Where the heck do these conspiracy theory nuts get their "facts"? Does something become true just by virtue of repetition? Or if we wish really hard, can we make the terrible tragedy of 10/22/63 comprehensible as a deep and esoteric government plot, instead of a couple of fairly good shots by a deeply disturbed American citizen who also happened to be an ex-Marine marxman?? (The pun is intended.)
@billybagbom : I've grown SO tired of answering sheeple like you. Read some books; watch some videos; visit Dealey Plaza. Do something other than sniping at conspiracy theory "nuts" (pun intended).
@Dogheadj You're right, Dogheadj; if I REALLY knew anything about the Kennedy assassination, I would not have said the tragedy occurred on 10/22/63, and if you weren't so gracious, you would have rubbed my face in that transparent typo. As it is, I'll just quietly withdraw and leave the discussion to people such as yourself, who personally recall the tragic events of November 22, 1963, because you are old enough to remember it. (You ARE old enough, aren't you?)
@billybagbom : Yeah, billy; I'm 56, and remember it well. I've also read darn near everything there is to read on the subject, have been to Dealey Plaza several times, have stood on the spot where Oswald was murdered, have been to the 6th Floor of the TSBD, etc. It made a real impact on me, and I've done a ton of research on it in the years since it happened. I don't claim to have all the answers by any means, but I'm still searching for them. And, likewise, thank you for your graciousness.
@billybagbom : I also encourage you to continue posting and reading in an effort to draw your own conclusions as to what truly transpired on that awful day.
there are many pics of jfk sitting on the trunk while people walk up to the limo and shake his hand plus there are many pics online of kennedy standing up while the limo is rolling
oswald owned the hand gun that killed officer tippit, oswalds hand prints were on the gun,12 witnesses saw the shooting, oswald did it, get over it...
There are problems with the evidence concerning the gun, so it hasn't been proved that Oswald owned that gun, ever fired it, or that it was used in the Tippit slaying.
The fact is that it's unlikely Oswald could have even been close enough to the scene to witness the murder, let alone commit it.
Voice stress analysis indicates Oswald told the truth when he stated that he didn't kill anyone.
.38 AUTO shells were found at the scene of the tippet murder. LHO had .38 Special shells in his gun. oops.
That day, Tippit parked his patrol car on the Oak Cliff side of the Trinity River at the viaduct. Just before 1pm he sped off and stopped at the Top 10 Records store to make a frantic phone call. No answer, he rushed out upset and drove off. 10 minutes later, he was dead.
The sewer on Elm St opposite where JFK caught the head shot runs to exactly that spot on the Trinity River.
Was Tippit assigned to kill the assassin? LHO took a bus and a cab. Somebody else was in the storm drain. Did "they" have something on Tippit to force him to comply with his part of the plot? Was he upset because the assassin never emerged? Did he encounter the assassin (who had eluded him) at 10th and Patton? Did the assassin smell a rat and kill Tippit before Tippit could kill him?
WTF?!Strange,why was tippit the only cop in oak cliff?Why isn't there a recording of tippit radioing in when he stopped oswald?Why did a cop car(has to be tippit) come up to his rooming house?I dont know if there is a case as weird as this,somethings not right.Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
@chubbychaser31 : Spot on. "All units" were ordered to report to the Dealey Plaza area, but Tippit was instructed to patrol Oak Cliff. Guess it's just coincidence.
@chubbychaser31 And NONE of the witnesses at the Tippit shooting ID'd Oswald.Most saw two men and neither was Oswald.Some witnesses changed thier story after some "help" from the FBI.
anyone ever try to learn Russian? I have, and Ive been to Moscow several times. Oswald was working for military intelligence and TWO days before the assassination he goes to the FBI..and they burn the note...anybody who buys all this shit is crazy..Oswald shot or he didnt shoot. it makes no difference, there was still a conspiracy.
@tallcoolone1 Yeah,and Oswald spoke Russian so well that many Russians didnt know he was American.And the fact that the FBI destroyed that note means it wasnt something to incriminate Oswald or they would have showed it to everyone.
Oswald was on the second floor eating his lunch when he was approached by his boss and a cop after the shooting. There is also a picture which is blurred but it shows the Book Depository's doorway with someone wearing something similar to what Oswald was wearing. This was as the motorcade passed by before the shooting. Watch LBJ Mistress the whole interview which in detail she describes the night before JFK was killed. She puts Nixion there. Jack Ruby campaigned for Nixion in 48 for congress.
