I tried three times to post the link to Todd Haynes incredible debut: Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story. It will not post. You can google Todd Haynes: Karen Carpenter and find the link. It's worth the effort.
Definitely the best biopic I've ever seen (ironically using Barbie dolls as actors). Way better than the crappy made-for-TV-movie about Karen Carpenter, that's for sure.
Thanks for this. I saw it in an english class in college and was afraid I'd never see it again. Most of the class cried - a movie casted with dolls made us, a class of working adults, cry. Incredible.
oh blimey that scream scared the heck out of me!!! first kcmo and now this I gotta put up with THIS?! Sorry but this seems more like a horror movie, than a docu-movie! I'm outta here:(!!!
When the camera zooms into the faces of the dolls, I get really freaked out.
Other than that, why did the creepy music start and a lady fell into a pile of women's bodies? I really didn't understand that part, along with the small explanation of that one freaky scene. Can someone explain, in an even simpler form, what just happened there? Thanks :)
OMG, around 5:30 while in the record co. office, are those freak'n peppermint Lifesavers on the wall, representing gold records? LOL. I am totally opposed to government censorship of any kind, but might make an exception for this movie. BTW, I thought this was "banned"? Isn't the poster "Break'n the Law, Break'n the Law!"? Breaking Copyright & Federal law/gag order I add? I'm tell'n. Yousa in deep doo-doo!
This is Fucking AWESOME!!! I've been wanting to see it for YEARS; I can't believe it wasn't the very FIRST thing I tried to look up on the first day I got Internet service!!
I like parts of this very much I but thought the actress who played Karen was a bit wooden and stiff, I realize she came off that way in interviews but in reality she was more animated and full of life.
this is sick why does it have to be aimed at karen and you shouldnt slag people off who arent here to fend their selves and karen is not a barbie doll shes a human being with an illness that went a bit to far that doesnt mean she was a bad person and its people like them who make people feel insuure about their selves and that when they start losing weight by starving their selfves ause they want to be perfet but may i say somert all you that make people feel insurure your not perfect either
@ghettomomma719 hi. i dont get how mattel managed to sue them. Surely if you buy the doll you become the owner of it, and you can do whatever you want with it, dress it how you want, display it where you want or pull it to bits if you want. Its not intellectual property or a live thing, so i really dont get it how they won todd haynes?
Thank you for posting this. I had it on videotape years ago but lost it somewhere along the way. Great stuff. Haynes is brilliant. If you want something really in your face try "Poison".
No se porque me gusta tanto como canta, en 1983 Yo tenia 16 años, y no se en que momento empece a escuchar carpentes, pero una verdadera pena que no la hayan podido ayudar, sin dudas increible voz. Alex magic, Buenos Aires Argentina
anorexia. anorexia is serious. but barbie dolls are not. this is called irony. wit. cleverness. and a good way to make a low budget. film. up yours non believers of Todd Haynes. put it up your bum.
I don't think he lacked taste, The dolls were meant to convey a serious message about fame, family, dreams and self image, What do dolls represent to us:childrens play things. These are human like inanimate objects and that is how the famous are viewed by many of us; not real and lacking real problems. But her story is too heartbreaking, and her voice is too brilliant no matter what distants you're able to put yourself from it through its lack of "real" actors, she animates this film.
ok this is so sad making fun of what happed to her . By making doll's tell her story . How sick can you be come on !. She deserve's more credit than that .
She was the singer of the group The Carpenters, who had a most original, haunting voice that will never ever be imitated. She died of anorexia nervosa/bulimia that she dealt with most of her adult life.
I've never met or heard of Karen Carpenter, but for someone to re-create a scene about a person they've never even met before is just.... I don't know. It's as if the producer thinks they understand what happened without actually being there. It all feels fake and dishonorable.
Media-wise it's probably invigorating for some people for the producer to keep the memory of this Karen alive, but by how it's done feels like an insult.
Count me among the people who feel this is a brilliant work of art. I saw this when it came out, at the San Francisco Art Institute (I think it was) in 1988. I think you either get it or you don't. To me it mixes pathos and dark humor in a way that speaks in more vibrant tones than the movie of the week version of the same story (which I saw as well). Oh, I have had eating disorders, so don't call me insensitive to people who do.
No wonder why there was a cease and desist. It's like watching someone badly reenact something with barbie dolls. How could anyone create a film like that and want it to be taken seriously. I'd be pissed if I was related to someone famous who died and they made a documentary with malibu barbie. Just seems sort of tacky to me, I wouldn't want apart in a project like that either, even if the thought behind it was genuine.
You're wrong, on so many levels. The C&D was, at least ostensibly, about licensing the music, but actually because the movie portrayed the Carpenter family (except for Karen) in a very bad light, and Richard didn't like that.
