ver algo asi...
Pavlosio 3 years ago 7
tienes toda la razon
tifosi46 3 years ago
triste pero cierto
ximorratope85 3 years ago
english
humanhunta 3 years ago
mamma mia che registrazione....henri e sergio sono usciti....fermate le partenze....chiamate i pompieri....ma sono dentro o fuori???? mamma mia i brividi....
rivolichiosco 3 years ago
Very nice video!
Deivizcastro 3 years ago
I witnessed the derrangement that went through everyone that year here in Portugal. I remember Markku saying, about the Lancia, that it was a "car that had no straights, ounce you're out of a corner you're into the next one". I cried when I heard Henri had died. Never again will there be such power on an common road.
viggen73 3 years ago
excellent
Nismo2868 3 years ago
whats the name of that song
bangerke 3 years ago
Music:
* Immediate Music
* S&G - Bridge over troubled water
ozdrift94 3 years ago
dear pedronetodasilva in 3.04 the best group b driver is dead...HENRI TOIVONEN
filosofos13 3 years ago
what happend at 3.04 in this video????
pedronetodasilva 3 years ago
Very well made video
jpspider 3 years ago
5 stars [*] ;(
SarenWRC 3 years ago
Absolutely stunning video.
jamesevanhenry 3 years ago
i love motorsport so much and
specially rally
and if i speak about rally. everybody thinks about the group b. i'm just 15 years old. i've never saw them drive. but i've seen a lot of movies about those rally class. it was just fantastic. they were the monsters of the 80's. there were no other cars who were better than them. it was just magnifisant. i dream every day that group b joins back into rally. but i think that thats never gonna happen.
bangerke 3 years ago
intense racing, the cars were incredible, the worlds best drivers racing the worlds best, machines,
the voices tht start bout 3mins in say tht the lancia driven by HENRI TOIVONEN had crashed and exploded, the drivers were still in the car and to stop all other cars, also a different voice says for all martini lancia's are to return to service
the car went of the road going to fast into a turn, understeered and hit the trees, then it jst exploded, the only thing left was a crumpled chasis
BritishTouringCars 3 years ago 4
There's no defining reason for his accident, though it's more or less proved that understeer was obsolete.
Josti88 3 years ago
I heard some where he was avoiding a crowd..... i think group b should be reinstrated but with croud control
shaqthatwontbitebac 3 years ago 3
Yes! there is lots of ppl who likes to see group B back! Croud control needs atenttion, and what i like to see is the old sideways driving style. Its not the fastest way around corners but needs more skill and much more entertaimin for the croud. Driver needs to make the car, not computers and all that shit.
M0T0RCRAFT 3 years ago 2
i agree
PELLAPELLA 3 years ago 2
great video
alexchainho 3 years ago
exelent clip, where is the ling for this HQ download?
Kevin72836 3 years ago
T16 forever!
rottwlucky 3 years ago
these cars will never leav my mind
lurken22 3 years ago
A Masterpiece ! Thx for the HQ-Download Link!
xxxLUCOxxx 3 years ago
Can't you upload that to rapidshare? megaupload does not work for us brazilians
thanks :)
Polaris502 3 years ago
Amazing Cars! Un-fucking-believable brilliant drivers!! Astonishing Hardcore fans!!!
Good all days, group A doesn't have any of that.
okodorifuto 3 years ago 2
Wasn't Ferrari originally developing the 288 GTO for group B? I thought I heard something aboot that..
turbolover175 3 years ago
yes it was.
collo1980 3 years ago
yeah i have the burago car (you know the ones i mean) i have the model =]
moose6996 3 years ago
i always wanted to see the accident of the RS200 in Portugal..
some people died, dozens were hurted..
i finally barelly saw it in this video :(
for me Group B are the best racing cars ever made but.. that's sad..
MemphisDrift 3 years ago
there was another huge crash with the lancia delta which also led to the eventful ban of group B
moose6996 3 years ago
yep
i heard that too
but i never saw any video about it...
i heard the S4 exploded in a frontal crash
MemphisDrift 3 years ago
i wonder if they will ever bring group back?
