The Demographics of Violence - Stefan Molyneux on Television Explaining the UK Riots

[AnglesM888]

Until now there has been some demonstrations, but there is NO revolution anywhere. Remember 99% of the past revolutions has always been against people. The Prists and the people who have the GOLD always have the power at last!!? So Please wake up people, and dont let that happen again. Food Prices have risen because of Polotics not because there is problems with producing food...

[MrROTD]

I hate working because I don't get paid enough, every payday is a slap in the face and then I see fuckers sitting around on welfare and that pisses me off too. If it was worth it to work a shitty job there's be less people on welfare. Here's a quote from a welfare recipient I know. "I can break my back 40 hours a week for a few hundred dollars more or I can laze around and still pay the rent so why would I work? " He's right who wants to slave at a crappy job and never get ahead anyway?

[Viruspirate]

this stefan goof isnt even canadian..

[belindakennedy]

you will always get free loaders and cheats,its up to government and citizens to make it work,its the only way to make it work...GRASS your drug dealer ,GRASS THE WORKER WHO IS NOT PAYING Tax ,if you are unwilling .life in shyte,and pay more taxes for the privileged...the days have gone about grassing ,because the crooks of yesteryear are long gone,to day they would mug their granny,and leave the wealthy alone.

[belindakennedy]

people with children living in a car or the streets is not on,its uncivilized,and America seems to look down on these people,so much for no class system on the states,it would not be allowed in the UK,yes its costly,but no way would children would be put in that position, nor would they separate parents from their children,BB,or some where would be found for them together...tell me is that a bad thig?

[belindakennedy]

even immigrants come here with ailments and with family who will never work because of their ailments AND WE KEEP THEM,we house them and give them money to life,all payed by tax money,ITS NOT FREE,AND PEPLE WONDER WHY WE COPLAIN.or call us racist

[belindakennedy]

the NHS system worked well even taking pregnant women from the USA and many other parts of the world came here to escape the financial part of giving birth,..forgetting is not really free,tax payers pay for the treatment,then they go home to the states or what other country they come from,the NHS has been raped by all of the world,no wonder it has not worked,but the British people will fight to keep it,fuck the politicians

[belindakennedy]

xpiher8383,

wish it was as simple as that,your first person with nothing left over ,how much did he or she have to start with,the glutton may have had less than the first person,and the person with nothing may have had something before the first person and the glutton before they had something,just at that moment they have nothing did they share?

[xpiher]

@belindakennedy No, its not that simple. But youtube comments are limited. The example was suppose to be taken as "facts on the ground" type scenario. In a large society, there are going to be people who help, those who are free-riders, and those who don't receive help due to lack of will, not lack of ability. The untied states is a prime example of were there is ability to make sure everyone can eat but an unwillingness to ensure it happens. How can we solve it without force is the question.

[belindakennedy]

consumerism,sorry for spelling mistake,well i think i have it right ,laughs

[belindakennedy]

consurinumsim is the problem,poor people see rich people wearing,driving,plain just having things the 98% of people just cant have,its no longer keeping up with the jones in wall paper its every thing and every thing is in the high street behind glass just mm away,temptation .

[belindakennedy]

lets pay tax on earnings,thats all,why should we be taxed again if we have savings from the same money that has already been taxed on if we have saved enough,and why pay property tax if you own that land its yours not governments,therse lots of taxes like this in the UK,it stunts growth and moral.

[LetsTryLiberty]

The need for a central plan, statism to implement it, the need for control, for someone to tell us what to do, how things will work -- these are ingrained to such an intense degree in society as a whole that it is commonplace to rebel against the idea of trusting freedom; trusting that peacefully interacting individuals will combine together to solve all the problems the mob cries out for The State to fix. Not knowing how does not mean it won't.

[Scoob505]

stef is a sexxxxy man.

[Dysentery7885]

the demographics of violence = black people.

[blackarawak83]

@Dysentery7885 ur name says it all....You are full of shit.

[magrathean0]

Good stuff, Steffan. I would add - our abusive, production hammering tax system continuously provides unearned wealth to the wealthy at the expense of the opportunities of the poor. Unfortunately, this is the way the status quo works in the US, the UK and Europe. Presenting the riots as a singular act of theft disrupting an otherwise equitable state of affairs is dishonesty.

[haseyes]

the riots were a setup

[jeffiek]

@26Keano1 "It make us Libertarians sound greedy "

Don't fall for it. It's bullshit. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

Greed is wanting more than your fair share. Your fair share is what you earn. THEY want what they didn't earn. Get off the defensive. They're the greedy ones.