And Barbie is sort of a Platonic ideal of the female form. Considering Karen's body image issues, I think it's inspired.
How am I wrong? I stated my opinion, you stated yours. You're entitled to think what you want and I am entitled to think what I want. I think it looks stupid.
I get the whole Barbie thing is supposed to represent stereotype on female body image. I still think it is cheap looking and if it was my family member I wouldn't want them portrayed like that either. That's just my opinion.
This is real life stuff, people die from anorexia and, well. I have it. And Karen was a wonderful person (: I look up to her so, so much. And It's sad she died young.
Pretty good film, but I can see why it will never be legally released. Between the Carpenter and Captain & Tenielle music, news footage, Brady Bunch and David Cassidy clips, etc, this film is a clearance nightmare.
1-2-2010. Ain't it fine? Todd and Garielle Cateris are both 49. Happy Birthday and Happy New Year, Todd. You have come a long way since 1985 with Assassins: A Story Concerining Rimbaud. I am looking forward to your seeing your current project, Mildred Pierce.
I remember when this came out in the 80s & all of the controversy that ensued. It was on Entertainment Tonight for weeks as Mary Hart & John Tesh questioned whether or not it was poor taste or a brilliant work of art. I was middle of the road. I was in h.s. @ the time & it sure made me look @ my old Barbie Dolls differently that's for sure. I, too, thought it was creepy, yet I couldn't take my eyes off of it. I found the rest online, but I can't remember the name of the website where I found it.
@robynsegg: UPDATE: I found my DL of it. I did get it from YT in it's entirety, but I doubt the whole 45 minute upload is still there. I think you can only find it in parts.
Dolls! That's it! The cast is nothin' but dolls! Heavens to murgatroid...no wonder there didn't seem to be much flexiblitly to their movements! Hmmm....I wonder if this director would have done "Saving Private Ryan" with GI Joes??? :)
i remember the first time i saw this i thought i'd be a dark comedy, with the use of comparing Karen Carpenter to a barbie doll, but its actually pretty depressing...and bizare
Media focuses too much on the appearance and less on the character. That is why most women are conscious with their appearance because people made the impression that 'beautiful' is only for those with the 36-24-36 stats. We set the wrong beauty standards, we are blinded by the curves that we haven't seen the true nature of all things. This woman has one of the greatest voices and her songs still echo everywhere. Dangerous is the vanity of man.
This is the CREEPIEST thing I have ever seen in my entire life. It has some sort of Dark touch on the film, and the whole Karen incident was portrayed super negatively. She was a good artist. I love her... Her songs still reign until now.
Richard Carpenter is so foolish to block this. It is the only movie I have ever seen that has the power to impact girls who actually suffer from eating disorders.
The use of Barbie dolls is the filmmaker's statement about how obsession with body perfection - which is reinforced by the overly perfect Barbie doll - leads to eating disorders that killed Karen.
I don't know nor do I really care whether Richard Carpenter is gay. What I do object to is the allegation that being "alleged" or insinuated to be gay is an insult or defamation of character. Why is being thought of as gay to be labeled as slander? What a narrow-minded society we live in (in the US).
well, yes, I am gay, so I don't care. But, that's not the point. What I don't like is when people assume that everyone is heterosexual, just like being assumed to be Christian, able-bodied, etc. I don't like being imposed on by other people's unconsidered assumptions.
OK, I like the use of dolls because it was concept that was new that attracted my attention, the quality was awdul, I hope the original film's was better, but I imagine it did depict a lot of the character's in a poor light, but how did it imply the RICHARD CARPENTER WAS GAY?
This was done in very bad taste. These two people were very talented and to portray them this way is very heartless. The Autobiography in the ninety's was better. She only did two movies that one and short circuit 2. But she was a good actress.
no it wasn't...the whole idea of using Barbie Dolls was used because they are unnaturally skinny like Katen Carpenter was and because they give young girls an unnaturally, and unhealthy image of themselves of how they think they should look. I lost a teacher who had a heart attack because of this world wide problem of annorexia.
the reason for the dolls was to show that the Barbie dolls who look anorexic falsely give an image to young girls of what they should look like...it isn't that hard to figure it out.
The girl you are talking about is very talented and I make comments on everything I like. The girl is on track I think to become famous one day! She's talented, and very beautiful - who wouldn't want to be mom to such a special kid! No not her mom - I wish!
So sad to lose such a fantastic person and voice; like an angel! I found young girl who sounds a bit like Karen on Youtube Joanna Lauren - she sang Superstar and Close to you.
I just heard a teen on Youtube Joannalaurensings that sounds fantastic! OMG she sings a couple of Carpenter songs and you should go and listen! Only 17 but Lord what a voice!
Well, It was actually corporate Amerikkka in the shape of toymanufacturer Mattell who pulled the plug on KCS.