HitMan1263 3 years ago
unfortunatelly, believe me..
they will never bring it back.. :(
MemphisDrift 3 years ago
its still banned but we get round it sort of by doing "displays" and "demos" with grp b cars :)
RUSSRTOC 3 years ago
c triste de finir comme çà ils resteront tous dans nos mémoires, homage à Toivonen et à tous les autres.
facenords 3 years ago
hi was a great driver.
santatrixer 3 years ago
Nejlepší group B.. , s tím se nedá nic srovnávat prostě best of..
Jjendaaaa 3 years ago
4EVER GroupB!!!!!H.Toivonen legend!!RESPECT!!
Bobathori90 3 years ago
I have heard that when group B rally cars were competing against formula one car in F1-track, that those, f1 and group b cars, were quite equal. bad english. I know...
juudo 3 years ago
On the same length a group b car was only 4 seconds slower. Mind you the group b car was on gravel and the F1 on a normal track.
I would love a drive a group b car, though I would probably kill myself within 20 seconds
JCGver 3 years ago 4
well made video very enjoyable,legendary cars.....the godfathers of rallying
most6wanted 4 years ago
toivonenhan sano et "ennemmin tai myöhemmin joku kuski kuolee" kuoli sit ite ;(
Jonnez8 4 years ago
best car best kind of life....group b live in my heart...
GASTA6666 4 years ago 6
woooooooooooow!...
8senatur8 4 years ago 3
Great video. Great tribute to Group B. Congratulations
audi4s1 4 years ago 2
thx for upload. Quality stuff, these cars were the dogs bollocks..
Cantona1974 4 years ago
Great job!
Great Years of the rallying...are never come back :(
Enjoy my clip "rallying with martini"
sprajt1 4 years ago
Lancia team Martini was the king of the age
dodofuut 4 years ago 4
i ws<a there!
HerrVorragend8 4 years ago
those car were the speed revolution...and ever will be in the memoery of people.....group b monster on track...
youcanwinx 4 years ago 4
I find this part of the video very sad.
Enzo1050 4 years ago
At 2:58 there is a radio sequence with a man talking, and it ends at 03:48. Can anyone tell me what this is about please?
Enzo1050 4 years ago
PS: I forgot something. This video is awesome, and I have just rated it 5 stars! Good job Josti!
Enzo1050 4 years ago 2
It's about when Henri "Henkka" Toivonen crashed his Lancia Turbo delta & burned to death in it. No one knows exactly what happened, but it ended group B. The car was nothing more then mangled and burned steel. It was as devastating a moment to group B fans as was the dead of Senna to F1 fans.
EVOVIIIARGT1300JR 4 years ago
I worked in motorsport at the time I wasn't there but a friend was servicing for another team in the service area before the accident and the car was leaking avgas into the rear and Toivonen was so affected by the fumes he got into Markku Alen's car during the service believing it was his car ,the stage after that service was when the car exploded before leaving the road ,Lancia cheat(avgas),they should never of been allowed to leave the service area with fuel leaking into the car.
spudflake 4 years ago 3
did Toivonen have angina?
shaqthatwontbitebac 3 years ago
it's something about a car fire, and to stop the race, call the firefighters and also as u can see the man sounds very disperate maybe bacause the crash was very bad
dbl84 4 years ago
super video, congratulations.
Piromanu 4 years ago 4
good vid... i would have liked more of the cars as a sound track.
but well done!
n204u 4 years ago
great movie! banning group B was one of the best decissions made by FIA (FISA) Henri, Sergio and everyone who got killed by this machines R.I.P
kurpiyta 4 years ago
The question is--has anyone learned from this,the problem is technology advances faster than those in charge. The autosport rules community needs to get up to speed with crowd control and safety measures.