[utubehayter]

@jeffiek

No such thing as "fair" share, because your income is not a your "share", it is your earnings. No one is sharing anything. If you fall for that, then they are going to haggle the definition of "fair".

There is your earnings and what is yours and then there is what is not yours.

[magrathean0]

@utubehayter Within our system of property, Income is not necessarily earned. This is where our systemic problems start and why heavy government intervention *appears* to many to be necessary

[utubehayter]

@magrathean0

where/In which circumstances is income not earned?

[magrathean0]

@utubehayter I buy a piece of land within a tax jurisdiction. The government taxes people’s wages and uses the money to create a railway or road or other improvement. As a result, the utility and price of my land rises so that when I sell I am enabled to collect a payment for the utility of the infrastructure added by government to the area since I bought the land.As the government doesn’t tax my real estate (much) I collect this payment without making a contribution to the value I am selling.

[utubehayter]

@magrathean0

And you are comparing this situation with....? what again?

Even with what you have assumed into the situation.. i.e. govt is creating the redistribution, your solution is... well, more government involvement. Sort of akin to an intruder breaking into a house and then breaking a lamp. Then saying that he really needs to start working hard, because he knows how to fix the lamp. Go figure!

[magrathean0]

@utubehayter You asked how / in which circumstance income is unearned and I explained. I'm not comparing it to anything but clearly this critique applies to our system. Your whole 'your solution' thing is a strawman, I didn't suggest any solution.

[utubehayter]

@magrathean0

I doubt it is still unearned. But okay. I get your point. Any wealthtransfers that government itself creates is what you are talking about. But there is no hope for such transfers to be mitigated by government itself. Which makes sense since you specifically marked "appears" in your previous comment (which I did not revisit). My apologies for the extrapolating your explanation into a position and then into a "solution".

[ed2point0]

Considering the state of the welfare state, the riots were bound to happen.

[SidsMusicUk]

life eh? pretty eventful .

[fuckoverload]

Can you please tell me how you are arriving at the claim that the government is incentivising couples to separate with 100 pound per week bribes?

[cool2t]

@fuckoverload i dont think he said bribes, he said "they face Tax & benefit penalty of £100 a week", cause if ur parents are together and only one is working that parent have to pay 40% tax. i've heard nothing about bribes or such.

[fuckoverload]

@cool2t He didn't say bribes, and that was a bad choice of word because it gives opportunity to argue intent. So let's scratch that and just cut to the chase. How is the 100 pounds per week benefit per single person versus partnered person calculated? Your claim about 40% tax, quite simply, is wrong - and I know this for certain because I'm a retired business owner who always did his own accounts. There are tax BENEFITS to being married, and I strongly disagree with them.

[xpiher]

What you say in the video is right. A permanent under class is finally realizing they are an underclass and its the system that's put them there, especially when welfare pays more than a job that's available. People's interest and actions are easily manipulated.

[MrStillmans]

Stef, I hope to hear more from you on this subject.

[energyxprt]

The UK and the USA are so close in their economic and political models. Almost a carbon copy of each other with only some small differences in culture. Police who never get convicted. Wow does that sound familiar.

[energyxprt]

Very nice RT. Again digging into the real reasons why the UK is upside down. So far the only news channel who doesn't just report the youths are out of control and we need to get them under control. RT is getting better by the month. The politicians are going to use force with force. The only problem is there are many more youths than there are politicians and police. This is going to be a nasty revolution.

[Th3Wab3]

for some reason news stations always ignore historic police brutality or violence.. one has to beg the question.. why do different regions and socioeconomic groups feel and react differently to the police how and why do these relationships vary?

[mtube620]

japan is in economic stagnation for the past decade with high youth unemployment too, why no rioting, even after earthequake and nuclear melt down, not only NO RIOTING, civil order got even better than before the earthequake.

[JoshRobertson142]

@mtube620

the Japanese don't strike me as a rioting nation.

[mtube620]

@JoshRobertson142 maybe they have higher IQ and learned to change their ways. Japan invented ninja, karate, kamikaze and ruled the asia pacific ocean in WW2.

[dothackerkiko]

@mtube620 westerners created ninja and karate

[newjoiseyboy]

@mtube620 Don't know for sure but one indication could be the level of militarism in society. UK has troops deployed all over. Does Japan even have a military? I don't even know. There could also be a propaganda gap, but I don't know. I would expect civil unrest in any society with lots of military when things go to shit.

[mtube620]

@newjoiseyboy a cop out excuse by relating level military to civil obedience. So u r saying more military equals more violetn population. Hmmm, then why have a big military? A civil society and/or a society who doesn't meddle in other country's affair doesn't need big military.