LHO claimed to be having lunch with Jarman Williams and Norman; all 3 testified that he was upstairs that he was on the 6 floor at 12 and told jarman to send the elevater up and then LHO did not send it down. Williams and norman were directly under the 6th floor window under LHO. Norman testified to hearing the concussion of the shots, the cycling of the bolt action and the shells hitting that knocked the the plaster and on Williams head The guy outside was Billy Lovelady. No conspiracy
i guess you havent seen the video where the president's security is ordered not to walk behind his limo. There is nobody on the back rail and he gets shot from behind. That seals it for me. It was an execution.
Please that is so old and it has nothing to do with no conspiracy. Kennedy did not like the public being block during motorcades. I have many pics of JFK having people come right up to the limo and shake his hand. Also pics of kennedy STANDING up in the limo
being able to shake hands has nothing to do with it...and thats a lame excuse, the car was driving down the street, no chance of that. Those security guys would have directly obstructed the shot. Why are you clinging to this fairy tale?
What of Jack Ruby's filmed interview ? An interview where he states, and I am paraphrasing, that he was put in his position ( killing Oswald ) by people in high positions of power. The whole " Ruby killed Oswald to spare Jackie Kennedy of having to go through a trial. " was a statement put forward by Ruby's attorney-not Ruby himself. Too many loose ends and contradictions.
I would have to write you a book. It was a time that the people trusted the Government, post Kennedy America and the world never did again.......wonder why? You didnt see events unfold.
LHO is the murderer of Kennedy. The only patsy is Clay Shaw. He was a victim of Jim Garrison's ego who would try him for the murder without a shred of proof and ruined an innocent man's life. That is what a patsy is
Shaw denied being CIA and denied using the same alias he gave to police. He was guilty, and btw..funny how the gay underworld seems to run in Republican circles, even back then..
Oswald was not the only employee missing from the Book Depository. The police had no way of knowing he was in the theater without someone tipping them off.
the Ticket seller in the texas theater go the attention of police because Oswald ducked in withou paying for the 75 cent ticket. Oswald did not say one truthful thing since he got arrested trying to shoot the cops in the theater with the gun that killed tippett
The Dallas police couldn't catch a cold and managed to get Oswald killed. But we are to believe they (the police) figured out who the killer was and captured him in a matter of hours. Oswald acts like a man that just figured out he was setup to take the fall. Oswald's approach to press seems as if he would be more than happy to tell side. He never gets that chance. Ruby has cancer and dies, pretty convenient
Ruby died over three years later. Pretty slow work by the mafia. Ruby killed oswald through an act of circumstance. Oswald was going to get transferred at 10 but it was delayed. If the killing of Oswald was premeditaded Ruby would not be sending money through wester union at 11:17 am just 3 minutes before the actual transfer. Please have evidence not allegations
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ezcondition 1 year ago
Where the heck do these conspiracy theory nuts get their "facts"? Does something become true just by virtue of repetition? Or if we wish really hard, can we make the terrible tragedy of 10/22/63 comprehensible as a deep and esoteric government plot, instead of a couple of fairly good shots by a deeply disturbed American citizen who also happened to be an ex-Marine marxman?? (The pun is intended.)
billybagbom 1 year ago
@billybagbom : I've grown SO tired of answering sheeple like you. Read some books; watch some videos; visit Dealey Plaza. Do something other than sniping at conspiracy theory "nuts" (pun intended).
Dogheadj 1 year ago
@Dogheadj You're right, Dogheadj; if I REALLY knew anything about the Kennedy assassination, I would not have said the tragedy occurred on 10/22/63, and if you weren't so gracious, you would have rubbed my face in that transparent typo. As it is, I'll just quietly withdraw and leave the discussion to people such as yourself, who personally recall the tragic events of November 22, 1963, because you are old enough to remember it. (You ARE old enough, aren't you?)
billybagbom 1 year ago
@billybagbom : Yeah, billy; I'm 56, and remember it well. I've also read darn near everything there is to read on the subject, have been to Dealey Plaza several times, have stood on the spot where Oswald was murdered, have been to the 6th Floor of the TSBD, etc. It made a real impact on me, and I've done a ton of research on it in the years since it happened. I don't claim to have all the answers by any means, but I'm still searching for them. And, likewise, thank you for your graciousness.
Dogheadj 1 year ago
@billybagbom : I also encourage you to continue posting and reading in an effort to draw your own conclusions as to what truly transpired on that awful day.
Dogheadj 1 year ago
there are many pics of jfk sitting on the trunk while people walk up to the limo and shake his hand plus there are many pics online of kennedy standing up while the limo is rolling
Obelisk2290 2 years ago
Also..shells at the Tippit scene were reported on police radio as being .38 AUTO not REVOLVER as Oswald was claimed to have
tfcrew 3 years ago
You see in the film them dusting for the fingerprints left by Tippit's killers.