The Carpenters actually supported this and the film was championed bySonic Youth (who hired Haynes to shoot videos) and the family gave SY Karens goldplated microphone for their cover version. It's great to see this up but point your finger at the owners of this site who are also the owners of the recordlabel and Mattel who stopped this. Soon this will be taken down....
Wrong. You need to do more research. Richard Carpenter fought to get this movie pulled and sued for copyright infringement of the music. He also hated the film because it painted the family in such a bad light.,.not to mention insinuating he was gay.
Yes, the family was portrayed in a bad light, and Karen was nearly sanctified. But I'm not sure at all she was that "innocent victim" and "angel" as they try to portray her. She by herself wasn't perfect.
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I hated the Carpenter's music--elevator music with a twist. It was never music to my ears, even as a kid. This was kind of a stupid waste of youtube space if you ask me. Dolls? Gawd how stupid!
Shinefra, I don't think the point was to help people with anorexia, nor to joke about it. Rather, it's a tongue-in-cheek homage to one of Haynes' idols, Karen Carpenter. He's made several films about the musical icons of the '70s -- see also Velvet Goldmine and I'm Not There.
this is a mockery to karen carpenters rememberance im not watcjing a patcy drama like this i imagine richard and family are getting another family got a backhander,they took all her control away,that's why she bacame anorexic the bastards.Imagine they are alive and she died because of them.TRUTH.
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Lame movies... ther'es a chilean production of jem episodes starring jem dolls, are a lot better than this... When the movie try to be "spooky" it just end beign cartoonish, also the camera it's moving all the time, bad, bad, bad
I am a major Karen fan and have been dying to see this take on her story. This is an excellent snippet. Would love to see it in its entirety. It´s genius!
This was actually very ahead of it's time, love it or hate it. And Todd Haynes is incredibly gifted even if his themes sometimes get a bit tedious. But you cant discount the importance of his work or dismiss it, as some here seem to. Groundbreaking stuff in those stifling boring 80's and I have a feeling some of these comments are from the young, oblivious and callow...
This movie is horrifying. I have already gotten my fill on this. I am not watching it. It is inaccurate and tacky! SOMEBODY has a little TOO much time on their hands. WOW!!
A rather inferior, half-ass film that people got excited for some reason. Most of it simply replays the songs. There is some psychobabble regarding someone the director never met. And precious little else. How does Haynes know what happened? Was he there?
Who was mislead? It's a movie made with dolls, ffs. Anyone who would watch this expecting it to be a factual account shouldn't be seeing it in the first place.
First off, I watched this whole thing somewhat enjoyed it.
However, I don't feel good about this. This is a sad story posing as a spoof. Can someone justify the use of dolls?
mohinderbauer 2 weeks ago
INCREDIBLE FILM. Moved me to tears.
TheArsenalgooner 2 weeks ago
I'm sorry but I couldn't take this movie seriously when they broke out barbie dolls.
mellie9227 3 weeks ago
Are the events depicted in this fictionalized or is it based on what actually happened/what people suspect happened?
lufflyness 3 months ago
This movie is FUCKED UP
metronomic1 4 months ago
@metronomic1 Just wondering - did you watch the WHOLE THING?
Antaeus494 2 months ago
Was "Creepy A&M Guy" (doll) supposed to be Herb Alpert?
Mantronixxx 4 months ago
@Mantronixxx Sadly yes
1Cheytown 3 months ago
Creepy A & M guy (Doll) LMFAO
Nceron 6 months ago in playlist Movies and Shows
I tried three times to post the link to Todd Haynes incredible debut: Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story. It will not post. You can google Todd Haynes: Karen Carpenter and find the link. It's worth the effort.
mrshiggs1 7 months ago
spooky!
theburpingqueen 7 months ago
Definitely the best biopic I've ever seen (ironically using Barbie dolls as actors). Way better than the crappy made-for-TV-movie about Karen Carpenter, that's for sure.
rabidrabbitshuggers 7 months ago
i've totally driven by that house. kinda eerie.
omgfaglolz 7 months ago 2
such an interesting mise en scene. haynes's choice of using dolls comments on the content perfectly.
BubblesMcBibbles 8 months ago in playlist carpenters
I love Todd Haynes! He does such a good job making unique films!
clibac 8 months ago in playlist carpenters
This is really good!
strumphyy 9 months ago
Thank you for that account, DeborahSueWho.
MissyHolland 10 months ago
Thanks for this. I saw it in an english class in college and was afraid I'd never see it again. Most of the class cried - a movie casted with dolls made us, a class of working adults, cry. Incredible.
deborahsuewho 10 months ago 4
Thanks for this. I saw it in an english class in college and was afraid I'd never see it again.
deborahsuewho 10 months ago
Methinks a lot of people commenting on this miss the point...