TheRealInvaderZim 4 years ago 2
amazing video. 5 stars
Celtisback 4 years ago
fucking awesome racing...fucking awesome video.
cavalier82 4 years ago
Great job 5 Stars
staberv8 4 years ago
could you make an english translation? you know for all the important-sounding talk going on?
turchenko 4 years ago
I have a rough translation of the Toivonen interview in the discription box. Before the Corsica part, it's Markku Alén talking about the Corsican event that year.
Josti88 4 years ago
so then what's that frantic radio conversation about?
turchenko 4 years ago
Oh yeah sorry. It's the radio contact between Tiziano Siviero (codriver of Biasion) on the spot where Henri crashed and the Lancia camp in Ajaccio. Siviero calling for a fire department cause Henri's car exploded. Fiorio asked if they where out of the car, but he couldn't tell. At the end they say, "Whole Lancia team, return to Ajaccio".
Josti88 4 years ago
k thanks
turchenko 4 years ago
if only there had of been marshalls about back then....then fucking portugal wudnt of banned group B.....everybody knoew an accident was going 2 happen, all crowding around the track, just really pisses me off! Im sure you guys feel the same!
scullzy77led 4 years ago
i don't think it was portugal, it was the corsica rally where the accident happened killing Henri and Sergio.
zareff 4 years ago
Excellent video, It expresses exactly, what I feel about group B...
The best cars, best drivers, competition, knowledge, concentration, maximum, death, impossible...
PvMikhail 4 years ago 7
Very nice vid !!! group b is the best ! what was the name of the songs ?
Fanatikern91 4 years ago
they are not paramedics...they are two commisioners and cesare fiorio
edobrycks 4 years ago
the moment of the communication between the commissioners and the paramedics is from shivers... it makes to freeze the blood
torodelafuente 4 years ago
il momento delle comunicazioni fra gli uomini in elicottero e il parco assistenza è da pelle d'oca....
torodelafuente 4 years ago
Big Joost... big!
torsen88 4 years ago
this is really great editing, amazing, id love to see these things in action for like a memorial to the car and the drivers of the age of these things. absolutely awesome.
Shinc1 4 years ago
10+ Fantastic video, great editing. Especially loved switching through different cars in the same shots. Great work. Could use some original sound though ;)
menoy36 4 years ago
what was happening at 3:20. did he hit someone and keep going?
caboose1320 4 years ago
henri toivonen and his co-driver fell really bad and died during this run.
mejte 4 years ago
AWESOME!
the first video i dont miss the 'group B sound'.
great job! keep it up!
mejte 4 years ago
gr8 vid man.
frederickt 4 years ago
Listen mate, you're counting peanuts. In the turbo era fuel tank size and boost was restricted and mid race refuelling banned so it became a fuel economy championship. By the last season of turbo engines they ran only 2.5 Bar boost (down from 4 Bar) and 150 litre fuel tanks = about 850hp. They now run 900hp! Restrictions were phased in over 4 years, they didn't just kill the category on less than 12 months notice like with Group B.
tsport100 4 years ago
Josti another great vid! i love them all...certainly a sad note on the loss of the great henri toivonen, it is impressive, as quoted before, that HT said that driving these cars was impossible.
for any of the rally fans out there, do you know what were henri toivonen's racing numbers? besides the cursed number 4 with which he died?
bmontesdeoca 4 years ago
Well, at that time, they raced with different numbers every Rally. Besides 4, his most famous are probably his winning numbers like 7 at the Monte Carlo, 6 at RAC '85 and 16 at RAC 1980. But If you want a list of all his starting numbers, I can pm it to you.
Josti88 4 years ago
that'll be great, thanks a lot!
bmontesdeoca 4 years ago
Just wondering, but who are the three drivers at the 1:00 mark?
kevatcrewe 4 years ago
Podium finishers of the '86 Monte. In front it's Timo Salonen (2nd), all behind is Hannu Mikkola (3td) and winner Henri Toivonen in the middle.
Josti88 4 years ago
thanks,josti88!:)
now I can listen to it in my car
TomasBellof 4 years ago
Amazing video, just wish I'd been able to see these cars and drivers first hand.