It turns out the prints are NOT Oswald's.
Yet more evidence Oswald didn't shoot anyone.
BTW - there was no 'roll call' at TSBD for Oswald to miss - many emoployees did not return to work after the killing.
proudfootz 3 years ago 4
@proudfootz
so wrong
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz
Tippit's killer was seen to have leaned on the police cruiser. Good prints were taken off the car door.
Had the prints belonged to Oswald it would have been shouted from the rooftops. Apparently the person who killed Tippit wasn't Oswald.
proudfootz 1 year ago
@proudfootz
oswald was the proven killer of officer tippit
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz
Not so - fingerprints of killer didn't match Oswald.
Tippit's murderers allowed to escape while attention focused on wrong man.
proudfootz 1 year ago
@proudfootz
yes they did, he was proven killer, 12 witnesses to shooting too, accept it man
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz
Government's top witness, Helen Markham, may not even have been on the scene. She was described by Warren Commision lawyers as an 'utter screwball'.
The fingerprints of Tippit's killer didn't match Oswald - unless Oswald was able to change his fingerprints at will.
There was never a trial (somehow police allowed Oswald to be killed while in custody) - so it was never 'proved'.
The case against Oswald is full of holes - get used to it.
proudfootz 1 year ago
@proudfootz
oswald owned the hand gun that killed officer tippit, oswalds hand prints were on the gun,12 witnesses saw the shooting, oswald did it, get over it...
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz
There are problems with the witnesses, the gun, the bullets, and the shells.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee - the killer's fingerprints don't match Oswald.
proudfootz 1 year ago
@proudfootz
you need to learn your history, forensics matched oswalds gun which he owned, you need to just wake up and take it in..
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz
Sorry, but study of the facts shows problems with witnesses, the gun, the bullets, and the shells.
The fingerprints of the murderer were found and did not match Oswald.
proudfootz 1 year ago
@proudfootz
oswald owned the gun, the gun was fired at off tippit, oswald fired the gun, oswald murdered off tippit... fact
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz
There are problems with the evidence concerning the gun, so it hasn't been proved that Oswald owned that gun, ever fired it, or that it was used in the Tippit slaying.
The fact is that it's unlikely Oswald could have even been close enough to the scene to witness the murder, let alone commit it.
Voice stress analysis indicates Oswald told the truth when he stated that he didn't kill anyone.
Looks like the facts are not on your side.
proudfootz 1 year ago
@grettoz
.38 AUTO shells were found at the scene of the tippet murder. LHO had .38 Special shells in his gun. oops.
That day, Tippit parked his patrol car on the Oak Cliff side of the Trinity River at the viaduct. Just before 1pm he sped off and stopped at the Top 10 Records store to make a frantic phone call. No answer, he rushed out upset and drove off. 10 minutes later, he was dead.
The sewer on Elm St opposite where JFK caught the head shot runs to exactly that spot on the Trinity River.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
@grettoz
Was Tippit assigned to kill the assassin? LHO took a bus and a cab. Somebody else was in the storm drain. Did "they" have something on Tippit to force him to comply with his part of the plot? Was he upset because the assassin never emerged? Did he encounter the assassin (who had eluded him) at 10th and Patton? Did the assassin smell a rat and kill Tippit before Tippit could kill him?
I can't prove it. Yet. But I believe so. Yes.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 1 month ago
Everybody go watch Mark Lane's "Rush to Judgement" and see how there is no credible evidence that oswald fired any shots.
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago 4
"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. -J Edgar Hoover "
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago 5
WTF?!Strange,why was tippit the only cop in oak cliff?Why isn't there a recording of tippit radioing in when he stopped oswald?Why did a cop car(has to be tippit) come up to his rooming house?I dont know if there is a case as weird as this,somethings not right.Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
chubbychaser31 3 years ago 3
@chubbychaser31 : Spot on. "All units" were ordered to report to the Dealey Plaza area, but Tippit was instructed to patrol Oak Cliff. Guess it's just coincidence.
Dogheadj 1 year ago
@chubbychaser31 And NONE of the witnesses at the Tippit shooting ID'd Oswald.Most saw two men and neither was Oswald.Some witnesses changed thier story after some "help" from the FBI.
themeaningoflife38 1 year ago
@themeaningoflife38
wtf r u on??
grettoz 1 year ago
The FBI assigned an agent to watch LHO BEFORE the JFK murder.He testified that he was having lunch down the street at the time of the shooting.
themeaningoflife38 4 years ago 3
@themeaningoflife38 : The agents name is James Hosty.
