@hurro67 Battle, not the war... but I understood your meaning. Hey, with the fascination many people here in the U.S. had over the recent royal wedding you would think Britain had won the war. :)
@MercatorsHammer Yeah 2 Billion people watched. You may have won that war, but then we burnt your white house down ;) haha. Im just joking about, I love Americans. Britain was by far the most powerful country throughout 17th,18th,19th and half way in to 20th century you must admit, that is a long reign of power!
Thanks so much for the wonderful visual of this battle. I have at least 3 Great (x5) Grandfathers who fought in this battle. They were Robert Thompson, who served as a private under General Gates & lived near this battle; John Thomas Caffey, who enlisted in the Maryland Independent Company under Washington & LaFayette. And the 3rd one was Elias Baker, under General Rutherford.
In my attempt to reply to a comment about my "rushing voice" by "XxGREATxBRITAINxX ", I hit "remove" by mistake. The buttons are not placed very well. A simple answer is, I am a fast talker and not a voice actor. I may look at redoing the voice over with better pacing when I post an HD version of the video sometime later.
The movie "The Patriot" was typical Hollywood make-believe history depicting a made-up battle between American and British Crown forces. The battle was a bit of a mash-up of Cowpens and Guilford Courthouse. In short, the movie was wrong on many levels, it is hard to begin. In fact, while the American forces retreated, the battle took such a toll on the British forces that Cornwallis was forced to surrender later.
@UnitedProviences, Thanks for that. I find it amazing how few people died on either side during the battle, still I wonder how long most of the wounded lasted.
The brits may have held the field at the end, but it was a costly "victory" as Cornwallis lost a quarter of his effective strength and was forced to modify the plans for his entire campaign.
@painthorseowner, The problem is the British didn't I think it was the Americans, the British lost 98 men while the army had 1,900 troops at the start of the battle.
this is complete bullshit.....the VA militia was placed in the center of the line, and like Hannibal of Carthage once used against Rome, folded his militia backwards and countered on the flanks, what is now known as a "pincer" move. It creates two lines firing into the same place opposite each other.
Thank you for your comment, I appreciate critical comments, so long as they are cast in a constructive frame. A link or book reference would be nice if you have one.
Complete BS is a bit strong. This was solely a cartographic exercise to introduce people to the battle and the impact of modern development on the site. The troop movements and positions are generalized from historic records, mostly maps drawn at the time or by military historians. I listed some of these in the description.
While some maps show the distribution of the VA line on the road, many others have them flanking the road, but straight across, not in a pincer formation.
So far, I have not seen any written or cartographic record indicating a pincer formation for the VA militia. This is not to say I deny its existence. Many maps were poorly drawn during the battle and others were drawn years after from these poorly drawn sketches and memory. The historic record is also prone to the same error in memory.
All I know is he was Lewis Speed, and his brother was Capt. James Speed who commanded a company from Mecklenburg County, VA. The Captain was wounded as well but survived.
I wish I had a presentation like this for every single battle I've had to piece together from narratives and static maps. Speed of advance, timeliness of reserve deployment and all sorts of nuance becomes clearer with this rendering - thanks a bunch!
Thanks. I have to confess, the speeds of the advance and movements are completely generalized. I simply did not have access to the information at the time. It would be useful to incorporate that info though, I agree. I wanted to include a clock that would tick off certain events as well, but that info was not reliable unfortunately. I pretty much used narratives and static maps. :-)
This is awesome!
hotspur2514 2 months ago
LOL Britain actually won this war and battle.
hurro67 9 months ago
@hurro67 Battle, not the war... but I understood your meaning. Hey, with the fascination many people here in the U.S. had over the recent royal wedding you would think Britain had won the war. :)
MercatorsHammer 9 months ago 3
@MercatorsHammer Yeah 2 Billion people watched. You may have won that war, but then we burnt your white house down ;) haha. Im just joking about, I love Americans. Britain was by far the most powerful country throughout 17th,18th,19th and half way in to 20th century you must admit, that is a long reign of power!
hurro67 9 months ago
the british were outnumbered 3 to 1
jed371 1 year ago
Thanks so much for the wonderful visual of this battle. I have at least 3 Great (x5) Grandfathers who fought in this battle. They were Robert Thompson, who served as a private under General Gates & lived near this battle; John Thomas Caffey, who enlisted in the Maryland Independent Company under Washington & LaFayette. And the 3rd one was Elias Baker, under General Rutherford.
imsailing2 1 year ago
Can you please tell me what program you used to make this? My dad is a huge civil war buff and is greatly interested in this.
koolman280 1 year ago
A "soldier sandwich"?!