[mtube620]

we canadian invented senseless rioting, u forgot vancouver already?

[davyjames]

I wish you'd give as much moral condemnation towards these rioters as you do bad parents. You rightly point out that parents are capable of making moral choices so can't be excused for negligent or abusive parenting and yet these rioters are the same, they are old enough to make moral choices and they are just coldly burning down private property, assaulting people and blatantly thieving. 

[frostyuk2007]

It is incredibly good timing to rally everyone together against thugs who just happen to have had a riot and install some national pride in a nation so they police themselves with their pride in time for the Olympics. Very convenient

[labartic]

awww all those poor people...better give them more welfare to make it all better... stealing and burning down buildings is a legitimate way to say you feel disenfranchised now? get the fuck out of here

[stefbot]

@labartic absolutely all government welfare should be ended

[labartic]

@stefbot I respect your wisdom a lot, but to excuse these "poor disenfranchised youth" who go around causing mayhem and hurting people and property is wrong. Many poor people with no opportunity, myself included, work normal jobs to make ends meet and would never loot stores for things that are not ours. Its like you are saying poor people have a right to do these crimes because they feel so hopeless, well thats not fair to all the poor people who do the right thing and work hard and struggle

[xpiher]

@stefbot Its not government welfare itself that's the problem, its how its done. When the government pays for job training and helps people find jobs THAT STILL WELFARE. Whats the main source of unrest around the world is mastication. If government or society can make people feel they are worth something, that they have a place in the system, the revolution will die down.

[chuska8383]

@xpiher So you think some forms of government welfare are not problematic when their funding is involuntary?

[xpiher]

@chuska8383: When market failure happens. When the only options available are between force and suffering I choose force. I know all your dogmatic libertarian/anarchist are against any use of force, but its a necessary evil until man evolves or grows a conscious

[chuska8383]

@xpiher ...what if the reason why markets fail isn't because of naked, unregulated market forces but the interjection of command and control tactics ("force") into the market place? Have you ever studied the Austrian school of economics? I bring it up is because they (myself included, they convinced me) teach that it is the force in society which causes markets to break down and it is the statists that then reach for the cause as the cure, closing the circle into a horrible loop.

[xpiher]

@chuska8383 Yes I have studied, thats where I got the terminology from (Hayke and Friedman). Market failure happens when there is a demand not being met when the market is free (in the legal sense) to meet it. For instance, Student loans not being made to a vast majority of students prior to the government's intervention (Read Capitalism and Freedom for proof). Another market failure is our debt loop economy.

[chuska8383]

@xpiher You're logic seems completely foreign to Austrian thinking! You think failure occurs in the market when it isn't "free" via government compulsion to meet demands? Which writing of Hayek (not Hayke) and/or Friedman led you to think this? The reason why we are in a debt loop economy is because of fiat currency, artificially low interest rates, and government subsidies to get into debt. Your last sentence laments exactly what the sentence prior espouses. I think you ought to study more.

[xpiher]

@chuska8383 Then you misinterpret both like most people who read them. When there is the ability to meet a demand and the demand is still not being met, there is market failure. This happened with post high school education shortly after WW2 and up until the government started subsidizing loans. Friedman stated that the government should set up a clearing house for loaning students money that would allow "investors" to give loans to students for a promise of a portion of future earnings.

[chuska8383]

@xpiher So...which writings of Hayek and Friedman have you read? If there is a demand which is not being filled, it is either because the optimum use of scarce resources, labor, and capital is in another use, or because of regulation interfering with the market.

Your statism is alarming for two reason: first, I think you completely misunderstand the core economic principle of the prime mechanism and the invisible hand; second, you're so sure of your error that you violently enforce it.

[xpiher]

@chuska8383 Capitalism and Freedom, Free to Choose, Road to Serfdom, and the Fatal Conceit. Each of these talks about the rare instances were government involvement is just and talks about market failure that happens despite having the ability to meet the demand. That type of market failure is simply unwillingness to do it, not because of scarcity. I'm not a statist, I'm a moralist. As I tried to say 100x before is that when the only option is between doing nothing and force I chose force.

[xpiher]

@chuska8383 I have also read and re-read The Wealth of Nations and its compliment The Theory of Moral Sentiments. Most people who claim to be pro-capitalism ignore the latter, which Adam Smith stated was a necessary accompaniment in order to ensure capitalism (as he wrote it) would not become debased. I suggest you read it.

[gradiu3rox]

@xpiher grow a backbone and start going into people's houses personally to steal from them, don't use the government.  coward.