Dogheadj 1 year ago
anyone ever try to learn Russian? I have, and Ive been to Moscow several times. Oswald was working for military intelligence and TWO days before the assassination he goes to the FBI..and they burn the note...anybody who buys all this shit is crazy..Oswald shot or he didnt shoot. it makes no difference, there was still a conspiracy.
tallcoolone1 4 years ago 2
@tallcoolone1 Yeah,and Oswald spoke Russian so well that many Russians didnt know he was American.And the fact that the FBI destroyed that note means it wasnt something to incriminate Oswald or they would have showed it to everyone.
themeaningoflife38 1 year ago
Oswald was on the second floor eating his lunch when he was approached by his boss and a cop after the shooting. There is also a picture which is blurred but it shows the Book Depository's doorway with someone wearing something similar to what Oswald was wearing. This was as the motorcade passed by before the shooting. Watch LBJ Mistress the whole interview which in detail she describes the night before JFK was killed. She puts Nixion there. Jack Ruby campaigned for Nixion in 48 for congress.
decider43 4 years ago
LHO claimed to be having lunch with Jarman Williams and Norman; all 3 testified that he was upstairs that he was on the 6 floor at 12 and told jarman to send the elevater up and then LHO did not send it down. Williams and norman were directly under the 6th floor window under LHO. Norman testified to hearing the concussion of the shots, the cycling of the bolt action and the shells hitting that knocked the the plaster and on Williams head The guy outside was Billy Lovelady. No conspiracy
Obelisk2290 4 years ago
i guess you havent seen the video where the president's security is ordered not to walk behind his limo. There is nobody on the back rail and he gets shot from behind. That seals it for me. It was an execution.
tallcoolone1 4 years ago 2
Please that is so old and it has nothing to do with no conspiracy. Kennedy did not like the public being block during motorcades. I have many pics of JFK having people come right up to the limo and shake his hand. Also pics of kennedy STANDING up in the limo
Obelisk2290 4 years ago
being able to shake hands has nothing to do with it...and thats a lame excuse, the car was driving down the street, no chance of that. Those security guys would have directly obstructed the shot. Why are you clinging to this fairy tale?
tallcoolone1 4 years ago
in dallas?
delavg 2 years ago
What of Jack Ruby's filmed interview ? An interview where he states, and I am paraphrasing, that he was put in his position ( killing Oswald ) by people in high positions of power. The whole " Ruby killed Oswald to spare Jackie Kennedy of having to go through a trial. " was a statement put forward by Ruby's attorney-not Ruby himself. Too many loose ends and contradictions.
florchpod 4 years ago
why would they have a roll call just after lunch? what kind of job has roll calls?
tallcoolone1 4 years ago
the kind where the shots came from the TSBD and it killed the president; or anyone for that matter
Obelisk2290 4 years ago
I would have to write you a book. It was a time that the people trusted the Government, post Kennedy America and the world never did again.......wonder why? You didnt see events unfold.
needsumsun 4 years ago
LHO is the murderer of Kennedy. The only patsy is Clay Shaw. He was a victim of Jim Garrison's ego who would try him for the murder without a shred of proof and ruined an innocent man's life. That is what a patsy is
Obelisk2290 4 years ago
Shaw denied being CIA and denied using the same alias he gave to police. He was guilty, and btw..funny how the gay underworld seems to run in Republican circles, even back then..
tallcoolone1 4 years ago 2
sounds like Jane Pauly doing the narration......so aaaaah she has no agenda right?
brokencasket 4 years ago
i dont want to check it out
nicholashardwick 4 years ago
Oswald was not the only employee missing from the Book Depository. The police had no way of knowing he was in the theater without someone tipping them off.
Tim17609 4 years ago
the Ticket seller in the texas theater go the attention of police because Oswald ducked in withou paying for the 75 cent ticket. Oswald did not say one truthful thing since he got arrested trying to shoot the cops in the theater with the gun that killed tippett
Obelisk2290 4 years ago
The Dallas police couldn't catch a cold and managed to get Oswald killed. But we are to believe they (the police) figured out who the killer was and captured him in a matter of hours. Oswald acts like a man that just figured out he was setup to take the fall. Oswald's approach to press seems as if he would be more than happy to tell side. He never gets that chance. Ruby has cancer and dies, pretty convenient
needsumsun 4 years ago 2
Ruby died over three years later. Pretty slow work by the mafia. Ruby killed oswald through an act of circumstance. Oswald was going to get transferred at 10 but it was delayed. If the killing of Oswald was premeditaded Ruby would not be sending money through wester union at 11:17 am just 3 minutes before the actual transfer. Please have evidence not allegations
Obelisk2290 4 years ago