DontGoQuietly 11 months ago
Amazing! I am so inspired! Love it!
NotYourFriendComics 1 year ago
This is giving me the creeps
dirtylarry69 1 year ago 4
How stupid, I thought it was a real movie.
judewishedhimselfout 1 year ago
What a fucking steaming pile of shit.
BaronVonPenguin 1 year ago
This is brilliant. I love Karen and I love Todd Haynes.
chthonic19 1 year ago
oh blimey that scream scared the heck out of me!!! first kcmo and now this I gotta put up with THIS?! Sorry but this seems more like a horror movie, than a docu-movie! I'm outta here:(!!!
cyphrinfinity 1 year ago
Needs a remake, in the style of" " Team America"
ralahinn1 1 year ago
the staring scared me like hell
everawsome 1 year ago
i watched 5 minutes. not gonna continue, the use of dolls just kills it. seriously.
wowowonderland 1 year ago
When the camera zooms into the faces of the dolls, I get really freaked out.
Other than that, why did the creepy music start and a lady fell into a pile of women's bodies? I really didn't understand that part, along with the small explanation of that one freaky scene. Can someone explain, in an even simpler form, what just happened there? Thanks :)
aibanez123 1 year ago
OMG, around 5:30 while in the record co. office, are those freak'n peppermint Lifesavers on the wall, representing gold records? LOL. I am totally opposed to government censorship of any kind, but might make an exception for this movie. BTW, I thought this was "banned"? Isn't the poster "Break'n the Law, Break'n the Law!"? Breaking Copyright & Federal law/gag order I add? I'm tell'n. Yousa in deep doo-doo!
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Amazing movie...recomended film..watching it for fr33 at Free Movie Zone . n e t
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This was a pretty good movie.I recommend this movie as I watched at Free Movie Zone . n e t
fujinu89 1 year ago
"wholesome is in" Especially love the A&M meeting.
ZippyClips 1 year ago
i think using the dolls is STUPID,
ashvariety 1 year ago
This is Fucking AWESOME!!! I've been wanting to see it for YEARS; I can't believe it wasn't the very FIRST thing I tried to look up on the first day I got Internet service!!
LeshaAnn 1 year ago
This makes me cry....
allanfisch 1 year ago
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TheGmgirl77 1 year ago
so much for artistic license. i wanna sue too!!
ThePolkadotbikini 1 year ago
@ThePolkadotbikini ... LOOSER
trancis36 1 year ago
its art.
jiminykrooked 1 year ago
Todd Haynes = Genius.
SoylentGreenISHUNGRY 1 year ago
got to much time on ur hands
8674093 1 year ago
I have heard about this years and years ago, and I finally decided to sit down and watch it. I loved it!
whatuswattingat 1 year ago
I like parts of this very much I but thought the actress who played Karen was a bit wooden and stiff, I realize she came off that way in interviews but in reality she was more animated and full of life.
thirdunkle 1 year ago
this is sick why does it have to be aimed at karen and you shouldnt slag people off who arent here to fend their selves and karen is not a barbie doll shes a human being with an illness that went a bit to far that doesnt mean she was a bad person and its people like them who make people feel insuure about their selves and that when they start losing weight by starving their selfves ause they want to be perfet but may i say somert all you that make people feel insurure your not perfect either
cookiebook1 1 year ago
this is sik u all need to get a ife x
cookiebook1 1 year ago
I saw this in Art school, so well done!
Doofball3 1 year ago 3
ah... ok. wtf, MATTEL SUE EM!!
ghettomomma719 1 year ago
@ghettomomma719 hi. i dont get how mattel managed to sue them. Surely if you buy the doll you become the owner of it, and you can do whatever you want with it, dress it how you want, display it where you want or pull it to bits if you want. Its not intellectual property or a live thing, so i really dont get it how they won todd haynes?
eclecticfire73 1 year ago
Thank you for posting this. I had it on videotape years ago but lost it somewhere along the way. Great stuff. Haynes is brilliant. If you want something really in your face try "Poison".
fujimo 1 year ago
we watched this today in my film class
armassmann 1 year ago
Art Institute of Chicago has a copy of this movie. That's about the only place I know where it can be seen.
mvardaman 1 year ago
I wish It was better quality...I felt I missed a lot of important details because it was so dark.