McGrenzer 1 year ago
WELL done.....thanks for the video, thanks for the good work...
wryguy007 1 year ago
79 killed in action on the US side, and 93 killed on the British side; not 92.
steve5123456789 1 year ago
It was 79.
steve5123456789 1 year ago
@steve5123456789 79 what? :)
MercatorsHammer 1 year ago
Helps understand the battles from our past. Thanks for posting! And great video!
redsoul888 1 year ago
Good Job !
ashdivay 1 year ago
In my attempt to reply to a comment about my "rushing voice" by "XxGREATxBRITAINxX ", I hit "remove" by mistake. The buttons are not placed very well. A simple answer is, I am a fast talker and not a voice actor. I may look at redoing the voice over with better pacing when I post an HD version of the video sometime later.
MercatorsHammer 2 years ago
The movie "The Patriot" was typical Hollywood make-believe history depicting a made-up battle between American and British Crown forces. The battle was a bit of a mash-up of Cowpens and Guilford Courthouse. In short, the movie was wrong on many levels, it is hard to begin. In fact, while the American forces retreated, the battle took such a toll on the British forces that Cornwallis was forced to surrender later.
MercatorsHammer 2 years ago
I accidentally removed the following comment from user: dumgum222,
"american lost? Then is the movie right on The Patriot"
YouTube needs to reposition those reply/remove and block user buttons, or at least add a delete confirmation.
MercatorsHammer 2 years ago
@MercatorsHammer, We lost 92 men in that battle.
UnitedProviences 1 year ago
@UnitedProviences, Thanks for that. I find it amazing how few people died on either side during the battle, still I wonder how long most of the wounded lasted.
MercatorsHammer 1 year ago
Great work, I laughed so hard when I heard "The British marched through the childtime daycare center."
Shaddowflame 2 years ago
The brits may have held the field at the end, but it was a costly "victory" as Cornwallis lost a quarter of his effective strength and was forced to modify the plans for his entire campaign.
interesting video though!
painthorseowner 2 years ago
@painthorseowner, The problem is the British didn't I think it was the Americans, the British lost 98 men while the army had 1,900 troops at the start of the battle.
UnitedProviences 1 year ago
good video but you've ruined the patriot for me
TThewsyo 2 years ago
Thanks, that made me laugh. :)
MercatorsHammer 2 years ago
this is complete bullshit.....the VA militia was placed in the center of the line, and like Hannibal of Carthage once used against Rome, folded his militia backwards and countered on the flanks, what is now known as a "pincer" move. It creates two lines firing into the same place opposite each other.
TxTechRox123 2 years ago
Thank you for your comment, I appreciate critical comments, so long as they are cast in a constructive frame. A link or book reference would be nice if you have one.
Complete BS is a bit strong. This was solely a cartographic exercise to introduce people to the battle and the impact of modern development on the site. The troop movements and positions are generalized from historic records, mostly maps drawn at the time or by military historians. I listed some of these in the description.
MercatorsHammer 2 years ago
While some maps show the distribution of the VA line on the road, many others have them flanking the road, but straight across, not in a pincer formation.
So far, I have not seen any written or cartographic record indicating a pincer formation for the VA militia. This is not to say I deny its existence. Many maps were poorly drawn during the battle and others were drawn years after from these poorly drawn sketches and memory. The historic record is also prone to the same error in memory.
MercatorsHammer 2 years ago
We ran like hell.After Shootin a few
stinky1128 2 years ago
My ancestor died of wounds gotten in this battle. Luckily he had three children already or I would not be here
dejahthoris 3 years ago
Do you know what unit he was with?
MercatorsHammer 3 years ago
All I know is he was Lewis Speed, and his brother was Capt. James Speed who commanded a company from Mecklenburg County, VA. The Captain was wounded as well but survived.
dejahthoris 3 years ago
This is outstanding!!! 5/5 stars. The today's battlefield animation.
2bn442RCT 3 years ago
I wish I had a presentation like this for every single battle I've had to piece together from narratives and static maps. Speed of advance, timeliness of reserve deployment and all sorts of nuance becomes clearer with this rendering - thanks a bunch!
meanliar 3 years ago
Thanks. I have to confess, the speeds of the advance and movements are completely generalized. I simply did not have access to the information at the time. It would be useful to incorporate that info though, I agree. I wanted to include a clock that would tick off certain events as well, but that info was not reliable unfortunately. I pretty much used narratives and static maps. :-)
MercatorsHammer 3 years ago
whats that
thefishofgreen 3 years ago
I live where General Green's 3rd line was
thefishofgreen 3 years ago
whers that ion virginia?
Kino483 3 years ago
nope all this is in present day Greensboro NC
thefishofgreen 3 years ago
u think the american originated from the wlesh british, scottish and all the anglos?
Kino483 3 years ago
Ok So We Ran.....Took a toll im Sure :)
stinky1128 3 years ago
Shhh DOnt Tell Any one......Dan Morgan used the Same idea at Cowpens
stinky1128 3 years ago
Amazing job!
kroshkamaster 3 years ago
Great Job!!!
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