DriverWillUK 4 years ago
BTW my theory on why Gr B was banned so suddenly had more to do with Bernie Eccelstone and F1 being made to look pedestrian and loosing manufactures than how dangerous Gp B was. Drivers diw in F1 and the entire formula doesn't get banned! GrA almost killed rallying, and I'm sure that was the FIAs idea at the time.
tsport100 4 years ago
Yes, FIA looked too much at F1 (Still does) and as a panic reaction, it banned Group B. Group A had a slow start yes, but it picked up in the early 90's.
Josti88 4 years ago
Don't you think the FIA should put a limit of 300 Bhp on F1 cars also? Rally is restricted to the same power level as F3. In fact, it seems every formula OTHER than F1 has to run an air restrictor.
tsport100 4 years ago
tsport100,
The reason rally is limited to 300bhp is because they run in a surrounding that has none of the safety standards that are in F1.
nv821 4 years ago
It was pretty obvious at the time (1986) that F1 felt threatened! (Maybe ur 2 young 2 remember) They set up an FIA World Touring Car championship that was cancelled after just 1 year. Bernie's Brabham F1team built an Alfa Romeo (look up 164 procar on YouTube) V10 proto type demo car as a suggestion for a circuit racing 'silhouette' formula to rival Group B. (Bernie owned the global TV rights to F1). The FIA, who control both series, killed GpB and replaced with the equivalent to today's Gp N.
tsport100 4 years ago
If you can tell me that what was done to slow F1 cars after Aytron Senna died (ah NOT MUCH) and what happened to Rallying after Henri Toivonen died are equal (what equated to busting Grand Prix cars down to F3 cars) I'd say you don't know what you're talking about Mate.
tsport100 4 years ago
What an utter bullshit tsport100. Group B was banned and cars slowed down AND same happened to F1. The F1 cars were too fast and they were killing drivers left and right, FIA slowed down F1, just as with WRC.
nv821 4 years ago
You call 900hp F1 cars 'slowed down' do you? what a joke. They actually race with more HP now than in the Turbo era where-as Rally has half what the HP they had in Gp B. Other than engine capacity and a 19,000 Rpm limit, F1 is unlimited. They try to limit engine power by making the teams use them for 2 races... LOL what a joke.
tsport100 4 years ago
They don't race with more horsepower now. Turbos were banned from F1 in 1989 as the cars became too fast for the tracks. The '80s are called the Turbo era in F1 and cars had up to 1400 bhp in qualifying trim. Now in V8 the have about 800bhp I think. Few years ago they were up to 950 bhp, but further rule changes have brought the horsepower figures down again.
nv821 4 years ago
Brilliant! I own most of the Group B videos in this video and the editing to the sound track is epic.
Just wait till Rally cars go EV, group B will be reinvented.
tsport100 4 years ago
i am not a fan of cars but group b was awesome thanks for the video
Brassarn 4 years ago
group b, i miss you.
ajhow 4 years ago
sad they got band, but it was getting out of hand, great video.
kevdrifter 4 years ago
great video!thanks!what's the name of the final music,please!:)
TomasBellof 4 years ago
Thanks,
Last song is: Immediate Music - Speed this!
Josti88 4 years ago
Eerie to hear Henri Toivonen say at Corsica that "you can't drive races like these"
Sturmfallos 4 years ago
Glory to heroes !
arapis77 4 years ago
yeh good job, love the video
ripbestie 4 years ago
Very good! For me, some cuts are too short, but otherwise it's great! I know it must have been a lot of work!
cossworth 4 years ago
My sweetness tear for you... For yours...
Andrea185 4 years ago
this video should be avalible on DVD world wide !!! 5 STARS !!! Perfect !!!
xxxLUCOxxx 4 years ago
Of course againe great video Josti.Toivonen alwayse in our hearth R.I.P
tiho86 4 years ago
great video guy, thanks!!
alikuenkas 4 years ago
Amazing, Well done.
JoaoM67 4 years ago
great vid dramatic just like group b well done
ajhow 4 years ago