But, brilliant idea.
fabbrunette 1 year ago
No se porque me gusta tanto como canta, en 1983 Yo tenia 16 años, y no se en que momento empece a escuchar carpentes, pero una verdadera pena que no la hayan podido ayudar, sin dudas increible voz. Alex magic, Buenos Aires Argentina
alexmagic5 1 year ago
Fuck you people shit me no end...with your sad little sorry want to be movies
jazzboy100 1 year ago
anorexia. anorexia is serious. but barbie dolls are not. this is called irony. wit. cleverness. and a good way to make a low budget. film. up yours non believers of Todd Haynes. put it up your bum.
lorenkennedy 1 year ago
@lorenkennedy barbie dolls are not serious? tell it to mattel, fool.
bogohoboho 1 year ago
i am so disappointed in video...
light0629 1 year ago
Todd Haynes has always been a genius and I so love his work. This is one of the most beautiful films I ever saw.
alessandrotinchini 1 year ago 2
Look, I found this ridiculous movie! For me it is a lack of respect for the memory of Karen!
Note 0 for you!
claudiaearte 1 year ago
Is Richard a homosexual?
Discuss!
mrspatrickcampbell 1 year ago
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Karen was SO annoying! What a tiresome fish, her voice sounded like a fingernail on a chalkboard!
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Mizvictor07 1 year ago
Im giving serious thought to remaking this, for the 40/40 years of Carpenters,
I am looking for fans for voices of the 'cast' please message me if your interested
ogyy345 1 year ago
I don't think he lacked taste, The dolls were meant to convey a serious message about fame, family, dreams and self image, What do dolls represent to us:childrens play things. These are human like inanimate objects and that is how the famous are viewed by many of us; not real and lacking real problems. But her story is too heartbreaking, and her voice is too brilliant no matter what distants you're able to put yourself from it through its lack of "real" actors, she animates this film.
christophertom1 1 year ago 22
@christophertom1 I only wish I could have said it as well as you...well done.
kangfesher 1 year ago
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Very tasteless. Richard Carpenter had this banned from any kind of broadcast and yet disrespectful idiots put it on You Tube. I hope you get sued.
VIEWTUBE00000 1 year ago
ok this is so sad making fun of what happed to her . By making doll's tell her story . How sick can you be come on !. She deserve's more credit than that .
jensen895 1 year ago
DO you not understand how using the doll helps young girls not end up like her? Oh you wanna look like barbie..watch this.
Mizvictor07 1 year ago 35
@Mizvictor07 THAT'S THE POINT!! HELLO?
TheArsenalgooner 2 weeks ago
So sad...
Krichardvn94 1 year ago
okay, I "get" it, and actually enjoyed watching it. But that doesnt make it any less weird...
...and I have to ask- between 5:30 and 6:00, are those "Gold Records" on the wall actually LIFESAVERS???
mnmcv1 1 year ago
As someone who has no idea what is going on or what this is about let me just say I don't like it. What the hell is a "Karen Carpenter" anyway?
szoric 1 year ago
She was the singer of the group The Carpenters, who had a most original, haunting voice that will never ever be imitated. She died of anorexia nervosa/bulimia that she dealt with most of her adult life.
BCraingirl 1 year ago
I was making a joke in response to the previous comment.
szoric 1 year ago
OK....I don't get it, lol
BCraingirl 1 year ago
I don't get it either.
beckigreen 1 year ago
This is just so awful.
I've never met or heard of Karen Carpenter, but for someone to re-create a scene about a person they've never even met before is just.... I don't know. It's as if the producer thinks they understand what happened without actually being there. It all feels fake and dishonorable.
Media-wise it's probably invigorating for some people for the producer to keep the memory of this Karen alive, but by how it's done feels like an insult.
Ah well, nothing's for everyone.
ObscuroSknim1234 1 year ago
Count me among the people who feel this is a brilliant work of art. I saw this when it came out, at the San Francisco Art Institute (I think it was) in 1988. I think you either get it or you don't. To me it mixes pathos and dark humor in a way that speaks in more vibrant tones than the movie of the week version of the same story (which I saw as well). Oh, I have had eating disorders, so don't call me insensitive to people who do.
karaloyal 1 year ago
the parents arnt still alive! :P
SaryKinss 1 year ago
No wonder why there was a cease and desist. It's like watching someone badly reenact something with barbie dolls. How could anyone create a film like that and want it to be taken seriously. I'd be pissed if I was related to someone famous who died and they made a documentary with malibu barbie. Just seems sort of tacky to me, I wouldn't want apart in a project like that either, even if the thought behind it was genuine.
RainbowBrite87 1 year ago
You're wrong, on so many levels. The C&D was, at least ostensibly, about licensing the music, but actually because the movie portrayed the Carpenter family (except for Karen) in a very bad light, and Richard didn't like that.
And Barbie is sort of a Platonic ideal of the female form. Considering Karen's body image issues, I think it's inspired.
Fermatprime 1 year ago 3
How am I wrong? I stated my opinion, you stated yours. You're entitled to think what you want and I am entitled to think what I want. I think it looks stupid.
I get the whole Barbie thing is supposed to represent stereotype on female body image. I still think it is cheap looking and if it was my family member I wouldn't want them portrayed like that either. That's just my opinion.