[xpiher]

Anarchy can't work because people are not moral. I don't need to grow a back bone, others need to become moral. I favor people willingly giving their money to others to prevent suffering but even with gov involvement, its not enough. Yet, people still live in abhorrent luxury. Picture this: There are 3 people 1 person scraping by (nothing left over after taking care of himself) 1 glutton, and 1 starving. The glutton refuses to share. How, without using force, do you save the starving man's life

[LetsTryLiberty]

@xpiher Statism doesn't work because the system is based on violence. Anytime the attempt is made to enforce morality through force (such as forcing others to save the starving man's life), there are unintended and unforeseeable consequences. Freedom means there is no central plan. Freedom means individuals and networks of individuals will solve these problems. A government that can take from the rich to give to the poor can take from the poor to give to the rich as we've seen a lot of lately.

[xpiher]

@LetsTryLiberty I support morality. In the example I gave there is only one moral option available and that is to use force. I reject that doing nothing is morally superior. I prefer to use persuasion which can be another type of force ("God" for instance). But if everything else fails, force is just. This doesn't mean the gov has to do it. In an anarchic society I can just take it. In a min-anarchic society, all need is to convince the public that we need to do it and no jury would convict me.

[gradiu3rox]

@xpiher you don't support morality. you don't give a flying flip about morality. you want to hurt people. i know because i was there once. you are the victim of violence and it has physically damaged your brain. The truth is that you want to die right? There's a way out of the hole you're in and it starts with the realization that you are not happy because you are not moral and that you must change something in yourself or die trying.

[xpiher]

@gradiu3rox Trollolololol

[gradiu3rox]

@xpiher ok, roll back. how did the glutton buy the food? because he produced something useful and sold it?

the person scraping by, is that what he wants? if not, why doesn't he grow food and sell it to the glutton? The glutton's rich right?

Does the starving man have a disability and no family? If he doesn't want to do something useful, grow his own food, or move in with relatives and live off them, then what makes you think he wants to live at all? It's his choice to live or die.

[vingedheart]

@stefbot Except when it's government bailout to the bankers!!! Give the bankers more money while they steal hours - yay!!!

[nolslifegren]

@stefbot 

[nolslifegren]

@stefbot ; Bollocks ...

[acousticfreeze1]

@stefbot For those with Disabilities, how would you get them to become Tax Paying Citizens? Would you follow the footsteps of Wal-Greens, a Private Sector Company? Or, would you just send them all to charities? Also, how would you do this, without, some form of Government help? How would you help those who truly need the help? There are exceptions to every group, including, those who are on Welfare of some kind.

[Moragauth]

@acousticfreeze1 It helps to research how this was done before governments, i.e. via familial aid and mutuals known as Friendlies. The state has by and large replaced "civil society" in providing such aid. There is no moral nor economic imperative as to why it should do so, anyway.

[yidnenda]

@stefbot end all government while you're at it.

[lordmetroid]

@stefbot Lets end the welfare for the elites first.

[MetaReaLizard]

@lordmetroid Absolutely let us stop supporting a system that supports disparity in opportunity and prosperity. Imperialism is capitalism grasping frantically to find something to cling to. Unite you have nothing to lose but your chains.

[1983Bantam]

@labartic You clearly have no clue what Stefan was saying.

[USBankruptcy]

@labartic Listen more and speak less.

[labartic]

@USBankruptcy eat shit, then repeat

[sharperguy]

@labartic You've clearly been watching Pat Condell.

[vingedheart]

@labartic Nooo - we should give more money to the bankers!!! After all - they make the country so great!!! :)

[megagagnon1]

I'd like to see a serious study of that "330 died in police custody" fact. What's the problem? Is it thuggish police or something else?

[Equity213]

All this stuff may be true, and I believe it is, but this an abdecation of personal responsibility. I never had a strong male role model in my life, but I would never go loot a store or commit acts of senseless violence.

This may explain things in a broad sense, but it doesnt excuse any individual.

[Sobanski87]

Bravo for explaining the demographics, only by going into all aspects can we better comprehend the situation, cultural marxism has helped lead to this mess, the media in the UK tries to put as many white faces on the news when it is majority black gangs inspired by MTV, GTA video games etc who are lacking father figures. Whether it's Paris, London or LA, we need to tackle the issues which create what are basically black riots. Having dad at home and MTV off would make a big difference.

[fuckoverload]

How is this extra 100 pounds per week claim being calculated?

[Wh47n0w1517]

@fuckoverload

It does not calculate, crap never calculates.

[erelpc]

@JBandKG Last to get laid.

[solokeith5000]

@erelpc luls