RainbowBrite87 1 year ago
This is real life stuff, people die from anorexia and, well. I have it. And Karen was a wonderful person (: I look up to her so, so much. And It's sad she died young.
TinyModel2013 2 years ago
The first bit made me cry, i cannot watch the rest of it. :(
RIP Karen xxxxxxx
CarpentersFanForLife 2 years ago
saw this when i was very young
abcd12345 2 years ago
Pretty good film, but I can see why it will never be legally released. Between the Carpenter and Captain & Tenielle music, news footage, Brady Bunch and David Cassidy clips, etc, this film is a clearance nightmare.
bcanton 2 years ago
wth is this.........
Hi3380 2 years ago
1-2-2010. Ain't it fine? Todd and Garielle Cateris are both 49. Happy Birthday and Happy New Year, Todd. You have come a long way since 1985 with Assassins: A Story Concerining Rimbaud. I am looking forward to your seeing your current project, Mildred Pierce.
mkl62 2 years ago
I remember when this came out in the 80s & all of the controversy that ensued. It was on Entertainment Tonight for weeks as Mary Hart & John Tesh questioned whether or not it was poor taste or a brilliant work of art. I was middle of the road. I was in h.s. @ the time & it sure made me look @ my old Barbie Dolls differently that's for sure. I, too, thought it was creepy, yet I couldn't take my eyes off of it. I found the rest online, but I can't remember the name of the website where I found it.
robynsegg 2 years ago
@robynsegg: UPDATE: I found my DL of it. I did get it from YT in it's entirety, but I doubt the whole 45 minute upload is still there. I think you can only find it in parts.
robynsegg 2 years ago
What the....? Sorry, to people who like this, but :(, I can't watch the rest. Just wanted to say, is this a real movie?:S
BohemianButterfly11 2 years ago
This is some weird shit.
Especially the inclusion of Holocaust footage.
I will stick to the other Karen Carpenter film there is out...
Flaxxseed 2 years ago
this a insult to her death
rachaelwebster2009 2 years ago
Poor dead Karen Carpenter!
jrmindlesscom 2 years ago
classic!!!! todd has an amazing collection of work...if you like this, look for his other stuff!
irateyourvideo2 2 years ago 2
i adore this film. haynes is brilliant. and the sets are amazing!
kudos for helping to get this film out there!
tatonner 2 years ago
The performers in this movie seem awfully stiff....graduates of the "George Raft School of Acting" perhaps?
JubalCalif 2 years ago
It makes you wonder if they are dolls or something.
mysterywhiteboy45 2 years ago
Dolls! That's it! The cast is nothin' but dolls! Heavens to murgatroid...no wonder there didn't seem to be much flexiblitly to their movements! Hmmm....I wonder if this director would have done "Saving Private Ryan" with GI Joes??? :)
JubalCalif 2 years ago
i remember the first time i saw this i thought i'd be a dark comedy, with the use of comparing Karen Carpenter to a barbie doll, but its actually pretty depressing...and bizare
biotchgodless 2 years ago
what was in the closet
kayjay1196 2 years ago
karen carpenter.................dead
YankeeDoodlePoodle 2 years ago
Media focuses too much on the appearance and less on the character. That is why most women are conscious with their appearance because people made the impression that 'beautiful' is only for those with the 36-24-36 stats. We set the wrong beauty standards, we are blinded by the curves that we haven't seen the true nature of all things. This woman has one of the greatest voices and her songs still echo everywhere. Dangerous is the vanity of man.
As for the film, it's CREEPY! Love you Karen. :)
janram49 2 years ago
This is the CREEPIEST thing I have ever seen in my entire life. It has some sort of Dark touch on the film, and the whole Karen incident was portrayed super negatively. She was a good artist. I love her... Her songs still reign until now.
janram49 2 years ago
0_0 using dolls what a crock of crap
allycat360 2 years ago
Thank you for posting this. I saw this at the Castro Theater in SF MANY years ago.
fjjineptx 2 years ago
I've been looking for this forever! Thank you!!!
MisterChimpy 2 years ago
LOL this is some creepy shit, lol. You kids are young....and fresh....I was waiting for him to start laughing maniacally, boohahahaha!
DevilJosh4ever 2 years ago
I remember watching this in health class back in high school years ago!
jerlv9 2 years ago
Richard Carpenter is so foolish to block this. It is the only movie I have ever seen that has the power to impact girls who actually suffer from eating disorders.
karaloyal 2 years ago
love this soooomuch.. i cant believe it was banned thank you utube
jiminykrooked 2 years ago
LOL @ the dolls. what is this all about?
sussexking 2 years ago 7
The use of Barbie dolls is the filmmaker's statement about how obsession with body perfection - which is reinforced by the overly perfect Barbie doll - leads to eating disorders that killed Karen.
DCbuilder 2 years ago
I love that they use a model of the "Now and Then" album house as the backdrop!
dmarshallok 2 years ago
i feel so bad for her... especially because of her life long struggle
drewww16 2 years ago
I don't know nor do I really care whether Richard Carpenter is gay. What I do object to is the allegation that being "alleged" or insinuated to be gay is an insult or defamation of character. Why is being thought of as gay to be labeled as slander? What a narrow-minded society we live in (in the US).
WorcesterYid 2 years ago 3
what would you say if someone portrayed you as a gay (unless you are gay)?
hardcandy900 2 years ago 2
what would you say if someone portrayed you as straight (unless you are straight)?
tatonner 2 years ago
well, yes, I am gay, so I don't care. But, that's not the point. What I don't like is when people assume that everyone is heterosexual, just like being assumed to be Christian, able-bodied, etc. I don't like being imposed on by other people's unconsidered assumptions.
WorcesterYid 2 years ago
are those lifesaver platinum records?
chefjoeyrof 2 years ago
OK, I like the use of dolls because it was concept that was new that attracted my attention, the quality was awdul, I hope the original film's was better, but I imagine it did depict a lot of the character's in a poor light, but how did it imply the RICHARD CARPENTER WAS GAY?
sucrefancy16 2 years ago
This was done in very bad taste. These two people were very talented and to portray them this way is very heartless. The Autobiography in the ninety's was better. She only did two movies that one and short circuit 2. But she was a good actress.
MichaelJNielsen 2 years ago
no it wasn't...the whole idea of using Barbie Dolls was used because they are unnaturally skinny like Katen Carpenter was and because they give young girls an unnaturally, and unhealthy image of themselves of how they think they should look. I lost a teacher who had a heart attack because of this world wide problem of annorexia.
3dartistguy 2 years ago 3
grow up
bblaxx 2 years ago
I just heard about this from Anne Bower's book Reel Food, Essays on food and cinema. I'd never heard of it before.
MissyHolland 2 years ago
The whole doll thing is rediculous.
The Carpenters were great and Karens death is a tragedy.
Richard has a wife- he is not gay.
Richard stood by and loved Karen as a big brother should.
When Karen died not only did he lose his wondeful sister, His career took a severe blow, thats alot for anyone to deal with.
I pray Richard is doing well, I would love to see him play in concert sometime.
Tsivi1 2 years ago
the reason for the dolls was to show that the Barbie dolls who look anorexic falsely give an image to young girls of what they should look like...it isn't that hard to figure it out.
3dartistguy 2 years ago
This whole puppet/doll thing is creepy. I like the TV movie. No offense.
shannonm75 2 years ago
I'm so confused...Dolls?
xxxSkatingLifexxx 2 years ago
stupid video waste of time
lewandlo 2 years ago
The girl you are talking about is very talented and I make comments on everything I like. The girl is on track I think to become famous one day! She's talented, and very beautiful - who wouldn't want to be mom to such a special kid! No not her mom - I wish!
cubbymom 2 years ago
So sad to lose such a fantastic person and voice; like an angel! I found young girl who sounds a bit like Karen on Youtube Joanna Lauren - she sang Superstar and Close to you.
cubbymom 2 years ago
Brilliant 'contemporary art'.Actually the film was "stopped" cos Richard Carpenter was afraid everyone wud know he's GAY.
Thanks for posting. Grandma, Ireland..Knowledge IS wisdom.
vneach 2 years ago
I just heard a teen on Youtube Joannalaurensings that sounds fantastic! OMG she sings a couple of Carpenter songs and you should go and listen! Only 17 but Lord what a voice!
cubbymom 2 years ago
you must be her mom i keep seeing the same freaking comment on all carpenters things
bigbenbro 2 years ago
Well, It was actually corporate Amerikkka in the shape of toymanufacturer Mattell who pulled the plug on KCS.
The Carpenters actually supported this and the film was championed bySonic Youth (who hired Haynes to shoot videos) and the family gave SY Karens goldplated microphone for their cover version. It's great to see this up but point your finger at the owners of this site who are also the owners of the recordlabel and Mattel who stopped this. Soon this will be taken down....
fisciofollia 2 years ago
Wrong. You need to do more research. Richard Carpenter fought to get this movie pulled and sued for copyright infringement of the music. He also hated the film because it painted the family in such a bad light.,.not to mention insinuating he was gay.
jkines38 2 years ago 2
Yes, the family was portrayed in a bad light, and Karen was nearly sanctified. But I'm not sure at all she was that "innocent victim" and "angel" as they try to portray her. She by herself wasn't perfect.
hardcandy900 2 years ago
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I hated the Carpenter's music--elevator music with a twist. It was never music to my ears, even as a kid. This was kind of a stupid waste of youtube space if you ask me. Dolls? Gawd how stupid!
Mitsy1212 2 years ago
Shinefra, I don't think the point was to help people with anorexia, nor to joke about it. Rather, it's a tongue-in-cheek homage to one of Haynes' idols, Karen Carpenter. He's made several films about the musical icons of the '70s -- see also Velvet Goldmine and I'm Not There.
spershall 2 years ago 2
Richard Carpenter. Stop this cease or desist on this work of art. An essential movie.
UniweriaZekt 2 years ago 2
I doubt this stupid movie can help anyone who has anorexia, it's nothing but a bad joke.
shinefra 2 years ago
one of the best film ever made... thank you Todd...
showmeuranus 2 years ago
hahaha you guys are too fucking serious. todd haynes is THE shit. he's like the epitome of video/film art.
boozehoundbarbie 2 years ago
I saw this film in grad school getting an MFA in film/video...it was hugely inspirational! Brilliant! Give it a chance!
spershall 2 years ago 2
wots this crap?
jillsaudan 2 years ago 3
haha at first i was like why the fuck am i watching this but its actually pretty funny
Amaturexfamous 2 years ago
I feel bad for Karen Carpenter. This is BS.
I hope you made it much better.
mariel 2 years ago
WTF :| :| :|
mariel 2 years ago
this is a mockery to karen carpenters rememberance im not watcjing a patcy drama like this i imagine richard and family are getting another family got a backhander,they took all her control away,that's why she bacame anorexic the bastards.Imagine they are alive and she died because of them.TRUTH.
Bazilbrush08 2 years ago
hilarious. these are the best comments ever
zigistardusted 2 years ago
Wow haha
my dad told me to watch this LOL :]
cutieexmadi 2 years ago
wat the fuck is this the movie!not even
jo42694 2 years ago
i think the reason for its unavailability is down to music rights than anything else.
gerbydnb 2 years ago
It's not the fault of Barbie dolls. Not that this film suggests that, exactly.
S2Cents 2 years ago
Haven't seen this since I caught it at a film festival when it was released. Thanks for posting - it's as bizarre and wonderful as I remember.
TheDancingCookie 2 years ago
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Lame movies... ther'es a chilean production of jem episodes starring jem dolls, are a lot better than this... When the movie try to be "spooky" it just end beign cartoonish, also the camera it's moving all the time, bad, bad, bad
MatameVideos 2 years ago
what the fuck are thissss,.....im looking for real movie of karen not this barbie dools.
solido 2 years ago
thank you so much for the movie!!! :)
samntha1103 2 years ago
huh, so this is the movie Richard put a law suite on.
jack2breeze 3 years ago 4
That's right, a three-piece suite
halfabeet 2 years ago
why did he do that?
ledgebox 2 years ago
This is sooooo creepy. But I love it...
TroySundt 3 years ago 3
This is such a creepy story, with the dolls..but pretty much the true story of the Carpenters
TiaGing 3 years ago 2
I am a major Karen fan and have been dying to see this take on her story. This is an excellent snippet. Would love to see it in its entirety. It´s genius!
jimdivax 3 years ago
This was actually very ahead of it's time, love it or hate it. And Todd Haynes is incredibly gifted even if his themes sometimes get a bit tedious. But you cant discount the importance of his work or dismiss it, as some here seem to. Groundbreaking stuff in those stifling boring 80's and I have a feeling some of these comments are from the young, oblivious and callow...
giannireb68 3 years ago
What makes you so sure that I'm the young, oblivious and callow?
Though honestly, I agree on your review/comment.
halocharmer94 3 years ago
i think every girl goes through this phase lol that is very 'ahead of it's time." It's called playing with dolls LOL
greeniem 2 years ago
chuckle.......
giannireb68 2 years ago
Todd is a genius! This movie is disturbing and brilliant!
littlewing1975 3 years ago 3
This is Tod's first movie. It's brillant!
littlewing1975 3 years ago 4
This movie is horrifying. I have already gotten my fill on this. I am not watching it. It is inaccurate and tacky! SOMEBODY has a little TOO much time on their hands. WOW!!
Valentinegirl1977 3 years ago
A rather inferior, half-ass film that people got excited for some reason. Most of it simply replays the songs. There is some psychobabble regarding someone the director never met. And precious little else. How does Haynes know what happened? Was he there?
monsieurms 3 years ago
OMG don't be so ignorant. Haven't you ever heard of a dramatization?
grillboy 3 years ago
"Dramatization" Is this a word that means you're excused for misleading people?
monsieurms 2 years ago
Who was mislead? It's a movie made with dolls, ffs. Anyone who would watch this expecting it to be a factual account shouldn't be seeing it in the first place.
grillboy 2 years ago